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This Torture is Torture
Author: velveeta jones    Date: 05/24/2009 13:28:09

War is hell, so I’ve heard uttered from everyone from John Wayne to “Rambo” to Dick Cheney, none of who served in any branch of the military.

I’ve never been to war and I pray that I never see the horrors of such a thing. I also know that I have the military branch and all the brave people that serve to thank for that. So despite my differences with our American military and many of their policies, and with a few soldiers that turn out to be “bad apples”, I will still celebrate the memory of those that have passed on this Memorial Day.

I do believe that our military strength has, on many occasions, kept us, and our allies safe. I do not, however, believe even for a moment that torture has kept us any safer or that we have uncovered any nefarious plots because of it. And I stand by that belief no matter how many times Cheney and his followers try to scare me with "9/11".

Now, most of us have seen this silly radio guy – (Does he really call himself “ManCow”? And on purpose?) – get himself soaking wet to make a point. His point was supposed to be, “Water boarding is just uncomfortable”, but that backfired when he only lasted 6 or 7 seconds. I found the video amusing at first, then, after watching again, I found myself just feeling glad that he survived the ordeal. Even though it was a controlled event, and though I personally find him repugnant, I was just glad that he was okay. I mean he may be a loudmouthed idiot and a showoff and a jerk, but he’s a damn brave loudmouthed idiot showoff jerk! And he admitted it; it is torture.

I can see that if I were to be interrogated by this method, I’d talk. Oh… would I talk. Plots of destruction that I pulled out of my ass, fictional bank account numbers, people that I made up, safe combinations from my High School locker…. all kinds of information. All of it completely worthless; because I have nothing. (Martha Stewart is a communist! Her recipes are all secret code!)

But let’s suppose I did have information that was valuable. Would it work on me then? I guess this is the crux of the debate about torture. All that I know is, many of these people with such a fervent religious cause are willing to die – so I doubt torture will get them to talk. And, again, are we to believe what they say?

A caller on Thom Hartmann’s show the other day brought up a wonderful point about this debate. Basically, why do we only seem to torture people of the Muslim faith? (I think we can call it torture now, thanks to “ManCow”) If this water boarding crap works, why didn’t we use it on Timothy McViegh to find the rumored "John Doe # 2"? Sure, he’s only rumored to exist, but why not a little torture, just to be thorough?

Why not use this technique on people of interest in the 2001 Anthrax attack? If it works so well and all, wouldn’t this case be solved by now? For that matter, why not use it on gang members, Klan members and Christian fundies who support overthrow of the U.S. Government and bombing clinics? I’m sure we could did up some shootings, drug activities, bank robbery plots, doctor murder plots and the like.

Why not just retrofit our police interrogation rooms to accommodate these methods? I mean, I will confess!! Okay, okay, here’s the thing….. Friday night I went downtown and I did not pay the meter. I know! I know! Its just that I have a handicap pass – which isn’t really mine, its my partners…. and Oh My GOD….. I didn’t pay the meter. I just didn’t have the change on me….. and I wanted a fancy espresso coffee. Take me away officer – just don’t TORTURE me!

Well, there you have it. I guess it does work after all. :rolleyes2:

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In a bit of other breaking news, it seems some Republicans are upset over their (loud)mouthpieces and their views. Lets see, recently we’ve had the fabulous plan to rename the Democratic party to the Democrat Socialist Party and we had that really spectacular video of the girl with the flower and the A-bomb in the background and lest we forget all the teabagging fun. Hey, can a group really rename another group? Lets all decide right here and now to rename something. Lets call conservative radio as a whole: “Dickfours”. That way, when people ask, “what’s a dickfour?” (drumroll).

Anyway, at least one Republican wants to take away all our fun:

After viewing an RNC video that juxtaposed the speaker with the James Bond villainess, Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) told POLITICO Saturday:

"I thought it was reprehensible, irresponsible and unpersuasive. If we're going to regain the credibility of the American people, we're going to have to stop with silly antics like that. It may get a snide chuckle inside the Beltway, but it offends most people. We have to get away from the politics of personal destruction," he said of the video.


On behalf Stephanie Miller, Rachel Maddow, Jon Stewart and Keith Olbermann fans everywhere: please STFU. We just adore your “politics of personal destruction”. Not only does it amuse and entertain us, it digs a larger hole for your party every time one of you opens your mouth!

 

13 comments (Latest Comment: 05/25/2009 01:54:47 by livingonli)
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Comment by AuntAzalea on 05/24/2009 13:58:01
Another great blog VJ. Happy Sundee everyone! Every year on Memorial Day and Labor Day weekend, my friend (Republican gay man?) has a big picnic with everyone bringing either a dessert or salad- Well now it is a bit competitive and Aunt Azalea always up for a challenge has made Angel Food cupcakes with pastel pink buttercream frosting - an oasis of Barbie Dreamhouse cupcakes. I was going to make them Red White & Blue and put them in the shape of the Flag but the idea of people eating them all willy nilly was too much for me.



Comment by velveeta jones on 05/24/2009 14:56:48
Hmmmmm...... cuuuuup caaaaaakes....



:drool:

Comment by TriSec on 05/24/2009 15:13:02
That "cupcake cake" is all the rage at kids' birthday parties over the past year. Neat serving size, no cleanup required, and everyone loves cupcakes!





Comment by Raine on 05/24/2009 15:14:31
I love the image of a sea of Barbie dreamhouse cupcakes!



Ms. Jones, wonderful bloggie today! I too wonder why we only torture people with brown skin... I also wonder about those Presidential briefs from the pentagon with all those lovely bible quotes. WE wouldn't be in the middle of a state sponsored crusade or anything would we?



This happy member of the Democrat Socialist part is going to be canning many pints of Salsa today. After Sunday breakfast -- of course.

Comment by livingonli on 05/24/2009 16:12:50
Mmmm...cupcakes.



Too bad I'm too far away to dig in.

Comment by BobR on 05/24/2009 16:28:24
The reality with torture is it makes people talk. The problem is that there's no way to tell what is true and what is made up just to make it stop. You end up with a lot of noise that needs to be verified, wasting man-hours.



Of course, there's also that whole "crimes against humanity" problem...

Comment by velveeta jones on 05/24/2009 16:34:18
If I were to be tortured, you could never shut me up! Oh, the stuff I'd say/make up! Though, I doubt you could make me become a Yankee fan........ just sayin'.

Comment by Raine on 05/24/2009 17:03:34
Great News...



The State Department will offer equal benefits and protections to same-sex partners of American diplomats, according to an internal memorandum Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton sent last week to an association of gay and lesbian Foreign Service officers.



Mrs. Clinton said the policy change addressed an inequity in the treatment of domestic partners and would help the State Department recruit diplomats, since many international employers already offered such benefits.



“Like all families, our Foreign Service families come in different configurations; all are part of the common fabric of our post communities abroad,” Mrs. Clinton said in the memorandum, a copy of which was provided to The New York Times by a member of the gay and lesbian association.



“At bottom,” she said, “the department will provide these benefits for both opposite-sex and same-sex partners because it is the right thing to do.”

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Drip drip drip. America WILL have Marriage equality in my lifetime.

Comment by trojanrabbit on 05/24/2009 17:42:38
Hello all.



So much for sitting outside, I fear. Radar shows a cell forming nearby and I can hear the thunder, though for now the sun's still out.

Comment by Raine on 05/24/2009 17:55:38
Quote by trojanrabbit:

Hello all.



So much for sitting outside, I fear. Radar shows a cell forming nearby and I can hear the thunder, though for now the sun's still out.


At this point, I fully expect to turn into a mushroom....

Comment by trojanrabbit on 05/24/2009 18:01:43
Quote by Raine:

Quote by trojanrabbit:

Hello all.



So much for sitting outside, I fear. Radar shows a cell forming nearby and I can hear the thunder, though for now the sun's still out.


At this point, I fully expect to turn into a mushroom....




I had to hightail it in really fast. All of a sudden a big red cell appeared on radar and it started pouring.



Dunno if this will show anything.



You can see the two big cells form just outside Boston.



Boston radar

Comment by Mondobubba on 05/25/2009 00:24:29
Evening all. Still gray, still overcast. Still :wacko:

Comment by livingonli on 05/25/2009 01:54:47
That's gotta suck. What happened to the Florida weather?