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The Case for Criminal Procedings
Author: BobR    Date: 02/06/2008 13:26:20

With all of the hoopla over the Super Tuesday primaries, this story has slipped through the cracks. Perhaps the timing of the release of the story was intentional for that very reason.

The CIA used a widely condemned interrogation technique known as waterboarding on three suspects captured after the September 11 attacks, CIA Director Michael Hayden told Congress on Tuesday.

"Waterboarding has been used on only three detainees," Hayden told the Senate Intelligence Committee. It was the first time a U.S. official publicly specified the number of people subjected to waterboarding and named them.

Critics call waterboarding a form of illegal torture. Congress is considering banning the technique.

Congress is considering banning the technique? It's already against the law (which we'll see in a minute). But first, let's take a look at this report from the State Dept about Tunisia:

- Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman, or Degrading Treatment or Punishment

The law prohibits such practices; however, security forces reportedly tortured detainees to elicit confessions and discourage resistance. The forms of torture and other abuse included: electric shock; submersion of the head in water; beatings with hands, sticks, and police batons; suspension, sometimes manacled, from cell doors and rods resulting in loss of consciousness; and cigarette burns. According to AI, police and prison officials used sexual assault and threats of sexual assault against the wives of Islamist prisoners to extract information, to intimidate, and to punish.

---- snip

For example, on June 25, according to CNLT, 25-year-old Zied Ghodhbane appeared in court in a state of physical and psychological distress, bearing marks of abuse on his body. He reportedly testified that officials at the Ministry of Interior tortured him by beatings, electrocution, and holding his head under water in detention facilities at the interior ministry after his extradition from Algeria to the country.

So even the State Dept says torture is illegal, and says that dunking someones head in water is torture. But what does the law say? Let's look at Title18, Chapter 113C, Section 2340 of the U.S. Code of Law:
As used in this chapter -
( 1 ) "torture" means an act committed by a person acting under the color of law specifically intended to inflict severe physical or mental pain or suffering (other than pain or suffering incidental to lawful sanctions) upon another person within his custody or physical control;
( 2 ) "severe mental pain or suffering" means the prolonged mental harm caused by or resulting from -
( A ) the intentional infliction or threatened infliction of severe physical pain or suffering;
( B ) the administration or application, or threatened administration or application, of mind-altering substances or other procedures calculated to disrupt profoundly the senses or the personality;
( C ) the threat of imminent death; or
( D ) the threat that another person will imminently be subjected to death, severe physical pain or suffering, or the administration or application of mind-altering substances or other procedures calculated to disrupt profoundly the senses or personality;

Can anyone deny that waterboarding represents the threat of imminent death? Not only is it a crime, it's a war crime, according to Title 18, Chapter 118, Section 2441 of the U.S. Code of Law:
(a) Offense.— Whoever, whether inside or outside the United States, commits a war crime, in any of the circumstances described in subsection ( b ), shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for life or any term of years, or both, and if death results to the victim, shall also be subject to the penalty of death.

----snip----

( c ) Definition.— As used in this section the term “war crime” means any conduct—
( 1 ) defined as a grave breach in any of the international conventions signed at Geneva 12 August 1949, or any protocol to such convention to which the United States is a party;
( 2 ) prohibited by Article 23, 25, 27, or 28 of the Annex to the Hague Convention IV, Respecting the Laws and Customs of War on Land, signed 18 October 1907;
( 3 ) which constitutes a violation of common Article 3 of the international conventions signed at Geneva, 12 August 1949, or any protocol to such convention to which the United States is a party and which deals with non-international armed conflict;...

So impeachment is still off the table? Why?... One can certainly say that George W. Bush didn't personally perform these acts, but he oversaw an administration that did, and did nothing to stop it (I believe in legal parlance that's "Conspiracy to Commit"). Ignorance of the law is no excuse. Mukasey can dance around it, but he can't change what the law says, nor what this Administration has done. No retroactive immunity for telecoms, and no retroactive immunity for this Administration.

Off to jail with the lot of them!


 

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Comment by TriSec on 02/06/2008 13:46:11
Morning; death on a cracker here.



No, I am not able to sit up and take nourishment.





Everyone play nice, maybe I'll come in later today.



:thud:



Comment by Raine on 02/06/2008 14:16:27
Excellent Blog BobR. :clap:



And Tri, Tell me did catch Obama Fever? (Off to the penalty Box) Shoot I hope you feel better Soon Tri...



Comment by Raine on 02/06/2008 14:26:42
There are over 800 superdelegates. I am concerned about that as well.

Comment by Raine on 02/06/2008 14:34:57
:thud: Alan Colmes

Comment by Raine on 02/06/2008 14:36:29
OMG the delegate count is that close? oofda!

Comment by m-hadley on 02/06/2008 14:40:16
I'm home this morning , although there's no overtime in the liberry world there is comp time, so I'm using some of the extra hours I worked yesterday to stay home for a few hours this morning. Excellent post BobR. I may go back to bed...

Comment by Raine on 02/06/2008 14:43:20
Well, you know I must say, to all those people who thought that they would have a meaningless primary, suddenly this morning....



those primaries are are going to count now, BIG TIME.



Pennsylvania for example is now a battleground state.

Comment by shelaghc on 02/06/2008 14:53:19
I can stream! I can stream!!!!!!



For today at least.



Comment by wickedpam on 02/06/2008 14:53:44
Morning! :hug:



But not too close I've come down with a small cold.

Comment by shelaghc on 02/06/2008 14:54:22
Quote by Raine: Pennsylvania for example is now a battleground state.




I'm in PA now and I can't vote in the frickin' primary! I will, however, be a force for Obama!



Comment by wickedpam on 02/06/2008 14:55:30
Quote by Raine: Well, you know I must say, to all those people who thought that they would have a meaningless primary, suddenly this morning....



those primaries are are going to count now, BIG TIME.



Pennsylvania for example is now a battleground state.




Yeah! My vote actually matters!



Comment by Raine on 02/06/2008 15:00:13
Seriously. Later primaries are REALLY going to play a major part in this election.



Saturday February 8:

Louisiana Primary 67 delegates

Nebraska Caucus 31 delegates

Washington Caucus 97 delegates

Virgin Islands Other 9 delegates



Sunday Feb 9

Maine Caucus 34 delegates



Tuesday, February 12

District of Columbia Primary 37 delegates

Maryland Primary 99 delegates

Virginia Primary 101 delegates



Tuesday, February 19

Hawaii Caucus 29 delegates

Wisconsin Primary 92 delegates



Tuesday, March 4

Ohio Primary 161 delegates

Rhode Island Primary 32 delegates

Texas Primary 228 delegates

Vermont Primary 23 delegates



Saturday, March 8

Wyoming Caucus 18 delegates



Tuesday, March 11

Mississippi Primary 40 delegates



Tuesday, April 22

Pennsylvania Primary 188 delegates



Saturday, May 3

Guam Other 9 delegates



Tuesday, May 6

Indiana Primary 84 delegates

North Carolina Primary 134 delegates



Tuesday, May 13

West Virginia Primary 39 delegates



Tuesday, May 20

Kentucky Primary 60 delegates

Oregon Primary 65 delegates



Tuesday, June 3

Montana Primary 24 delegates

South Dakota Primary 23 delegates



Saturday, June 7

Puerto Rico Caucus 63 delegates











Comment by livingonli on 02/06/2008 15:01:27
Good morning everyone.



Thanks to working late I got a big headache.

Comment by Raine on 02/06/2008 15:02:36
Good morning everyone!







Comment by shelaghc on 02/06/2008 15:04:31
I was workin' the crowd last night at a Dem primary party.



Spent the night handing out "Drinking Liberally" cards and talking up progressive talk radio for Pittsburgh.



I think I got a *lot* of people's attention.



Woohoo!

Comment by Raine on 02/06/2008 15:04:49
OK, so let me get this straight, TriSec has either Obama or Giants Fever, Faye is overtired, Mala is a tad ill (I think she has super insert whaterver you want here fever, and Liv has a post primary mingraine.



Wow we are a healthy bunch today!



Juice for everyone!

Comment by Raine on 02/06/2008 15:05:39
Quote by shelaghc: I was workin' the crowd last night at a Dem primary party.



Spent the night handing out "Drinking Liberally" cards and talking up progressive talk radio for Pittsburgh.



I think I got a *lot* of people's attention.



Woohoo!
Sounds like a great evening! I knew you would meet people, I just knew you would! :hug:



Comment by livingonli on 02/06/2008 15:07:18
Quote by Raine: OK, so let me get this straight, TriSec has either Obama or Giants Fever, Faye is overtired, Mala is a tad ill (I think she has super insert whaterver you want here fever, and Liv has a post primary mingraine.



Wow we are a healthy bunch today!



Juice for everyone!


Pass me the Orange Juice please.

Comment by wickedpam on 02/06/2008 15:09:49
Quote by Raine: OK, so let me get this straight, TriSec has either Obama or Giants Fever, Faye is overtired, Mala is a tad ill (I think she has super insert whaterver you want here fever, and Liv has a post primary mingraine.



Wow we are a healthy bunch today!



Juice for everyone!




Just a cold - I'm fighting it off with Zicam and postive thinking. Thanks for the Juice though :D



yum - cranberry!



Comment by Raine on 02/06/2008 15:10:10
Good Source of delagate information.



I also want to say that it is HUGE that by almost 2-1 dems voted over republicans. That is HUGE.

Comment by wickedpam on 02/06/2008 15:12:00
A bra that holds a 750ml bottle o'wine - that's a 375ml in each cup.

Comment by wickedpam on 02/06/2008 15:13:41
From DCRTV -



Rush Slammed For "Anal Poisoning" Rant - 2/6 - From the NY Daily News: Rush Limbaugh's potty mouth runneth over. Even some fellow conservatives think the cigar-chomping pundit has gone too far in his latest use of the phrase "anal poisoning." Limbaugh was ranting against Senator John McCain on his radio show this week when a caller asked whether he thought McCain would pick Senator Lindsey Graham as his running mate. Limbaugh doubted it, though he admitted: "I may be wrong... Lindsey Graham is certainly close enough to (McCain) to die of anal poisoning." Limbaugh, who is heard locally on WMAL, WCBM, and WFMD, has been critical of McCain, claiming he's not a true conservative.....



Comment by Raine on 02/06/2008 15:14:25
I just can't quit Momma... :P

Comment by Raine on 02/06/2008 15:15:32
Quote by wickedpam: From DCRTV -



Rush Slammed For "Anal Poisoning" Rant - 2/6 - From the NY Daily News: Rush Limbaugh's potty mouth runneth over. Even some fellow conservatives think the cigar-chomping pundit has gone too far in his latest use of the phrase "anal poisoning." Limbaugh was ranting against Senator John McCain on his radio show this week when a caller asked whether he thought McCain would pick Senator Lindsey Graham as his running mate. Limbaugh doubted it, though he admitted: "I may be wrong... Lindsey Graham is certainly close enough to (McCain) to die of anal poisoning." Limbaugh, who is heard locally on WMAL, WCBM, and WFMD, has been critical of McCain, claiming he's not a true conservative.....

HOLY SHITE!



That is horrible!



Comment by m-hadley on 02/06/2008 15:16:56
I sent that Booze Bra story to Steph under the subject line "Steph here is the perfect undergarment for you."

Comment by m-hadley on 02/06/2008 15:18:08
Quote by Raine: I just can't quit Momma... :P


I'm with you Raine, I am a true StephHead ;)



Comment by livingonli on 02/06/2008 15:19:07
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam: From DCRTV -



Rush Slammed For "Anal Poisoning" Rant - 2/6 - From the NY Daily News: Rush Limbaugh's potty mouth runneth over. Even some fellow conservatives think the cigar-chomping pundit has gone too far in his latest use of the phrase "anal poisoning." Limbaugh was ranting against Senator John McCain on his radio show this week when a caller asked whether he thought McCain would pick Senator Lindsey Graham as his running mate. Limbaugh doubted it, though he admitted: "I may be wrong... Lindsey Graham is certainly close enough to (McCain) to die of anal poisoning." Limbaugh, who is heard locally on WMAL, WCBM, and WFMD, has been critical of McCain, claiming he's not a true conservative.....

HOLY SHITE!



That is horrible!



He won worst person in the world honors on Monday for that crack.

Comment by wickedpam on 02/06/2008 15:20:23
The man is pure class - which you can't spell without ASS!

Comment by Raine on 02/06/2008 15:20:34
IF candidates were Dogs: John Edwards, Golden retriever....

If candidates were dogs: Rudolph Giuliani - French Bulldog

If candidates were dogs: Ron Paul - Welsh Corgi

:rofl:





you have to see it to believe it!! Alan Keyes is a standard poodle!!!

Fred was a bulldog...

Comment by Raine on 02/06/2008 15:21:31
Quote by m-hadley: I sent that Booze Bra story to Steph under the subject line "Steph here is the perfect undergarment for you."
you truly are a rock star!



Comment by m-hadley on 02/06/2008 15:23:46
Quote by Raine: Good Source of delagate information.



I also want to say that it is HUGE that by almost 2-1 dems voted over republicans. That is HUGE.




Even here in redneck Okie-land, the Dems showed up at the polls (375,000 vs. 300,000). Although this is how the Tulsa World reported it - "An Oklahoma primary record 675,000 voters made it to the polls on a cool, wet day. More than 300,000 Republicans cast ballots, shattering the GOP record of 264,542 set in 1996, when a controversial state question boosted interest in the primary." It's all about the rethuglicans here in OK



Comment by Raine on 02/06/2008 15:24:30
Hillary is a labradoodle, and BArack is a great Dane... Those pictures are priceless!!

Comment by m-hadley on 02/06/2008 15:25:41
Quote by Raine:
Quote by m-hadley: I sent that Booze Bra story to Steph under the subject line "Steph here is the perfect undergarment for you."
you truly are a rock star!





Comment by livingonli on 02/06/2008 15:27:06
Quote by Raine: IF candidates were Dogs: John Edwards, Golden retriever....

If candidates were dogs: Rudolph Giuliani - French Bulldog

If candidates were dogs: Ron Paul - Welsh Corgi

:rofl:





you have to see it to believe it!! Alan Keyes is a standard poodle!!!

Fred was a bulldog...


Link not working for me.

Comment by Raine on 02/06/2008 15:28:56
:rofl: Poor

Comment by Raine on 02/06/2008 15:30:08
Quote by livingonli:
Quote by Raine: IF candidates were Dogs: John Edwards, Golden retriever....

If candidates were dogs: Rudolph Giuliani - French Bulldog

If candidates were dogs: Ron Paul - Welsh Corgi

:rofl:





you have to see it to believe it!! Alan Keyes is a standard poodle!!!

Fred was a bulldog...


Link not working for me.


try this ... It the complete list of candidates.

Comment by livingonli on 02/06/2008 15:30:08
Party at Ground Zero!

Comment by BobR on 02/06/2008 15:30:20
Morning, folks... :coffee:

Comment by Raine on 02/06/2008 15:31:35
WE are under a tornado watch until 2 pm here in Atlanta...



I am a northerner, these make me a little nervous.

Comment by livingonli on 02/06/2008 15:36:15
Morning BobR.

Comment by shelaghc on 02/06/2008 15:36:32
Quote by Raine:
Quote by livingonli:
Quote by Raine: IF candidates were Dogs: John Edwards, Golden retriever....

If candidates were dogs: Rudolph Giuliani - French Bulldog

If candidates were dogs: Ron Paul - Welsh Corgi

:rofl:





you have to see it to believe it!! Alan Keyes is a standard poodle!!!

Fred was a bulldog...


Link not working for me.


try this ... It the complete list of candidates.




That's an insult to that beautiful French Bulldog!





Comment by wickedpam on 02/06/2008 15:38:37
Quote by Raine: WE are under a tornado watch until 2 pm here in Atlanta...



I am a northerner, these make me a little nervous.






I don't like them either. When we lived in Illinois there was a very small one that hit our neighborhood, only touched down in our neighbors back yard - only thing damaged was the swing set thankfully.



Keep watch on the sky - if it goes green and you hear a train get to the lowest point of the house or if you can't get to an inner room without a window - the bathroom works the best.



Comment by BobR on 02/06/2008 15:41:01
I had the right-wing talk radio on for my morning drive this morning (they have the best weather/traffic coverage), and Neal Boortz was reporting that the Massad says Iran will have a nuclear weapon in 3 years.



He then said "which presidential candidate would be the one you want in office when that happens?"....



FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR



He said McCain, and then said he voted for Huckabee.





Comment by shelaghc on 02/06/2008 15:41:29
I've discovered one of the most annoying things about getting a job after several months out of work.



When I'm home, I can eat anytime I want. So now, I'm hooooooongry!

Comment by wickedpam on 02/06/2008 15:41:40
As Thom has pointed out Hill sat onthe board on Walmart back when Sam Walton ws running the place - back when they still bought American.

Comment by Raine on 02/06/2008 15:41:48
Hillary was on the board tho, in small defense... When SAM was still alive and Wal MArt still prided itself with the "MADE IN THE USA" label.



It isn't much, but still.

Comment by wickedpam on 02/06/2008 15:42:56
Blog Mind Meld!

Comment by Raine on 02/06/2008 15:43:19
Quote by wickedpam: As Thom has pointed out Hill sat onthe board on Walmart back when Sam Walton ws running the place - back when they still bought American.


:beer:

Comment by shelaghc on 02/06/2008 15:43:41
omigod!



Shut the Huck up?!!!!!!





Comment by Raine on 02/06/2008 15:46:32
it is nearly impossible to get thru to the show these days... busy busy busy. I wanted to call to tell them this information about Hillary and Walmart.

Comment by Raine on 02/06/2008 15:47:42
Quote by shelaghc: omigod!



Shut the Huck up?!!!!!!





We can thank Faye for that!!!

Comment by Raine on 02/06/2008 15:49:19
Quote by BobR: I had the right-wing talk radio on for my morning drive this morning (they have the best weather/traffic coverage), and Neal Boortz was reporting that the Massad says Iran will have a nuclear weapon in 3 years.



He then said "which presidential candidate would be the one you want in office when that happens?"....



FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR



He said McCain, and then said he voted for Huckabee.



WTF?!?!?



So the reicht wing is back to spreading this IRan nuke lie again I see. Nice.



Comment by livingonli on 02/06/2008 15:49:30
I want to go back to bed.

Comment by Raine on 02/06/2008 15:51:08
I hope that Obama says no. That would be a serious power play over Clinton.

Comment by wickedpam on 02/06/2008 15:51:52
Um - I think it's local Fox 5 debate. (from DCRTV)



Clinton To Debate Obama In DC On Fox5 - 2/5 - Hillary Clinton's Communications Director Howard Wolfson has announced that the campaign has accepted a Fox News invitation for a one-on-one debate with Barack Obama in Washington on 2/11 - the day before the so-called Potomac Primary featuring DC, Virginia, and Maryland. The Democratic debate will also air Fox-owned Channel 5/WTTG. More at foxnews.com.....



Comment by livingonli on 02/06/2008 15:52:05
Quote by Raine: it is nearly impossible to get thru to the show these days... busy busy busy. I wanted to call to tell them this information about Hillary and Walmart.


I have to go back to Alternet, but there was a story that when she was on the board, she was the most fiercely anti-union of the board members back in those days. Of course, now they all are.

Comment by Raine on 02/06/2008 15:52:05
EDWARDS FOR VP!

Comment by wickedpam on 02/06/2008 15:53:33
Quote by Raine: EDWARDS FOR VP!




Here! Here!



Comment by livingonli on 02/06/2008 15:53:40
Quote by Raine: EDWARDS FOR VP!


I'll go with that one.

Comment by Raine on 02/06/2008 15:55:05
OK>.. CALLER... don't slam the obama camp.



:bad:



Way to go Momma!

Comment by shelaghc on 02/06/2008 15:55:23
Edwards for Attorney General!



Let's clean house and restore credibility to the office of the US Attorney General!

Comment by Raine on 02/06/2008 15:56:26
OK, Raine is hearby disgusted with the fights between the Clinton and the Obama camps.











Comment by wickedpam on 02/06/2008 15:57:30
I have to find this guy in Manassas - he may be one of only a handful of Dem in town.

Comment by Raine on 02/06/2008 15:58:26
Quote by shelaghc: Edwards for Attorney General!



Let's clean house and restore credibility to the office of the US Attorney General!


I would love that as well, Right now I am hoping to see him back out on the trail stumping for our side.



I miss his voice... I miss his message

Comment by livingonli on 02/06/2008 15:58:48
Quote by Raine: OK, Raine is hearby disgusted with the fights between the Clinton and the Obama camps.











It is going too far. It seems like they only want to trash the other than concentrating on the real enemy, the GOP and the Bush Crime Family.

Comment by Raine on 02/06/2008 16:01:47
Hillary Clinton - Elizabeth Edwards Win Online Booty Call Poll

OnlineBootyCall.com Asks Members to Elect Their Top Presidential Booty Call

In the spirit of democratic participation, casual dating website OnlineBootyCall.com created an online poll to let their members decide which Presidential candidate and spouse had the assets to be deemed "Booty Call Material." In the provocative poll, an interactive flash game titled BootyCall Decision 2008, Hillary Clinton defeated Obama with 55% of the vote, while 70% of voters ranked Elizabeth Edwards as the top presidential candidate spouse.



The Presidential candidates' attractiveness already garnered plenty of media attention. CNN questioned whether Mitt Romney is too good looking, the Washington Post balked at the slightest hint of Hillary's cleavage, and now, OnlineBootyCall.com enters the fray by asking which Presidential candidate (or spouse) is the most desirable date for an online booty call.



All jests aside, OnlineBootyCall.com's founder Moses (Mo) Brown feels that taking a unique approach to political ratings encourages a broader range of involvement in the political debate. "Despite people's reluctance to admit, the attractiveness of a Presidential candidate plays an influential role in their electability," noted Brown, also adding, "Over 300,000 booty call connections are made every week on OBC, our members know who is worthy of a booty call and who isn't."




More at link...

Comment by livingonli on 02/06/2008 16:03:16
Quote by Raine: Hillary Clinton - Elizabeth Edwards Win Online Booty Call Poll

OnlineBootyCall.com Asks Members to Elect Their Top Presidential Booty Call

In the spirit of democratic participation, casual dating website OnlineBootyCall.com created an online poll to let their members decide which Presidential candidate and spouse had the assets to be deemed "Booty Call Material." In the provocative poll, an interactive flash game titled BootyCall Decision 2008, Hillary Clinton defeated Obama with 55% of the vote, while 70% of voters ranked Elizabeth Edwards as the top presidential candidate spouse.



The Presidential candidates' attractiveness already garnered plenty of media attention. CNN questioned whether Mitt Romney is too good looking, the Washington Post balked at the slightest hint of Hillary's cleavage, and now, OnlineBootyCall.com enters the fray by asking which Presidential candidate (or spouse) is the most desirable date for an online booty call.



All jests aside, OnlineBootyCall.com's founder Moses (Mo) Brown feels that taking a unique approach to political ratings encourages a broader range of involvement in the political debate. "Despite people's reluctance to admit, the attractiveness of a Presidential candidate plays an influential role in their electability," noted Brown, also adding, "Over 300,000 booty call connections are made every week on OBC, our members know who is worthy of a booty call and who isn't."




More at link...


Where's Mrs. Kucinich? I know a lot of people who said they would tap that.

Comment by m-hadley on 02/06/2008 16:03:39
Sorry gang, I am truly multi-tasking here - trying to compose a blog entry, listening to Steph, trying to follow along here at 4F, plus staying up with the breaking news of the day. I got through to the SMS, but Rebekah was swamped with calls so I just said "hey," "thanks" and "hang in there." I'll be lurking all morning long...

Comment by Raine on 02/06/2008 16:04:05
Quote by livingonli:
Quote by Raine: OK, Raine is hearby disgusted with the fights between the Clinton and the Obama camps.











It is going too far. It seems like they only want to trash the other than concentrating on the real enemy, the GOP and the Bush Crime Family.
WEll that is the thing... at one point or another ONE of these people will be OUR candidate.



They ALL need to stop buring bridges. At this rate once one get's the nomination, I am wondering if they will be able to allow the other side into thier camp with out gloating and being asses.



Comment by Raine on 02/06/2008 16:05:17
I say that becuase I SAW it after Edwards dropped out from both sides, they treated edwards supporters like a prize, and actually gloated saying that now we HAVE to pick a side. That was why I wrote that blog. it still makes me angry.





Comment by Raine on 02/06/2008 16:06:16
Quote by m-hadley: Sorry gang, I am truly multi-tasking here - trying to compose a blog entry, listening to Steph, trying to follow along here at 4F, plus staying up with the breaking news of the day. I got through to the SMS, but Rebekah was swamped with calls so I just said "hey," "thanks" and "hang in there." I'll be lurking all morning long...


Faye, doing the lords work. ;)

Comment by Raine on 02/06/2008 16:08:17
That quote is attributed to Ghandi.







Comment by shelaghc on 02/06/2008 16:14:08
Quote by Raine:
Quote by shelaghc: Edwards for Attorney General!



Let's clean house and restore credibility to the office of the US Attorney General!


I would love that as well, Right now I am hoping to see him back out on the trail stumping for our side.



I miss his voice... I miss his message




Me too. Last night I wore two buttons. One for Obama, the other my John Edwards button, upside down to show both protest and my lost vote.



I wish John would go on some of the radio talk shows or TV news shows to comment on what's going on and push that, while he's out of the race, he hasn't abandoned us.



Comment by starling310 on 02/06/2008 16:16:18
Morning Blog.



So, what exactly happens to my vote that I cast for Edwards?

Comment by velveeta jones on 02/06/2008 16:18:35
Morning ya'll. Hope your okay in Hotlanta. We are also under the same tornado watch, though the mountains tend to protect us.



I will also be in "lurk" mode, thinking about doing my taxes and my business taxes (that I closed last year)..............maybe. Taxes, yuck.

Comment by starling310 on 02/06/2008 16:18:39
Paris Hilton in the L Word. . .

Comment by velveeta jones on 02/06/2008 16:22:29
Disclaimer: please note that I said thinking about doing my taxes. I am under no obligations to actually perform.



thank you.

Comment by BobR on 02/06/2008 16:31:31
Quote by starling310: Morning Blog.



So, what exactly happens to my vote that I cast for Edwards?


I voted for Edwards, and the state went to Obama. So I'm pretty happy that I voted for the person I wanted to, and the state went to my second choice.

Comment by wickedpam on 02/06/2008 16:32:04
Hey! I just realized my birthday is a week from Friday!

Comment by wickedpam on 02/06/2008 16:35:31
That part could only be remade by Glen Close if you ask me.

Comment by Raine on 02/06/2008 16:36:08
Connecticut Voters who Voted for Edwards had thier votes go to Obama.



And HELLOOOOOO :star:. (with the golf swing and the flaven)

Comment by Raine on 02/06/2008 16:37:31
Quote by wickedpam: Hey! I just realized my birthday is a week from Friday!


PARTY ONE WEEK FROM FRIDAY!

Comment by Raine on 02/06/2008 16:38:13
Quote by wickedpam: That part could only be remade by Glen Close if you ask me.


I totally concur.

Comment by Raine on 02/06/2008 16:39:08
Quote by velveeta jones: Disclaimer: please note that I said thinking about doing my taxes. I am under no obligations to actually perform.



thank you.




Comment by BobR on 02/06/2008 16:39:36
Listen to the crowd yelling "They haven't"



Is that supposed to be inspiring??

Comment by Raine on 02/06/2008 16:40:08
Quote by starling310: Paris Hilton in the L Word. . .


I am VERY glad I missed that portion of the big Shoe.

Comment by wickedpam on 02/06/2008 16:40:45
Quote by BobR: Listen to the crowd yelling "They haven't"



Is that supposed to be inspiring??




I don't know how yelling a negative can be called inspiring. :shrug:



Comment by starling310 on 02/06/2008 16:40:58
Quote by Raine: Connecticut Voters who Voted for Edwards had thier votes go to Obama.



And HELLOOOOOO :star:. (with the golf swing and the flaven)




REALLY!?!? How does that happen?



Star's Chant pet peave. "USA! USA! USA!" What is that?. . . . why chant "USA!?" It ain't the Olympics.



Comment by Raine on 02/06/2008 16:41:03
Quote by BobR: Listen to the crowd yelling "They haven't"



Is that supposed to be inspiring??


It is as inspiring as our ATL video...

Comment by Raine on 02/06/2008 16:43:31
Quote by starling310:
Quote by Raine: Connecticut Voters who Voted for Edwards had thier votes go to Obama.



And HELLOOOOOO :star:. (with the golf swing and the flaven)




REALLY!?!? How does that happen?



Star's Chant pet peave. "USA! USA! USA!" What is that?. . . . why chant "USA!?" It ain't the Olympics.

IF the candidate does not get 15% of the vote, the votes go to the winner of the state.





the vote counts, no matter what... sadly, if our candidate has suspened the campaign, it means that 15% is the key number for delagates.

Comment by wickedpam on 02/06/2008 16:44:01
mambo dogface to the banana patch.

Comment by Raine on 02/06/2008 16:44:45
MY NEW RAZR IS HERE!!! (yes, I finally got a NEW cell phone...)



Comment by shelaghc on 02/06/2008 16:45:07
Quote by starling310: Morning Blog.



So, what exactly happens to my vote that I cast for Edwards?




Same thing that happened to mine - it went into the abyss.



Although if you voted in a state where Edwards wound up with delegates, at least your vote will go wherever Edwards' wants them to go. Since I voted early in Illinois before I moved, mine vanished in a puff of smoke.

Comment by starling310 on 02/06/2008 16:46:06
Quote by Raine:
Quote by starling310:
Quote by Raine: Connecticut Voters who Voted for Edwards had thier votes go to Obama.



And HELLOOOOOO :star:. (with the golf swing and the flaven)




REALLY!?!? How does that happen?



Star's Chant pet peave. "USA! USA! USA!" What is that?. . . . why chant "USA!?" It ain't the Olympics.

IF the candidate does not get 15% of the vote, the votes go to the winner of the state.





the vote counts, no matter what... sadly, if our candidate has suspened the campaign, it means that 15% is the key number for delagates.




:banana:



Comment by Raine on 02/06/2008 16:47:15
Quote by Raine:
Quote by BobR: Listen to the crowd yelling "They haven't"



Is that supposed to be inspiring??


It is as inspiring as our ATL video...






Don't ya wanna FLOCK to Atlanta now???

Comment by Raine on 02/06/2008 16:49:46
FAYE!!!!!!!!!!!!

Comment by wickedpam on 02/06/2008 16:51:33
Did I miss Faye!

Comment by Raine on 02/06/2008 16:52:13
Quote by shelaghc:
Quote by starling310: Morning Blog.



So, what exactly happens to my vote that I cast for Edwards?




Same thing that happened to mine - it went into the abyss.



Although if you voted in a state where Edwards wound up with delegates, at least your vote will go wherever Edwards' wants them to go. Since I voted early in Illinois before I moved, mine vanished in a puff of smoke.
No, Your vote went to Obama, so it does not go to the abyss. Illonois went to Obama!

Comment by Raine on 02/06/2008 16:52:51
HEY is mentioning the story I mentioned here on the blog!!!

Comment by livingonli on 02/06/2008 16:53:36
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by BobR: Listen to the crowd yelling "They haven't"



Is that supposed to be inspiring??


It is as inspiring as our ATL video...






Don't ya wanna FLOCK to Atlanta now???


Or at least spend a drunken night in DC with these people?

Comment by Raine on 02/06/2008 16:53:54
Quote by wickedpam: Did I miss Faye!


She was on the show!

Comment by wickedpam on 02/06/2008 16:54:58
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam: Did I miss Faye!


She was on the show!




Oh Dang!



Comment by livingonli on 02/06/2008 16:57:08
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam: Did I miss Faye!


She was on the show!




Oh Dang!



I missed it too.

Comment by m-hadley on 02/06/2008 16:57:55
Yeah, it's long story, but just the other day a friend of mine who won the Bible Bowl in Red Oak High School back in the early 80s explained to me what a widow's mite is, so as soon as I heard it mentioned by Chucklebee last night, I looked it up and found the passage in the bible that the phrase comes from. It must be the liberrian in me

Comment by Raine on 02/06/2008 17:05:30
Quote by m-hadley: Yeah, it's long story, but just the other day a friend of mine who won the Bible Bowl in Red Oak High School back in the early 80s explained to me what a widow's mite is, so as soon as I heard it mentioned by Chucklebee last night, I looked it up and found the passage in the bible that the phrase comes from. It must be the liberrian in me


It's a little scary actually that he is using code. Didn't Bush do the same thing before he dumped the evangelicals?



Comment by Raine on 02/06/2008 17:09:03
OK, right off the bat, it sounds like MArk Green is a hillary supporter.

Comment by livingonli on 02/06/2008 17:11:46
Quote by Raine:
Quote by m-hadley: Yeah, it's long story, but just the other day a friend of mine who won the Bible Bowl in Red Oak High School back in the early 80s explained to me what a widow's mite is, so as soon as I heard it mentioned by Chucklebee last night, I looked it up and found the passage in the bible that the phrase comes from. It must be the liberrian in me


It's a little scary actually that he is using code. Didn't Bush do the same thing before he dumped the evangelicals?



Yes, he did. He used code in the debates and when he would make an annual statement to abortion opponents on the Roe v. Wade anniversary. He always made his statement on loudspeaker and would never actually appear at the protest with the Fundies.



Comment by livingonli on 02/06/2008 17:13:56
Quote by Raine: OK, right off the bat, it sounds like MArk Green is a hillary supporter.


He is a big Hillary supporter. That's why many on the Sam Seder blog speculate whether there is a "don't attack Hillary" policy directed at the Air America hosts in addition to the criticism of watering down the Air America content with more centrist content (ie Lionel).

Comment by Raine on 02/06/2008 17:14:30
I may have been too judgemental... But ... Green still sounds a bit like a Clinton apologist.

Comment by shelaghc on 02/06/2008 17:16:22
Quote by livingonli:
Quote by Raine: OK, right off the bat, it sounds like MArk Green is a hillary supporter.


He is a big Hillary supporter. That's why many on the Sam Seder blog speculate whether there is a "don't attack Hillary" policy directed at the Air America hosts in addition to the criticism of watering down the Air America content with more centrist content (ie Lionel).




Rachel has stated on more than one occasion that she never gets any comments about what she can and can't say on the air. And I defy *anyone* to tell Thom Hartmann what to say.



Comment by velveeta jones on 02/06/2008 17:24:33
Dammit!! Did I miss Faye on the ray-dee-o? Shoot.



Love that vid BobR and Raine. Ya'll are too silly.



BTW: Streaming Thom and attempting to clean my desk in preperation for my attempt at thinking about doing my taxes............... stay tuned.

Comment by MMB on 02/06/2008 17:25:38
Everyone stay safe in the severe weather in the S.East today. And if your not in the S.E. stay safe anyway!!

Comment by velveeta jones on 02/06/2008 17:26:17
Oh........ and todays cheese is a nice aged Gouda: Vincent (as in Van Gogh). Not so aged that is salty, great with apple!! Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Comment by Raine on 02/06/2008 17:26:39
Quote by shelaghc:
Quote by livingonli:
Quote by Raine: OK, right off the bat, it sounds like MArk Green is a hillary supporter.


He is a big Hillary supporter. That's why many on the Sam Seder blog speculate whether there is a "don't attack Hillary" policy directed at the Air America hosts in addition to the criticism of watering down the Air America content with more centrist content (ie Lionel).




Rachel has stated on more than one occasion that she never gets any comments about what she can and can't say on the air. And I defy *anyone* to tell Thom Hartmann what to say.

That is true... I won't deny that at all.



I guess I just expected Green as the president of Air America to at least TRY to appear nuetral.



Comment by livingonli on 02/06/2008 17:29:17
It's almost 60 degrees here in New York.

Comment by wickedpam on 02/06/2008 18:07:46
pocket pundit on with Thom

Comment by Raine on 02/06/2008 18:15:33
Quote by wickedpam: pocket pundit on with Thom


This guy is a former Cheney advisor. that often seems to go unmentioned. He annoys me to no end.

Comment by livingonli on 02/06/2008 19:14:33
And now it's 66 degrees.

Comment by velveeta jones on 02/06/2008 19:15:48
:yawn: okay......... desk is clean, and now to the taxes.



Right after lunch.

Comment by livingonli on 02/06/2008 19:22:12
Lunch is always important.

Comment by velveeta jones on 02/06/2008 19:24:06
Re: Thom reading a libertarian blog: Oh pleeeease, John McCain is an American.



Some people just try anything.........

Comment by velveeta jones on 02/06/2008 19:25:00
Quote by livingonli: And now it's 66 degrees.




See, proof there is no such thing as global climate change..... wait, what month is it again?

Comment by Raine on 02/06/2008 19:25:10
Just take your time VJ. Stop rushing yourself!

Comment by livingonli on 02/06/2008 19:30:14
Quote by velveeta jones:
Quote by livingonli: And now it's 66 degrees.




See, proof there is no such thing as global climate change..... wait, what month is it again?


We were only supposed to get a high of 57 today.

Comment by shelaghc on 02/06/2008 19:30:15
This hurts my heart more than I can say.



The place where I'm temping does NOT recycle. They're the largest employer in Pittsburgh - possibly in Southwestern PA - and not one single scrap of paper, bottle or can is recycled.



Someone help me!

Comment by velveeta jones on 02/06/2008 19:35:16
I missed it, what did Thom say the Barack/Hillary count is?

Comment by BobR on 02/06/2008 19:40:15
Quote by shelaghc: This hurts my heart more than I can say.



The place where I'm temping does NOT recycle. They're the largest employer in Pittsburgh - possibly in Southwestern PA - and not one single scrap of paper, bottle or can is recycled.



Someone help me!


The last company I worked for didn't recycle bottles or cans. I asked the powers in charge if they could set that up in the breakroom. They said the maintenance crew wouldn't recycle them. I told them that if they set up a recycling container in the breakroom, I would take them myself.



They did, and I did.

Comment by TriSec on 02/06/2008 19:41:42
: drags self to keyboard :



Umm, hi?



I was over 102º earlier; I wouldna get too close...



Everybodies got the fever

That is somethin you all know

Fever isn't such a new thing

Fever start long ago

Comment by BobR on 02/06/2008 19:47:10
Quote by TriSec: : drags self to keyboard :



Umm, hi?



I was over 102º earlier; I wouldna get too close...



Everybodies got the fever

That is somethin you all know

Fever isn't such a new thing

Fever start long ago




Comment by livingonli on 02/06/2008 19:50:01
Quote by BobR:
Quote by TriSec: : drags self to keyboard :



Umm, hi?



I was over 102º earlier; I wouldna get too close...



Everybodies got the fever

That is somethin you all know

Fever isn't such a new thing

Fever start long ago




Break out the healing vibes.

Comment by TriSec on 02/06/2008 19:50:40
Jeez, Athena is huge into recycling.



This is actually via our landlord; all the trash from the Arsenal goes to a 'sorting center', and everything that can be recycled is.



The building is full of LEDs and motion sensors to turn off the lights, and we've just started a "green team" to see if there is even more that we can do...



Wow. That's astonishing in this day and age. Not even paper? Plastic bottles? Those are the two easiest...



Comment by shelaghc on 02/06/2008 19:54:31
Quote by BobR:
Quote by shelaghc: This hurts my heart more than I can say.



The place where I'm temping does NOT recycle. They're the largest employer in Pittsburgh - possibly in Southwestern PA - and not one single scrap of paper, bottle or can is recycled.



Someone help me!


The last company I worked for didn't recycle bottles or cans. I asked the powers in charge if they could set that up in the breakroom. They said the maintenance crew wouldn't recycle them. I told them that if they set up a recycling container in the breakroom, I would take them myself.



They did, and I did.




I can appreciate that sort of effort. Unfortunately, this is a hospital and I'm not equipped to handle that level of recycling. Even if I were to attempt just the break room for the department where I'm working I don't think I could manage it.



Maybe there's another way to tackle this.....



Comment by m-hadley on 02/06/2008 19:56:03
Heya gang,

Just thought I'd let you all know that I finished my Post-Super-Tuesday blog entry - the photo of the Obama folks up in Alaska was sent to me by a republican Aleut friend of mine who is thinking of switching over to vote for Barack - yeah Back at work now - gotta get crackin'... take care and enjoy that warm weather (it was 70 degrees here in Tulsa on Monday, but today is a more seasonable 40 degrees).



Comment by livingonli on 02/06/2008 20:04:36
Time to go head off to the salt mine. Tonight I am just board op. in the main room, so it shouldn't be as hectic as last night. And I should get out at Midnight instead of 1:30

Comment by velveeta jones on 02/06/2008 20:08:52
Tri!

Hope you feel better..............



Okay, now for a cup o' coffee. THEN, the taxes.



Oh, people who live in Hotlanta should bolo for mail................

Comment by Raine on 02/06/2008 20:13:22
Randi talking about the widows mite as well.

Comment by shelaghc on 02/06/2008 20:14:55
Quote by TriSec: Jeez, Athena is huge into recycling.



This is actually via our landlord; all the trash from the Arsenal goes to a 'sorting center', and everything that can be recycled is.



The building is full of LEDs and motion sensors to turn off the lights, and we've just started a "green team" to see if there is even more that we can do...



Wow. That's astonishing in this day and age. Not even paper? Plastic bottles? Those are the two easiest...





Apparently a few years back there was a big scuffle in the 'burgh about recycling. The company that was supposed to be delivering the recyclables for recycling was actually just dropping them off in a landfill. Many companies stopped bothering to separate for recycling as a result.



As I understand it, the screwup has been rectified. But this place, humongous as it is, never opted to do anything on its own.

Comment by Raine on 02/06/2008 20:17:24
Quote by velveeta jones: Tri!

Hope you feel better..............



Okay, now for a cup o' coffee. THEN, the taxes.



Oh, people who live in Hotlanta should bolo for mail................


We got Bon Appetite.



:(







Comment by Raine on 02/06/2008 20:19:43
OK, Tri... your fever at that temp is dangerous. PLease tell me that it is dropping... otherwise... well... damn, please call a doctor? 102 is very high, and you spiked last night. I am officially worried.

Comment by Raine on 02/06/2008 20:24:34
Quote by m-hadley: Heya gang,

Just thought I'd let you all know that I finished my Post-Super-Tuesday blog entry - the photo of the Obama folks up in Alaska was sent to me by a republican Aleut friend of mine who is thinking of switching over to vote for Barack - yeah Back at work now - gotta get crackin'... take care and enjoy that warm weather (it was 70 degrees here in Tulsa on Monday, but today is a more seasonable 40 degrees).

MAn, Faye... you have a way with words. I found myself lost in all the posts there.







Comment by Raine on 02/06/2008 20:25:21
:huh: Romney??? Oh you crazy phony.

Comment by Raine on 02/06/2008 20:30:51
Quote by shelaghc:
Quote by BobR:
Quote by shelaghc: This hurts my heart more than I can say.



The place where I'm temping does NOT recycle. They're the largest employer in Pittsburgh - possibly in Southwestern PA - and not one single scrap of paper, bottle or can is recycled.



Someone help me!


The last company I worked for didn't recycle bottles or cans. I asked the powers in charge if they could set that up in the breakroom. They said the maintenance crew wouldn't recycle them. I told them that if they set up a recycling container in the breakroom, I would take them myself.



They did, and I did.




I can appreciate that sort of effort. Unfortunately, this is a hospital and I'm not equipped to handle that level of recycling. Even if I were to attempt just the break room for the department where I'm working I don't think I could manage it.



Maybe there's another way to tackle this.....

An anonymous letter or phone call to a local environemntal gropup that would be willing to recycle the stuff.



A simple kind letter to TPTB saying that iif they put out recylcing containers couples with a group that is willing to pick it up for no charge shoudl do it.







Comment by Raine on 02/06/2008 20:32:22
My spelling sucks, especially when my computer runs slower than my typing. :(



Time to reboot I think. Clear the memory out.

Comment by Raine on 02/06/2008 20:34:33
Quote by livingonli: Time to go head off to the salt mine. Tonight I am just board op. in the main room, so it shouldn't be as hectic as last night. And I should get out at Midnight instead of 1:30
CUL8R Liv.



Hang in.



Comment by Raine on 02/06/2008 20:38:05
I love the fact that Faye, thru Momma, cleared up the Widows Mite thing and Randi is still confused about it.



Although... I think that Randi SHOULD now about this.





Comment by Raine on 02/06/2008 20:39:08
Idaho is a real telling story I think.



80-17% for obama

Comment by velveeta jones on 02/06/2008 20:40:28
Tri, I would like to echo what Raine said. A 102 fever for an adult is dangerous. Take some tylonel and consider a call to the doctor.



Otherwise, I'm signing off for awhile as we got hail and lightning ............. powering down.

Comment by Raine on 02/06/2008 20:42:51
28 house republicans are not running....



How many of those seats will do democratic???



Trent Lott is the biggest story of all.



disaster capitalism. indeed.

Comment by Raine on 02/06/2008 20:45:33
Quote by velveeta jones: Tri, I would like to echo what Raine said. A 102 fever for an adult is dangerous. Take some tylonel and consider a call to the doctor.



Otherwise, I'm signing off for awhile as we got hail and lightning ............. powering down.


STay safe!



And yeah TRi... Listen to us... we ain't your typical worry worts.







Comment by Raine on 02/06/2008 20:47:30
I did. I voted for Edwards. and I am happy to know where my vote went in Georgia. The perfect protest vote that DOES not get wasted.











Comment by Raine on 02/06/2008 20:53:10
March Fourth??? that is NOT about or near 6 weeks. Sorry Randi. NOT 6 weeks. it is less that 30 days. That makes it closer to 4 weeks.







Comment by Raine on 02/06/2008 20:57:59
Super Delagates.. Hmmm... Does that make Joe LIEBERMAN one as well?







Comment by BobR on 02/06/2008 21:06:09
Quote by Raine: Super Delagates.. Hmmm... Does that make Joe LIEBERMAN one as well?



He's a member of the "Lieberman for Connecticut" party, not the Democratic party.

Comment by m-hadley on 02/06/2008 21:11:27
I think of Joe's last name as LieberMe... self-absorbed bastard that he is

Comment by livingonli on 02/06/2008 21:26:55
Quote by m-hadley: I think of Joe's last name as LieberMe... self-absorbed bastard that he is


I'm partial to Lieberweasel myself.

Comment by BobR on 02/06/2008 21:31:34
I think of him as LIEberman

Comment by BobR on 02/06/2008 21:41:14
More tripe from the WSJ... :rolleyes2:

Comment by livingonli on 02/06/2008 21:47:18
Quote by BobR: More tripe from the WSJ... :rolleyes2:


No surprise thee. Under Murdoch's ownership, the WSJ becomes an upper-class version of the NY Post.

Comment by BobR on 02/06/2008 21:55:58
Comment by livingonli on 02/06/2008 23:53:43
Have we set the weekend yet for the meet-up? I would like to know soon so I can put in a vacation request. I'm guessing we are either using the weekend of April 4th or the 11th?

Comment by Mondobubba on 02/07/2008 01:48:06
Hello all laptop ram upgraded. a mere 58 bucks. :metal:

Comment by Mondobubba on 02/07/2008 01:53:06
Quote by TriSec: Jeez, Athena is huge into recycling.



This is actually via our landlord; all the trash from the Arsenal goes to a 'sorting center', and everything that can be recycled is.



The building is full of LEDs and motion sensors to turn off the lights, and we've just started a "green team" to see if there is even more that we can do...



Wow. That's astonishing in this day and age. Not even paper? Plastic bottles? Those are the two easiest...





Ohh so is the evil bank, then are crowing about it all the fucking time. Personally I think it a stealth way to to do cost cutting. For every "green" move they make they crow about the cost savings. So my big question is this, all this crap is nice when are you gonna make it a commercial loan requirement that new construction be green?? Hmmmm? Well? :taps toe:

Comment by Mondobubba on 02/07/2008 01:54:16
Quote by m-hadley: I think of Joe's last name as LieberMe... self-absorbed bastard that he is






-scans- :rofl:

Comment by livingonli on 02/07/2008 01:59:39
Evening Mondo.

Comment by Raine on 02/07/2008 02:12:51
Quote by livingonli: Have we set the weekend yet for the meet-up? I would like to know soon so I can put in a vacation request. I'm guessing we are either using the weekend of April 4th or the 11th?


ok, Liv you are right... we MUST figure this stuff out.



TOMMORROW PLEASE let's All of us figure this one out.



Right now, I am in my salt mine -- trying to get a backup assistant on my old phone ... not fun.



:grumble:

Comment by Raine on 02/07/2008 02:15:03
Quote by livingonli:
Quote by m-hadley: I think of Joe's last name as LieberMe... self-absorbed bastard that he is


I'm partial to Lieberweasel myself.


he sold his soul to the devil who outsourced it to the Bush adminsistration

Comment by Raine on 02/07/2008 02:18:12
Quote by BobR: More tripe from the WSJ... :rolleyes2:


hello pot, kettle calling.

Comment by livingonli on 02/07/2008 02:21:55
Quote by Raine:
Quote by livingonli: Have we set the weekend yet for the meet-up? I would like to know soon so I can put in a vacation request. I'm guessing we are either using the weekend of April 4th or the 11th?


ok, Liv you are right... we MUST figure this stuff out.



TOMMORROW PLEASE let's All of us figure this one out.



Right now, I am in my salt mine -- trying to get a backup assistant on my old phone ... not fun.



:grumble:


I'll have to make sure to remind everyone when I get on the blog in the AM.

Comment by Mondobubba on 02/07/2008 02:35:02
Quote by Raine:
Quote by livingonli: Have we set the weekend yet for the meet-up? I would like to know soon so I can put in a vacation request. I'm guessing we are either using the weekend of April 4th or the 11th?


ok, Liv you are right... we MUST figure this stuff out.



TOMMORROW PLEASE let's All of us figure this one out.



Right now, I am in my salt mine -- trying to get a backup assistant on my old phone ... not fun.



:grumble:






What? You didn't watch the Wire did you?

Comment by livingonli on 02/07/2008 03:02:42
Knicks lost again to Indiana.

Comment by Mondobubba on 02/07/2008 03:20:13
ZMOG! Roland Prezbylewski is on Law And Order playing a bad guy!

Comment by BobR on 02/07/2008 04:22:23
Quote by Mondobubba:





What? You didn't watch the Wire did you?


oh fer chrissake - will you get over it??