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Ask a Vet
Author: TriSec
Date: 12/02/2008 11:41:22
Good Morning.
Today is our 2,085th day in Iraq.
We'll start this morning as we always do, with the latest casualty figures from the Warron Terra, courtesy of Antiwar.com:
American Deaths
Since war began (3/19/03): 4207
Since "Mission Accomplished" (5/1/03): 4068
Since Capture of Saddam (12/13/03): 3747
Since Handover (6/29/04): 3348
Since Election (1/31/05): 2770
Other Coalition Troops - Iraq: 314
US Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 627
Other Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 389
Contractor Deaths - Iraq: 445
We find this morning's Cost of War passing through:
$576, 093, 250, 000.00
Last week, we looked over some of the potential candidates for Secretary of Veteran Affairs in an Obama Cabinet. Whoever that may be, they're going to be facing enormous challenges in rebuilding a decimated agency and caring for the returning troops. IAVA posted an editorial at New York Newsday recently about the need for change at the VA.
Staying with IAVA...have you ever wondered where the troops stand on the war? The Bush Administration has worked hard to make sure the soldier's voices aren't heard...but the magazine Scientific American has managed to run a study and they discovered something stunning. In this war, soldiers who have taken another human life tend to support the war more. In all my readings of America's past conflicts...the opposite has been true.
Lastly this morning....seeing that we've hit December now, word about another charity. This one is not entirely for the troops, but for your local community. The media in Boston is reporting that donations to the USMC's Toys for Tots program are running 50% behind their historic averages. While I have no information for other parts of the country, given the state of the economy, I'd imagine your local Marines are experiencing a similar falloff in donations.
If you're out shopping...won't you consider picking up an extra toy and dropping it off at your local recruiting station on the way home? People are hurting this year, and the demand is higher than ever.
Today is our 2,085th day in Iraq.
We'll start this morning as we always do, with the latest casualty figures from the Warron Terra, courtesy of Antiwar.com:
American Deaths
Since war began (3/19/03): 4207
Since "Mission Accomplished" (5/1/03): 4068
Since Capture of Saddam (12/13/03): 3747
Since Handover (6/29/04): 3348
Since Election (1/31/05): 2770
Other Coalition Troops - Iraq: 314
US Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 627
Other Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 389
Contractor Deaths - Iraq: 445
We find this morning's Cost of War passing through:
Last week, we looked over some of the potential candidates for Secretary of Veteran Affairs in an Obama Cabinet. Whoever that may be, they're going to be facing enormous challenges in rebuilding a decimated agency and caring for the returning troops. IAVA posted an editorial at New York Newsday recently about the need for change at the VA.
The system that cares for our veterans - especially the newly physically and psychologically wounded in Iraq and Afghanistan - needs bold, aggressive new leadership. As he builds a national security team, President-elect Barack Obama should work to transform this broken bureaucracy.
In the past few weeks, examples of that brokenness have surfaced. Locally, the Department of Veterans Affairs reassigned the director of its New York regional office and five other managers, because workers had falsified dates on claims. The goal of the backdating was to make it look as if the office had begun to process applications within the required time. An investigation also turned up a lot of unanswered mail, plus some claim documents in shredder bins.
Nationally, the department’s inspector general found that other veterans’ records had been readied for shredding. The department told regional offices to stop shredding until it could install better procedures. But why does it depend so much on paper, instead of moving more rapidly toward an efficient system for electronic processing of claims?
The regional flap sounds like an overworked staff trying - the wrong way - to deal with a huge backlog. We can’t have veterans waiting 180-plus days for claims to get fully processed, while they’re suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder or physical ailments - or both - and facing the same economic forces that are oppressing all of us.
The department needs inspiring, transformational leadership. But leadership alone won’t suffice. The department also needs more staffing and better technology to reduce the backlogs. Vets shouldn’t have to wait any longer for real change that addresses their needs promptly.
Staying with IAVA...have you ever wondered where the troops stand on the war? The Bush Administration has worked hard to make sure the soldier's voices aren't heard...but the magazine Scientific American has managed to run a study and they discovered something stunning. In this war, soldiers who have taken another human life tend to support the war more. In all my readings of America's past conflicts...the opposite has been true.
How do soldiers come to terms with having taken a life in combat? Research has suggested that when people consider themselves to be “good” but are forced to do something “bad” to others, they adopt negative opinions about their victims to rationalize their actions. But according to a new study, this tendency may not apply to soldiers or at least not to those who have served in the Iraq War. American soldiers who have killed in Iraq do not think more poorly of Iraqis than Iraq War soldiers who have not killed—they do, however, think worse of Americans who speak out against the war.
Wayne Klug, a psychologist at Berkshire Community College, asked 68 Iraq War veterans about their experiences, their thoughts on the war and their opinions about Iraqis and Americans. Compared with soldiers who never saw combat and those who witnessed a death but were not involved, veterans who “were directly involved in an Iraqi fatality” were much more likely to consider the war to be beneficial to both countries. The finding is consistent with prior evidence that people tend to value outcomes that require great effort or distress. But although previous research predicts that these soldiers might disparage their victims, investigators were surprised to find that these veterans instead resented Americans whose opinions about the war suggest that their killings may have been unjustified.
This change could be a result of the unique circumstances surrounding the Iraq War. “A clue lies in the political and public nature of a controversial war fought by a volunteer army,” says Klug, who presented his findings in August at the annual conference of the American Psychological Association in Boston. For example, in the Vietnam War soldiers were drafted, and people who avoided serving were viewed with suspicion, he explains. But today the situation is reversed.
“The veterans are aware of their status as the ‘stepchildren’ of polite American society, a sense that’s enhanced by their abysmal treatment upon returning,” he posits. Because America’s decision to go to war was the sole reason these soldiers killed, they “now depend on that policy to justify their actions,” Klug believes. Those who disagree with the policy, then, become automatic enemies.
Lastly this morning....seeing that we've hit December now, word about another charity. This one is not entirely for the troops, but for your local community. The media in Boston is reporting that donations to the USMC's Toys for Tots program are running 50% behind their historic averages. While I have no information for other parts of the country, given the state of the economy, I'd imagine your local Marines are experiencing a similar falloff in donations.
If you're out shopping...won't you consider picking up an extra toy and dropping it off at your local recruiting station on the way home? People are hurting this year, and the demand is higher than ever.
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Comment by 
Shane-O on 12/02/2008 13:37:27
Shane-O on 12/02/2008 13:37:27
Morning! 
It's been a while since I put in a new SFX -- Steph's wheeze and snort -- too funny... here
It's been a while since I put in a new SFX -- Steph's wheeze and snort -- too funny... here
Comment by 
wickedpam on 12/02/2008 13:40:03
wickedpam on 12/02/2008 13:40:03
Morning :hug:
Shane-O that's too funny :lol:
Shane-O that's too funny :lol:
Comment by Shane-O on 12/02/2008 13:44:32
Shane-O on 12/02/2008 13:44:32
Heya Mala :D
Comment by 
Raine on 12/02/2008 13:45:56
Raine on 12/02/2008 13:45:56
Good morning! Shane, that is really funny...
We are off to vote this morning! Go Martin!
We are off to vote this morning! Go Martin!
Comment by Shane-O on 12/02/2008 13:51:42
Absolutely - GO MARTIN! -- I'll not be so rude as to post what I really think of Saxby.
:crossing fingers: (might take more...however)
Thanks for doin' your part Raine and Bob!!! SIXTY - SIXTY - SIXTY!!!
Shane-O on 12/02/2008 13:51:42
Quote by Raine:
Good morning! Shane, that is really funny...
We are off to vote this morning! Go Martin!
Absolutely - GO MARTIN! -- I'll not be so rude as to post what I really think of Saxby.
:crossing fingers: (might take more...however)
Thanks for doin' your part Raine and Bob!!! SIXTY - SIXTY - SIXTY!!!
Comment by 
TriSec on 12/02/2008 13:58:41
TriSec on 12/02/2008 13:58:41
:cheery: Good Morning, oh bloggy ones!
Mmm, mmm, mmm....worm pancakes, worm sausage, Vermont Maple Syrup (hey, I have some standards), steeped worm tea with lemon!
Oh, and a flaming bag of dog poo on the side...
Life has given me shit this week, but I'll make something out of it, dammit!
: shakes little fist :
:pirate:
Mmm, mmm, mmm....worm pancakes, worm sausage, Vermont Maple Syrup (hey, I have some standards), steeped worm tea with lemon!
Oh, and a flaming bag of dog poo on the side...
Life has given me shit this week, but I'll make something out of it, dammit!
: shakes little fist :
:pirate:
Comment by TriSec on 12/02/2008 14:23:47
TriSec on 12/02/2008 14:23:47
Hmm, OK so a worm breakfast wasn't the best idea.
Donuts on the back table. They're from Kane's.
Donuts on the back table. They're from Kane's.
Comment by 
velveeta jones on 12/02/2008 14:27:24
velveeta jones on 12/02/2008 14:27:24
Great post TriSec.
There's a job I would not want........ Sec. of Veteran Affairs! Yikes. What a cluster-f*ck they will have to clean up.
And speaking of the IAVA - has anyone seen the ad they put out? Very interesting.
Keeping GA in my hopes and prayers today!! Good LUCK!! (And you won't need luck if you can get them young'uns out).
There's a job I would not want........ Sec. of Veteran Affairs! Yikes. What a cluster-f*ck they will have to clean up.
And speaking of the IAVA - has anyone seen the ad they put out? Very interesting.
Keeping GA in my hopes and prayers today!! Good LUCK!! (And you won't need luck if you can get them young'uns out).
Comment by velveeta jones on 12/02/2008 14:30:23
velveeta jones on 12/02/2008 14:30:23
Glad you're day is better, Tri, or at least your outlook.
Yesterday I came damn near telling my job to FO! Little tiff with a co-worker that grates Velveeta's last nerve................
Yesterday I came damn near telling my job to FO! Little tiff with a co-worker that grates Velveeta's last nerve................
Comment by 
Scoopster on 12/02/2008 14:30:54
Scoopster on 12/02/2008 14:30:54
Morning guys! :coffee:
Hey Tri you may be on to something there.. Perhaps you can get into a progressive art groove and turn that pile 'o poo into a painting.
Hey Tri you may be on to something there.. Perhaps you can get into a progressive art groove and turn that pile 'o poo into a painting.
Comment by Scoopster on 12/02/2008 14:33:31
GO MARTIN!
Scoopster on 12/02/2008 14:33:31
GO MARTIN!
Comment by Raine on 12/02/2008 14:41:28
Raine on 12/02/2008 14:41:28
Back from Voting and I see we have a loverly wingnut caller on the phone.
Comment by wickedpam on 12/02/2008 14:42:20
wickedpam on 12/02/2008 14:42:20
wow - anti-semetic much 
Comment by TriSec on 12/02/2008 14:43:10
TriSec on 12/02/2008 14:43:10
Ah, I love the sound of antisemitism in the morning.
Not.
Not.
Comment by velveeta jones on 12/02/2008 14:55:16
velveeta jones on 12/02/2008 14:55:16
Yeah........... and also the Jews don't celebrate Christmas! What's up with that? hmm?
:rolleyes:
:rolleyes:
Comment by Raine on 12/02/2008 14:55:45
Raine on 12/02/2008 14:55:45
Comment by velveeta jones on 12/02/2008 14:57:10
velveeta jones on 12/02/2008 14:57:10
May I just give a pre-emptive: YOU ROCK Shane-O!
Love the new drop!! :lol:
Love the new drop!! :lol:
Comment by Scoopster on 12/02/2008 14:58:55
Scoopster on 12/02/2008 14:58:55
Comment by Raine on 12/02/2008 15:06:48
That is too funny.
I REALLY want a book deal now!
Raine on 12/02/2008 15:06:48
Quote by Scoopster:
:rofl: Hey, if Joe the Plumber can write a book about politics..... :rofl:
I REALLY want a book deal now!
Comment by TriSec on 12/02/2008 15:07:07
TriSec on 12/02/2008 15:07:07
*snort*
Well, I just got phished from Wells Fargo...a bank that does not operate within 1,000 miles of my house.
Pity, I composed a sorry sounding email about how desperately I wanted those funds, and to please give me more information about my account....but it was a bogus email so it bounced.
At least I reported it as spam.
(and I don't understand those people that would get that email and say "Damn, our account!" and send off all their personal info...)
Well, I just got phished from Wells Fargo...a bank that does not operate within 1,000 miles of my house.
Pity, I composed a sorry sounding email about how desperately I wanted those funds, and to please give me more information about my account....but it was a bogus email so it bounced.
At least I reported it as spam.
(and I don't understand those people that would get that email and say "Damn, our account!" and send off all their personal info...)
Comment by velveeta jones on 12/02/2008 15:07:37
velveeta jones on 12/02/2008 15:07:37
SEE! I Knew I to give Shane-O a preemtive shout out!!
WOOT!!
WOOT!!
Comment by Raine on 12/02/2008 15:10:15
Raine on 12/02/2008 15:10:15
PUMA still exist? 
Comment by Raine on 12/02/2008 15:21:28
Raine on 12/02/2008 15:21:28
Comment by Raine on 12/02/2008 15:41:43
SHUT UP SARAH PALIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Raine on 12/02/2008 15:41:43
SHUT UP SARAH PALIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by 
BobR on 12/02/2008 15:47:42
Her voice is like audio birth control...
BobR on 12/02/2008 15:47:42
Quote by Raine:
Her voice is like audio birth control...
Comment by Raine on 12/02/2008 15:55:37
word gets around fast on the intertubes.
Raine on 12/02/2008 15:55:37
Quote by Raine:
How can this be??? Franken up by more that 4 thousand votes??
Am I seeing this wrong?
word gets around fast on the intertubes.
Comment by Scoopster on 12/02/2008 16:02:05
There's an ongoing daily recount thing going on DK that has this info.. They explained it that in what's been counted so far in the recount, Franken's up. But in comparison to the original vote totals from 11/4 Coleman's lead has actually increased by about 100 votes.
So now the obvious course of action is to play "Republican Election" - get out the Billionaires for Bush outfits, march up to the BOE in St. Paul, and start a rally to STOP THE COUNT! :lol:
Scoopster on 12/02/2008 16:02:05
Quote by Raine:Quote by Raine:
How can this be??? Franken up by more that 4 thousand votes??
Am I seeing this wrong?
There's an ongoing daily recount thing going on DK that has this info.. They explained it that in what's been counted so far in the recount, Franken's up. But in comparison to the original vote totals from 11/4 Coleman's lead has actually increased by about 100 votes.
So now the obvious course of action is to play "Republican Election" - get out the Billionaires for Bush outfits, march up to the BOE in St. Paul, and start a rally to STOP THE COUNT! :lol:
Comment by Scoopster on 12/02/2008 16:04:07
Scoopster on 12/02/2008 16:04:07
Windows installation marketshare at its lowest point in 15 years..
It's still nearly 90%, but hey we'll take what we can get.
It's still nearly 90%, but hey we'll take what we can get.
Comment by BobR on 12/02/2008 16:08:31
:rolleyes:
it's just a machine people...
BobR on 12/02/2008 16:08:31
Quote by Scoopster:
Windows installation marketshare at its lowest point in 15 years..
It's still nearly 90%, but hey we'll take what we can get.
:rolleyes:
it's just a machine people...
Comment by Raine on 12/02/2008 16:10:21
Raine on 12/02/2008 16:10:21
Shane!!! 
Comment by Scoopster on 12/02/2008 16:11:00
The machine I'm building for Christmas (which is going to my mom) is gonna be running Ubuntu, plus Wine so she can use Word/Excel... until I can break her in on OpenOffice that is!
Scoopster on 12/02/2008 16:11:00
Quote by BobR:Quote by Scoopster:
Windows installation marketshare at its lowest point in 15 years..
It's still nearly 90%, but hey we'll take what we can get.
:rolleyes:
it's just a machine people...
The machine I'm building for Christmas (which is going to my mom) is gonna be running Ubuntu, plus Wine so she can use Word/Excel... until I can break her in on OpenOffice that is!
Comment by BobR on 12/02/2008 16:11:07
BobR on 12/02/2008 16:11:07
Shane-O! :lol:
Comment by 
livingonli on 12/02/2008 16:17:18
livingonli on 12/02/2008 16:17:18
A belated good morning folks. I didn't want to get out of bed this morning so I was listening to Momma while still under the covers.
The little Anti-Semite caller in the first hour was very creepy.
The little Anti-Semite caller in the first hour was very creepy.
Comment by Shane-O on 12/02/2008 16:18:26
Just SMS beaver jokes stuck together -- nothin' of my own there!!!
Shane-O on 12/02/2008 16:18:26
Quote by BobR:
Shane-O! :lol:
Just SMS beaver jokes stuck together -- nothin' of my own there!!!
Comment by livingonli on 12/02/2008 16:18:40
livingonli on 12/02/2008 16:18:40
I think a psychologist could have a field day analyzing the staff at Fox News.
Comment by Raine on 12/02/2008 16:22:36
Raine on 12/02/2008 16:22:36
It was nice while it lasted. The Cheney Indicments have been thrown out...
Something seems VERY fishy tho... esppecially the defendents trying to force the DA ito never brining these charges up again...
Something seems VERY fishy tho... esppecially the defendents trying to force the DA ito never brining these charges up again...
Comment by Scoopster on 12/02/2008 16:27:26
Scoopster on 12/02/2008 16:27:26
Comment by Raine on 12/02/2008 16:36:35
Raine on 12/02/2008 16:36:35
:bang2: PLEASE MAKE THAT ONE SHUT UP!!!!
Comment by Raine on 12/02/2008 16:38:02
ooh. I like that.
Here I was thinking maybe Wexler... but I like this choice.
Raine on 12/02/2008 16:38:02
Quote by Scoopster:
Mel Martinez to announce he will NOT SEEK REELECTION in 2010.
Mondo for U.S. Senate!!
Here I was thinking maybe Wexler... but I like this choice.
Comment by Raine on 12/02/2008 16:40:13
Raine on 12/02/2008 16:40:13
Comment by livingonli on 12/02/2008 16:42:29
livingonli on 12/02/2008 16:42:29
I don't even like using the public bathroom in Penn Station.
Comment by 
Mondobubba on 12/02/2008 16:45:09
Mondo, a troubled man for troubled times!
(paid for by the friends of Mondo for US Senate committee. I'm Mondo and I approve this message.)
Mondobubba on 12/02/2008 16:45:09
Quote by Scoopster:
Mel Martinez to announce he will NOT SEEK REELECTION in 2010.
Mondo for U.S. Senate!!
Mondo, a troubled man for troubled times!
(paid for by the friends of Mondo for US Senate committee. I'm Mondo and I approve this message.)
Comment by Scoopster on 12/02/2008 16:49:03
....or does he?.... from HuffPo:
Scoopster on 12/02/2008 16:49:03
Quote by Scoopster:
David Gregory gets MTP.. meh:sleeping:
....or does he?.... from HuffPo:
NBC responded to Politico regarding this report, saying," I don't know where they are getting this. We have nothing to announce." Gregory's agent, when contacted by the New York Observer said he could neither confirm nor deny the report.
Comment by Shane-O on 12/02/2008 16:50:01
That is SO GREAT! -- The one of me was a can -- at least that was a Molson bottle...
Shane-O on 12/02/2008 16:50:01
Quote by Raine:
That is SO GREAT! -- The one of me was a can -- at least that was a Molson bottle...
Comment by Raine on 12/02/2008 16:52:34
Raine on 12/02/2008 16:52:34
Comment by Raine on 12/02/2008 16:54:44
Raine on 12/02/2008 16:54:44
Comment by livingonli on 12/02/2008 16:56:41
Bummer indeed. I just want a good progressive to get that seat especially since that seat and Schumer's would both be up in 2010 and then has to defend the seat again in 2012.
livingonli on 12/02/2008 16:56:41
Quote by Raine:
RFK Jr. does not want the NYS senate seat.
Bummer.
Bummer indeed. I just want a good progressive to get that seat especially since that seat and Schumer's would both be up in 2010 and then has to defend the seat again in 2012.
Comment by BobR on 12/02/2008 16:57:24
BobR on 12/02/2008 16:57:24
TMI Chris!!
Comment by Scoopster on 12/02/2008 16:58:24
Scoopster on 12/02/2008 16:58:24
:rofl:
Comment by livingonli on 12/02/2008 17:01:39
That Stephane Dion endorsement could backfire though.
livingonli on 12/02/2008 17:01:39
Quote by Scoopster:
:rofl:
That Stephane Dion endorsement could backfire though.
Comment by Raine on 12/02/2008 17:15:58
Raine on 12/02/2008 17:15:58
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/02/2008 17:17:22
Scoop, remember it's Florida. The only thing they know about Canadians here is they are Americans with funny accents. Many of my fellow Floridians are hazy on the whole separate country thing. They drive American cars and speak English so, they have to be Americans. Sure they say holiday when they mean vacation, yes they say spanner and not wrench.
Mondobubba on 12/02/2008 17:17:22
Quote by Scoopster:
:rofl:
Scoop, remember it's Florida. The only thing they know about Canadians here is they are Americans with funny accents. Many of my fellow Floridians are hazy on the whole separate country thing. They drive American cars and speak English so, they have to be Americans. Sure they say holiday when they mean vacation, yes they say spanner and not wrench.
Comment by TriSec on 12/02/2008 17:21:49
TriSec on 12/02/2008 17:21:49
This whole Mondo for Senate thing...you're going to have to deal with South Florida...
Please answer the questions below, placed by the "Extended TriSec Family Wingnut Coalition to elect anyone that hates Castro"
a ) Castro is evil, the embargo stays until all of you outlive him.
b ) Enough already; Cubans in Miami don't represent the best interests of the United States.
Please answer the questions below, placed by the "Extended TriSec Family Wingnut Coalition to elect anyone that hates Castro"
a ) Castro is evil, the embargo stays until all of you outlive him.
b ) Enough already; Cubans in Miami don't represent the best interests of the United States.
Comment by Raine on 12/02/2008 17:22:28
Raine on 12/02/2008 17:22:28
Jim Martin On Thom!!! 
Comment by livingonli on 12/02/2008 17:29:43
I guess all those snowbirds who go to Florida in the winter haven't changed that image.
livingonli on 12/02/2008 17:29:43
Quote by Mondobubba:
Scoop, remember it's Florida. The only thing they know about Canadians here is they are Americans with funny accents. Many of my fellow Floridians are hazy on the whole separate country thing. They drive American cars and speak English so, they have to be Americans. Sure they say holiday when they mean vacation, yes they say spanner and not wrench.
I guess all those snowbirds who go to Florida in the winter haven't changed that image.
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/02/2008 17:45:27
Mondobubba on 12/02/2008 17:45:27
Interesting article on auto worker pay.
If members of the UAW make 3 times as much as workers for Toyota, Nissan & Honda why are they non-union shops? Think about it for minute. Add it to your arsenal when you debate wing nuts.
If members of the UAW make 3 times as much as workers for Toyota, Nissan & Honda why are they non-union shops? Think about it for minute. Add it to your arsenal when you debate wing nuts.
Comment by Scoopster on 12/02/2008 17:45:28
Scoopster on 12/02/2008 17:45:28
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/02/2008 17:56:53
The thing about the Wing-nut Cubans is this Tri, they are on the verge of irrelevance, if not irrelevant already. This has to do with changing demographic of the Hispanic/Latin population of la Florida. In the past it used to be Cubans, Cubans and more Cubans in South Florida. Now they are a minority of the total Hispanic population. The non-Cuban Hispanics vote Democratic. Hell even the current generation of Cubans don't vote Republican like there parents or grandparents. This might not be true of the wing-nut contingent of Mrs TriSec's family, but for the general Hispanic population it is true. So I say in closing:
¡Voto Mondo! Un hombre preocupado por épocas preocupadas.
(Soy Mondo y apruebo este mensaje, Pagado por Mondo para el senado de los E.E.U.U.)
Mondobubba on 12/02/2008 17:56:53
Quote by TriSec:
This whole Mondo for Senate thing...you're going to have to deal with South Florida...
Please answer the questions below, placed by the "Extended TriSec Family Wingnut Coalition to elect anyone that hates Castro"
a ) Castro is evil, the embargo stays until all of you outlive him.
b ) Enough already; Cubans in Miami don't represent the best interests of the United States.
The thing about the Wing-nut Cubans is this Tri, they are on the verge of irrelevance, if not irrelevant already. This has to do with changing demographic of the Hispanic/Latin population of la Florida. In the past it used to be Cubans, Cubans and more Cubans in South Florida. Now they are a minority of the total Hispanic population. The non-Cuban Hispanics vote Democratic. Hell even the current generation of Cubans don't vote Republican like there parents or grandparents. This might not be true of the wing-nut contingent of Mrs TriSec's family, but for the general Hispanic population it is true. So I say in closing:
¡Voto Mondo! Un hombre preocupado por épocas preocupadas.
(Soy Mondo y apruebo este mensaje, Pagado por Mondo para el senado de los E.E.U.U.)
Comment by 
Random on 12/02/2008 18:04:10
Random on 12/02/2008 18:04:10
Mondo runnin for Senate?
Hm...That gives me an idea...
*takes out axe*
Hm...That gives me an idea...
*takes out axe*
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/02/2008 18:08:24
What can I say we are a wacky state! I think it has something to to with too much sun.
Mondobubba on 12/02/2008 18:08:24
Quote by Scoopster:
WTF...
Ehh like you said Mondo, it's Florida.
What can I say we are a wacky state! I think it has something to to with too much sun.
Comment by Random on 12/02/2008 18:12:07
Random on 12/02/2008 18:12:07
On the note of Florida.
It's a state where you can shoot someone (legally) if they give ya the stank eye.
It's a state where you can shoot someone (legally) if they give ya the stank eye.
Comment by TriSec on 12/02/2008 18:52:58
TriSec on 12/02/2008 18:52:58
*grunt*
<-- me, vs. the world.
<-- BUNNY!
<-- me, vs. the world. <-- BUNNY!
Comment by Raine on 12/02/2008 18:54:16
GOOD!
I want Obamanas now! Screw the Bushites.
Raine on 12/02/2008 18:54:16
Quote by Scoopster:
WaPo: Gates may be staying, but the Bushit deputies aren't...
GOOD!
I want Obamanas now! Screw the Bushites.
Comment by Raine on 12/02/2008 18:54:44
Wassup Tri?
Raine on 12/02/2008 18:54:44
Quote by TriSec:
*grunt*
Wassup Tri?
Comment by Raine on 12/02/2008 19:03:10
HEY!
You think you can outdo US?
City Council member, C.T. Martin Tried REALLY hard last August (2007... that is)
The world was saved, btw... we can still show our bra straps here in Atlanta.
Raine on 12/02/2008 19:03:10
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Scoopster:
WTF...
Ehh like you said Mondo, it's Florida.
What can I say we are a wacky state! I think it has something to to with too much sun.
You think you can outdo US?
City Council member, C.T. Martin Tried REALLY hard last August (2007... that is)
Baggy pants that show boxer shorts or thongs would be illegal under a proposed amendment to Atlanta's indecency laws.
The amendment, sponsored by city councilman C.T. Martin, states that sagging pants are an "epidemic" that is becoming a "major concern" around the country.
"Little children see it and want to adopt it, thinking it's the in thing," Martin said Wednesday. "I don't want young people thinking that half-dressing is the way to go. I want them to think about their future."
The proposed ordinance would also bar women from showing the strap of a thong beneath their pants. They would also be prohibited from wearing jogging bras in public or show a bra strap, said Debbie Seagraves, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Georgia.
The proposed ordinance states that "the indecent exposure of his or her undergarments" would be unlawful in a public place. It would go in the same portion of the city code that outlaws sex in public and the exposure or fondling of genitals.
The penalty would be a fine in an amount to be determined, Martin said.
The world was saved, btw... we can still show our bra straps here in Atlanta.
Comment by livingonli on 12/02/2008 19:11:27
livingonli on 12/02/2008 19:11:27
Look at what those wacky Republicans have done to the red states or even purple states.
Comment by TriSec on 12/02/2008 19:11:35
Still poopy over yesterday. I'm glad I have an office wife...we were talking about some strategery to see what I might be able to still salvage if this outside gig doesn't pan out.
TriSec on 12/02/2008 19:11:35
Quote by Raine:
Wassup Tri?
Still poopy over yesterday. I'm glad I have an office wife...we were talking about some strategery to see what I might be able to still salvage if this outside gig doesn't pan out.
Comment by livingonli on 12/02/2008 19:16:08
livingonli on 12/02/2008 19:16:08
Tri, at least you have us. 
If I could have made DC for the inaugural I would have loved a meet-up.
If I could have made DC for the inaugural I would have loved a meet-up.
Comment by TriSec on 12/02/2008 19:30:44
TriSec on 12/02/2008 19:30:44
Hey, nobody outdoes THIS Commonwealth when it comes to strange laws...
Seeing that our books go back to the 1630s, a good number of these have never been repealed.
Seeing that our books go back to the 1630s, a good number of these have never been repealed.
Comment by Raine on 12/02/2008 19:36:52
you sure that isn't in Georgia?
Raine on 12/02/2008 19:36:52
Quote by TriSec:
Hey, nobody outdoes THIS Commonwealth when it comes to strange laws...
Seeing that our books go back to the 1630s, a good number of these have never been repealed.
All men must carry a rifle to church on Sunday.
you sure that isn't in Georgia?
Comment by TriSec on 12/02/2008 19:39:37
Bolt, Fung-Wah, LuckyStar, and Acela all come up to Boston....
TriSec on 12/02/2008 19:39:37
Quote by livingonli:
Tri, at least you have us.
If I could have made DC for the inaugural I would have loved a meet-up.
Bolt, Fung-Wah, LuckyStar, and Acela all come up to Boston....
Comment by livingonli on 12/02/2008 19:41:14
livingonli on 12/02/2008 19:41:14
Next time I come up to Boston I will definitely look you up. But it probably won't be at least until the weather is warmer.
Comment by livingonli on 12/02/2008 19:42:24
livingonli on 12/02/2008 19:42:24
Damn, I missed it. Lizz Winstead was on Laura Flanders Grit TV show today.
At times like this I wish I still had the dish.
At times like this I wish I still had the dish.
Comment by Raine on 12/02/2008 19:42:42
Raine on 12/02/2008 19:42:42
So now the Bushies think they can ASSUME what the PE will support?
Obama Will Fight For Wiretap Immunity, Bush Lawyer Tells Judge
Justice Department attorney Carl Nichols didn't get through his first full sentence defending the constitutionality of retroactive immunity for spying telecom carriers before U.S. district judge Vaughn Walker interrupted to ask about President-elect Barack Obama.
"We are going to have new attorney general," Walker interjected in Tuesday morning's hearing in a San Francisco courthouse. "Why shouldn't the court wait to see what the new attorney general will do?"
At issue in the latest hearing in the EFF's lawsuit against AT&T for alleged complicity in illegal wiretapping is whether Congress has the right to free the nation's telecoms from the lawsuits pending against them.
Nichols is arguing that Obama's Justice Department will continue to defend the immunity statute. (Obama voted for the bill but held his nose on the immunity provisions.)
"The Department of Justice rarely, if ever, declines to defend the constitutionality of a statute," Nichols said. "It's very, very unlikely for a future DOJ to decline to defend the constitutionality of this statute."
Stay tuned for further updates as Tuesday's hearing progresses.
Comment by TriSec on 12/02/2008 19:43:37
TriSec on 12/02/2008 19:43:37
Guess the Quote:
"Whoever succeeds me must be sure to have an opening for a new war. In future peace treaties, we must therefore always leave open a few questions that will provide a pretext. That's Statesmanship!"
"Whoever succeeds me must be sure to have an opening for a new war. In future peace treaties, we must therefore always leave open a few questions that will provide a pretext. That's Statesmanship!"
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/02/2008 19:45:16
I see Atlanta and raise you a bill that died in committee in the state senate a couple of sessions ago. Not to mention the contentious issue of what should be the State Pie of Florida: Pecan or Key Lime. Cause you know when I think pecan pie, I think Florida!
Mondobubba on 12/02/2008 19:45:16
Quote by Raine:HEY!Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Scoopster:
WTF...
Ehh like you said Mondo, it's Florida.
What can I say we are a wacky state! I think it has something to to with too much sun.
You think you can outdo US?
City Council member, C.T. Martin Tried REALLY hard last August (2007... that is)Baggy pants that show boxer shorts or thongs would be illegal under a proposed amendment to Atlanta's indecency laws.
The amendment, sponsored by city councilman C.T. Martin, states that sagging pants are an "epidemic" that is becoming a "major concern" around the country.
"Little children see it and want to adopt it, thinking it's the in thing," Martin said Wednesday. "I don't want young people thinking that half-dressing is the way to go. I want them to think about their future."
The proposed ordinance would also bar women from showing the strap of a thong beneath their pants. They would also be prohibited from wearing jogging bras in public or show a bra strap, said Debbie Seagraves, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Georgia.
The proposed ordinance states that "the indecent exposure of his or her undergarments" would be unlawful in a public place. It would go in the same portion of the city code that outlaws sex in public and the exposure or fondling of genitals.
The penalty would be a fine in an amount to be determined, Martin said.
The world was saved, btw... we can still show our bra straps here in Atlanta.
I see Atlanta and raise you a bill that died in committee in the state senate a couple of sessions ago. Not to mention the contentious issue of what should be the State Pie of Florida: Pecan or Key Lime. Cause you know when I think pecan pie, I think Florida!
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/02/2008 19:49:32
For those of use without access to the above mentioned travel modes, Airtran flies to Boston very frequently. For cheap, too.
Mondobubba on 12/02/2008 19:49:32
Quote by TriSec:Quote by livingonli:
Tri, at least you have us.
If I could have made DC for the inaugural I would have loved a meet-up.
Bolt, Fung-Wah, LuckyStar, and Acela all come up to Boston....
For those of use without access to the above mentioned travel modes, Airtran flies to Boston very frequently. For cheap, too.
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/02/2008 19:52:16
Mondobubba on 12/02/2008 19:52:16
WTF! It is more expensive to fly from Atlanta to Boston on AirTran than it is to fly from Jacksonville.
Comment by TriSec on 12/02/2008 19:55:01
TriSec on 12/02/2008 19:55:01
*snort*
Well, there's no doubting where Boston Cream Pie and Cake came from....(two different things, and I'm pretty sure at least one of them is the Official State Dessert.)
Well, there's no doubting where Boston Cream Pie and Cake came from....(two different things, and I'm pretty sure at least one of them is the Official State Dessert.)
Comment by Random on 12/02/2008 19:56:53
Random on 12/02/2008 19:56:53
Random's alone now.
Comment by TriSec on 12/02/2008 20:01:45
Curious...that's their hub, isn't it?
Of course, I've priced all the airports in south Florida..BOS-PBI seems to be the most expensive route. It's cheaper to fly to FLL, MIA, and Fort Meyers from Boston. PBI is also the most expensive car rental location...
TriSec on 12/02/2008 20:01:45
Quote by Mondobubba:
WTF! It is more expensive to fly from Atlanta to Boston on AirTran than it is to fly from Jacksonville.
Curious...that's their hub, isn't it?
Of course, I've priced all the airports in south Florida..BOS-PBI seems to be the most expensive route. It's cheaper to fly to FLL, MIA, and Fort Meyers from Boston. PBI is also the most expensive car rental location...
Comment by livingonli on 12/02/2008 20:04:34
livingonli on 12/02/2008 20:04:34
Time for me to head off to the salt mine.
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/02/2008 20:05:00
Yeah, it is. You can get a non-stop from Atlanta to Boston for a mere 154 bucks.
Mondobubba on 12/02/2008 20:05:00
Quote by TriSec:Quote by Mondobubba:
WTF! It is more expensive to fly from Atlanta to Boston on AirTran than it is to fly from Jacksonville.
Curious...that's their hub, isn't it?
Of course, I've priced all the airports in south Florida..BOS-PBI seems to be the most expensive route. It's cheaper to fly to FLL, MIA, and Fort Meyers from Boston. PBI is also the most expensive car rental location...
Yeah, it is. You can get a non-stop from Atlanta to Boston for a mere 154 bucks.
Comment by Random on 12/02/2008 20:06:45
Random on 12/02/2008 20:06:45
That felt good...oh sooo good.
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/02/2008 20:09:30
Mondobubba on 12/02/2008 20:09:30
I am off for a meeting with my adviser and class. Wish me luck. For those who didn't see last night, me trying to remember T-SQL syntax:
:bang2: bang2:
:bang2: bang2:
Comment by TriSec on 12/02/2008 20:13:41
TriSec on 12/02/2008 20:13:41
Well, iTunes party shuffle sure has a sense of humor today...
Next four on my playlist:
Miles Davis
Bitstream Dream
Charlie Parker
Sun Ra
:airbags deploy:
Next four on my playlist:
Miles Davis
Bitstream Dream
Charlie Parker
Sun Ra
:airbags deploy:
Comment by Raine on 12/02/2008 20:14:08
Do I dare ask?
:rofl:
Raine on 12/02/2008 20:14:08
Quote by Random:
That felt good...oh sooo good.
:rofl:
Comment by Random on 12/02/2008 20:16:17
Random on 12/02/2008 20:16:17
Some video tools v-blog about Dec 5 Supreme Court dealing with Obama's Birth Certificate. Watch the video or not, but i do challenge you to Find Random's Comment
Have fun...
Yes, I am that bored.
Have fun...
Yes, I am that bored.
Comment by Random on 12/02/2008 20:18:36
Sure, ask, i just posted the link to it.
Random on 12/02/2008 20:18:36
Quote by Raine:Do I dare ask?Quote by Random:
That felt good...oh sooo good.
:rofl:
Sure, ask, i just posted the link to it.
Comment by Random on 12/02/2008 20:19:18
Right...uh huh...No idea who those people are.
Random on 12/02/2008 20:19:18
Quote by TriSec:
Well, iTunes party shuffle sure has a sense of humor today...
Next four on my playlist:
Miles Davis
Bitstream Dream
Charlie Parker
Sun Ra
:airbags deploy:
Right...uh huh...No idea who those people are.
Comment by Random on 12/02/2008 20:37:14
Random on 12/02/2008 20:37:14
Comment by BobR on 12/02/2008 20:43:41
BobR on 12/02/2008 20:43:41
Comment by BobR on 12/02/2008 20:48:07
EVERY state has strange old laws... It's when they try to enact (or succeed in doing so) bizarre (or worse) NEW laws that eyebrows launch towards the stratosphere...
BobR on 12/02/2008 20:48:07
Quote by TriSec:
Hey, nobody outdoes THIS Commonwealth when it comes to strange laws...
Seeing that our books go back to the 1630s, a good number of these have never been repealed.
EVERY state has strange old laws... It's when they try to enact (or succeed in doing so) bizarre (or worse) NEW laws that eyebrows launch towards the stratosphere...
Comment by Random on 12/02/2008 20:48:38
Pretty low that teachers have to do such a thing.
Notice I'm pissed at the School board and the budget, and not the teacher.
Random on 12/02/2008 20:48:38
Quote by BobR:
How low has the state of our education system sunk?...
Pretty damn low...
Pretty low that teachers have to do such a thing.
Notice I'm pissed at the School board and the budget, and not the teacher.
Comment by BobR on 12/02/2008 20:50:09
right - that's the point I was trying to make.
BobR on 12/02/2008 20:50:09
Quote by Random:
Pretty low that teachers have to do such a thing.
Notice I'm pissed at the School board and the budget, and not the teacher.
right - that's the point I was trying to make.
Comment by Random on 12/02/2008 20:50:53
There is something strangely contradictory about those statements.
Random on 12/02/2008 20:50:53
Quote by BobR:Quote by TriSec:
Hey, nobody outdoes THIS Commonwealth when it comes to strange laws...
Seeing that our books go back to the 1630s, a good number of these have never been repealed.
EVERY state has strange old laws... It's when they try to enact (or succeed in doing so) bizarre (or worse) NEW laws that eyebrows launch towards the stratosphere...
All men must carry a rifle to church on Sunday.
Hunting on Sundays is prohibited.
There is something strangely contradictory about those statements.
Comment by Random on 12/02/2008 20:55:01
Random on 12/02/2008 20:55:01
Wow...Florida's Fucked up.
My Favorite though is : "It is illegal to sell your children."
- One may not commit any “unnatural acts” with another person.
- Unmarried couples may not commit “lewd acts” and live together in the same residence
- Doors of all public buildings must open outwards.
- A special law prohibits unmarried women from parachuting on Sunday or she shall risk arrest, fine, and/or jailing.
- It is illegal to sing in a public place while attired in a swimsuit.
- Men may not be seen publicly in any kind of strapless gown.
- Having sexual relations with a porcupine is illegal.
- It is illegal to skateboard without a license.
- When having sex, only the missionary position is legal.
- You may not fart in a public place after 6 P
- It is considered an offense to shower naked.
- Oral sex is illegal.
- You may not kiss your wife’s breasts.
My Favorite though is : "It is illegal to sell your children."
Comment by Random on 12/02/2008 20:55:40
Well, I quessed right then.
Random on 12/02/2008 20:55:40
Quote by BobR:Quote by Random:
Pretty low that teachers have to do such a thing.
Notice I'm pissed at the School board and the budget, and not the teacher.
right - that's the point I was trying to make.
Well, I quessed right then.
Comment by Random on 12/02/2008 21:11:01
I think the blog is dead again...I think i killed it
Random on 12/02/2008 21:11:01
I think the blog is dead again...I think i killed it
Comment by TriSec on 12/02/2008 21:14:57
Now, now...there's a reason for that.
Look up the "Cocoanut Grove" (Boston) sometime.
TriSec on 12/02/2008 21:14:57
- Doors of all public buildings must open outwards.
Now, now...there's a reason for that.
Look up the "Cocoanut Grove" (Boston) sometime.
Comment by Raine on 12/02/2008 21:16:21
Raine on 12/02/2008 21:16:21
Comment by Raine on 12/02/2008 21:17:52
Naw--- I just took a walkabout.
Raine on 12/02/2008 21:17:52
Quote by Random:
I think the blog is dead again...I think i killed it
Naw--- I just took a walkabout.
Comment by Random on 12/02/2008 21:19:19
Eh...I still like Oral Sex is illegal in Florida.
Random on 12/02/2008 21:19:19
Quote by TriSec:
- Doors of all public buildings must open outwards.
Now, now...there's a reason for that.
Look up the "Cocoanut Grove" (Boston) sometime.
Eh...I still like Oral Sex is illegal in Florida.
Comment by Raine on 12/02/2008 21:20:32
Take the Blue or Orange Metro... :rofl:.. mmkay? it's the big supreme court building that looks like a big temple...
OH MY GAWD!!!!
Raine on 12/02/2008 21:20:32
Quote by Random:
Some video tools v-blog about Dec 5 Supreme Court dealing with Obama's Birth Certificate. Watch the video or not, but i do challenge you to Find Random's Comment
Have fun...
Yes, I am that bored.
Take the Blue or Orange Metro... :rofl:.. mmkay? it's the big supreme court building that looks like a big temple... OH MY GAWD!!!!
Comment by Raine on 12/02/2008 21:21:45
Have a nice day.
:spit: That guy just inpsires...
Raine on 12/02/2008 21:21:45
Quote by Raine:Quote by Random:
Some video tools v-blog about Dec 5 Supreme Court dealing with Obama's Birth Certificate. Watch the video or not, but i do challenge you to Find Random's Comment
Have fun...
Yes, I am that bored.
OH MY GAWD!!!!
:spit: That guy just inpsires...
Comment by Random on 12/02/2008 21:22:37
Makes me wish i could listen to it...damn speakers...
Sounds hillarious.
Random on 12/02/2008 21:22:37
Quote by Raine:Quote by Random:
Some video tools v-blog about Dec 5 Supreme Court dealing with Obama's Birth Certificate. Watch the video or not, but i do challenge you to Find Random's Comment
Have fun...
Yes, I am that bored.
OH MY GAWD!!!!
Makes me wish i could listen to it...damn speakers...
Sounds hillarious.
Comment by Raine on 12/02/2008 21:25:46
I am still laughing at this guy!!!
I MUST post it here... I must...
Raine on 12/02/2008 21:25:46
Quote by Random:
Some video tools v-blog about Dec 5 Supreme Court dealing with Obama's Birth Certificate. Watch the video or not, but i do challenge you to Find Random's Comment
Have fun...
Yes, I am that bored.
I MUST post it here... I must...
Comment by Raine on 12/02/2008 21:27:29
All the sighs in between are just too funny.
Raine on 12/02/2008 21:27:29
I have no problem with Obama being president... but. Not with Obama as a Userper.
Have a nice day.
All the sighs in between are just too funny.
Comment by Random on 12/02/2008 21:30:38
Want more funny?
Visit the site, it's all decked out in U.S. Constitutional wallpaper and buttons and stuff, but the guy actually says
(the bold his)
Random on 12/02/2008 21:30:38
Quote by Raine:I have no problem with Obama being president... but. Not with Obama as a Userper.
Have a nice day.
All the sighs in between are just too funny.
Want more funny?
Visit the site, it's all decked out in U.S. Constitutional wallpaper and buttons and stuff, but the guy actually says
We can only pray, that the GOD our great republic was founded on will instill his most ultimate wisdom on these nine Supreme Court Justices to interpret the case before this most honorable court
(the bold his)
Comment by Raine on 12/02/2008 21:31:42
Raine on 12/02/2008 21:31:42
you know that crazy loon thinks that neither McCain OR Obama were qualified to be President.
Comment by Random on 12/02/2008 21:33:16
Really? Did he say that? My speakers aren't working, can't hear the vid.
Random on 12/02/2008 21:33:16
Quote by Raine:
you know that crazy loon thinks that neither McCain OR Obama were qualified to be President.
Really? Did he say that? My speakers aren't working, can't hear the vid.
Comment by Raine on 12/02/2008 21:34:17
I checked out another one of his videos...
HE is a loon. a sad loon.
Raine on 12/02/2008 21:34:17
Quote by Random:Quote by Raine:
you know that crazy loon thinks that neither McCain OR Obama were qualified to be President.
Really? Did he say that? My speakers aren't working, can't hear the vid.
HE is a loon. a sad loon.
Comment by Random on 12/02/2008 21:36:25
Wow...I'm glad now i sent off those links to Wonkette.
I hope they put it up there.
Random on 12/02/2008 21:36:25
Quote by Raine:I checked out another one of his videos...Quote by Random:Quote by Raine:
you know that crazy loon thinks that neither McCain OR Obama were qualified to be President.
Really? Did he say that? My speakers aren't working, can't hear the vid.
HE is a loon. a sad loon.
Wow...I'm glad now i sent off those links to Wonkette.
I hope they put it up there.
Comment by Raine on 12/02/2008 21:49:29
Follow up...
London is leaving.
Scoop, Looks like that story that you posted is already happening!
Raine on 12/02/2008 21:49:29
Quote by Scoopster:
WaPo: Gates may be staying, but the Bushit deputies aren't...
Follow up...
London is leaving.
Deputy Defense Secretary Gordon England said in a statement today that he will leave his post Jan. 20 when President-elect Barack Obama’s administration comes into office.
England’s announcement came a day after Obama announced he will keep Defense Secretary Robert Gates. Gates told reporters at the Pentagon today that he has “no intention of being a caretaker secretary.” Gates said he and Obama agreed his appointment would be “open-ended.”
England, 71, has served eight years in the Bush administration, including two stints as Navy secretary and first deputy secretary of the Department of Homeland Security.
“Every new president fills political positions” in the Department of Defense,” Gates said.
Scoop, Looks like that story that you posted is already happening!
Comment by Random on 12/02/2008 21:54:41
Random on 12/02/2008 21:54:41
yay MST3K
Makes me feel good again.
Makes me feel good again.
Comment by livingonli on 12/02/2008 22:00:32
livingonli on 12/02/2008 22:00:32
So in Florida you can fart in public as long as it's before 6 PM. 
Comment by Raine on 12/02/2008 22:36:26
Raine on 12/02/2008 22:36:26
OMG a caller on Randi saying he is gonna vote for Saxby. 
Comment by 
IzzyBitz on 12/02/2008 23:14:46
Hi Raine!
The sound of his voice scares me silly. We don't have them there people who talk with frightful accents in Cali!
IzzyBitz on 12/02/2008 23:14:46
Quote by Raine:
OMG a caller on Randi saying he is gonna vote for Saxby.
Hi Raine!
The sound of his voice scares me silly. We don't have them there people who talk with frightful accents in Cali!
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/02/2008 23:40:13
Mondobubba on 12/02/2008 23:40:13
When do the polls close, Raine? 7?
Comment by livingonli on 12/03/2008 00:00:22
livingonli on 12/03/2008 00:00:22
I believee it's 7. Raine put it on her facecrack page.
Comment by Random on 12/03/2008 00:14:38
Random on 12/03/2008 00:14:38
So...Polls are closed...who won?
Comment by livingonli on 12/03/2008 00:59:51
livingonli on 12/03/2008 00:59:51
Shameless is ahead but only a small percentage of votes have been counted so far.
Comment by Random on 12/03/2008 01:44:11
Well at the time of this posting, it's been almost 2 hours. We all knew who our next pres was within that time, how does this take so long?
Random on 12/03/2008 01:44:11
Quote by livingonli:
Shameless is ahead but only a small percentage of votes have been counted so far.
Well at the time of this posting, it's been almost 2 hours. We all knew who our next pres was within that time, how does this take so long?
Comment by velveeta jones on 12/03/2008 02:47:29
velveeta jones on 12/03/2008 02:47:29
Sorry my GA friends.
:(
:(
Comment by Raine on 12/03/2008 03:02:57
Raine on 12/03/2008 03:02:57
I apologize to America for What this state has wrought.
Comment by Raine on 12/03/2008 03:07:39
Raine on 12/03/2008 03:07:39
Saxby Chambliss... the man who does NOTHING for the State of Georgia. NOTHING. The only thing he has ever done was to bow down on his knees in front of the standing pResident and gladly blown a horn. It wasn't even his own....
HE voted against S-chip, he voted against LIHEAP. He does NOTHING for georgia and the people of this state voted for him again. Fucking idjits.
I am currently in one of those stages of grief... I think it is called anger.
:rage:
HE voted against S-chip, he voted against LIHEAP. He does NOTHING for georgia and the people of this state voted for him again. Fucking idjits.
I am currently in one of those stages of grief... I think it is called anger.
:rage:
Comment by 
trojanrabbit on 12/03/2008 03:11:38
trojanrabbit on 12/03/2008 03:11:38
You guys need a bit of levity after hearing what happened in GA. :(
I'm done with the Philco and it's all buttoned up. Now what to play through it the first time it's back in one piece. Haven't heard today's SMS yet.... well if the old girl can stand Mama without going pfft again it can take anything.
I'm done with the Philco and it's all buttoned up. Now what to play through it the first time it's back in one piece. Haven't heard today's SMS yet.... well if the old girl can stand Mama without going pfft again it can take anything.
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/03/2008 03:35:26
Mondobubba on 12/03/2008 03:35:26
Crap. The good people of Georgia collectively aren't too bright are they?
Wait what am I saying! What about the collective IQ of Florida? We elected Mel Martinez who did some Chambliss level lying in his election in 04.
Wait what am I saying! What about the collective IQ of Florida? We elected Mel Martinez who did some Chambliss level lying in his election in 04.
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/03/2008 03:38:45
Mondobubba on 12/03/2008 03:38:45
:spit: KO, Nixon tapes...porn ruling...can't talk...
KO, Nixon tapes...porn ruling...can't talk...
Comment by livingonli on 12/03/2008 07:40:08
livingonli on 12/03/2008 07:40:08
The Daily Show waited until tonight to play the Ad with Saxby touching his granddaughter. Then again you might have to wonder about the people who voted for him.