WASHINGTON -- Private Clifton Hicks reopened painful memories as he recalled how his unit in Iraq had raced out to aid fellow US soldiers who had come under fire, only to have to clumsily sweep up the tragic results of a furious counterattack.
"A patrol of 82nd airborne infantry guys in Humvees with machineguns on either side were attacked from the left by two or three insurgents," Hicks said, staring vacantly ahead as he gave testimony at "Winter Soldier," organized by Iraq Veterans against the War (IVAW).
"Some of the guys also heard gunfire from the right, where there was housing for disabled families from the Iraqi army. So the whole platoon returned fire in both directions," he said.
Three people at a wedding party inside the house were hit. "An old man was slightly wounded. A girl of 10 was slightly wounded. A girl of six was dead," said Hicks.
"She had been shot by a bunch of teenage American kids."
The 82nd left Hicks's unit to call the casualties in to the tactical operations center. "They told us: 'Charlie Mike.' That's military jargon for continue mission," he said.
"We had fired automatic weapons into the middle of a wedding party, wounding and killing several guests, and we were told to drive away and forget about it."
Hicks was one of scores of US soldiers who, on the eve of the fifth anniversary of the US-led invasion of Iraq, delved into wounded memories and gave testimony at "Winter Soldier" about what they had seen and done in Iraq.
Their stories painted a verbal equivalent of Picasso's Guernica, recounting violence unleashed on civilians on superiors' orders, of corruption eating away at society, of bungled raids and botched counter-attacks followed by succinct orders to "Charlie Mike".
Bombing a village into submission or "free-fire" orders -- carte blanche to open fire on anything and everything -- were not uncommon, the soldiers said, even if both go against the US military's rules of engagement, which state that positive identification is required before an attack is launched.
"Positive identification means you have reasonable certainty that your target is a legitimate military target," former Marine Adam Kokesh said.
Private Steve Casey recalled how his commanding officer once said "there were 'no friendlies'" in a residential area and announced: "Game on, all weapons free."
"I saw personal weapons fired into windshields and radiators of cars," he said, his gaze fixed on a spot on the floor.
The majority of victims of that operation were not the 700-800 enemy combatants claimed by officials but "civilians trying to flee the battleground," he added.
The soldiers praised their "battle buddies" and the troops currently in Iraq, as a few dozen pro-war demonstrators outside the venue denounced the testifiers as traitors and liars.
"I have not come here to pass judgment on my fellow soldiers; I am here to pass judgment on war itself," said Hicks.
Luis Montalvan, a 34-year-old former captain with a chestful of medals and two Iraq tours under his belt, said he joined the anti-war movement to denounce the statements put forward by high-ranking officials in Iraq, and the rampant corruption.
"General Petraeus and company have done everything they can do to propagate to the American public that 30,000 American troops have brought a reduction in violence," said Montalvan, who left the military last year after 17 years' service.
"They claim a reduction of violence in Baghdad. Well, 70 percent of residents have fled, so no wonder," he said.
He also accused the US of skewing the civilian death toll to give credence to the surge.
"Every time a bomb goes off, the Americans count a smaller number of dead and wounded than the Iraqis. This is to skew the statistics to suggest the surge is successful," Montalvan said.
He added that US generals have no oversight over American contractors in Iraq, some of whom get billions of US taxpayer dollars to procure and distribute weapons for the Iraqi security forces, but refuse to work with US soldiers on the ground.
Montalvan, who is now tied to a cocktail of medications for ailments ranging from post-traumatic stress disorder to chronic pain resulting from an attack, slammed the Bush administration for "perpetrating high crimes and misdemeanors, committing dereliction of duty, lies and mismanagement" in Iraq.
As the medals on his chest caught a glint of spring sunlight, he called on Americans to "vote the right way" in the November presidential election.
"Vote for the candidate who is most likely to extricate us from Iraq," he said.
The presence of both Vice President Dick Cheney and Sen. John McCain in Baghdad today – indeed CNN’s John King reports their parties almost crossed paths in the old presidential palace of Saddam Hussein – will offer plenty of fodder for the Democrats portraying McCain’s candidacy as “McBush,’’ a third term for President Bush.
Cheney, who made a surprise landing at Baghdad today “as we mark the fifth anniversary of the beginning of the campaign that liberated the people of Iraq from Saddam Hussein’s tyranny,’’ offered this public report at the prime minister's residence: “I was last in Baghdad 10 months ago, and I can sense as a result of the progress that's been made since then that there have been some phenomenal changes, in terms of the overall situation, both with respect to the security situation, where Iraqi and American forces have done some very good work, as well as with respect to political developments here in Iraq.’’
And McCain, who landed in Baghdad on Sunday, offered similar optimism today about improving prospects in Iraq. The Republican Party’s presumptive presidential nominee also sharply criticized the Democratic candidates for pledging to withdraw U.S. troops – a scenario which, the senator from Arizona said, will only result in al Qaeda declaring victory in Iraq and “following’’ U.S. forces home.
Democratic Sen. Hillary Clinton, speaking at George Washington University today, said: “Sen. McCain would gladly accept the torch and stay the course, keeping troops in Iraq for up to 100 years if necessary.
“That in a nutshell is the Bush-McCain Iraq policy – don’t learn from your mistakes, repeat them,’’ Clinton said. “We can have hundreds of thousands of troops on the ground for a hundred years, but that doesn’t change the fact that there is no political solution to the situation in Iraq. Sen. McCain and President Bush claim withdrawal is defeat. Let’s be clear, withdrawal is not defeat. Defeat is keeping troops in Iraq for 100 years.”
"Well,'' McCain told CNN's King in an interview aired today, "all I can say is that she obviously does not understand nor appreciate the progress that has been made on the ground. She told Gen. Petraeus last year when he testified that she would have to suspend disbelief in order to believe that the surge is working. Well, the surge is working.
"So I just think what that means is al Qaeda wins,'' he said. "They tell the world that. And we fight here again and around the Middle East. And their dedication is to follow us home.''
At least 43 people, including seven Iranians were killed in Karbala when an explosion, possibly perpetrated by a female suicide bomber, blasted a coffee shop. Another 73 people were wounded. Meanwhile, Sadrists are asking the central government for relief from persecution by local officials. Followers of Shi'ite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr are observing a unilateral ceasefire but are allowed by him to defend themselves if needed.
In Baghdad, five youngsters were killed and 11 others were wounded when mortar shells fell upon a soccer field. A bomb on a minibus killed three people and wounded 11 in the Karrada district. In Mansour, a bomb killed a policeman and wounded a second one as they were on patrol, and a separate explosion wounded one person. A roadside bomb in Zayouna wounded three people. A policeman was arrested under suspicion of planting a bomb a week ago. Two other roadside bombs left no casualties. Mortars and rockets landing in the Green Zone also left no casualties. Also, three dumped bodies were recovered.
In Mosul, shelling left two wounded in a central neighborhood. A car bomb near a police patrol in western Mosul injured six people. Another bomb left no casualties. Also, three unidentified bodies were discovered.
The bodies of three Awakening Council (Sahwa) members were found in Udhaim.
A policeman was gunned down at a checkpoint in Haditha.
An IED wounded two civilians in Kirkuk.
The U.S. consulate in Babel came under Katyusha rocket attack, but no casualties were reported.
A policeman was killed in central Basra. Also, a female body was brought in to the morgue.
U.S. forces killed two al-Qaeda suspects in central Iraq.
Fallujah police killed an al-Qaeda suspect north of the city.
Four bodies were found in Madaen.
A Sahwa member was injured during an attack on a checkpoint in al-Alam.
In Kirkuk, eight suspects were arrested. Another 25 were detained in Arab Kashkul.
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For those of you that were wondering. . . ( i know you are on the edge of your seats ) my date on Saturday was phenomonal. I am completely smitten, as is she. . .
:wub2:
Date #2 is tonight. I am cooking dinner. Hubba hubba.
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:rofl: where did that FU sound clip come from?
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Senator Clinton either misspoke or is just flat wrong when she says "but that doesn’t change the fact that there is no political solution to the situation in Iraq".
Correction: There is no military solution to the situation in Iraq. A political solution (i.e.: a diplomatic solution) is the only one that has any chance of succeeding...
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You know I actually was wondering last night! I am so SO happy to hear this news!
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Butterflies are the best!
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Go Sanchez!!
He's in a state.
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For those of you that were wondering. . . ( i know you are on the edge of your seats ) my date on Saturday was phenomonal. I am completely smitten, as is she. . .
:wub2:
Date #2 is tonight. I am cooking dinner. Hubba hubba.
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For those of you that were wondering. . . ( i know you are on the edge of your seats ) my date on Saturday was phenomonal. I am completely smitten, as is she. . .
:wub2:
Date #2 is tonight. I am cooking dinner. Hubba hubba.
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For those of you that were wondering. . . ( i know you are on the edge of your seats ) my date on Saturday was phenomonal. I am completely smitten, as is she. . .
:wub2:
Date #2 is tonight. I am cooking dinner. Hubba hubba.
Awwww. That's so cute!! I got the Tweety tingly leg thingy just reading that. :rofl:
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Awwww. That's so cute!! I got the Tweety tingly leg thingy just reading that. :rofl:
"We bombed Hiroshima,
we bombed Nagasaki,
and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye,"
"We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans,
and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards.
America's chickens are coming home to roost,"
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Waiting for Obama to talk. This is such a stupid topic. HELLLOOO? Jerry Falwell/John McCain? Pat Robertson/John McCain? Has anyone beat these stories to death like this one? No?
Didn't think so :rage:
Hey! Here's an idea.......... why don't some of these "reporters" go to the church and experience it? Hmmmm?
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Waiting for Obama to talk. This is such a stupid topic. HELLLOOO? Jerry Falwell/John McCain? Pat Robertson/John McCain? Has anyone beat these stories to death like this one? No?
Didn't think so :rage:
Hey! Here's an idea.......... why don't some of these "reporters" go to the church and experience it? Hmmmm?
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Waiting for Obama to talk. This is such a stupid topic. HELLLOOO? Jerry Falwell/John McCain? Pat Robertson/John McCain? Has anyone beat these stories to death like this one? No?
Didn't think so :rage:
Hey! Here's an idea.......... why don't some of these "reporters" go to the church and experience it? Hmmmm?
Oh VJ...you're so naive; Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson are white. They can say whatever they want.
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He's not going to do something stupid like pull out is he?
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AH! Shit....I can't get SM.com is it on CSPAN??? F*ck!
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I can't get the steph stream at work!
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I can't get the steph stream at work!
Neither can I.
I wonder what I missed? :(
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JD, I have come to supporting Barack after being a devout edwards supporter, but I must say that while my journey took a while, I to am very glad to say that I am a Barack Obama Supporter.
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Out of the ballpark.
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Blog shout out! Woot.
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Blog shout out! Woot.
What did I miss? I had the sound down.
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Blog shout out! Woot.
What did I miss? I had the sound down.
She just said "He's hitting out of the ballpark. That seems to be the consesus."
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I have to tell you something very touching.
Right now in our front yard, there are a few men doing work on the lawn. I have the window open. They asked me if it wouldn't be too much to turn up the sound so they can listen as they work. They actually STOPPED to listen to this speech.
Yes, this speech seems to be THAT powerful.
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I have to tell you something very touching.
Right now in our front yard, there are a few men doing work on the lawn. I have the window open. They asked me if it wouldn't be too much to turn up the sound so they can listen as they work. They actually STOPPED to listen to this speech.
Yes, this speech seems to be THAT powerful.
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I'm turning off cnn at the moment, but they've already started a cynical spin focused solely on his dealing with the Wright statements. Unbelievable. For shame, Wolf.
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WOW! Ya'll that was a 4 hanky speech!!
Brilliant!!!
:clap: :bow:
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I am on hold,
(have I mentioned how much I love the fair rebekah?)
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:cry:
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IT REALLY was amazing!
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You wouldn't normally think of landscapers being that interested, expecially to the point of stopping what they're doing to listen to a political speech from a presidential candidate.
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IT REALLY was amazing!
You wouldn't normally think of landscapers being that interested, expecially to the point of stopping what they're doing to listen to a political speech from a presidential candidate.
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IT REALLY was amazing!
You wouldn't normally think of landscapers being that interested, expecially to the point of stopping what they're doing to listen to a political speech from a presidential candidate.
Can I ask a question? Were they white? I am just wondering, because I have to say, if not that would just drive the point home, that Obama is truly uniting us.
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IT REALLY was amazing!
You wouldn't normally think of landscapers being that interested, expecially to the point of stopping what they're doing to listen to a political speech from a presidential candidate.
Can I ask a question? Were they white? I am just wondering, because I have to say, if not that would just drive the point home, that Obama is truly uniting us.
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I don't know what happened, but all I got was 15 - 20 minutes of commercials during the last part of today's show. Glad I've got the StephCast..
Glad you made it on the air Raine - can't wait to hear what you had to say...
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I don't know what happened, but all I got was 15 - 20 minutes of commercials during the last part of today's show. Glad I've got the StephCast..
Glad you made it on the air Raine - can't wait to hear what you had to say...
Quote by starling310: I really hope the "Hillary Camp" and the rest of America will get the point. It's a point that needs to be heard.
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Not in response to the speech, but really: Fox anchor likens Obama pastor to Hitler
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You know, we had the chance to listen to Drew Westin.
I hope that when Bobber gets back, he bumps his blog about that night. :peace:
I only heard a portion of the speech, but I MUST hear all of it and read it.
Seldom have I heard words so eloquent and passionate. Barack Obama showed great maturity, wisdom, and courage in embracing those around him - such as Reverend Jeremiah Wright and his own grandmother - who, like all of us, are far from perfect, but still worthy of our respect and our love.
From all that I have heard, Barack Obama touched on the issues of race and class in our society in ways that few national figures have done. My living memory only dates back to the late 1960s, yet I think that we have to go back to an era when compassionate men of courage like John Fitzgerald Kennedy, Malcom X, Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr, and Robert Fitzgerald Kennedy grappled with themselves and and the problems of our society to encourage us to become our best selves, and to treat others with integrity, respect, justice and love.
I do not think Barack Obama is perfect, nor any human being is perfect. Yet I think today Barack Obama raised the level of dialogue in this country and had the courage to address issues that we are afraid to face, such as race and class. Yes, the right wing will spin this and try to say that Obama has done enough. I say that he has done far more than what he had to diffuse a difficult situation and in doing so has laid down a challenge to the other candidates and to all America - address the deep divides in this country so that we can heal and truly become one America, where people are judged solely on the content of their character, not the color of their skin or their personal wealth, and on their accomplishments. So, if nothing else, Barack Obama has reminded us of a dream, a dream too often deferred, but one that I will aspire to make real within my life and times.
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Raine - I emailed the isolated mp3 clip of you on SMS this AM...
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MSNBC is running a clip of Rush's reaction.
And why are they wasting so much time on Patterson's affairs. Both him and the wife were having maritial problems at the time. Can we just move on?
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You know, we had the chance to listen to Drew Westin.
I hope that when Bobber gets back, he bumps his blog about that night. :peace:
Drew Westen - author, psychology prof? NPR guy?
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You know, we had the chance to listen to Drew Westin.
I hope that when Bobber gets back, he bumps his blog about that night. :peace:
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I liked the idea that, as a nation, we continue to strive towards "a more perfect union"
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You know, we had the chance to listen to Drew Westin.
I hope that when Bobber gets back, he bumps his blog about that night. :peace:
Drew Westen - author, psychology prof? NPR guy?
This guy,Thom also wrote a book about this subject.
Thanks Shano! Bobber can get it up later, when he gets back from lunch.
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Bobber can get it up later, when he gets back from lunch.
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Wow, Shane-o, he was your professor? VERY cool.
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You know, we had the chance to listen to Drew Westin.
I hope that when Bobber gets back, he bumps his blog about that night. :peace:
Drew Westen - author, psychology prof? NPR guy?
This guy,Thom also wrote a book about this subject.
Thanks Shano! Bobber can get it up later, when he gets back from lunch.
That's who I thought you might be referring to. He was one of my professors in undergrad - really great guy. After our final, a few friends and I put a note under his office door inviting him out for an "after-exam" beer. He actually showed up!
Students at UofM worshiped him - and when he was denied tenure (as UofM's policy then was to not grant tenure to alumni) the students went nuts - petitions and all. I think he went on to Harvard - then Emory. But once in a while I do see him on the TeeVee...
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By the way, the Huffington Post has the text of Obama's speech.
Starling310, thank you for the compliment.
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By the way, the Huffington Post has the text of Obama's speech.
Starling310, thank you for the compliment.
Please...call me star.
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By the way, the Huffington Post has the text of Obama's speech.
Starling310, thank you for the compliment.
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By the way, the Huffington Post has the text of Obama's speech.
Starling310, thank you for the compliment.
Please...call me star.
Just don't call her jiggles.
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Sweet Cheeks, maybe.
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By the way, the Huffington Post has the text of Obama's speech.
Starling310, thank you for the compliment.
So does FourFreedoms... ;)
For we have a choice in this country. We can accept a politics that breeds division, and conflict, and cynicism. We can tackle race only as spectacle – as we did in the OJ trial – or in the wake of tragedy, as we did in the aftermath of Katrina - or as fodder for the nightly news. We can play Reverend Wright’s sermons on every channel, every day and talk about them from now until the election, and make the only question in this campaign whether or not the American people think that I somehow believe or sympathize with his most offensive words. We can pounce on some gaffe by a Hillary supporter as evidence that she’s playing the race card, or we can speculate on whether white men will all flock to John McCain in the general election regardless of his policies.
We can do that.
But if we do, I can tell you that in the next election, we’ll be talking about some other distraction. And then another one. And then another one. And nothing will change.
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Somewhere, on a distant, dusty shore, the dessicated remains of a blogger await discovery by a future archeologist to ponder just what he was doing here, miles from civilization, covered in salt, and his mysterious belongings strewn about him...
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This guy,Thom also wrote a book about this subject.
Thanks Shano! Bobber can get it up later, when he gets back from lunch.
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This guy,Thom also wrote a book about this subject.
Thanks Shano! Bobber can get it up later, when he gets back from lunch.
I finally got it up
(insert Cialis joke here... but not for more than 4 hours...)
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Over at UNN, Sensischolar has an excellent blog piece on Obama's speech. (I hope that his daughter will see the world that Obama spoke of today.)
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I don't know what happened, but all I got was 15 - 20 minutes of commercials during the last part of today's show. Glad I've got the StephCast..
Glad you made it on the air Raine - can't wait to hear what you had to say...
It was pretty much what I posted here, except y'all get to listen to my emotions.
OMG. Seriously, I am very happy that I got a chance to vote for Edwards, knowing that my vote went to BArack.