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Buddy, can you spare some change?
Author: velveeta jones    Date: 01/06/2008 14:36:29

What you leave behind is not what is engraved in stone monuments, but what is woven into the lives of others. Pericles (495-429 BC)

Be the change you want to see in the world. Gandhi (1869-1948)

Every time I find the meaning of life, they change it. (Unknown)

It was a double-header debate held in New Hampshire last night. And the secret word, in case you missed it was: CHANGE. Seems to be the buzz word of the day thanks to the decisive Barack Obama win in Iowa. First at bat, the republicans, I missed the first half-hour of them due to birthday celebrations with my wife, but I rather doubt I missed much.

Here is Velveeta’s report:
Boy, is Mitt Romney disliked! Even though he is not the leader (currently) the girls had their claws out on him. Mike Huckabee even got in a 2-circle-snap comeback to Mitt regarding his constant flip-flopping.
“I also supported the troop surge," Romney said, "Don't try to mischaracterize my position."
"Which one?" Huckabee shot back

Even John McCain jumped into the fray with a not-so veiled barb at Mitt, “I just want to say to Gov. Romney, we disagree on a lot of issues, but I agree you are the candidate of change," (Good one John).


The debate was moderated by Charles (or is it Charlie) Gibson of ABC, who inexplicably had his obedience collar removed and actually asked some real questions, complete with legitimate follow-ups and even some challenges, so if nothing else, I was impressed by that.

What did we learn about the repubs? Not much. Just when you think that Ron Paul makes sense, he’ll start hyperventilating and his voice will rise 2 octaves, then you remember what a loon he is. As for Ghouliani, all I can say is it’s a damn good thing that I no longer drink, I would have ended the night in an alcoholic coma while playing the “Ronald Reagan/911” drinking game. Rudy could not STOP saying Ronald Reagan, Ronald Reagan, Ronald Reagan………At times I thought he’d gone into some sort of epileptic repetitive seizure. Of course, Mike Huckabee wants to remind us that he is a man of God, and so name-dropped “Our Creator” as often as possible. He also wanted us to remember that every man on earth is equal to every other man (I assume he meant actual men, with manly genitalia, who like to hunt wild game and dominate women). Hmm, I wonder if he really means it? Osama Bin Ladin would be equal to the great and all powerful Ronald Reagan - were he still alive? An illegal alien who sells drugs is equal to, and just as important as Chuck Norris?

What can I say about Fred Thompson………..there were times when he was awake, but these were not his best moments. At one point, he was asked about Health care and what he said was……….truthfully, I am not sure exactly what he said. I could tell by the look on his face that he was struggling - I’ve seen that look before, having worked on the stage for so many years - he was desperately wanting to yell, “LINE”.

After a made for the camera hugging event of both parties, the dems took the stage. All of them, except for Kucinich and Gravel of course.

Ah, the dems who are “soft on the Global war on Terror”. The men and women who rarely, if ever, use the term Islamic Jihadists (who want to do us harm). ™ First up, the standard fear based question: what will you do on the day after a terrorist sets of a nuclear bomb in an American city? Hey, why didn’t the rethugs get this one? It’s a valid question.

After a rather lackluster start, the fireworks went off when Charles asked Hillary to name what it is that she thinks Obama has not given answers about and he needs to be vetted on, something she has been targeting him on. She spoke about her “35 years of experience and all the good work she has done for children and soldiers………“ (yawn). At which point both Barack and John ganged up on Hillary, pointing out that they were (A) both representing the CHANGE of direction that the people of this country yearn for, and (Bee) that is why they came out first and second, while she came out, ahem, third in Iowa! Hillary’s plan backfired, and she began to sound like a wounded shrew.

Best comments of the Dem side of the debate was by Barack when asked to respond to a question about him given to the Republicans : “Well, I must admit I was watching football (during their debate), the Redskins lost.”
And by Richardson when he said “…..Al Gore was right (about global warming), he deserved the Nobel Prize, and I’m glad he’s not running…….”

Ultimately, this ended up being the very best debate, imo. For a long while the 4 of them spoke back and forth, agreeing and disagreeing on how to help our country. Most of this discussion centered around lobbyists and whether a President can take money from the lobbyists and still represent the concerns of the people. This was an interesting dialogue where the candidates seemed to agree and were quite respectful . Of course they still had to get their few differences across, but during this they spoke about themselves without dissing their opponents. It was a refreshing and hopeful moment.

Ultimately, I believe the winner of this debate was Bill Richardson. He remained calm and focused, and his experience came out clear and strong. I give him the winner award of a block of this fine aged Gouda cheese (hmmmm, cheese).


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Comment by BobR on 01/06/2008 15:16:05
Great blog, velveeta. I agree with everything except the conclusion. I thought Richardson came off as disorganized and fumbly. He had a hard time making a coherent argument about anything, and in general, seemed uncomfortable the whole time. We were speculating as to whether he had a gas problem: :fart:



Hillary came off as personable, which for her is an improvement.



Edwards and Obama came off as confident and inspiring. I thought Edwards did a good job of bending every question to his message - perhaps too good. It could be seen by some as manipulative and/or dishonest.



I also noticed that for the question "what do you regret saying in a past debate", only Richardson and Edwards actually answered the question. Obama and Clinton danced around it.



So for the Dems, I would say Edwards and Obama both were "winners", and Clinton and Richardson were the "losers", but it was only by small degrees.

Comment by livingonli on 01/06/2008 15:44:17
And for our friend Fred Thompson: {Fred_Gump}

Comment by starling310 on 01/06/2008 16:07:26
Block of aged gouda!



Comment by livingonli on 01/06/2008 16:55:32
Raine, will you be watching the Giants game at 1?

Comment by Mondobubba on 01/06/2008 17:34:31
Greetings from the sick bunker. I am safely ensconced in my comfy bed with many pillows blogging away. You know when you get up take a shower, get a bagel on the way to work and you get totally knackered by that, you turn around and go home.

Comment by Mondobubba on 01/06/2008 17:37:06
Edwards and Obama came off as confident and inspiring. I thought Edwards did a good job of bending every question to his message - perhaps too good. It could be seen by some as manipulative and/or dishonest.



That is the sign of good trial lawyer, Bobber. I agree it could be seen as being a lil too slick. But we all know that Edwards is a big phony, right?



Comment by velveeta jones on 01/06/2008 17:43:26
Well BobR, as BillO is so fond of saying, "I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree".



While I admit that Bill came off stumbly at the start, I thought that he did a very good job at explaining his differences and his experience working with foreign leaders and education particularly. I heard the same speech from Edwards and Obama that I heard the other day - and continue to hear daily via TV commercials: "my father, the mill, my grandmother, hard struggle, Natalie, liver, insurance, mill, grandmother, etc". Very inspiring stuff, until you've heard it for the umpteenth time!



Hillary, on the other hand, I find I dislike more and more.

Comment by livingonli on 01/06/2008 18:26:43
The one thing Shillary and Ghouiliani seem to have in common is that the more you know about them the less you like them.

Comment by velveeta jones on 01/06/2008 20:27:39
Quote by livingonli: Raine, will you be watching the Giants game at 1?


Oh yeah, I forgot to mention football (yawn). Isn't today Super Bowl day? End of football? Is it, is it, is it?

Comment by livingonli on 01/06/2008 21:23:08
Quote by velveeta jones:
Quote by livingonli: Raine, will you be watching the Giants game at 1?


Oh yeah, I forgot to mention football (yawn). Isn't today Super Bowl day? End of football? Is it, is it, is it?


Super Bowl's almost a month away. But the playoffs started.



Giants won. Now I just have to hope they can crush Dallas next week.

Comment by livingonli on 01/06/2008 21:30:03
Now that I am at work, I am watching the Sabres lose to the Thrashers and the game wasn't even televised in the ATL.

Comment by TriSec on 01/07/2008 02:22:28
Evening, folks.



What, I have to be a Giants fan next week, too?



(to paraphrase Red Sox Nation...my two favorite teams are {fill in the blank} and whoever is playing the Cowboys...)



A lovely day was had by all with the Three Kings, and politics was wisely far from the table today.