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Author: TriSec    Date: 06/10/2008 10:57:14

Good Morning.

Today is our 1,910th day in Iraq.

We'll start as we always do, with the latest casualty figures from the warron terra, courtesy of Antiwar.com:

American Deaths
Since war began (3/19/03): 4094
Since "Mission Accomplished" (5/1/03): 3955
Since Capture of Saddam (12/13/03): 3633
Since Handover (6/29/04): 3235
Since Election (1/31/05): 2657

Other Coalition Troops: 313
US Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 517


We find this morning's cost of war passing through: $527, 057, 650, 000 .00



I really hate 'potpourri'....but I've got a mishmosh of stories I've been collecting for the past few days, so I guess the term fits today.

First off, the most common injury from this war is "traumatic brain injury"...but perhaps second on the list is Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. Those of us that lived through September 11 are carry a touch of PTSD...now imagine that increased by a thousand fold. How did you get through it? Even to this day, the sight of a low-flying commercial jet gives me pause, and I wasn't even in New York. So how do you think the soldiers at Ft. Benning feel?



A Washington Post article published Tuesday tells the story of three Fort Benning soldiers with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. The soldiers say living in barracks across from a firing range is setting off the disorder.

The claims made in Tuesday morning's Washington Post focus on the fact the Warrior Transition Battalion which houses wounded soldiers is located across the street from a firing range.

News 3 spent the afternoon at Fort Benning and got some answers directly from the battalion commander.

Imagine coming home after being wounded in a battle zone, then move into a barrack right across from a firing range.

It's the recent claim made by three Fort Benning soldiers, who live at the Warrior Transition Battalion on post.

“In the time that I’ve been here we haven't had any issues relating to the noise,” said Lieutenant Colonel Sean Mulcahey, the commander of the Warrior Transition Battalion.

The noise the soldiers are talking about is gunfire. They claim it's setting off their Post Traumatic Stress Disorder or PTSD.

“We take PTSD very seriously because we have about 10 to 15 percent of our soldiers out of 350 that we currently have assigned have been diagnosed with PTSD,” he said.

Mulcahey says the barracks were built at their location for a reason.

“They are in close proximity to the theatre, mini mall, PX, dining facilities and to other post services, and so those are the things that went into the decision as I understand it,” he said.



Along the lines of PTSD...'collateral damage' refers to those unintended targets that are destroyed when a legitimate target is hit...kinda like a school or hospital across the street from a military base. But what happens when those unintended targets are men? Or worse, American soldiers?
Troops, when they battle insurgent forces, as in Iraq, or Gaza or Vietnam, are placed in “atrocity producing situations.” Being surrounded by a hostile population makes simple acts, such as going to a store to buy a can of Coke, dangerous. The fear and stress push troops to view everyone around them as the enemy. The hostility is compounded when the enemy, as in Iraq, is elusive, shadowy and hard to find. The rage soldiers feel after a roadside bomb explodes, killing or maiming their comrades, is one that is easily directed, over time, to innocent civilians who are seen to support the insurgents.

Civilians and combatants, in the eyes of the beleaguered troops, merge into one entity. These civilians, who rarely interact with soldiers or Marines, are to most of the occupation troops in Iraq nameless, faceless, and easily turned into abstractions of hate. They are dismissed as less than human. It is a short psychological leap, but a massive moral leap. It is a leap from killing — the shooting of someone who has the capacity to do you harm — to murder — the deadly assault against someone who cannot harm you.

The war in Iraq is now primarily about murder. There is very little killing. The savagery and brutality of the occupation is tearing apart those who have been deployed to Iraq. As news reports have just informed us, 115 American soldiers committed suicide in 2007. This is a 13% increase in suicides over 2006. And the suicides, as they did in the Vietnam War years, will only rise as distraught veterans come home, unwrap the self-protective layers of cotton wool that keep them from feeling, and face the awful reality of what they did to innocents in Iraq

American Marines and soldiers have become socialized to atrocity. The killing project is not described in these terms to a distant public. The politicians still speak in the abstract terms of glory, honor, and heroism, in the necessity of improving the world, in lofty phrases of political and spiritual renewal. Those who kill large numbers of people always claim it as a virtue. The campaign to rid the world of terror is expressed within the confines of this rhetoric, as if once all terrorists are destroyed evil itself will vanish.

The reality behind the myth, however, is very different. The reality and the ideal tragically clash when soldiers and Marines return home. These combat veterans are often alienated from the world around them, a world that still believes in the myth of war and the virtues of the nation. They confront the grave, existential crisis of all who go through combat and understand that we have no monopoly on virtue, that in war we become as barbaric and savage as those we oppose.

This is a profound crisis of faith. It shatters the myths, national and religious, that these young men and women were fed before they left for Iraq. In short, they uncover the lie they have been told. Their relationship with the nation will never be the same. These veterans give us a true narrative of the war — one that exposes the vast enterprise of industrial slaughter unleashed in Iraq. They expose the lie...



Lastly this morning....a commentary by Jim Hightower. And if you don't routinely read or listen to his columns....you need to start.
On January 2nd, yet another American soldier died in Iraq. But Staff Sergeant Ryan Maseth, a highly-decorated Green Beret, didn’t die from a roadside bomb or an al Queda sniper. He was killed by his shower.

More accurately, Sgt. Maseth's killer was privatization. That's the out-of-control policy of turning over essential military support systems to a sprawling, unregulated network of for-profit corporations and letting them get away again and again with shoddy - even deadly - work.

Sgt. Maseth was safely inside his Army base in Baghdad when he reached for the shower faucet. Electricity instantly shot through the pipes, through the water itself, and through his entire body, electrocuting him. His mother, stunned, pressed the Army for details, but got only hemming and hawing at first, then she got a lie: she was told that her son had a "small appliance" with him in the shower. She knew better and kept pushing, finally learning that the facility's water pump had not been properly grounded.

Worse, Army documents reveal that Halliburton, under contract to inspect such systems, had found serious electrical problems in this facility nearly a year before Sgt. Maseth’s last shower. Why wasn't it fixed? Because Halliburton's contract did not cover "fixing potential hazards," instead requiring only that it fix equipment already malfunctioning. Meanwhile, the Army itself should have known about this death trap, but under the Pentagon's convoluted privatized system, the danger that
Halliburton found was not red-flagged and was never reviewed by a "qualified government employee."

At least a dozen of our soldiers have been killed by improper grounding of electrical equipment, but Halliburton coldly claims that it is not part of the Army and has no contractual obligation to prevent the electrocution of American Troops.

"Green Beret electrocuted in shower on Iraq base," www.cnn.com, May 28, 2008



And don't think for one minute that "President" McCain would change a thing...


 

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Comment by BobR on 06/10/2008 12:29:04
Those first two stories could almost be forseeen. The military purposely dehumanizes the enemy to make it easier for soldiers to kill them. I read a letter to the editor in yesterday's paper from a Viet Nam vet that said the PTSD never really goes away, that even 40 years later a fireworks display will bring it all back.



The last item though... grrrrrr... Every time I hear about the waste and death cause by one of these military contractors, I want to car bomb their headquarters...



But Halliburton is no longer an American company, so that's going to make it a little harder.



Comment by BobR on 06/10/2008 12:37:22
"Now that Barack Obama is the Democratic nominee, Americans are going to have to choose between the 46-year-old Obama and the 71-year-old John McCain. In other words, it's a choice between the Hillary defeater or the Wal-Mart greeter."

- Conan O'Brien

Comment by Scoopster on 06/10/2008 12:39:01
Morning all... hoooooooooo BOY it's gonna be another hot one today!

Comment by BobR on 06/10/2008 12:42:25
The "Hotlanta" debate rages on...



(note: there is one particularly offensive comment there...)

Comment by Random on 06/10/2008 12:45:52
Ha...I love Conan O'Brien.

Comment by clintster on 06/10/2008 12:47:05
Hoo boy... Gennifer Flowers and Paula Jones in the buddy comedy NOBODY was clamoring for:



http://edition.cnn.com/2008/TECH/06/10/jones.flowers.ap/



Talk about bad timing! Methinks this was supposed to be some sort of "big surprise" for the Hillary campaign if she got the nom. And $1.99? Hell, I could get episodes of "House" on iTunes for that. And enjoy it more. You gotta be some serious Clinton-hatin' bastard to waste your money on that!



And what kind of "great insight" could these two have on them anymore? Ooh, Gennifer Flowers thinks Hillary should divorce Bill, 'cause he caused her to lose the nomination. Next, Paula reveals her four-step plan for energy independence, and later, both women share their Fourth of July barbecue tips with special guest Florence Henderson!



Sorry, I felt the need to go Lewis Black for a second. Carry on.

Comment by Random on 06/10/2008 12:48:09
We need a terrorist Fist Jab Emoticon

Comment by TriSec on 06/10/2008 12:59:41
Quote by BobR:

The "Hotlanta" debate rages on...



(note: there is one particularly offensive comment there...)






*snort*



Do you know how to tell that a person in Boston is a tourist?



They call it "Beantown".



No native would ever do such a thing. We are after all, the "Athens of America", the "Hub of the Universe", and the "Cradle of Liberty"...



Natives do prefer "The Hub".





Comment by Scoopster on 06/10/2008 13:02:58
I always thought natives called it Baaaahston.. :lol:

Comment by TriSec on 06/10/2008 13:05:31
:spools up Nova M:



Well, I'm actually listening to Momma this morning....as I mentioned before, I seem to have time to listen again, thanks to my recent 'demotion'.





Comment by Raine on 06/10/2008 13:08:31
Good morning!

Comment by TriSec on 06/10/2008 13:14:54
You know what the problem with the morning is?



It happens in the morning.





I am a creature of darkness...



Comment by Scoopster on 06/10/2008 13:15:54
Urgh.. my internets is teh lagzor today. Wi-Fi is HORRIBLE in high heat/humidity..



Aaaand morning Raine

Comment by livingonli on 06/10/2008 13:35:03
Good morning everyone.



Last night I went to see another stellar Lizz Winstead show in the City. Did anyone read my comments last night at the end of yesterday's blog?

Comment by velveeta jones on 06/10/2008 13:40:24
Good Morning all!



Jim Hightower!! LOVE HIM!!



Raine, saw your posts about your sister last night, and said a prayer. I really hope she's okay, but I know she'll have great care.

I've had my GB removed, under emergency conditions and it was more painful than my brain surgery, so it must be even more painful and scary for someone whose pregnant!!



Stay strong! I'll be thinking 'bout you and her all day!





Comment by wickedpam on 06/10/2008 13:44:27
Morning :hug:







Raine - missed the Sisterly update did they finish the tests?

Comment by Raine on 06/10/2008 13:48:41
Quote by wickedpam:

Morning :hug:







Raine - missed the Sisterly update did they finish the tests?


The surgeon supposedly came last night, altho it is looking like they may be able to put surgery off till after teh baby is born. It seems as tho her Gall bladder has polyps. I am waiting for a further update this morning. Probably will call her in a little while.

Comment by livingonli on 06/10/2008 13:52:42
Good morning Mala. Another scorcher of a day but we're supposed to get thunderstorms tonight.



The SMS live blog now that the trolls are gone has entered a Doctor Who ditch (and I am contributing to it).

Comment by wickedpam on 06/10/2008 13:52:45
Quote by Raine:

Quote by wickedpam:

Morning :hug:







Raine - missed the Sisterly update did they finish the tests?


The surgeon supposedly came last night, altho it is looking like they may be able to put surgery off till after teh baby is born. It seems as tho her Gall bladder has polyps. I am waiting for a further update this morning. Probably will call her in a little while.






Sounds like it's serious but serious serious. Still keeping the ~~~~~~~healy vibes and positive thoughts going though~~~~~~~



Comment by wickedpam on 06/10/2008 13:53:53
Quote by livingonli:

Good morning Mala. Another scorcher of a day but we're supposed to get thunderstorms tonight.



The SMS live blog now that the trolls are gone has entered a Doctor Who ditch (and I am contributing to it).






Good ditch - I only know 2 Dr's so I dont' think I could add to the conversation.



Comment by livingonli on 06/10/2008 13:58:43
Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by livingonli:

Good morning Mala. Another scorcher of a day but we're supposed to get thunderstorms tonight.



The SMS live blog now that the trolls are gone has entered a Doctor Who ditch (and I am contributing to it).






Good ditch - I only know 2 Dr's so I dont' think I could add to the conversation.



Well, they have been talking about the new series although many of the posters did watch the original series when it was available. Right now for most people the only way to see them is the DVD releases.

Comment by Raine on 06/10/2008 13:58:54
They are releasing sister! IT seems as tho they are going to monitor her very very carefully and try to use a change in diet as a course of treatment.



Soy will indeed become my sisters friend.

Comment by Raine on 06/10/2008 14:02:07
http://westsidebeagles.googlepages.com/DeeDeesPuppies2at7wks.jpg/DeeDeesPuppies2at7wks-full.jpg


Comment by m-hadley on 06/10/2008 14:03:56
Mornin' Everybody,

Hope you are all having a good day. Raine, I have been thinking of you and your sister and sending you both good thoughts - I hope her condition is improving. Take care and keep us posted on what's happening. Hey TriSec - I love Jim Hightower, too, another good ole Texan and good friend of the late great Molly Ivins. I miss her :hug:

Cheers,

mfaye

Comment by Raine on 06/10/2008 14:04:57
Senator Clinton released her delegates last night.



This should have gotten more press than it has. This is really a big deal.

Comment by velveeta jones on 06/10/2008 14:05:02
Oh Raine, I'm happy for you and her.



Soy. Not bad. Lots of Seitan, Tempah and even Tofu maybe?



Hmmm, I wonder if this might explain why I don't need Pepcid as much since I took meat out of my diet and eating a LOT of soy......... ????



Maybe without the GB I can digest these easier?



Where's our nurse?





Comment by livingonli on 06/10/2008 14:06:26
Quote by Raine:

They are releasing sister! IT seems as tho they are going to monitor her very very carefully and try to use a change in diet as a course of treatment.



Soy will indeed become my sisters friend.


I guess that's good if they think she's well enough to go home. Then again, thanks to our insurance policies they are rushing people out of the hospital. She's got our love.



BTW, cute puppies, but where's Kizzie?

Comment by Raine on 06/10/2008 14:06:33
MCCain just got booed giving a speach on TV...

Comment by Raine on 06/10/2008 14:12:03
Upstate NY is under a Tornado Watch as is Mass and surrounding areas

Comment by livingonli on 06/10/2008 14:12:07
The metric system is the tool of the devil.

Comment by wickedpam on 06/10/2008 14:12:19
vetoing beer - way to win hearts asshat.

Comment by Raine on 06/10/2008 14:13:22
Kizzie is on the couch... as always.

Comment by livingonli on 06/10/2008 14:18:26
Quote by Raine:

Kizzie is on the couch... as always.


Is she keeping you company?

Comment by m-hadley on 06/10/2008 14:19:00
Quote by Raine:

Senator Clinton released her delegates last night.



This should have gotten more press than it has. This is really a big deal.




Raine,

No kidding - thank god for this blog, or I would be completely in the dark news-wise :P

Cheers,

mfaye



Comment by wickedpam on 06/10/2008 14:19:15
ABBA - weirdly enough Liddy likes ABBA too.

Comment by BobR on 06/10/2008 14:25:52
Quote by wickedpam:

vetoing beer - way to win hearts asshat.


:wacko:



Did I miss this on the way in?

Comment by livingonli on 06/10/2008 14:30:28
Quote by wickedpam:

ABBA - weirdly enough Liddy likes ABBA too.


Does he find it music to shoot people by?

Comment by wickedpam on 06/10/2008 14:36:27
Quote by livingonli:

Quote by wickedpam:

ABBA - weirdly enough Liddy likes ABBA too.


Does he find it music to shoot people by?




I guess - I just remember that from his old show on JFK that he would talk about politics, guns, his Stacked and Packed calender and ABBA. It was odd - he would even bring in an ABBA tribute group that he really liked.



Comment by BobR on 06/10/2008 14:38:45
Quote by livingonli:

Good morning everyone.



Last night I went to see another stellar Lizz Winstead show in the City. Did anyone read my comments last night at the end of yesterday's blog?


::Joe Biden:: YES

Comment by BobR on 06/10/2008 14:40:17
Quote by velveeta jones:

Good Morning all!



Jim Hightower!! LOVE HIM!!



Raine, saw your posts about your sister last night, and said a prayer. I really hope she's okay, but I know she'll have great care.

I've had my GB removed, under emergency conditions and it was more painful than my brain surgery, so it must be even more painful and scary for someone whose pregnant!!



Stay strong! I'll be thinking 'bout you and her all day!





What sort of dietary changes did you need to make after getting your gall bladder out?

Comment by Random on 06/10/2008 14:50:06
Damn Right.

Random can get on Four Freedoms now.



I feel at home again.

Comment by Raine on 06/10/2008 14:53:04
:rofl: Failed change of the 60's and 70's... Oh John... you are so retro.

Comment by wickedpam on 06/10/2008 14:55:56
Just like the industrial revolution changed the world, I think we are on the cusp of the Green Revolution.

Comment by Raine on 06/10/2008 14:55:57
Quote by Random:

Damn Right.

Random can get on Four Freedoms now.



I feel at home again.
:hug:



Comment by Raine on 06/10/2008 14:56:47
Is caller a terry Jeffries-wanna be?

Comment by Raine on 06/10/2008 14:58:11
HEya Tom? who deregulated the mortgage industry??? :waiting:

Comment by starling310 on 06/10/2008 15:00:26
Tom is a moron....half the people with crap mortgages and "gas guzzling" suv's had them when things were still good. then george bush came along. . .

Comment by Random on 06/10/2008 15:02:42
Caller Tom...Is an idiot.





Comment by starling310 on 06/10/2008 15:03:38
Raine, how is your sis?



Comment by m-hadley on 06/10/2008 15:07:34
Quote by starling310:

Tom is a moron....half the people with crap mortgages and "gas guzzling" suv's had them when things were still good. then george bush came along. . .




Mornin' Starling,

Tom thinks it's not the Prez's fault that he let his buddy Phil Gramm tear down the wall between commercial banks and investment banks and got this whole mess started - heeem, now whose fault is that? I'm just askin'.

Cheers,

mfaye



Comment by Random on 06/10/2008 15:09:28
Correct me if i'm wrong, but Diesel has better fuel economy than the fuel we use today.

Comment by livingonli on 06/10/2008 15:09:37
Quote by starling310:

Tom is a moron....half the people with crap mortgages and "gas guzzling" suv's had them when things were still good. then george bush came along. . .


I saw one SUV the other day with the "Support the Troops" sticker and ribbon and still had a W '04 sticker on the car. Talk about living in denial.

Comment by wickedpam on 06/10/2008 15:09:48
Hilltards?:scratchhead:

Comment by wickedpam on 06/10/2008 15:10:27
never mind, I'm slow this morning - no coffee.....

Comment by starling310 on 06/10/2008 15:11:01
Quote by Random:

Correct me if i'm wrong, but Diesel has better fuel economy than the fuel we use today.




It's also WAY more expensive now, which didn't used to be the case. Hence, a gallon of milk costing $4.00. BushCo. jacked up the cost on truck drivers and we are paying for it. everyone loses.



Comment by Raine on 06/10/2008 15:11:52
Quote by starling310:

Raine, how is your sis?

She was released this morning. they are monitoring her closely, but it seems as tho she had a gallbladder attack.



She and the baby seem to be alright. she is still in a lot of pain, but with diet management they are going to try to control in until the baby is born.



I feel more relieved today than yesterday. She goes to a wonderful Women's wellness center for her baby care. When I found out that is where she has been going for pre natal care, I was very relieved. They have a great center their.



Comment by starling310 on 06/10/2008 15:14:08
Quote by Raine:

Quote by starling310:

Raine, how is your sis?

She was released this morning. they are monitoring her closely, but it seems as tho she had a gallbladder attack.



She and the baby seem to be alright. she is still in a lot of pain, but with diet management they are going to try to control in until the baby is born.



I feel more relieved today than yesterday. She goes to a wonderful Women's wellness center for her baby care. When I found out that is where she has been going for pre natal care, I was very relieved. They have a great center their.





Oh...glad to hear she and baby are safe!!!!



Comment by BobR on 06/10/2008 15:16:10
Quote by starling310:

Raine, how is your sis?



Read down the blog ;)

Comment by Raine on 06/10/2008 15:18:57
Georgia has a drive in church? Do they serve fried eggs on the blessings?

Comment by starling310 on 06/10/2008 15:19:14
Quote by BobR:

Quote by starling310:

Raine, how is your sis?



Read down the blog ;)






:yawn:









Comment by livingonli on 06/10/2008 15:21:14
Quote by Raine:

Georgia has a drive in church? Do they serve fried eggs on the blessings?


How about Fried Milky Way bars?

Comment by Random on 06/10/2008 15:21:42
Quote by starling310:

Quote by Random:

Correct me if i'm wrong, but Diesel has better fuel economy than the fuel we use today.




It's also WAY more expensive now, which didn't used to be the case. Hence, a gallon of milk costing $4.00. BushCo. jacked up the cost on truck drivers and we are paying for it. everyone loses.



The guy said that Diesel cars are gass guzzling O.o



That and has anyone seen the Hillary Clinton Supporters for John McCain site yet?

Comment by Raine on 06/10/2008 15:22:19
Marietta GEorgia, the drive in Church...



Coem as you are? I hope they aren't like the folks in LA that like to drive naked.



IT makes sense, we already have drive thru liquor stores...

Comment by Raine on 06/10/2008 15:26:54
JEff from Atlanta sounds like he lives near me... I hear fire sirens as well right now... trippy...

Comment by BobR on 06/10/2008 15:28:58
Quote by Raine:

Georgia has a drive in church? Do they serve fried eggs on the blessings?


The collection plate is scattered, smothered, and covered...

Comment by Raine on 06/10/2008 15:29:56
Breaking: The Senate is voting on whether to tax oil companies for excess profits.



Somehow, I think this is going to not get thru.... More reasons to get a better majority on the senate!!!



Altho, it will be VERY interesting to get the names of all the senators who say NO to this. Good issue for the election... You hear me Saxby??? :modbat:





Comment by BobR on 06/10/2008 15:30:04
Quote by livingonli:



How about Fried Milky Way bars?


Hey - you can't blame that one on GA... The Scots started that one with their deep-fried Mars bars..

Comment by BobR on 06/10/2008 15:31:07
Quote by Raine:

Marietta GEorgia, the drive in Church...



Coem as you are? I hope they aren't like the folks in LA that like to drive naked.



IT makes sense, we already have drive thru liquor stores...


"Would you like a blessing with that?..."

"Would you like to super-size your tithing?"

Comment by Raine on 06/10/2008 15:31:31
Quote by BobR:

Quote by Raine:

Georgia has a drive in church? Do they serve fried eggs on the blessings?


The collection plate is scattered, smothered, and covered...
Braise Cheesus!



Comment by starling310 on 06/10/2008 15:31:54
Quote by Random:

Quote by starling310:

Quote by Random:

Correct me if i'm wrong, but Diesel has better fuel economy than the fuel we use today.




It's also WAY more expensive now, which didn't used to be the case. Hence, a gallon of milk costing $4.00. BushCo. jacked up the cost on truck drivers and we are paying for it. everyone loses.



The guy said that Diesel cars are gass guzzling O.o



That and has anyone seen the Hillary Clinton Supporters for John McCain site yet?






The guy was an idiot.



Comment by livingonli on 06/10/2008 15:31:59
I think the Stephanie Miller show blog crashed.

Comment by livingonli on 06/10/2008 15:33:09
Quote by Raine:

Quote by BobR:

Quote by Raine:

Georgia has a drive in church? Do they serve fried eggs on the blessings?


The collection plate is scattered, smothered, and covered...
Braise Cheesus!



Hold the pickles and onions and I'll have extra cheese.

Comment by BobR on 06/10/2008 15:33:58
Comment by Raine on 06/10/2008 15:35:08
Quote by Random:

That and has anyone seen the Hillary Clinton Supporters for John McCain site yet?




How long before Rush takes credit for this as part of operation Chaos?



They are using Hillary as a way to try to swiftboat Obama. Pretty clever, in an evil demonic way.



Comment by wickedpam on 06/10/2008 15:37:11
Waterloo's my 2nd fave. Dancing Queen always #1 in my heart :dance:

Comment by Shane-O on 06/10/2008 15:37:45


Comment by Random on 06/10/2008 15:39:10
Quote by Raine:

Quote by Random:

That and has anyone seen the Hillary Clinton Supporters for John McCain site yet?




How long before Rush takes credit for this as part of operation Chaos?



They are using Hillary as a way to try to swiftboat Obama. Pretty clever, in an evil demonic way.





I love the site. It's like a bad porn site.



What...I'm young...bored...I have highspeed internet...





Comment by livingonli on 06/10/2008 15:41:25
Quote by Raine:

Quote by Random:

That and has anyone seen the Hillary Clinton Supporters for John McCain site yet?




How long before Rush takes credit for this as part of operation Chaos?



They are using Hillary as a way to try to swiftboat Obama. Pretty clever, in an evil demonic way.



Sounds like the new home for Adela and Donnie.

Comment by Raine on 06/10/2008 15:41:29
I thought we had to all along.



Comment by livingonli on 06/10/2008 15:43:22
Quote by Raine:

I thought we had to all along.



I've always had my driver's license handy. I haven't flown outside the US so I haven't needed a passport. Then again, I need to get a new passport for if I ever go back to Canada.

Comment by Raine on 06/10/2008 15:46:06
Random, that site is just filled with hate. it is disgusting and these people show NO dignity to honoring HRC.



I read one of those jokes and I nearly threw up.



They were NEVER dems. NEVER. Disgusting. Repulsive. they make bad porn sites look attractive.

Comment by Raine on 06/10/2008 15:47:42
Quote by Shane-O:

:hug: good morining me dear fellow Ny'r!!



KEep an eye for the weather today, will ya? I hear you are under a tornado watch!



Comment by Random on 06/10/2008 15:49:33
Quote by Raine:

Random, that site is just filled with hate. it is disgusting and these people show NO dignity to honoring HRC.



I read one of those jokes and I nearly threw up.



They were NEVER dems. NEVER. Disgusting. Repulsive. they make bad porn sites look attractive.




To be fair they have a joke by O'Brien that's pretty funny -

"Over the weekend, Senator Barack Obama visited New Hampshire and thousands of people showed up to hear him speak. The New Hampshire crowds were excited, because apparently, this is the first time they've ever seen an African-American." --Conan O'Brien



The Jay Leno is kinda funny.

Comment by Random on 06/10/2008 15:51:55
I've got breaking news...



The Hillary Supporters who are bitter and idiots site is...CANADIAN!

HA!





Comment by livingonli on 06/10/2008 15:52:49
Alan Greenspan was an Ayn Rand devotee. Look at how well that worked out.

Comment by Shane-O on 06/10/2008 15:52:51
Quote by Raine:

Quote by Shane-O:

:hug: good morining me dear fellow Ny'r!!



KEep an eye for the weather today, will ya? I hear you are under a tornado watch!



I will - one cell just passed to the south an hour ago.



Also, as an "Upstater" - while I didn't post a comment on this yesterday - PROXIMATE healing vibes were (and are) going to your sister and the soon-to-be little one.

Comment by TriSec on 06/10/2008 15:53:44
A TriSec moment...



24 years ago at this very moment, I was sitting on a sweltering Stackpole Field in Saugus, MA, on what was the hottest day of 1984 in Boston (you could look it up) for my High School graduation...



And, in the famed "Heat Game", Boston beat LA at the old garden, 121-103, to take a 3-2 series lead.



Comment by livingonli on 06/10/2008 15:57:37
Those numbers on Hillary are proof that having her on the ticket in any capacity would be a bad move.

Comment by Raine on 06/10/2008 15:57:54
Quote by Shane-O:

Quote by Raine:

Quote by Shane-O:

:hug: good morining me dear fellow Ny'r!!



KEep an eye for the weather today, will ya? I hear you are under a tornado watch!



I will - one cell just passed to the south an hour ago.



Also, as an "Upstater" - while I didn't post a comment on this yesterday - PROXIMATE healing vibes were (and are) going to your sister and the soon-to-be little one.
Thank You ! (fancy legaleze ISee there! )



Comment by Random on 06/10/2008 16:00:26
*Terrorist Fist Jab*

Comment by IzzyBitz on 06/10/2008 16:03:25




This shows how little the TSA knows about their policies. I have always been asked for ID at the counter and the gate. I always use my passport because I want them to know my every move. Can you see me now? Evidently not. Agent Duffus spilled coffee on the page that tells him to keep on eye on suspicious characters.



Glad to hear your sister's gall bladder problem doesn't require surgery at this point, Raine. I hope she and the baby continue to do well.



And you know the beagle puppies made my morning! Too cute. Hows about some pussy?!

Comment by Random on 06/10/2008 16:08:03
Oh...I am loving this website...ignorance is funny.

Comment by Raine on 06/10/2008 16:09:24
Quote by Random:

I've got breaking news...



The Hillary Supporters who are bitter and idiots site is...CANADIAN!

HA!



I was poking around trying to find out who owned it. Good catch Random!!!



F*cking Ed Hale is now on top of my tooly McTool list.



Comment by Raine on 06/10/2008 16:10:34
Quote by Random:

Oh...I am loving this website...ignorance is funny.


Ignorance is how we got George *ush.

Comment by IzzyBitz on 06/10/2008 16:12:37
Quote by TriSec:

A TriSec moment...



24 years ago at this very moment, I was sitting on a sweltering Stackpole Field in Saugus, MA, on what was the hottest day of 1984 in Boston (you could look it up) for my High School graduation...



And, in the famed "Heat Game", Boston beat LA at the old garden, 121-103, to take a 3-2 series lead.





GO CELTICS!



I was watching some of the NBA finals from the 80s last week on ESPN Classic. AWESOME. I was a Lakers fan then, but now, FU. >P

Comment by Raine on 06/10/2008 16:13:27
Quote by IzzyBitz:

And you know the beagle puppies made my morning! Too cute. Hows about some pussy?!


How is this?





http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2f/Harry_Nilsson_Pussy_Cats.jpg








Comment by Random on 06/10/2008 16:15:31
Quote by Raine:

Quote by Random:

I've got breaking news...



The Hillary Supporters who are bitter and idiots site is...CANADIAN!

HA!



I was poking around trying to find out who owned it. Good catch Random!!!



F*cking Ed Hale is now on top of my tooly McTool list.



To be Fair, it was a kind poster on Wonkette Comment board that pointed out that fun lil factoid. The website is registered in Canada, though i do believe Ed Hale is a resident of Midland (I'm assuming Texas...but who knows, maybe he thought King of the Hill was real or something).



That beside the point, i read this really ignorant and racist comment...that frankly...It's just too stupid to be real.

Comment by Raine on 06/10/2008 16:16:18
MAybe this:



http://www.hbo.com/sopranos/img/cast/character/big_pussy_bonpensiero.jpg




Ok... Enough kidding...





http://www.laughparty.com/funny-pictures/Dancing-Kittens-807.jpg


Comment by m-hadley on 06/10/2008 16:17:49
Yeah Thom!

He mentioned the plant that can save the world - Industrial Hemp !

Love the hemp plant...

Cheers,

mfaye

Comment by Random on 06/10/2008 16:19:45
Quote by Raine:

http://www.laughparty.com/funny-pictures/Dancing-Kittens-807.jpg


Cutest...

Thing...

Ever...







Comment by livingonli on 06/10/2008 16:20:31
These right-wing tools are so annoying and ignorant. I know if it was Mike Malloy instead of Thom, they would be smacked into next week.

Comment by IzzyBitz on 06/10/2008 16:35:51
Thank you, Raine! Big pussy, little pussy. You spoil me.

Comment by velveeta jones on 06/10/2008 16:37:31
Quote by BobR:

Quote by velveeta jones:

Good Morning all!



Jim Hightower!! LOVE HIM!!



Raine, saw your posts about your sister last night, and said a prayer. I really hope she's okay, but I know she'll have great care.

I've had my GB removed, under emergency conditions and it was more painful than my brain surgery, so it must be even more painful and scary for someone whose pregnant!!





Stay strong! I'll be thinking 'bout you and her all day!





What sort of dietary changes did you need to make after getting your gall bladder out?


Sorry I missed this...... I've been paying bills. :wacko:



I didn't change much, but I had to rely on Pecid AC before every meal for awhile. And Pizza! NOT on the diet for about 2 years. Now, I can safely eat it again. Mostly I feel it after too much dairy and coffee. My two favorite foods!!





Comment by Random on 06/10/2008 16:49:58
Okay...I haven't really looked at Wonkette before...and it's pretty funny.

Comment by shelaghc on 06/10/2008 16:53:50
Quick drive by:



Computer may or may not be shot. I'm working a temp gig where I have no internet connection, am using someone else's computer to check my email briefly (library is closed before I get home!) and the supervisor isn't happy that I'm even on someone else's computer during my lunchbreak.



I don't even have a frickin' phone at my workstation. I'm there to be a drone and nothing else. She's interrupted my lunchbreak twice now to tell me what I'm going to be doing when I'm back from lunch.



Kill me now please?



On the good side, one of the IT guys does computer repair on the side and told me to bring in my laptop and he said he could tell if it's even worth it to try to fix the thing. He claims I can get a brand new laptop for around $400 - I'd like to know from where....



Getting offline now.



Comment by Scoopster on 06/10/2008 17:24:41
Shel! Check this link out for budget laptops:



http://www.pricewatch.com/notebooks_with_os/



You can also try some of the online computer retailers - TigerDirect, Newegg, even Dell will have some deals on inexpensive machines. And make sure you check in the overstock/closeout/open box sections.



Edit: There's always eBay and Craigslist too.. I've seen some insane people selling stuff on CL for WAY under value because they want the money fast.



Comment by m-hadley on 06/10/2008 17:37:16
I'm getting skeered by Thom today - I hope that we don't bomb Iran :nervous:

Cheers,

mfaye

Comment by velveeta jones on 06/10/2008 17:45:46
Quote by shelaghc:

Quick drive by:



Computer may or may not be shot. I'm working a temp gig where I have no internet connection, am using someone else's computer to check my email briefly (library is closed before I get home!) and the supervisor isn't happy that I'm even on someone else's computer during my lunchbreak.



I don't even have a frickin' phone at my workstation. I'm there to be a drone and nothing else. She's interrupted my lunchbreak twice now to tell me what I'm going to be doing when I'm back from lunch.



Kill me now please?



On the good side, one of the IT guys does computer repair on the side and told me to bring in my laptop and he said he could tell if it's even worth it to try to fix the thing. He claims I can get a brand new laptop for around $400 - I'd like to know from where....



Getting offline now.



Hey, if you get this, go to Best Buy or any other big box store that sells PC's. I got one cheap by going in and asking for a display model or a small defect. Plus, since I was only going to use it for Online access, I didn't need one with any pre-installed software, or other bells and whistles, I got one for under 400 that has really great WiFi strength. Thats about all its good for though!



Comment by BobR on 06/10/2008 17:51:38
Quote by shelaghc:

Quick drive by:



Computer may or may not be shot. I'm working a temp gig where I have no internet connection, am using someone else's computer to check my email briefly (library is closed before I get home!) and the supervisor isn't happy that I'm even on someone else's computer during my lunchbreak.



I don't even have a frickin' phone at my workstation. I'm there to be a drone and nothing else. She's interrupted my lunchbreak twice now to tell me what I'm going to be doing when I'm back from lunch.



Kill me now please?



On the good side, one of the IT guys does computer repair on the side and told me to bring in my laptop and he said he could tell if it's even worth it to try to fix the thing. He claims I can get a brand new laptop for around $400 - I'd like to know from where....



Getting offline now.



A $400 laptop is not going to be very good, probably an entry level or a refurb. You can actually get a pretty good one for 600-700.



Comment by Random on 06/10/2008 17:53:43
Hm...Oh,. Fuck.

Random forgot he's at work...

*goes back to work*

Comment by BobR on 06/10/2008 17:54:29
Quote by m-hadley:

I'm getting skeered by Thom today - I hope that we don't bomb Iran :nervous:

Cheers,

mfaye


I've missed most of Thom today. I've read though that Bush is planning on waiting until after the election so that it doesn't hurt McCain's chances.



So we've got a few months to address it...

Comment by Raine on 06/10/2008 18:04:21
:ireland: Man that sounds like carp.



I think we can find you a laptop around that price. I have seen a lot a very good deals.



Hopefully they can get yours up and running.

Comment by Raine on 06/10/2008 18:15:33
The *Hammer*'s wife is voting for Bob Barr...

Mr. DeLay said he will vote for Mr. McCain for president, but said it's unclear whether the presumptive nominee can win, and he said his wife, Christine, says she is planning to vote for Libertarian presidential nominee Bob Barr.

================================================



McCain has some serious problems. This is a wink wink nod nod to giving permission to hard core wingers to vote Barr.

Comment by TriSec on 06/10/2008 18:35:10
Bushconomy question....



Have you got your freakin' refund check yet? I think he's punishing all us Massachusetts liberals, we found out from our tax guy that ours may be issued on June 27. After the "president" promised them early, no less.



F*ckers.





Comment by starling310 on 06/10/2008 18:39:33
Heatwave Haiku for my night nurse lady friend:



Bag of sleepy bones

In this heat, to sleep is tough

Get up and go. Cool.


Comment by BobR on 06/10/2008 18:42:12
Quote by TriSec:

Bushconomy question....



Have you got your freakin' refund check yet? I think he's punishing all us Massachusetts liberals, we found out from our tax guy that ours may be issued on June 27. After the "president" promised them early, no less.



F*ckers.





My SSN ends in "99", so I won't get mine until sometime in July.



I gotcher "stimulus" right here! :wank:

Comment by BobR on 06/10/2008 18:43:32
Quote by Raine:

:ireland: Man that sounds like carp.





or flounder... :P

Comment by starling310 on 06/10/2008 18:49:43
I got my stiumlus check at the end of May.



Not sure how that happened.

Comment by TriSec on 06/10/2008 19:12:37
We're counting on that rebate to pay for a vacation this summer...it better damn well show up before we leave. (end of August.)





Comment by wickedpam on 06/10/2008 19:25:46
Tri did you get my PM?

Comment by Scoopster on 06/10/2008 19:32:04
What else do you expect from Republicans?



And btw...



FUCK JOE LIEBERMAN!


Comment by TriSec on 06/10/2008 19:40:28
Quote by wickedpam:

Tri did you get my PM?




Oh yes, I did, thankyouverymuch.



Actually, I think we found a Best Western at the foot of the beltway (Franconia) for $90/night with a pool...and it's a mile from both the end of the Blue Line and VRE direct to Union Station, so that should work out well.



Now if the "president" would pay for it, we'll be all set! :peace:







Comment by MMB on 06/10/2008 20:02:00
Raine, I am glad your sister is out of the hospital. I will keep her and the little one in my prayers.

Comment by Random on 06/10/2008 20:08:38
Proof Random has no life:

I have already started constructing a November pool.

Comment by m-hadley on 06/10/2008 20:14:43
Quote by starling310:

I got my stiumlus check at the end of May.



Not sure how that happened.




My stimulus check flitted through my bank account like an autumn leaf by my window - how poetic - NOT :airhump:

Cheers,

mfaye



Comment by Mondobubba on 06/10/2008 20:15:54
Afternoon all. Here are some words of wisdom to that storehouse things that you have learned in life. You know things always wear clean underpants or don't cross the streams. It is



DON'T PUKE KUNG PAO CHICKEN. IT BURNS, IT BURNS!




:PUKE:


Comment by clintster on 06/10/2008 20:17:09
Meanwhile, it turns out there's gonna be an American version of "Little Britain".



http://www.tvsquad.com/2008/06/10/david-schwimmer-to-helm-little-britain/





Comment by BobR on 06/10/2008 20:28:07


This HAS to be used against them this campaign. Most people don't mind paying a fair price for a product, but everyone knows the prices have gone way beyond gouging at this point.

Comment by m-hadley on 06/10/2008 20:33:17
Quote by Random:

Proof Random has no life:

I have already started constructing a November pool.




Random,

You are much too young to be leading the life of an elderly shut-in - what gives?

Cheers,

Your Auntie Faye :P



Comment by Random on 06/10/2008 20:38:29
Quote by m-hadley:

Quote by Random:

Proof Random has no life:

I have already started constructing a November pool.




Random,

You are much too young to be leading the life of an elderly shut-in - what gives?

Cheers,

Your Auntie Faye :P



Oh, cause Random is one of those recluse writer types.

I find more enjoyment from my stories (Not just the ones i've written, but in books, comics, video games, movies, TV).



But i will take suggestions on what kind of spreads or things to "bet" on for this November.

Comment by livingonli on 06/10/2008 20:52:30
Oh, it's too hot out there. <---- sweat.



I got my letter yesterday saying I'm supposed to get my check back by the 13th. We'll see what happens. I do have bills to pay but I am thinking of my summer travel. Although I think I would be happy just with someplace that has a pool.

Comment by livingonli on 06/10/2008 20:59:16
Puffy McMoonface will be on tomorrow's Democracy Now!

Comment by Mondobubba on 06/10/2008 21:00:45
Quote by m-hadley:

Quote by Random:

Proof Random has no life:

I have already started constructing a November pool.




Random,

You are much too young to be leading the life of an elderly shut-in - what gives?

Cheers,

Your Auntie Faye :P







Faye, Random is just emulating his personal radio hero. After all she too is an elderly shut in.

Comment by Raine on 06/10/2008 21:01:21
Quote by BobR:



This HAS to be used against them this campaign. Most people don't mind paying a fair price for a product, but everyone knows the prices have gone way beyond gouging at this point.
The vote was what... 51 to 43?



I need to go get a list of who voted to block this.



Comment by Mondobubba on 06/10/2008 21:07:35
Quote by Raine:

Quote by BobR:



This HAS to be used against them this campaign. Most people don't mind paying a fair price for a product, but everyone knows the prices have gone way beyond gouging at this point.
The vote was what... 51 to 43?



I need to go get a list of who voted to block this.





as much as I love the idea it was just some political theatre to use against the GOP. They had to be really stupid to vote against in an election year with gas at four bucks a gallon.

Comment by m-hadley on 06/10/2008 21:08:27
Quote by Mondobubba:

Afternoon all. Here are some words of wisdom to that storehouse things that you have learned in life. You know things always wear clean underpants or don't cross the streams. It is



DON'T PUKE KUNG PAO CHICKEN. IT BURNS, IT BURNS!




:PUKE:




Mondo,

Why you upchuck the Kung Pao Chickoon? You no likeee? Or it no likee you?

Just wondering and showing concern :heart:

Cheers,

mfaye

Comment by Raine on 06/10/2008 21:10:07
the yeas were 50

Nays 44

Not voting 6





Roll call here. But because I love, I will post the list here:



Akaka (D-HI), Yea

Alexander (R-TN), Nay

Allard (R-CO), Nay

Barrasso (R-WY), Nay

Baucus (D-MT), Yea

Bayh (D-IN), Yea

Bennett (R-UT), Nay

Biden (D-DE), Yea

Bingaman (D-NM), Yea

Bond (R-MO), Nay

Boxer (D-CA), Yea

Brown (D-OH), Yea

Brownback (R-KS), Nay

Bunning (R-KY), Nay

Burr (R-NC), Nay

Byrd (D-WV), Not Voting

Cantwell (D-WA), Yea

Cardin (D-MD), Yea

Carper (D-DE), Yea

Casey (D-PA), Yea

Chambliss (R-GA), Nay

Clinton (D-NY), Not Voting

Coburn (R-OK), Nay

Cochran (R-MS), Nay

Coleman (R-MN), Nay

Collins (R-ME), Nay

Conrad (D-ND), Yea

Corker (R-TN), Yea

Cornyn (R-TX), Nay

Craig (R-ID), Nay

Crapo (R-ID), Nay

DeMint (R-SC), Nay

Dodd (D-CT), Yea

Dole (R-NC), Nay

Domenici (R-NM), Nay

Dorgan (D-ND), Yea

Durbin (D-IL), Yea

Ensign (R-NV), Nay

Enzi (R-WY), Nay

Feingold (D-WI), Yea

Feinstein (D-CA), Yea

Graham (R-SC), Not Voting

Grassley (R-IA), Nay

Gregg (R-NH), Nay

Hagel (R-NE), Nay

Harkin (D-IA), Yea

Hatch (R-UT), Nay

Hutchison (R-TX), Nay

Inhofe (R-OK), Nay

Inouye (D-HI), Yea

Isakson (R-GA), Nay

Johnson (D-SD), Yea

Kennedy (D-MA), Not Voting

Kerry (D-MA), Yea

Klobuchar (D-MN), Yea

Kohl (D-WI), Yea

Kyl (R-AZ), Nay

Landrieu (D-LA), Yea

Lautenberg (D-NJ), Yea

Leahy (D-VT), Yea

Levin (D-MI), Yea

Lieberman (ID-CT), Yea

Lincoln (D-AR), Yea

Lugar (R-IN), Nay

Martinez (R-FL), Nay

McCain (R-AZ), Not Voting

McCaskill (D-MO), Yea

McConnell (R-KY), Nay

Menendez (D-NJ), Yea

Mikulski (D-MD), Yea

Murkowski (R-AK), Nay

Murray (D-WA), Yea

Nelson (D-FL), Yea

Nelson (D-NE), Yea

Obama (D-IL), Not Voting

Pryor (D-AR), Yea

Reed (D-RI), Yea

Reid (D-NV), Yea

Roberts (R-KS), Nay

Rockefeller (D-WV), Yea

Salazar (D-CO), Yea

Sanders (I-VT), Yea

Schumer (D-NY), Yea

Sessions (R-AL), Nay

Shelby (R-AL), Nay

Smith (R-OR), Yea

Snowe (R-ME), Yea

Specter (R-PA), Nay

Stabenow (D-MI), Yea

Stevens (R-AK), Nay

Sununu (R-NH), Nay

Tester (D-MT), Yea

Thune (R-SD), Nay

Vitter (R-LA), Nay

Voinovich (R-OH), Nay

Warner (R-VA), Nay

Webb (D-VA), Yea

Whitehouse (D-RI), Yea

Wicker (R-MS), Nay

Wyden (D-OR), Yea



Comment by livingonli on 06/10/2008 21:14:44
I noticed that neither presidential candidate and one now ex-candidate didn't vote on this. Kennedy didn't vote either but I presume he is still out because of his health.

Comment by Raine on 06/10/2008 21:16:23
May I say that there are 2 republicans who get credit.... Smith (R-OR), Yea and Snowe (R-ME), Yea.

Everyone else voted so down the line it was stunning. And I am shocked about LIEberman... Shocked I tell you.

Comment by m-hadley on 06/10/2008 21:18:03
Here's the list of schmoes who voted against allowing this piece of legislation to even go to the floor for debate:

Alexander (R-TN)

Allard (R-CO)

Barrasso (R-WY)

Bennett (R-UT)

Bond (R-MO)

Brownback (R-KS)

Bunning (R-KY)

Burr (R-NC)

Chambliss (R-GA)

Coburn (R-OK)

Cochran (R-MS)

Coleman (R-MN)

Collins (R-ME)

Cornyn (R-TX)

Craig (R-ID)

Crapo (R-ID)

DeMint (R-SC)

Dole (R-NC)

Domenici (R-NM)

Ensign (R-NV)

Enzi (R-WY)

Grassley (R-IA)

Gregg (R-NH)

Hagel (R-NE)

Hatch (R-UT)

Hutchison (R-TX)

Inhofe (R-OK)

Isakson (R-GA)

Kyl (R-AZ)

Lugar (R-IN)

Martinez (R-FL)

McConnell (R-KY)

Murkowski (R-AK)

Roberts (R-KS)

Sessions (R-AL)

Shelby (R-AL)

Specter (R-PA)

Stevens (R-AK)

Sununu (R-NH)

Thune (R-SD)

Vitter (R-LA)

Voinovich (R-OH)

Warner (R-VA)

Wicker (R-MS)



Unfortunately, here are those who didn't bother to show up to vote at all :(

Not Voting - 6

Byrd (D-WV)

Clinton (D-NY)

Graham (R-SC)

Kennedy (D-MA)

McCain (R-AZ)

Obama (D-IL)



The only one who is excused in my book is Senator Kennedy...

Cheers,

mfaye





Comment by Raine on 06/10/2008 21:18:04
Quote by livingonli:

I noticed that neither presidential candidate and one now ex-candidate didn't vote on this. Kennedy didn't vote either but I presume he is still out because of his health.
They needed 60 to get it to pass.



I can understand McCain and Obama not being there. As well as Kennedy, but Graham and Clinton, that is a mystery to me.



Comment by Mondobubba on 06/10/2008 21:18:33
Quote by m-hadley:

Quote by Mondobubba:

Afternoon all. Here are some words of wisdom to that storehouse things that you have learned in life. You know things always wear clean underpants or don't cross the streams. It is



DON'T PUKE KUNG PAO CHICKEN. IT BURNS, IT BURNS!




:PUKE:




Mondo,

Why you upchuck the Kung Pao Chickoon? You no likeee? Or it no likee you?

Just wondering and showing concern :heart:

Cheers,

mfaye




Stress, tension, depression, work stuff, shaken, not stirred. Lots. Not fun. Not fun at all.

Comment by Raine on 06/10/2008 21:19:21
Isn't senator Byrd still pretty sick?

Comment by livingonli on 06/10/2008 21:20:50
Quote by Raine:

Isn't senator Byrd still pretty sick?


He was also recently in the hospital. Don't know if he's out yet.

Comment by Raine on 06/10/2008 21:21:15
of those people, how many are up for re-election this november?



Saxby is one. I don't think Georgia is gonna be happy with that.

Comment by Mondobubba on 06/10/2008 21:22:43
Quote by Raine:

Quote by livingonli:

I noticed that neither presidential candidate and one now ex-candidate didn't vote on this. Kennedy didn't vote either but I presume he is still out because of his health.
They needed 60 to get it to pass.



I can understand McCain and Obama not being there. As well as Kennedy, but Graham and Clinton, that is a mystery to me.





I'm thinking it might have something to do with the under lying politics of the whole thing. Kennedy and Byrd are obvious, but Obama and HRC not there, tis a poser.

Comment by m-hadley on 06/10/2008 21:24:12
Quote by Raine:

the yeas were 50

Nays 44

Not voting 6





Raine,

You are a speedy grrrl - you beat me to it. No surprise, both A holes from Okie-ville voted against it. But Inhofe is in for the race of his life - Go Andrew Rice!

Cheers,

mfaye







Comment by Mondobubba on 06/10/2008 21:27:07
The useless lump of space that is the junior senator from Florida, Mel Martinez is not up for re-election. He is in the same class senate seniority-wise as Obama, they were both elected in 2004.



No surprise there that he voted nay. He is a good spear carrier for the GOP.

Comment by m-hadley on 06/10/2008 21:27:35
Quote by Raine:

of those people, how many are up for re-election this november?



Saxby is one. I don't think Georgia is gonna be happy with that.




Roughly a third of 'em are up for re-election - not sure on the exact number 'cause I don't know how many Repubs are up for re-election, but every two years 1/3 of the senate is up for a re-vote - scuse me if I am stating the obvious :P

Cheers,

mfaye



Comment by Random on 06/10/2008 21:31:51
Neither Clinton or Obama or McCain voted.

Comment by m-hadley on 06/10/2008 21:32:51
Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by m-hadley:

Quote by Mondobubba:

Afternoon all. Here are some words of wisdom to that storehouse things that you have learned in life. You know things always wear clean underpants or don't cross the streams. It is



DON'T PUKE KUNG PAO CHICKEN. IT BURNS, IT BURNS!




:PUKE:




Mondo,

Why you upchuck the Kung Pao Chickoon? You no likeee? Or it no likee you?

Just wondering and showing concern :heart:

Cheers,

mfaye




Stress, tension, depression, work stuff, shaken, not stirred. Lots. Not fun. Not fun at all.




So sorry to hear about that situation - let me know if there is anything I can do to help you out - seriously. :hug:

Cheers,

mfaye



Comment by BobR on 06/10/2008 21:46:56
Comment by livingonli on 06/10/2008 21:53:25
I'm watching yesterday's Democracy Now! on Bridges TV. They are running Moyers keynote speech at the conference for Media Reform. Bill is supposed to be on with KO tonight probably to talk about the incident with the Bill-O stalker producer.



91 degrees and humid.

Comment by livingonli on 06/10/2008 22:00:56
T-Storm watch in our area until 1 AM.

Comment by Raine on 06/10/2008 22:16:11
Quote by m-hadley:

Quote by Raine:

the yeas were 50

Nays 44

Not voting 6





Raine,

You are a speedy grrrl - you beat me to it. No surprise, both A holes from Okie-ville voted against it. But Inhofe is in for the race of his life - Go Andrew Rice!

Cheers,

mfaye





Same with Georgia, Faye, and I do believe Chambliss is peeing a little in his pants these days.



HE actually voted FOR the farm bill, so I suspect he is dead to the GOP... he voted against this one, and once the word get out, Georgians won't be very happy.







Comment by Shane-O on 06/10/2008 22:17:40
Quote by Raine:

the yeas were 50

Nays 44

Not voting 6



The41% Solution strikes again.

Comment by Raine on 06/10/2008 22:20:52
AFL-CIO to protest John McCain and Bush policies...



The AFL-CIO launched today a weeklong 25-city rally at gas stations across the nation to protest record-high fuel prices, which reached a national average of $4 a gallon over the weekend, and to link President Bush and John McCain to Big Oil. The first event was today in Indianapolis. Federation activists will hit other swing states -- and target McCain during his scheduled visits to NH and NJ.



From the AFL-CIO's release: "Participants will call on Sen. John McCain and President Bush to denounce their support of Big Oil, which has reaped record profits at the expense of working people who are struggling to afford skyrocketing prices at the pump. Union members, holding signs that say “Bush & McCain Love Big Oil,” will also decry McCain’s corporate tax cut proposal that would give the five largest oil companies $3.8 billion in tax breaks."



The union plans to stage rallies in CT, CO, AZ, IN, KY, ME, MI, MN, MO, NM, NC, OH, PA and WI.



Comment by Random on 06/10/2008 22:26:06
Go Ron Paul



Comment by Raine on 06/10/2008 22:28:06
Quote by Shane-O:

Quote by Raine:

the yeas were 50

Nays 44

Not voting 6



The41% Solution strikes again.
You sir, speak truth:
During the 2008 election season, be wary of Republican mantras that Democrats have failed to pass any laws that help the American public. With the 41% Solution – essentially pure political stonewalling, Democratic accomplishments are uniformly and consistently thwarted. Try as one might, a dance in the end zone isn’t timely without points on the board – true legislative, enacted progress. Scoring’s tough to do with a hand in your face, not enough players on the field and a corrupt commissioner.




I read this today, of the very same issue of how they obstruct in other ways. A conversation between HArry Reid and Republican Thad Cochran:

REID: Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent the Senate Committee on the Judiciary be authorized to meet during session of the senate.



COCHRAN: Mr. President, on behalf of the republican leader, I object.



REID: Mr. President --



The Presiding Officer: Without objection? Objection is heard.



REID: I understand the objection of my good friend from Mississippi. He wasn't objecting on his own but for someone else. The hearing, Mr. President, that we were going for conduct was a hearing entitled "coercive interrogation techniques: do they work, are they reliable and what did the FBI. Know about them?"



Mr. President, this morning senator Feinstein, as chair of the subcommittee, began chairing a very important hearing on interrogation tactics in the Judiciary Committee. The hearing featured a report by the Department of Justice inspector general on tactics at Guantanamo that amounted to torture. The hearing was interrupted by three floor votes and the chair recessed the hearing until p.m. as you know, we have our weekly caucuses starting at 12:30. But now the minority is objecting to the committee meeting by invoking the two-hour rule. Two hours after we come into session there has to be consent to conduct hearings.



In other words, you have to do them in the first two hours we are in session. It's very rare there is an objection but there is today. I have no alternative but to recess the senate to allow the hearing to continue. The Republicans may not want these abuses to come to light but I think the American people have a right to know. It's part of a partner of obstructionism by my friends on the republican side.



I want the senate to debate a bill to reduce gas prices and now they don't want the judiciary committee to hold a hearing about coercive interrogation tactics. They can try to use senate rules to silence these debates. I'll use the rules at this time to allow the judiciary committee to continue the hearing. As soon as the hearing is over, we're going to be out here Mr. President to talk about gas prices.



And I would hope -- this is framed, Mr. President with the picture of there is a presidential election going on. We have one presidential candidate that wants to do something about these high gas prices, wants to do something about the bill to extend tax credits for renewable energy and we have another candidate who is opposed to this and we know who that candidate is and it is senator from the state of Arizona. And I would think that my friend, the senator from Arizona, who is a Republican nominee, would be concerned about this delaying tactic, not to allow the judiciary committee to hold a hearing on torture. That's what it amounts to. So, Mr. President, I ask that -- unanimous consent that the senate be in recess subject to the call of the chair.


Boldface mine.

Comment by Raine on 06/10/2008 22:33:36


There it is, in video, he will veto every singe beer, and he has a sharpie to prove it!

Comment by Shane-O on 06/10/2008 22:48:22
Quote by Raine:

Quote by Shane-O:

Quote by Raine:

the yeas were 50

Nays 44

Not voting 6



The41% Solution strikes again.
You sir, speak truth:
During the 2008 election season, be wary of Republican mantras that Democrats have failed to pass any laws that help the American public. With the 41% Solution – essentially pure political stonewalling, Democratic accomplishments are uniformly and consistently thwarted. Try as one might, a dance in the end zone isn’t timely without points on the board – true legislative, enacted progress. Scoring’s tough to do with a hand in your face, not enough players on the field and a corrupt commissioner.




I read this today, of the very same issue of how they obstruct in other ways. A conversation between HArry Reid and Republican Thad Cochran:

REID: Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent the Senate Committee on the Judiciary be authorized to meet during session of the senate.



COCHRAN: Mr. President, on behalf of the republican leader, I object.



REID: Mr. President --



The Presiding Officer: Without objection? Objection is heard.



REID: I understand the objection of my good friend from Mississippi. He wasn't objecting on his own but for someone else. The hearing, Mr. President, that we were going for conduct was a hearing entitled "coercive interrogation techniques: do they work, are they reliable and what did the FBI. Know about them?"



Mr. President, this morning senator Feinstein, as chair of the subcommittee, began chairing a very important hearing on interrogation tactics in the Judiciary Committee. The hearing featured a report by the Department of Justice inspector general on tactics at Guantanamo that amounted to torture. The hearing was interrupted by three floor votes and the chair recessed the hearing until p.m. as you know, we have our weekly caucuses starting at 12:30. But now the minority is objecting to the committee meeting by invoking the two-hour rule. Two hours after we come into session there has to be consent to conduct hearings.



In other words, you have to do them in the first two hours we are in session. It's very rare there is an objection but there is today. I have no alternative but to recess the senate to allow the hearing to continue. The Republicans may not want these abuses to come to light but I think the American people have a right to know. It's part of a partner of obstructionism by my friends on the republican side.



I want the senate to debate a bill to reduce gas prices and now they don't want the judiciary committee to hold a hearing about coercive interrogation tactics. They can try to use senate rules to silence these debates. I'll use the rules at this time to allow the judiciary committee to continue the hearing. As soon as the hearing is over, we're going to be out here Mr. President to talk about gas prices.



And I would hope -- this is framed, Mr. President with the picture of there is a presidential election going on. We have one presidential candidate that wants to do something about these high gas prices, wants to do something about the bill to extend tax credits for renewable energy and we have another candidate who is opposed to this and we know who that candidate is and it is senator from the state of Arizona. And I would think that my friend, the senator from Arizona, who is a Republican nominee, would be concerned about this delaying tactic, not to allow the judiciary committee to hold a hearing on torture. That's what it amounts to. So, Mr. President, I ask that -- unanimous consent that the senate be in recess subject to the call of the chair.


Boldface mine.


"Boldface mine." I love it! WE have more ethics than the friggin' Winger sites and Faux News.



And the largest point, that the Righties chant - "The Democrat [sic] controlled Congress's approval rating is lower than the [*]resident's" -- there are many, many reasons - one example of which you put forward, Ms. Raine (with emphasis added, of course )



The frustrating part is to try to explain this to others who may not have the time or interest in getting into the "weeds" on these issues. A 30 second ad cannot explain this problem.



(and I wrote that post almost a year ago - sometimes I HATE being correct)

Comment by Mondobubba on 06/10/2008 22:52:43
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/10/2008 22:55:24
Sorry Lewis schools the tool at about 17.5 minutes in

Comment by Raine on 06/10/2008 23:05:58
Quote by Mondobubba:

Sorry Lewis schools the tool at about 17.5 minutes in
Wow, that was a little intense. ... *he's a virus* :rofl:



Comment by Random on 06/10/2008 23:13:40
Quote by Raine:

Quote by Mondobubba:

Sorry Lewis schools the tool at about 17.5 minutes in
Wow, that was a little intense. ... *he's a virus* :rofl:



it's sad about him talking about his brother.

Comment by Raine on 06/10/2008 23:15:33
Terrorist Fist Jab Host loses show.



Methinks the replacement is FAR worse.

Comment by livingonli on 06/10/2008 23:25:14
Quote by Raine:

Terrorist Fist Jab Host loses show.



Methinks the replacement is FAR worse.


Fox News: Circle Jerks are the specialty.

Comment by Mondobubba on 06/10/2008 23:29:47
Quote by Raine:

Terrorist Fist Jab Host loses show.



Methinks the replacement is FAR worse.




Laura Ingraham??!! :thud:

Comment by Shane-O on 06/10/2008 23:35:38
Quote by Raine:

Terrorist Fist Jab Host loses show.



Methinks the replacement is FAR worse.
I was thinking yesterday of making this thing into a bit... Now I must!

Comment by Random on 06/10/2008 23:46:09
Quote by Raine:

Terrorist Fist Jab Host loses show.



Methinks the replacement is FAR worse.


I'm just soooo sad.

Comment by Random on 06/10/2008 23:55:24
Requests are now open for fields of play for the Pool for November.

Comment by Mondobubba on 06/11/2008 00:02:52
B..b...best persons Bill O? : searches for Four Horsemen:

Comment by livingonli on 06/11/2008 00:05:04
At least KO is reporting about the impeachment counts.

Comment by livingonli on 06/11/2008 00:20:56
From the Shoot the Messenger e-mail list;



Very quick note to let you guys know that Lizz will be appearing on C-Span tomorrow (Wed, June 11) at 5:15 EST! Rumor has it that she will be sharing clips from the show, including our latest "Poll Dancing with Emily Rackcheck." Fire up those Tivos!


Comment by Shane-O on 06/11/2008 00:27:48
Quote by Mondobubba:

B..b...best persons Bill O? : searches for Four Horsemen:




Comment by Random on 06/11/2008 00:33:22
Ha...Snark.

Comment by Random on 06/11/2008 00:35:15
Bill'O

Best Person...Truly deserving.

Comment by Mondobubba on 06/11/2008 00:43:16
Now there is an oxymoron. Risk free currency trading. See Forex ad all over cable.

Comment by Random on 06/11/2008 00:45:50
Ha...That's good, Skeezik.

Comment by Mondobubba on 06/11/2008 00:47:11
Nice history reference KO "meddlesome priest" well played, sir! Well played indeed! :clap:

Comment by Mondobubba on 06/11/2008 00:49:45
Quote by Random:

Ha...That's good, Skeezik.






Psst Random, Skeezix is spelled with and x. He is one of the characters from the comic strip "Gasoline Alley"

Comment by Mondobubba on 06/11/2008 00:51:10
Comment by livingonli on 06/11/2008 01:01:12
Quote by Mondobubba:

Gasoline Alley


The NY Daily News still carries that strip. And I did discover the Boston Herald still runs Brenda Starr. But which papers still run Mary Worth?

Comment by Mondobubba on 06/11/2008 01:01:21
My "Gasoline Alley" trivia knowledge stunned the blog? Wow that was too easy.

Comment by Random on 06/11/2008 01:24:24
Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by Random:

Ha...That's good, Skeezik.






Psst Random, Skeezix is spelled with and x. He is one of the characters from the comic strip "Gasoline Alley"


*narrows eyes a la Clint eastwood in Fistful of Dollars*

I will smote you.





Comment by livingonli on 06/11/2008 01:49:46
Did the blog get smote?

Comment by Mondobubba on 06/11/2008 01:50:26
Quote by Random:

Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by Random:

Ha...That's good, Skeezik.






Psst Random, Skeezix is spelled with and x. He is one of the characters from the comic strip "Gasoline Alley"


*narrows eyes a la Clint eastwood in Fistful of Dollars*

I will smote you.









: scratches face ala Toshiro Mifune in Yojimbo: Smite, you mean smite, wise ass :D

Comment by livingonli on 06/11/2008 01:56:15
The rain has arrived.

Comment by TriSec on 06/11/2008 02:11:01
Evening, folks...back from music school. We've been playing 'longhair' stuff the past few weeks, doing some classical duets...



In any case, I have a wee dram of Scotch and am watching me some hoops...





Comment by Mondobubba on 06/11/2008 02:12:35
Quote by livingonli:

Did the blog get smote?






I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be smitten.

Comment by Mondobubba on 06/11/2008 02:16:37
Quote by TriSec:

Evening, folks...back from music school. We've been playing 'longhair' stuff the past few weeks, doing some classical duets...



In any case, I have a wee dram of Scotch and am watching me some hoops...









And the Celtics are....?

Comment by MMB on 06/11/2008 02:17:19


Comment by Mondobubba on 06/11/2008 02:21:13
OMG! There is an NBA crack device!

Comment by Mondobubba on 06/11/2008 02:22:44
...are losing at the half. :shrug:

Comment by livingonli on 06/11/2008 02:30:59
I'm catching up on my DVR recordings although the game is on in HD.

Comment by Mondobubba on 06/11/2008 02:32:43
Obama has the over the hill pro wrestler vote all sewn up. Hulk Hogan is for Obama.

Comment by TriSec on 06/11/2008 02:33:50
*snort*



I don't like the NBA device nearly as much as the various baseball crack devices...



Celtics are within 6?



I heard an interesting stat on the radio while driving home...in games where they trail by less than 7 points at any time, the Celtics are 63-4. If the lead goes beyond 8 points, they're 16-20. (including all playoff games.)













Comment by Mondobubba on 06/11/2008 02:37:49
Quote by TriSec:

*snort*



I don't like the NBA device nearly as much as the various baseball crack devices...



Celtics are within 6?



I heard an interesting stat on the radio while driving home...in games where they trail by less than 7 points at any time, the Celtics are 63-4. If the lead goes beyond 8 points, they're 16-20. (including all playoff games.)















I was surprised that there is a NBA crack device. I bet there is an NHL crack device. I wonder if there is Premier League crack device.

Comment by Mondobubba on 06/11/2008 02:43:00
Tim Russert on Homicide. Playing himself, the cousin of one of the cops. :rofl:

Comment by Mondobubba on 06/11/2008 02:48:00
:rofl: On Facebook: Rupert Murdoch's Friends: Rupert has not friends.



Poor Rupert. Friendless at the top, isn't it?

Comment by livingonli on 06/11/2008 02:53:57
Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by TriSec:

*snort*



I don't like the NBA device nearly as much as the various baseball crack devices...



Celtics are within 6?



I heard an interesting stat on the radio while driving home...in games where they trail by less than 7 points at any time, the Celtics are 63-4. If the lead goes beyond 8 points, they're 16-20. (including all playoff games.)















I was surprised that there is a NBA crack device. I bet there is an NHL crack device. I wonder if there is Premier League crack device.




There is an NHL crack device.



Comment by livingonli on 06/11/2008 03:16:37
Chuck Norris wrote a plan to Congress on how to deal with Gas prices. I don't think they will go down with a drop kick.

Comment by livingonli on 06/11/2008 03:51:50
If anyone's around, the message board is going a little slow and I'm having a lot of connecting errors.

Comment by BobR on 06/11/2008 04:13:51
Quote by livingonli:



The NY Daily News still carries that strip. And I did discover the Boston Herald still runs Brenda Starr. But which papers still run Mary Worth?


The AJC still runs Mary Worth....



And a certain blog Admin reads it... :whistling:

Comment by Raine on 06/11/2008 04:17:04




Joe LIEberman can is a backstabber. here is proof.



They BEGGED for Obama's help in '06, and now he is just a sad pathetic excuse of a human being.

Comment by BobR on 06/11/2008 04:18:16
Quote by livingonli:

If anyone's around, the message board is going a little slow and I'm having a lot of connecting errors.


Looks like it's another problem with IPBFree.com

Comment by Raine on 06/11/2008 04:18:49
Raine is going to sleep. A wonderful night was had, and now it is time to say goodnite.

:yawn:

Comment by livingonli on 06/11/2008 04:27:08
Good night Raine and I guess Bob R as well. Talk to you both in the AM.

Comment by livingonli on 06/11/2008 04:34:52
I was going to do late night video theater tonight but You Tube is also on the fritz tonight. The internets are a little broken tonight.

Comment by Random on 06/11/2008 11:46:40
Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by Random:

Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by Random:

Ha...That's good, Skeezik.






Psst Random, Skeezix is spelled with and x. He is one of the characters from the comic strip "Gasoline Alley"


*narrows eyes a la Clint eastwood in Fistful of Dollars*

I will smote you.









: scratches face ala Toshiro Mifune in Yojimbo: Smite, you mean smite, wise ass :D


Ha...I loved Yojimbo