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Steroids? How about rape?
Author: Raine    Date: 02/14/2008 13:56:05

It isn't as fun to talk to woman about thier sexual assaults as it is to talk to a Famous baseball player, but tough shit. It is high time Congress does something about this issue. Woman make up more than half of our population and deserve better treatment than they are getting
Limbo for Woman Reporting Assualts in Iraq
Mary Beth Kineston, an Ohio resident who went to Iraq to drive trucks, thought she had endured the worst when her supply convoy was ambushed in April 2004. After car bombs exploded and insurgents began firing on the road between Baghdad and Balad, she and other military contractors were saved only when Army Black Hawk helicopters arrived.

But not long after the ambush, Ms. Kineston said, she was sexually assaulted by another driver, who remained on the job, at least temporarily, even after she reported the episode to KBR, the military contractor that employed the drivers. Later, she said she was groped by a second KBR worker. After complaining to the company about the threats and harassments endured by female employees in Iraq, she was fired.

“I felt safer on the convoys with the Army than I ever did working for KBR,” said Ms. Kineston, who won a modest arbitration award against KBR. “At least if you got in trouble on a convoy, you could radio the Army and they would come and help you out. But when I complained to KBR, they didn’t do anything. I still have nightmares. They changed my life forever, and they got away with it.”

Ms. Kineston is among a number of American women who have reported that they were sexually assaulted by co-workers while working as contractors in Iraq but now find themselves in legal limbo, unable to seek justice or even significant compensation.
[...]
The Criminal Investigation Command of the Army has reported that it investigated 124 cases of sexual assault in Iraq over the last three years. Those figures, provided to Senator Bill Nelson, the Florida Democrat who has taken the lead in the Senate on the issue, include cases involving both contractors and military personnel, but do not include cases involving contractors or soldiers investigated by other branches of the military.
[...]
Linda Lindsey, of Houston, who worked for KBR in Iraq from 2004 until early 2007, said that she often saw evidence of sexual harassment or discrimination, and that male supervisors often tried to force female employees to grant sexual favors in exchange for promotions or other benefits.
[..]
Pamela Jones, of Texas, a KBR logistics coordinator in Kuwait in 2003 and 2004, was sexually assaulted by a supervisor.
124 cases that do NOT include what is going on with private contractors. And NOTHING is being done. Arbitration is just not acceptable. People should be going to jail for these actions. JAIL. This is criminal and KBR is allowing it to be treated as a civil situation. Since when does a company get to decide what AMERICAN LAW IS?

You'll recall last week I spoke of KBR, Jamie Leigh Jones and a few other very brave women. I said that there are indeed more woman out there with stories like thiers. They are starting to speak out.
“Victims of crime perpetrated by employees of taxpayer-funded government contracts in Iraq deserve the same standard of treatment and protection governed by the same laws whether they are working in the U.S. or abroad,” she said.
Why is that so hard for KBR and the ENTIRE government to comprehend?

The next question is, what will the administration and congress do? While the president is spending all of his time trying to make sure Americans stay in fear, and the house and the senate are STILL fighting over the definition of Torture and what kind of spying should be allowed on american citizens, what are they doing about the fact that we have a company that punishes woman for speaking out about sexual assault?

Sexual assault, rape, sodomy --- these things are terroristic. MAke no mistake about it. It has been used for thousands of years to repress people. KBR uses it to keep woman quiet. I fear that nothing will be done until we have a woman turn up dead, if we have not already. More than 1000 contractors have been killed in Iraq. It just makes me wonder, how many could have been covered up, considering little or nothing is being done to investigate these woman's very serious claims.

TOO many stories have risen to the surface to assume these are just a few isolated incididents. Something must be done.

Instead of having 5 hour hearing on the Hill to talk to a washed up baseball player about steroids --- who already has millions of dollars in his bank account, perhaps congress could open up some serious hearings about how we are allowing for the terrorizing of our own citizens in the name of "The War on Terra™" in a very pathological, consistent, specific way...

It's disgusting.

:peace: and :heart:
Raine

 

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Comment by velveeta jones on 02/14/2008 13:58:57
Hmmmmm, someone celebrated Valentines day early?



I'll entertain with this classic valentine poem:



THE PERFECT MAN



The perfect man is gentle

Never cruel or mean

He has a beautiful smile

And keeps his face so clean.



The perfect man likes children

And will raise them by your side

He will be a good father

As well as a good husband to his bride.



The perfect man loves cooking

Cleaning and vacuuming too

He'll do anything in his power

To convey his feelings of love to you.



The perfect man is sweet

Writing poetry from your name

He's a best friend to your mother

And kisses away your pain.



He never has made you cry

Or hurt you in any way

Oh, forget this stupid poem



"

"

"



The perfect man is gay!!!!









Comment by Will in Chicago on 02/14/2008 14:02:28
FIRST!!!



Happy Valentine's Day, bloggers!!!



The early edition of the UNN Daily Headlines are up.



Here is a story that should outrage everyone:

Toxic fumes force Katrina, Rita victims from trailers



That is right, the trailers have an average of five times the formaldehyde exposure that most people have in modern homes - and over fifty times in some cases.

Comment by Will in Chicago on 02/14/2008 14:02:55
Okay, second.



Comment by Grumpymann on 02/14/2008 14:04:37
1900 N FORT MYER DRIVE

Comment by Raine on 02/14/2008 14:10:57
Good morning!

Comment by Raine on 02/14/2008 14:12:09
NEW bloggie is up.



It is a followup from LAst week.

Comment by Raine on 02/14/2008 14:15:19
McCain looks like he is out flipping Romney.

Comment by Raine on 02/14/2008 14:19:23


Comment by Raine on 02/14/2008 14:22:04
Quote by velveeta jones: Hmmmmm, someone celebrated Valentines day early?



I'll entertain with this classic valentine poem:



THE PERFECT MAN



The perfect man is gentle

Never cruel or mean

He has a beautiful smile

And keeps his face so clean.



The perfect man likes children

And will raise them by your side

He will be a good father

As well as a good husband to his bride.



The perfect man loves cooking

Cleaning and vacuuming too

He'll do anything in his power

To convey his feelings of love to you.



The perfect man is sweet

Writing poetry from your name

He's a best friend to your mother

And kisses away your pain.



He never has made you cry

Or hurt you in any way

Oh, forget this stupid poem



"

"

"



The perfect man is gay!!!!







I that I can adtually day that onThursays, ms. Jones is the warm up act!! :rofl:



(And no, we don't really celebrate V-D... )



We usually just do nice romantic things for each other all year long.. mush less pressure and a lot less expensive...





Comment by Grumpymann on 02/14/2008 14:23:33
Quote by Raine:




Comment by Raine on 02/14/2008 14:25:18
Gypsies should be equally offended...

Comment by Grumpymann on 02/14/2008 14:25:53
Quote by Raine:
Quote by velveeta jones: Hmmmmm, someone celebrated Valentines day early?



I'll entertain with this classic valentine poem:



THE PERFECT MAN



The perfect man is gentle

Never cruel or mean

He has a beautiful smile

And keeps his face so clean.



The perfect man likes children

And will raise them by your side

He will be a good father

As well as a good husband to his bride.



The perfect man loves cooking

Cleaning and vacuuming too

He'll do anything in his power

To convey his feelings of love to you.



The perfect man is sweet

Writing poetry from your name

He's a best friend to your mother

And kisses away your pain.



He never has made you cry

Or hurt you in any way

Oh, forget this stupid poem



"

"

"



The perfect man is gay!!!!







I that I can adtually day that onThursays, ms. Jones is the warm up act!! :rofl:



(And no, we don't really celebrate V-D... )



We usually just do nice romantic things for each other all year long.. mush less pressure and a lot less expensive...



I must admit that I broke down and committed niceties for Ms. Grumpy.

Named a star after her. And got her some M&M's personalized.







Comment by Raine on 02/14/2008 14:25:55
Conservatives should just go and start thier own party.

Comment by Grumpymann on 02/14/2008 14:26:41
Quote by Raine: Conservatives should just go and start thier own party.


They did it's called Republican party.

Comment by Grumpymann on 02/14/2008 14:29:29
Comment by shelaghc on 02/14/2008 14:35:43
Hey Ms. Jones - I just snagged that poem for my LJ. *g*



Thanks!



Comment by starling310 on 02/14/2008 14:35:44


Comment by Raine on 02/14/2008 14:37:06
Grump, that was very nice... I do not begrudge those that do celebrate.







Comment by velveeta jones on 02/14/2008 14:39:08
Speaking of Rethugs, in case you missed my rant last evening, I'll replay:

***********




AAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGH!! I just sat through Dan Abrams after KO.

What an ASS.

This is my new pet peeve and I am CALLING PEOPLE ON IT!

Went to dan.abrams.msnbc.com and left this message:



Dan! What is wrong with you? Do you not hear Kate Obenshain say "democrat" party? Do you NOT know that that is BAD and INCORRECT GRAMMAR? Why do you let her insult you and your program? Maybe you don't know better either? Maybe I better watch someone who is either smarter or has BALLS.


Free Smiley Face Courtesy of www.FreeSmileys.org



Comment by Grumpymann on 02/14/2008 14:39:44
Quote by Raine: Grump, that was very nice... I do not begrudge those that do celebrate.







I refuse to "Do the day"!



The way I look at it is if I need 1 single day to show the woman that shares my name. Maybe I shouldn't be breathing, much less lucky enough to be blessed withher hand on my heart.



BUT!



I just thought it was a sweet thing to do.

Comment by velveeta jones on 02/14/2008 14:40:17
Quote by starling310:




Awwww, honey, we'll fix ya up in DC. We'll both go out and get new tats. (My wife will kill me...............)

Comment by Raine on 02/14/2008 14:40:26
Quote by starling310:


:hug: :heart:

Comment by Grumpymann on 02/14/2008 14:41:07
Quote by velveeta jones: Speaking of Rethugs, in case you missed my rant last evening, I'll replay:

***********




AAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGH!! I just sat through Dan Abrams after KO.

What an ASS.

This is my new pet peeve and I am CALLING PEOPLE ON IT!

Went to dan.abrams.msnbc.com and left this message:



Dan! What is wrong with you? Do you not hear Kate Obenshain say "democrat" party? Do you NOT know that that is BAD and INCORRECT GRAMMAR? Why do you let her insult you and your program? Maybe you don't know better either? Maybe I better watch someone who is either smarter or has BALLS.


Free Smiley Face Courtesy of www.FreeSmileys.org





Comment by shelaghc on 02/14/2008 14:42:40
My kitties woke me up today. I guess that'll be about it for V-Day for me.



;->







No flowers or chocolate at my temporary desk.



le sigh

Comment by starling310 on 02/14/2008 14:42:59
Quote by velveeta jones:
Quote by starling310:




Awwww, honey, we'll fix ya up in DC. We'll both go out and get new tats. (My wife will kill me...............)






Ooh...I've got 2 already. I will start to look like the painted lady.

Comment by velveeta jones on 02/14/2008 14:43:14
BTW: The poem I posted comes from my pal Izzzatso (also on 4F MB)

Comment by starling310 on 02/14/2008 14:45:41
Quote by Raine:
Quote by starling310:


:hug: :heart:




I miss my BUB!!!!

Comment by Grumpymann on 02/14/2008 14:47:44
Quote by starling310:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by starling310:


:hug: :heart:




I miss my BUB!!!!


I'll be you BUB!



Are you going to the Meet Up?



Unless I remember wrong your in Pa ?

Comment by starling310 on 02/14/2008 14:48:31
Quote by Grumpymann: [

I'll be you BUB!



Are you going to the Meet Up?



Unless I remember wrong your in Pa ?




Thanks Grump.



I'm in CT! But, I am really going to try to come. I might bring my tall, german friend. She rocks!





Comment by Grumpymann on 02/14/2008 14:49:57
Quote by starling310:
Quote by Grumpymann: [

I'll be you BUB!



Are you going to the Meet Up?



Unless I remember wrong your in Pa ?




Thanks Grump.



I'm in CT! But, I am really going to try to come. I might bring my tall, german friend. She rocks!



Well I'm going dose anyone want to share a ride?



Comment by Raine on 02/14/2008 14:50:34
Too much importance is put on this day, I think. That is my feeling about it. Has been for years.











Comment by starling310 on 02/14/2008 14:52:04
Quote by Raine: Too much importance is put on this day, I think. That is my feeling about it. Has been for years.















Agreed. I don't miss my Bub because it's V-Day. I just miss my Bub.



Comment by Raine on 02/14/2008 14:52:06
:clap: grump is going to DC!



Comment by Raine on 02/14/2008 14:52:39
I think Obama and Hillary BOTH have stated HOW on thier websites.

Comment by starling310 on 02/14/2008 14:52:48
Quote by Grumpymann:

Well I'm going dose anyone want to share a ride?





I might be doing Amtrak from NYC.



Comment by TriSec on 02/14/2008 14:53:17
: saunters into blog :



Morning, folks!



I'm home today on a pre-planned long weekend...so I am free of the mines, which I abhor in all their manifestations!





Comment by Raine on 02/14/2008 14:54:08
We could start the how by not spending all this money in Iraq, Let's stop the spending.

Comment by Grumpymann on 02/14/2008 14:55:34
The only thing that will save this country is a new WPA!

Comment by Grumpymann on 02/14/2008 14:56:38
Quote by Raine: grump is going to DC!



I'm 75% sure

Comment by livingonli on 02/14/2008 14:59:40
Good morning everyone. :coffee:



The salt mine got a little crazy late last night. The Automation decided to grow crazy and there were two instances where it didn't switch into the show.

Comment by Raine on 02/14/2008 15:03:38
Barack on the economy:

Provide Middle Class Americans Tax Relief



Obama will cut income taxes by $1,000 for working families to offset the payroll tax they pay.

Provide a Tax Cut for Working Families: Obama will restore fairness to the tax code and provide 150 million workers the tax relief they need. Obama will create a new "Making Work Pay" tax credit of up to $500 per person, or $1,000 per working family. The "Making Work Pay" tax credit will completely eliminate income taxes for 10 million Americans.



Simplify Tax Filings for Middle Class Americans: Obama will dramatically simplify tax filings so that millions of Americans will be able to do their taxes in less than five minutes. Obama will ensure that the IRS uses the information it already gets from banks and employers to give taxpayers the option of pre-filled tax forms to verify, sign and return. Experts estimate that the Obama proposal will save Americans up to 200 million total hours of work and aggravation and up to $2 billion in tax preparer fees.

Trade

Obama believes that trade with foreign nations should strengthen the American economy and create more American jobs. He will stand firm against agreements that undermine our economic security.

Fight for Fair Trade: Obama will fight for a trade policy that opens up foreign markets to support good American jobs. He will use trade agreements to spread good labor and environmental standards around the world and stand firm against agreements like the Central American Free Trade Agreement that fail to live up to those important benchmarks. Obama will also pressure the World Trade Organization to enforce trade agreements and stop countries from continuing unfair government subsidies to foreign exporters and nontariff barriers on U.S. exports.



Amend the North American Free Trade Agreement: Obama believes that NAFTA and its potential were oversold to the American people. Obama will work with the leaders of Canada and Mexico to fix NAFTA so that it works for American workers.



Improve Transition Assistance: To help all workers adapt to a rapidly changing economy, Obama would update the existing system of Trade Adjustment Assistance by extending it to service industries, creating flexible education accounts to help workers retrain, and providing retraining assistance for workers in sectors of the economy vulnerable to dislocation before they lose their jobs.

=================================================================



I post this because I do understand what Chris is saying. When I decided to support edwards, I was based at first by a gut feeling, and then I did the research. Edwards dropped out and I was back to a smaller square one, and I felt it was my responsibility to become an informed voter.



BAck before the internets, candidates usually wrote books explaining thier stances, nowadays it is on the internets.



I feel that BOTH of our remaining candidates are lacking details, to be honest. but, In the gazzilion or so debates, they have tried to make thier issus clear, which hasn't always worked becuase of mudslinging.



I think that the IDEA of hope and change is a mindset that we NEED right now in order to get something moving in congress. in the end CONGRESS will be enacting these issues.





Comment by Raine on 02/14/2008 15:05:19
Quote by Grumpymann: The only thing that will save this country is a new WPA!
Vas is dis WPA?



Comment by Raine on 02/14/2008 15:06:29
Quote by Grumpymann:
Quote by Raine: grump is going to DC!



I'm 75% sure


Good enough for me!

Comment by livingonli on 02/14/2008 15:07:30
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Grumpymann: The only thing that will save this country is a new WPA!
Vas is dis WPA?



Works Project Authority. One of those wacky things FDR did.

Comment by livingonli on 02/14/2008 15:09:20
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Grumpymann:
Quote by Raine: grump is going to DC!



I'm 75% sure


Good enough for me!


So that means we should have myself, Raine, BobR, Mala, HBK, Grump, Star, VJ and hopefully ShelaghC.



Am I on the mark here? Maybe we can look into that group rate.

Comment by livingonli on 02/14/2008 15:10:30
Larry Craig has been a naughty boy. I'm sure he would like a spanking. :spank:

Comment by Grumpymann on 02/14/2008 15:10:50
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Grumpymann:
Quote by Raine: grump is going to DC!



I'm 75% sure


Good enough for me!


The WPA got this country on it's feet!

In short the government put people to work working on the infrastructure.

Assisting people getting on hteir feet. and straightening out their lives.



And the Cons HATED IT!



Took the Government to court to stop it!



Funny they don't seem to complain when we bailed out the banks BOTH TIMES!

Comment by TriSec on 02/14/2008 15:11:21
Hey now, the TriSec clan has put a question mark on the calendar for April 26...it's at the tail end of school vacation week, too.





Comment by Raine on 02/14/2008 15:11:28
you know, Are we sure Shano is in Pittburgh or pittsFORD?



(Shano played one of my fave songs in that montage... it's gonna take a miracle, yes it's gonna take a miracle:banana:

Comment by Grumpymann on 02/14/2008 15:12:09
Quote by livingonli: Larry Craig has been a naughty boy. I'm sure he would like a spanking. :spank:


CALL GANNON!

Comment by starling310 on 02/14/2008 15:12:34


"I'm in the den."

"No you're not. I was just in the den."


Comment by livingonli on 02/14/2008 15:12:55
Quote by TriSec: Hey now, the TriSec clan has put a question mark on the calendar for April 26...it's at the tail end of school vacation week, too.





Woot.

Comment by starling310 on 02/14/2008 15:13:45
That's the High Brow. . .



Mixed with the Low Brow. . .



Stick up the butt!



Comment by livingonli on 02/14/2008 15:14:46
Raise the maturity level. That would take away the fun.



I'm 40 and I still haven't grown up.

Comment by Grumpymann on 02/14/2008 15:15:32
Quote by livingonli:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Grumpymann:
Quote by Raine: grump is going to DC!



I'm 75% sure


Good enough for me!


So that means we should have myself, Raine, BobR, Mala, HBK, Grump, Star, VJ and hopefully ShelaghC.



Am I on the mark here? Maybe we can look into that group rate.




HOT TUB!!!!!






I know I know.



Comment by Grumpymann on 02/14/2008 15:17:36
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Grumpymann: The only thing that will save this country is a new WPA!
Vas is dis WPA?



Wikki on WPA

Comment by wickedpam on 02/14/2008 15:17:38
Morning :hug:

Comment by Grumpymann on 02/14/2008 15:21:03
Quote by wickedpam: Morning :hug:


Hi

Comment by Raine on 02/14/2008 15:21:37
Note: the following video does NOT represent the members of the dear blog, but it representative of much that I have seen around the internets regarding Clinton and Obama supporters...







I found it funny in my very dark humour sort of way.

Comment by Raine on 02/14/2008 15:25:56
Quote by Grumpymann:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Grumpymann: The only thing that will save this country is a new WPA!
Vas is dis WPA?



Wikki on WPA


I thought so! (but I wasn't sure if it was a new Wireless thing... I am so blond sometimes)

Comment by velveeta jones on 02/14/2008 15:26:05
Wow. Only three job possiblities today.....................



Why oh why did I go to a performing arts conservatory? Why not nursing? PLENTY of those jobs.



Le Yikes................ I don't want to move back to a big city..........again. *sigh*

Comment by Raine on 02/14/2008 15:27:09
:prince: can't touch this!

Comment by Raine on 02/14/2008 15:27:40
:clown: that is a very specific dream...

Comment by livingonli on 02/14/2008 15:28:14
I never had a dream like that.

Comment by wickedpam on 02/14/2008 15:28:32
Heyya Grump and all!

Comment by velveeta jones on 02/14/2008 15:31:54
Morning Mala!!

Comment by m-hadley on 02/14/2008 15:32:47
Happy Valentine's Day Everybody !!!

:heart:

Today is my doggie Dylan's Birthday - he's six years old today. If you'd like to see photos of Dillie-doo-doo, check out my blog. I added a shot of da boyz as pups yesterday along.

;)

Comment by livingonli on 02/14/2008 15:32:59
On The Colbert Report, he introed all the returning writers.

Comment by Raine on 02/14/2008 15:33:09
Quote by will in chicago:

Here is a story that should outrage everyone:

Toxic fumes force Katrina, Rita victims from trailers



That is right, the trailers have an average of five times the formaldehyde exposure that most people have in modern homes - and over fifty times in some cases.
Funny a few months back, the CDC was barred from entering them and no one bothered to do anything for the people STILL LIVING IN THEM!@!

F*CKERS.



How many years has it been? What is FEMA doing?



Oh yeah, making these people homeless, like they planned all along.



Comment by Raine on 02/14/2008 15:34:03
Quote by livingonli: On The Colbert Report, he introed all the returning writers.
Dunno if anyone noticed but he had Judith Miller and Kevin Bacon as 2 of his writers...



Comment by livingonli on 02/14/2008 15:35:05
Quote by m-hadley: Happy Valentine's Day Everybody !!!

:heart:

Today is my doggie Dylan's Birthday - he's six years old today. If you'd like to see photos of Dillie-doo-doo, check out my blog. I added a shot of da boyz as pups yesterday along.

;)


Give them a biscuit for me.

Comment by livingonli on 02/14/2008 15:35:33
Quote by Raine:
Quote by livingonli: On The Colbert Report, he introed all the returning writers.
Dunno if anyone noticed but he had Judith Miller and Kevin Bacon as 2 of his writers...



And the Mets mascot.

Comment by Raine on 02/14/2008 15:35:53
Quote by m-hadley: Happy Valentine's Day Everybody !!!

:heart:

Today is my doggie Dylan's Birthday - he's six years old today. If you'd like to see photos of Dillie-doo-doo, check out my blog. I added a shot of da boyz as pups yesterday along.

;)
They are so beautiful!!!



Comment by Raine on 02/14/2008 15:36:22
:wacko: caller making no sense.

Comment by BobR on 02/14/2008 15:36:38
Morning, folks.... :coffee:



My, aren't we chatty this morning? :)

Comment by velveeta jones on 02/14/2008 15:37:30
Off to beg for jobs, er, write letters for work.





Comment by Grumpymann on 02/14/2008 15:38:04
Quote by BobR: Morning, folks.... :coffee:



My, aren't we chatty this morning? :)


Don't touch my Monkey .....

Good to see you.

Comment by Will in Chicago on 02/14/2008 15:39:16
Excellent blog entry, Raine!



(I had to step away from the PC for a while. Household tasks.)



To me, a measure of a society's development is how it treats its citizens. To be blunt, the key question is does justice exist for all members of our society. Under the Bush administration, the answer is no.



Corporations may be seen as people by some conservatives, but the rights of individuals must outweigh those of artificial entities that are not sentient, and no more capable of feeling than a stone. So, I think that we have to press for justice in this matter - even if the deck appears stacked in the favor of major corporations.

Comment by BobR on 02/14/2008 15:39:18
Hey Grump - there's a blog post here where we're trying to keep all of the DC meetup info together. So that'd be a great place to coordinate ride-shares so the details don't get scattered across several blog posts over the next days and weeks.

Comment by Raine on 02/14/2008 15:39:24
Jeez, I feel like Chris is gonna walk of the show today. I think he is fair and right to ask a question.

Comment by livingonli on 02/14/2008 15:39:53
Morning BobR, we're having fun today.



And my vacation time for April was already approved so now I just have to work on booking the room. I will be driving down with the old jalopy (and possibly with HBK as a passenger again).

Comment by starling310 on 02/14/2008 15:40:17
OMG! Seriously people! Chris sort of has a point here so STFU!!!!



Comment by Raine on 02/14/2008 15:40:57
Thanks will!

Comment by starling310 on 02/14/2008 15:43:27
"It guarantees Health Care for everybody..." Mmmm....No, it doesn't.

Comment by livingonli on 02/14/2008 15:45:17
So in love.



Ah, vintage OMD.

Comment by Raine on 02/14/2008 15:45:42
Quote by starling310: OMG! Seriously people! Chris sort of has a point here so STFU!!!!

I cannot believe so many people are so angry at him for asking that question.







Comment by livingonli on 02/14/2008 15:46:32
Quote by starling310: "It guarantees Health Care for everybody..." Mmmm....No, it doesn't.


It was Kucinich's plan that guaranteed that. Edwards was pretty close, but he wasn't quite cutting off the insurance companies.

Comment by Raine on 02/14/2008 15:48:13
Quote by Grumpymann:
Quote by BobR: Morning, folks.... :coffee:



My, aren't we chatty this morning? :)


Don't touch my Monkey .....

Good to see you.


:rofl: I have it on good authority that he is wearing his Dark grey ribbed turtle neck wool sweater, the one that I love to call his SPROCKETS sweater... and seriously, for me, it's a big GGrrrOOWWW!





Comment by BobR on 02/14/2008 15:50:27
Quote by Raine:

:rofl: I have it on good authority that he is wearing his Dark grey ribbed turtle neck wool sweater, the one that I love to call his SPROCKETS sweater... and seriously, for me, it's a big GGrrrOOWWW!





I'm as happy as a little gurllllll....

Comment by starling310 on 02/14/2008 15:51:44
All you WHINY CALLERS are on my last nerve.

Chris isn't saying that people are following him blindly. . . Jesus.

Why is we must launch off the Hyperbole Cliff whenever someone states an opinion!



Comment by Grumpymann on 02/14/2008 15:52:53
I could give a fuck less if Obama wants to have 2 monkies in every pot!

He wants to bring this country together!













... And he can speak the English language

Comment by Raine on 02/14/2008 15:53:22
The show's phone line is busy... But I think it is important to say that becuase Chris asked a ... oh never mind... Chris just said What I was going to say... they are using very unfair debate tactics by attacking him instead of the actual issue.

Comment by Grumpymann on 02/14/2008 15:53:46
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Grumpymann:
Quote by BobR: Morning, folks.... :coffee:



My, aren't we chatty this morning? :)


Don't touch my Monkey .....

Good to see you.


:rofl: I have it on good authority that he is wearing his Dark grey ribbed turtle neck wool sweater, the one that I love to call his SPROCKETS sweater... and seriously, for me, it's a big GGrrrOOWWW!



Citizens DANCE!



Comment by livingonli on 02/14/2008 15:54:31
Quote by starling310: All you WHINY CALLERS are on my last nerve.

Chris isn't saying that people are following him blindly. . . Jesus.

Why is we must launch off the Hyperbole Cliff whenever someone states an opinion!



Randi's problems are that she is rude to the callers, here, the callers beat up on the host and producer.

Comment by starling310 on 02/14/2008 15:54:39
OMG....we are all fighting with each other and we're pretty much on the same page.



This is ridiculous.



I am switching to my ipod!



Comment by Raine on 02/14/2008 15:55:14
Quote by starling310: All you WHINY CALLERS are on my last nerve.

Chris isn't saying that people are following him blindly. . . Jesus.

Why is we must launch off the Hyperbole Cliff whenever someone states an opinion!

I know you are at work, but when you get home WATCH that video I posted. EVERYONE is going off the deep end.



Comment by Raine on 02/14/2008 15:56:14
One the line...

Comment by TriSec on 02/14/2008 15:56:31
Well, I've been scurrying around a bit this morning...



slaughtered porcine omnivore in the slow cooker; egg salad all made and cooling for lunch, a bottle of chardonnay chilling to go with the aforementioned omnivore later, and some potato salad coming up this afternoon.



But soon, I'll be taking Mrs. TriSec in to the school dept. for her noontime work, then I'll be all alone a bit.



We're off tomorrow, too...we planned Friday to be more of an "alone" day...Javi will be in school and Mrs. TriSec is not working.



I've just programmed the GPS for this weekend, we're heading up to Belfast for an overnight Sunday...we'll be stopping at a noted Bean Factory in Freeport on the way, but we're also going to check out the neighborhood and Athena's new offices...





Comment by starling310 on 02/14/2008 15:57:51
". . .Your Hero is destined to waver. Anyone can. . ."

Comment by m-hadley on 02/14/2008 16:02:27
Quote by Raine:
Quote by starling310: OMG! Seriously people! Chris sort of has a point here so STFU!!!!

I cannot believe so many people are so angry at him for asking that question.







I've only caught the show in bits n pieces this morning, so I'm not sure what all the hub bub is about, but is does seem like the whiney callers are out in full force this manana... Just sayin'



Comment by livingonli on 02/14/2008 16:05:33
The local news is reporting that Mayor Bloomberg is now a member of the NRA.

Comment by Raine on 02/14/2008 16:05:41
Still on hold...

Comment by m-hadley on 02/14/2008 16:07:27
Give 'em hell, Raine!!!

Comment by starling310 on 02/14/2008 16:08:54
Raine in Atlanta. Raine in Atlanta.

Comment by BobR on 02/14/2008 16:09:07
It's interesting - we had the same "vague on details" discussion with our neighbor last night. We suggested reading Obama's website for details, and he said that he shouldn't have to.



I'm beginning to wonder if this whole "vague on details" is a viral smear campaign against Obama - either from Hillary or the Republicans...

Comment by shelaghc on 02/14/2008 16:10:41
Quote by Raine: you know, Are we sure Shano is in Pittburgh or pittsFORD?



(Shano played one of my fave songs in that montage... it's gonna take a miracle, yes it's gonna take a miracle:banana:




I wanna find Shano in Pittsburgh dammit....





Comment by livingonli on 02/14/2008 16:11:49
Quote by shelaghc:
Quote by Raine: you know, Are we sure Shano is in Pittburgh or pittsFORD?



(Shano played one of my fave songs in that montage... it's gonna take a miracle, yes it's gonna take a miracle:banana:




I wanna find Shano in Pittsburgh dammit....





He or she seems to have displaced a certain person in South Dakota who used to send drops to the show.

Comment by Raine on 02/14/2008 16:13:52
But bob, it is still a fair question to ask. I think I said that last night. Our friend is not Chris. Chris is someone who actually has a JOB doing research.



FIRST I would like for us on the left NOT to eat thier own.

Comment by wickedpam on 02/14/2008 16:14:15
Quote by starling310: Raine in Atlanta. Raine in Atlanta.




Big Bucks! Big Bucks! No Whammies!



Comment by livingonli on 02/14/2008 16:14:39
Murdoch's turned the Wall Street Journal into an upper class New York Post.

Comment by starling310 on 02/14/2008 16:15:57
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by starling310: Raine in Atlanta. Raine in Atlanta.




Big Bucks! Big Bucks! No Whammies!









I used to root for the WHAMMY because I wanted to see him walk across the screen.

Comment by Raine on 02/14/2008 16:17:31
I think that Chris is asking for details more for america rather than for him, I could be wrong, but there is nothing wrong with taking a contrarian position. If we are at a point on the left where we cannot do that, then we are as bad as the right wing.







Comment by livingonli on 02/14/2008 16:21:17
Quote by starling310:
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by starling310: Raine in Atlanta. Raine in Atlanta.




Big Bucks! Big Bucks! No Whammies!









I used to root for the WHAMMY because I wanted to see him walk across the screen.




So did I.



Comment by Raine on 02/14/2008 16:21:34


Comment by shelaghc on 02/14/2008 16:22:26
Quote by Raine: The show's phone line is busy... But I think it is important to say that becuase Chris asked a ... oh never mind... Chris just said What I was going to say... they are using very unfair debate tactics by attacking him instead of the actual issue.




I missed the whole discussion because of having to do crappy work. What happened?





Comment by Will in Chicago on 02/14/2008 16:23:25
Raine, I am working on the Daily Headlines and came across this from Think Progress:



VIDEO - TN state senator: rape just isn’t what it used to be.



This is disgusting.



Comment by Raine on 02/14/2008 16:26:54
I am still on hold... Damn these people doing thier jobs and carrying on with the big shoe!! :)

Comment by BobR on 02/14/2008 16:27:19
Quote by Raine: But bob, it is still a fair question to ask. I think I said that last night. Our friend is not Chris. Chris is someone who actually has a JOB doing research.



FIRST I would like for us on the left NOT to eat thier own.


I don't disagree with that. It just seems suspicious that this seems to be the meme lately, especially since our friend listens to right-wing radio (so we don't have to) and was voicing the same thing.

Comment by Raine on 02/14/2008 16:27:48
BUT I am a believer in hope... so I will stay on the line as long as I can.

Comment by BobR on 02/14/2008 16:29:16
Quote by will in chicago: Raine, I am working on the Daily Headlines and came across this from Think Progress:



VIDEO - TN state senator: rape just isn’t what it used to be.



This is disgusting.



Christ, and that's coming from a Democrat...

Comment by wickedpam on 02/14/2008 16:29:38
Raine are you still on hold?

Comment by starling310 on 02/14/2008 16:30:24
Quote by Raine: BUT I am a believer in hope... so I will stay on the line as long as I can.




How Audacious.

Comment by wickedpam on 02/14/2008 16:30:26
never mind answered my own question

Comment by BobR on 02/14/2008 16:31:07
btw - I noticed Momma & The Mooks™ used the same language as I did yesterday about that Aretha Franklin story...



:trumpet: <--- me tooting my own horn.

Comment by Raine on 02/14/2008 16:31:18
Quote by BobR:
Quote by Raine: But bob, it is still a fair question to ask. I think I said that last night. Our friend is not Chris. Chris is someone who actually has a JOB doing research.



FIRST I would like for us on the left NOT to eat thier own.


I don't disagree with that. It just seems suspicious that this seems to be the meme lately, especially since our friend listens to right-wing radio (so we don't have to) and was voicing the same thing.


That is true. We need to get him off the RWR machines.



I just hate that he is being attacked for a question. HE isn't and has never been a right winger--- ALL he has EVER done is question.



AS I said before, I am afraid that we are becoming the thing that we hate the very most. Intolerance.











Comment by livingonli on 02/14/2008 16:32:15
Quote by Raine: BUT I am a believer in hope... so I will stay on the line as long as I can.


You are such a plucky bunny.

Comment by BobR on 02/14/2008 16:32:25
Quote by shelaghc:



I missed the whole discussion because of having to do crappy work. What happened?





Chris is saying that Obama's speeches are lite on details (which is true), and callers are non-stop lambasting him for it.

Comment by Raine on 02/14/2008 16:33:02
Quote by BobR: btw - I noticed Momma & The Mooks™ used the same language as I did yesterday about that Aretha Franklin story...



:trumpet: <--- me tooting my own horn.


HEY! you are at work and that is my job! (off to the penalty box I go!)

Comment by wickedpam on 02/14/2008 16:35:48
long way to go for nothin'

Comment by starling310 on 02/14/2008 16:37:06
Wow. . . Katie and Sherry. . . 2 completely unoriginal lesbians. Fantastic.





Comment by starling310 on 02/14/2008 16:40:59
Were I still with my "bub" ( shelley ) today, I had planned to get her a "Halloween Town" light up snowglobe. She has one, that no longer lights up or plays the music. I was going to replace it.

Just saying.



Comment by Raine on 02/14/2008 16:43:57
Still holding... :(





Comment by shelaghc on 02/14/2008 16:44:50
Quote by BobR:
Quote by shelaghc:



I missed the whole discussion because of having to do crappy work. What happened?





Chris is saying that Obama's speeches are lite on details (which is true), and callers are non-stop lambasting him for it.






They are light on details, yes. But nowadays all the media cares about is soundbytes so light on details is probably the best way to go.



After all, Obama's positions on everything are very detailed on his website.

Comment by Raine on 02/14/2008 16:48:10
Quote by starling310: Were I still with my "bub" ( shelley ) today, I had planned to get her a "Halloween Town" light up snowglobe. She has one, that no longer lights up or plays the music. I was going to replace it.

Just saying.

and now... I would VERY much like for you to get something for yourself that you hoped she would gt for you.



OR... even better... just do something for yourself that you would do for someone else, something that you would never do for yourself but would not hesitate to do for someone else.



:hug:







Comment by BobR on 02/14/2008 16:48:25
"Hi - I'm Beth"

"And I'm Jody"

"We're the owners of Two Dykes and a Truck moving company..."



:rofl:

Comment by starling310 on 02/14/2008 16:49:08
Quote by Raine:
Quote by starling310: Were I still with my "bub" ( shelley ) today, I had planned to get her a "Halloween Town" light up snowglobe. She has one, that no longer lights up or plays the music. I was going to replace it.

Just saying.

and now... I would VERY much like for you to get something for yourself that you hoped she would gt for you.



OR... even better... just do something for yourself that you would do for someone else, something that you would never do for yourself but would not hesitate to do for someone else.



:hug:









:shrug:



Comment by starling310 on 02/14/2008 16:50:01
A human animal hybrid candidate.

Comment by BobR on 02/14/2008 16:50:51
Comment by Raine on 02/14/2008 16:53:26
Quote by starling310:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by starling310: Were I still with my "bub" ( shelley ) today, I had planned to get her a "Halloween Town" light up snowglobe. She has one, that no longer lights up or plays the music. I was going to replace it.

Just saying.

and now... I would VERY much like for you to get something for yourself that you hoped she would gt for you.



OR... even better... just do something for yourself that you would do for someone else, something that you would never do for yourself but would not hesitate to do for someone else.



:hug:









:shrug:

it isn't easy, but having been there myself, I found it VERY rewarding. It does help fill that space.







Comment by Raine on 02/14/2008 16:54:42
I dunna think my defense of Chris is gonna make the big shoe. But it is fun to listen to it from the phone...

Comment by Raine on 02/14/2008 16:55:32
And I love the fair rebekah.

Comment by Raine on 02/14/2008 16:56:23
:(

Comment by livingonli on 02/14/2008 16:56:50
Quote by Raine: I dunna think my defense of Chris is gonna make the big shoe. But it is fun to listen to it from the phone...


Maybe you can try tomorrow.

Comment by Raine on 02/14/2008 17:01:36
Oh well... maybe next time.



I just HATE how so many people pulled a red HErring on Chris. I really do.



We are liberals, and progressives. We need to be able to allow for questions to be asked! For F*cksake. If I wanted to be lock stock and key with my party I would be a rePUBElickan.







Comment by velveeta jones on 02/14/2008 17:04:17
Surreal moment of the day:



I am pulling my hair out looking for an old playbill for a show I did with Kathleen Turner - needed to find the name of the Sound Designer. Suddenly, I hear Kathleen's voice! Loud and Clear!!



Turns out, she's on The View, and my better half turned up the volume to listen and she came booming through the air vents. Whew! I thought I was having some sort of haunting...............by Ms Turner!!

Comment by BobR on 02/14/2008 17:08:57
I like this.



Note that this is unusual for him, since he usually does political cartoons.

Comment by Raine on 02/14/2008 17:11:48
Chris is not a right wing tool!!! NOR a troll nore anything... he is like me, who desires very badly to hear substance.



I am having an I miss John edwards moment. John edwards had no problem talking about our homeless vets ... he brought the ugly part of america into the debate and talked about fixing it.



HE talked about homelessness and talked about fixing it.



HE talked about people with medical problems and talked about fixing it.



Obama and Hillary both NEED to make this PERSONAL. But specially Obama. I understand what he is saying. I pay far more attention to it all than alot of people. So do ALL of our friends at this blog, and our friends on other progressive sights. WE are fortunate. We have this internet available to use and we use it the way it SHOULD be used... as a tool for self education. We use it to understand, repudiate, or confirm.



They NEED To make it REALLY about you and I. I think that Obama when he talks about hope, he needs to show specific examples in his campaign stumps about HOW that hope can be brought about.



HELL -- politics should be be about making it personal.







Comment by livingonli on 02/14/2008 17:11:59
Quote by velveeta jones: Surreal moment of the day:



I am pulling my hair out looking for an old playbill for a show I did with Kathleen Turner - needed to find the name of the Sound Designer. Suddenly, I hear Kathleen's voice! Loud and Clear!!



Turns out, she's on The View, and my better half turned up the volume to listen and she came booming through the air vents. Whew! I thought I was having some sort of haunting...............by Ms Turner!!


Sounds like you could do a bit of name dropping if you wanted to.

Comment by m-hadley on 02/14/2008 17:12:46
What a clueless wonder is talking to Thom Hartmann at the moment - just stay home, be barefoot and pregnant, but don't call in an spew your nonsense on the national airwaves - blah, blah, blah (Does Thom just like to argue or what? What's with all these right-wing guests?)

Comment by wickedpam on 02/14/2008 17:14:14
Why do I think that's Ben Franklin?

Comment by Raine on 02/14/2008 17:14:41
BOTTOM LINE, I would like VERY much if people would go to the candidates websites, but as Bob mentioned, we have friends who will not. They expect the MEDIA still to present to them the speaches about specifics.



The media will not.



They won't give all those speaches by ANY candidate who gave specifics... they have deamed americans to stupid to go beyond sound bytes.







Comment by velveeta jones on 02/14/2008 17:14:44
Wow, reading back, looks like the big shoe had a 'caller bashing' going on? Did I miss that?



I don't really like it when people beat up on Chris, though, it can be funny. Okay, maybe I do like it when people beat up on Chris.





Comment by BobR on 02/14/2008 17:14:57
this hyper-active tool on Hartmann is raising my blood pressure. :punch:

Comment by wickedpam on 02/14/2008 17:15:57
Gawd, you know what they called sex-ed in my school?





Health Class.....

Comment by shelaghc on 02/14/2008 17:17:51
Quote by velveeta jones: Surreal moment of the day:



I am pulling my hair out looking for an old playbill for a show I did with Kathleen Turner - needed to find the name of the Sound Designer. Suddenly, I hear Kathleen's voice! Loud and Clear!!



Turns out, she's on The View, and my better half turned up the volume to listen and she came booming through the air vents. Whew! I thought I was having some sort of haunting...............by Ms Turner!!




Is there a chance the show was on Broadway? If so, check the Internet Broadway Database - the Broadway version of the IMDB.



Comment by Raine on 02/14/2008 17:19:29
Quote by m-hadley: What a clueless wonder is talking to Thom Hartmann at the moment - just stay home, be barefoot and pregnant, but don't call in an spew your nonsense on the national airwaves - blah, blah, blah (Does Thom just like to argue or what? What's with all these right-wing guests?)
OMG. caught the tail end of that.



When I right winger says free choice, that means they want to choose to fuck over the poor.





Comment by velveeta jones on 02/14/2008 17:19:55
Quote by will in chicago: Raine, I am working on the Daily Headlines and came across this from Think Progress:



VIDEO - TN state senator: rape just isn’t what it used to be.



This is disgusting.



OH. MY. GOD.







Writing a letter...................NOW.

Comment by livingonli on 02/14/2008 17:30:01
Quote by Raine:



When I right winger says free choice, that means they want to choose to fuck over the poor.





That's pretty much it. They want to make sure they can do whatever they want but they don't want anyone else to have an opportunity to get ahead.

Comment by velveeta jones on 02/14/2008 17:52:46
Quote by shelaghc:
Quote by velveeta jones: Surreal moment of the day:



I am pulling my hair out looking for an old playbill for a show I did with Kathleen Turner - needed to find the name of the Sound Designer. Suddenly, I hear Kathleen's voice! Loud and Clear!!



Turns out, she's on The View, and my better half turned up the volume to listen and she came booming through the air vents. Whew! I thought I was having some sort of haunting...............by Ms Turner!!




Is there a chance the show was on Broadway? If so, check the Internet Broadway Database - the Broadway version of the IMDB.





Oh yeah, I am quite familiar with ibdb! This play was supposed to go to broadway, and it really should have, one of the best shows I ever did. What happened? Not sure ...........but then 911 happened and ticket sales plummeted. The hot iron ........cooled.



Comment by Raine on 02/14/2008 17:59:37
Quote by velveeta jones:
Quote by will in chicago: Raine, I am working on the Daily Headlines and came across this from Think Progress:



VIDEO - TN state senator: rape just isn’t what it used to be.



This is disgusting.



OH. MY. GOD.







Writing a letter...................NOW.
Good fucking gawd.



I am as well.



my blood is boiling to the point that I probably should not write a letter. But I will make sure it sounds fine and not like a hysterical fucking woman who should just go sit down in the corner and shut the fuck up.



REALLY, I promise.



(according to this man, a woman should be bloodied and beat up for it to be rape I guess.)



Comment by MMB on 02/14/2008 18:00:13
Happy Day to all. Everyday should be day.

Comment by Raine on 02/14/2008 18:02:02
That pig. a chaste woman?



I guess fucking child molesters ahould be excluded as well?



an 8 year old is not a woman nor a married person. FUCKER!

Comment by Raine on 02/14/2008 18:05:17
OMG.. Bush is willing to delay his daprture on to ANOTHER vacation to help the house pass his stupid FISA BILL!









Comment by Raine on 02/14/2008 18:10:30
OMG... the poresident HAS jumped the couch.



He is giving a speach and he sound not only hysterical, but is making no sense at all.

Comment by livingonli on 02/14/2008 18:21:38
Quote by Raine: OMG... the poresident HAS jumped the couch.



He is giving a speach and he sound not only hysterical, but is making no sense at all.


More so than usual?

Comment by livingonli on 02/14/2008 18:33:31
If we can't impeach him, can we at least use the 26th Amendment to remove him on grounds of mental competence (mainly lack thereof)?



Then we can work on the Cheney impeachment.

Comment by velveeta jones on 02/14/2008 18:36:45
Quote by Raine: OMG.. Bush is willing to delay his daprture on to ANOTHER vacation to help the house pass his stupid FISA BILL!





He's "werking har-yard"



Comment by velveeta jones on 02/14/2008 18:38:38
Quote by Raine: OMG... the poresident HAS jumped the couch.



He is giving a speach and he sound not only hysterical, but is making no sense at all.


.......this is differnt how?



Comment by livingonli on 02/14/2008 18:41:50
MSNBC is reporting that the Mittens is going to endorse McCain.

Comment by shelaghc on 02/14/2008 18:42:00
Off the subject entirely, this is all kinds of cool.





Comment by Raine on 02/14/2008 18:48:33
ANYONE at home right now... turn on the TV!!!

Comment by Raine on 02/14/2008 18:49:55
The house republicans just walked out during acontempt vote against a presidential advisor.



I am wathcing MSNBC...



They are also walking ourbecuase the house is also saying that they WILL let the FISA issue expire.

Comment by Raine on 02/14/2008 18:51:44
OMG!!! ALL of these anti union anti labour republicans just walked OFF The job!!!



FIRE THEM ALL IMMEDIALTLY!

Comment by livingonli on 02/14/2008 18:53:14
The Republicans will blindly defend this administration no matter what they do? I swear the hardcore Republicans would defend Bush if he raped and murdered a baby.



And is the boner going to cry to get his way?

Comment by wickedpam on 02/14/2008 18:54:17
Quote by Raine: The house republicans just walked out during acontempt vote against a presidential advisor.



I am wathcing MSNBC...



They are also walking ourbecuase the house is also saying that they WILL let the FISA issue expire.




Thom's right Dem's need to learn how to work the camera.

Comment by wickedpam on 02/14/2008 18:55:32
Do we have a list of who left the floor?

Comment by shelaghc on 02/14/2008 18:57:50
They're letting FISA expire? Does that mean no immunity?



Do I hear the sound of balls dropping in the House?



Comment by Raine on 02/14/2008 18:58:21
BAsically here is the deal, the house said they were going to vote on contempt charges against Rove and Miers... becuase they had time... the REpublicans walked out becuase they wanted the house to revote on the FISA law that was passed yesterday in the senate that the hose voted originally against.



The fucking babies babies walked our because they could not get thier way!







Comment by livingonli on 02/14/2008 18:58:30
I wouldn't want Fox to take over Yahoo! any more than I would want Microsoft to.

Comment by m-hadley on 02/14/2008 18:58:48
Quote by velveeta jones:
Quote by Raine: OMG... the poresident HAS jumped the couch.



He is giving a speach and he sound not only hysterical, but is making no sense at all.


.......this is differnt how?





Comment by wickedpam on 02/14/2008 18:59:49
Quote by Raine: BAsically here is the deal, the house said they were going to vote on contempt charges against Rove and Miers... becuase they had time... the REpublicans walked out becuase they wanted the house to revote on the FISA law that was passed yesterday in the senate that the hose voted originally against.



The fucking babies babies walked our because they could not get thier way!









so it was the House not the Senate



Comment by Raine on 02/14/2008 19:03:56
Quote by shelaghc: They're letting FISA expire? Does that mean no immunity?



Do I hear the sound of balls dropping in the House?

IF things go the way I am seeing, the house ihey will be letting the prtoect America Act expire on Friday. That means that things sill go back to the way it used to be ... forcing the administration to use the FISA court. and no immunity for Telecoms.



Bush is ready to bust a nut, as I tried to report when he gave a short speech and less than an hour later, we see the house republicans walking out of session.



This is amazing stuff friends.



Comment by livingonli on 02/14/2008 19:06:49
I am going to go head out and do some stuff. See y'all when I get back.

Comment by shelaghc on 02/14/2008 19:15:33
Quote by Raine:
Quote by shelaghc: They're letting FISA expire? Does that mean no immunity?



Do I hear the sound of balls dropping in the House?

IF things go the way I am seeing, the house ihey will be letting the prtoect America Act expire on Friday. That means that things sill go back to the way it used to be ... forcing the administration to use the FISA court. and no immunity for Telecoms.



Bush is ready to bust a nut, as I tried to report when he gave a short speech and less than an hour later, we see the house republicans walking out of session.



This is amazing stuff friends.





I *really* hope this shows up on YouTube or C&L!

Comment by Raine on 02/14/2008 19:16:27
Quote by m-hadley:
Quote by velveeta jones:
Quote by Raine: OMG... the poresident HAS jumped the couch.



He is giving a speach and he sound not only hysterical, but is making no sense at all.


.......this is differnt how?





:)



pfff... If and when I can get video t show you, you will see that this time it was WAY over the top.







I think that Bush's speech will make Olberman tonight.



He kinda said that the house would be the reason why Americans will die if a terrorist attack happens.

Comment by Raine on 02/14/2008 19:21:33
Quote by shelaghc:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by shelaghc: They're letting FISA expire? Does that mean no immunity?



Do I hear the sound of balls dropping in the House?

IF things go the way I am seeing, the house ihey will be letting the prtoect America Act expire on Friday. That means that things sill go back to the way it used to be ... forcing the administration to use the FISA court. and no immunity for Telecoms.



Bush is ready to bust a nut, as I tried to report when he gave a short speech and less than an hour later, we see the house republicans walking out of session.



This is amazing stuff friends.





I *really* hope this shows up on YouTube or C&L!
Keep the eye on c&L for video & story, they are usually pretty quick on this stuff.



I need to find a way to record this stuff STRAIGHT up off the DIVO machine to upload it.







Comment by Raine on 02/14/2008 19:27:58
And the house republicans did it during a memorial service for rep. Lantos.



They have no respect for the dead who served this country, it is all about bush's agenda to them.

Comment by Raine on 02/14/2008 19:32:35
...so... the lesson to be learned here.. is that the republicans agenda is REALLY the BUSH agenda...



We need to never EVER forget that. JSUT because they don't use his words... thier actions are all that we need.



IT is time to vote these pubs out. When I can, when it available, I will post the names of all the pubs I saw standing on the house steps.



PLUS... the fact that here were cameras there to record this drama, tells me that the pubs have used the media for thier own benefit, again.

Comment by velveeta jones on 02/14/2008 19:33:48
What? What's going on. Did the Dems grow (at least temporarily) teeny tiny balls?



Hurrah!

Comment by Raine on 02/14/2008 19:38:07
The house better fucking stand it's ground this time. I am crazy making phone calls. call anyone you can to Tell the house dems to stand thier ground and let friday come and go.







Comment by starling310 on 02/14/2008 19:38:51
Whaaa....I go for lunch and all hell breaks loose!



Comment by starling310 on 02/14/2008 19:39:17
Oo..Christie Harvey. :wub2:

Comment by starling310 on 02/14/2008 19:39:40
This is not Thom.

What the?



Comment by m-hadley on 02/14/2008 19:42:03
I wish that the Dems could take advantage of the Rethugs being gone (out-to-lunch) and vote on ending the war or some other constructive piece of legislation - why the hell not???

Comment by wickedpam on 02/14/2008 19:45:56
I think they have to have a quarum

Comment by BobR on 02/14/2008 19:46:08
Quote by starling310: Oo..Christie Harvey. :wub2:


I love her comment: "McCain is old and set in Bush's ways..." :clap:

Comment by Raine on 02/14/2008 19:46:37
Quote by velveeta jones: What? What's going on. Did the Dems grow (at least temporarily) teeny tiny balls?



Hurrah!
If telling the republicans that they can't have the vote they want is balls then I am willing to take it.







This sitch is more a show of what a bunch of babies the pubes really are. The ONLY thing the hosue has to do is NOT bring up the FISA vote agin. THAT IS IT. ALL they have to do is DO NOTHING.



in return for the possibility of doing NOTHING... house Republicans walked out.



if I could begin to tell you the hypocrisy here I would. But I may need a complete new blog post.



PROTEST IS UNAMERICAN!!! how dare these republicans do such a thing?!?!?! THey are on the job!



FK. these anti union anti labor pigs just walked off the job.... Everyone of them should be fired according to what every republican water carrier wants from tier party.



PROTEST? they are fools!!! they are an embarassment to thier mission!!! (that is what i have been told when I gladly defend Code pink and WCW... HOW ever will they defend the republicans?@?@?)









Comment by BobR on 02/14/2008 19:49:02
Quote by m-hadley: I wish that the Dems could take advantage of the Rethugs being gone (out-to-lunch) and vote on ending the war or some other constructive piece of legislation - why the hell not???




Quote by wickedpam:

I think they have to have a quorum


Fixxity!



Yes, I believe that's the case. By walking out, the Repubs have shut down the House.

Comment by starling310 on 02/14/2008 19:50:01
Quote by BobR:
Quote by starling310: Oo..Christie Harvey. :wub2:


I love her comment: "McCain is old and set in Bush's ways..." :clap:




She has a very pleasant way about her; I love when she is on!



Comment by BobR on 02/14/2008 19:50:39
If they are trying to hold the Contempt vote hostage by walking out (and demanding a vote on the FISA bill as ransom), they are fools. The law expires tomorrow; they can still vote on contempt on Monday.

Comment by TriSec on 02/14/2008 19:51:31
What the hell?



Why does all the good stuff happen on my day off? (Funny thing, I'm actually more connected at work, I'd have been following this all along, once of course our dear Raine clued us in...)





Comment by Raine on 02/14/2008 19:51:43
Quote by wickedpam: I think they have to have a quarum


Aww hell.... are they gonna let us down again?





I will not believe it. THE HOUSE REPUBS WALKED OUT becuase they did not get thier way...



WHO is the majority?





When does the Majority get a say?



WHEN?!?!?!





Comment by velveeta jones on 02/14/2008 20:02:49
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam: I think they have to have a quarum


Aww hell.... are they gonna let us down again?





I will not believe it. THE HOUSE REPUBS WALKED OUT becuase trhey did not get thoer way...



WHO is the majority?





When does the Majority get a say?



WHEN?!?!?!





We barely got a majority.



:lol: Raine, you need a pill or a massage...........



I picture you right now with paint brush balled up into a fist; paint strewn about on your walls, clothes, hair and face; hair all in disarray; and you bouncing off the walls!!



But this is politics as usual............ :lol:



.............sadly.



Comment by Raine on 02/14/2008 20:07:08
Quote by TriSec: What the hell?



Why does all the good stuff happen on my day off? (Funny thing, I'm actually more connected at work, I'd have been following this all along, once of course our dear Raine clued us in...)







I would love that this stuff happened when we did not have friends off.



IF the house keeps thier promise... the FISA law will expire on friday.



That means that we don't get spied on illegally.



That also means that telecomms HAVE to stop what they are DOING.



and it means that they were REALLY stupid in believing that just bacasue Bush said it was ok doesn't mean it was ok.



BUSH is not the president of all the companies. HE is not the AMRICAN CEO.



Telecoms need to get this right here and now, we pay you for OUR services... the administration doesn't. Are they al that retardofiffic that they cannot get that point?



A CEO is expected to shill for a company... NOT the GOVERNMENT.







Comment by shelaghc on 02/14/2008 20:07:41
Quote by BobR: Yes, I believe that's the case. By walking out, the Repubs have shut down the House.




Since the contempt vote already went through, is the walkout anything more than a media show? Or did something else have to happen in order to complete the contempt charges?

Comment by starling310 on 02/14/2008 20:08:11
According to Article One of the United States Constitution, the United States House of Representatives and the United States Senate each have a quorum of a simple majority of their respective members.




Sooooo.......Shouldn't we have a quorum if all the Dems are there?





I mean, that part about the Constitution is pppffsstt....whatever. But, still!



Comment by starling310 on 02/14/2008 20:12:55
I will say this about Randi. . . I love having her on when sh*t is hitting the fan.



Comment by starling310 on 02/14/2008 20:14:18
My name is Starling.

And, I'm a text-a-holic.



Thank you.



Comment by Raine on 02/14/2008 20:17:01
To follow up with the Story that Will gave us... Fucking A... Fema is now saying that they are going to have to get out of the business of giving people homes after a disaster.



WHY?



becuase they don't think it is fair to put people in formaldeyhyde homes.



NO ... I am not shitting you.







Comment by wickedpam on 02/14/2008 20:21:16
Quote by BobR:
Quote by m-hadley: I wish that the Dems could take advantage of the Rethugs being gone (out-to-lunch) and vote on ending the war or some other constructive piece of legislation - why the hell not???




Quote by wickedpam:

I think they have to have a quorum


Fixxity!



Yes, I believe that's the case. By walking out, the Repubs have shut down the House.




Thanks - I can't spell



Comment by Raine on 02/14/2008 20:25:24
Quote by velveeta jones:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam: I think they have to have a quarum


Aww hell.... are they gonna let us down again?





I will not believe it. THE HOUSE REPUBS WALKED OUT becuase trhey did not get thoer way...



WHO is the majority?





When does the Majority get a say?



WHEN?!?!?!





We barely got a majority.



:lol: Raine, you need a pill or a massage...........



I picture you right now with paint brush balled up into a fist; paint strewn about on your walls, clothes, hair and face; hair all in disarray; and you bouncing off the walls!!



But this is politics as usual............ :lol:



.............sadly.



I need to channel better. I have been writing letters.



I should be more like Jackson.

Randi is proving my point true.











Comment by Raine on 02/14/2008 20:29:26
VJ is right... i am spewing paint! not the creativity I really want! (#%#$)%#(($!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Comment by velveeta jones on 02/14/2008 20:30:13
Hey the Coach for the Patriots has been making tapes since 2000, according to my yahoo news.................

Tapes were destroyed. Wonder were he got that idea?? hmmmmm?

Comment by Raine on 02/14/2008 20:33:48
THEY walked out. NOT our side.



THEY walked.



THEY did this.



In this FISA vote,the House did the right thing. They need to SHOW he backbone they say they have and fnot cave.



JUST ONCE... PLEASE DO NOT CAVE!!!

Comment by Will in Chicago on 02/14/2008 20:58:02
Quote by Raine: THEY walked out. NOT our side.



THEY walked.



THEY did this.



In this FISA vote,the House did the right thing. They need to SHOW he backbone they say they have and fnot cave.



JUST ONCE... PLEASE DO NOT CAVE!!!




Let us hope that this is the case. If they can find some courage now, they may find more later.



By the way, the UNN Daily Headlines are done for today.



Comment by Will in Chicago on 02/14/2008 21:00:48
By the way, in more news of outrages against women:



Saudis to execute a woman for witchcraft.



Well, it seems that the GOP is grandstanding and the Dems in the House are standing firm.



Perhaps we are seeing the Democrats wake up and realize that they are strong. About time.





Comment by velveeta jones on 02/14/2008 21:02:39
Quote by Raine: THEY walked out. NOT our side.



THEY walked.



THEY did this.



In this FISA vote,the House did the right thing. They need to SHOW he backbone they say they have and fnot cave.



JUST ONCE... PLEASE DO NOT CAVE!!!




Breath and Paint, child................Paint.............om, ommmmm, ommmmmm, om



Free Smiley Face Courtesy of www.FreeSmileys.org

Comment by shelaghc on 02/14/2008 21:03:47
Quote by starling310: I will say this about Randi. . . I love having her on when sh*t is hitting the fan.







Mike Malloy will be great to listen to tonight too!



Comment by Grumpymann on 02/14/2008 21:08:29
Quote by Raine: THEY walked out. NOT our side.



THEY walked.



THEY did this.



In this FISA vote,the House did the right thing. They need to SHOW he backbone they say they have and fnot cave.



JUST ONCE... PLEASE DO NOT CAVE!!!
NOW can I question their humanity?



Comment by Will in Chicago on 02/14/2008 21:12:29
You might want to look at this from Crooks and Liars:



Crybaby Boehner and Republicans walk out of Congress

Comment by BobR on 02/14/2008 21:15:34
They had the vote anyway:

On a vote of 223-to-32 House Democrats succeeded in passing the contempt charges against White House Chief of Staff Josh Bolten and former counsel Harriet Miers, after Republicans walked out in protest.






Comment by Grumpymann on 02/14/2008 21:17:22
Quote by will in chicago: You might want to look at this from Crooks and Liars:



Crybaby Boehner and Republicans walk out of Congress


WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA



Comment by Will in Chicago on 02/14/2008 21:23:11
Quote by Grumpymann:
Quote by will in chicago: You might want to look at this from Crooks and Liars:



Crybaby Boehner and Republicans walk out of Congress


WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA





Do we give this baby a bottle (or what, bourbon) and a comfortable job as a lobbyist to stop him crying?

Comment by Grumpymann on 02/14/2008 21:26:34
Quote by will in chicago:
Quote by Grumpymann:
Quote by will in chicago: You might want to look at this from Crooks and Liars:



Crybaby Boehner and Republicans walk out of Congress


WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA





Do we give this baby a bottle (or what, bourbon) and a comfortable job as a lobbyist to stop him crying?
I say treat them like the sick dogs they all are.



(Not for this but the interruption of the memorial)



Comment by Will in Chicago on 02/14/2008 22:10:49
Damn! Reports of a shooting in DeKalb at Northern Illinois University - I have to go there in a few weeks for a job fair for Chicago area educators.



Gunman reported shooting on Illinois campus

Comment by BobR on 02/14/2008 22:20:45
Comment by TriSec on 02/14/2008 22:22:09
Oh...my...GOD! :thud:



Maine Scenic Airways (Belfast, ME):



Pilot Ground School

Sport ~ Recreational ~ Private Pilot

12 Class Course

Wednesdays, February 13 - April 30, 2008

at Belfast Airport from 6:30 - 9:00pm

Tuition: $165





Compare to about $4,000 here at Hanscom Field....





Comment by Will in Chicago on 02/14/2008 22:29:59
Damn! Reports of a shooting in DeKalb at Northern Illinois University - I have to go there in a few weeks for a job fair for Chicago area educators.



Gunman reported shooting on Illinois campus

Comment by Will in Chicago on 02/14/2008 22:30:44
Okay, why is the blog repeating my posts?

Comment by Raine on 02/14/2008 23:07:08
Quote by will in chicago: Okay, why is the blog repeating my posts?


Fixxity fix.



Sometimes she gets a little ornery!







Comment by shelaghc on 02/14/2008 23:22:40
Potentially a stupid question:



Which side of the jigger is one ounce?......



Comment by BobR on 02/14/2008 23:46:34
Quote by shelaghc: Potentially a stupid question:



Which side of the jigger is one ounce?......



the smaller one.

Comment by BobR on 02/14/2008 23:47:20
Quote by will in chicago: Okay, why is the blog repeating my posts?


must be "operator error"... :spank:

Comment by shelaghc on 02/14/2008 23:50:04
Quote by BobR:
Quote by shelaghc: Potentially a stupid question:



Which side of the jigger is one ounce?......



the smaller one.




Whoopsie! *That's* why my mudslide was so damn strong!







Comment by livingonli on 02/15/2008 00:02:21
I'm back. Did anyone miss me?



It seems like I missed the fun with the Republican crybabies. They need a bottle and to be burped.

Actually, they need to be disciplined.



Although there are some Rethug Congressmen who probably get turned on by that.

Comment by Raine on 02/15/2008 00:45:44
Quote by shelaghc:
Quote by BobR:
Quote by shelaghc: Potentially a stupid question:



Which side of the jigger is one ounce?......



the smaller one.




Whoopsie! *That's* why my mudslide was so damn strong!





:rofl:



Comment by Raine on 02/15/2008 00:46:56
Going out to get a bite to eat... I will be back!



(promise or threat --- take it as you will)





Comment by starling310 on 02/15/2008 00:48:17
Quote by shelaghc:
Quote by BobR:
Quote by shelaghc: Potentially a stupid question:



Which side of the jigger is one ounce?......



the smaller one.




Whoopsie! *That's* why my mudslide was so damn strong!













Comment by livingonli on 02/15/2008 01:07:24
Keith is going to have another special comment tonight on Bush and his use of the boogeyman again.

Comment by Mondobubba on 02/15/2008 01:12:23
Quote by livingonli: I'm back. Did anyone miss me?



It seems like I missed the fun with the Republican crybabies. They need a bottle and to be burped.

Actually, they need to be disciplined.



Although there are some Rethug Congressmen who probably get turned on by that.





I know what I will be buying The Boner tomorrow. Baby needs a rattle, a pacifier and a blankee!

Comment by livingonli on 02/15/2008 01:39:13
Keith Olbermann caleed George Bush a Fascist.

Comment by Mondobubba on 02/15/2008 01:40:28
Keith is getting me hard! He called Bush a liar!

Comment by Mondobubba on 02/15/2008 01:41:28
Oh GODDDDD! Mggghmmmmmm so good KO!

Comment by Mondobubba on 02/15/2008 01:55:33
Richard Lewis

Comment by TriSec on 02/15/2008 02:33:22
:ph34r:



Comment by livingonli on 02/15/2008 02:48:19
Hi, Tri. Hope the cat hasn't caught your tongue.

Comment by Mondobubba on 02/15/2008 03:33:47
Two words: Repo Man! :rofl:

Comment by shelaghc on 02/15/2008 03:35:05
Saw Keith via C&L just a few minutes ago.



I almost did a spit-take when he used the "F" word to describe the shrub!



Momma's gonna have some *real* competition for that future husband now!





Comment by shelaghc on 02/15/2008 03:36:54
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by livingonli: I'm back. Did anyone miss me?



It seems like I missed the fun with the Republican crybabies. They need a bottle and to be burped.

Actually, they need to be disciplined.



Although there are some Rethug Congressmen who probably get turned on by that.





I know what I will be buying The Boner tomorrow. Baby needs a rattle, a pacifier and a blankee!




Maybe one of the websites will sponsor a mass effort to send such things to the whinging babies. Pelosi *finally* called their bluff.



About damn time too.