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Author: TriSec    Date: 03/18/2008 10:39:42

Good Morning.

Tomorrow is the 5th anniversary of our invasion of Iraq. We've been there 1,826 days since then.

We'll start, as we always do, with the latest casualty figures from Antiwar.com:

American Deaths
Since war began (3/19/03): 3990
Since "Mission Accomplished" (5/1/03): 3851
Since Capture of Saddam (12/13/03): 3529
Since Handover (6/29/04): 3131
Since Election (1/31/05): 2553

Other Coalition Troops: 308
US Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 487


Of course, the war 'budget' keeps on hemorrhaging.
We find this morning's Cost of War passing through: $ 503, 530, 900, 000.00



Have you been following the "Winter Soldier II" hearings? (of course you have, since you heard about them here!) Given the utter lack of coverage by the mainstream media, you'd think nothing was going on at all. It's not easy to listen to or read, but it's devastatingly important...

I ran "Winter Soldier" through Google News, and it returns about 10 pages of hits. Slate.com is at the top, followed by several foreign news sources, then Human Events.com, a sickening conservative rag that denounced the whole thing. Of course, we know better.

Here's just a snippet of the testimony, as reported on Inquirer.net, a Filipino website.
WASHINGTON -- Private Clifton Hicks reopened painful memories as he recalled how his unit in Iraq had raced out to aid fellow US soldiers who had come under fire, only to have to clumsily sweep up the tragic results of a furious counterattack.

"A patrol of 82nd airborne infantry guys in Humvees with machineguns on either side were attacked from the left by two or three insurgents," Hicks said, staring vacantly ahead as he gave testimony at "Winter Soldier," organized by Iraq Veterans against the War (IVAW).

"Some of the guys also heard gunfire from the right, where there was housing for disabled families from the Iraqi army. So the whole platoon returned fire in both directions," he said.

Three people at a wedding party inside the house were hit. "An old man was slightly wounded. A girl of 10 was slightly wounded. A girl of six was dead," said Hicks.
"She had been shot by a bunch of teenage American kids."

The 82nd left Hicks's unit to call the casualties in to the tactical operations center. "They told us: 'Charlie Mike.' That's military jargon for continue mission," he said.

"We had fired automatic weapons into the middle of a wedding party, wounding and killing several guests, and we were told to drive away and forget about it."

Hicks was one of scores of US soldiers who, on the eve of the fifth anniversary of the US-led invasion of Iraq, delved into wounded memories and gave testimony at "Winter Soldier" about what they had seen and done in Iraq.

Their stories painted a verbal equivalent of Picasso's Guernica, recounting violence unleashed on civilians on superiors' orders, of corruption eating away at society, of bungled raids and botched counter-attacks followed by succinct orders to "Charlie Mike".

Bombing a village into submission or "free-fire" orders -- carte blanche to open fire on anything and everything -- were not uncommon, the soldiers said, even if both go against the US military's rules of engagement, which state that positive identification is required before an attack is launched.

"Positive identification means you have reasonable certainty that your target is a legitimate military target," former Marine Adam Kokesh said.

Private Steve Casey recalled how his commanding officer once said "there were 'no friendlies'" in a residential area and announced: "Game on, all weapons free."

"I saw personal weapons fired into windshields and radiators of cars," he said, his gaze fixed on a spot on the floor.

The majority of victims of that operation were not the 700-800 enemy combatants claimed by officials but "civilians trying to flee the battleground," he added.

The soldiers praised their "battle buddies" and the troops currently in Iraq, as a few dozen pro-war demonstrators outside the venue denounced the testifiers as traitors and liars.

"I have not come here to pass judgment on my fellow soldiers; I am here to pass judgment on war itself," said Hicks.

Luis Montalvan, a 34-year-old former captain with a chestful of medals and two Iraq tours under his belt, said he joined the anti-war movement to denounce the statements put forward by high-ranking officials in Iraq, and the rampant corruption.

"General Petraeus and company have done everything they can do to propagate to the American public that 30,000 American troops have brought a reduction in violence," said Montalvan, who left the military last year after 17 years' service.

"They claim a reduction of violence in Baghdad. Well, 70 percent of residents have fled, so no wonder," he said.

He also accused the US of skewing the civilian death toll to give credence to the surge.

"Every time a bomb goes off, the Americans count a smaller number of dead and wounded than the Iraqis. This is to skew the statistics to suggest the surge is successful," Montalvan said.

He added that US generals have no oversight over American contractors in Iraq, some of whom get billions of US taxpayer dollars to procure and distribute weapons for the Iraqi security forces, but refuse to work with US soldiers on the ground.

Montalvan, who is now tied to a cocktail of medications for ailments ranging from post-traumatic stress disorder to chronic pain resulting from an attack, slammed the Bush administration for "perpetrating high crimes and misdemeanors, committing dereliction of duty, lies and mismanagement" in Iraq.

As the medals on his chest caught a glint of spring sunlight, he called on Americans to "vote the right way" in the November presidential election.

"Vote for the candidate who is most likely to extricate us from Iraq," he said.



Of course, it was our friends at IAVA that organized the whole thing, and they have a website about it. You can read more about the hearings, and watch the video testimony at Winter Soldier.



Since it's political season, it's de rigeur for sitting politicos to make their photo-op trips to Iraq. Sen. McCain is there right now...as is VP Cheney. But for what purpose, one wonders?
The presence of both Vice President Dick Cheney and Sen. John McCain in Baghdad today – indeed CNN’s John King reports their parties almost crossed paths in the old presidential palace of Saddam Hussein – will offer plenty of fodder for the Democrats portraying McCain’s candidacy as “McBush,’’ a third term for President Bush.

Cheney, who made a surprise landing at Baghdad today “as we mark the fifth anniversary of the beginning of the campaign that liberated the people of Iraq from Saddam Hussein’s tyranny,’’ offered this public report at the prime minister's residence: “I was last in Baghdad 10 months ago, and I can sense as a result of the progress that's been made since then that there have been some phenomenal changes, in terms of the overall situation, both with respect to the security situation, where Iraqi and American forces have done some very good work, as well as with respect to political developments here in Iraq.’’

And McCain, who landed in Baghdad on Sunday, offered similar optimism today about improving prospects in Iraq. The Republican Party’s presumptive presidential nominee also sharply criticized the Democratic candidates for pledging to withdraw U.S. troops – a scenario which, the senator from Arizona said, will only result in al Qaeda declaring victory in Iraq and “following’’ U.S. forces home.

Democratic Sen. Hillary Clinton, speaking at George Washington University today, said: “Sen. McCain would gladly accept the torch and stay the course, keeping troops in Iraq for up to 100 years if necessary.

“That in a nutshell is the Bush-McCain Iraq policy – don’t learn from your mistakes, repeat them,’’ Clinton said. “We can have hundreds of thousands of troops on the ground for a hundred years, but that doesn’t change the fact that there is no political solution to the situation in Iraq. Sen. McCain and President Bush claim withdrawal is defeat. Let’s be clear, withdrawal is not defeat. Defeat is keeping troops in Iraq for 100 years.”

"Well,'' McCain told CNN's King in an interview aired today, "all I can say is that she obviously does not understand nor appreciate the progress that has been made on the ground. She told Gen. Petraeus last year when he testified that she would have to suspend disbelief in order to believe that the surge is working. Well, the surge is working.

"So I just think what that means is al Qaeda wins,'' he said. "They tell the world that. And we fight here again and around the Middle East. And their dedication is to follow us home.''


For the Iraqis, of course...it matters little who visits, or why. For them...the beat goes on...
At least 43 people, including seven Iranians were killed in Karbala when an explosion, possibly perpetrated by a female suicide bomber, blasted a coffee shop. Another 73 people were wounded. Meanwhile, Sadrists are asking the central government for relief from persecution by local officials. Followers of Shi'ite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr are observing a unilateral ceasefire but are allowed by him to defend themselves if needed.

In Baghdad, five youngsters were killed and 11 others were wounded when mortar shells fell upon a soccer field. A bomb on a minibus killed three people and wounded 11 in the Karrada district. In Mansour, a bomb killed a policeman and wounded a second one as they were on patrol, and a separate explosion wounded one person. A roadside bomb in Zayouna wounded three people. A policeman was arrested under suspicion of planting a bomb a week ago. Two other roadside bombs left no casualties. Mortars and rockets landing in the Green Zone also left no casualties. Also, three dumped bodies were recovered.

In Mosul, shelling left two wounded in a central neighborhood. A car bomb near a police patrol in western Mosul injured six people. Another bomb left no casualties. Also, three unidentified bodies were discovered.

The bodies of three Awakening Council (Sahwa) members were found in Udhaim.

A policeman was gunned down at a checkpoint in Haditha.

An IED wounded two civilians in Kirkuk.

The U.S. consulate in Babel came under Katyusha rocket attack, but no casualties were reported.

A policeman was killed in central Basra. Also, a female body was brought in to the morgue.

U.S. forces killed two al-Qaeda suspects in central Iraq.

Fallujah police killed an al-Qaeda suspect north of the city.

Four bodies were found in Madaen.

A Sahwa member was injured during an attack on a checkpoint in al-Alam.

In Kirkuk, eight suspects were arrested. Another 25 were detained in Arab Kashkul.

 

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Comment by BobR on 03/18/2008 12:11:05
Before I forget...



Please note the new audicon:



stephFU:

Comment by BobR on 03/18/2008 12:18:00
Senator Clinton either misspoke or is just flat wrong when she says "but that doesn’t change the fact that there is no political solution to the situation in Iraq".



Correction: There is no military solution to the situation in Iraq. A political solution (i.e.: a diplomatic solution) is the only one that has any chance of succeeding...

Comment by m-hadley on 03/18/2008 12:43:13
Great Post TriSec,

I am so disgusted by this ongoing war/invasion/occupation I could scream Thanks for collecting the facts that show the surge for the sham/scam it is. I posted an entry on my blog over the weekend called "It's Still the War(s), Stupid." Just wanted to let you know in case you wanted to check it out. Thanks again. I did watch a little bit of Winter Soldiers over the weekend, but found it just too damn depressing - but if that's what it does to me here in Oklahoma, I can only imagine what it is like for Iraqis and US troops who are actually facing the mess over there - arrrggghhh

Best,

mfaye

Comment by TriSec on 03/18/2008 13:02:47
Ah, some weeks I feel like the last holdout from "Unfiltered".



I really ought to email Dr. Maddow and let her know we're still doing this....





Comment by livingonli on 03/18/2008 13:53:31
Good morning everyone.

Comment by TriSec on 03/18/2008 13:54:34
*tap tap* This thing on?





Comment by Raine on 03/18/2008 13:57:47
Good Morning!

Comment by livingonli on 03/18/2008 13:59:41
Good morning Raine. Must have been a sleeping in kind of morning.

Comment by starling310 on 03/18/2008 14:01:39
:rofl: where did that FU sound clip come from?

Comment by starling310 on 03/18/2008 14:04:45
For those of you that were wondering. . . ( i know you are on the edge of your seats ) my date on Saturday was phenomonal. I am completely smitten, as is she. . .

:wub2:



Date #2 is tonight. I am cooking dinner. Hubba hubba.



Comment by livingonli on 03/18/2008 14:06:26
Quote by starling310:

For those of you that were wondering. . . ( i know you are on the edge of your seats ) my date on Saturday was phenomonal. I am completely smitten, as is she. . .

:wub2:



Date #2 is tonight. I am cooking dinner. Hubba hubba.



That's awesome.

Comment by Raine on 03/18/2008 14:06:43
Quote by starling310:

:rofl: where did that FU sound clip come from?
Shano got it from Momma's c-span appearance!



You can see it in this blog:

For the love of Basketball!!



:rofl:

Comment by Raine on 03/18/2008 14:07:43
You know I actually was wondering last night! I am so SO happy to hear this news!

Comment by Raine on 03/18/2008 14:12:29
Quote by BobR:

Senator Clinton either misspoke or is just flat wrong when she says "but that doesn’t change the fact that there is no political solution to the situation in Iraq".



Correction: There is no military solution to the situation in Iraq. A political solution (i.e.: a diplomatic solution) is the only one that has any chance of succeeding...
Icertainly HOPE she misspoke. Nice catch bobber.



Comment by Raine on 03/18/2008 14:14:22
I am not pleased that Barack has been put into a corner like this... it reeks of romneyesque crap.

Comment by starling310 on 03/18/2008 14:15:37
Quote by Raine:

You know I actually was wondering last night! I am so SO happy to hear this news!






:: sigh :: butterflies for the ENTIRE date...unlike any I have had in YEARS!

Oh dear.





Comment by Raine on 03/18/2008 14:18:15
Butterflies are the best!

Comment by livingonli on 03/18/2008 14:20:52
The important thing is that she will appreciate your acting aspirations more than your ex did

Comment by Raine on 03/18/2008 14:22:48
GO on Sanchez!!!! :clap:

Comment by starling310 on 03/18/2008 14:22:51
Go Sanchez!!



He's in a state.



Comment by Raine on 03/18/2008 14:24:40
oooOOOooo Kevin's letter.

Comment by starling310 on 03/18/2008 14:24:51
Quote by Raine:

Butterflies are the best!




They are the best when they're mutual. . . and they are!



Ok. I'll stop now.





:: sits on hands :: :: huge grin ::

Comment by livingonli on 03/18/2008 14:26:10
Quote by starling310:

Go Sanchez!!



He's in a state.



I know. Bush has certainly put me in a state.

Comment by BobR on 03/18/2008 14:27:04
Morning, folks... :coffee:

Comment by jd_in_ny on 03/18/2008 14:27:57
Morning!

Comment by m-hadley on 03/18/2008 14:28:26
Quote by starling310:

For those of you that were wondering. . . ( i know you are on the edge of your seats ) my date on Saturday was phenomonal. I am completely smitten, as is she. . .

:wub2:



Date #2 is tonight. I am cooking dinner. Hubba hubba.





Starling,

That is soooo very cool - best wishes for another great date. Sending good thoughts your way... :D

Comment by livingonli on 03/18/2008 14:28:26
Good morning BobR.

Comment by starling310 on 03/18/2008 14:31:48
Gracias Faye. . .



Yes, send positive thoughts that doesn't stick her foot in her mouth as she is so apt to do.



Comment by wickedpam on 03/18/2008 14:32:12
Morning! :hug:



Star I'm so happy for you!

Comment by Raine on 03/18/2008 14:32:37
Only stop if you want to



I am Grinning ear to ear for you! :hug:

Comment by Raine on 03/18/2008 14:33:36
Good morning Faye, Mala and JD!

Comment by starling310 on 03/18/2008 14:34:02
Sanchez is so right! I can't believe that Obama's candidacy is hinging on the opinion of someone else!!! My friends have views that I disagree with. Does that mean I should be held to account for what they think?

HELL NO!

And, is this really important??? Son of a B*tch!



Comment by velveeta jones on 03/18/2008 14:34:51
Morning all!



I have been having quite the trouble getting on the blog this morning. Problems on my end no doubt.



Anywho: Shano, great C-SPAN clips, and THANK YOU for the Steph F! :clap:

Comment by livingonli on 03/18/2008 14:35:05
Good morning to Faye, Mala, and JD.



Mala, HBK is on the SMS blog.

Comment by BobR on 03/18/2008 14:35:09
Comment by starling310 on 03/18/2008 14:35:44
Awww...thanks you guys. :hug:



Comment by livingonli on 03/18/2008 14:36:54
Good morning Velveeta. Glad you got in to the blog.

Comment by Raine on 03/18/2008 14:37:07
I am really pissed of about this reverand Wright issue. REALLY pissed.

Comment by Raine on 03/18/2008 14:37:42
OR... you can listen to it over and over right here!!

Comment by velveeta jones on 03/18/2008 14:37:45
Quote by starling310:

For those of you that were wondering. . . ( i know you are on the edge of your seats ) my date on Saturday was phenomonal. I am completely smitten, as is she. . .

:wub2:



Date #2 is tonight. I am cooking dinner. Hubba hubba.



Awwww. That's so cute!! I got the Tweety tingly leg thingy just reading that. :rofl:



Comment by starling310 on 03/18/2008 14:39:11




54 years old? Good Lord.

Too young.....



Comment by wickedpam on 03/18/2008 14:39:43
Hey Raine, Liv and everyone!

Comment by starling310 on 03/18/2008 14:39:49
Quote by velveeta jones:

Quote by starling310:

For those of you that were wondering. . . ( i know you are on the edge of your seats ) my date on Saturday was phenomonal. I am completely smitten, as is she. . .

:wub2:



Date #2 is tonight. I am cooking dinner. Hubba hubba.



Awwww. That's so cute!! I got the Tweety tingly leg thingy just reading that. :rofl:





I'm glad I could send a tingle up your leg!



Comment by Raine on 03/18/2008 14:41:20
Jeepers, he was only 54



Comment by starling310 on 03/18/2008 14:42:11
Has anyone seen the movie This is England? Ugh...put it on your list people. It's excellent. Bittersweet in some parts, and downright sad in others, but so so good.

Comment by velveeta jones on 03/18/2008 14:43:10
Waiting for Obama to talk. This is such a stupid topic. HELLLOOO? Jerry Falwell/John McCain? Pat Robertson/John McCain? Has anyone beat these stories to death like this one? No?



Didn't think so :rage:



Hey! Here's an idea.......... why don't some of these "reporters" go to the church and experience it? Hmmmm?

Comment by BobR on 03/18/2008 14:44:09
Quote by velveeta jones:



Awwww. That's so cute!! I got the Tweety tingly leg thingy just reading that. :rofl:



Maybe you have Restless Leg Syndrome.



Talk to your doctor about Requip

Comment by Raine on 03/18/2008 14:45:27
Obama speech:



Good morning thanks for coming.

Let me be clear.



I am not Muslim, I have never been muslim I love my church. :waiting:

F*cking Frank!!!

Comment by starling310 on 03/18/2008 14:46:21
"We bombed Hiroshima,
Check.

we bombed Nagasaki,
Check.

and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye,"
Check. Check.

"We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans,
Check.

and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards.
Check.

America's chickens are coming home to roost,"
Ummm..Check.



Sooo, what's the problem exactly?





Comment by Raine on 03/18/2008 14:47:55
Quote by velveeta jones:

Waiting for Obama to talk. This is such a stupid topic. HELLLOOO? Jerry Falwell/John McCain? Pat Robertson/John McCain? Has anyone beat these stories to death like this one? No?



Didn't think so :rage:



Hey! Here's an idea.......... why don't some of these "reporters" go to the church and experience it? Hmmmm?


McCain/ Rod Parsley AND John Hagee! BOTH of those Men called for deaths of Americans. Rev. Wright denounced ... DENOUNCED ... the death of AMERICANS!!!!



Comment by starling310 on 03/18/2008 14:48:43
Quote by velveeta jones:

Waiting for Obama to talk. This is such a stupid topic. HELLLOOO? Jerry Falwell/John McCain? Pat Robertson/John McCain? Has anyone beat these stories to death like this one? No?



Didn't think so :rage:



Hey! Here's an idea.......... why don't some of these "reporters" go to the church and experience it? Hmmmm?




Oh VJ...you're so naive; Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson are white. They can say whatever they want.

Comment by Raine on 03/18/2008 14:49:27
Watching MSNBC, and I am happy to report that NANCY GILES is on as a pundit! i Nancy Giles!

Comment by starling310 on 03/18/2008 14:50:00
This Bullsh*t is really pissing me off!!!

Let's talk about F*cking ISSUES!!!

Comment by livingonli on 03/18/2008 14:50:23
The way this whole thing is being blown up is proof that the so-called "liberal" media is actually biased to the right and gives in to right-wing framing.

Comment by Raine on 03/18/2008 14:51:01
Joe Scarborough. HE is basically saying that Barack needs to not be so black .

Comment by starling310 on 03/18/2008 14:51:27
Dusty Springfield is it not???



Comment by livingonli on 03/18/2008 14:51:55
Quote by starling310:

Quote by velveeta jones:

Waiting for Obama to talk. This is such a stupid topic. HELLLOOO? Jerry Falwell/John McCain? Pat Robertson/John McCain? Has anyone beat these stories to death like this one? No?



Didn't think so :rage:



Hey! Here's an idea.......... why don't some of these "reporters" go to the church and experience it? Hmmmm?




Oh VJ...you're so naive; Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson are white. They can say whatever they want.






Comment by starling310 on 03/18/2008 14:52:00
Yeah, it's people being scared of a Black man with a strong opinion.



Comment by starling310 on 03/18/2008 14:52:33
YAY! Jim is saving Stephanie on this question. . .



Comment by Raine on 03/18/2008 14:53:28
Here he comes

Comment by livingonli on 03/18/2008 14:53:33
They are re-running the Steph session right now on C-SPAN 2.

Comment by starling310 on 03/18/2008 14:54:33
He's not going to do something stupid like pull out is he?



Comment by Raine on 03/18/2008 14:55:36
OoooOOOOoooH.

Comment by Raine on 03/18/2008 14:58:26
Quote by starling310:

He's not going to do something stupid like pull out is he?

OMG.



Comment by starling310 on 03/18/2008 14:59:01
AH! Shit....I can't get SM.com is it on CSPAN??? F*ck!



Comment by livingonli on 03/18/2008 14:59:02
The Steph stream is staying with the speech.

Comment by Raine on 03/18/2008 14:59:19
This is pretty powerful stuff.

Comment by livingonli on 03/18/2008 15:00:35
Quote by starling310:

AH! Shit....I can't get SM.com is it on CSPAN??? F*ck!



I don't know why. It is not on any of the Spans. I have it on MSNBC.

Comment by starling310 on 03/18/2008 15:00:50
I can't get the steph stream at work!



Comment by Raine on 03/18/2008 15:01:12
This is a conversation America REALLY needs to have.

Comment by jd_in_ny on 03/18/2008 15:02:08
I am just so proud to support this candidate. Wow.

Comment by starling310 on 03/18/2008 15:03:14
This blows. I am totally missing it.



Comment by starling310 on 03/18/2008 15:04:02
Stupid top of the hour break!

Comment by starling310 on 03/18/2008 15:05:19
COME ON!!!!



Comment by BobR on 03/18/2008 15:07:30
Quote by starling310:

I can't get the steph stream at work!



Neither can I.



I wonder what I missed? :(

Comment by livingonli on 03/18/2008 15:07:46
Damn workplace screwing with :star:'s internet access.

Comment by starling310 on 03/18/2008 15:08:45
Man, he just puts it all out there. :clap:

Comment by Raine on 03/18/2008 15:09:20
JD, I have come to supporting Barack after being a devout edwards supporter, but I must say that while my journey took a while, I to am very glad to say that I am a Barack Obama Supporter.

Comment by starling310 on 03/18/2008 15:10:01
:: welling up ::

Comment by Raine on 03/18/2008 15:11:49
Quote by BobR:

Quote by starling310:

I can't get the steph stream at work!



Neither can I.



I wonder what I missed? :(
HE talked about how he came to the church, and read a passage from his book



Comment by Raine on 03/18/2008 15:13:41
:thud: Joe Biden :YES:



he really is putting it ALL out there.

Comment by Raine on 03/18/2008 15:14:53
:cry:

Comment by starling310 on 03/18/2008 15:17:18
:clap:

:clap:

:clap:

:clap:

:clap:

:clap:

:clap:

:clap:



Comment by Raine on 03/18/2008 15:17:25
I cannot believe in my lifetime, I am listening to a politician say these things. I feel very proud to have this man in our party.



In my lifetime. Someone dares to say what needs to be said.

Comment by starling310 on 03/18/2008 15:18:34
Exactly....

He is asking Black people AND white people together to :: sinead o'connor :: "Fight the REAL enemy!"

Comment by starling310 on 03/18/2008 15:19:10


Comment by BobR on 03/18/2008 15:19:16
wow.



Just.....



wow.

Comment by jd_in_ny on 03/18/2008 15:19:29
Out of the ballpark.

Comment by starling310 on 03/18/2008 15:20:28
Jesus...this is what it must have been like living in the days of Bobby Kennedy!



Comment by Raine on 03/18/2008 15:20:37
Man, I am crying.... And I don't even have PMS.

Comment by m-hadley on 03/18/2008 15:21:34
Quote by Raine:

JD, I have come to supporting Barack after being a devout edwards supporter, but I must say that while my journey took a while, I to am very glad to say that I am a Barack Obama Supporter.




To everyone who is listening to this amazing man right now - all I can say is WOW...

I also am proud to be a small part of an amazing sea change in this country. I hope that this speech brings all variety of Barack supporters back to the fold - we're gonna need everybody to win this fight. I'm so FOR Obama...

Comment by starling310 on 03/18/2008 15:21:37
Quote by jd_in_ny:

Out of the ballpark.




Hell Yeah, jd. This ball is going to be goin' for a while!





Comment by starling310 on 03/18/2008 15:22:01
This is what it looks like when a politician really tells the truth.



Comment by starling310 on 03/18/2008 15:25:30
Blog shout out! Woot.

Comment by Raine on 03/18/2008 15:25:53
E just said we could play the race card, like we did with the OJ trial... WE could play the race card with Hillery White men and john McCain... HOLY CRAP. without a speck of resentment.



OR... At this moment in this election we could talk about in this election we could about crumbling schools, and black children and mexican children and poor children we could talk about the children... oh I can't even keep up...



He is now talking about THIS time, this time we could talk about a decent life for all people... for woman and ALL races...





Comment by BobR on 03/18/2008 15:26:58
He is definitely taking a page from Edwards... a good page.

Comment by Raine on 03/18/2008 15:27:41
Quote by starling310:

Blog shout out! Woot.


What did I miss? I had the sound down.

Comment by jd_in_ny on 03/18/2008 15:27:57
Absolutely BobR

Comment by starling310 on 03/18/2008 15:28:54
Quote by Raine:

Quote by starling310:

Blog shout out! Woot.


What did I miss? I had the sound down.




She just said "He's hitting out of the ballpark. That seems to be the consesus."



Comment by jd_in_ny on 03/18/2008 15:30:00
Quote by starling310:

Quote by Raine:

Quote by starling310:

Blog shout out! Woot.


What did I miss? I had the sound down.




She just said "He's hitting out of the ballpark. That seems to be the consesus."



Neat!

Comment by BobR on 03/18/2008 15:30:25
dammit!



Another break. I know they need to pay the bills, but this sucks.

Comment by starling310 on 03/18/2008 15:31:20
Totally Bobber.

I'm bummin about the commercials during this.



Comment by Raine on 03/18/2008 15:31:30
I have to tell you something very touching.



Right now in our front yard, there are a few men doing work on the lawn. I have the window open. They asked me if it wouldn't be too much to turn up the sound so they can listen as they work. They actually STOPPED to listen to this speech.



Yes, this speech seems to be THAT powerful.

Comment by jd_in_ny on 03/18/2008 15:32:49
I'm turning off cnn at the moment, but they've already started a cynical spin focused solely on his dealing with the Wright statements. Unbelievable. For shame, Wolf.

Comment by velveeta jones on 03/18/2008 15:34:10
WOW! Ya'll that was a 4 hanky speech!!



Brilliant!!!



:clap: :bow:

Comment by starling310 on 03/18/2008 15:35:49
Quote by Raine:

I have to tell you something very touching.



Right now in our front yard, there are a few men doing work on the lawn. I have the window open. They asked me if it wouldn't be too much to turn up the sound so they can listen as they work. They actually STOPPED to listen to this speech.



Yes, this speech seems to be THAT powerful.






OMG Raine....that just made me cry!



Comment by wickedpam on 03/18/2008 15:35:56
What I got to hear of the speech it sounded really good!

Comment by velveeta jones on 03/18/2008 15:36:05
Quote by Raine:

I have to tell you something very touching.



Right now in our front yard, there are a few men doing work on the lawn. I have the window open. They asked me if it wouldn't be too much to turn up the sound so they can listen as they work. They actually STOPPED to listen to this speech.



Yes, this speech seems to be THAT powerful.




Thanks Raine, now become a 5 hanky speech! :sniff:



JD, I too had to turn off CNN, Wolf has become so "corporate" that he disgusts me.

Comment by Raine on 03/18/2008 15:37:28
Quote by jd_in_ny:

I'm turning off cnn at the moment, but they've already started a cynical spin focused solely on his dealing with the Wright statements. Unbelievable. For shame, Wolf.
Joe Scarborough and Pat Robertson are doing the same shit on MSNBC. 2 white guys who never had to worry about racism or sexism in thier lives. and might I add... *click*



They have no idea it seems of what Barack Just said.







Comment by livingonli on 03/18/2008 15:38:10
Wolf on CNN and Pat Buchanan on MSNBC.



Is this what they come out of the speech with?

Comment by starling310 on 03/18/2008 15:38:15
I really hope the "Hillary Camp" and the rest of America will get the point. It's a point that needs to be heard.



Comment by starling310 on 03/18/2008 15:39:16
Raine, call with your story!!

Comment by Raine on 03/18/2008 15:41:53
I will try.

Comment by Raine on 03/18/2008 15:45:18
I am on hold,





(have I mentioned how much I love the fair rebekah?)

Comment by m-hadley on 03/18/2008 15:45:38
Quote by velveeta jones:

WOW! Ya'll that was a 4 hanky speech!!



Brilliant!!!



:clap: :bow:




It's been quite a while since I cried tears of HOPE, but that's what's rolling down my face at the moment... :bow:



Comment by starling310 on 03/18/2008 15:48:50
YAY RAINE! YAY REBEKAH!



Comment by wickedpam on 03/18/2008 15:51:20
Rebekah is our girl! :bow:

Comment by starling310 on 03/18/2008 15:52:36
I think some people are just adamantly opposed to looking someone in the eye that they disagree with and saying "You're alright man."



Comment by m-hadley on 03/18/2008 15:52:39
Quote by Raine:

I am on hold,





(have I mentioned how much I love the fair rebekah?)




Amen to that sister. Rebekah is the BEST!!!



Comment by wickedpam on 03/18/2008 15:53:14
Raine!

Comment by starling310 on 03/18/2008 15:53:21
RAINE! :clap:

Comment by Raine on 03/18/2008 15:53:24
:cry:

Comment by livingonli on 03/18/2008 15:54:33
Quote by Raine:

:cry:


You were awesome there, Raine. A perfect response to the tooly right-wing caller before.

Comment by Raine on 03/18/2008 15:55:12
IT REALLY was amazing!

Comment by BobR on 03/18/2008 15:57:14
Quote by Raine:

IT REALLY was amazing!


You wouldn't normally think of landscapers being that interested, expecially to the point of stopping what they're doing to listen to a political speech from a presidential candidate.

Comment by starling310 on 03/18/2008 15:57:36
But...but....but....but....he's a muslim!



Comment by livingonli on 03/18/2008 15:58:31
WE have a spare fainting couch for Momma, don't we?

Comment by BobR on 03/18/2008 15:58:52
Quote by BobR:



You wouldn't normally think of landscapers being that interested, expecially to the point of stopping what they're doing to listen to a political speech from a presidential candidate.


For some reason that reminded me of a scene in Driving Miss Daisy where Morgan Freeman's character is sitting in the car listening to MLK's speech on the radio while Miss Daisy is inside listening to it live.

Comment by starling310 on 03/18/2008 16:00:13
Quote by BobR:

Quote by Raine:

IT REALLY was amazing!


You wouldn't normally think of landscapers being that interested, expecially to the point of stopping what they're doing to listen to a political speech from a presidential candidate.






Can I ask a question? Were they white? I am just wondering, because I have to say, if not that would just drive the point home, that Obama is truly uniting us.



Comment by Raine on 03/18/2008 16:03:28
No, bobber, you wouldn't. They really wanted to listen. I do not think it was becasue they knew about this speech in advance... the heard peices here and there. Something clicked... All I know is.. wow.







Comment by m-hadley on 03/18/2008 16:05:54
I don't know what happened, but all I got was 15 - 20 minutes of commercials during the last part of today's show. Glad I've got the StephCast..

Glad you made it on the air Raine - can't wait to hear what you had to say...

Comment by Raine on 03/18/2008 16:12:35
Quote by starling310:

Quote by BobR:

Quote by Raine:

IT REALLY was amazing!


You wouldn't normally think of landscapers being that interested, expecially to the point of stopping what they're doing to listen to a political speech from a presidential candidate.






Can I ask a question? Were they white? I am just wondering, because I have to say, if not that would just drive the point home, that Obama is truly uniting us.

I know what you are saying. They are not white. Theses were black men.







Comment by starling310 on 03/18/2008 16:14:10
Quote by Raine:

Quote by starling310:

Quote by BobR:

Quote by Raine:

IT REALLY was amazing!


You wouldn't normally think of landscapers being that interested, expecially to the point of stopping what they're doing to listen to a political speech from a presidential candidate.






Can I ask a question? Were they white? I am just wondering, because I have to say, if not that would just drive the point home, that Obama is truly uniting us.

I know what you are saying. They are not white. Theses were black men.









That absolutely makes it that much more powerful of a story! Maybe it "shouldn't" but it absolutely does.











Comment by Raine on 03/18/2008 16:15:56
Quote by m-hadley:

I don't know what happened, but all I got was 15 - 20 minutes of commercials during the last part of today's show. Glad I've got the StephCast..

Glad you made it on the air Raine - can't wait to hear what you had to say...


It was pretty much what I posted here, except y'all get to listen to my emotions.



OMG. Seriously, I am very happy that I got a chance to vote for Edwards, knowing that my vote went to BArack.







Comment by livingonli on 03/18/2008 16:16:36
Quote by m-hadley:

I don't know what happened, but all I got was 15 - 20 minutes of commercials during the last part of today's show. Glad I've got the StephCast..

Glad you made it on the air Raine - can't wait to hear what you had to say...


I was listening on the Stephstream and that was OK.

Comment by BobR on 03/18/2008 16:24:06
Not in response to the speech, but really: Fox anchor likens Obama pastor to Hitler

Comment by Raine on 03/18/2008 16:48:59
Quote by starling310: I really hope the "Hillary Camp" and the rest of America will get the point. It's a point that needs to be heard.
I hope so too. It's a long time coming.Hilary has not give a speech like this. She could have, if he really believed in civl rights above political rights. She had a chance to give a speech like this... She did. But she did not. And STILL to tis day... she has not denunciated what Ferraro said.

Comment by Raine on 03/18/2008 16:52:16
You know, we had the chance to listen to Drew Westin. I hope that when Bobber gets back, he bumps his blog about that night. :peace:

Comment by velveeta jones on 03/18/2008 16:57:34
Quote by BobR:

Not in response to the speech, but really: Fox anchor likens Obama pastor to Hitler




This anchor needs to be fired!



Then, tied to the mast of a ship and set sail towards due East, with a pinned copy of her comment on her forehead.



:rage:



Comment by velveeta jones on 03/18/2008 17:00:03
Raine, sorry I missed your call. Perhaps someone who has a StephCast subscription (ahem) can upload the cut so's we can all hear it?



Anywho....



Off to the organic salt mines...............





Comment by Shane-O on 03/18/2008 17:00:04
Quote by Raine:

You know, we had the chance to listen to Drew Westin.



I hope that when Bobber gets back, he bumps his blog about that night. :peace:


Drew Westen - author, psychology prof? NPR guy?



Comment by Will in Chicago on 03/18/2008 17:00:54
Hello, bloggers!!



Raine, I am sorry that I missed your remarks. I slept in, and had some things to do upstairs. Still I heard part of a speech. I just posted this over at UNN and thought I would share it.



I only heard a portion of the speech, but I MUST hear all of it and read it.



Seldom have I heard words so eloquent and passionate. Barack Obama showed great maturity, wisdom, and courage in embracing those around him - such as Reverend Jeremiah Wright and his own grandmother - who, like all of us, are far from perfect, but still worthy of our respect and our love.



From all that I have heard, Barack Obama touched on the issues of race and class in our society in ways that few national figures have done. My living memory only dates back to the late 1960s, yet I think that we have to go back to an era when compassionate men of courage like John Fitzgerald Kennedy, Malcom X, Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr, and Robert Fitzgerald Kennedy grappled with themselves and and the problems of our society to encourage us to become our best selves, and to treat others with integrity, respect, justice and love.



I do not think Barack Obama is perfect, nor any human being is perfect. Yet I think today Barack Obama raised the level of dialogue in this country and had the courage to address issues that we are afraid to face, such as race and class. Yes, the right wing will spin this and try to say that Obama has done enough. I say that he has done far more than what he had to diffuse a difficult situation and in doing so has laid down a challenge to the other candidates and to all America - address the deep divides in this country so that we can heal and truly become one America, where people are judged solely on the content of their character, not the color of their skin or their personal wealth, and on their accomplishments. So, if nothing else, Barack Obama has reminded us of a dream, a dream too often deferred, but one that I will aspire to make real within my life and times.





Comment by Shane-O on 03/18/2008 17:14:46
Raine - I emailed the isolated mp3 clip of you on SMS this AM...

Comment by livingonli on 03/18/2008 17:18:06
MSNBC is running a clip of Rush's reaction.



And why are they wasting so much time on Patterson's affairs. Both him and the wife were having maritial problems at the time. Can we just move on?

Comment by Will in Chicago on 03/18/2008 17:20:05
Quote by Shane-O:

Raine - I emailed the isolated mp3 clip of you on SMS this AM...




Well done, Shane-O!!!







Comment by Raine on 03/18/2008 17:25:07
Random angry rambling...





OK, at 2 pm, the feds are expected to announce a 1% cut. (yeah one percent... that is huge)



And the fuckers are now swiftboating the Gov of NY... the NEW one. I HATE the media right now. I hate politics right now. And I think I hate Contessa Brewer right now.

Can I tell everyone that if a husband and a wife have affairs tht is NOT the business of the public?



Godfuckin dammnit. I am scared that this is going to be a second takeover of the office of governor in the state of NY.



I suspect Randi will talk about this. F*ckers.









Comment by starling310 on 03/18/2008 17:25:15
Will, you make a good point; a great point actually. One of the most important points Obama made today, was that we none of us are "done cookies." We've all got imperfections, and things that could use some changing that none of us really have the right to point the finger at anyone else.

"Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone."

Comment by Raine on 03/18/2008 17:29:24
Quote by livingonli:

MSNBC is running a clip of Rush's reaction.



And why are they wasting so much time on Patterson's affairs. Both him and the wife were having maritial problems at the time. Can we just move on?
Thank you liv, for giving a far more rational POV than I could.



Comment by jd_in_ny on 03/18/2008 17:31:55
I liked the idea that, as a nation, we continue to strive towards "a more perfect union"

Comment by Raine on 03/18/2008 17:34:54
Quote by Shane-O:

Quote by Raine:

You know, we had the chance to listen to Drew Westin.



I hope that when Bobber gets back, he bumps his blog about that night. :peace:


Drew Westen - author, psychology prof? NPR guy?



This guy,Thom also wrote a book about this subject.



Thanks Shano! Bobber can get it up later, when he gets back from lunch.





Comment by BobR on 03/18/2008 17:41:25
Quote by Raine:

You know, we had the chance to listen to Drew Westin.



I hope that when Bobber gets back, he bumps his blog about that night. :peace:


My blog post on Drew Weston...

Comment by Raine on 03/18/2008 17:42:33
Quote by jd_in_ny:

I liked the idea that, as a nation, we continue to strive towards "a more perfect union"


you know, Truthfully, this is the thing that has driven me as an activist. In order to provide for a more perfect Union. MORE perfect. Our forefathers were NOT stupid men. They knew that this could get better, they new our constitiution was a living document.



I am so happy that for the first time in a long time, maybe MAYBE since FDR, we have a politician asking that we as a nation strive to do this, A politician in OUR time is asking that we strive in the way our forefathers expected of us to do so.



I am very inspired today. I will not let the media take me down. F*ck the media.











Inspiring, at the VERY least. This man NEEDS to be our next American president.

Comment by Shane-O on 03/18/2008 17:44:05
Quote by Raine:

Quote by Shane-O:

Quote by Raine:

You know, we had the chance to listen to Drew Westin.



I hope that when Bobber gets back, he bumps his blog about that night. :peace:


Drew Westen - author, psychology prof? NPR guy?



This guy,Thom also wrote a book about this subject.



Thanks Shano! Bobber can get it up later, when he gets back from lunch.







That's who I thought you might be referring to. He was one of my professors in undergrad - really great guy. After our final, a few friends and I put a note under his office door inviting him out for an "after-exam" beer. He actually showed up!



Students at UofM worshiped him - and when he was denied tenure (as UofM's policy then was to not grant tenure to alumni) the students went nuts - petitions and all. I think he went on to Harvard - then Emory. But once in a while I do see him on the TeeVee...



Comment by Raine on 03/18/2008 17:46:22
Oh.. Hillary is now talking on the CNN machine. She is glad that Obama gave this speach. hmmm....



She kinda side stepped ALL that he said... I am having a compare and contrast moment.

Comment by starling310 on 03/18/2008 17:46:41
Quote by Raine:



Bobber can get it up later, when he gets back from lunch.







:rofl:



:: joe biden :: yes

Comment by Raine on 03/18/2008 17:48:09
Wow, Shane-o, he was your professor? VERY cool.







Comment by Raine on 03/18/2008 17:53:21
OK, and once again... Hillary Just said that a speech does not make a good president. She is very somber today on the CNN machine. (I actually HAD to turn off MSNBC)

Comment by Raine on 03/18/2008 17:54:57
WOW hillary is doign the head bob while drinking a HUGE cup of coffee!!!

Comment by Raine on 03/18/2008 17:56:38
Quote by starling310:
Quote by Raine: Bobber can get it up later, when he gets back from lunch.
:rofl: :: joe biden :: yes
:rofl:

Comment by Shane-O on 03/18/2008 17:57:28
Quote by Raine:

Wow, Shane-o, he was your professor? VERY cool.







Mine and thousands of others, I expect, over his 6 years there. But he was (and I'm sure still is) a great prof.



Comment by Raine on 03/18/2008 17:59:19
Yup. I am now convinced. Hillary has finally decided to tal about IRaq. She is giving a HUGE forien policy speech RIGHT now. Does anyone else see what is happening? Suddenly she wants IRaq to be the focus of the campaigns... Can't agree with BArack you know... She can't talk about race in america.

Comment by Shane-O on 03/18/2008 18:03:14
grrr - what media outlet is carrying HRC's speech? I can't find it...

Comment by Raine on 03/18/2008 18:19:33
Here is the Speech, for those that culd not listen in completion:


Comment by livingonli on 03/18/2008 18:25:34
I go out of the house for a few minutes and look at the fun I miss.

Comment by Will in Chicago on 03/18/2008 18:30:08
Quote by Shane-O:

Quote by Raine:

Quote by Shane-O:

Quote by Raine:

You know, we had the chance to listen to Drew Westin.



I hope that when Bobber gets back, he bumps his blog about that night. :peace:


Drew Westen - author, psychology prof? NPR guy?



This guy,Thom also wrote a book about this subject.



Thanks Shano! Bobber can get it up later, when he gets back from lunch.







That's who I thought you might be referring to. He was one of my professors in undergrad - really great guy. After our final, a few friends and I put a note under his office door inviting him out for an "after-exam" beer. He actually showed up!



Students at UofM worshiped him - and when he was denied tenure (as UofM's policy then was to not grant tenure to alumni) the students went nuts - petitions and all. I think he went on to Harvard - then Emory. But once in a while I do see him on the TeeVee...







Drew Westem will be the guest on Democracy Interactive Radio on Sunday, March 23rd at 4 PM Eastern.

Comment by Will in Chicago on 03/18/2008 18:37:13
By the way, the Huffington Post has the text of Obama's speech.



Starling310, thank you for the compliment.

Comment by starling310 on 03/18/2008 18:43:32
Quote by will in chicago:

By the way, the Huffington Post has the text of Obama's speech.



Starling310, thank you for the compliment.




Please...call me star.

Comment by livingonli on 03/18/2008 18:45:50
Quote by starling310:

Quote by will in chicago:

By the way, the Huffington Post has the text of Obama's speech.



Starling310, thank you for the compliment.




Please...call me star.




Just don't call her jiggles.



Comment by BobR on 03/18/2008 18:47:30
Quote by will in chicago:

By the way, the Huffington Post has the text of Obama's speech.



Starling310, thank you for the compliment.


So does FourFreedoms... ;)

Comment by starling310 on 03/18/2008 18:48:38
Quote by livingonli:

Quote by starling310:

Quote by will in chicago:

By the way, the Huffington Post has the text of Obama's speech.



Starling310, thank you for the compliment.




Please...call me star.






Just don't call her jiggles.



Sweet Cheeks, maybe.







Comment by starling310 on 03/18/2008 18:58:30
I think itunes should sell Obama's speech!

Comment by BobR on 03/18/2008 19:00:54
Quote by starling310:



Sweet Cheeks, maybe.





sweet, like sugar...







:rofl:

Comment by starling310 on 03/18/2008 19:02:52
Hey now Bobber. . . How you doin?



Bawm chicka bow wow...





Comment by livingonli on 03/18/2008 19:04:34
Time to go head off to the salt mine.

Comment by starling310 on 03/18/2008 19:07:25
Later Liv!



Comment by Will in Chicago on 03/18/2008 19:15:30
Quote by BobR:

Quote by will in chicago:

By the way, the Huffington Post has the text of Obama's speech.



Starling310, thank you for the compliment.


So does FourFreedoms... ;)






I am here on the blog more often than the boards.



By the way, the UNN Daily Headlines are up. (I found the link to Obama's speech at the Huffington Post. This speech is one that parents should have their children watch and read. I think we saw history made today.)

Comment by Will in Chicago on 03/18/2008 19:52:35
Over at UNN, Sensischolar has an excellent blog piece on Obama's speech. (I hope that his daughter will see the world that Obama spoke of today.)

Comment by starling310 on 03/18/2008 19:54:59
For we have a choice in this country. We can accept a politics that breeds division, and conflict, and cynicism. We can tackle race only as spectacle – as we did in the OJ trial – or in the wake of tragedy, as we did in the aftermath of Katrina - or as fodder for the nightly news. We can play Reverend Wright’s sermons on every channel, every day and talk about them from now until the election, and make the only question in this campaign whether or not the American people think that I somehow believe or sympathize with his most offensive words. We can pounce on some gaffe by a Hillary supporter as evidence that she’s playing the race card, or we can speculate on whether white men will all flock to John McCain in the general election regardless of his policies.



We can do that.



But if we do, I can tell you that in the next election, we’ll be talking about some other distraction. And then another one. And then another one. And nothing will change.





:bow:

Comment by TriSec on 03/18/2008 19:56:44
Somewhere, on a distant, dusty shore, the dessicated remains of a blogger await discovery by a future archeologist to ponder just what he was doing here, miles from civilization, covered in salt, and his mysterious belongings strewn about him...





Comment by starling310 on 03/18/2008 19:58:06
Quote by TriSec:

Somewhere, on a distant, dusty shore, the dessicated remains of a blogger await discovery by a future archeologist to ponder just what he was doing here, miles from civilization, covered in salt, and his mysterious belongings strewn about him...







:spit:

:rofl:

Comment by livingonli on 03/18/2008 20:14:58
I think this blog needs a rescue doggie to free the salt encased bloggers.



I'm sure a St. Bernard would be preferred.

Comment by BobR on 03/18/2008 21:58:48
Quote by Raine:



This guy,Thom also wrote a book about this subject.



Thanks Shano! Bobber can get it up later, when he gets back from lunch.





I finally got it up



(insert Cialis joke here... but not for more than 4 hours...)

Comment by Raine on 03/18/2008 21:59:09
BAck in time to catch the last part of Randi. yes, I must agree judge hiim on HIS character, not what other people tell you to judge.



And yes, as will also said, we saw and heard history today.





Comment by Raine on 03/18/2008 22:10:33
Quote by BobR:

Quote by Raine:



This guy,Thom also wrote a book about this subject.



Thanks Shano! Bobber can get it up later, when he gets back from lunch.





I finally got it up



(insert Cialis joke here... but not for more than 4 hours...)
:rofl:



Comment by BobR on 03/18/2008 22:53:32
Quote by will in chicago:

Over at UNN, Sensischolar has an excellent blog piece on Obama's speech. (I hope that his daughter will see the world that Obama spoke of today.)


Yeah, this is really REALLY good.

Comment by m-hadley on 03/18/2008 23:26:15
Quote by Raine:

Quote by m-hadley:

I don't know what happened, but all I got was 15 - 20 minutes of commercials during the last part of today's show. Glad I've got the StephCast..

Glad you made it on the air Raine - can't wait to hear what you had to say...


It was pretty much what I posted here, except y'all get to listen to my emotions.



OMG. Seriously, I am very happy that I got a chance to vote for Edwards, knowing that my vote went to BArack.









Raine,

I'm home now and I just heard your call-in - it was so sweet to hear your voice tell that wonderful story. I'm listening to Mr. Obama's speech again and loving it just as much on another listening. Thanks for everything everybody Hope is alive in America again :)

Cheers,

mfaye



Comment by Will in Chicago on 03/19/2008 00:02:53
Quote by BobR:

Quote by will in chicago:

Over at UNN, Sensischolar has an excellent blog piece on Obama's speech. (I hope that his daughter will see the world that Obama spoke of today.)


Yeah, this is really REALLY good.




I will let Kris know, or you can chime in on the

boards.

Comment by livingonli on 03/19/2008 00:53:21
You ever have one of those days you just feel like staying in bed?

Comment by Mondobubba on 03/19/2008 01:23:22
Comment by livingonli on 03/19/2008 01:31:50
Poor Mondo. Stuck with Chimpy in his home town. Maybe you should call Momma on Friday and tell her how it was like hell.



And Raine, Rangers beat Pittsburgh 5-2.

Comment by Mondobubba on 03/19/2008 01:41:37
Ya know it's been so long since I've seen "Aliens" that I had forgotten the "game over man!" drop is from it. :shrug:



Bill Paxton says it. BTW