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Author: TriSec    Date: 04/22/2008 10:47:35

Good Morning.

Today is our 1,861st day in Iraq.

We'll start this morning as we always do, with the latest casualty figures from the warron terra, courtesy of Antiwar.com:

American Deaths
Since war began (3/19/03): 4041
Since "Mission Accomplished" (5/1/03): 3902
Since Capture of Saddam (12/13/03): 3580
Since Handover (6/29/04): 3182
Since Election (1/31/05): 2604

Other Coalition Troops: 309
US Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 494



We find today's cost of war passing through $ 513, 326, 850, 000.00



By now, you've probably heard the report that over 300,000 veterans have suffered some type of brain injury. Of course, it falls to the foreign press to tell us about it...
The psychological toll of America's wars in Iraq and Afghanistan has touched one in five servicemen and its consequences will be long-lasting, a study suggested yesterday.

The Rand Corporation, a leading research operation, said that 320,000 soldiers suffered brain injuries on the battlefield, while more than 300,000 suffered mental disorders on returning home.

The report said that US veterans are incurring "invisible wounds" of war, most notably traumatic brain injury. A survey of 1,926 soldiers represented a statistically significant sample of the 1.6 million troops sent to Iraq and Afghanistan since 2001, Rand said.
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Roadside bombs were responsible for a vast number of injuries never fully diagnosed or treated in modern warfare, according to the report's authors.

It found that 19.5 per cent of the returning soldiers were reported to have experienced a "probable brain injury" during deployment but only 57 per cent of those had seen a doctor about the incident.

The report added there was a similar picture of mental health problems: "Among those who met diagnostic criteria for post traumatic stress disorder or major depression, only 53 percent had seen a physician or mental health provider to seek help for a mental health problem in the past 12 months."

Rand called for stronger support for veterans from the military's medical hierarchy. "There is a major health crisis facing those men and women who have served our nation in Iraq and Afghanistan," said Terri Tanielian, the lead researcher.

"Unless they receive appropriate and effective care for these mental health conditions, there will be long-term consequences for them and for the nation. Unfortunately, we found there are many barriers preventing them from getting the high-quality treatment they need.

Researchers predicted that 300,000 servicemen, or 18.5 per cent of those sent to fight, would suffer long-term depression or other mental health conditions.



Well...our friends at IAVA have done something about it. A class-action suit started by IAVA went to trial on April 21. The suit alleges that more than half of all wounded troops, including those with PTSD, brain injuries and other "invisible wounds" have suffered neglect, abuse, and have been outright forgotten by the VA.
A national class action lawsuit brought by Iraq and Afghanistan war veterans went to trial on April 21. The suit, known as Veterans for Common Sense vs. Peake was brought by two veterans organizations who argue the Department of Veterans Affairs is systematically denying hundreds of thousands of wounded veterans needed medical treatment, while forcing them to wait months or even years for the disability benefits they've earned.

"We're dealing with people who are almost totally disabled; people who have lost arms, lost legs in these wars, people who have come home with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder or physical brain injury," explained Gordan Erspamer, an attorney with the law firm Morrison and Forrester who is handling the case pro bono. "We can't have these people waiting for months and years for the treatment they need."

According to a study released last week by the Rand Corporation, an estimated 300,000 veterans among the nearly 1.7 million who have served in Iraq and Afghanistan are battling depression or post-traumatic stress disorder. Another 320,000 veterans suffer from Traumatic Brain Injury, physical brain damage which is often caused by roadside bombs.

However, the VA reports only about 300,000 Iraq and Afghanistan war veterans have received health care from the VA system - about 120,000 for mental injuries. That means more than half the American service personnel wounded in Iraq and Afghanistan have slipped through the cracks.

"The VA needs aggressive, pro-veteran leaders, for more additional funding for staff, office space and for screening and treatment equipment," said Paul Sullivan of Veterans for Common Sense. "The VA needs more streamlined policies so that veterans don't need to fill out a 20 page form in order to get care."

Sullivan said his organization decided to file suit when it became clear the agency wouldn't take action on its own. Before helping to found Veterans for Common Sense, Sullivan monitored disability claims for the VA. In 2006, he resigned in protest.

"In 2005, while working at VA, I briefed senior VA political leaders that VA was in a crisis of a surge of disability claims of Iraq and Afghanistan war veterans," he said. "I recommended in writing that the VA hire more claims processors to make sure the veterans get their benefits faster instead of facing six month delays or even longer."

"The VA didn't do anything to help the veterans. What the VA actually did was several things to lock the doors and block veterans from getting mental health assistance from VA," Sullivan added.



Going for distance now....as we all know, it's primary day in the great Keystone state...so it's worth taking a look at the Iraq positions of the candidates one more time.

First, the Senator from New York...
Starting Phased Redeployment within Hillary's First Days in Office: The most important part of Hillary's plan is the first: to end our military engagement in Iraq's civil war and immediately start bringing our troops home. As president, one of Hillary's first official actions would be to convene the Joint Chiefs of Staff, her Secretary of Defense, and her National Security Council. She would direct them to draw up a clear, viable plan to bring our troops home starting with the first 60 days of her Administration. She would also direct the Department of Defense and the Department of Veterans Affairs to prepare a comprehensive plan to provide the highest quality health care and benefits to every service member -- including every member of the National Guard and Reserves -- and their families.

Securing Stability in Iraq as we Bring our Troops Home. As president, Hillary would focus American aid efforts during our redeployment on stabilizing Iraq, not propping up the Iraqi government. She would direct aid to the entities -- whether governmental or non-governmental -- most likely to get it into the hands of the Iraqi people. She would also support the appointment of a high level U.N. representative -- similar to those appointed in Afghanistan, Bosnia, and Kosovo -- to help broker peace among the parties in Iraq.

A New Intensive Diplomatic Initiative in the Region. In her first days in office, Hillary would convene a regional stabilization group composed of key allies, other global powers, and all of the states bordering Iraq. The- mission of this group would be to develop and implement a strategy to create a stable Iraq.


Next, the Senator from Illinois:
Bringing Our Troops Home

Obama will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. He will remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months. Obama will make it clear that we will not build any permanent bases in Iraq. He will keep some troops in Iraq to protect our embassy and diplomats; if al Qaeda attempts to build a base within Iraq, he will keep troops in Iraq or elsewhere in the region to carry out targeted strikes on al Qaeda.
Press Iraq’s Leaders to Reconcile

The best way to press Iraq’s leaders to take responsibility for their future is to make it clear that we are leaving. As we remove our troops, Obama will engage representatives from all levels of Iraqi society – in and out of government – to seek a new accord on Iraq’s Constitution and governance. The United Nations will play a central role in this convention, which should not adjourn until a new national accord is reached addressing tough questions like federalism and oil revenue-sharing.
Regional Diplomacy

Obama will launch the most aggressive diplomatic effort in recent American history to reach a new compact on the stability of Iraq and the Middle East. This effort will include all of Iraq’s neighbors — including Iran and Syria. This compact will aim to secure Iraq’s borders; keep neighboring countries from meddling inside Iraq; isolate al Qaeda; support reconciliation among Iraq’s sectarian groups; and provide financial support for Iraq’s reconstruction.
Humanitarian Initiative

Obama believes that America has a moral and security responsibility to confront Iraq’s humanitarian crisis — two million Iraqis are refugees; two million more are displaced inside their own country. Obama will form an international working group to address this crisis. He will provide at least $2 billion to expand services to Iraqi refugees in neighboring countries, and ensure that Iraqis inside their own country can find a safe-haven.


[Note: both policies were 'cherry-picked', so please go to the source and read it all.

Finally for contrast...the Senator from Arizona

A greater military commitment now is necessary if we are to achieve long-term success in Iraq. John McCain agrees with retired Army General Jack Keane that there are simply not enough American forces in Iraq. More troops are necessary to clear and hold insurgent strongholds; to provide security for rebuilding local institutions and economies; to halt sectarian violence in Baghdad and disarm Sunni and Shia militias; to dismantle al Qaeda; to train the Iraqi Army; and to embed American personnel in Iraqi police units. Accomplishing each of these goals will require more troops and is a crucial prerequisite for needed economic and political development in the country. America's ultimate strategy is to give Iraqis the capabilities to govern and secure their own country.

For most of the occupation, military strategy has focused on securing all of Iraq by establishing bases and conducting short operations from them. Ultimately, this secured only small areas of the country. John McCain believes the current force structure and power vacuum persisting in many areas of the country demands a more robust counterinsurgency strategy. Iraqi and American forces must not only use force to clear areas occupied by insurgents but to stay and hold these areas to deny them as a base for insurgent forces and allow economic and political development to occur in a secure environment. By emphasizing safety of the local population, this strategy will create strongholds in which insurgents find it difficult to operate.

Building a capable Iraqi army is a central requirement for ensuring Iraq's ability to govern and protect itself long after American forces have withdrawn. The U.S. must accelerate the training and equipping of Iraqi armed forces and police to enable them to play a key role in securing Iraq. Only in a secure environment will the development of Iraq's political and economic institutions have a chance to succeed. Ultimately, Iraq's future lies in the hands of its people, government, and armed forces, and strengthening them is an essential requirement for bringing U.S. troops home from Iraq. Until Iraqi forces are ready, however, a precipitous U.S. withdrawal would condemn Iraq to civil war and intervention by its neighbors and energize al Qaeda and other jihadists across the globe. This would gravely jeopardize American security.




So....who's your candidate?

 

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Comment by right wing hater on 04/22/2008 12:36:50
Good morning everyone, HAPPY EARTH DAY!!



Posted Daily to News of Day in Forum...



Along with this topic, here are two stories from daily reading -



GOP 'supporting the troops' update: VA Confirms 18 Vets Commit Suicide Everyday - Jason Leopold - http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_jason_le_080421_va_confirms_18_vets_.htm

In a stunning admission, top officials at the Veterans Health Administration confirmed that the agency’s own statistics show that an average of 126 veterans per week —6,552 veterans per year—commit suicide, according to an internal email distributed to several VA officials.



Hope 'their heart is in it' not their - 'release': Army, Marines give waivers to more felons. That's one way to reduce recidivism! - http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/04/21/military.waivers/



Have a good day everyone!



Hey Bob, hey Raine! Thanks for posting daily yesterday!

Comment by velveeta jones on 04/22/2008 12:46:10
Morning all. My candidate Tri, is Obama, and I voted yesterday in early voting. It was PACKED!! (Well, for a small town). At one point ALL the voting machines were FULL and the poll workers couldn't believe it!! (Okay, only 4 booths, but still..........) .



Anywho. Seems our pResident can't find anything better to do. So he went on........... a game show! Un-believable!





Comment by velveeta jones on 04/22/2008 12:55:17
In more scary news:

(I'm sure most of ya'll saw this last night)



Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton confirmed Monday that as president she would be willing to use nuclear weapons against Iran if it were to launch a nuclear attack on Israel.



Clinton’s remarks, made in an interview on MSNBC’s “Countdown With Keith Olbermann,” clarified a statement she made last week in a Democratic presidential debate in Philadelphia. In that debate, Clinton, D-N.Y., said an Iranian attack on Israel would bring “massive retaliation,” without defining what the phrase meant.






http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/scared003.gif






Comment by TriSec on 04/22/2008 13:04:13
Yeah, I saw that. So we're left with these choices?



100 years of war



Nuclear Annihilation



or maybe a little bit of common sense?





Comment by livingonli on 04/22/2008 13:08:01
Good morning all.



Ahhh, the scary first lady on the Today show.



I caught the 2 AM Countdown repeat last night so I heard not only her suggesting of nuking but also creepy was how she chuckled when her now found friendship with Richard Mellon Sciafe was brought up. I am starting to worry that she would be as bad as McCain if she were to become president.



Can't wait for Scott Ritter. I still loved when I saw him debate Christopher Hitchens.

Comment by livingonli on 04/22/2008 13:08:55
Once Raine is up I will give my review of Lizz Winstead's Shoot the Messenger show last night.



The humor is definitely on a different level than Steph.

Comment by m-hadley on 04/22/2008 13:14:25
Quote by velveeta jones:

Morning all. My candidate Tri, is Obama, and I voted yesterday in early voting. It was PACKED!! (Well, for a small town). At one point ALL the voting machines were FULL and the poll workers couldn't believe it!! (Okay, only 4 booths, but still..........) .



Anywho. Seems our pResident can't find anything better to do. So he went on........... a game show! Un-believable!



Velveeta,

How're you feeling? Up for DC? I've gotta check with my doctor today, but am still planning on being on that flight on Friday. Can't wait to see you all in Washington :D

Cheers,

mfaye



Comment by Raine on 04/22/2008 13:15:07
Good morning!

Comment by m-hadley on 04/22/2008 13:15:53
Mornin' Everybody,

The boss is back from Florida today, so not much blogging from me this morning Just wanted to check in and say hey :D

Cheers,

mfaye

Comment by livingonli on 04/22/2008 13:20:00
Good morning Raine.



Shoot the Messenger last night was awesome!

Comment by Raine on 04/22/2008 13:25:05
Heya FAye and Everyone!

Comment by jd_in_ny on 04/22/2008 13:25:33
Good morning!



Comment by TriSec on 04/22/2008 13:29:17
Lizz Winstead?



Did you spray paint "UNFILTERED LIVES!" somewhere in the theater?





Comment by Raine on 04/22/2008 13:31:56
WEll Liv I am awake, so where is the review?





I would have spraypainted that too tri!

Comment by Raine on 04/22/2008 13:32:44
Quote by jd_in_ny:

Good morning!

Good morning!



Comment by livingonli on 04/22/2008 13:37:51
OK, now time for my review of STM.



It was hilarious. The whole parody of the Fox-like morning show was dead on. And the humor did remind me of Unfiltered. And then for the second portion of the show, Lizz interviewed Ted Rall who was talking about events in Central Asia where he traveled. And there are two other things that the media didn't report. One, Kazikstan's Democratic Government was overthrown by the CIA in a 2005 coup. (Betcha didn't hear that in the news). And there is also this lake that is on top of a mountain which due to global warming is overflowing rapidly and threatens to destroy a nearby town possibly killing 5 million people. I am glad I finally got a chance to see this show.



And not only was HBK there but I also met n69n who was also at the show.

HBK might be getting you guys a wedding present for the DC trip.

Comment by livingonli on 04/22/2008 13:39:05
Quote by TriSec:

Lizz Winstead?



Did you spray paint "UNFILTERED LIVES!" somewhere in the theater?





Yes, in its own way at Shoot the Messenger.

Comment by Raine on 04/22/2008 13:39:48
You met n69n!!!! Wow!





Comment by velveeta jones on 04/22/2008 13:40:29
Faye, I am feeling much better! At least during the day. By evening I still have a really bad nagging cough - and a hard time breathing. But I will not be making DC. Already canceled the hotel and now planning on laying a stone sidewalk for the front of my house.



:(

Comment by jd_in_ny on 04/22/2008 13:43:33
I'd say drink every time Hannity says "the narrative has changed", but my liver would kill me.

Comment by livingonli on 04/22/2008 13:44:06
Quote by velveeta jones:

Faye, I am feeling much better! At least during the day. By evening I still have a really bad nagging cough - and a hard time breathing. But I will not be making DC. Already canceled the hotel and now planning on laying a stone sidewalk for the front of my house.



:(


Are you going to keep Tri company on the blog so he doesn't feel lonely?

Comment by livingonli on 04/22/2008 13:46:11
Quote by Raine:

You met n69n!!!! Wow!





I even got to briefly say Hi to Lizz before HBK had to run to get up at insane o'clock and I had to go catch my train.



When I was waiting in Penn Station, I was in one of the newstands and they had Fox Business on the TV and the nightime talk show they had sounded like Lizz's show except they were doing it straight. I think my IQ was higher than all the people in that room combined.

Comment by Raine on 04/22/2008 13:49:36
I dunno about the blowing out of the water... but it is true that people with cell phones don't get the phone calls... I think that is why McCain keeps polling above either of the dems.

Comment by velveeta jones on 04/22/2008 13:50:00
Quote by livingonli:

Quote by velveeta jones:

Faye, I am feeling much better! At least during the day. By evening I still have a really bad nagging cough - and a hard time breathing. But I will not be making DC. Already canceled the hotel and now planning on laying a stone sidewalk for the front of my house.



:(


Are you going to keep Tri company on the blog so he doesn't feel lonely?


Yes, Tri and I will keep the blog warm............... maybe Aunt Azalea (my partner) will wander in. *sigh*



We promise not to post porn links................







Comment by Raine on 04/22/2008 13:51:45
IT was not the 1800's was it?



I thought polygamy ended much later than that.

Comment by Raine on 04/22/2008 13:52:19
:rofl: and that another thing!!!

Comment by Raine on 04/22/2008 13:52:31
Wow! SCreachy caller!

Comment by TriSec on 04/22/2008 13:53:59
Quote by velveeta jones:





We promise not to post porn links................











:whistling:

Comment by Raine on 04/22/2008 13:54:26
Quote by velveeta jones:

Quote by livingonli:

Quote by velveeta jones:

Faye, I am feeling much better! At least during the day. By evening I still have a really bad nagging cough - and a hard time breathing. But I will not be making DC. Already canceled the hotel and now planning on laying a stone sidewalk for the front of my house.



:(


Are you going to keep Tri company on the blog so he doesn't feel lonely?


Yes, Tri and I will keep the blog warm............... maybe Aunt Azalea (my partner) will wander in. *sigh*



We promise not to post porn links................









Awww. Darn....



Comment by livingonli on 04/22/2008 13:54:50
Quote by Raine:

Wow! SCreachy caller!


Indeed! He was extra crispy.

Comment by livingonli on 04/22/2008 13:56:01
Quote by TriSec:

Quote by velveeta jones:





We promise not to post porn links................











:whistling:


Not that porn.

Comment by livingonli on 04/22/2008 13:58:20
Headline News had a clip of the "Obama" vs. "Hillary" wrestling match last night.

Comment by Raine on 04/22/2008 13:59:12
Quote by livingonli:

Headline News had a clip of the "Obama" vs. "Hillary" wrestling match last night.
Guh... I can't bring myself to watch that.



MCain was on it too...







Comment by Raine on 04/22/2008 14:02:33




it's just fun!



(A bow wow parody)

Comment by wickedpam on 04/22/2008 14:04:00
Morning :hug:

Comment by m-hadley on 04/22/2008 14:07:23
Quote by velveeta jones:

Faye, I am feeling much better! At least during the day. By evening I still have a really bad nagging cough - and a hard time breathing. But I will not be making DC. Already canceled the hotel and now planning on laying a stone sidewalk for the front of my house.



:(


Damn, Velveeta,

I am really sorry to hear that you won't be in DC, but am happy to hear that it seems you are on the mend. Come on out to Tulsa with your wife sometime this summer and I'll show you all a good time :D

Cheers,

mfaye

BTB, that invitation is good for all 4Fers - just let me know, so I can be sure to be around... :)



Comment by livingonli on 04/22/2008 14:07:26
Good morning Mala. Don't forget to read my review of Lizz's show below.

Comment by Raine on 04/22/2008 14:08:16
:prince: I love the Rolling Stones!!! :banana:

Comment by Raine on 04/22/2008 14:08:40


Comment by wickedpam on 04/22/2008 14:08:45
I did read it Liv - sounded like a good show :)

Comment by livingonli on 04/22/2008 14:11:34
Quote by wickedpam:

I did read it Liv - sounded like a good show :)


And HBK is psyched for our meet-up.

Comment by Raine on 04/22/2008 14:11:49
BTW...



HAPPY EARTH DAY!!!


Comment by wickedpam on 04/22/2008 14:12:56
Quote by livingonli:

Quote by wickedpam:

I did read it Liv - sounded like a good show :)


And HBK is psyched for our meet-up.




I'm excited for the meet up too! Which reminds me I posted the weekend weather report on the DC Blog so everyone knows how to pack.



Comment by Raine on 04/22/2008 14:14:35
I can't wait for the meetup! Gonna see so many old friends and meet so many new ones! :banana:

Comment by wickedpam on 04/22/2008 14:17:57
Quote by Raine:

BTW...



HAPPY EARTH DAY!!!




Hug your World Today!




http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g37/Wicked_Pam/misc/big_gaia.gif


Comment by Raine on 04/22/2008 14:19:08
The robospanker 2000

Comment by BobR on 04/22/2008 14:23:14
Quote by livingonli:

Once Raine is up I will give my review of Lizz Winstead's Shoot the Messenger show last night.



The humor is definitely on a different level than Steph.


gee thanks... :kickcan:

Comment by Raine on 04/22/2008 14:23:46
So any exit pols in PA?

Comment by Raine on 04/22/2008 14:27:48




The bumper sticker was made of Plywood, attached with wire and screwed into the back of a packard...

Comment by livingonli on 04/22/2008 14:29:27
Quote by BobR:

Quote by livingonli:

Once Raine is up I will give my review of Lizz Winstead's Shoot the Messenger show last night.



The humor is definitely on a different level than Steph.


gee thanks... :kickcan:


I figured she usually pops in before you do. I wouldn't leave you out, ya big lug.



<--- awkward man hug.

Comment by BobR on 04/22/2008 14:30:22
That caller was a bit annoying...

Comment by Raine on 04/22/2008 14:30:33
Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by Raine:

BTW...



HAPPY EARTH DAY!!!




Hug your World Today!




http://www.geocities.com/rainforest/vines/1320/big_gaia.gif


Obama has issued an Earth Day statement:



Obama Statement on Earth Day





By Sam Graham-Felsen - Apr 22nd, 2008 at 9:19 am EDT



Chicago, IL — Today, Senator Obama issued the following statement to mark Earth Day.



“As America and the world observe Earth Day, the call to save our planet has never been more urgent. In recent years, we’ve seen the harm that more severe weather events can do. We’ve seen it in the droughts that have swept the South, the hurricanes that threaten our shores with increasing ferocity, and the rising sea levels that could one day submerge our cities. This is a challenge unlike any the world has ever faced, and America must lead the world to meet it.



“But Earth Day is not just an urgent call to action; it is a reminder that what is now a global effort began as a grassroots movement for change. Nearly forty years ago, our nation was at war, recession loomed on the horizon, and Americans were losing faith in their own government. But in the face of division and despair, young Americans came together around a common purpose. In high schools, and on college campuses, in small towns and big cities, they rose up to demand that Washington help solve our growing environmental crisis and establish Earth Day.



“While our planet is in greater peril now than it was forty years ago, we are now better prepared to protect it. From solar panels to windmills to biofuels, innovators in America and around the world are inventing our way to a clean energy future. But solving our climate crisis requires more than technological breakthroughs. Our leaders in Washington have to put what’s right for our planet ahead of what’s good for their friends in the energy industry. Executives in the energy industry have to understand that there’s nothing inconsistent about acting in a way that’s both responsible and profitable. And each of us has to do more in our own lives to use energy more efficiently.



“We have a choice in this country. We can continue with an energy policy that makes no sense, and serves the interests of the big oil and gas companies at great cost to our planet. Or we can choose a different future – a future where America is energy independent, and no longer funding both sides in the war on terror; a future where we’re leading rather than undermining the global effort to combat climate change; and investing in green energy technology, and creating the jobs of the future. That is the future I believe in, and that is the America I’m running for President to lead.



“On this Earth Day, let’s recapture in Washington, on Wall Street, and all across this country the spirit of unity and urgency that led those students to found Earth Day all those years ago. And if we can do that, then I truly believe we won’t just be freeing ourselves from the tyranny of oil, or saving this planet for our children, we’ll be fulfilling our obligation to be good stewards of God’s creation.”

Comment by Raine on 04/22/2008 14:34:14
Comment by Raine on 04/22/2008 14:36:59
Thanks Hilla... we can count on you to nuke the f*ck out of the middle east.

Comment by BobR on 04/22/2008 14:38:50
Can Obama overcome PA's racist voters?



Enquiring minds want to know!

Comment by Raine on 04/22/2008 14:39:13
I heard that this was going to happen, Hell voter fraud again.

Comment by Raine on 04/22/2008 14:40:23
Comment by livingonli on 04/22/2008 14:40:31


Oh, well. It looks like I won't have to buy a paper anymore since there will be no good New York papers left.



And how can Murdoch be allowed to own two newspapers and two TV stations in this market?

Comment by Raine on 04/22/2008 14:41:18
Here are Citizen reports... From Black Box Voting.

Comment by Raine on 04/22/2008 14:43:11
Quote by livingonli:



Oh, well. It looks like I won't have to buy a paper anymore since there will be no good New York papers left.



And how can Murdoch be allowed to own two newspapers and two TV stations in this market?
isn't that 3 papers? Didn't he buy the WSJ?



Comment by livingonli on 04/22/2008 14:44:37
Quote by Raine:

Quote by livingonli:



Oh, well. It looks like I won't have to buy a paper anymore since there will be no good New York papers left.



And how can Murdoch be allowed to own two newspapers and two TV stations in this market?
isn't that 3 papers? Didn't he buy the WSJ?



In many ways, the Wall Street Journal is more a national paper than a local one. That's the only reason I count it separately.

Comment by Raine on 04/22/2008 14:51:24
I am trying to find a site that is following what the voting machines are doing in PA.

Comment by Raine on 04/22/2008 14:54:21
NYC STILL has not counted those votes...

Comment by Raine on 04/22/2008 14:57:27
More reason why it is so important for SO MANY people to vote that they can't steal it!

Comment by Raine on 04/22/2008 15:07:34
Comment by wickedpam on 04/22/2008 15:12:22
Chris is the



DIRECTOR!


http://blogs.gelman.gwu.edu/blogs/eckles/files/2007/05/director.jpg


Comment by wickedpam on 04/22/2008 15:14:27
Oh no! Are we sure that's not a sample ballot handed out by Hillary Dems?

Comment by Raine on 04/22/2008 15:23:34
Quote by wickedpam:

Oh no! Are we sure that's not a sample ballot handed out by Hillary Dems?


I removed the Picture, becuase it was too big, but it looks like yes, soemone is handing these out as sample ballots. The problem is that it has a union logo, and the name of a county commishioner.. NOT cool, and VERY disenfranching

Comment by TriSec on 04/22/2008 15:26:36
:thud:



scroll partway down...you can display all the inbound traffic to your airport in real-time via Google Earth!



: drools, wets self :





Comment by Raine on 04/22/2008 15:32:01
Comment by Raine on 04/22/2008 15:37:33
MSNBC is reporting that there are reports of broken Voting machines in Philly area.

Comment by m-hadley on 04/22/2008 15:38:32
Hey everybody,

Have you all seen the Pelosi/Gingrich & Sharpton/Robertson Climate ads? I just had a vision of Momma and Bay Buchanan both riding that fake bull at Gilley’s in order to bring more attention to Climate Change - Get on that Al Gore :D

Cheers,

mfaye







Comment by livingonli on 04/22/2008 15:39:10
Raine, sent you a PM.

Comment by Raine on 04/22/2008 15:43:27
Election commisioner is denying that the machines are not working,,, the reporters are saying the opposite.



And it is coming from the Obama campaign, he is REALLY aangry

Comment by Raine on 04/22/2008 15:46:53
MSNBC reported that some precincts only have one or 2 machines and the lines are very long.



Sound familair?

Comment by BobR on 04/22/2008 15:50:52
Quote by Raine:

MSNBC reported that some precincts only have one or 2 machines and the lines are very long.



Sound familair?


FL, OH, PA...



Which state in 2012?... get your vote in now!



Comment by Raine on 04/22/2008 15:52:55
Responded liv.

Comment by IzzyBitz on 04/22/2008 15:53:15
Happy Primary Earth Day or whatevah!



I heard clips of the candidates on WWE and KooKooBananas on Deal or No Deal on the Sirius machine. It's the end of the world as I know it. I was left feeling more than a bit disgusted. Forget the messenger, just shoot me.

Comment by Raine on 04/22/2008 15:57:17
Hey buddy can you spare some change?

Comment by Raine on 04/22/2008 15:57:58
Cindy: he hits me not becuase of his temper... but becuase he loves me.





HEya Izzy!

Comment by IzzyBitz on 04/22/2008 15:58:47
A predicted close election and not enough voting machines, with some broken ones just in case?! Why are you surprised?

Comment by Raine on 04/22/2008 15:59:53
MSNBC is bringing out Brian Williams on the MSNBC machine.

Comment by wickedpam on 04/22/2008 16:00:12
Okay my brain is blanking out - how can I tell what version of the MicroSoft operating system I have?

Comment by IzzyBitz on 04/22/2008 16:01:17
Hi Raine! And c*nt is his pet name for her. OY!

Comment by livingonli on 04/22/2008 16:03:36
Quote by IzzyBitz:

A predicted close election and not enough voting machines, with some broken ones just in case?! Why are you surprised?


Diebold. Helping Republicans "win" elections since 2000. And I'm certain that they can also be rigged for the Democratic candidate the Republicans want to take on.

Comment by shelaghc on 04/22/2008 16:10:31
Does anyone know anyone in Pennsylvania or the surrounding areas who'd be willing to adopt two older dogs? They outlived their Mom and if they don't find a home soon, the "shelter" will euthanize them.



I just got a post in Livejournal about the poor things.



Apparently they're very healthy, but they're both twelve years old and most people want younger dogs.





This is Dulcy, and this is Tess.

Comment by Raine on 04/22/2008 16:12:47
Comment by IzzyBitz on 04/22/2008 16:14:32
As I predicted last night, it's gonna be an ugly day in politics. I hate it when I'm right.

Comment by Raine on 04/22/2008 16:15:30
Quote by IzzyBitz:

Hi Raine! And c*nt is his pet name for her. OY!
Ain't they romantic?!?!



Comment by Raine on 04/22/2008 16:16:53
Quote by IzzyBitz:

As I predicted last night, it's gonna be an ugly day in politics. I hate it when I'm right.
I have hated that feelign for the past 8 years.



Comment by Raine on 04/22/2008 16:18:08
Chuck Todd just said that HALF the PA Vote comes out of Philadelphia.

Comment by BobR on 04/22/2008 16:27:02
Quote by wickedpam:

Okay my brain is blanking out - how can I tell what version of the MicroSoft operating system I have?


right-click on "My Computer" and select "Properties"



Comment by Raine on 04/22/2008 16:31:56
Comment by Raine on 04/22/2008 16:38:23
It's always black precincts that seem to have these issues, isn't it?

Comment by wickedpam on 04/22/2008 16:41:33
Quote by BobR:

Quote by wickedpam:

Okay my brain is blanking out - how can I tell what version of the MicroSoft operating system I have?


right-click on "My Computer" and select "Properties"







I knew it was something easy :thud:

Comment by Raine on 04/22/2008 16:41:53
Claire McCaskill on the TV machine, Williams is asking about the new hillorist ad.



She is saying that the ad is making the dems very nervous. She is saying the writing is on the wall for hillary.



Superdelagates have gone 84-5 for Obama in the past 30 days!

Comment by Raine on 04/22/2008 16:42:37
Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by BobR:

Quote by wickedpam:

Okay my brain is blanking out - how can I tell what version of the MicroSoft operating system I have?


right-click on "My Computer" and select "Properties"







I knew it was something easy :thud:
Mala having a blonde moment!



(happens to me ALL the time) :hug:



Comment by Raine on 04/22/2008 16:44:41
:puke: tweety on the msnbc machine.

Comment by livingonli on 04/22/2008 16:47:55
Where's been the last two days?

Comment by shelaghc on 04/22/2008 16:49:20
Quote by shelaghc:

Does anyone know anyone in Pennsylvania or the surrounding areas who'd be willing to adopt two older dogs? They outlived their Mom and if they don't find a home soon, the "shelter" will euthanize them.



I just got a post in Livejournal about the poor things.



Apparently they're very healthy, but they're both twelve years old and most people want younger dogs.





This is Dulcy, and this is Tess.




bumping

Comment by jd_in_ny on 04/22/2008 16:56:39
"sometimes we have to hit rock bottom"

dear God, I thought we had.

Comment by wickedpam on 04/22/2008 16:58:38
Quote by Raine:

Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by BobR:

Quote by wickedpam:

Okay my brain is blanking out - how can I tell what version of the MicroSoft operating system I have?


right-click on "My Computer" and select "Properties"







I knew it was something easy :thud:
Mala having a blonde moment!



(happens to me ALL the time) :hug:







Trust me so do I :hug:



ALthough today it's more a redhead moment (did my hair over the weekend, not sure if I like it or not)



Comment by wickedpam on 04/22/2008 17:00:09
Quote by shelaghc:

Quote by shelaghc:

Does anyone know anyone in Pennsylvania or the surrounding areas who'd be willing to adopt two older dogs? They outlived their Mom and if they don't find a home soon, the "shelter" will euthanize them.



I just got a post in Livejournal about the poor things.



Apparently they're very healthy, but they're both twelve years old and most people want younger dogs.





This is Dulcy, and this is Tess.




bumping




They're so cute! I wish my place was big enough and I wasn't such a worrier about leaving a dog alone.



Comment by Raine on 04/22/2008 17:03:00
Quote by jd_in_ny:

"sometimes we have to hit rock bottom"

dear God, I thought we had.
:(



Me too, but people keep moving the bottom lower.



Comment by Raine on 04/22/2008 17:05:32
Obama Site Hacked...



Guess where it redirects to?



Yes.

Comment by Raine on 04/22/2008 17:31:43
Comment by Raine on 04/22/2008 17:34:14
Hillary is NOT a progressive Woman. (for those that watch the vid)



Hillary is NOT ginger rogers.





Comment by IzzyBitz on 04/22/2008 17:47:24
Hillary won't even bake cookies for "her man" for goodness sake, let alone brush a horse or shine her spurs.

Comment by Raine on 04/22/2008 18:07:07




Barack takes the ABC debate moderators to town... :rofl:

Comment by Raine on 04/22/2008 18:09:31
:rofl:





Comment by velveeta jones on 04/22/2008 18:10:46
I got home from work last night just in time to catch Obama on Jon Stewart! He was........ (in the words of gw bush) "AWESOME"!



:clap:

Comment by Mondobubba on 04/22/2008 18:12:50
Quote by velveeta jones:

I got home from work last night just in time to catch Obama on Jon Stewart! He was........ (in the words of gw bush) "AWESOME"!



:clap:






I'm a-fixin' to watch it! No spoilers!

Comment by velveeta jones on 04/22/2008 18:14:22
Won't spoil it fer ya! I have to go get ready for work, anyway. Must take my "once a month" bath.







:lol:

Comment by wickedpam on 04/22/2008 18:14:32
Quote by Raine:

:rofl:







That's really cute! :spit:



Comment by Mondobubba on 04/22/2008 18:17:04
"Enslave the white race." :rofl::rofl:

Comment by Mondobubba on 04/22/2008 18:21:00
Quote by Raine:

:rofl:









Brilliant!

Comment by Mondobubba on 04/22/2008 18:22:24
Quote by velveeta jones:

Won't spoil it fer ya! I have to go get ready for work, anyway. Must take my "once a month" bath.







:lol:






Is this some sorta chick thing that I can't understand because I have a y chromesome?

Comment by starling310 on 04/22/2008 18:40:55
:thud:



Comment by Mondobubba on 04/22/2008 18:44:50
Quote by starling310:

:thud:







Did I make little :thud:?

Comment by starling310 on 04/22/2008 18:53:42
Oh no Mondo, twas not you.



Sorry I have been absent yesterday and today. . .

I've got more on my plate than I can eat!



Daily work.

I have offered myself to another dept. as a Flash/Intranet resource.

I am doing a site redesign for my friend's husband.

And, we are trying to pull together a Spring Show at my little theater.

Haven't had time to blog, or listen to momma.



Mondo, are you coming to DC!?!?!?



Comment by Mondobubba on 04/22/2008 19:11:31
Quote by starling310:

Oh no Mondo, twas not you.



Sorry I have been absent yesterday and today. . .

I've got more on my plate than I can eat!



Daily work.

I have offered myself to another dept. as a Flash/Intranet resource.

I am doing a site redesign for my friend's husband.

And, we are trying to pull together a Spring Show at my little theater.

Haven't had time to blog, or listen to momma.



Mondo, are you coming to DC!?!?!?





Oy! Little is being run ragged! indeed!



Well I would hope so! I'm Raine n Bobber's ride!

Comment by starling310 on 04/22/2008 19:16:47
Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by starling310:

Oh no Mondo, twas not you.



Sorry I have been absent yesterday and today. . .

I've got more on my plate than I can eat!



Daily work.

I have offered myself to another dept. as a Flash/Intranet resource.

I am doing a site redesign for my friend's husband.

And, we are trying to pull together a Spring Show at my little theater.

Haven't had time to blog, or listen to momma.



Mondo, are you coming to DC!?!?!?





Oy! Little is being run ragged! indeed!



Well I would hope so! I'm Raine n Bobber's ride!




Oh MY GOODNESS! Then you better be there.

I get to meet all y'alls!!! WOO HOO! :banana:



Comment by Mondobubba on 04/22/2008 19:18:15
Quote by starling310:

Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by starling310:

Oh no Mondo, twas not you.



Sorry I have been absent yesterday and today. . .

I've got more on my plate than I can eat!



Daily work.

I have offered myself to another dept. as a Flash/Intranet resource.

I am doing a site redesign for my friend's husband.

And, we are trying to pull together a Spring Show at my little theater.

Haven't had time to blog, or listen to momma.



Mondo, are you coming to DC!?!?!?





Oy! Little is being run ragged! indeed!



Well I would hope so! I'm Raine n Bobber's ride!




Oh MY GOODNESS! Then you better be there.

I get to meet all y'alls!!! WOO HOO! :banana:





W00T! I'm a gettin' excited!

Comment by starling310 on 04/22/2008 19:19:12
Incidentally, The Mist?

WORST.

MOVIE.

EVER.



Comment by starling310 on 04/22/2008 19:20:04
Me too Mondo! Me too! I won't be there until Saturday, early afternoon.

Save some booze for me you crazy kids.



Comment by Mondobubba on 04/22/2008 19:30:30
Quote by starling310:

Incidentally, The Mist?

WORST.

MOVIE.

EVER.







Steven King? Blah blah blah? Cheesy looking CGI thing in the mist? Why?



I think the serious drinking will be that night :star:

Comment by wickedpam on 04/22/2008 19:33:56
Quote by starling310:

Incidentally, The Mist?

WORST.

MOVIE.

EVER.





Dang and I wanted to see that one too. Oh well, the original John Carpenter's The Fog still reigns supreme in the weather suspense genre.



Try Cloverfield- I thought it was a pretty good monster movie.



Comment by starling310 on 04/22/2008 19:36:02
Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by starling310:

Incidentally, The Mist?

WORST.

MOVIE.

EVER.







Steven King? Blah blah blah? Cheesy looking CGI thing in the mist? Why?



I think the serious drinking will be that night :star:










Without the CGI creatures, it may have been ok. The acting wasn't good really either. But, as a concept it was interesting. I felt it was a pretty big metaphor for the religious right and their ability to BRAINWASH people, whilst in a state of fear. But, at the end when there are only 4 bullets?? Yikes. Predictable. But, still that was moral dilemna, big time.

I just hate, hate, hate, when they don't leave "the monster" to your imagination.

That movie may have been creepy if people just "disappeared."



Comment by starling310 on 04/22/2008 19:40:15
Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by starling310:

Incidentally, The Mist?

WORST.

MOVIE.

EVER.





Dang and I wanted to see that one too. Oh well, the original John Carpenter's The Fog still reigns supreme in the weather suspense genre.



Try Cloverfield- I thought it was a pretty good monster movie.





I don't like any "monster" movie where they show the actual "monster." It's never as scary as what I have imagined and it always ruins it.

As much as I can't stand M. Night Ramalangadingdong, I liked "Signs" . . . . UNTIL he showed the damn alien!!!!

Damn you, M. Night!!!



Comment by Mondobubba on 04/22/2008 19:45:47
Quote by starling310:

Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by starling310:

Incidentally, The Mist?

WORST.

MOVIE.

EVER.





Dang and I wanted to see that one too. Oh well, the original John Carpenter's The Fog still reigns supreme in the weather suspense genre.



Try Cloverfield- I thought it was a pretty good monster movie.





I don't like any "monster" movie where they show the actual "monster." It's never as scary as what I have imagined and it always ruins it.

As much as I can't stand M. Night Ramalangadingdong, I liked "Signs" . . . . UNTIL he showed the damn alien!!!!

Damn you, M. Night!!!





This is why the X-Files was so great. You never saw the aliens etc....

Comment by Mondobubba on 04/22/2008 19:47:08
Quote by starling310:

Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by starling310:

Incidentally, The Mist?

WORST.

MOVIE.

EVER.





Dang and I wanted to see that one too. Oh well, the original John Carpenter's The Fog still reigns supreme in the weather suspense genre.



Try Cloverfield- I thought it was a pretty good monster movie.





I don't like any "monster" movie where they show the actual "monster." It's never as scary as what I have imagined and it always ruins it.

As much as I can't stand M. Night Ramalangadingdong, I liked "Signs" . . . . UNTIL he showed the damn alien!!!!

Damn you, M. Night!!!





Samalangdangit?

Comment by starling310 on 04/22/2008 19:47:15
TOTALLY Mondo!!! X-Files is a perfect example! They left it to the viewer's imagination. They showed you the "crime," or result of the monster, but never the monster itself.



:nervous:

Comment by TriSec on 04/22/2008 19:50:20
But what about Lord Kimboat?





Comment by BobR on 04/22/2008 19:52:21
I felt the same about the TV Adaptation of Stephen King's "It". In the book, he says that the monster was so mind-warpingly terrifying, that their brains rendered it as looking something like a spider because that's the only way they could deal with it and still retain their sanity.



And then they make the movie and have the actors beating on a bad giant spider prop that looked like it belonged on someone's front porch at Halloween...



:rolleyes2:

Comment by starling310 on 04/22/2008 19:52:39
I think I missed that episode!

Comment by Mondobubba on 04/22/2008 19:52:40
Quote by TriSec:

But what about Lord Kimboat?









Not a real monster.

Comment by starling310 on 04/22/2008 19:55:28
Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by TriSec:

But what about Lord Kimboat?









Not a real monster.




Boys! Boys. Don't fight. You're both prettier than Lord Kinbote.





Comment by wickedpam on 04/22/2008 19:56:52
Loved X-Files but after awhile it got really tedious to me. Sometimes you just want the payoff.



I'm telling ya Cloverfield was actually good, made me jump a couple of times. It has that Blair Witch filming quality though, you'd think someone would find the stabilzer on one of this cameras. But it was dimmly lit, parts of it were in total dark and all you heard was voices and sounds, you never got a clear look at the monster until the actors were higher up in buildings. I think they did a really good job. THink it will view better on a big screen.



Signs bored me to death and then I was competely let down by the end. Same with The Woods or what ever that one with the little red riding hood girl.

Comment by starling310 on 04/22/2008 19:57:50
MALA WANTS THE MONEY SHOT!





Comment by starling310 on 04/22/2008 19:58:30
Quote by wickedpam:

Loved X-Files but after awhile it got really tedious to me. Sometimes you just want the payoff.



I'm telling ya Cloverfield was actually good, made me jump a couple of times. It has that Blair Witch filming quality though, you'd think someone would find the stabilzer on one of this cameras. But it was dimmly lit, parts of it were in total dark and all you heard was voices and sounds, you never got a clear look at the monster until the actors were higher up in buildings. I think they did a really good job. THink it will view better on a big screen.



Signs bored me to death and then I was competely let down by the end. Same with The Woods or what ever that one with the little red riding hood girl.




Ugh...The Village! LAME! LAME! LAME!

Yeah, me no likee M. Night.



Comment by TriSec on 04/22/2008 20:02:26
Well, then I guess I'll pass on incurring Mondo's and Star's wrath with the TriSec's opinion of Mr. M. Night Shymalan. (the one about the watery tart lying in a pond was a bit much, though.)





Comment by starling310 on 04/22/2008 20:06:27
Quote by TriSec:

Well, then I guess I'll pass on incurring Mondo's and Star's wrath with the TriSec's opinion of Mr. M. Night Shymalan. (the one about the watery tart lying in a pond was a bit much, though.)







You like?



I liked Sixth Sense And, Unbreakable. But, I dunno, he has blown it big time, on more than one occassion.



What surprised me about the Mist was that it was the same Frank Darabont, who did The Shawshank Redemption and The Green Mile. :shrug:

Comment by TriSec on 04/22/2008 20:07:09
Quote by starling310:

Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by TriSec:

But what about Lord Kimboat?









Not a real monster.




Boys! Boys. Don't fight. You're both prettier than Lord Kinbote.









http://bestuff.com/images/images_of_stuff/210x600/lord-kinbote-25752.jpg




Mondo! Be thou not afraid! No harm will come unto thee!





Comment by starling310 on 04/22/2008 20:07:42
Ooh.....2010.....release of Farenheit 451. Please don't f*ck it up!



Comment by wickedpam on 04/22/2008 20:09:02
Quote by starling310:

MALA WANTS THE MONEY SHOT!









:rofl:

Comment by TriSec on 04/22/2008 20:39:23
Say Mondo, wave east and up, my inlaws are passing by Jacksonville right now, but way offshore.





Comment by Raine on 04/22/2008 20:48:45
Comment by livingonli on 04/22/2008 21:00:35
Quote by TriSec:

Quote by starling310:

Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by TriSec:

But what about Lord Kimboat?









Not a real monster.




Boys! Boys. Don't fight. You're both prettier than Lord Kinbote.









http://bestuff.com/images/images_of_stuff/210x600/lord-kinbote-25752.jpg




Mondo! Be thou not afraid! No harm will come unto thee!





He doesn't stand a chance against this thing. And he brought help.



http://lh5.ggpht.com/dellandreaa/RqnnJJ8zrqI/AAAAAAAAAXk/smSbqmRJWeU/P1000270.JPG?imgmax=512


Comment by livingonli on 04/22/2008 21:03:49
But here he is after a really bad day with the Hulk.



http://www.leaderslair.com/gammapeople/hulksmashes/ffun4.gif


Comment by starling310 on 04/22/2008 21:05:35
Or this guy:



http://www.venganza.org/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/fsmbig.gif


Comment by starling310 on 04/22/2008 21:06:50
Ooh...listening to Momma from this morning.

Richard Cheese's Milkshake!!!







Comment by Raine on 04/22/2008 21:21:58
Comment by TriSec on 04/22/2008 21:22:08
There is only one true superhero...



http://farm1.static.flickr.com/31/45583210_fa76f42d3f_m.jpg


Comment by BobR on 04/22/2008 21:38:36
Quote by Raine:

Exit Poll!!!


BOO!! HISS!!





Comment by livingonli on 04/22/2008 21:38:45
Randi, you should not be wishing that the Republicans nominated Ghouilani. It was improtant that his political ambitions were shot down because he would have just been a smarter Bush and would have assured that the country went full-blown fascist.

Comment by Raine on 04/22/2008 21:42:14
Drudge has no link, but is reporting the 5 pm exit polls, Clinton 52, Obama 48... Cnn reporting that 92% of all black voters in PA have voted for Barack.



And here ends the first exit poll reports.

Comment by Raine on 04/22/2008 21:43:19
BTW, for those that are listening to Randi, regarding the hillary Nuke comment, 3 of her top campaign staffers have said that she didn't mean what she said.





Comment by Raine on 04/22/2008 21:45:06
Comment by Raine on 04/22/2008 21:58:42
Quote by BobR:

Quote by Raine:

Exit Poll!!!


BOO!! HISS!!





:rofl:



Wow. Good thing you aren't my husb... HEY!!!!!

Comment by livingonli on 04/22/2008 22:30:53
Quote by Raine:

Quote by BobR:

Quote by Raine:

Exit Poll!!!


BOO!! HISS!!





:rofl:



Wow. Good thing you aren't my husb... HEY!!!!!


Someone's sleeping on the couch tonight.

Comment by Mondobubba on 04/22/2008 22:38:39
Livin, what is the reaction in the comic geek community to Robert Downy Jr in "Ironman?"

Comment by Raine on 04/22/2008 23:39:12
I had td to restart my machine, but at 730, Tweety Announced that the polls on PA were closed. I have a witness. What a tool...

Comment by Mondobubba on 04/22/2008 23:50:41
So what to watch. "Nova" or election coverage? Click and Clack, the Tappet brothers are a gonna be on Nova; the regular mooks are on the election coverage. :shrug:

Comment by livingonli on 04/23/2008 00:19:02
Quote by Mondobubba:

Livin, what is the reaction in the comic geek community to Robert Downy Jr in "Ironman?"


A little bit of a wait and see attitude. Downey's own addictions could give him some insight into a character who has had his own battle with addiction since one of the most acclaimed Iron Man storylines was the one in Iron Man #120-128 in which Tony Stark came to terms with his own alcoholism. Although Marvel has done well with the Spider-Man and X-Men franchises. The attempts in building franchise films out of the other characters hasn't worked out so well. Note that the new Hulk film this summer has a largely different cast and will probably ignore most of what happened in the Ang Lee film.

Comment by starling310 on 04/23/2008 00:20:11
Quote by Raine:

Exit Poll!!!




:doh: you tricked me!

Comment by Mondobubba on 04/23/2008 00:36:49
Quote by livingonli:

Quote by Mondobubba:

Livin, what is the reaction in the comic geek community to Robert Downy Jr in "Ironman?"


A little bit of a wait and see attitude. Downey's own addictions could give him some insight into a character who has had his own battle with addiction since one of the most acclaimed Iron Man storylines was the one in Iron Man #120-128 in which Tony Stark came to terms with his own alcoholism. Although Marvel has done well with the Spider-Man and X-Men franchises. The attempts in building franchise films out of the other characters hasn't worked out so well. Note that the new Hulk film this summer has a largely different cast and will probably ignore most of what happened in the Ang Lee film.




Well damn Livin, I thank you for the trenchant analysis, but I was looking more for a Comic Book Guy kinda answer!

Comment by starling310 on 04/23/2008 00:38:10
Cheezus. Rachel can't get a word in edge wise!

Comment by Mondobubba on 04/23/2008 00:38:14
Quote by starling310:

Quote by Raine:

Exit Poll!!!




:doh: you tricked me!






Sneaky, ain't she???



Comment by starling310 on 04/23/2008 00:46:54
What's this "we" Kemosabe? When did "Morning Joe" start playing for our team?





Comment by livingonli on 04/23/2008 00:47:47
How does the National Journal determine who has the "most Liberal" voting record? I would put Feingold or Sanders higher up on the list.

Comment by Mondobubba on 04/23/2008 00:51:09
Ray:(to GM VP of environmental whatever) Five-hundred horse power? Who needs that kind of shit???

Comment by starling310 on 04/23/2008 00:52:53
How has she won if only 3% is in?



Comment by Mondobubba on 04/23/2008 00:54:08
3% of the vote and they are saying Clinton wins? Whaaaa? :thud:

Comment by Mondobubba on 04/23/2008 00:56:24
Quote by starling310:

How has she won if only 3% is in?







:star: Get out of my head!



If you stay, don't go in the room marked sekret nobody goez in here.

Comment by starling310 on 04/23/2008 00:57:46
MY EYES! MY EYES!!!



MONDO, YOU'RE TOO LATE! I ALREADY LOOKED!

Comment by jd_in_ny on 04/23/2008 00:59:00
Now they're saying she's been "declared" the winner -- it's a projection based on 3/4% of the results and exit polling

sloppy sloppy sloppy

Comment by livingonli on 04/23/2008 00:59:26
Quote by Mondobubba:

3% of the vote and they are saying Clinton wins? Whaaaa? :thud:


They must be using exit polls to determine the numbers especially if Philadelphia has higher Obama support than the rest of the state.

Comment by Mondobubba on 04/23/2008 01:03:39
Ah the good Doctor giving Buchanan the stink eye.

Comment by Mondobubba on 04/23/2008 01:06:11
Quote by starling310:

MY EYES! MY EYES!!!



MONDO, YOU'RE TOO LATE! I ALREADY LOOKED!




Ohh lordy! Mandy, Fainter! Stat! :pats on the cheeks: Stay with me, STAY WITH ME!

Comment by livingonli on 04/23/2008 01:10:15
But Obama and Edwards weren't on the ballot in Michigan so that wasn't much of a victory.

Comment by Mondobubba on 04/23/2008 01:11:38
: cradles Star: It will be okay. Don't close your eyes. What did you see???

Comment by starling310 on 04/23/2008 01:15:19
I'd rather not say, Mondo. But here is a picture:

http://bestuff.com/images/images_of_stuff/210x600/lord-kinbote-25752.jpg


Comment by starling310 on 04/23/2008 01:16:14
:cheese:UZ! Can we get the money out of politics?!?! That is all they talk about.



Comment by IzzyBitz on 04/23/2008 01:17:06






Comment by livingonli on 04/23/2008 01:17:22
Flyers-Caps are tied 2-2 with 9 minutes in the third period.

Comment by livingonli on 04/23/2008 01:19:01
Quote by starling310:

:cheese:UZ! Can we get the money out of politics?!?! That is all they talk about.



I'll drink to that. Money is part of the problem.

Comment by Mondobubba on 04/23/2008 01:23:18
Quote by starling310:

I'd rather not say, Mondo. But here is a picture:

http://bestuff.com/images/images_of_stuff/210x600/lord-kinbote-25752.jpg






Thank goodness. None of that horrific Condi dominate Bush stuff. Phew!

Comment by starling310 on 04/23/2008 01:30:11
This "He couldn't win Florida" argument irks me. THERE WAS NO REAL PRIMARY IN FLORIDA!!!!



Comment by starling310 on 04/23/2008 01:33:04
"Why am I here?" <------ Dr. Maddow

Comment by Mondobubba on 04/23/2008 01:36:00
Quote by starling310:

"Why am I here?" <------ Dr. Maddow






Is she giving Buchanan stink eye again?? :D

Comment by TriSec on 04/23/2008 01:37:26
Evening, folks. Back from an airport run to pick up the wingnuts-in-law.



It was a pleasure destroying the TSA and the Bush "administration" when mum-in-law asked me why they have to do all the security stuff with the shoes and the liquids and things of this nature.



I think a wee little scale might have fallen away from that eye.





Comment by velveeta jones on 04/23/2008 01:43:39
Back from werk! Whats happening? I hear that Hills won. No big surprise. Still, she'll have to work on that "time travel" device............





Comment by starling310 on 04/23/2008 01:54:20
Quote by TriSec:

Evening, folks. Back from an airport run to pick up the wingnuts-in-law.



It was a pleasure destroying the TSA and the Bush "administration" when mum-in-law asked me why they have to do all the security stuff with the shoes and the liquids and things of this nature.



I think a wee little scale might have fallen away from that eye.







:clap:



Ah, yes, the delight in seeing the denial wash away a bit when it's skin off their back.



Comment by Raine on 04/23/2008 01:54:39
hey guys... Pissing me off tonite the pundits are... altho Rach has, as always been a joy.





I take it saw that look she gave Patsy buchanan.

Comment by livingonli on 04/23/2008 01:55:12
Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by starling310:

"Why am I here?" <------ Dr. Maddow






Is she giving Buchanan stink eye again?? :D


I think we know why she still does the Air America show. It's probably the only thing keeping her somewhat sane.

Comment by livingonli on 04/23/2008 02:06:06
So, what hand is Diebold having in the outcome in the Philadelphia market since returns are having trouble coming through?

Comment by livingonli on 04/23/2008 02:08:43
Flyers beat the Capitals. So, for Round Two the Rangers will play the Penguins while the Flyers will play Les Canadiens.

Comment by velveeta jones on 04/23/2008 02:15:23
UM............... ?



:blink:



LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Miley Cyrus, the 15-year-old teen idol better known as "Hannah Montana," plans to write a memoir about her journey to stardom, the Disney Book Group said on Tuesday.


Comment by livingonli on 04/23/2008 02:17:47
Listening to Malloy on delay on the XM machine. Sirius pre-empted part of the show for primary coverage.

Comment by Mondobubba on 04/23/2008 02:21:01
Comment by livingonli on 04/23/2008 03:12:33
He'll be on the Daily Show tonight.

Comment by Raine on 04/23/2008 03:28:07
Comment by Raine on 04/23/2008 03:31:42
Comment by jd_in_ny on 04/23/2008 03:38:21


I don't know if it rises to an "unendorsement", but it is definitely a warning.

I remember being so excited that we had so many great candidates, in the beginning. This -- Clinton -- has been so disappointing to me. I was excited to vote for her as my Senator, now I often feel personally insulted when she or one of her surrogates talk about politics and the political process.

I agree with her on almost all of her policy positions- except for the fact that she has not been strong enough in saying that her Iraq vote was a huge mistake and for her recent ride into crazytown on Iran...



I don't want this to be a "hold your nose and vote Democrat (and think of England?)" year - I still don't. I hope SOMEONE takes heed to what the Times and others are saying