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The Conservative Candidates: Liberally misleading.
Author: Raine    Date: 02/23/2012 16:09:06

Ezra Klein's WonkBook takes an in-depth look at what the GOP candidates would do with the deficit. According to the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, all but Ron Paul are running anything close to what one would consider fiscally conservative. From the WonkBook:

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Rick Santorum: "...he would reduce spending by over $2 trillion between 2013 and 2021. Unfortunately, his tax cuts would increase debt by more than $6 trillion over the same period. Net impact: $4.5 trillion in new debt, for a debt-to-GDP ratio of 105 percent."

Newt Gingrich:" ...estimates his spending cuts would shave $2.7 trillion off of the debt. But Gingrich would also spend $1.6 trillion dollars financing new private accounts for Social Security. And his tax cuts would cost more than $7 trillion. Net impact: $7 trillion in new debt, for a debt-to-GDP ratio of, wait for it, 114 percent."

Mitt Romney:" ...more difficult to score. He saves $1.2 trillion by block granting Medicaid and cutting the federal workforce. But his new tax plan doesn't have enough detail to say how much it costs. ... estimates that if the plan isn't paid for at all, it will add $2.6 trillion to the deficit, leaving Romney's debt-to-GDP at 96 percent."

Ron Paul: "His cuts to federal spending are incredibly severe, saving $7.5 trillion. ... his tax cuts cost $5.2 trillion. ... his plan to end the Federal Reserve would rack up $400 billion in transition cost ... he cuts the deficit by $2.2 trillion, and brings debt-to-GDP down to 76 percent."

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These estimates are made on top of the presumption that the Bush tax cuts will become permanent. Klein points out that those cuts cost the nation more than 4.5 TRILLION dollars. While one could consider Ron Paul the only one that is truly fiscally conservative -- I would put forth that he is fiscally irresponsible. His proposals would cause markets to become terribly unstable -- ultimately hurting the economy.

Mr. Klein quotes Alice Rivlin (appointed by President Obama to his National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform):
We don't have to balance the budget. We just have to get to where debt is not growing faster than the economy
Right now, with our economy growing but still fragile, this is a very important point. It's really unfortunate that this wasn't questioned last night during the Arizona debate. Instead it was a lot of pandering to appease social conservatives,and even then -- it offered little on substance. Last night was possibly the last Republican debate we will have to endure this 2012 primary season, and voters were left with little on how each of these candidates would apply their stances. Many of them seem to not have a clear cut and defined opinion.

Each of these candidates are putting forward irresponsible economic and social policies as their vision of our nation. People who support the GOP deserve to know the truth about their policies. It's easy for people to listen to the red meat that was thrown around last night. According to Gingrich, "As long as you're America's enemy - you're safe." He also accused the President of infanticide.
But I just want to point out, you did not once in the 2008 campaign, not once did anybody in the elite media ask why Barack Obama voted in favor of legalizing infanticide. OK? So let's be clear here.
There was no follow up question to clarify this murderous accusation.

Speaking on the issue of contraception, did I mention the crowed booed contraception? Ron Paul said that the use of contraception caused women to become more immoral:
But sort of along the line of the pills creating immorality, I don't see it that way. I think the immorality creates the problem of wanting to use the pills. So you don't blame the pills.

I think it's sort of like the argument -- conservatives use the argument all the time about guns. Guns don't kill, criminals kill.
Rick Santorum seemed to think contraception was the cause of children being born out of wedlock. John King asked the former Senator "When you were campaigning in Iowa, you told an evangelical blog, if elected, you will talk about what - quote, "no president has talked about before -- the dangers of contraception." Why?" This was the reply:
What we're seeing is a problem in our culture with respect to children being raised by children, children being raised out of wedlock, and the impact on society economically, the impact on society with respect to drug use and all -- a host of other things when children have children. ...
Over 40 percent of children born in America are born out of wedlock. How can a country survive if children are being raised in homes where it's so much harder to succeed economically?

Romney, however, took it to a new and even more offensive level:
... this isn't an argument about contraceptives, this is a discussion about, are we going to have a nation which preserves the foundation of the nation, which is the family, or are we not? And Rick is absolutely right.

When you have 40 percent of kids being born out of wedlock, and among certain ethnic groups the vast majority being born out of wedlock, you ask yourself, how are we going to have a society in the future? Because these kids are raised in poverty in many cases, they're in abusive settings. The likelihood of them being able to finish high school or college drops dramatically in single-family homes. And we haven't been willing to talk about this.
I was left wondering -- how exactly does contraception CAUSE single parent households?

Once again they are not being honest about where they stand. They simply pander to some insane ideology that isn't based in truth -- mathematically or logically. There was not one question last night about job creation, something that is of the utmost concern foremost Americans. Truth be told, the word "jobs" was mentioned a total of 4 -- FOUR -- times last night. All mentions were from Newt Gingrich.
Hamilton would have said you have to have jobs and economic growth to get back to a balanced budget. You're never going to balance the budget on the back of a highly unemployed country. And so I would be committed, first of all, to a program of jobs and economic growth.

Second, the energy issue is enormous. The leading developer of North Dakota oil estimated recently that, if we would open up federal land and open up offshore, you would have $16 trillion to $18 trillion -- not billion -- trillion dollars in royalties to the federal government in the next generation, an enormous flow which would drive down prices to $2.50 a gallon, would help us balance the budget and would create millions of jobs.
No explanation of how to get there.

Just to contrast, on Tuesday -- as you know by now, I had the opportunity to stand with the President of the United States thanking Americans for helping him to get the Payroll Tax cut extension passed. The statement took about 10 minutes. I checked the transcript. In those 10 minutes he mentioned the word JOB 10 times. Compare that with a 2 hour GOP debate that mentioned the word four times. It's time for people to know exactly who is serious about making sure our economy grows and heals. It's time for people to know that the GOP is not giving realistic solutions to very real problems that we have in the United States.

I stand with our President. I stand with him when he says:
Instead of spending the coming months in a lot of phony political debates, focusing on the next election, I hope that we spend some time focusing on middle-class Americans and those who are struggling to get into the middle class. We’ve got a lot more work to do. Let’s do it.

Let's get real about the Republican candidates. They may call themselves conservative, but they are liberally misleading everyone.

and
Raine

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Comment by Mondobubba on 02/23/2012 13:54:29
Yeah, which one of these clown college alumni is it going to be?

Comment by Mondobubba on 02/23/2012 13:57:47
Comment by Raine on 02/23/2012 14:06:22
GREAT NEWS!

The Virginia GOP is actually Pulling out:
Sen. Jill Holtzman Vogel ® announced she will seek to strike her controversial “abortion informed consent” bill, rather than accept a watered-down version passed by the House of Delegates.


Comment by wickedpam on 02/23/2012 14:25:27
Morning

Comment by wickedpam on 02/23/2012 14:26:49
Quote by Raine:
GREAT NEWS!

The Virginia GOP is actually Pulling out:
Sen. Jill Holtzman Vogel ® announced she will seek to strike her controversial “abortion informed consent” bill, rather than accept a watered-down version passed by the House of Delegates.



sounds like she has some sour grapes

Comment by Mondobubba on 02/23/2012 14:45:16
Quote by Raine:
GREAT NEWS!

The Virginia GOP is actually Pulling out:
Sen. Jill Holtzman Vogel ® announced she will seek to strike her controversial “abortion informed consent” bill, rather than accept a watered-down version passed by the House of Delegates.



Phrasing!

Comment by Raine on 02/23/2012 14:53:55
Still working on the blog!

(and Mondo -- yes, that was what we call a *PUN* )

Comment by Mondobubba on 02/23/2012 14:56:08
Quote by Raine:
Still working on the blog!

(and Mondo -- yes, that was what we call a *PUN* )



If you were watching "Archer," you would understand the phrasing thing.

Comment by velveeta jones on 02/23/2012 15:05:53
I love this blog!
The posts are just the right length. And the emoticons, not just the regular ones... the smiley, the lol, the sad, but all the unique ones that dot the blog.
I like links!

Comment by wickedpam on 02/23/2012 15:06:46
Quote by velveeta jones:
I love this blog!
The posts are just the right length. And the emoticons, not just the regular ones... the smiley, the lol, the sad, but all the unique ones that dot the blog.
I like links!





Comment by wickedpam on 02/23/2012 15:08:00
Let me guess, they're going back to Boston

Comment by Raine on 02/23/2012 16:12:05
Quote by wickedpam:
Let me guess, they're going back to Boston
I have a feeling they got an HBO gig.


Comment by Raine on 02/23/2012 16:12:56
Quote by velveeta jones:
I love this blog!
The posts are just the right length. And the emoticons, not just the regular ones... the smiley, the lol, the sad, but all the unique ones that dot the blog.
I like links!


I'm just having the edits done now.... Sheesh!



Comment by wickedpam on 02/23/2012 16:15:54
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:
Let me guess, they're going back to Boston
I have a feeling they got an HBO gig.



Well that would be cool, heck even a Comedy Central gig would be good

Comment by Scoopster on 02/23/2012 16:17:13
Mornin' all..

Comment by Raine on 02/23/2012 16:38:33
The Blog has been posted. Sorry it took so long.

I hope you will take a read.

Comment by Raine on 02/23/2012 17:06:42
Blog killed the blog?

That's a first.

Comment by Raine on 02/23/2012 17:08:02
BTW, from last night: (It's since been revealedthat this was a member of the SMS chatroom)

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s320x320/426307_3276440468318_1186660314_33317032_197647418_n.jpg


Comment by BobR on 02/23/2012 17:11:22
Quote by Raine:
Blog killed the blog?

That's a first.

it's a bit meta

Comment by wickedpam on 02/23/2012 17:12:12
Quote by Raine:
Blog killed the blog?

That's a first.



plus I've been fighting with my computer this morning

Comment by Raine on 02/23/2012 17:14:05
Quote by BobR:
Quote by Raine:
Blog killed the blog?

That's a first.

it's a bit meta


I'm sorry.


Comment by livingonli on 02/23/2012 17:22:47
Good day everyone. So, is this when computers go bad that cause these things to happen. I was sluggish getting out of bed until kitty wanted some attention. She can be very loving at times.

Comment by Scoopster on 02/23/2012 17:53:54
Comment by Raine on 02/23/2012 18:30:55
I heard that last night during the debate. IT was the biggest bunch of fear tactics I had seen him use.

Santorum followed up witheven more bullshit lies, stating:
I agree with Governor Romney's comment. I think they are absolutely right on and well spoken. I would say that if you're looking for a president to be elected in this country that will send that very clear message to Iran as to the seriousness of the American public to stop them from getting a nuclear weapon, there would be no better candidate than me because I have been on the trail of Iran and trying to advocate for stopping them getting a nuclear weapon for about eight years now.
Ass.

Ron paul was actually correct on this issue -- he said:
I disagree because we don't know if they have a weapon. As a matter of fact, there's no evidence that they have it. There is no evidence. Israel claims they do not have it and our government doesn't. I don't want them to get a weapon. But I think what we're doing is encouraging them to have a weapon because they feel threatened. If you look at a map of -- if you look at a map of Iran, we have 45 bases around their country, plus our submarines.

The Iranians can't possibly attack anybody. And we're worrying about the possibility of one nuclear weapon. Now, just think about the Cold War. The Soviets had 30,000 of them. And we talked to them. The Soviets killed 100 million people and the Chinese, and we worked our way out of it.

And if you want to worry about nuclear weapons, worry about the nuclear weapons that were left over from the Soviet Union. They're still floating around. They don't have them all detailed. So we're ready to go to war. I say going to war rapidly like this is risky and it's reckless.


As I stated in the blog -- they are disengenuous at best -- at worst they are liars.


Comment by Raine on 02/23/2012 18:47:00
... and don't get me started with Mitt Romney and going to war -- that little turd used his religion as a way to get out of serving -- He was doing missionary work in FRANCE.

From 2007
The former Massachusetts governor, whose supporters object strenuously to any discussion of his religious beliefs, got his military service deferred thanks to the Mormon church.

Like Giuliani and millions of other young American men at the time, Romney started out with student deferments. But he left Stanford after only two semesters in 1966 and would have become eligible for the draft — except that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints in Michigan, his home state, provided him with a fresh deferment as a missionary. According to an excellent investigative series that appeared last month in the Boston Globe, that deferment, which described Romney as a “minister of religion or divinity student,” protected him from the draft between July 1966 and February 1969, when he enrolled in Brigham Young University to complete his undergraduate degree. Mormons in each state could select a limited number of young men upon whom to confer missionary status during the Vietnam years, and Romney was fortunate enough to be chosen. (Coincidentally, or possibly not, Mitt’s father, George W. Romney, was governor of Michigan at the time.)


Even more insulting? He actually had time to protest the ANTI-War protesters when he was 19.

Preppy protester: The moment a 19-year-old Mitt Romney demonstrated in favour of Vietnam War draft
The veteran Republican, then 19, can be seen picketing an anti-war sit-in at Stanford University in Palo Alto, California, in 1966.

Mr Romney will no doubt be proud of his younger self taking what was at the time a very unpopular stance.

... His pro-war son, meanwhile, never served in south-east Asia because his status as a Mormon missionary exempted him from the draft.

The GOP hopeful spent just one year at Stanford before heading to France for 30 months of missionary work.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/01/06/article-2083002-0F5B49E700000578-789_634x689.jpg


Comment by Scoopster on 02/23/2012 18:51:26
What a fucking scumbag.. IF YOU WANT WAR SO BADLY MITT, THEN GIVE UP YOUR EXEMPTION AND FUCKING VOLUNTEER.

Comment by Raine on 02/23/2012 18:55:08
Quote by Scoopster:
What a fucking scumbag.. IF YOU WANT WAR SO BADLY MITT, THEN GIVE UP YOUR EXEMPTION AND FUCKING VOLUNTEER.
Perhaps this is worth a blog post all on it's own.


Comment by wickedpam on 02/23/2012 19:14:54
gawd I hate it when Thom gives air time to these hatful, smary right wingers

Comment by Mondobubba on 02/23/2012 20:30:40
Quote by Raine:
... and don't get me started with Mitt Romney and going to war -- that little turd used his religion as a way to get out of serving -- He was doing missionary work in FRANCE.

From 2007
The former Massachusetts governor, whose supporters object strenuously to any discussion of his religious beliefs, got his military service deferred thanks to the Mormon church.

Like Giuliani and millions of other young American men at the time, Romney started out with student deferments. But he left Stanford after only two semesters in 1966 and would have become eligible for the draft — except that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints in Michigan, his home state, provided him with a fresh deferment as a missionary. According to an excellent investigative series that appeared last month in the Boston Globe, that deferment, which described Romney as a “minister of religion or divinity student,” protected him from the draft between July 1966 and February 1969, when he enrolled in Brigham Young University to complete his undergraduate degree. Mormons in each state could select a limited number of young men upon whom to confer missionary status during the Vietnam years, and Romney was fortunate enough to be chosen. (Coincidentally, or possibly not, Mitt’s father, George W. Romney, was governor of Michigan at the time.)


Even more insulting? He actually had time to protest the ANTI-War protesters when he was 19.

Preppy protester: The moment a 19-year-old Mitt Romney demonstrated in favour of Vietnam War draft
The veteran Republican, then 19, can be seen picketing an anti-war sit-in at Stanford University in Palo Alto, California, in 1966.

Mr Romney will no doubt be proud of his younger self taking what was at the time a very unpopular stance.

... His pro-war son, meanwhile, never served in south-east Asia because his status as a Mormon missionary exempted him from the draft.

The GOP hopeful spent just one year at Stanford before heading to France for 30 months of missionary work.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/01/06/article-2083002-0F5B49E700000578-789_634x689.jpg



Ya know, the more I read about Romney, the bigger a dick he becomes. He will say or do anything to get elected to office.

Comment by Mondobubba on 02/23/2012 20:32:10
And another thing Mitt, you didn't have the intellectual fortatude to keep going at Stanford?

Comment by livingonli on 02/23/2012 20:34:48
Mitt could so fit into those old characterizations of the upper class of the gilded age that me and mgm used to do on the old blog

Comment by Raine on 02/23/2012 20:36:14
The zygote personhood bill has been shot down in the Virginia house!

(it will come back next year) but for now --- IT IS DEAD!!!!

Comment by wickedpam on 02/23/2012 20:36:45
Quote by Raine:
The zygote personhood bill has been shot down in the Virginia house!

(it will come back next year) but for now --- IT IS DEAD!!!!



so who/what killed it for this year?

Comment by Raine on 02/23/2012 21:06:36
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Raine:
The zygote personhood bill has been shot down in the Virginia house!

(it will come back next year) but for now --- IT IS DEAD!!!!



so who/what killed it for this year?
I posted it overon F/Crack.

Basically, Sen. Saslaw's motion was to carry it overto nextyear.


Comment by Mondobubba on 02/23/2012 21:07:11
Quote by Raine:
The zygote personhood bill has been shot down in the Virginia house!

(it will come back next year) but for now --- IT IS DEAD!!!!



Women of VA FTW!

Comment by Raine on 02/23/2012 21:10:40
In a stunning turn of events, the Virginia Senate has voted 24-14 to scuttle a bill that would have given fertilized eggs the same legal rights as people.

Sen. Richard L. Saslaw, D-Fairfax, proposed that House Bill 1, which had passed the Senate Education and Health Committee earlier today on an 8-7 party line vote, be sent back to the committee and carried over to the 2013 legislative session for further discussion and deliberation.

Then Sen. Thomas K. Norment Jr., R-James City, the Republican leader of the Senate, rose to support the motion, saying that the issues raised by the bill are more complex and far-reaching than previously thought and merit further study.
From The Times DisPAtch

Comment by Mondobubba on 02/23/2012 21:14:52
Quote by Raine:
In a stunning turn of events, the Virginia Senate has voted 24-14 to scuttle a bill that would have given fertilized eggs the same legal rights as people.

Sen. Richard L. Saslaw, D-Fairfax, proposed that House Bill 1, which had passed the Senate Education and Health Committee earlier today on an 8-7 party line vote, be sent back to the committee and carried over to the 2013 legislative session for further discussion and deliberation.

Then Sen. Thomas K. Norment Jr., R-James City, the Republican leader of the Senate, rose to support the motion, saying that the issues raised by the bill are more complex and far-reaching than previously thought and merit further study.
From The Times DisPAtch



Yeah Sen. Norment, the abuse you and your GOP collegues in other state have gotten in social media that past few weeks is making you back off, isn't it?

Comment by Scoopster on 02/23/2012 21:22:02
Quote by Raine:
In a stunning turn of events, the Virginia Senate has voted 24-14 to scuttle a bill that would have given fertilized eggs the same legal rights as people.

Sen. Richard L. Saslaw, D-Fairfax, proposed that House Bill 1, which had passed the Senate Education and Health Committee earlier today on an 8-7 party line vote, be sent back to the committee and carried over to the 2013 legislative session for further discussion and deliberation.

Then Sen. Thomas K. Norment Jr., R-James City, the Republican leader of the Senate, rose to support the motion, saying that the issues raised by the bill are more complex and far-reaching than previously thought and merit further study.
From The Times DisPAtch



Comment by Raine on 02/23/2012 21:26:03
Even tho it's on the docket for next year -- I highly doubt they will revisit it -- next year is an election year.

Comment by Mondobubba on 02/23/2012 21:26:57
Here's my question. Didn't these asshats in Virginia see the zygote personhood amendment go down in flames in Mississippi? Did they think that the good citizens of VA would not notice what the hell they were doing?

Comment by Raine on 02/23/2012 21:29:56
This gives me a clue about how poor some peopleare at governing:
Then Sen. Thomas K. Norment Jr., R-James City, the Republican leader of the Senate, rose to support the motion, saying that the issues raised by the bill are more complex and far-reaching than previously thought and merit further study.


Here's an Idea -- Try studying the bill before you propose it OR -- even more importantly-- VOTE on it.

I just can't understand this. They really figured this out THIS late in the damn game? Seems to me every democrat in the state hose had a pretty good idea what this was about and what it entailed.

As a matter of fact, if it were not for them -- NO ONE would have known!

Comment by Raine on 02/23/2012 21:32:23
Quote by Mondobubba:
Here's my question. Didn't these asshats in Virginia see the zygote personhood amendment go down in flames in Mississippi? Did they think that the good citizens of VA would not notice what the hell they were doing?
I don't think they cared. I honestly have a feeling they were trying to OUT Conservative Mississippi.


Comment by Raine on 02/23/2012 22:49:02
Randi is making an AMAZING point.


Why do religions think they have a right to impose their policies on government?
while the GOP candidates are busy -- along with the rest of the GOP-- claiming that Obama is infringing upon the rights of religion, why has NO ONE (besides Randi) Asked why religion thinks it can impose itself into government?

Comment by livingonli on 02/23/2012 23:43:02
And tonight Linsanity goes to South Beach. Fortunately, TNT is doing this game so we are not involved. Otherwise, we would have been promoting it for week. I hear that the scalpers are getting more money for this than even the NBA Finals a few months ago.