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Considering the Extremists
Author: BobR
Date: 02/05/2010 13:47:42
Is it fair to tar an entire group with the same broad brush when it's only a few "bad apples" that are causing the problem? This seems to be an apt question as it relates to religious extremism. That label itself is somewhat nebulous in application - how would you apply it? How about someone who is willing to knowingly break the law because their beliefs compel them too?.. No? How about someone who hurts another person because their beliefs compel them too?
One of the most recent notorious examples is Scott Roeder, the killer of Dr. George Tiller, a women's health provider. His religious beliefs compelled him to kill another human being. Would you consider that religious extremism?
The President spoke at a prayer breakfast yesterday. The Fellowship Foundation is rooted in a house on C St. in DC, home to several Republican senators. This foundation and several senators have worked with lawmakers in Uganda to create an anti-gay bill for that country. The President criticized the bill yesterday, and for good reason. The bill imposes a death penalty for being gay. Would you say that putting someone to death for being gay - based on your religious beliefs - is religious extremism?
Another story that's been developing is the missionary group that went to Haiti to "rescue orphans". Most people saw them in a sympathetic light when they got arrested for trying to enter the Dominican Republic with numerous children. Some interesting facts have come to light, however:
It also turns out that not all of the children were orphans, and some are being returned to their parent(s). So - would you consider this (trying to traffic children out of their country) religious extremism, when the leader of the group knew it was against the law?
Some people might say "no" because they believe their hearts were in the right place. Sure they broke the law, but they were just trying to help, right? That was certainly Scott Roeder's defense at his trial - he was just trying to save the fetuses.
More importantly - would you judge all Christians and Christianity in general by the actions of these extremists? Would you be leery of letting any Christian near your child lest they try to kidnap them and deliver them to a "better life"? Would you require anyone that "looks Christian" to get checked for guns before letting them get near a women's health doctor or gay person?
If that all seems ludicrous, consider the way Muslims have been treated for the last 9 years. Considering that there are over 1.5 billion people that adhere to the Islam religion, is it really possible that they are all as dangerous they're portrayed? Or is it more likely that - like the Christian religion - there are sociopaths and psychopaths that use their religion as a moral "get out of hell free" card to act upon their hate, fears, and ego?
Don't throw out the whole bushel because of one or two bad apples... Food for thought.
73 comments (Latest Comment: 02/06/2010 05:07:39 by livingonli)
One of the most recent notorious examples is Scott Roeder, the killer of Dr. George Tiller, a women's health provider. His religious beliefs compelled him to kill another human being. Would you consider that religious extremism?
The President spoke at a prayer breakfast yesterday. The Fellowship Foundation is rooted in a house on C St. in DC, home to several Republican senators. This foundation and several senators have worked with lawmakers in Uganda to create an anti-gay bill for that country. The President criticized the bill yesterday, and for good reason. The bill imposes a death penalty for being gay. Would you say that putting someone to death for being gay - based on your religious beliefs - is religious extremism?
Another story that's been developing is the missionary group that went to Haiti to "rescue orphans". Most people saw them in a sympathetic light when they got arrested for trying to enter the Dominican Republic with numerous children. Some interesting facts have come to light, however:
The Dominican consul general Wednesday rejected the claim from an American church leader that she thought her paperwork was in order when she attempted to take 33 Haitian children out of the country, saying he had told her it was not.
[...]
Four hours later, Silsby and nine other Americans were turned back from the border. They were arrested and taken to a jail in Port-au-Prince.
"This woman knew what she was trying to do was not legal," Castillo said.
It also turns out that not all of the children were orphans, and some are being returned to their parent(s). So - would you consider this (trying to traffic children out of their country) religious extremism, when the leader of the group knew it was against the law?
Some people might say "no" because they believe their hearts were in the right place. Sure they broke the law, but they were just trying to help, right? That was certainly Scott Roeder's defense at his trial - he was just trying to save the fetuses.
More importantly - would you judge all Christians and Christianity in general by the actions of these extremists? Would you be leery of letting any Christian near your child lest they try to kidnap them and deliver them to a "better life"? Would you require anyone that "looks Christian" to get checked for guns before letting them get near a women's health doctor or gay person?
If that all seems ludicrous, consider the way Muslims have been treated for the last 9 years. Considering that there are over 1.5 billion people that adhere to the Islam religion, is it really possible that they are all as dangerous they're portrayed? Or is it more likely that - like the Christian religion - there are sociopaths and psychopaths that use their religion as a moral "get out of hell free" card to act upon their hate, fears, and ego?
Don't throw out the whole bushel because of one or two bad apples... Food for thought.
73 comments (Latest Comment: 02/06/2010 05:07:39 by livingonli)
Comments:
Comment by 
Scoopster on 02/05/2010 13:58:18
Scoopster on 02/05/2010 13:58:18
Morning all & Happy Fridee! 
It occurred to me last night that this fundie missionary group that was in Haiti "collecting orphaned children" had the alternate motivation of converting children brought up in the Voudon religion. Of course, you don't hear any of that on the news.
It occurred to me last night that this fundie missionary group that was in Haiti "collecting orphaned children" had the alternate motivation of converting children brought up in the Voudon religion. Of course, you don't hear any of that on the news.
Comment by 
wickedpam on 02/05/2010 14:06:24
wickedpam on 02/05/2010 14:06:24
Morning 
Comment by 
Raine on 02/05/2010 14:35:09
morning!
Raine on 02/05/2010 14:35:09
morning!
Comment by 
Mondobubba on 02/05/2010 14:46:44
Mondobubba on 02/05/2010 14:46:44
Morning all. Raine, Bob, Mala are you braced for Kaisersnowze?
Comment by Raine on 02/05/2010 14:58:44
Raine on 02/05/2010 14:58:44
Marilou Henner is quite the perky person!
Comment by Raine on 02/05/2010 14:59:13
Good Morning!
We are SHOVEL READY IN DC!
Raine on 02/05/2010 14:59:13
Quote by Mondobubba:
Morning all. Raine, Bob, Mala are you braced for Kaisersnowze?
Good Morning!
We are SHOVEL READY IN DC!
Comment by 
BobR on 02/05/2010 15:00:00
all stocked up on eggs, milk, bread, and toilet paper.
BobR on 02/05/2010 15:00:00
Quote by Mondobubba:
Morning all. Raine, Bob, Mala are you braced for Kaisersnowze?
all stocked up on eggs, milk, bread, and toilet paper.
Comment by wickedpam on 02/05/2010 15:00:35
I'm a work, can't leave until MOm's boss and my boss say it's okay. It's 10AM and its just started coming down lightly. Nothing I can do about it so I'm just trying to keep my stress level down
wickedpam on 02/05/2010 15:00:35
Quote by Mondobubba:
Morning all. Raine, Bob, Mala are you braced for Kaisersnowze?
I'm a work, can't leave until MOm's boss and my boss say it's okay. It's 10AM and its just started coming down lightly. Nothing I can do about it so I'm just trying to keep my stress level down
Comment by wickedpam on 02/05/2010 15:07:07
me -->
<--perky
wickedpam on 02/05/2010 15:07:07
Quote by Raine:
Marilou Henner is quite the perky person!
me -->
<--perky
Comment by BobR on 02/05/2010 15:12:56
Show them this: East Central US Doppler
BobR on 02/05/2010 15:12:56
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:
Morning all. Raine, Bob, Mala are you braced for Kaisersnowze?
I'm a work, can't leave until MOm's boss and my boss say it's okay. It's 10AM and its just started coming down lightly. Nothing I can do about it so I'm just trying to keep my stress level down
Show them this: East Central US Doppler
Comment by wickedpam on 02/05/2010 15:22:33
yeah...doesn't really work here - grocery stores are open so are we - hoping we're closing early though
wickedpam on 02/05/2010 15:22:33
Quote by BobR:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:
Morning all. Raine, Bob, Mala are you braced for Kaisersnowze?
I'm a work, can't leave until MOm's boss and my boss say it's okay. It's 10AM and its just started coming down lightly. Nothing I can do about it so I'm just trying to keep my stress level down
Show them this: East Central US Doppler
yeah...doesn't really work here - grocery stores are open so are we - hoping we're closing early though
Comment by Raine on 02/05/2010 15:27:26
Let me correct this statement:
I am SHOVEL READY IN DC! <--- because my Bronchial Boy literally got a note from his doctor saying he can't shovel.
Oh well. He also can't drink beer, so more for me shoveling in the snow!
Raine on 02/05/2010 15:27:26
Quote by Raine:Quote by Mondobubba:
Morning all. Raine, Bob, Mala are you braced for Kaisersnowze?
Good Morning!
We are SHOVEL READY IN DC!
I am SHOVEL READY IN DC! <--- because my Bronchial Boy literally got a note from his doctor saying he can't shovel.
Oh well. He also can't drink beer, so more for me shoveling in the snow!
Comment by Raine on 02/05/2010 15:30:49
Raine on 02/05/2010 15:30:49
Comment by Mondobubba on 02/05/2010 15:42:05
I was going to ask about beer, but Raine says you have a doctor's note that says noooooee. How awful!
This shovel you mentioned Raine, is it a sturdy coal shovel design or a fruitless wide bladed typical snow shovel?
Mondobubba on 02/05/2010 15:42:05
Quote by BobR:Quote by Mondobubba:
Morning all. Raine, Bob, Mala are you braced for Kaisersnowze?
all stocked up on eggs, milk, bread, and toilet paper.
I was going to ask about beer, but Raine says you have a doctor's note that says noooooee. How awful!
This shovel you mentioned Raine, is it a sturdy coal shovel design or a fruitless wide bladed typical snow shovel?
Comment by Mondobubba on 02/05/2010 15:44:34
Petworth has an organic market? The 'hood? (Full disclosure, Mondo lived just north of Petworth of Georgia Ave, so he knows of what speaks)
Mondobubba on 02/05/2010 15:44:34
Quote by Raine:
Welcome to theGrocery StoreThunderdome
people are truly insane.
Petworth has an organic market? The 'hood? (Full disclosure, Mondo lived just north of Petworth of Georgia Ave, so he knows of what speaks)
Comment by Mondobubba on 02/05/2010 15:48:17
I was just watching Steve Martin's "LA Story" the other day. She isn't perky in that one. No sir not at all.
Mondobubba on 02/05/2010 15:48:17
Quote by Raine:
Marilou Henner is quite the perky person!
I was just watching Steve Martin's "LA Story" the other day. She isn't perky in that one. No sir not at all.
Comment by Mondobubba on 02/05/2010 15:49:33
Mondobubba on 02/05/2010 15:49:33
Bob, is there some sort of RFC I can put in for an audiocon? We need the Craig Ferguson "ooolala!"
Comment by Raine on 02/05/2010 15:52:40
Both!
Raine on 02/05/2010 15:52:40
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by BobR:Quote by Mondobubba:
Morning all. Raine, Bob, Mala are you braced for Kaisersnowze?
all stocked up on eggs, milk, bread, and toilet paper.
I was going to ask about beer, but Raine says you have a doctor's note that says noooooee. How awful!
This shovel you mentioned Raine, is it a sturdy coal shovel design or a fruitless wide bladed typical snow shovel?
Comment by Raine on 02/05/2010 15:56:39
I've heard that it is going thru serious gentrification in the past few years.
Raine on 02/05/2010 15:56:39
Quote by Mondobubba:
Petworth has an organic market? The 'hood? (Full disclosure, Mondo lived just north of Petworth of Georgia Ave, so he knows of what speaks)
Comment by Raine on 02/05/2010 15:57:29
Raine on 02/05/2010 15:57:29
OMG -- Mary Sounds like all of my cousins on LawnGuyland! 
Comment by Raine on 02/05/2010 15:57:50
Raine on 02/05/2010 15:57:50
OMG /Mary Just said Holy Shit!
Comment by Mondobubba on 02/05/2010 15:58:26
Is the snow dry and powdery or wet and heavy? I would recommend the coal shovel over the traditional snow shovel for both, but that's just me, I live in Florida now. Never mind that I was for many years a source of cheap snow shoveling labor and begged my tight wad father to get a coal style shovel. Did he listen? NO! Another unresolved father issue!
Mondobubba on 02/05/2010 15:58:26
Quote by Raine:Both!Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by BobR:Quote by Mondobubba:
Morning all. Raine, Bob, Mala are you braced for Kaisersnowze?
all stocked up on eggs, milk, bread, and toilet paper.
I was going to ask about beer, but Raine says you have a doctor's note that says noooooee. How awful!
This shovel you mentioned Raine, is it a sturdy coal shovel design or a fruitless wide bladed typical snow shovel?
Is the snow dry and powdery or wet and heavy? I would recommend the coal shovel over the traditional snow shovel for both, but that's just me, I live in Florida now. Never mind that I was for many years a source of cheap snow shoveling labor and begged my tight wad father to get a coal style shovel. Did he listen? NO! Another unresolved father issue!
Comment by wickedpam on 02/05/2010 15:59:12
wickedpam on 02/05/2010 15:59:12
Hey Raine have you located the Utrecht in DC yet? If not, once we stop getting snow we can make a trek there and if ya'll haven't gone to eastern market yet that would be fun on a nice spring sunday 
Comment by Mondobubba on 02/05/2010 15:59:27
I kinda figured.
Mondobubba on 02/05/2010 15:59:27
Quote by Raine:I've heard that it is going thru serious gentrification in the past few years.Quote by Mondobubba:
Petworth has an organic market? The 'hood? (Full disclosure, Mondo lived just north of Petworth of Georgia Ave, so he knows of what speaks)
I kinda figured.
Comment by Mondobubba on 02/05/2010 16:00:19
Mondobubba on 02/05/2010 16:00:19
Raine, that Richard Shelby thing, what a petulant little bitch!
Comment by Raine on 02/05/2010 16:03:23
I know where it is but have not been yet. I would love to do that!
Spring cannot come soon enough at this point. I was kinda hoping I could EASE back into serious winters after my time in Atlanta.
I just read an interesting stat, since it seems like cities as Chicago are laughing at us. Chicago has only received two snowstorms in excess of 20" since 1886. The December DC snowstorm would have ranked #5 since 1886.
Raine on 02/05/2010 16:03:23
Quote by wickedpam:
Hey Raine have you located the Utrecht in DC yet? If not, once we stop getting snow we can make a trek there and if ya'll haven't gone to eastern market yet that would be fun on a nice spring sunday
I know where it is but have not been yet. I would love to do that!
Spring cannot come soon enough at this point. I was kinda hoping I could EASE back into serious winters after my time in Atlanta.
I just read an interesting stat, since it seems like cities as Chicago are laughing at us. Chicago has only received two snowstorms in excess of 20" since 1886. The December DC snowstorm would have ranked #5 since 1886.
Comment by Raine on 02/05/2010 16:04:02
It's utterly unacceptable that he did that.
Raine on 02/05/2010 16:04:02
Quote by Mondobubba:
Raine, that Richard Shelby thing, what a petulant little bitch!
Comment by Raine on 02/05/2010 16:06:58
You do remember I lived in Upstate NY, right?
at this point I wish we had a snowblower. I don't think anyone has one on our block. The side walk is not the problem, it's going to be shoveling the service road in front of out house.
Raine on 02/05/2010 16:06:58
Quote by Mondobubba:
Is the snow dry and powdery or wet and heavy? I would recommend the coal shovel over the traditional snow shovel for both, but that's just me, I live in Florida now. Never mind that I was for many years a source of cheap snow shoveling labor and begged my tight wad father to get a coal style shovel. Did he listen? NO! Another unresolved father issue!
You do remember I lived in Upstate NY, right?
at this point I wish we had a snowblower. I don't think anyone has one on our block. The side walk is not the problem, it's going to be shoveling the service road in front of out house.
Comment by wickedpam on 02/05/2010 16:07:54
we don't handle snow here very well, and 2 20"+ storms in one season is not usual.
wickedpam on 02/05/2010 16:07:54
Quote by Raine:Quote by wickedpam:
Hey Raine have you located the Utrecht in DC yet? If not, once we stop getting snow we can make a trek there and if ya'll haven't gone to eastern market yet that would be fun on a nice spring sunday
I know where it is but have not been yet. I would love to do that!
Spring cannot come soon enough at this point. I was kinda hoping I could EASE back into serious winters after my time in Atlanta.
I just read an interesting stat, since it seems like cities as Chicago are laughing at us. Chicago has only received two snowstorms in excess of 20" since 1886. The December DC snowstorm would have ranked #5 since 1886.
we don't handle snow here very well, and 2 20"+ storms in one season is not usual.
Comment by Mondobubba on 02/05/2010 16:09:29
He is throwing a temper fit. In western New York, Chautauqua county to be exact, my grandfather is spinning in his grave.
Mondobubba on 02/05/2010 16:09:29
Quote by Raine:It's utterly unacceptable that he did that.Quote by Mondobubba:
Raine, that Richard Shelby thing, what a petulant little bitch!
He is throwing a temper fit. In western New York, Chautauqua county to be exact, my grandfather is spinning in his grave.
Comment by Mondobubba on 02/05/2010 16:11:26
Umm yeah! :pulls at collar in a Rodney Dangerfield like way:
Mondobubba on 02/05/2010 16:11:26
Quote by Raine:Quote by Mondobubba:
Is the snow dry and powdery or wet and heavy? I would recommend the coal shovel over the traditional snow shovel for both, but that's just me, I live in Florida now. Never mind that I was for many years a source of cheap snow shoveling labor and begged my tight wad father to get a coal style shovel. Did he listen? NO! Another unresolved father issue!
You do remember I lived in Upstate NY, right?
at this point I wish we had a snowblower. I don't think anyone has one on our block. The side walk is not the problem, it's going to be shoveling the service road in front of out house.
Umm yeah! :pulls at collar in a Rodney Dangerfield like way:
Comment by Mondobubba on 02/05/2010 16:13:26
February is usually the month of bad snow up that way. I would say that two storms like you mentioned is not unheard of, but is not the norm.
Mondobubba on 02/05/2010 16:13:26
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:Quote by wickedpam:
Hey Raine have you located the Utrecht in DC yet? If not, once we stop getting snow we can make a trek there and if ya'll haven't gone to eastern market yet that would be fun on a nice spring sunday
I know where it is but have not been yet. I would love to do that!
Spring cannot come soon enough at this point. I was kinda hoping I could EASE back into serious winters after my time in Atlanta.
I just read an interesting stat, since it seems like cities as Chicago are laughing at us. Chicago has only received two snowstorms in excess of 20" since 1886. The December DC snowstorm would have ranked #5 since 1886.
we don't handle snow here very well, and 2 20"+ storms in one season is not usual.
February is usually the month of bad snow up that way. I would say that two storms like you mentioned is not unheard of, but is not the norm.
Comment by Mondobubba on 02/05/2010 16:22:32
Mel, you scamp!
Mondobubba on 02/05/2010 16:22:32
Mel, you scamp!
Comment by BobR on 02/05/2010 16:25:33
If you can find a WAV or MP3, I can certainly add it.
BobR on 02/05/2010 16:25:33
Quote by Mondobubba:
Bob, is there some sort of RFC I can put in for an audiocon? We need the Craig Ferguson "ooolala!"
If you can find a WAV or MP3, I can certainly add it.
Comment by Raine on 02/05/2010 16:26:06
It was kinda funny how Mel was acting like he had no idea what the guy was talking about.
Raine on 02/05/2010 16:26:06
Quote by Mondobubba:
Mel, you scamp!
It was kinda funny how Mel was acting like he had no idea what the guy was talking about.
Comment by Mondobubba on 02/05/2010 16:27:44
I will put that on my to do list.
Mondobubba on 02/05/2010 16:27:44
Quote by BobR:Quote by Mondobubba:
Bob, is there some sort of RFC I can put in for an audiocon? We need the Craig Ferguson "ooolala!"
If you can find a WAV or MP3, I can certainly add it.
I will put that on my to do list.
Comment by 
livingonli on 02/05/2010 16:32:50
livingonli on 02/05/2010 16:32:50
Good morning everyone. I have to go out this afternoon before work since I am off this weekend which means at least Saturday I can duck out the storm once it hits here because now they're saying we might get a foot. If I had some money, I would buy a snow blower for the house since with my house mate is away it's going to be me doing it all.
What did Richard Shelby do? I missed that little tidbit since my schedule doesn't allow me to keep up on the news like I should.
What did Richard Shelby do? I missed that little tidbit since my schedule doesn't allow me to keep up on the news like I should.
Comment by Raine on 02/05/2010 16:36:58
Raine on 02/05/2010 16:36:58
Mala. do you have access to TV?
Do you need me to check the local TV?
Do you need me to check the local TV?
Comment by Raine on 02/05/2010 16:38:25
He put a blanket hold on ALL of Obama nominees because he wants more pork for his state. TPM has it here.
Raine on 02/05/2010 16:38:25
Quote by livingonli:
Good morning everyone. I have to go out this afternoon before work since I am off this weekend which means at least Saturday I can duck out the storm once it hits here because now they're saying we might get a foot. If I had some money, I would buy a snow blower for the house since with my house mate is away it's going to be me doing it all.
What did Richard Shelby do? I missed that little tidbit since my schedule doesn't allow me to keep up on the news like I should.
He put a blanket hold on ALL of Obama nominees because he wants more pork for his state. TPM has it here.
Comment by livingonli on 02/05/2010 16:41:50
He can always blame it on the alcohol or the Jews like in the past.
livingonli on 02/05/2010 16:41:50
Quote by Raine:Quote by Mondobubba:
Mel, you scamp!
It was kinda funny how Mel was acting like he had no idea what the guy was talking about.
He can always blame it on the alcohol or the Jews like in the past.
Comment by livingonli on 02/05/2010 16:45:11
livingonli on 02/05/2010 16:45:11
I'll call Richard Shelby an a-hole. Then again I do that to a lot of GOPers these days.
Comment by wickedpam on 02/05/2010 16:46:21
just the interwebs been checking usa9, wjla and weather.com periodically
wickedpam on 02/05/2010 16:46:21
Quote by Raine:
Mala. do you have access to TV?
Do you need me to check the local TV?
just the interwebs been checking usa9, wjla and weather.com periodically
Comment by Scoopster on 02/05/2010 16:50:28
Scoopster on 02/05/2010 16:50:28
Man.. we're not gonna get any of this mess here.
Comment by Scoopster on 02/05/2010 16:51:06
Hey let's get the Teabaggers on his case!
Scoopster on 02/05/2010 16:51:06
Quote by Raine:Quote by livingonli:
Good morning everyone. I have to go out this afternoon before work since I am off this weekend which means at least Saturday I can duck out the storm once it hits here because now they're saying we might get a foot. If I had some money, I would buy a snow blower for the house since with my house mate is away it's going to be me doing it all.
What did Richard Shelby do? I missed that little tidbit since my schedule doesn't allow me to keep up on the news like I should.
He put a blanket hold on ALL of Obama nominees because he wants more pork for his state. TPM has it here.
Hey let's get the Teabaggers on his case!
Comment by Raine on 02/05/2010 17:15:12
Raine on 02/05/2010 17:15:12
That was funny, Bernie Sanders just called out the president.
HE said "You can't keep going around calling for Bipartisanship, bipartisanship when there is nobody around to be Bi with you"
HE said "You can't keep going around calling for Bipartisanship, bipartisanship when there is nobody around to be Bi with you"
Comment by 
TriSec on 02/05/2010 17:18:13
TriSec on 02/05/2010 17:18:13
Howdy folks! A happy TNT day to you all! [a brief note....today marks the anniversary of that day in 1982 where the citizens of Tebeakesse rose up and overthrew the tyrant mal....and as one of the leaders of the rebellion, this is where my title Tribunal Secretary comes from...hence "TriSec".]
A curious thing seems to be going on this winter...a few years back, we had an extraordinarily mild winter in New England...folks were comparing it to "Winter in DC". Seems like this year is your turn to get the unusual weather.
For us, Feb 6-7 marks the anniversary of the heralded "Blizzard of '78"...which is where Bread...milk...PANIC! comes from.
A curious thing seems to be going on this winter...a few years back, we had an extraordinarily mild winter in New England...folks were comparing it to "Winter in DC". Seems like this year is your turn to get the unusual weather.
For us, Feb 6-7 marks the anniversary of the heralded "Blizzard of '78"...which is where Bread...milk...PANIC! comes from.
Comment by livingonli on 02/05/2010 17:19:51
livingonli on 02/05/2010 17:19:51
Go, Bernie. Too bad he wasn't able to block Bernake though.
Comment by TriSec on 02/05/2010 17:21:52
TriSec on 02/05/2010 17:21:52
Comment by BobR on 02/05/2010 17:30:43
oh Bernie!
BobR on 02/05/2010 17:30:43
Quote by Raine:
That was funny, Bernie Sanders just called out the president.
HE said "You can't keep going around calling for Bipartisanship, bipartisanship when there is nobody around to be Bi with you"
oh Bernie!
Comment by Scoopster on 02/05/2010 17:38:38
- Dylan Loewe @ HuffPo
Scoopster on 02/05/2010 17:38:38
...it should take little effort to build a national consensus around the basic proposition that a single senator should not hold the federal government hostage in exchange for an earmark.
- Dylan Loewe @ HuffPo