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Breaking up is hard to do
Author: Raine    Date: 01/31/2008 13:23:40

I am single again. I won't tell you the sad story of how it happened because I myself am still not sure. I have my suspicions, but now is not the time or the place.

As John Edwards suspended his campaign yesterday, I immediately felt a real shift in the political landscape. (ok, it actually felt like someone punched me in the gut. The last time I remember feeling like that was the very last broadcast of *UnFiltered*) I suspect all of us who felt passionately about a candidate have felt this so far, unless you felt that way about our 2 remaining candidates that is.

That means you still have a date to the prom.
I don't. :(

And the MSM pundits felt the shift too. The question of the night was who will Edwards endorse? Where will his supporters go?

Suddenly last night I felt like a prize to be taken instead of earned. There were reasons why I supported John Edwards, it was not just because his speeches inspired me. It wasn't because he was something perceived as different. It wasn't the work he did for the poor and underserved. I supported John Edwards because he supported the causes that I truly care about in this country, and he made them the centerpieces of his campaign. He talked substance. He gave answers and he did not waiver in his convictions.

Now, it's over. And I am being told that Edwards supporters can tilt this election. I have a question for both campaigns... if you want my and other Edwards supporters, what can you do for me, For us? For progressives, for those who want universal healthcare? What will you do for our teachers who need NCLB radically changed? How about the environmentalists who don't want more nukes or more promises of clean coal? For us who really believe that global warming is a critical issue? For us that believe that when you get people out of poverty, you lift your nation up? What will you do for the children and grandchildren of this nation? What about restoring the constitution? Closing Gitmo? Stopping signing statements? How about absolving illegal executive orders? What about giving our children incentives to attend college? And mostly - what will you do to help remove poverty and restore the middle class?

Both Hillary and Barack have promised to make the issue of Poverty more prominent in their campaign. I must say I am skeptical. No one really talked about poverty in this campaign until John Edwards. Change was the first thing Edwards spoke of... now everyone seems to. That is a great thing. it drove the debate to the place that Americans want and NEED it to be.

So the question is there for me, why should I support anyone in the primary? One of these two people will be the nominee. The don't need my money. They have never asked for my support. Their messages and platforms are not what I wanted from a president. How can I support what does not inspire me? This is the primary season right? Don't I still get to have a voice, or will I be told who I must vote for?

I never told Kucinch supporters that their vote didn't count, nor anyone else. No one likes to be told that. I would not want that done to me. I wanted people to feel as tho my candidate earned that thing that is so precious to me as an American, a vote cast.

Tonite will be the first debate without John. It will be interesting to see if they will indeed heed his request. It will be interesting to see how they act with the grownup out of the room.

I can't believe I am single again. I guess for now I will play the field and see what happens. I don't want to date again. I like having a relationship. But for now, I am. Please don't tell me that there is not time for that. The best way to win my vote is to show me that you are my friend. WE will see what happens from their.

Oh, and I'll vote on Tuesday, you bet. I will still vote for John Edwards.

The question remains, who will earn my support come November? Hillary and Barack have some very large shoes to fill. Wherever my dance card goes, it will have to be earned, because I have some damn nice shoes too.

I will see you inside.

:peace: and as always,
Raine

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Comment by Grumpymann on 01/31/2008 13:54:43
You still have me.

My first choice is Dennis.

Second is Edwards.

Still not sure who speaks for me now.

But I know that anyone with an R after their name will never speak for me.

I'm with you!

Comment by m-hadley on 01/31/2008 13:57:56
Damn Raine,

Your post made me cry this morning - I guess I didn't realize how sleep deprived and discouraged I'd become until yesterday afternoon. I did stop by INDN's List yesterday and tried to learn how to manage their new contributors' database, but my eyes were glazing over, and I'm afraid I might have to go in again and get a refresher course. I just couldn't bring myself to watch the rethuglitards debate last night, each one claiming to be more conservative than the other. I did manage to post a rather feeble entry on my blog last night addressing my latest outrage - dumbya most recent (and may I add UNCONSTITUTIONAL) signing statement, but it doesn't do much more than reproduce an article that I read in the Boston Globe. Although I did include a few links to the law itself and the signing statement. I suppose tonight I'll tune into the Dem debate, but my heart is heavy too. Sometimes the political game is just too ugly for me

Comment by Raine on 01/31/2008 14:00:29
:hug: thanks guys.



I felt last night, so emotionally hungover, and yes, very tired. Today is a new day, and we must keep on keeping on.

Comment by Raine on 01/31/2008 14:02:55
I will never votefor an ® either Grump. I don't say never very oft, becuase that is a really long time, but this is one of those exceptions.







Comment by Raine on 01/31/2008 14:07:17
I did not go to the Jefferson JAckson rally last nite, and it turns out Obama did not either. I expected Edwards to not be there, of course.



So it seems it was quite a campaign stump for Hillary.





Comment by Raine on 01/31/2008 14:07:38
Laura Flanders on the hotline today!

Comment by Raine on 01/31/2008 14:08:43
:rofl:



she did not mention the hair!!!

Comment by Raine on 01/31/2008 14:10:03
When Rudy was giving his speech tossing his endorsement to McCain, I swear I saw McCain checking out Rudy's ass.

Comment by Raine on 01/31/2008 14:20:10




CAller getting a participation ribbon!
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y59/raine1967/ribbon-1.jpg


Comment by TriSec on 01/31/2008 14:23:19
Just heard on TRMS from a caller...



"Obama is the last democrat in the race. Hillary is the best Republican running..."



:kick:





Comment by velveeta jones on 01/31/2008 14:28:12
Morning all.

Raine - I am just as sad. I awoke this morning feeling like something was really wrong........... then I remembered. :cry:



Oh, among the many other reasons to NOT vote for McCain:

On his campaign bus recently, Sen. John McCain told reporters, "I hated the gooks. I will hate them as long as I live."




Stunning thing for a PRESIDENTAL Candidate to say (outloud anyway).

Comment by velveeta jones on 01/31/2008 14:33:22
I am having T-Shirts made:



It must be an Election year --- Like a recurring zit, Nadar is BACK -- and will once again spew pus on our party"



or something along those lines.





Comment by Raine on 01/31/2008 14:35:08
Quote by velveeta jones: Morning all.

Raine - I am just as sad. I awoke this morning feeling like something was really wrong........... then I remembered. :cry:



Oh, among the many other reasons to NOT vote for McCain:

On his campaign bus recently, Sen. John McCain told reporters, "I hated the gooks. I will hate them as long as I live."




Stunning thing for a PRESIDENTAL Candidate to say (outloud anyway).
He has used that phrase a few time, if I recall correctly!





LIV!! WAKE UP! it's Laura Flanders!!!



Comment by Raine on 01/31/2008 14:36:20
Thank you Laura, for including John! :swoon: I loves me some Laura Flanders.

Comment by Raine on 01/31/2008 14:37:15
Hmmm. maybe I will dedicate my time to mobilzing voters instead of a particular candidate for now...







Comment by starling310 on 01/31/2008 14:40:58


Comment by Raine on 01/31/2008 14:43:00
Quote by starling310:


:hug:

Comment by m-hadley on 01/31/2008 14:43:44
Quote by Raine: Thank you Laura, for including John! :swoon: I loves me some Laura Flanders.


I had the distinct pleasure of meeting and sitting with Laura Flanders during a book signing at Prez on the Rez and she is as delightful, intelligent and wonderful as she sounds.

Comment by starling310 on 01/31/2008 14:43:46
Quote by Raine:
Quote by starling310:


:hug:




:hug:



I'm glad we got that done.

Comment by livingonli on 01/31/2008 14:46:12
Good morning everyone.



A lot of us are single here now, aren't we?



I was listening to Laura as I staggered out of bed. I didn't get home until after 2 AM last night. There was a beaut of a train wreck last night because of the problems we had with the Knicks feed which didn't help when the Utah Jazz pulled a cable and knocked us off the air during the last minute of the game.

Comment by livingonli on 01/31/2008 14:47:00
Quote by m-hadley:
Quote by Raine: Thank you Laura, for including John! :swoon: I loves me some Laura Flanders.


I had the distinct pleasure of meeting and sitting with Laura Flanders during a book signing at Prez on the Rez and she is as delightful, intelligent and wonderful as she sounds.


I met her in Washington DC back in September 2005.

Comment by wickedpam on 01/31/2008 14:51:09
Morning :hug:







Comment by velveeta jones on 01/31/2008 14:51:23
See, that's another letter................Fox, Billo. Asshat.

Comment by Raine on 01/31/2008 14:52:10
I want to say something... As I mentioned in my blog, the last time I felt this was was after Unfiltered ended it's brilliant radio run.



I mourned but in return I got so many more things back in return. I am now living with a man I love, who I met becuase of that show, I met TriSec, we had the famous T-shirt tour, I met mala and liv and griump and many others directly from that time... since then I came to know and love the Stephanie Miller Show and :ph34r:, and thru the show, I laugh every morning with new friends as well.



Things do get better. I wold never trade that for the world.



So now we have to keep on the good work, faith is believing in something that you may never see, but believing in it nonetheless.







>>>now, back to our regularly scheduled fart jokes...

Comment by livingonli on 01/31/2008 14:52:16
Good morning Mala. Read the post below for the fun I had last night.

Comment by wickedpam on 01/31/2008 14:54:20
well if the kid can't make her arguement then she deserves an F just like anyother kid who couldn't.

Comment by Grumpymann on 01/31/2008 14:55:17
Hello

Comment by wickedpam on 01/31/2008 14:55:28
Quote by livingonli: Good morning Mala. Read the post below for the fun I had last night.






Eek! Isn't it fun when stuff like that happens.

Comment by Grumpymann on 01/31/2008 14:55:46
Having router problems

Comment by Raine on 01/31/2008 14:56:18
:rage: F*cking Dick.

Comment by wickedpam on 01/31/2008 14:56:55
Quote by Raine: I want to say something... As I mentioned in my blog, the last time I felt this was was after Unfiltered ended it's brilliant radio run.



I mourned but in return I got so many more things back in return. I am now living with a man I love, who I met becuase of that show, I met TriSec, we had the famous T-shirt tour, I met mala and liv and griump and many others directly from that time... since then I came to know and love the Stephanie Miller Show and :ph34r:, and thru the show, I laugh every morning with new friends as well.



Things do get better. I wold never trade that for the world.



So now we have to keep on the good work, faith is believing in something that you may never see, but believing in it nonetheless.







>>>now, back to our regularly scheduled fart jokes...






GROUP :hug:!



Comment by velveeta jones on 01/31/2008 14:56:59
Yikes...........

I feel dumber just hearing this RWW segment.

Comment by livingonli on 01/31/2008 14:57:03
Dick Morris had won worst person in the world last night for that comment.





Comment by Raine on 01/31/2008 14:57:10
Quote by Grumpymann: Having router problems


looks like things are ok now.

Comment by wickedpam on 01/31/2008 14:58:10
Quote by Grumpymann: Hello






Hey Grump - did you see my answer yesterday to your question about the avi? If not I said I would be honored if you used one.

Comment by livingonli on 01/31/2008 14:59:56
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Raine: I want to say something... As I mentioned in my blog, the last time I felt this was was after Unfiltered ended it's brilliant radio run.



I mourned but in return I got so many more things back in return. I am now living with a man I love, who I met becuase of that show, I met TriSec, we had the famous T-shirt tour, I met mala and liv and griump and many others directly from that time... since then I came to know and love the Stephanie Miller Show and :ph34r:, and thru the show, I laugh every morning with new friends as well.



Things do get better. I wold never trade that for the world.



So now we have to keep on the good work, faith is believing in something that you may never see, but believing in it nonetheless.







>>>now, back to our regularly scheduled fart jokes...






GROUP :hug:!



Hugs are always good. :)



Good morning Grump.

Comment by velveeta jones on 01/31/2008 15:00:00
Off to go turn in some job applications and grocery shopping. (Need more coffee and cheese).



Have a good day ya'll.

Comment by Grumpymann on 01/31/2008 15:00:08
Quote by Raine: I want to say something... As I mentioned in my blog, the last time I felt this was was after Unfiltered ended it's brilliant radio run.



I mourned but in return I got so many more things back in return. I am now living with a man I love, who I met becuase of that show, I met TriSec, we had the famous T-shirt tour, I met mala and liv and griump and many others directly from that time... since then I came to know and love the Stephanie Miller Show and :ph34r:, and thru the show, I laugh every morning with new friends as well.



Things do get better. I wold never trade that for the world.



So now we have to keep on the good work, faith is believing in something that you may never see, but believing in it nonetheless.







>>>now, back to our regularly scheduled fart jokes...






As I stated before AAP and the friends I met there saved my sanity.

I was starting to think I was going crazy with all the RightWingNutJobs doing all the talking.



You all have no idea how much you mean to me.

Nor how much I apreachate the place and the space to speak my mind.



Comment by livingonli on 01/31/2008 15:01:59
Have a good one VJ. Good luck out there (with the job stuff).

Comment by Grumpymann on 01/31/2008 15:05:46
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Grumpymann: Hello






Hey Grump - did you see my answer yesterday to your question about the avi? If not I said I would be honored if you used one.


Thanks WP!



Hello Liv.



And my router is FUCKED!



It keeps droping the signal on my laptop (I'm sending the vid signal through the TV. One of the many BIG ticket items that Ms. Grump bought that I gave her shit for that I now give her a big for now). But the signal doesn't last more than a few minuets before it drops and I have to restart the router again.



I have returned it twice and it works for a little while and then goes to shit again.

I'm getting sick of this and I'm about to go get a commercial router.

Comment by TriSec on 01/31/2008 15:06:16
Quote by Raine: Hmmm. maybe I will dedicate my time to mobilzing voters instead of a particular candidate for now...





Raine, can you get on your local elections board? You know, with the old ladies that sit around the polling places and drink coffee?



But you'd be on the front lines and can see firsthand any shenanigans going on with the machines...





Comment by Raine on 01/31/2008 15:08:51
OK, I need some help here as I do my research... As you may know, Ted Kennedy who I generally support was behind the writing of the NCLB bill, which I despise.



I have read that Barack has said in the past that should not be reauthorized but also that it should be substantially reformed, with increased funding.



Where does he stand on this?



And does anyone know where hillary stands, by any chance? I have heard that she would nnot end it, but rahter overhaul it. I am nervous about this very important issue.

Comment by TriSec on 01/31/2008 15:10:00
Aww now, without Unfiltered, AAP, and now our humble little corner of the internets...



I probably would have murdered my wingnuts-in-law long ago.





Comment by Raine on 01/31/2008 15:10:52
Quote by TriSec:
Quote by Raine: Hmmm. maybe I will dedicate my time to mobilzing voters instead of a particular candidate for now...

[



Raine, can you get on your local elections board? You know, with the old ladies that sit around the polling places and drink coffee?



But you'd be on the front lines and can see firsthand any shenanigans going on with the machines...



I did tell them I am available for volunteer work.



No one called me. I guess I should be a little more direct about that.



Comment by Grumpymann on 01/31/2008 15:11:13
Quote by TriSec: Aww now, without Unfiltered, AAP, and now our humble little corner of the internets...



I probably would have murdered my wingnuts-in-law long ago.





There is still time.



I know I know

Comment by livingonli on 01/31/2008 15:11:31
Thom Hartmann is the Crystal Meth and Uncut China White.

Comment by livingonli on 01/31/2008 15:14:11
Crank up the old Victrola for those classic recordings.

Comment by Raine on 01/31/2008 15:14:16
Quote by Grumpymann:
Quote by TriSec: Aww now, without Unfiltered, AAP, and now our humble little corner of the internets...



I probably would have murdered my wingnuts-in-law long ago.





There is still time.



I know I know
:rofl:



Comment by Grumpymann on 01/31/2008 15:14:42
I admit that I do not like Hillary as a Pol.

But that is because she is a Corp rate shill in part but she would be better than ANY Rethug.



I KNOW why I would not WANT to vote for her.



Do THEY?

Comment by Raine on 01/31/2008 15:15:38
I am a little embarrassed by the NY chapter of NOW.



A lot embarrassed actually. Shame on them for this.

Comment by livingonli on 01/31/2008 15:17:16
At least mAnn Coulter has a vagina (as far as we know).

Comment by Raine on 01/31/2008 15:17:20
Ralph needs to sit down and stop thinking that he needs to save us. I still think that he has played a tremdous part to the damage in this country in 2000, and 2004.







Comment by Grumpymann on 01/31/2008 15:18:21
mAnn

Comment by Raine on 01/31/2008 15:18:38
Poor







Comment by livingonli on 01/31/2008 15:19:31
Now I'm in the mood for donuts.

Comment by Raine on 01/31/2008 15:21:43
your so vain!!!







Comment by BobR on 01/31/2008 15:24:15
morning folks.... <-- crappy work coffee because I forgot to bring some from home

Comment by livingonli on 01/31/2008 15:25:28
Morning BobR.

Comment by Raine on 01/31/2008 15:26:34
Quote by Grumpymann: I admit that I do not like Hillary as a Pol.

But that is because she is a Corp rate shill in part but she would be better than ANY Rethug.



I KNOW why I would not WANT to vote for her.



Do THEY?
This is the real question I ask of people when they say they support someone. I think it is critical that we have a well informed electorate.



VERY critical. Where a candidate stands, and what they have done in the past means something to me. Charisma is wonderful, but hell... A lot of people thought that George Bush had charisma as well.



Same with Raygun.



Bad people can be very charismatic too. IT is our job as responsible americana to inform ourselves where a candidate stands on things. We cannot rely on the media to tell us. it is our responsibility.





Comment by Raine on 01/31/2008 15:28:43
OH! Sanchez!!! you wasted good wine on people who aren't even worthy of Champale!

Comment by livingonli on 01/31/2008 15:30:53
Quote by Raine: OH! Sanchez!!! you wasted good wine on people who aren't even worthy of Champale!


Maybe he should have used Ripple or American beer.

Comment by wickedpam on 01/31/2008 15:31:20
Quote by livingonli: Now I'm in the mood for donuts.




Me too I'd kill for a Dunkin Donuts chocolate cream filled, but I ate a granola bar instead, it doesn't have the satisfaction but it was sweet enough.



Comment by Grumpymann on 01/31/2008 15:32:01
Quote by Raine: OH! Sanchez!!! you wasted good wine on people who aren't even worthy of Champale!




Comment by wickedpam on 01/31/2008 15:33:01
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Grumpymann: I admit that I do not like Hillary as a Pol.

But that is because she is a Corp rate shill in part but she would be better than ANY Rethug.



I KNOW why I would not WANT to vote for her.



Do THEY?
This is the real question I ask of people when they say they support someone. I think it is critical that we have a well informed electorate.



VERY critical. Where a candidate stands, and what they have done in the past means something to me. Charisma is wonderful, but hell... A lot of people thought that George Bush had charisma as well.



Same with Raygun.



Bad people can be very charismatic too. IT is our job as responsible americana to inform ourselves where a candidate stands on things. We cannot rely on the media to tell us. it is our responsibility.









Manson oozed charisma.



Comment by wickedpam on 01/31/2008 15:34:32
Princess Bride! :clap:

Comment by Raine on 01/31/2008 15:35:13
Yeah, he did Mala. Charisma is not alwasy a bad thing, Bill oozed it, RFK oozed it, JFK, MLK...



The thing is charisma is not enough for me anymore. IT will get my attention, you bet... but, hey.. I am smarter than that now.







Comment by Grumpymann on 01/31/2008 15:35:16
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Grumpymann: I admit that I do not like Hillary as a Pol.

But that is because she is a Corp rate shill in part but she would be better than ANY Rethug.



I KNOW why I would not WANT to vote for her.



Do THEY?
This is the real question I ask of people when they say they support someone. I think it is critical that we have a well informed electorate.



VERY critical. Where a candidate stands, and what they have done in the past means something to me. Charisma is wonderful, but hell... A lot of people thought that George Bush had charisma as well.



Same with Raygun.



Bad people can be very charismatic too. IT is our job as responsible americana to inform ourselves where a candidate stands on things. We cannot rely on the media to tell us. it is our responsibility.









Manson oozed charisma.

So do !



That is why I ware rubber underware!



Comment by BobR on 01/31/2008 15:35:57
Ron Paul Retard on the line.....

Comment by Grumpymann on 01/31/2008 15:36:03
Ron Paul is a raciest!

And a Rethug.

Comment by livingonli on 01/31/2008 15:37:13
Quote by Raine: Yeah, he did Mala. Charisma is not alwasy a bad thing, Bill oozed it, RFK oozed it, JFK, MLK...



The thing is charisma is not enough for me anymore. IT will get my attention, you bet... but, hey.. I am smarter than that now.







Good for you. It's always good to probe deeper.

Comment by wickedpam on 01/31/2008 15:37:42
Quote by Raine: Yeah, he did Mala. Charisma is not alwasy a bad thing, Bill oozed it, RFK oozed it, JFK, MLK...



The thing is charisma is not enough for me anymore. IT will get my attention, you bet... but, hey.. I am smarter than that now.









True but those people had something to back up the charisma.



Comment by livingonli on 01/31/2008 15:38:15
Quote by BobR: Ron Paul Retard on the line.....


There's a special kind of kool-aid for Ron Paul Supporters.

Comment by Raine on 01/31/2008 15:41:57
OMG!!! Grump... you said Rubber underwear!!!

Comment by Grumpymann on 01/31/2008 15:42:30
Mcain is not only thin skinned but he's also a little child like ChimpyMcBush

Comment by Raine on 01/31/2008 15:42:52
In case anyone cares, Mitt is polling ahead of Romney in the polls here in Georgia... :xfingers:

Comment by Grumpymann on 01/31/2008 15:44:00
Quote by Raine: OMG!!! Grump... you said Rubber underwear!!!




I know ....

Comment by wickedpam on 01/31/2008 15:45:03
Quote by Grumpymann: Mcain is not only thin skinned but he's also a little child like ChimpyMcBush




I heard the best word to describe him this morning. Someone on local radio called McCain snide and I thought that's the perfect word for him.



Comment by Grumpymann on 01/31/2008 15:45:07
Quote by Raine: In case anyone cares, Mitt is polling ahead of Romney in the polls here in Georgia... :xfingers:


My GOD those Rethugs are good.

He's ahead of himself!

Comment by Raine on 01/31/2008 15:45:09
Yes, I get dirty so you don't have to...



EXCLUSIVE: NANCY REAGAN FOR MCCAIN, TOP SOURCE TELLS DRUDGE: 'SHE ADORES HIM, AND IS FULLY SUPPORTING HIM IN HER PRIVATE LIFE. SHE WILL NOT PUBLICLY ENDORSE'...


Developing...

Comment by livingonli on 01/31/2008 15:45:12
Quote by Raine: In case anyone cares, Mitt is polling ahead of Romney in the polls here in Georgia... :xfingers:


He's pulling ahead of himself?

Comment by shelaghc on 01/31/2008 15:48:04
Wow - the wait for callers is now over half an hour.

I called to tell Stephanie that Viggo Mortensen is a road kill eater and wanted to tell the story but the screener said she'd just pass on the info instead of letting me tell Steph myself.



:(

Comment by Raine on 01/31/2008 15:48:58
Quote by velveeta jones: Morning all.

Raine - I am just as sad. I awoke this morning feeling like something was really wrong........... then I remembered. :cry:



Oh, among the many other reasons to NOT vote for McCain:

On his campaign bus recently, Sen. John McCain told reporters, "I hated the gooks. I will hate them as long as I live."




Stunning thing for a PRESIDENTAL Candidate to say (outloud anyway).






This is from 2000.

Comment by livingonli on 01/31/2008 15:52:05
Quote by shelaghc: Wow - the wait for callers is now over half an hour.

I called to tell Stephanie that Viggo Mortensen is a road kill eater and wanted to tell the story but the screener said she'd just pass on the info instead of letting me tell Steph myself.



:(


Everyone wants to get on Momma.



I know that just sounds wrong.

Comment by Raine on 01/31/2008 15:52:50
With John out of the race, I think it should be expected that this democratic Race will now become MUCH more divided.



There are 2 people in the race now... what did anyone expect? you have to pick now, and people are going to get even more planted firmly in thier camps.



:( HAving a serious I miss John moment.

Comment by Grumpymann on 01/31/2008 15:54:38
Quote by shelaghc: Wow - the wait for callers is now over half an hour.

I called to tell Stephanie that Viggo Mortensen is a road kill eater and wanted to tell the story but the screener said she'd just pass on the info instead of letting me tell Steph myself.



:(


I'm afraid .....

Comment by wickedpam on 01/31/2008 15:55:35
Granted I don't like game meat but I don't see the problem with eating road kill so long as it's fresh and not been left out there to be hit time and again. Are my rural roots showing?

Comment by Grumpymann on 01/31/2008 15:55:37
Quote by Raine: With John out of the race, I think it should be expected that this democratic Race will now become MUCH more divided.



There are 2 people in the race now... what did anyone expect? you have to pick now, and people are going to get even more planted firmly in thier camps.



:( HAving a serious I miss John moment.


I feel the same about Dennis.

Comment by Raine on 01/31/2008 15:55:43
Quote by livingonli:
Quote by Raine: In case anyone cares, Mitt is polling ahead of Romney in the polls here in Georgia... :xfingers:


He's pulling ahead of himself?
ooOOOPsie!!! I meant to say... Mitt is olling ahead of McCain.



I suspect tho that Mitt is, at the very least pulling himself... .or maybe he is yanking... I dunno... :LOL:



Comment by Raine on 01/31/2008 15:58:24
I happen to know for a fact that in NY, if someone hits a deer on the road, the officers ask the accident victim if they want to take it home fro venicen.







Comment by Grumpymann on 01/31/2008 15:58:37
Quote by Raine:
Quote by livingonli:
Quote by Raine: In case anyone cares, Mitt is polling ahead of Romney in the polls here in Georgia... :xfingers:


He's pulling ahead of himself?
ooOOOPsie!!! I meant to say... Mitt is olling ahead of McCain.



I suspect tho that Mitt is, at the very least pulling himself... .or maybe he is yanking... I dunno... :LOL:



?

Comment by livingonli on 01/31/2008 16:00:08
But does squirrel taste like chicken?

Comment by TriSec on 01/31/2008 16:01:24
Quote by wickedpam: Granted I don't like game meat but I don't see the problem with eating road kill so long as it's fresh and not been left out there to be hit time and again. Are my rural roots showing?




Most of the states up this way, including our fair urban Commonwealth, will allow you to keep an animal you have personally road-killed yourself.



I know Western areas of the state and Southern NH have a 'waiting list' with the local police, just in case some city folk run down something and get squeamish about taking it home; plenty of locals will step up.



Gee, I'm going to have to learn how to dress a deer if I move upcountry, aren't I?



Comment by shelaghc on 01/31/2008 16:01:49
Quote by Grumpymann:
Quote by shelaghc: Wow - the wait for callers is now over half an hour.

I called to tell Stephanie that Viggo Mortensen is a road kill eater and wanted to tell the story but the screener said she'd just pass on the info instead of letting me tell Steph myself.



:(


I'm afraid .....




He talked about it in a magazine interview. He ran over a rabbit with his car, took it home, cooked it up and ate it. They never asked more about it, but I got the feeling it was about the idea of eating it rather than letting the death be for nothing.





Comment by wickedpam on 01/31/2008 16:01:56
Quote by Raine: I happen to know for a fact that in NY, if someone hits a deer on the road, the officers ask the accident victim if they want to take it home fro venicen.









THey do that in VA and WV too. It keeps the road clear if they that it and feeds people. Win win if you ask me.



Comment by livingonli on 01/31/2008 16:03:18
Quote by TriSec:
Quote by wickedpam: Granted I don't like game meat but I don't see the problem with eating road kill so long as it's fresh and not been left out there to be hit time and again. Are my rural roots showing?




Most of the states up this way, including our fair urban Commonwealth, will allow you to keep an animal you have personally road-killed yourself.



I know Western areas of the state and Southern NH have a 'waiting list' with the local police, just in case some city folk run down something and get squeamish about taking it home; plenty of locals will step up.



Gee, I'm going to have to learn how to dress a deer if I move upcountry, aren't I?



Or at least how to make squirrels in a popcorn popper. :P



I know. I know.

Comment by wickedpam on 01/31/2008 16:03:32
Quote by livingonli: But does squirrel taste like chicken?






Doesn't everything?

Comment by BobR on 01/31/2008 16:04:48
Since the Repubs keep trying to ressurect the ghost of Reagan, I thought I would repost this as a reminder to show what flip-flopping and opportunistic party alignment looks like...





Comment by Grumpymann on 01/31/2008 16:05:51
Quote by shelaghc:
Quote by Grumpymann:
Quote by shelaghc: Wow - the wait for callers is now over half an hour.

I called to tell Stephanie that Viggo Mortensen is a road kill eater and wanted to tell the story but the screener said she'd just pass on the info instead of letting me tell Steph myself.



:(


I'm afraid .....




He talked about it in a magazine interview. He ran over a rabbit with his car, took it home, cooked it up and ate it. They never asked more about it, but I got the feeling it was about the idea of eating it rather than letting the death be for nothing.





Oh.

Well if he killed himself.



I guess my urban roots are showing.

When I hear roadkill I think of the animals you see on the side of the road that is bloated and filled with flies.

Comment by BobR on 01/31/2008 16:05:51
Quote by livingonli:

Or at least how to make squirrels in a popcorn popper. :P



I know. I know.


Popcorn squirrel - is that anything like popcorn shrimp?

Comment by Raine on 01/31/2008 16:06:15
THE AJC (Atlanta Journal Constitution, the ATL's local newspaper) has a daily feature called the *Vent* where people can email or call a small vent anonymously, in hopes that it is published. Most of the time I shake my head from reading stupid talking points of the RW.



Today I saw something I found very thought provoking...

As Far as the tax givebacks: If I was deeply in debt and started giving away money, wouldn't people think I was crazy?


Comment by Raine on 01/31/2008 16:09:21
Quote by TriSec:
Quote by wickedpam: Granted I don't like game meat but I don't see the problem with eating road kill so long as it's fresh and not been left out there to be hit time and again. Are my rural roots showing?




Most of the states up this way, including our fair urban Commonwealth, will allow you to keep an animal you have personally road-killed yourself.



I know Western areas of the state and Southern NH have a 'waiting list' with the local police, just in case some city folk run down something and get squeamish about taking it home; plenty of locals will step up.



Gee, I'm going to have to learn how to dress a deer if I move upcountry, aren't I?

I may be able to help you with that TRi. Sadly, I may.



Comment by Grumpymann on 01/31/2008 16:10:42
Quote by Raine: THE AJC (Atlanta Journal Constitution, the ATL's local newspaper) has a daily feature called the *Vent* where people can email or call a small vent anonymously, in hopes that it is published. Most of the time I shake my head from reading stupid talking points of the RW.



Today I saw something I found very thought provoking...

As Far as the tax givebacks: If I was deeply in debt and started giving away money, wouldn't people think I was crazy?


INCREASE taxes on BIG corporations GET RID OF ALL CORPORATE WELFARE. And treat ALL PEOPLE like humans (Those that are.) And this will all be well in this country.

Comment by wickedpam on 01/31/2008 16:12:47
The whole Brit thing is just gone beyond sad.

Comment by Raine on 01/31/2008 16:12:52
Quote by BobR: Since the Repubs keep trying to ressurect the ghost of Reagan, I thought I would repost this as a reminder to show what flip-flopping and opportunistic party alignment looks like...





I Think RayGun has shown them all what it is like to be uniquely Republican. So therefore, I think that Mitt Romney DOES deserve the ® nomination. :D



Comment by BobR on 01/31/2008 16:13:42
I might have to watch View From the Top again.



Notice who plays the TV interviewer?

Comment by Raine on 01/31/2008 16:15:25
Quote by Grumpymann:
Quote by Raine: THE AJC (Atlanta Journal Constitution, the ATL's local newspaper) has a daily feature called the *Vent* where people can email or call a small vent anonymously, in hopes that it is published. Most of the time I shake my head from reading stupid talking points of the RW.



Today I saw something I found very thought provoking...

As Far as the tax givebacks: If I was deeply in debt and started giving away money, wouldn't people think I was crazy?


INCREASE taxes on BIG corporations GET RID OF ALL CORPORATE WELFARE. And treat ALL PEOPLE like humans (Those that are.) And this will all be well in this country.
AMEN!!!!



Comment by Raine on 01/31/2008 16:16:19
Did Momma just say *double Bag*?

Comment by Grumpymann on 01/31/2008 16:16:45
Quote by wickedpam: The whole Brit thing is just gone beyond sad.


It is sad that she has to go though it all.

I'm sad as well that WE have to go though it too. This is a private thing and it should be kept that that way.

Comment by wickedpam on 01/31/2008 16:16:53
Quote by BobR: I might have to watch View From the Top again.



Notice who plays the TV interviewer?






I actually kinda like that movie, but I didn't remember the TV thing - gonna have to check it out again.



Comment by Raine on 01/31/2008 16:21:00
Quote by wickedpam: The whole Brit thing is just gone beyond sad.


It really has, I worry about her as a fellow human being. This just isn't funny any more. where is the help she truly needs?



I could not care less about her music. What I find disturbing is that we have someone who should be able to gt the help she needs and instead, she has become fodder for paparazzi, the tabloids and simply something to be thrown to the entertainment industtry. She seems like she does not even have the ability to simply say to everyone, "Leave me alone" Let me work this out"



it is very sad.

Comment by Grumpymann on 01/31/2008 16:25:26
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam: The whole Brit thing is just gone beyond sad.


It really has, I worry about her as a fellow human being. This just isn't funny any more. where is the help she truly needs?



I could not care less about her music. What I find disturbing is that we have someone who should be able to gt the help she needs and instead, she has become fodder for paparazzi, the tabloids and simply something to be thrown to the entertainment industtry. She seems like she does not even have the ability to simply say to everyone, "Leave me alone" Let me work this out"



it is very sad.


My God I can't believe that I'm engaging in a conversation about this.

BUT I think she needs to get to the place where she realizes that she is in trouble.

And that she needs help and PRIVACY.



Until she dose nothing short of being put in a rubber room for a few years will help.

Comment by Raine on 01/31/2008 16:26:00
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Grumpymann: Mcain is not only thin skinned but he's also a little child like ChimpyMcBush




I heard the best word to describe him this morning. Someone on local radio called McCain snide and I thought that's the perfect word for him.

The last candidate I said that about was the man we now call the pResident.



Comment by wickedpam on 01/31/2008 16:30:18
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Grumpymann: Mcain is not only thin skinned but he's also a little child like ChimpyMcBush




I heard the best word to describe him this morning. Someone on local radio called McCain snide and I thought that's the perfect word for him.

The last candidate I said that about was the man we now call the pResident.













Okay let's just change that descriptor then!





choose one or many of these



nasty, spiteful, unkind, malicious, unpleasant, spiteful or just creepy, mean old man

Comment by Raine on 01/31/2008 16:34:21
Quote by BobR: I might have to watch View From the Top again.



Notice who plays the TV interviewer?


A billion years later, and synapses connecting....

MOMMA!



(I feel like such a dork, now...)

Comment by Raine on 01/31/2008 16:35:14
Tim Robbins!!!

Comment by wickedpam on 01/31/2008 16:37:02
Tim with the funny

Comment by Raine on 01/31/2008 16:41:31
LEt me tell you something I thought last night about McCain... he calls all of his supporters... *MY FRIENDS*...



IT has been fairly well documented that McCain despises Romney, so last night , when I heard him call Mitt, "My Friend, It dawned on me, tha this man is compeltey disengenuos. Snide? maybe... I found it to be something I can't put a word to.



Willard/Mitt is NOT his friend. So, it bears a good question, what does that make all of the people that he still calls *My Friend*?











Comment by Raine on 01/31/2008 16:43:06
I have read that both Tim and Susan do not know where they will send thier support. I love Tim.







Comment by livingonli on 01/31/2008 16:44:17
There's the ticket: McCain-Bob Roberts.

Comment by wickedpam on 01/31/2008 16:44:49
Quote by Raine: LEt me tell you something I thought last night about McCain... he calls all of his supporters... *MY FRIENDS*...



IT has been fairly well documented that McCain despises Romney, so last night , when I heard him call Mitt, "My Friend, It dawned on me, tha this man is compeltey disengenuos. Snide? maybe... I found it to be something I can't put a word to.



Willard/Mitt is NOT his friend. So, it bears a good question, what does that make all of the people that he still calls *My Friend*?









He's the only man I know that can make "my friends" sound like FU.



Comment by livingonli on 01/31/2008 16:46:55
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Raine: LEt me tell you something I thought last night about McCain... he calls all of his supporters... *MY FRIENDS*...



IT has been fairly well documented that McCain despises Romney, so last night , when I heard him call Mitt, "My Friend, It dawned on me, tha this man is compeltey disengenuos. Snide? maybe... I found it to be something I can't put a word to.



Willard/Mitt is NOT his friend. So, it bears a good question, what does that make all of the people that he still calls *My Friend*?









He's the only man I know that can make "my friends" sound like FU.



And I thought Mike Gravel was going for the crotchety old man vote.

Comment by shelaghc on 01/31/2008 16:49:22
Tim and Susan were such strong supporters of Morning Sedition and Majority Report. I really miss them hanging out with Sam and the Marcks.



Comment by Raine on 01/31/2008 16:50:30
Take from this what you want.

As John Edwards bowed out of his second run for the presidency, questions swirled about his wife, Elizabeth. Her absence from the campaign trail in recent weeks had even her closest friends wondering about her well-being.



But Elizabeth Edwards just has a bad case of the sniffles, a friend said. "My husband and I went to South Carolina for the primary there," said Sally Plyler, a friend from Raleigh, N.C. "I called her before I went and after I came back. She said she just had a bad cold."



Ellan Maynard, another longtime friend, said Elizabeth Edwards had a recent checkup and said "it was all good."




I do not know what to take from this. I do know that she had previously taken a three week hiatus from the campaign. She was slated to return the day he suspended his campaign.



:(

Comment by Raine on 01/31/2008 16:52:41
I haven't lost a child...



Interesting comment.

Comment by Raine on 01/31/2008 16:53:57
SPROCKETS MENTION!!!

Comment by livingonli on 01/31/2008 16:55:34
I don't think Rudy's ego would accept the Veep slot. Unless he's counting on McCain croaking in office.

Comment by livingonli on 01/31/2008 16:56:37
I guess the Chim-Chim wasn't the monkey from the Speed Racer cartoon.

Comment by wickedpam on 01/31/2008 16:57:33
Quote by Raine: I haven't lost a child...



Interesting comment.




I took that whole thing as a shot at Edwards.



Comment by Raine on 01/31/2008 16:58:09




condi is a black woman... just saying.

Comment by livingonli on 01/31/2008 16:59:44
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Raine: I haven't lost a child...



Interesting comment.




I took that whole thing as a shot at Edwards.



I missed this. Who said this mean-spirited remark?

Comment by Raine on 01/31/2008 17:02:06
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Raine: I haven't lost a child...



Interesting comment.




I took that whole thing as a shot at Edwards.

So did I. I watched that whole thing. And that was my thought.



Comment by Grumpymann on 01/31/2008 17:03:10
Quote by Raine:



condi is a black woman... just saying.


You need to be human to be a black woman.

Condi just doesn't measure up.

Comment by Raine on 01/31/2008 17:03:53
Quote by livingonli:
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Raine: I haven't lost a child...



Interesting comment.




I took that whole thing as a shot at Edwards.



I missed this. Who said this mean-spirited remark?


Bush in his Faux-umentary answering the question about what he is grateful about.







Comment by livingonli on 01/31/2008 17:09:55
Quote by Raine:
Quote by livingonli:
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Raine: I haven't lost a child...



Interesting comment.




I took that whole thing as a shot at Edwards.



I missed this. Who said this mean-spirited remark?


Bush in his Faux-umentary answering the question about what he is grateful about.







How would he feel if one of the twins had an early demise? Then again if his reaction to losing the sister is any indication, it would be very creepy indeed.

Comment by Raine on 01/31/2008 17:13:28
Quote by Grumpymann:
Quote by Raine:



condi is a black woman... just saying.


You need to be human to be a black woman.

Condi just doesn't measure up.


This is something that pisses me off about so much of our democratic electorate right now. SO many people are voting for race and/or gender.. I have met peopel who cannot tell me WHY They are voting one way or antoehr aside from these 2 issues.



ISsues are what count. WE have come too far to vote for skin coulour or gender. I will take a democratic Vote. I want our new voters to be be more informed. I want them to vote becuase in order t have good race relations, or good woman's rights relations, we need people to be informed.



God I hope that makes sense, becuase I know we still have so far to go.

Comment by Raine on 01/31/2008 17:16:12
Quote by livingonli:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by livingonli:
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Raine: I haven't lost a child...



Interesting comment.




I took that whole thing as a shot at Edwards.



I missed this. Who said this mean-spirited remark?


Bush in his Faux-umentary answering the question about what he is grateful about.







How would he feel if one of the twins had an early demise? Then again if his reaction to losing the sister is any indication, it would be very creepy indeed.
IT could have been that as well.



And yes, VERY creepy.









Comment by livingonli on 01/31/2008 17:18:26
What no mention of Kucinich, Ms, Kennedy-Towhnsend.



On the Sam Seder blog, there is speculation that Mark Green has a gag order against any criticism of Hillary since he is supporting her. Discuss.

Comment by Raine on 01/31/2008 17:27:53
Quote by livingonli: I don't think Rudy's ego would accept the Veep slot. Unless he's counting on McCain croaking in office.
I am sure a lot of people are. BUt hey, how great would it be to have 2 cancer survivors running the country?



LEt's take a look at the health of republicans for a moment... McCain: Skin cancer, Rudy: Prostate Cancer, Huck: Type one Diabetes, Mitt : he's Healthy; (+ for Mitt!!!)



And how old is Ron PAul again?





MY fear is who McCain chooses as his VP. becuase I just do not see him living. I am tired of Old white men in the office. I am tired of all them.











Comment by BobR on 01/31/2008 17:31:13
Comment by Raine on 01/31/2008 17:32:57
Quote by livingonli: What no mention of Kucinich, Ms, Kennedy-Towhnsend.



On the Sam Seder blog, there is speculation that Mark Green has a gag order against any criticism of Hillary since he is supporting her. Discuss.


I am glad we do not call ourselves Air America Anything.



This might be all speculation, but I have seen Mark Green defending hillary on th TV machine. Once again I do not begrudge him that, but he has a greater responsibilty and that is to giving a voice to progressives.



Randi and Thom are not beholden to MArk Green. I do not know about Rach.



The thing is, they do not have to crit Hillary... as they are supposed to be opening up the doors to all, what I woud hate to see happening is a lack of discussion occuring. IT all depends upon what the definaition of *critisism* is.



That part concerns me.







Comment by Raine on 01/31/2008 17:36:01
28 repubs are not re running for office? HOLY SHITE!

Comment by Raine on 01/31/2008 17:40:55


:rofl: YES, I have had a day or 2 like that in my time!! :rofl:



Liv, I think you had one like that last night...

Comment by wickedpam on 01/31/2008 17:41:10






That was cute. I wonder how much of that was real. :D

Comment by wickedpam on 01/31/2008 17:41:58
Quote by Raine: 28 repubs are not re running for office? HOLY SHITE!




2 of them from my state alone.



Comment by Raine on 01/31/2008 17:43:47
Quote by wickedpam:





That was cute. I wonder how much of that was real. :D


The bubble wrap guy was the very best.

Comment by livingonli on 01/31/2008 17:51:33
Quote by Raine:
Quote by livingonli: What no mention of Kucinich, Ms, Kennedy-Towhnsend.



On the Sam Seder blog, there is speculation that Mark Green has a gag order against any criticism of Hillary since he is supporting her. Discuss.


I am glad we do not call ourselves Air America Anything.



This might be all speculation, but I have seen Mark Green defending hillary on th TV machine. Once again I do not begrudge him that, but he has a greater responsibilty and that is to giving a voice to progressives.



Randi and Thom are not beholden to MArk Green. I do not know about Rach.



The thing is, they do not have to crit Hillary... as they are supposed to be opening up the doors to all, what I woud hate to see happening is a lack of discussion occuring. IT all depends upon what the definaition of *critisism* is.



That part concerns me.







It's one thing to point out the BS coming from the right but there seems to be in some circles a dismissive attitude towards anyone who says that Hillary might not be that progressive by citing her votes especially when it comes to the war or any DLC-related propositions that she has supported. One of the bloggers pointed out that Rachel doesn't criticize Hillary if she's doing a show with Mark Green and David Bender. Then again this may be an extension of the old criticisms from when AAR started that it would be just a mouthpiece of the Democratic Party.

Comment by livingonli on 01/31/2008 17:52:42
Quote by Raine:

:rofl: YES, I have had a day or 2 like that in my time!! :rofl:



Liv, I think you had one like that last night...


I most certainly did.

Comment by Raine on 01/31/2008 17:57:16
Ahnold is getting ready to endorse John McCain, and Rudy is standing there right next to him.



That is what I am seeing right now on my TV mosheen.

McCain is now in love with Rudy. Joe is nowhere to be found.



Obama better figure out who he wants as a VP soon.



The heads are talking now about how Hillary and McCain are tethered to each other regarding policy. YES... that is what they are saying.



Comment by livingonli on 01/31/2008 17:57:57
Quote by Raine:



LEt's take a look at the health of republicans for a moment... McCain: Skin cancer, Rudy: Prostate Cancer, Huck: Type one Diabetes, Mitt : he's Healthy; (+ for Mitt!!!)



And how old is Ron PAul again?





I think Ron Paul is around 71.

Comment by TriSec on 01/31/2008 18:03:49
Ya know, airline pilots, truckdrivers, firefighters, and a whole range of other jobs have a mandatory retirement age...



I used to be dead-set against any kind of term limits (they're called "elections") but as time wears on, I'm less sure of myself.



Sure, the lower age limit for president is what, 35? Well, there should be an upper limit, too. If you're going to be over the Social Security recommended retirement age during your term....







Comment by TriSec on 01/31/2008 18:05:50
Ye olde snippete from the Wiki:

Ronald Ernest "Ron" Paul (born August 20, 1935) is a Republican United States Congressman from Lake Jackson, Texas, a physician, and a 2008 U.S. presidential candidate. Originally from the Pittsburgh suburb of Green Tree, Pennsylvania, he studied at Duke University School of Medicine, and after his 1961 graduation and a residency in obstetrics and gynecology, he became a U.S. Air Force flight surgeon, serving outside the Vietnam War zone. He later entered politics and has represented Texas districts in the U.S. House of Representatives (1976–1977, 1979–1985, and 1997–present). He entered the 1988 presidential election running as the Libertarian nominee while remaining a registered Republican and placed a distant third...




Comment by livingonli on 01/31/2008 18:08:28
The scary part of the Supreme Court is that one of the few near liberals left John Paul Stevens is almost 90 while the more right-wing members of the court (Thomas, Roberts, Alito) are in their 40's and 50's. That's why we need a President who will reverse the right-ward drift of the court.

Comment by livingonli on 01/31/2008 18:09:56
Quote by TriSec: Ye olde snippete from the Wiki:

Ronald Ernest "Ron" Paul (born August 20, 1935) is a Republican United States Congressman from Lake Jackson, Texas, a physician, and a 2008 U.S. presidential candidate. Originally from the Pittsburgh suburb of Green Tree, Pennsylvania, he studied at Duke University School of Medicine, and after his 1961 graduation and a residency in obstetrics and gynecology, he became a U.S. Air Force flight surgeon, serving outside the Vietnam War zone. He later entered politics and has represented Texas districts in the U.S. House of Representatives (1976–1977, 1979–1985, and 1997–present). He entered the 1988 presidential election running as the Libertarian nominee while remaining a registered Republican and placed a distant third...






I was close. He's 72 1/2.



Comment by starling310 on 01/31/2008 18:33:47




OMG Bobber! I totally needed that!



Comment by velveeta jones on 01/31/2008 19:04:31
Hey, if I were to go to a McCain rally............could I get away with carrying this as a poster:





Photobucket

McCain: Bush's snuggle bunny, for President





Comment by livingonli on 01/31/2008 19:18:55
It looks like they were going to spoon. All they need is Lieberman and they can have a three-way.



Penalty box for me.



:skates off with Raintini bottle:

Comment by wickedpam on 01/31/2008 19:32:41
Quote by velveeta jones: Hey, if I were to go to a McCain rally............could I get away with carrying this as a poster:





Photobucket

McCain: Bush's snuggle bunny, for President











Maybe just put it in your car window. More people see it then



Comment by MMB on 01/31/2008 19:42:46
Hi all, I just got off the phone with a very conservative Republican person who was at a meeting last night where the name being tossed about if McCain is the guy Condi Rice for VP. Just a little info from a good source.

Comment by velveeta jones on 01/31/2008 19:43:34
Good idea Mala. Will do.................maybe I'll clean the mud off of my window.

Comment by velveeta jones on 01/31/2008 19:48:25
Condi would be a good sell for many.

Comment by livingonli on 01/31/2008 19:48:29
Don't forget KO fans, tonight there are TWO Countdowns. The regular 8 PM and Midnight one which will include a special comment on FISA and the Telcoms. And then he will do a post democratic debate edition at 10 PM. Make a note or set your VCR or DVR to record it as back-up.



What does it say that MSNBC has Keith on after a Democratic debate but they gave Tweety the slot after the Republican debate?

Comment by livingonli on 01/31/2008 19:51:21
Quote by velveeta jones: Condi would be a good sell for many.


But what about Condi's ties to Bush, the neo-cons and the war? Won't she be tainted by that association? And even with the neo-con credentials how many of the hard core racist republcians who probably think McCain is too liberal would ever vote for a woman of color?



You know what, bring it on.

Comment by velveeta jones on 01/31/2008 19:58:07
Liv, I agree, we need to keep the pressure on that McCain will keep us in war, that he is this [] close to senility and that (see below) he's just another gw bush lover.

Comment by BobR on 01/31/2008 19:58:39
Quote by livingonli: Don't forget KO fans, tonight there are TWO Countdowns. The regular 8 PM and Midnight one which will include a special comment on FISA and the Telcoms. And then he will do a post democratic debate edition at 10 PM. Make a note or set your VCR or DVR to record it as back-up.



What does it say that MSNBC has Keith on after a Democratic debate but they gave Tweety the slot after the Republican debate?




On top of that - the LOST premier is tonight at 9:00...

Comment by BobR on 01/31/2008 20:01:31
Quote by livingonli:

But what about Condi's ties to Bush, the neo-cons and the war? Won't she be tainted by that association? And even with the neo-con credentials how many of the hard core racist republcians who probably think McCain is too liberal would ever vote for a woman of color?



You know what, bring it on.


Since McCain is praising Bush's war, Condi seems like a perfect fit. On top of that, the neanderthals that won't vote for Obama or Clinton because they're a black/woman would be faced with having to select a black woman on the other ticket. They'd probably stay home, assuring a Democratic victory.

Comment by wickedpam on 01/31/2008 20:01:34
Quote by livingonli: Don't forget KO fans, tonight there are TWO Countdowns. The regular 8 PM and Midnight one which will include a special comment on FISA and the Telcoms. And then he will do a post democratic debate edition at 10 PM. Make a note or set your VCR or DVR to record it as back-up.



What does it say that MSNBC has Keith on after a Democratic debate but they gave Tweety the slot after the Republican debate?




I'm already recording LOST! I'll have to catch it on the repeat.



Comment by livingonli on 01/31/2008 20:06:44
Off to the salt mine I go. Hope I don't have another feed crap out again.

Comment by wickedpam on 01/31/2008 20:15:27
*sigh*



randi name dropping again....:kickcan:

Comment by TriSec on 01/31/2008 20:21:11
but, if Hillary becomes president, wouldn't she order the military to stand by while aliens from M-113 come down and suck all the salt out of our bodies?





Comment by TriSec on 01/31/2008 21:11:31
Ya know, we have the wingnuts-in-law over Sunday for a birthday party...



I thought I would make yellow cake in the shape of Niger, but they wouldn't get the reference...





Comment by BobR on 01/31/2008 21:19:55
Quote by TriSec: Ya know, we have the wingnuts-in-law over Sunday for a birthday party...



I thought I would make yellow cake in the shape of Niger, but they wouldn't get the reference...





Maybe you can say "Hey - how's about we play something?... Like the Blame the Plame Game?"

Comment by livingonli on 01/31/2008 21:22:58
Quote by BobR:
Quote by TriSec: Ya know, we have the wingnuts-in-law over Sunday for a birthday party...



I thought I would make yellow cake in the shape of Niger, but they wouldn't get the reference...





Maybe you can say "Hey - how's about we play something?... Like the Blame the Plame Game?"


:rofl: Is there a contest for best Sean Hannity imitation?

Comment by Raine on 01/31/2008 21:37:05
I gotta say, I am glad I did not watch that debate last night.

These guys have NO plan whatsover.. none.





Comment by livingonli on 01/31/2008 21:38:15
Raine, are you going to catch the special comment tonight?

Comment by Raine on 01/31/2008 21:40:34
Comment by Raine on 01/31/2008 21:42:15
Quote by livingonli: Raine, are you going to catch the special comment tonight?
IF we are back home in time, yes. I will be taping it.



Comment by Raine on 01/31/2008 21:46:53
listening to Randi, and I must say, I do not blame Mitt for defending his postition... McCAin is an asshole. When the MODERATORS have to correct him, well you can do the math.

Comment by Raine on 01/31/2008 21:56:03
Randi, his candidate is suspended.



that is a big difference. Those votes do not get thrown away.

Comment by livingonli on 01/31/2008 21:58:00
Quote by livingonli: Don't forget KO fans, tonight there are TWO Countdowns. The regular 8 PM and Midnight one which will include a special comment on FISA and the Telcoms. And then he will do a post democratic debate edition at 10 PM. Make a note or set your VCR or DVR to record it as back-up.



What does it say that MSNBC has Keith on after a Democratic debate but they gave Tweety the slot after the Republican debate?


:bump: Just in case anyone didn't see it.

Comment by Raine on 01/31/2008 22:12:11
No may mean no, but it is my vote, and I will use it as I see fit.





Comment by Raine on 01/31/2008 22:26:16
Goldwater/Miller '08 mention on Randi!

Comment by Raine on 01/31/2008 22:31:39
according to hardball, Ronald raygun's name was invoked 42 times last night in the debate.



FORTY TWO TIMES!!!!

Comment by m-hadley on 01/31/2008 22:49:43
Quote by Raine: I gotta say, I am glad I did not watch that debate last night.

These guys have NO plan whatsover.. none.







Heya gang,

I'm home after leaving work early - massive headache, head cold, and plain old exhaustion, just up out of bed. I couldn't watch the numb-nut rethuglitards last night, but do hope to watch the Dems tonight, will anybody else be blogging on 4Fs tonight? I am waiting to see/hear how the last two standing will address John Edwards' issues and I'm still waiting to hear something/anything about how they will address Native issues. Vamos a ver....

Comment by Raine on 01/31/2008 23:00:47
Quote by m-hadley:
Quote by Raine: I gotta say, I am glad I did not watch that debate last night. These guys have NO plan whatsover.. none.
Heya gang, I'm home after leaving work early - massive headache, head cold, and plain old exhaustion, just up out of bed. I couldn't watch the numb-nut rethuglitards last night, but do hope to watch the Dems tonight, will anybody else be blogging on 4Fs tonight? I am waiting to see/hear how the last two standing will address John Edwards' issues and I'm still waiting to hear something/anything about how they will address Native issues. Vamos a ver....
Sorry you were feeling sick today Faye. I hope you are feeling a bit better. I am sure a few people will be around and about for the debate. I am hoping we will get back from dinner in time to catch some of it. I hope someone will be able to give a few play by plays, at the very least.

Comment by Raine on 01/31/2008 23:31:48
Actually I am 90% sure we will be back in time to al least catch the debate by 9. SO I hope other will be here. AND.... YEs Mala... We have lost set to record!

Comment by shelaghc on 02/01/2008 00:33:39
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Quote by livingonli: Don't forget KO fans, tonight there are TWO Countdowns. The regular 8 PM and Midnight one which will include a special comment on FISA and the Telcoms. And then he will do a post democratic debate edition at 10 PM. Make a note or set your VCR or DVR to record it as back-up.



What does it say that MSNBC has Keith on after a Democratic debate but they gave Tweety the slot after the Republican debate?


Any chance this is going to air live on the 'net?

Comment by livingonli on 02/01/2008 01:03:43
If they are streaming, it should be up on MSNBC's web site. The special comment will probably be up on Crooks and Liars later tonight.

Comment by m-hadley on 02/01/2008 01:52:27
I was so torn, between watching the debate live on CNN or watching KO and his special comment over on MSNBC - at the moment I'm watching the debate. I like Obama's answer about drivers' licenses for undocumented workers.

Comment by TriSec on 02/01/2008 02:19:10
Evening, folks. There's a Debate?



Did Mike Gravel drop out now too? Where was he?



Oh yeah, he didn't count because the media doesn't like him...





I saw earlier today on the teevee musheen that Mass did not print new ballots...everybody's name is still on them.



Well, gosh darn it, I'm still a-votin' for Bill Richardson, by gum!



:ting:



Comment by Raine on 02/01/2008 02:29:29
Quote by m-hadley: I was so torn, between watching the debate live on CNN or watching KO and his special comment over on MSNBC - at the moment I'm watching the debate. I like Obama's answer about drivers' licenses for undocumented workers.


hey all! we are back... his answer was good?





Comment by Raine on 02/01/2008 02:30:16
has hillary been bobbleheading all night liek the past 4 mintues I have been watching?

Comment by livingonli on 02/01/2008 02:31:43
Go for it. Tri. I may still vote for Edwards. (or Kucinich )

Comment by Raine on 02/01/2008 02:36:00
I see Obama doesn't bobblehead. +1 for obama



And I See that Hillary will not retract her IRaq war vote, AGAIN.



IT was simple question, a very simple question.



SLAM! Wolf just took here downtown. I do not know if I think that was a very fair question, but HELL.

Comment by Raine on 02/01/2008 02:36:54
Translation, Hillary is saying she believed bush because she was told PERSONALLY by the adminsitration that they were telling the truth.







Comment by Raine on 02/01/2008 02:39:17
knock knock... anyone around???

Comment by Raine on 02/01/2008 02:40:52
Quote by shelaghc: [
Quote by livingonli: Don't forget KO fans, tonight there are TWO Countdowns. The regular 8 PM and Midnight one which will include a special comment on FISA and the Telcoms. And then he will do a post democratic debate edition at 10 PM. Make a note or set your VCR or DVR to record it as back-up.



What does it say that MSNBC has Keith on after a Democratic debate but they gave Tweety the slot after the Republican debate?


Any chance this is going to air live on the 'net?


I will post it here as soon as I can find it on the net's'...

Comment by livingonli on 02/01/2008 02:41:07
Quote by Raine: Translation, Hillary is saying she believed bush because she was told PERSONALLY by the adminsitration that they were telling the truth.







Like that would reassure me. Even back then I didn't buy what he was selling. Another centrist who didn't want to be seen as "too liberal".

Comment by Raine on 02/01/2008 02:43:31
Comment by Raine on 02/01/2008 02:43:55
My new nickname for hillary is BobbleHill.

Comment by Raine on 02/01/2008 02:45:23
I hate this whiny poor me verson of hillary...

Comment by Raine on 02/01/2008 02:49:21
BArack needed to just tell wolfe that that was an unapropriate question regarding an OC or CO ticket.





Comment by Raine on 02/01/2008 02:51:01
OMG, are hillary and Barack now in love???

Comment by livingonli on 02/01/2008 02:51:43
Quote by Raine: My new nickname for hillary is BobbleHill.


I still like Shillary.

Comment by Raine on 02/01/2008 02:51:47
HAs anyone ever seen "jungle Fever" ? they just held hands!!!

Comment by Raine on 02/01/2008 02:53:18
Quote by Raine: HAs anyone ever seen "jungle Fever" ? they just held hands!!!


And they nearly made out at the end of debate.





Comment by Raine on 02/01/2008 02:55:13
Raine apologizes if my comment was misconstrued.





They just look like a total love fest suddenly.

Comment by Raine on 02/01/2008 02:59:39
I have turned on MSNBC.





Comment by Raine on 02/01/2008 03:02:58
HA! KO just called it a LOVE-IN in LA!!!!



:rofl:

Comment by Raine on 02/01/2008 03:05:27
20 minutes in the debate talked about healthcare???

Comment by Raine on 02/01/2008 03:06:14
Barack is going to broadcast healthcare negotiaons on cspan???



Will he do it withOUT big pharma???

Comment by Raine on 02/01/2008 03:09:33
I am wondering What JE thoght about the debate tonite.

Comment by livingonli on 02/01/2008 03:20:35
Things to check out when I get home tonight.

Comment by Raine on 02/01/2008 03:22:20
Rach is ONCE AGIN going to be put against Pat

Comment by livingonli on 02/01/2008 03:25:42
Hope between her and Keith, he gets a smackdown.

Comment by Raine on 02/01/2008 03:29:19
MArk Penn has some serious flopsweat going on.

Comment by Raine on 02/01/2008 03:36:12
This is great, KO interviewing John Amato from C&l, Arianna, and Josh MArshal from TPM...

Comment by livingonli on 02/01/2008 03:43:37
I guess when Tweety did it last night he probably had the usual right-wing tools.



KO's on the ball with an all-progressive panel. Rare in punditry.