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A Tale of Two Stories
Author: BobR
Date: 02/13/2008 13:14:26
There were two big stories yesterday, one which dominated the news, and the other which seemed to slip through unnoticed by most of the MainStream Media. The one getting all the press is that Obama swept the Potomac primaries and now leads in the delegate count.
The story that was eclipsed by the primaries was the spying bill vote. Yesterday, the Senate once again gave Bush everything he wanted:
To add insult to injury, it appears that the White House admits that the telecoms broke the law. From a press conference yesterday with Dana Perino
They've also apparently been discussing pending litigation with the telecoms. From Raw Story:
What better way to hide the misdeeds of the government then to classify them as Top Secret?
So while everyone is talking about the amazing come-from-behind story of the skinny kid with the funny name, our personal privacy and the rule of law are both slowly being eroded.
Chip by chip, the mountain is reduced to sand...
The story that was eclipsed by the primaries was the spying bill vote. Yesterday, the Senate once again gave Bush everything he wanted:
After more than a year of heated political wrangling, the Senate handed the White House a major victory Tuesday by voting to broaden the government’s spy powers after giving legal protection to phone companies that cooperated in President Bush’s warrantless eavesdropping program.
The Senate rejected a series of amendments that would have restricted the government’s surveillance powers and eliminated immunity for the phone carriers, and it voted in convincing fashion — 69 to 29 — to end debate and bring the issue to a final vote. That vote on the overall billwas an almost identical 68 to 29.
The House has already rejected the idea of immunity for the phone companies, and Democratic leaders reacted angrily to the Senate vote. But Congressional officials said it appeared that the House would ultimately be forced to accept some sort of legal protection for the phone carriers in negotiations between the two chambers this week.
The Senate debate amounted to a proxy vote not only on the president’s warrantless wiretapping program, but also on a range of other issues that tested the president’s wartime authority, from secret detentions to wiretapping issues. The discussion in effect presaged the debate over national security that will play out this year in the presidential and congressional elections.
Senator Christopher J. Dodd of Connecticut, who spoke on the Senate floor for more than 20 hours in an unsuccessful effort to stall the wiretapping bill, said the vote would be remembered by future generations as a test of whether the country heeds “the rule of law or the rule of men.”
But with Democrats defecting to the White House plan, he acknowledged that the national security issue had won the day in the Senate, even among many of his Democratic colleagues. “Unfortunately, those who are advocating this notion that you have to give up liberties to be more secure are apparently prevailing,” Mr. Dodd said. “They’re convincing people that we’re at risk either politically, or at risk as a nation.”
To add insult to injury, it appears that the White House admits that the telecoms broke the law. From a press conference yesterday with Dana Perino
Q But were the telephone companies told that it was legal to wiretap six months before 9/11?
MS. PERINO: The telephone companies that were alleged to have helped their country after 9/11 did so because they are patriotic and they certainly helped us and they helped us save lives.
They've also apparently been discussing pending litigation with the telecoms. From Raw Story:
A US government attorney working for the Director of National Intelligence secretly discussed pending litigation with a telecommunications carrier, a top Intelligence official acknowledged this month. But much remains unknown about when the conversation took place or what advice the government attorney may have offered, as the Intelligence Director works to keep notes of the conversation classified.
In a filing released as part its ongoing lawsuit with a privacy watchdog, the government for the first time revealed the contents of a telephone message slip it previously withheld from a Freedom of Information Act response. A DNI administrative assistant took a message from a telecommunications company representative and gave the telco rep's name and number to a govenrment lawyer, who returned the phone call and took notes on the message slip, according to the filing.
What better way to hide the misdeeds of the government then to classify them as Top Secret?
So while everyone is talking about the amazing come-from-behind story of the skinny kid with the funny name, our personal privacy and the rule of law are both slowly being eroded.
Chip by chip, the mountain is reduced to sand...
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Comment by 
m-hadley on 02/13/2008 14:03:16
m-hadley on 02/13/2008 14:03:16
Nice post BobR,
We were thinking along the same lines, although as I was fact checking my post last night before publishing it, I discovered much to my dismay that Obama did not cast a vote in the final call for upholding the Feingold amendment that would have cancelled the immunity provision, so I'm going to have to rework my post, probably won't get around to it til this evening - its another busy day here at the liberry. Carry on, freedom fighters ;)
Cheers,
mfaye
We were thinking along the same lines, although as I was fact checking my post last night before publishing it, I discovered much to my dismay that Obama did not cast a vote in the final call for upholding the Feingold amendment that would have cancelled the immunity provision, so I'm going to have to rework my post, probably won't get around to it til this evening - its another busy day here at the liberry. Carry on, freedom fighters ;)
Cheers,
mfaye
Comment by 
Will in Chicago on 02/13/2008 14:17:59
Will in Chicago on 02/13/2008 14:17:59
Good morning, bloggers!
This vote is distressing, and I will say it: we need a change in the leadership of the House and Senate. Both Reid and Pelosi have been too accommodating to an administration which views civil liberies as optional and seems more interested in protecting its financial backers than in defending our rights.
The early edition of the UNN Daily Headlines are up.
This vote is distressing, and I will say it: we need a change in the leadership of the House and Senate. Both Reid and Pelosi have been too accommodating to an administration which views civil liberies as optional and seems more interested in protecting its financial backers than in defending our rights.
The early edition of the UNN Daily Headlines are up.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 02/13/2008 14:25:43
Lack of Tranquility Base to Houston.
The Ego has landed. I repeat, the Ego has landed.
Will in Chicago on 02/13/2008 14:25:43
Quote by BobR: Oh no she di'int!
Lack of Tranquility Base to Houston.
The Ego has landed. I repeat, the Ego has landed.
Comment by 
velveeta jones on 02/13/2008 14:27:35
velveeta jones on 02/13/2008 14:27:35
Morning ya'll.
My power is going in and out, so I prolly won't be around much today. Won't get any editing done on my project either, *grumble*.
I am angry at both Obama and Clinton for missing votes. I don't know which is worse, not showing up at all or only showing up for half!!
It seems they care more about what people will think - than what is good for our Country, or, what's in their heart.
Anyway, yesterday my darling wife decided that our local Vetrans needed valentine's day cards, so she sat down and made 250 handmade cards to deliver to the troops. What a (crazy) woman!!!! She has arthritis fer cryin' out loud.
But I applaud her. Next year................we'll be asking for ya'lls help.
My power is going in and out, so I prolly won't be around much today. Won't get any editing done on my project either, *grumble*.
I am angry at both Obama and Clinton for missing votes. I don't know which is worse, not showing up at all or only showing up for half!!
It seems they care more about what people will think - than what is good for our Country, or, what's in their heart.
Anyway, yesterday my darling wife decided that our local Vetrans needed valentine's day cards, so she sat down and made 250 handmade cards to deliver to the troops. What a (crazy) woman!!!! She has arthritis fer cryin' out loud.
But I applaud her. Next year................we'll be asking for ya'lls help.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 02/13/2008 14:33:08
Will in Chicago on 02/13/2008 14:33:08
Good morning, VJ! Your wife sounds like a remarkable woman.
I think that if either Obama or Clinton become president, cleaning up the FISA mess should be something done in the first 100 days.
If a Democrat becomes president, I fear that there will be a lot of cleaning up after the circus elephants and the clowns. Oops, I mean the Bush administration. (No offense meant to members of the entertainment industry, especially those known to wear large shoes and rubber noses.)
I think that if either Obama or Clinton become president, cleaning up the FISA mess should be something done in the first 100 days.
If a Democrat becomes president, I fear that there will be a lot of cleaning up after the circus elephants and the clowns. Oops, I mean the Bush administration. (No offense meant to members of the entertainment industry, especially those known to wear large shoes and rubber noses.)
Comment by 
shelaghc on 02/13/2008 14:45:38
I agree we need new new leadership, but the way the system is set up, only the people who've been *in* the system for years and years can be the leaders.
It's a vicious cycle and I don't know how we lowly peons can break it.
shelaghc on 02/13/2008 14:45:38
Quote by will in chicago: Good morning, bloggers!
This vote is distressing, and I will say it: we need a change in the leadership of the House and Senate. Both Reid and Pelosi have been too accommodating to an administration which views civil liberies as optional and seems more interested in protecting its financial backers than in defending our rights.
The early edition of the UNN Daily Headlines are up.
I agree we need new new leadership, but the way the system is set up, only the people who've been *in* the system for years and years can be the leaders.
It's a vicious cycle and I don't know how we lowly peons can break it.
Comment by shelaghc on 02/13/2008 14:50:17
VJ, your wife is a gem.
I work near a VA Hospital. I wonder if I could put together something like that tonight. I don't think I could do handmade, but certainly I could come up with something on the computer, head out early before work and drop them off on my way in......
How would one find out how many of our finest are in that hospital and what would be appropriate as basic greeting(s) to add to the cards?
shelaghc on 02/13/2008 14:50:17
Quote by velveeta jones: Anyway, yesterday my darling wife decided that our local Vetrans needed valentine's day cards, so she sat down and made 250 handmade cards to deliver to the troops. What a (crazy) woman!!!! She has arthritis fer cryin' out loud.
But I applaud her. Next year................we'll be asking for ya'lls help.
VJ, your wife is a gem.
I work near a VA Hospital. I wonder if I could put together something like that tonight. I don't think I could do handmade, but certainly I could come up with something on the computer, head out early before work and drop them off on my way in......
How would one find out how many of our finest are in that hospital and what would be appropriate as basic greeting(s) to add to the cards?
Comment by Will in Chicago on 02/13/2008 14:50:26
Actually, the Republicans broke it in 1994, when Newt Gingrich and others replaced a pre-existing GOP leadership that many in the Republican party saw as two accommodating to the Democrats.
Maybe Feingold or Durbin might be good for the Senate, and there are a lot of good people in the House.
Will in Chicago on 02/13/2008 14:50:26
Quote by shelaghc:Quote by will in chicago: Good morning, bloggers!
This vote is distressing, and I will say it: we need a change in the leadership of the House and Senate. Both Reid and Pelosi have been too accommodating to an administration which views civil liberies as optional and seems more interested in protecting its financial backers than in defending our rights.
The early edition of the UNN Daily Headlines are up.
I agree we need new new leadership, but the way the system is set up, only the people who've been *in* the system for years and years can be the leaders.
It's a vicious cycle and I don't know how we lowly peons can break it.
Actually, the Republicans broke it in 1994, when Newt Gingrich and others replaced a pre-existing GOP leadership that many in the Republican party saw as two accommodating to the Democrats.
Maybe Feingold or Durbin might be good for the Senate, and there are a lot of good people in the House.
Comment by 
Raine on 02/13/2008 14:53:16
Raine on 02/13/2008 14:53:16
I just went and double checked what faye was saying, and yes indeed, I see the FINAL vote AFTER the vote for cloture, yes, both did not vote at all. I am mixed about this. To me the big vote was to allow for the lawsuits, which Obama DID vote yay, where Hillary was a no show.
IT is friggin time to go BACK to the house and tell them NOT to cave in. Good f*cking god.
IT is friggin time to go BACK to the house and tell them NOT to cave in. Good f*cking god.
Comment by Raine on 02/13/2008 14:54:39
Raine on 02/13/2008 14:54:39
Wow. lisa doen't really have a clue about woman World leaders. 
Comment by 
livingonli on 02/13/2008 14:54:55
livingonli on 02/13/2008 14:54:55
Good morning everyone.
We're supposed to get up to 2 inches of rain here today. Too bad I can't move it to the ATL to fill those reservoirs.
We're supposed to get up to 2 inches of rain here today. Too bad I can't move it to the ATL to fill those reservoirs.
Comment by Raine on 02/13/2008 14:55:43
Raine on 02/13/2008 14:55:43
Heya Will! how did the taping go?
Comment by Raine on 02/13/2008 14:56:26
Raine on 02/13/2008 14:56:26
Actually, my apolologies...
GOOD MORNING EVERYONE!
GOOD MORNING EVERYONE!
Comment by m-hadley on 02/13/2008 15:06:01
m-hadley on 02/13/2008 15:06:01
Mornin' Raine ;)
Lisa is a clueless wonder - I got my post finished and up. I guess Momma doesn't realize that Barack flaked out on the final vote either... I am still fuming about that entire thang
Lisa is a clueless wonder - I got my post finished and up. I guess Momma doesn't realize that Barack flaked out on the final vote either... I am still fuming about that entire thang
Comment by Will in Chicago on 02/13/2008 15:07:14
The show was taped last week, and Robin was in and out of the city quick. It was shown on TV yesterday and I will look around for a YouTube video later.
In the meantime, here is something for you, my friend's myspace page:
Robin.
Will in Chicago on 02/13/2008 15:07:14
Quote by Raine: Heya Will! how did the taping go?
The show was taped last week, and Robin was in and out of the city quick. It was shown on TV yesterday and I will look around for a YouTube video later.
In the meantime, here is something for you, my friend's myspace page:
Robin.
Comment by 
starling310 on 02/13/2008 15:07:30
Morning!
I called BBOX yesterday. I said "She isn't my Senator, but I wanted to thank her for her vote today and for never letting me down." The girl who answered said "The Senator will be glad to hear that!"
I
BBOX.
starling310 on 02/13/2008 15:07:30
Quote by Raine: I just went and double checked what faye was saying, and yes indeed, I see the FINAL vote AFTER the vote for cloture, yes, both did not vote at all. I am mixed about this. To me the big vote was to allow for the lawsuits, which Obama DID vote yay, where Hillary was a no show.
IT is friggin time to go BACK to the house and tell them NOT to cave in. Good f*cking god.
Morning!
I called BBOX yesterday. I said "She isn't my Senator, but I wanted to thank her for her vote today and for never letting me down." The girl who answered said "The Senator will be glad to hear that!"
I
BBOX.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 02/13/2008 15:07:52
Will in Chicago on 02/13/2008 15:07:52
Okay, time to shovel snow.
Comment by Raine on 02/13/2008 15:07:56
Not to pick a scab at a huge controversy... But isn't Aretha the Queen of Soul?
Raine on 02/13/2008 15:07:56
Quote by velveeta jones:Quote by BobR: Oh no she di'int!
Aw HELL no!!!!
Comment by livingonli on 02/13/2008 15:09:05
I believe she's been called that.
livingonli on 02/13/2008 15:09:05
Quote by Raine:Not to pick a scab at a huge controversy... But isn't Aretha the Queen of Soul?Quote by velveeta jones:Quote by BobR: Oh no she di'int!
Aw HELL no!!!!
I believe she's been called that.
Comment by Raine on 02/13/2008 15:10:43
Raine on 02/13/2008 15:10:43
:rofl: Thom at a mensa meeting!!!
Comment by livingonli on 02/13/2008 15:11:17
livingonli on 02/13/2008 15:11:17
Do they tell fart jokes at Mensa meetings? 
Comment by Raine on 02/13/2008 15:12:01
Raine on 02/13/2008 15:12:01
I must say, I don't like seeing a lot of Strollers outside of bars.
But a lot of these bars also are restaurant Bars.
But a lot of these bars also are restaurant Bars.
Comment by starling310 on 02/13/2008 15:13:32
starling310 on 02/13/2008 15:13:32
Ugh...I've had to talk to 4 people at work this morning already.
Comment by shelaghc on 02/13/2008 15:14:35
I should call Durbin and thank him since I voted for him and he's my former senator.
shelaghc on 02/13/2008 15:14:35
Quote by starling310:Quote by Raine: I just went and double checked what faye was saying, and yes indeed, I see the FINAL vote AFTER the vote for cloture, yes, both did not vote at all. I am mixed about this. To me the big vote was to allow for the lawsuits, which Obama DID vote yay, where Hillary was a no show.
IT is friggin time to go BACK to the house and tell them NOT to cave in. Good f*cking god.
Morning!
I called BBOX yesterday. I said "She isn't my Senator, but I wanted to thank her for her vote today and for never letting me down." The girl who answered said "The Senator will be glad to hear that!"
I
I should call Durbin and thank him since I voted for him and he's my former senator.
Comment by livingonli on 02/13/2008 15:15:04
livingonli on 02/13/2008 15:15:04
It sounds like is encased in the salt this morning.
is encased in the salt this morning.
Comment by Raine on 02/13/2008 15:17:41
Raine on 02/13/2008 15:17:41
HEre in Goewrgia a lot of restaurants that have bars do not allow ANY children under 16.
IT really is a downer when you have visitors with Kids... Some of the best IRish pubs were therefore out for my family when they came here. No bangers and mash... :(
IT really is a downer when you have visitors with Kids... Some of the best IRish pubs were therefore out for my family when they came here. No bangers and mash... :(
Comment by shelaghc on 02/13/2008 15:19:14
I feel for you. I've already had a doctor get annoyed with me as the messenger of annoying news, fielded about ten calls for situations I don't know anything about and had to shunt around several people while trying to find the doctors they actually wanted to speak with.
This kind of work is frustrating and I don't want to do it anymore.
shelaghc on 02/13/2008 15:19:14
Quote by starling310: Ugh...I've had to talk to 4 people at work this morning already.
I feel for you. I've already had a doctor get annoyed with me as the messenger of annoying news, fielded about ten calls for situations I don't know anything about and had to shunt around several people while trying to find the doctors they actually wanted to speak with.
This kind of work is frustrating and I don't want to do it anymore.
Comment by starling310 on 02/13/2008 15:19:21
Salt, I don't mind. But, people coming to my desk asking me questions first thing in the A.M.?
starling310 on 02/13/2008 15:19:21
Quote by livingonli: It sounds like
Salt, I don't mind. But, people coming to my desk asking me questions first thing in the A.M.?
Comment by 
BobR on 02/13/2008 15:19:41
That's why she was pissed!
BobR on 02/13/2008 15:19:41
Quote by Raine: Not to pick a scab at a huge controversy... But isn't Aretha the Queen of Soul?
That's why she was pissed!
Comment by Raine on 02/13/2008 15:19:59
Raine on 02/13/2008 15:19:59
I still call my formers senators, I mean, seriously, now that I have Isaakson and 
CHAMBLISS... What good does any of it really do?
I mean Saxby Chambliss Wants to date the pResident.
CHAMBLISS... What good does any of it really do? I mean Saxby Chambliss Wants to date the pResident.
Comment by starling310 on 02/13/2008 15:21:08
starling310 on 02/13/2008 15:21:08
Valentine's Day.
Comment by shelaghc on 02/13/2008 15:21:11
shelaghc on 02/13/2008 15:21:11
Quote by starling310:[Morning!
I called BBOX yesterday. I said "She isn't my Senator, but I wanted to thank her for her vote today and for never letting me down." The girl who answered said "The Senator will be glad to hear that!"
I
Why can't BBOX be House Leader instead of Pelosi?
Comment by starling310 on 02/13/2008 15:22:17
starling310 on 02/13/2008 15:22:17
FaceBook has a feature where you can "Super Poke" your friends with all sorts of actions; suckerpunch, hug, etc. One of the actions is "Boycott Valentine's Day with."
Comment by livingonli on 02/13/2008 15:23:57
I can relate to that. Being unattached myself, it can be depressing and right now I can't even afford to date.
livingonli on 02/13/2008 15:23:57
Quote by starling310: Valentine's Day.
I can relate to that. Being unattached myself, it can be depressing and right now I can't even afford to date.
Comment by BobR on 02/13/2008 15:24:24
Any excuse to eat chocolate works for me!
BobR on 02/13/2008 15:24:24
Quote by starling310: Valentine's Day.
Any excuse to eat chocolate works for me!
Comment by livingonli on 02/13/2008 15:24:52
livingonli on 02/13/2008 15:24:52
Quote by shelaghc:Quote by starling310:[Morning!
I called BBOX yesterday. I said "She isn't my Senator, but I wanted to thank her for her vote today and for never letting me down." The girl who answered said "The Senator will be glad to hear that!"
I
Why can't BBOX be House Leader instead of Pelosi?
Because she's a Senator. She or Feingold could replace Reid though.
Comment by m-hadley on 02/13/2008 15:24:57
m-hadley on 02/13/2008 15:24:57
I've had many people in my office this morning and I am trying to prepare a presentation that I am giving later today, plus I am listening to Momma, and answering e-mails - it's getting thick and deep in here... 
Comment by starling310 on 02/13/2008 15:25:25
starling310 on 02/13/2008 15:25:25
Quote by shelaghc:Quote by starling310:[Morning!
I called BBOX yesterday. I said "She isn't my Senator, but I wanted to thank her for her vote today and for never letting me down." The girl who answered said "The Senator will be glad to hear that!"
I
Why can't BBOX be House Leader instead of Pelosi?
Seriously!
I always knew Harry Reid was a spineless wimp, but Nance really let me down BIGTIME!
Comment by shelaghc on 02/13/2008 15:26:14
shelaghc on 02/13/2008 15:26:14
Quote by livingonli:Quote by shelaghc:Quote by starling310:[Morning!
I called BBOX yesterday. I said "She isn't my Senator, but I wanted to thank her for her vote today and for never letting me down." The girl who answered said "The Senator will be glad to hear that!"
I
Why can't BBOX be House Leader instead of Pelosi?
Because she's a Senator. She or Feingold could replace Reid though.
Comment by starling310 on 02/13/2008 15:28:33
starling310 on 02/13/2008 15:28:33
S'ok Shelagh. . .
I think your overall feeling is legitimate. Why can't someone AWESOME replace the same old shit?
I think your overall feeling is legitimate. Why can't someone AWESOME replace the same old shit?
Comment by starling310 on 02/13/2008 15:30:55
starling310 on 02/13/2008 15:30:55
Oh YAY! The STEROID DEBATE IS BACK!!! 
Comment by m-hadley on 02/13/2008 15:30:58
m-hadley on 02/13/2008 15:30:58
Valentine's Day - ugh ;)
I've tried to get my doggies to get it together to do something romantic for their mum, but so far have had no luck - they just look at me and beg for treats
I've tried to get my doggies to get it together to do something romantic for their mum, but so far have had no luck - they just look at me and beg for treats
Comment by shelaghc on 02/13/2008 15:31:05
Speaking of chocolate, there's an open house for a re-furbished department going on right outside my door. One of the goodies they're providing is a *chocolate fountain*!!!!!
shelaghc on 02/13/2008 15:31:05
Quote by BobR:Quote by starling310: Valentine's Day.
Any excuse to eat chocolate works for me!
Speaking of chocolate, there's an open house for a re-furbished department going on right outside my door. One of the goodies they're providing is a *chocolate fountain*!!!!!
Comment by Raine on 02/13/2008 15:31:54
Raine on 02/13/2008 15:31:54
UNO the BEAGLE WON!!!!
Comment by livingonli on 02/13/2008 15:33:01
Snausages. They're just happy to be fed.
livingonli on 02/13/2008 15:33:01
Quote by m-hadley: Valentine's Day - ugh ;)
I've tried to get my doggies to get it together to do something romantic for their mum, but so far have had no luck - they just look at me and beg for treats
Snausages. They're just happy to be fed.
Comment by m-hadley on 02/13/2008 15:33:18
That's how I feel here in Oklahoma with Coburn and Inhofe as the Senators - there is no reasoning with 'em
m-hadley on 02/13/2008 15:33:18
Quote by Raine: I still call my formers senators, I mean, seriously, now that I have Isaakson and
I mean Saxby Chambliss Wants to date the pResident.
That's how I feel here in Oklahoma with Coburn and Inhofe as the Senators - there is no reasoning with 'em
Comment by livingonli on 02/13/2008 15:39:11
And Inhofe has that wonderful assistant who is always on Thom Hartmann arguing that global warming does not exist. 
livingonli on 02/13/2008 15:39:11
Quote by m-hadley:Quote by Raine: I still call my formers senators, I mean, seriously, now that I have Isaakson and
I mean Saxby Chambliss Wants to date the pResident.
That's how I feel here in Oklahoma with Coburn and Inhofe as the Senators - there is no reasoning with 'em
And Inhofe has that wonderful assistant who is always on Thom Hartmann arguing that global warming does not exist.
Comment by shelaghc on 02/13/2008 15:42:53
Yay Uno! You done Snoopy proud!
If only Charles Schulz were still around to see this and write a li'l cartoon to commemorate the occasion.
shelaghc on 02/13/2008 15:42:53
Quote by Raine: UNO the BEAGLE WON!!!!
Yay Uno! You done Snoopy proud!
If only Charles Schulz were still around to see this and write a li'l cartoon to commemorate the occasion.
Comment by starling310 on 02/13/2008 15:49:52
starling310 on 02/13/2008 15:49:52
JUMP AROUND! 
Comment by Raine on 02/13/2008 15:51:59
That song always makes me a little happier... the music rox!
Raine on 02/13/2008 15:51:59
Quote by starling310: JUMP AROUND!
That song always makes me a little happier... the music rox!
Comment by Raine on 02/13/2008 15:52:38
Raine on 02/13/2008 15:52:38
She totally stole that phrase from Ann Richards.
Comment by 
TriSec on 02/13/2008 15:52:42
TriSec on 02/13/2008 15:52:42
Help! I'm a prisoner in a fortune-cookie factory!
Comment by 
wickedpam on 02/13/2008 15:53:58
wickedpam on 02/13/2008 15:53:58
Morning! :hug:
Comment by BobR on 02/13/2008 15:54:20
BobR on 02/13/2008 15:54:20
That "All hat and no Cattle" comment from Hillary was used to describe Bush by former TX governor Ann Richards. Hillary couldn't hold a candle to her.
(She's also the one that said Bush was born with a silver spoon in his mouth, and - I believe - said Bush was born on 3rd base and thought he hit a triple...)
(She's also the one that said Bush was born with a silver spoon in his mouth, and - I believe - said Bush was born on 3rd base and thought he hit a triple...)
Comment by starling310 on 02/13/2008 15:54:22
starling310 on 02/13/2008 15:54:22
One State
Two State
Red State
Blue State
Two State
Red State
Blue State
Comment by Raine on 02/13/2008 15:56:42
Raine on 02/13/2008 15:56:42
Hillary : I'm Tested I'm REady"
Rudy had that slogan as well, by the way... in case anyone remembers.
Rudy had that slogan as well, by the way... in case anyone remembers.
Comment by starling310 on 02/13/2008 15:57:19
starling310 on 02/13/2008 15:57:19
". . .we honor his service to our nation. . ." [ pause ] ". . . But, we're still gonna kick his ass!"
: the crowd goes wild :
FREEBIRD!
: the crowd goes wild :
FREEBIRD!
Comment by livingonli on 02/13/2008 15:57:46
livingonli on 02/13/2008 15:57:46
Good morning Mala.
Comment by livingonli on 02/13/2008 15:59:11
:raises lighter:
livingonli on 02/13/2008 15:59:11
Quote by starling310: ". . .we honor his service to our nation. . ." [ pause ] ". . . But, we're still gonna kick his ass!"
: the crowd goes wild :
FREEBIRD!
:raises lighter:
Comment by wickedpam on 02/13/2008 15:59:23
He still has not asked for my vote.
wickedpam on 02/13/2008 15:59:23
Quote by starling310: ". . .we honor his service to our nation. . ." [ pause ] ". . . But, we're still gonna kick his ass!"
: the crowd goes wild :
FREEBIRD!
He still has not asked for my vote.
Comment by wickedpam on 02/13/2008 15:59:32
wickedpam on 02/13/2008 15:59:32
Hey Liv and everyone
Comment by shelaghc on 02/13/2008 16:00:27
Betcha Rachel will!
shelaghc on 02/13/2008 16:00:27
Quote by Raine: Hillary : I'm Tested I'm REady"
Rudy had that slogan as well, by the way... in case anyone remembers.
Betcha Rachel will!
Comment by TriSec on 02/13/2008 16:01:29
TriSec on 02/13/2008 16:01:29
Principal Financial Group: On hold 5+ minutes on a frickin' eligibility check.
Comment by BobR on 02/13/2008 16:04:15
That's who I have my dental insurance with. Nice to know... :rolleyes2:
BobR on 02/13/2008 16:04:15
Quote by TriSec: Principal Financial Group: On hold 5+ minutes on a frickin' eligibility check.
That's who I have my dental insurance with. Nice to know... :rolleyes2:
Comment by shelaghc on 02/13/2008 16:04:22
shelaghc on 02/13/2008 16:04:22
Hey, I just remembered - John Stewart is hosting the Oscars again this year. And the strike is over!
Woohoo!
John and his buds better get down to some serious silly writing ASAP!
Woohoo!
John and his buds better get down to some serious silly writing ASAP!
Comment by Raine on 02/13/2008 16:06:44
Uno Also gets a ribbon from me... That pooch is too cute! Look at those ears!
Raine on 02/13/2008 16:06:44
Comment by m-hadley on 02/13/2008 16:08:37
Liv,
Yeah, that is one of Inhofe's missions in life is to prove that Global Warming is a hoax - that and also prove that his family has no "homosexuals" in it - ugh...what a piece of jerk (I'm just waiting for cousin Lance to come flouncing out of the closet and slap Uncle Jimbo silly).
m-hadley on 02/13/2008 16:08:37
Quote by livingonli:Quote by m-hadley:Quote by Raine: I still call my formers senators, I mean, seriously, now that I have Isaakson and
I mean Saxby Chambliss Wants to date the pResident.
That's how I feel here in Oklahoma with Coburn and Inhofe as the Senators - there is no reasoning with 'em
And Inhofe has that wonderful assistant who is always on Thom Hartmann arguing that global warming does not exist.
Liv,
Yeah, that is one of Inhofe's missions in life is to prove that Global Warming is a hoax - that and also prove that his family has no "homosexuals" in it - ugh...what a piece of jerk (I'm just waiting for cousin Lance to come flouncing out of the closet and slap Uncle Jimbo silly).
Comment by starling310 on 02/13/2008 16:09:44
starling310 on 02/13/2008 16:09:44
Thanks Raine. 
: worrying :
: worrying :
Comment by Will in Chicago on 02/13/2008 16:10:00
Will in Chicago on 02/13/2008 16:10:00
Back from shovelling. I will have to catch up on the interview with Frank Rich.
Comment by Raine on 02/13/2008 16:11:16
:hug:
Raine on 02/13/2008 16:11:16
Quote by starling310: Thanks Raine.
: worrying :
:hug:
Comment by starling310 on 02/13/2008 16:14:00
starling310 on 02/13/2008 16:14:00
I have a Skull and Crossbones drawn on my desk calendar in the 14th box.
Comment by starling310 on 02/13/2008 16:14:29
starling310 on 02/13/2008 16:14:29
Screw Alanis!
Rage Against the Machine!
Rage Against the Machine!
Comment by wickedpam on 02/13/2008 16:14:39
wickedpam on 02/13/2008 16:14:39
yeah - my eye starts to twich.....
Comment by BobR on 02/13/2008 16:15:05
BobR on 02/13/2008 16:15:05
Quote by Raine:Uno Also gets a ribbon from me... That pooch is too cute! Look at those ears!
Comment by TriSec on 02/13/2008 16:15:12
TriSec on 02/13/2008 16:15:12
And now I'm getting the feeling that every payor I've had to call today is just dumping me into a dead-end loop with smooth jazz playing on the HOLD setting...
Comment by BobR on 02/13/2008 16:17:22
BobR on 02/13/2008 16:17:22
Comment by starling310 on 02/13/2008 16:17:26
starling310 on 02/13/2008 16:17:26
Barack's funny is definitely in the cadence and the hand movements. . . which is lost on Radio.
Good first attempt Jim!
Good first attempt Jim!
Comment by starling310 on 02/13/2008 16:18:26
starling310 on 02/13/2008 16:18:26
My Magic 8 Ball is giving me good answers today! 
Comment by Will in Chicago on 02/13/2008 16:19:02
Will in Chicago on 02/13/2008 16:19:02
Uno is adorable.
Maybe we can get him to run a rescue mission to liberate Barney and the other White House pets from George W. Bush.
Maybe we can get him to run a rescue mission to liberate Barney and the other White House pets from George W. Bush.
Comment by Raine on 02/13/2008 16:19:54
you need to treat yourself to a valentine... 
Raine on 02/13/2008 16:19:54
Quote by starling310: I have a Skull and Crossbones drawn on my desk calendar in the 14th box.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 02/13/2008 16:21:25
Will in Chicago on 02/13/2008 16:21:25
Someone married Gary Coleman? Whatcha talking about, Momma!?
Sorry, I could not resist.
Sorry, I could not resist.
Comment by starling310 on 02/13/2008 16:21:31
starling310 on 02/13/2008 16:21:31
Quote by Raine:you need to treat yourself to a valentine...Quote by starling310: I have a Skull and Crossbones drawn on my desk calendar in the 14th box.
Comment by Raine on 02/13/2008 16:21:52
Poor Barney and Miss Beasley... Won't someone think of the Puppies!?!?! 
Raine on 02/13/2008 16:21:52
Quote by will in chicago: Uno is adorable.
Maybe we can get him to run a rescue mission to liberate Barney and the other White House pets from George W. Bush.
Comment by Raine on 02/13/2008 16:23:45
Arighty then... : steps back gingerly :
I mean you don't have to... you could just get pissed drunk!
Raine on 02/13/2008 16:23:45
Quote by starling310:Quote by Raine:you need to treat yourself to a valentine...Quote by starling310: I have a Skull and Crossbones drawn on my desk calendar in the 14th box.
I mean you don't have to... you could just get pissed drunk!
Comment by starling310 on 02/13/2008 16:25:22
Seriously! George Bush shouldn't be allowed to have pets.
starling310 on 02/13/2008 16:25:22
Quote by Raine:Poor Barney and Miss Beasley... Won't someone think of the Puppies!?!?!Quote by will in chicago: Uno is adorable.
Maybe we can get him to run a rescue mission to liberate Barney and the other White House pets from George W. Bush.
Seriously! George Bush shouldn't be allowed to have pets.
Comment by BobR on 02/13/2008 16:25:36
BobR on 02/13/2008 16:25:36
ok - just one more (I swear!)
Comment by shelaghc on 02/13/2008 16:26:08
shelaghc on 02/13/2008 16:26:08
btw, I posted this at omigod in the morning yesterday/today.
Any opinions/thoughts/recommendations?
Any opinions/thoughts/recommendations?
Quote by shelaghc: I think I may have found a nice bar for my apartment.
What does anyone else think of this that I found on Craig's list?
Comment by shelaghc on 02/13/2008 16:26:30
I think I'm in love.......
shelaghc on 02/13/2008 16:26:30
Quote by BobR: ok - just one more (I swear!)
I think I'm in love.......
Comment by Raine on 02/13/2008 16:27:40
That is beautiful! $175 Dollars?!?! that is a great deal!
Raine on 02/13/2008 16:27:40
Quote by shelaghc: btw, I posted this at omigod in the morning yesterday/today.
Any opinions/thoughts/recommendations?Quote by shelaghc: I think I may have found a nice bar for my apartment.
What does anyone else think of this that I found on Craig's list?
Comment by BobR on 02/13/2008 16:28:05
It's beautiful! get it NOW before it slips away!
BobR on 02/13/2008 16:28:05
Quote by shelaghc: btw, I posted this at omigod in the morning yesterday/today.
Any opinions/thoughts/recommendations?
It's beautiful! get it NOW before it slips away!
Comment by Will in Chicago on 02/13/2008 16:28:07
Considering that George W. Bush by his own admission blew up frogs as a child, I would be worried.
Mind you, maybe we could have Uno and Hugo Chavez mount a rescue mission.
Will in Chicago on 02/13/2008 16:28:07
Quote by starling310:Quote by Raine:Poor Barney and Miss Beasley... Won't someone think of the Puppies!?!?!Quote by will in chicago: Uno is adorable.
Maybe we can get him to run a rescue mission to liberate Barney and the other White House pets from George W. Bush.
Seriously! George Bush shouldn't be allowed to have pets.
Considering that George W. Bush by his own admission blew up frogs as a child, I would be worried.
Mind you, maybe we could have Uno and Hugo Chavez mount a rescue mission.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 02/13/2008 16:29:41
Will in Chicago on 02/13/2008 16:29:41
How can you tell McCain from the fossils?
The fossils are not spouting nonsense.
The fossils are not spouting nonsense.
Comment by starling310 on 02/13/2008 16:35:59
starling310 on 02/13/2008 16:35:59
We need to invite Kevin to the meet up so I can smack him.
Comment by shelaghc on 02/13/2008 16:36:43
It's been on the list for a couple of weeks now actually. But I'm going to contact the seller shortly. I just need a way to get it home!
shelaghc on 02/13/2008 16:36:43
Quote by BobR:Quote by shelaghc: btw, I posted this at omigod in the morning yesterday/today.
Any opinions/thoughts/recommendations?
It's beautiful! get it NOW before it slips away!
It's been on the list for a couple of weeks now actually. But I'm going to contact the seller shortly. I just need a way to get it home!
Comment by Raine on 02/13/2008 16:37:19
Raine on 02/13/2008 16:37:19
Quote by will in chicago: How can you tell McCain from the fossils?
The fossils are not spouting nonsense.
Comment by Raine on 02/13/2008 16:39:49
Raine on 02/13/2008 16:39:49
:shocked: OK, that is a little creepy.
Comment by wickedpam on 02/13/2008 16:42:40
wickedpam on 02/13/2008 16:42:40
YOu don't pull the mask of the ole Lone Ranger
Comment by Will in Chicago on 02/13/2008 16:42:54
Thank you! I will be performing all week.
Now what Jeff Gannon will be performing all week and where, I cannot comment on. However, I here his profession is almost as old as John McCain. (Hey, McCain can't help it that he had a wooly mammoth as a pet. They were fresh out of hyenadons for his tribe.)
Will in Chicago on 02/13/2008 16:42:54
Quote by Raine:Quote by will in chicago: How can you tell McCain from the fossils?
The fossils are not spouting nonsense.
Thank you! I will be performing all week.
Now what Jeff Gannon will be performing all week and where, I cannot comment on. However, I here his profession is almost as old as John McCain. (Hey, McCain can't help it that he had a wooly mammoth as a pet. They were fresh out of hyenadons for his tribe.)
Comment by shelaghc on 02/13/2008 16:48:29
shelaghc on 02/13/2008 16:48:29
Everytime I hear that song I think of Fahrenheit 9/11.
Comment by wickedpam on 02/13/2008 16:49:16
wickedpam on 02/13/2008 16:49:16
Hey anyone beside me watch Jericho?
Comment by starling310 on 02/13/2008 16:49:38
"Shiny, Happy People?"
starling310 on 02/13/2008 16:49:38
Quote by shelaghc: Everytime I hear that song I think of Fahrenheit 9/11.
"Shiny, Happy People?"
Comment by starling310 on 02/13/2008 16:50:03
starling310 on 02/13/2008 16:50:03
John "Zimmer Frame" McCain!
Comment by Raine on 02/13/2008 16:51:30
Raine on 02/13/2008 16:51:30
Compare and Contrast:
Comment by Will in Chicago on 02/13/2008 16:51:58
Maybe for McCain we can get a version renamed "Grumpy, Wrinkled Fossils?"
Will in Chicago on 02/13/2008 16:51:58
Quote by starling310:Quote by shelaghc: Everytime I hear that song I think of Fahrenheit 9/11.
"Shiny, Happy People?"
Maybe for McCain we can get a version renamed "Grumpy, Wrinkled Fossils?"
Comment by livingonli on 02/13/2008 16:53:14
That alone would make the trip worthwhile.
livingonli on 02/13/2008 16:53:14
Quote by starling310: We need to invite Kevin to the meet up so I can smack him.
That alone would make the trip worthwhile.
Comment by Raine on 02/13/2008 16:54:38
Raine on 02/13/2008 16:54:38
I am sorry, and maybe I am being ageist, but McCain worries me with the age... and the cancer and the flaven.
Comment by starling310 on 02/13/2008 16:56:00
starling310 on 02/13/2008 16:56:00
Which leg tingles Chris?
Comment by wickedpam on 02/13/2008 16:57:28
wickedpam on 02/13/2008 16:57:28
Momma for Obama isn't endorsing someone :scratchhead:
Comment by livingonli on 02/13/2008 16:57:45
And who will be his running mate? Lieberweasel? Graham? Ghouiliani?
If God forbid he were to win, Canada starts to look really good.
livingonli on 02/13/2008 16:57:45
Quote by Raine: I am sorry, and maybe I am being ageist, but McCain worries me with the age... and the cancer and the flaven.
And who will be his running mate? Lieberweasel? Graham? Ghouiliani?
If God forbid he were to win, Canada starts to look really good.
Comment by Raine on 02/13/2008 16:58:26
Raine on 02/13/2008 16:58:26
well perhaps the clintons might help themselves by preventing all these negative things from happening around thier campaign, NO? Rendell should not have said that.
HE really should have known better.
HE really should have known better.
Comment by wickedpam on 02/13/2008 16:58:34
The man is only 2 years younger then my grandfather who died at 72.
wickedpam on 02/13/2008 16:58:34
Quote by Raine: I am sorry, and maybe I am being ageist, but McCain worries me with the age... and the cancer and the flaven.
The man is only 2 years younger then my grandfather who died at 72.
Comment by livingonli on 02/13/2008 17:00:35
livingonli on 02/13/2008 17:00:35
Even CNNI is covering the steroid hearings. 
Comment by shelaghc on 02/13/2008 17:02:35
There's a scene with Bush and Bush Sr. walking and holding hands with Saudi Arabian rich people. And it's underscored with "Shiny Happy People."
shelaghc on 02/13/2008 17:02:35
Quote by starling310:Quote by shelaghc: Everytime I hear that song I think of Fahrenheit 9/11.
"Shiny, Happy People?"
There's a scene with Bush and Bush Sr. walking and holding hands with Saudi Arabian rich people. And it's underscored with "Shiny Happy People."
Comment by shelaghc on 02/13/2008 17:04:44
Rachel was speculating last night that it might be Jeb.
shelaghc on 02/13/2008 17:04:44
Quote by livingonli:Quote by Raine: I am sorry, and maybe I am being ageist, but McCain worries me with the age... and the cancer and the flaven.
And who will be his running mate? Lieberweasel? Graham? Ghouiliani?
If God forbid he were to win, Canada starts to look really good.
Rachel was speculating last night that it might be Jeb.
Comment by starling310 on 02/13/2008 17:11:57
Ah! Yes! Star apologizes. . . I thought you meant 9/11. I missed the Farenheit part.
starling310 on 02/13/2008 17:11:57
Quote by shelaghc:Quote by starling310:Quote by shelaghc: Everytime I hear that song I think of Fahrenheit 9/11.
"Shiny, Happy People?"
There's a scene with Bush and Bush Sr. walking and holding hands with Saudi Arabian rich people. And it's underscored with "Shiny Happy People."
Ah! Yes! Star apologizes. . . I thought you meant 9/11. I missed the Farenheit part.
Comment by livingonli on 02/13/2008 17:22:07
:puke: Does he really think putting another Bush on the ballot is going to help him?
livingonli on 02/13/2008 17:22:07
Quote by shelaghc:Quote by livingonli:Quote by Raine: I am sorry, and maybe I am being ageist, but McCain worries me with the age... and the cancer and the flaven.
And who will be his running mate? Lieberweasel? Graham? Ghouiliani?
If God forbid he were to win, Canada starts to look really good.
Rachel was speculating last night that it might be Jeb.
:puke: Does he really think putting another Bush on the ballot is going to help him?
Comment by Raine on 02/13/2008 17:38:26
Raine on 02/13/2008 17:38:26
:grumble: My internet connections is REALLY slow today...
Bombast must be monitoring me again...
Comment by Raine on 02/13/2008 17:39:48
Raine on 02/13/2008 17:39:48
JEB BUSH?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Goo dGod, then the odds are we WILL have another Bush president.
Comment by livingonli on 02/13/2008 17:41:03
livingonli on 02/13/2008 17:41:03
Too bad Raine can't get another cable company. AT&T has launched their service in Atlanta, but we all know how they are about respecting our privacy.
Raine, do you miss having the Dish?
Raine, do you miss having the Dish?
Comment by velveeta jones on 02/13/2008 18:44:31
velveeta jones on 02/13/2008 18:44:31
Good afternoon.
Its trying to snow here and windy as hell.
I'm settling in by the fire and drinking coffee -- "regular" for my New Yawker friends.
Its trying to snow here and windy as hell.
I'm settling in by the fire and drinking coffee -- "regular" for my New Yawker friends.
Comment by velveeta jones on 02/13/2008 18:48:47
Hey, sorry I missed this -- she simply called the VA and asked how many beds they had and was told 236 beds. She made extra's for any outpatients that will be hanging around.
velveeta jones on 02/13/2008 18:48:47
Quote by shelaghc:Quote by velveeta jones: Anyway, yesterday my darling wife decided that our local Vetrans needed valentine's day cards, so she sat down and made 250 handmade cards to deliver to the troops. What a (crazy) woman!!!! She has arthritis fer cryin' out loud.
But I applaud her. Next year................we'll be asking for ya'lls help.
VJ, your wife is a gem.
I work near a VA Hospital. I wonder if I could put together something like that tonight. I don't think I could do handmade, but certainly I could come up with something on the computer, head out early before work and drop them off on my way in......
How would one find out how many of our finest are in that hospital and what would be appropriate as basic greeting(s) to add to the cards?
Hey, sorry I missed this -- she simply called the VA and asked how many beds they had and was told 236 beds. She made extra's for any outpatients that will be hanging around.
Comment by livingonli on 02/13/2008 18:53:49
livingonli on 02/13/2008 18:53:49
What weird weather here. Yesterday, it was in the 20's and snowing and now it's in the 50's and pouring.
Comment by starling310 on 02/13/2008 18:58:35
Same her Liv. Major Depress weather. Oy!
starling310 on 02/13/2008 18:58:35
Quote by livingonli: What weird weather here. Yesterday, it was in the 20's and snowing and now it's in the 50's and pouring.
Same her Liv. Major Depress weather. Oy!
Comment by starling310 on 02/13/2008 18:58:53
starling310 on 02/13/2008 18:58:53
The sun was out for about 20 minutes in the past 2 weeks.
Comment by Raine on 02/13/2008 19:03:17
We took the rent-a-pups out for a walk... and it was flurrying here. BRRR" windy as all get out as well.
Raine on 02/13/2008 19:03:17
Quote by velveeta jones: Good afternoon. Its trying to snow here and windy as hell. I'm settling in by the fire and drinking coffee -- "regular" for my New Yawker friends.
Comment by livingonli on 02/13/2008 19:03:40
It's supposed to be out tomorrow. At least it's on my day off so I can enjoy it.
livingonli on 02/13/2008 19:03:40
Quote by starling310: The sun was out for about 20 minutes in the past 2 weeks.
It's supposed to be out tomorrow. At least it's on my day off so I can enjoy it.
Comment by velveeta jones on 02/13/2008 19:12:24
velveeta jones on 02/13/2008 19:12:24
Snowing like crazy here. And I'm off to go deliver the cards to the VA hospital. Wish me Godspeed...................
Comment by livingonli on 02/13/2008 19:22:59
livingonli on 02/13/2008 19:22:59
Have a safe trip, VJ.
Comment by BobR on 02/13/2008 20:07:23
BobR on 02/13/2008 20:07:23
SOAW (School of the Americas Watch) is hiring.
If you live in the DC area, there's a job you can feel good about.
If you live in the DC area, there's a job you can feel good about.
Comment by livingonli on 02/13/2008 20:30:07
livingonli on 02/13/2008 20:30:07
Now that the writers strike is over, will it be safe to watch The Daily Show and Colbert Report again?
Hopefully that will cut down on the number of right-wing tools as guests.
Hopefully that will cut down on the number of right-wing tools as guests.
Comment by livingonli on 02/13/2008 20:31:27
livingonli on 02/13/2008 20:31:27
Time to get my butt going. I have a 5-1 tape op. shift tonight.
See y'all in the funny papers.
See y'all in the funny papers.
Comment by Raine on 02/13/2008 20:37:55
Raine on 02/13/2008 20:37:55
WOW. IF anyone is listening to Randi, they are talking seriously that Hillary is nearlly mathematically out of the race right now.
Comment by Raine on 02/13/2008 20:54:26
Raine on 02/13/2008 20:54:26
CUL8R LIV!
Comment by Raine on 02/13/2008 21:01:08
Bill Gates Last Day at MicroSoft.
Raine on 02/13/2008 21:01:08
Comment by Will in Chicago on 02/13/2008 21:06:35
I was amazed when I heard this on MSNBC.
Hillary Clinton would have to move Heaven, Hell, and Earth to get the nomination, based on what Brent Budowsky has said. If she tries to use the superdelegates to counter the popular vote, she may end up splitting the party. (I suspect the superdelegates want a win.)
So, if Obama does pull this off, it will be a campaign win of historic proportions. Clinton was long viewed as the inevitable winner. Perhaps we should remember that nothing is inevitable in politics in a democracy.
Okay, so if Obama does get the nomination, who do you think he should pick for Vice President?
Will in Chicago on 02/13/2008 21:06:35
Quote by Raine: WOW. IF anyone is listening to Randi, they are talking seriously that Hillary is nearlly mathematically out of the race right now.
I was amazed when I heard this on MSNBC.
Hillary Clinton would have to move Heaven, Hell, and Earth to get the nomination, based on what Brent Budowsky has said. If she tries to use the superdelegates to counter the popular vote, she may end up splitting the party. (I suspect the superdelegates want a win.)
So, if Obama does pull this off, it will be a campaign win of historic proportions. Clinton was long viewed as the inevitable winner. Perhaps we should remember that nothing is inevitable in politics in a democracy.
Okay, so if Obama does get the nomination, who do you think he should pick for Vice President?
Comment by Raine on 02/13/2008 21:22:08
Raine on 02/13/2008 21:22:08
Man, will, I am ALMOST too nervous to think about a VP.
I have always thought that I didn't want to lose any of our already elected Senators, but at the very least we will be losing one. So that is why I don't think I would really want HIllary or Obama as VP. (depending on which candidate get's the nomination)
I think that Bill richardson might make a great choice, altho, I think everyone here knows that my dream ticket would have Edwards on it... BUT... then again I am torn about him also as an A/G.
Some are saying that Colin Powell is vying for that spot... which I am totally against.
There is always Wesley Clark.
Comment by TriSec on 02/13/2008 21:29:07
TriSec on 02/13/2008 21:29:07
Ooh! Wesley Clark! :wub:
Bill Richardson would make a fine Secretary of State...and of course, Mr. Edwards in the AG's office...
Bill Richardson would make a fine Secretary of State...and of course, Mr. Edwards in the AG's office...
Comment by BobR on 02/13/2008 21:47:18
I say Wesley Clark for Sec. of Def...
BobR on 02/13/2008 21:47:18
Quote by TriSec: Ooh! Wesley Clark! :wub:
Bill Richardson would make a fine Secretary of State...and of course, Mr. Edwards in the AG's office...
I say Wesley Clark for Sec. of Def...
Comment by Raine on 02/13/2008 22:04:23
Raine on 02/13/2008 22:04:23
OOOHH... What about John Dean somewhere in the new cabinet?
Comment by Raine on 02/13/2008 22:16:39
Raine on 02/13/2008 22:16:39
Randi talking about the Mich and Florida Primaries, I really do not like what Clinton in doing. And I have felt ALL along that this was the chance that Florida AND Michigan would be taking.
Those states were TOLD in advance what would happen. As far as people being disenfranchised, I am left to wondering where was the outcry when all of this was happening?
Either hold caucuses or revote, but Hillary does not deserve these primary wins. She doesn't.
AND as soon as possible, the DNC needs to get it's shit together regarding these primaries, They were too fucking early to begin with. The STATES did this.
And hillary is capitalizing off of it unfairly.
Those states were TOLD in advance what would happen. As far as people being disenfranchised, I am left to wondering where was the outcry when all of this was happening?
Either hold caucuses or revote, but Hillary does not deserve these primary wins. She doesn't.
AND as soon as possible, the DNC needs to get it's shit together regarding these primaries, They were too fucking early to begin with. The STATES did this.
And hillary is capitalizing off of it unfairly.
Comment by velveeta jones on 02/13/2008 22:19:26
This is quite ...................bizarre.
velveeta jones on 02/13/2008 22:19:26
Quote by Raine:Bill Gates Last Day at MicroSoft.
This is quite ...................bizarre.
Comment by livingonli on 02/13/2008 22:34:35
livingonli on 02/13/2008 22:34:35
The strange thing is today is my Friday.
Comment by livingonli on 02/13/2008 22:38:30
livingonli on 02/13/2008 22:38:30
Comcast defends role as internet traffic cop.
As far as I can tell, Cablevision doesn't do it which would be one thing right for them.
As far as I can tell, Cablevision doesn't do it which would be one thing right for them.
Comment by livingonli on 02/13/2008 22:44:09
livingonli on 02/13/2008 22:44:09
Knicks are playing the Celtics in Boston tonight. How badly will the Knicks lose?
Grumpymann
Comment by Raine on 02/13/2008 23:13:45
Raine on 02/13/2008 23:13:45
Comment by Raine on 02/13/2008 23:15:24
Raine on 02/13/2008 23:15:24
Does anyone have a number to that bill, so I can check up the roll call on it?!?!
Comment by Raine on 02/13/2008 23:26:52
Raine on 02/13/2008 23:26:52
Oh mah gawd, Grump.. you blew my mind today... The man who was tortured for 5 years, the man who said waterboarding is torture just voted to say we should be able to waterboard?
HEre is the Roll call.
What a hypocrite. If this is what he thinks will get him those conservatives, he just blew it big time, because it was the independents that he MAY have gotten, and he just lost those.
The biggest Issue I am seeing from the cons is that they do not trust mcCain when he says soemthing, and he just proved himself to be a maverick flip-flopper once again.
First he was against torture, now he is for it, HE was against Bush's tax cuts now he is for them. HE was for campaign finance reform, now he isn't.
HEre is the Roll call.
What a hypocrite. If this is what he thinks will get him those conservatives, he just blew it big time, because it was the independents that he MAY have gotten, and he just lost those.
The biggest Issue I am seeing from the cons is that they do not trust mcCain when he says soemthing, and he just proved himself to be a maverick flip-flopper once again.
First he was against torture, now he is for it, HE was against Bush's tax cuts now he is for them. HE was for campaign finance reform, now he isn't.
Comment by Raine on 02/13/2008 23:29:01
Raine on 02/13/2008 23:29:01
Rach just mentioned Jeb Bush as a possible VP choice for McCain as well... :shudder:
Comment by Raine on 02/13/2008 23:31:25
Raine on 02/13/2008 23:31:25
BTW, I Read somewhere around the internets that Hillary has decided to participate in the MSNBC debate... because it would otherwise be unfair to the people of ohio if she were to deny them...
I am just happy she came to her senses.
I am just happy she came to her senses.
Comment by livingonli on 02/13/2008 23:47:13
If McCain/Bush steal the election, I am moving to Canada.
livingonli on 02/13/2008 23:47:13
Quote by Raine: Rach just mentioned Jeb Bush as a possible VP choice for McCain as well... :shudder:
If McCain/Bush steal the election, I am moving to Canada.
Comment by TriSec on 02/14/2008 01:50:50
TriSec on 02/14/2008 01:50:50
Comment by livingonli on 02/14/2008 02:15:30
livingonli on 02/14/2008 02:15:30
Poor Tri. Aren't you watching the Celtics slaughter the Knicks. Even with the Celtics best players injured, the Knicks are still down by over 20 points.
Comment by velveeta jones on 02/14/2008 02:34:44
velveeta jones on 02/14/2008 02:34:44
AAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGH!! I just sat through Dan Abrams after KO.
What an ASS.
This is my new pet peeve and I am CALLING PEOPLE ON IT!
Went to dan.abrams.msnbc.com and left this message:
What an ASS.
This is my new pet peeve and I am CALLING PEOPLE ON IT!
Went to dan.abrams.msnbc.com and left this message:
Dan! What is wrong with you? Do you not hear Kate Obenshain say "democrat" party? Do you NOT know that that is BAD and INCORRECT GRAMMAR? Why do you let her insult you and your program? Maybe you don't know better either? Maybe I better watch someone who is either smarter or has BALLS.
Comment by livingonli on 02/14/2008 02:39:11
livingonli on 02/14/2008 02:39:11
Isiah Thomas was ejected from the game. 
Comment by 
Mondobubba on 02/14/2008 02:44:51
:Sideshow Bob shudder/grimmice: Ahhhhgggghhhhhh
Mondobubba on 02/14/2008 02:44:51
Quote by Raine: Rach just mentioned Jeb Bush as a possible VP choice for McCain as well... :shudder:
:Sideshow Bob shudder/grimmice: Ahhhhgggghhhhhh
Comment by livingonli on 02/14/2008 02:48:05
Where's the primal scream audiocon when you need one?
livingonli on 02/14/2008 02:48:05
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine: Rach just mentioned Jeb Bush as a possible VP choice for McCain as well... :shudder:
:Sideshow Bob shudder/grimmice: Ahhhhgggghhhhhh
Where's the primal scream audiocon when you need one?
Comment by BobR on 02/14/2008 03:09:48
We have the Wilhelm:
BobR on 02/14/2008 03:09:48
Quote by livingonli:
Where's the primal scream audiocon when you need one?
We have the Wilhelm:
Comment by Mondobubba on 02/14/2008 04:10:12
Mondobubba on 02/14/2008 04:10:12
Watching THE Daily Show. God I'm glad the writers strike is ovah! :rofl: