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There is No Debate
Author: Raine
Date: 10/04/2012 13:02:52
Last night was an unmitigated disaster, this is clear. One man was desperate on that stage last night.
I believe the other man, the incumbent President, came to debate issues and facts. That is impossible to do when the opponent tells flat out lies to the American people. It's impossible to debate a lie unless there is acknowledgement of said lie.
Josh Marshall has an interesting take on last night: Romney came across as an overly aggressive man. It was the style of this debate that people are discussing today, and it was ugly. The man has no substance. None. He was a salesman debating a professor. Mitt Romney came to debate things that aren't real in order to get you to buy his product.
The facts will come back to haunt Romney. While there are people out there that will declare Mitt Romney as the winner, I say it is a sad state of affairs in this nation when we declare pure unadulterated lying as winning. If people really want to change this country, it might be a good place to start by not celebrating deceit, disrespect and bullying behavior. This is NOT a win. Not for anyone. We all deserve better than what we saw last night. For all the practicing and all the studying, this is what we got:
THAT is what happened last night. This wasn't a debate, this was a mess. Lehrer lost control of it less than a half hour in, and there was no turning back. Telling a lie is one thing, getting away with a lie is another. Style vs.Substance. Romney's substance was full of lies all night:
and 
Raine
I believe the other man, the incumbent President, came to debate issues and facts. That is impossible to do when the opponent tells flat out lies to the American people. It's impossible to debate a lie unless there is acknowledgement of said lie.
Josh Marshall has an interesting take on last night:
The Obama team isn’t going to try to get into a fight about whether their guy was on his game. There’s no point. (This is what I meant a couple days ago when I said Obama is not a great debater. Not a great night. But I’ve never seen him great at debating.) What I fully expect, what they’ll do if they’re smart is go full court press on Romney’s numbers and press for details about his budget plan.
The numbers simply don’t add up. Over a few news cycles that can build up really fast. He says he’ll push massive upper income tax cuts and those have to come at the cost of much higher deficits or big tax hikes for middle income people. His campaign agenda is based on a massive deception.
That’s the vulnerability Romney brings out of this debate. And it may be bigger than people realize.
The facts will come back to haunt Romney. While there are people out there that will declare Mitt Romney as the winner, I say it is a sad state of affairs in this nation when we declare pure unadulterated lying as winning. If people really want to change this country, it might be a good place to start by not celebrating deceit, disrespect and bullying behavior. This is NOT a win. Not for anyone. We all deserve better than what we saw last night. For all the practicing and all the studying, this is what we got:
THAT is what happened last night. This wasn't a debate, this was a mess. Lehrer lost control of it less than a half hour in, and there was no turning back. Telling a lie is one thing, getting away with a lie is another. Style vs.Substance. Romney's substance was full of lies all night:
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Comment by 
wickedpam on 10/04/2012 13:08:48
wickedpam on 10/04/2012 13:08:48
Morning 
I have debate hangover
I have debate hangover
Comment by 
TriSec on 10/04/2012 13:12:27
TriSec on 10/04/2012 13:12:27
Morning, comrades.
Unfortunately, I have to consider myself in the Romney "won" camp. But that's more because Jim Lehrer lost control in the first 15-minute segment and Mitt jumped in the driver's seat. The same exact thing happened at the Warren/Brown debate with David Gregory, and again I think the Republican "won" that one.
I'm as big a political geek as anyone here, and last night was truly painful to watch. I already have seen some right-wing news sites this morning declaring Romney the "more agressive" candidate last night. Bullying, Rude, and not following the rules would be seen as "more agressive", yes.
Of course Media Matters has debunked every word that has come out of Romney's mouth already, but except for us hardcore geeks, the vast majority of unwashed heathens out there isn't going to care about that.
What a sorry state of affairs this has become. Lincoln and Douglas are both spinning in their sarcophogi this morning, I'm sure.
Unfortunately, I have to consider myself in the Romney "won" camp. But that's more because Jim Lehrer lost control in the first 15-minute segment and Mitt jumped in the driver's seat. The same exact thing happened at the Warren/Brown debate with David Gregory, and again I think the Republican "won" that one.
I'm as big a political geek as anyone here, and last night was truly painful to watch. I already have seen some right-wing news sites this morning declaring Romney the "more agressive" candidate last night. Bullying, Rude, and not following the rules would be seen as "more agressive", yes.
Of course Media Matters has debunked every word that has come out of Romney's mouth already, but except for us hardcore geeks, the vast majority of unwashed heathens out there isn't going to care about that.
What a sorry state of affairs this has become. Lincoln and Douglas are both spinning in their sarcophogi this morning, I'm sure.
Comment by 
Raine on 10/04/2012 13:20:46
I added another video to the blog.
You can say that Mitt won the same way you can say the winner of American idol is the new superstar.
Raine on 10/04/2012 13:20:46
I added another video to the blog. You can say that Mitt won the same way you can say the winner of American idol is the new superstar.
Comment by wickedpam on 10/04/2012 13:23:13
wickedpam on 10/04/2012 13:23:13
Raine check ya email 
Comment by Raine on 10/04/2012 13:24:18
was it sent last night?
Raine on 10/04/2012 13:24:18
Quote by wickedpam:
Raine check ya email
Comment by Raine on 10/04/2012 13:26:06
it has arrived....
Raine on 10/04/2012 13:26:06
Quote by Raine:was it sent last night?Quote by wickedpam:
Raine check ya email
Comment by TriSec on 10/04/2012 13:26:29
TriSec on 10/04/2012 13:26:29
Say, Mitt never landed a "zinger" last night, did he?
Swing and a miss!
Swing and a miss!
Comment by 
trojanrabbit on 10/04/2012 13:27:39
trojanrabbit on 10/04/2012 13:27:39
I have a massive headache this morning.
That was painful to watch. AFAIC all 3 did their masters bidding last night. Give Mittbot's latest firmware upgrade a chance to get him back in it. It matters not how many lies and deceptions Mitt threw out that were utterly unchallenged by Obama but will be caught by the fact-checkers. The people that need to see the fact-checks will not see them.
Lehrer TOTALLY deserved Mitt telling him to his face that he intends to do away with PBS (and Lehrer's job), however dickish that was.
That was painful to watch. AFAIC all 3 did their masters bidding last night. Give Mittbot's latest firmware upgrade a chance to get him back in it. It matters not how many lies and deceptions Mitt threw out that were utterly unchallenged by Obama but will be caught by the fact-checkers. The people that need to see the fact-checks will not see them.
Lehrer TOTALLY deserved Mitt telling him to his face that he intends to do away with PBS (and Lehrer's job), however dickish that was.
Comment by Raine on 10/04/2012 13:27:47
He's gonna kill big bird.
Raine on 10/04/2012 13:27:47
Quote by TriSec:
Say, Mitt never landed a "zinger" last night, did he?
Swing and a miss!
Comment by wickedpam on 10/04/2012 13:28:31
cool
wickedpam on 10/04/2012 13:28:31
Quote by Raine:it has arrived....Quote by Raine:was it sent last night?Quote by wickedpam:
Raine check ya email
cool
Comment by trojanrabbit on 10/04/2012 13:28:50
trojanrabbit on 10/04/2012 13:28:50
Tom Lehrer would have made a much better moderator.
Comment by 
Scoopster on 10/04/2012 13:33:09
Scoopster on 10/04/2012 13:33:09
Mornin' all! 
So I was able to watch the debate last night at the sleep clinic. They had me wired up before it started, but I wasn't connected until after. Probably a good thing because the signals coming from my brain probably would've blown out their equipment!
So I was able to watch the debate last night at the sleep clinic. They had me wired up before it started, but I wasn't connected until after. Probably a good thing because the signals coming from my brain probably would've blown out their equipment!
Comment by 
Mondobubba on 10/04/2012 13:34:01
Mondobubba on 10/04/2012 13:34:01
I agree with Tri.
Comment by TriSec on 10/04/2012 13:40:12
TriSec on 10/04/2012 13:40:12
Going to the White House now:
Dear Mr. President:
I will be very direct; the time has come for you to resign as honorary President of the Boy Scouts of America.
I am a lifelong member of this organization myself, and I have had a very difficult time over the last few years reconciling the tolerance, compassion, and service that I teach to our youth with the blatant hate and homophobia espoused by our national leadership.
You have been a true leader in the LGBT community…from defending civil rights, to ending “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tellâ€, and working for marriage equality via the DNC’s platform this year.
It’s inexplicable to me how you can remain, even as an honorary member of the Boy Scouts. These things that you defend as President are incompatible with the current direction of the Boy Scouts. This has happened to me recently – I’ve had my own honour and integrity questioned by the mere fact of wearing the uniform. People will slowly begin to see the same thing in the Oval Office, and this cannot happen.
Additionally, it is perhaps time for you to ask Congress to rescind the Boy Scout’s national charter. As I’m sure you’re aware, every year the Congress charters the BSA to operate in the United States. It may be more symbolic than anything else, but for the government of the United States to continue to annually sanction the operating principles of what has become a hate group is utterly astonishing to me.
Please consider this strongly, Mr. President. This will send a clear message to the Boy Scouts, as well as other exclusionary and hateful groups that such discrimination is not allowed or tolerated in these United States.
Sincerely, ME!
Comment by Scoopster on 10/04/2012 13:42:53
Scoopster on 10/04/2012 13:42:53
Okay here's my take on the debate - I don't think ANYONE won, but if I had to pick someone it'd be Rmoney by default. Obama was clearly out of his element and/or nervous, and only once did he challenge one of Rmoney's repeated lying. Both candidates shoved the moderator out of the way, tho Rmoney did so more forcefully because he HAD TO. Unfortunately for him he came off looking like a whiny bully at the times when he wasn't lying his ass off, and that was clearly not presidential.
And now here is a funny pic:
And now here is a funny pic:
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/04/2012 13:45:52
Well said, good sir. I know this was from the heart and very difficult for you to say.
Mondobubba on 10/04/2012 13:45:52
Quote by TriSec:
Going to the White House now:
Dear Mr. President:
I will be very direct; the time has come for you to resign as honorary President of the Boy Scouts of America.
I am a lifelong member of this organization myself, and I have had a very difficult time over the last few years reconciling the tolerance, compassion, and service that I teach to our youth with the blatant hate and homophobia espoused by our national leadership.
You have been a true leader in the LGBT community…from defending civil rights, to ending “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tellâ€Â, and working for marriage equality via the DNC’s platform this year.
It’s inexplicable to me how you can remain, even as an honorary member of the Boy Scouts. These things that you defend as President are incompatible with the current direction of the Boy Scouts. This has happened to me recently – I’ve had my own honour and integrity questioned by the mere fact of wearing the uniform. People will slowly begin to see the same thing in the Oval Office, and this cannot happen.
Additionally, it is perhaps time for you to ask Congress to rescind the Boy Scout’s national charter. As I’m sure you’re aware, every year the Congress charters the BSA to operate in the United States. It may be more symbolic than anything else, but for the government of the United States to continue to annually sanction the operating principles of what has become a hate group is utterly astonishing to me.
Please consider this strongly, Mr. President. This will send a clear message to the Boy Scouts, as well as other exclusionary and hateful groups that such discrimination is not allowed or tolerated in these United States.
Sincerely, ME!
Well said, good sir. I know this was from the heart and very difficult for you to say.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/04/2012 13:47:30
Today's earworm. :snaps fingers:
Mondobubba on 10/04/2012 13:47:30
Today's earworm. :snaps fingers:
Comment by Raine on 10/04/2012 13:54:17
Raine on 10/04/2012 13:54:17
Once again:
Eligible Virginia registered voters generally can download an application here or contact your local Voter Registration Office to request an absentee ballot application. You can return the completed application to your local voter registration office by either mail or fax. The absentee ballot application must be received in your local voter registration office by 5:00 PM eastern standard time on the Tuesday prior to the election day in which the applicant wants to vote.
Eligible Virginia registered voters generally can download an application here or contact your local Voter Registration Office to request an absentee ballot application. You can return the completed application to your local voter registration office by either mail or fax. The absentee ballot application must be received in your local voter registration office by 5:00 PM eastern standard time on the Tuesday prior to the election day in which the applicant wants to vote.
Comment by wickedpam on 10/04/2012 13:54:57
yes, you'll notice the official Richmond addresses at different from what's on the mailer.
wickedpam on 10/04/2012 13:54:57
Quote by Raine:
Mala, this is the VA absentee voter reg form.
yes, you'll notice the official Richmond addresses at different from what's on the mailer.
Comment by wickedpam on 10/04/2012 13:56:04
am I interpreting something wrong then?
wickedpam on 10/04/2012 13:56:04
Quote by Raine:
Once again:
Eligible Virginia registered voters generally can download an application here or contact your local Voter Registration Office to request an absentee ballot application. You can return the completed application to your local voter registration office by either mail or fax. The absentee ballot application must be received in your local voter registration office by 5:00 PM eastern standard time on the Tuesday prior to the election day in which the applicant wants to vote.
am I interpreting something wrong then?
Comment by Raine on 10/04/2012 13:56:14
I think that this needs to be brought up with the fairfax county board of elections.
Raine on 10/04/2012 13:56:14
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
Mala, this is the VA absentee voter reg form.
yes, you'll notice the official Richmond addresses at different from what's on the mailer.
Comment by Raine on 10/04/2012 13:57:13
The mailer is asking people to send the application into the GOP office.
Now let me ask you this, was the person who got this in the mail a dem or a Republican?
Raine on 10/04/2012 13:57:13
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
Once again:
Eligible Virginia registered voters generally can download an application here or contact your local Voter Registration Office to request an absentee ballot application. You can return the completed application to your local voter registration office by either mail or fax. The absentee ballot application must be received in your local voter registration office by 5:00 PM eastern standard time on the Tuesday prior to the election day in which the applicant wants to vote.
am I interpreting something wrong then?
Now let me ask you this, was the person who got this in the mail a dem or a Republican?
Comment by wickedpam on 10/04/2012 13:58:15
Fairfax?
wickedpam on 10/04/2012 13:58:15
Quote by Raine:I think that this needs to be brought up with the fairfax county board of elections.Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
Mala, this is the VA absentee voter reg form.
yes, you'll notice the official Richmond addresses at different from what's on the mailer.
Fairfax?
Comment by wickedpam on 10/04/2012 14:00:44
From what I was told - it was mailed to a mixed political home - husband a Repub, wife a Dem she blacked out the name of who it was specifically mailed too. Since I didn't get one, and it was mailed to someone in Manassas, I'm going to guess it was to a Repub
wickedpam on 10/04/2012 14:00:44
Quote by Raine:The mailer is asking people to send the application into the GOP office.Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
Once again:
Eligible Virginia registered voters generally can download an application here or contact your local Voter Registration Office to request an absentee ballot application. You can return the completed application to your local voter registration office by either mail or fax. The absentee ballot application must be received in your local voter registration office by 5:00 PM eastern standard time on the Tuesday prior to the election day in which the applicant wants to vote.
am I interpreting something wrong then?
Now let me ask you this, was the person who got this in the mail a dem or a Republican?
From what I was told - it was mailed to a mixed political home - husband a Repub, wife a Dem she blacked out the name of who it was specifically mailed too. Since I didn't get one, and it was mailed to someone in Manassas, I'm going to guess it was to a Repub
Comment by Raine on 10/04/2012 14:01:45
Isn't that your county?
Raine on 10/04/2012 14:01:45
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:I think that this needs to be brought up with the fairfax county board of elections.Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
Mala, this is the VA absentee voter reg form.
yes, you'll notice the official Richmond addresses at different from what's on the mailer.
Fairfax?
Isn't that your county?
Comment by Raine on 10/04/2012 14:02:12
Ok, your local BOE. 
Raine on 10/04/2012 14:02:12
Quote by Raine:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:I think that this needs to be brought up with the fairfax county board of elections.Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
Mala, this is the VA absentee voter reg form.
yes, you'll notice the official Richmond addresses at different from what's on the mailer.
Fairfax?
Isn't that your county?
Comment by Raine on 10/04/2012 14:03:12
Raine on 10/04/2012 14:03:12
That it was sent to a mixed home tells me something. I think they are hoping to get dems registered -- possibly illegally.
Comment by wickedpam on 10/04/2012 14:03:50
City of Manassas, we are independant
wickedpam on 10/04/2012 14:03:50
Quote by Raine:Ok, your local BOE.Quote by Raine:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:I think that this needs to be brought up with the fairfax county board of elections.Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
Mala, this is the VA absentee voter reg form.
yes, you'll notice the official Richmond addresses at different from what's on the mailer.
Fairfax?
Isn't that your county?
City of Manassas, we are independant
Comment by wickedpam on 10/04/2012 14:05:22
That was the concern. That people would mail it to them and they could pull out the ones they didn't like.
Oh, we were told a complaint was registered but I'll double check
wickedpam on 10/04/2012 14:05:22
Quote by Raine:
That it was sent to a mixed home tells me something. I think they are hoping to get dems registered -- possibly illegally.
That was the concern. That people would mail it to them and they could pull out the ones they didn't like.
Oh, we were told a complaint was registered but I'll double check
Comment by Raine on 10/04/2012 14:25:32
Raine on 10/04/2012 14:25:32
MAla I am forwarding this information to a friend that has contacts with the VA Board of elections.
Would you like to be included in the e mail?
Would you like to be included in the e mail?
Comment by wickedpam on 10/04/2012 14:28:40
Sure you can cc me.
wickedpam on 10/04/2012 14:28:40
Quote by Raine:
MAla I am forwarding this information to a friend that has contacts with the VA Board of elections.
Would you like to be included in the e mail?
Sure you can cc me.
Comment by 
Will in Chicago on 10/04/2012 14:30:21
Will in Chicago on 10/04/2012 14:30:21
Raine, thanks for a great blog after a painful debate.
I think that a ground squirrel or an empty chair would have been more effective than Jim Lehrer. Romney bullied his way to victory, and Obama needed to respond with facts and passion.
TriSec, your letter shows courage but I do not think that Obama will move on this, if at all, until after the election.
Stephanie Miller mentioned the article earlier, but let me post this piece from Alternet:
I think that a ground squirrel or an empty chair would have been more effective than Jim Lehrer. Romney bullied his way to victory, and Obama needed to respond with facts and passion.
TriSec, your letter shows courage but I do not think that Obama will move on this, if at all, until after the election.
Stephanie Miller mentioned the article earlier, but let me post this piece from Alternet:
Alternet/ By Adele M. Stan
Why That Crappy Presidential Debate Won't Change Anyone's Mind
With only a sliver of the electorate undecided on its candidate, the 2012 debates are not about persuading voters.
October 4, 2012 |
By most accounts, Wednesday night’s presidential debate was one of the worst anybody could remember. Moderator Jim Lehrer, anchor of the PBS NewsHour, seemed largely absent, President Barack Obama brought little fight to the game , and Republican challenger Mitt Romney, the former Massachusetts governor, presented a pile of lies that were left either unchallenged or ineffectively countered.
Add to that the barrage of numbers issued by each candidate, and you have the recipe for a very boring and dispiriting debate. And it was.
This first presidential debate in a series of three (heaven help us), which took place at the Magness Arena on the campus of the University of Denver, probably didn’t change many minds. Election 2012 finds a more highly polarized electorate than normal; only 6 percent or so of voters are deemed “persuadable†by pollsters, and it’s unlikely that a majority of those undecided voters were even watching the debate.
On our highly polarized political landscape, debates are fought for the amusement of media industrial complex, and not for the voters. It’s part of the media’s jobs program for campaign consultants and former consultants who become ubiquitous on television as “expert†interpreters of what viewers witnessed on the debate stage.
Comment by Raine on 10/04/2012 14:49:14
as they say, Shite just got real!
Raine on 10/04/2012 14:49:14
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
MAla I am forwarding this information to a friend that has contacts with the VA Board of elections.
Would you like to be included in the e mail?
Sure you can cc me.
Comment by wickedpam on 10/04/2012 14:51:42
Can't wait to hear what they say
wickedpam on 10/04/2012 14:51:42
Quote by Raine:as they say, Shite just got real!Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
MAla I am forwarding this information to a friend that has contacts with the VA Board of elections.
Would you like to be included in the e mail?
Sure you can cc me.
Can't wait to hear what they say
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/04/2012 14:51:45
Mondobubba on 10/04/2012 14:51:45
Now that I have a few minutes to think and comment, here's what I've got to say.
Mitt likes Big Bird, but wants to cut the subsidy for PBS? That .010% cut of the discrectionary budget is gonna come back to bit Mittbot on the backside. Frankly all of the shit Mittbot was spewing the 36 minutes I managed to watch (don't judge me! So I wanted to see the Sox flame out in the last get of the season) is going to be lovingly crafted into ads. Those adds are going to have Mittbot's BS and then the finely fact checked reality. Mitt might have looked like a winner, but in the cold light of day, not so much.
Mitt likes Big Bird, but wants to cut the subsidy for PBS? That .010% cut of the discrectionary budget is gonna come back to bit Mittbot on the backside. Frankly all of the shit Mittbot was spewing the 36 minutes I managed to watch (don't judge me! So I wanted to see the Sox flame out in the last get of the season) is going to be lovingly crafted into ads. Those adds are going to have Mittbot's BS and then the finely fact checked reality. Mitt might have looked like a winner, but in the cold light of day, not so much.
Comment by Raine on 10/04/2012 14:52:23
There was no way to polish a turd and I wasn't going to try in the today's blog.
Lehrer lost control of that petulant hyperactive mean-spirited child last night. I honestly don't blame the President for not stooping to that level.
Raine on 10/04/2012 14:52:23
Quote by Will in Chicago:
Raine, thanks for a great blog after a painful debate.
I think that a ground squirrel or an empty chair would have been more effective than Jim Lehrer. Romney bullied his way to victory, and Obama needed to respond with facts and passion.
Lehrer lost control of that petulant hyperactive mean-spirited child last night. I honestly don't blame the President for not stooping to that level.
Comment by Raine on 10/04/2012 14:53:51
I know you can't watch youtube at work, but I included the first 2 rapid response ads in the blog. I think he may have won this round, but as a friend said last night: Obama plays long ball.
You are correct sir.
Raine on 10/04/2012 14:53:51
Quote by Mondobubba:
Now that I have a few minutes to think and comment, here's what I've got to say.
Mitt likes Big Bird, but wants to cut the subsidy for PBS? That .010% cut of the discrectionary budget is gonna come back to bit Mittbot on the backside. Frankly all of the shit Mittbot was spewing the 36 minutes I managed to watch (don't judge me! So I wanted to see the Sox flame out in the last get of the season) is going to be lovingly crafted into ads. Those adds are going to have Mittbot's BS and then the finely fact checked reality. Mitt might have looked like a winner, but in the cold light of day, not so much.
I know you can't watch youtube at work, but I included the first 2 rapid response ads in the blog. I think he may have won this round, but as a friend said last night: Obama plays long ball.
You are correct sir.
Comment by TriSec on 10/04/2012 14:58:18
TriSec on 10/04/2012 14:58:18
*ting*
Hmm....So, Mitt is the St. Louis Cardinals to Obama's Yankees?
(Of course, that was NL "small ball" at it's best when Tony La Russa was managing, but you get the idea.)
Hmm....So, Mitt is the St. Louis Cardinals to Obama's Yankees?
(Of course, that was NL "small ball" at it's best when Tony La Russa was managing, but you get the idea.)
Comment by Raine on 10/04/2012 15:00:21
I just realized I mixed my sports metaphors.... 
Raine on 10/04/2012 15:00:21
Quote by TriSec:
*ting*
Hmm....So, Mitt is the St. Louis Cardinals to Obama's Yankees?
(Of course, that was NL "small ball" at it's best when Tony La Russa was managing, but you get the idea.)
Comment by TriSec on 10/04/2012 15:09:12
TriSec on 10/04/2012 15:09:12
If Obama is going to play this series like the Yankees, I'll gladly don a NY hat.
Well, actually no, it would make my scalp burst into flame. Chemo didn't do it, I'd rather keep my hair, thanks.
Well, actually no, it would make my scalp burst into flame. Chemo didn't do it, I'd rather keep my hair, thanks.
Comment by Raine on 10/04/2012 15:21:00
Raine on 10/04/2012 15:21:00
This was really inappropriate:
Deploying Twitter-speak, KitchenAid sent this message:
WTF?
Deploying Twitter-speak, KitchenAid sent this message:
"Obamas gma even knew it was going 2 b bad! 'She died 3 days b4 he became president."
WTF?
Comment by wickedpam on 10/04/2012 15:26:09
and now I"m glad my mixer is a kenmore
wickedpam on 10/04/2012 15:26:09
Quote by Raine:
This was really inappropriate:
Deploying Twitter-speak, KitchenAid sent this message:"Obamas gma even knew it was going 2 b bad! 'She died 3 days b4 he became president."
WTF?
and now I"m glad my mixer is a kenmore
Comment by 
BobR on 10/04/2012 15:55:58
They blamed it on an employee accidentally using the corporate login. They apologized and said that person won't be tweeting for them anymore. I'll take them at their word on that.
BobR on 10/04/2012 15:55:58
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
This was really inappropriate:
Deploying Twitter-speak, KitchenAid sent this message:"Obamas gma even knew it was going 2 b bad! 'She died 3 days b4 he became president."
WTF?
and now I"m glad my mixer is a kenmore
They blamed it on an employee accidentally using the corporate login. They apologized and said that person won't be tweeting for them anymore. I'll take them at their word on that.
Comment by Scoopster on 10/04/2012 15:56:53
Scoopster on 10/04/2012 15:56:53
Comment by TriSec on 10/04/2012 16:05:31
And they are to be named ROWRP. (Really old white Republican persons).
TriSec on 10/04/2012 16:05:31
Quote by Scoopster:
New 'conservative seniors' group formed to challenge AARP
Uhh, yeah, whatever.
And they are to be named ROWRP. (Really old white Republican persons).
Comment by trojanrabbit on 10/04/2012 16:08:56
They should have said that person won't be WORKING for them anymore.
trojanrabbit on 10/04/2012 16:08:56
Quote by BobR:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
This was really inappropriate:
Deploying Twitter-speak, KitchenAid sent this message:"Obamas gma even knew it was going 2 b bad! 'She died 3 days b4 he became president."
WTF?
and now I"m glad my mixer is a kenmore
They blamed it on an employee accidentally using the corporate login. They apologized and said that person won't be tweeting for them anymore. I'll take them at their word on that.
They should have said that person won't be WORKING for them anymore.
Comment by 
livingonli on 10/04/2012 16:10:09
livingonli on 10/04/2012 16:10:09
Good day, folks: I stuck through most of the debate although towards the end I just left it on the radio while I surfed through what was left of baseball season and saw the Yankees kill the Red Sox in a blaze of glory and the O's having to accept having to go through the one and done round on Friday for the chance to play the Yankees in what was considered the first round of the playoffs:
While Romney won the debate, he won it through bullying and lying his ass off while Lehrer basically sat there (note my comments last night about the potted plant): I guess the only question is how many people also followed the fact-checking after the debate where Romney did not fare so well:
While Romney won the debate, he won it through bullying and lying his ass off while Lehrer basically sat there (note my comments last night about the potted plant): I guess the only question is how many people also followed the fact-checking after the debate where Romney did not fare so well:
Comment by TriSec on 10/04/2012 16:23:20
TriSec on 10/04/2012 16:23:20
So, the industry was for Obamacare before they were against it...
The health insurance industry presented itself as a key ally of President Barack Obama’s health care law while at the same time making hefty contributions to members of Congress who are trying to get rid of it, according to contribution records.
Between January of 2007 and August of 2012, the political action committees of the 11 largest health insurance companies and their primary trade group gave $10.2 million to federal politicians, with nearly two-thirds of the total going to Republicans who oppose the law or support its repeal, according to the Center for Public Integrity’s analysis of Federal Election Commission filings.
The 11 top companies, according to the Fortune 500 list, controlled 35 percent of the industry in 2011, according to data from the National Association of Insurance Commissioners. The top industry trade group is America’s Health Insurance Plans.
Comment by trojanrabbit on 10/04/2012 16:28:03
Anyone (especially from Baltimore) who thought the Sox-Yankees game would go any differently when it was announced Matsuzaka was starting obviously have not been following baseball. Valentine couldn't have said "I don't give a crap" louder if he had 1 gigawatt PA system set to 11.
And as long as ownership cares more about their "sellout streak", selling bricks and tending to their racing and soccer teams, not much will change.
trojanrabbit on 10/04/2012 16:28:03
Quote by livingonli:
Good day, folks: I stuck through most of the debate although towards the end I just left it on the radio while I surfed through what was left of baseball season and saw the Yankees kill the Red Sox in a blaze of glory and the O's having to accept having to go through the one and done round on Friday for the chance to play the Yankees in what was considered the first round of the playoffs:
While Romney won the debate, he won it through bullying and lying his ass off while Lehrer basically sat there (note my comments last night about the potted plant): I guess the only question is how many people also followed the fact-checking after the debate where Romney did not fare so well:
Anyone (especially from Baltimore) who thought the Sox-Yankees game would go any differently when it was announced Matsuzaka was starting obviously have not been following baseball. Valentine couldn't have said "I don't give a crap" louder if he had 1 gigawatt PA system set to 11.
And as long as ownership cares more about their "sellout streak", selling bricks and tending to their racing and soccer teams, not much will change.
Comment by TriSec on 10/04/2012 16:31:49
TriSec on 10/04/2012 16:31:49
538.com
Just remember that the President is so far ahead right now that any post-debate bounce is not going to make up the 100 delegate lead he currently has in the electoral college.
Next debate is foreign policy, yes? He should win that one.
Just remember that the President is so far ahead right now that any post-debate bounce is not going to make up the 100 delegate lead he currently has in the electoral college.
Next debate is foreign policy, yes? He should win that one.
Comment by TriSec on 10/04/2012 16:36:13
TriSec on 10/04/2012 16:36:13
Say now, the President may have won last night after all.
Saw some interesting thoughts over on Newsvine.
"Rope-a-Dope". You could look it up.
And watch for the first ad with debate footage within 24 hours.
Saw some interesting thoughts over on Newsvine.
"Rope-a-Dope". You could look it up.
And watch for the first ad with debate footage within 24 hours.
Comment by trojanrabbit on 10/04/2012 16:39:38
Unless Mitt hijacks it and makes it a taxes/economy debate again. If he were "moderating" the next debate Lehrer would probably let him do it.
trojanrabbit on 10/04/2012 16:39:38
Quote by TriSec:
538.com
Just remember that the President is so far ahead right now that any post-debate bounce is not going to make up the 100 delegate lead he currently has in the electoral college.
Next debate is foreign policy, yes? He should win that one.
Unless Mitt hijacks it and makes it a taxes/economy debate again. If he were "moderating" the next debate Lehrer would probably let him do it.
Comment by Raine on 10/04/2012 16:53:56
Next debate is the town hall setting. foreign policy is that last one.
I'm thinking Obama will do well in the Town hall. And all I hope for in the last debate is that Romney doesn;t make the rest of the world go rioting.
Raine on 10/04/2012 16:53:56
Quote by TriSec:
538.com
Just remember that the President is so far ahead right now that any post-debate bounce is not going to make up the 100 delegate lead he currently has in the electoral college.
Next debate is foreign policy, yes? He should win that one.
I'm thinking Obama will do well in the Town hall. And all I hope for in the last debate is that Romney doesn;t make the rest of the world go rioting.
Comment by trojanrabbit on 10/04/2012 16:56:43
trojanrabbit on 10/04/2012 16:56:43
Bullying the moderator and making up his own rules is a dickish thing to do during a debate, but it's a loud and clear dog whistle to the typical low-information level, xenophobic Amurican.
You tell 'em Mitt! We won't let no furriners diktate to us. We do what we want and if you don't like it here's some bombs fur ya! USA USA USA
You tell 'em Mitt! We won't let no furriners diktate to us. We do what we want and if you don't like it here's some bombs fur ya! USA USA USA
Comment by TriSec on 10/04/2012 16:57:50
TriSec on 10/04/2012 16:57:50
Re-connecting with my effete, northeast, liberal, longhair, latte-drinkin' roots this afternoon.....
Comment by livingonli on 10/04/2012 16:58:44
livingonli on 10/04/2012 16:58:44
At least for me, the interesting thing is that the Town Hall debate marks the return to Hofstra this year like in '08: Wish us Alumnus could get tickets to the event but I would have to be off that night: The only problem is that in some circles, Candy Crowley has been critiqued as a right-wing tool and am wondering if her moderating abilities will be any better than Lehrer if she has a right-leaning bias:
Comment by TriSec on 10/04/2012 17:11:22
TriSec on 10/04/2012 17:11:22
A day I still wish I worked in the shadow of Fenway Park...
If the satellite trucks are lining Yawkey Way, he's fired. (but other sources say he won't survive the week anyway.)
BOSTON (CBS) – The Boston Red Sox and Bobby Valentine are currently meeting in Fenway Park, a source tells WBZ-TV’s Dan Roche.
The Boston brass, including general manager Ben Cherington and owner John Henry, is meeting with Valentine following the conclusion of a 69-93 season — the Red Sox’ worst since 1965 when the team lost 100 games.
If the satellite trucks are lining Yawkey Way, he's fired. (but other sources say he won't survive the week anyway.)
Comment by TriSec on 10/04/2012 17:36:59
TriSec on 10/04/2012 17:36:59
And now Boston.com is reporting that he's fired.
A heavy weight lifts from the century-old lyrical bandbox.
A heavy weight lifts from the century-old lyrical bandbox.
Comment by Raine on 10/04/2012 17:55:04
Raine on 10/04/2012 17:55:04
Personally I'm more disappointed in Jim Lehrer, but PBS has issued a statement about its disappointment in last nights debate.
Comment by Raine on 10/04/2012 17:58:52
b I hold little expectations for her.
I still think Obama will do well with a town hall. I would've loved to have gotten tickets for that one.
You'll recall OV McCain during that town hall in 08-- that was when we heard him say *That one* to the soon to Potus, and we got that Wonderful Green screen meme.
Good times, good times.
Raine on 10/04/2012 17:58:52
Quote by livingonli:
At least for me, the interesting thing is that the Town Hall debate marks the return to Hofstra this year like in '08: Wish us Alumnus could get tickets to the event but I would have to be off that night: The only problem is that in some circles, Candy Crowley has been critiqued as a right-wing tool and am wondering if her moderating abilities will be any better than Lehrer if she has a right-leaning bias:
I still think Obama will do well with a town hall. I would've loved to have gotten tickets for that one.
You'll recall OV McCain during that town hall in 08-- that was when we heard him say *That one* to the soon to Potus, and we got that Wonderful Green screen meme.
Good times, good times.
Comment by livingonli on 10/04/2012 18:02:31
It looks like everyone is trying to check it out because the PBS site crashed:
livingonli on 10/04/2012 18:02:31
Quote by Raine:
Personally I'm more disappointed in Jim Lehrer, but PBS has issued a statement about its disappointment in last nights debate.
It looks like everyone is trying to check it out because the PBS site crashed:
Comment by Raine on 10/04/2012 18:03:41
Raine on 10/04/2012 18:03:41
Comment by Raine on 10/04/2012 18:09:48
Raine on 10/04/2012 18:09:48
Quote by livingonli:Quote by Raine:
Personally I'm more disappointed in Jim Lehrer, but PBS has issued a statement about its disappointment in last nights debate.
It looks like everyone is trying to check it out because the PBS site crashed:
ARLINGTON, VA – October 4, 2012 – We are very disappointed that PBS became a political target in the Presidential debate last night. Governor Romney does not understand the value the American people place on public broadcasting and the outstanding return on investment the system delivers to our nation. We think it is important to set the record straight and let the facts speak for themselves.
The federal investment in public broadcasting equals about one one-hundredth of one percent of the federal budget. Elimination of funding would have virtually no impact on the nation’s debt. Yet the loss to the American public would be devastating.
A national survey by the bipartisan research firms of Hart Research and American Viewpoint in 2011 found that over two-thirds of American voters (69%) oppose proposals to eliminate government funding of public broadcasting, with Americans across the political spectrum against such a cut.
As a stated supporter of education, Governor Romney should be a champion of public broadcasting, yet he is willing to wipe out services that reach the vast majority of Americans, including underserved audiences, such as children who cannot attend preschool and citizens living in rural areas.
For more than 40 years, Big Bird has embodied the public broadcasting mission – harnessing the power of media for the good of every citizen, regardless of where they live or their ability to pay. Our system serves as a universally accessible resource for education, history, science, arts and civil discourse.
Over the course of a year, 91% of all U.S. television households tune in to their local PBS station. In fact, our service is watched by 81% of all children between the ages of 2-8.
Each day, the American public receives an enduring and daily return on investment that is heard, seen, read and experienced in public media broadcasts, apps, podcasts and online – all for the cost of about $1.35 per person per year.
Earlier in 2012, a Harris Interactive poll confirmed that Americans consider PBS the most trusted public institution and the second most valuable use of public funds, behind only national defense, for the 9th consecutive year.
A key thing to remember is that public television and radio stations are locally owned and community focused and they are experts in working efficiently to make limited resources produce results. In fact, for every $1.00 of federal funding invested, they raise an additional $6.00 on their own – a highly effective public-private partnership.
Numerous studies -- including one requested by Congress earlier this year -- have stated categorically that while the federal investment in public broadcasting is relatively modest, the absence of this critical seed money would cripple the system and bring its services to an end.
Comment by Raine on 10/04/2012 18:12:56
Raine on 10/04/2012 18:12:56
The NHL has just cancelled the first 2 games thru November 4. This doesn't bode well for the season.
Comment by TriSec on 10/04/2012 18:14:27
All the big names have already headed to the European leagues. They're not coming back, I would think.
They need to get this resolved pronto, or I think we'll be down one professional sports league next year.
TriSec on 10/04/2012 18:14:27
Quote by Raine:
The NHL has just cancelled the first 2 games thru November 4. This doesn't bode well for the season.
All the big names have already headed to the European leagues. They're not coming back, I would think.
They need to get this resolved pronto, or I think we'll be down one professional sports league next year.
Comment by Scoopster on 10/04/2012 18:18:19
Scoopster on 10/04/2012 18:18:19
Comment by Scoopster on 10/04/2012 18:19:51
Scoopster on 10/04/2012 18:19:51
That was quick..
Comment by trojanrabbit on 10/04/2012 18:24:29
They'll have outs in their contracts (because I suspect they'll be under contract to their NHL teams once a new CBA is signed) if the NHL comes back.
But the fact that so many players will be able to earn a paycheck elsewhere means there's no incentive for them to sign a bad CBA.
I've already heard the "replacement player" mantra.
trojanrabbit on 10/04/2012 18:24:29
Quote by TriSec:Quote by Raine:
The NHL has just cancelled the first 2 games thru November 4. This doesn't bode well for the season.
All the big names have already headed to the European leagues. They're not coming back, I would think.
They need to get this resolved pronto, or I think we'll be down one professional sports league next year.
They'll have outs in their contracts (because I suspect they'll be under contract to their NHL teams once a new CBA is signed) if the NHL comes back.
But the fact that so many players will be able to earn a paycheck elsewhere means there's no incentive for them to sign a bad CBA.
I've already heard the "replacement player" mantra.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 10/04/2012 18:57:01
I think that the Obama campaign should focus on showing Mitt's mendacity.
Will in Chicago on 10/04/2012 18:57:01
Quote by Scoopster:
That was quick..
I think that the Obama campaign should focus on showing Mitt's mendacity.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 10/04/2012 18:59:38
This is not good for the NHL. People are loyal to players and teams, not owners.
Will in Chicago on 10/04/2012 18:59:38
Quote by trojanrabbit:Quote by TriSec:Quote by Raine:
The NHL has just cancelled the first 2 games thru November 4. This doesn't bode well for the season.
All the big names have already headed to the European leagues. They're not coming back, I would think.
They need to get this resolved pronto, or I think we'll be down one professional sports league next year.
They'll have outs in their contracts (because I suspect they'll be under contract to their NHL teams once a new CBA is signed) if the NHL comes back.
But the fact that so many players will be able to earn a paycheck elsewhere means there's no incentive for them to sign a bad CBA.
I've already heard the "replacement player" mantra.
This is not good for the NHL. People are loyal to players and teams, not owners.
Comment by livingonli on 10/04/2012 19:21:09
livingonli on 10/04/2012 19:21:09
The worst thing about the NHL lockout is going to be is that they are shooting themselves in the foot: With events like the Winter Classic and the big push to broaden the US fan base, they have managed to make the NHL a more viable property even if it is still only the #4 sport in the US: With a lockout, a lot of those new fans are probably just going to check out other options and may not come back even if it settles quickly and we just get a condensed season: If another season gets cancelled, it may cause enough bad blood even with the hard core fans in the US and Canada that the NHL may suffer a severe black eye for it afterwards and the teams may play to a lot of empty arenas:
On the other side, on a day like this, it is tough to choose between Randi and Thom which sucks to the fact that they are both on at the same time: Thom does believe that Mitt lost because of his dishonesty but he is one of the few analyzing the substance:
On the other side, on a day like this, it is tough to choose between Randi and Thom which sucks to the fact that they are both on at the same time: Thom does believe that Mitt lost because of his dishonesty but he is one of the few analyzing the substance:
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/04/2012 19:25:22
Problem is people are ignorant. They will think the players are on strike when they are not, they've been locked out. No matter what the issue is, we have to support labor over management.
Mondobubba on 10/04/2012 19:25:22
Quote by Will in Chicago:Quote by trojanrabbit:Quote by TriSec:Quote by Raine:
The NHL has just cancelled the first 2 games thru November 4. This doesn't bode well for the season.
All the big names have already headed to the European leagues. They're not coming back, I would think.
They need to get this resolved pronto, or I think we'll be down one professional sports league next year.
They'll have outs in their contracts (because I suspect they'll be under contract to their NHL teams once a new CBA is signed) if the NHL comes back.
But the fact that so many players will be able to earn a paycheck elsewhere means there's no incentive for them to sign a bad CBA.
I've already heard the "replacement player" mantra.
This is not good for the NHL. People are loyal to players and teams, not owners.
Problem is people are ignorant. They will think the players are on strike when they are not, they've been locked out. No matter what the issue is, we have to support labor over management.
Comment by Raine on 10/04/2012 19:26:34
Raine on 10/04/2012 19:26:34
Randi agrees: ""You can debate facts, but you cannot debate a patholgical liar""
That is truth.
That is truth.
Comment by Raine on 10/04/2012 19:29:45
AH'YUP.
WRT to the NFL: the refs we in a LOCKOUT situation as well.
Raine on 10/04/2012 19:29:45
Quote by Mondobubba:
Problem is people are ignorant. They will think the players are on strike when they are not, they've been locked out. No matter what the issue is, we have to support labor over management.
WRT to the NFL: the refs we in a LOCKOUT situation as well.
Comment by livingonli on 10/04/2012 19:30:59
livingonli on 10/04/2012 19:30:59
Thom is making it scary: He actually compared last night to the first Reagan-Carter debate and says that seems to be what Romney learned and hope that Obama learns and doesn't fall into the same trap that Carter did: He points out that Reagan lied a lot in his first debate although I don't remember that as much since I was only 13 and was only starting to form my political views: I just know if the GOP is in power again, we will be doomed once what's left of the New Deal is dismantled:
Comment by livingonli on 10/04/2012 19:32:06
And when the replacements are not even good enough to judge Lingerie League, you get the results that happened during that lockout:
livingonli on 10/04/2012 19:32:06
Quote by Raine:AH'YUP.Quote by Mondobubba:
Problem is people are ignorant. They will think the players are on strike when they are not, they've been locked out. No matter what the issue is, we have to support labor over management.
WRT to the NFL: the refs we in a LOCKOUT situation as well.
And when the replacements are not even good enough to judge Lingerie League, you get the results that happened during that lockout:
Comment by Raine on 10/04/2012 19:46:56
Here's the thing... What Romney said last night -- he's gotta live with that. This was a debate. you live and die by what you say at a debate.
Raine on 10/04/2012 19:46:56
Quote by Scoopster:
That was quick..
Here's the thing... What Romney said last night -- he's gotta live with that. This was a debate. you live and die by what you say at a debate.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/04/2012 19:49:18
Mondobubba on 10/04/2012 19:49:18
Great I am have already exceeded my stupid quote for the day. Two.Hours.Left!
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/04/2012 19:50:27
That is why I've not been too worried about any bounce Mittbot might get. There is still plenty of time for his vocal processing software to fail. Again.
Mondobubba on 10/04/2012 19:50:27
Quote by Raine:Quote by Scoopster:
That was quick..
Here's the thing... What Romney said last night -- he's gotta live with that. This was a debate. you live and die by what you say at a debate.
That is why I've not been too worried about any bounce Mittbot might get. There is still plenty of time for his vocal processing software to fail. Again.
Comment by Raine on 10/04/2012 19:59:30
Thom is wrong, I'm sorry to say that, but he is wrong.
THAT debate (Reagan/Carter) was a FAIR debate. It was before the age of the internet and there was respect shown by both candidates. This is NOTHING like the Carter and Reagan debate.
There was a REAL debate structure back then. Last night was a mess. That wasn't a debate, that was reality Television.
Thom should not be comparing apples and oranges. You take a look:
You really think that last night should be compared to CARTER? I think not.
Raine on 10/04/2012 19:59:30
Quote by livingonli:
Thom is making it scary: He actually compared last night to the first Reagan-Carter debate and says that seems to be what Romney learned and hope that Obama learns and doesn't fall into the same trap that Carter did: He points out that Reagan lied a lot in his first debate although I don't remember that as much since I was only 13 and was only starting to form my political views: I just know if the GOP is in power again, we will be doomed once what's left of the New Deal is dismantled:
THAT debate (Reagan/Carter) was a FAIR debate. It was before the age of the internet and there was respect shown by both candidates. This is NOTHING like the Carter and Reagan debate.
There was a REAL debate structure back then. Last night was a mess. That wasn't a debate, that was reality Television.
Thom should not be comparing apples and oranges. You take a look:
You really think that last night should be compared to CARTER? I think not.
Comment by Raine on 10/04/2012 20:03:14
Raine on 10/04/2012 20:03:14
AND, one more thing... (I'm a a little frustrated, I don;t think it behooves us to play into the Romney team)
Did Thom forget Debategate?
No, the two things are not the same.
Did Thom forget Debategate?
No, the two things are not the same.
Comment by livingonli on 10/04/2012 20:08:14
livingonli on 10/04/2012 20:08:14
It certainly can't be considered a fair debate when the moderator didn't moderate:
Comment by Will in Chicago on 10/04/2012 20:10:26
Will in Chicago on 10/04/2012 20:10:26
Here is an alternate take from the debate last night from the Daily Telegraph UK:
Last night, Mitt Romney lost. Yes, you read that right
By Dan Hodges US politics Last updated: October 4th, 2012
Barack Obama won last night’s debate. Or to be more precise, Mitt Romney lost it.
That’s obviously not the conventional view of the commentators or pollsters, who gave the GOP candidate a clear win. But that doesn’t matter. He still lost.
There are three reasons why Romney experienced a soft implosion of his already tenuous electoral chances. First, there was no “gotcha momentâ€. Before the debate every political analyst, be they from the Left or Right, agreed that Romney had to land a knockout blow, which he didn’t.
There was no major presidential gaffe. No glancing at watches, sighing or claiming there has never been any soviet domination of eastern Europe. Crucially, in the new media age, there was no YouTube moment. In fact, the one single moment I suspect most voters will remember from the debate was Barack Obama sending his wife Michelle greetings on their wedding anniversary.
Comment by Raine on 10/04/2012 20:10:51
Raine on 10/04/2012 20:10:51
For the record:
Randi just said what I said:
There was no Debate.
Randi just said what I said:
There was no Debate.
Comment by Raine on 10/04/2012 20:12:03
Think this dovetails nicely with what Josh from TPM memo said, and why I quoted it in the blog.
Raine on 10/04/2012 20:12:03
Quote by Will in Chicago:
Here is an alternate take from the debate last night from the Daily Telegraph UK:Last night, Mitt Romney lost. Yes, you read that right
By Dan Hodges US politics Last updated: October 4th, 2012
Barack Obama won last night’s debate. Or to be more precise, Mitt Romney lost it.
That’s obviously not the conventional view of the commentators or pollsters, who gave the GOP candidate a clear win. But that doesn’t matter. He still lost.
There are three reasons why Romney experienced a soft implosion of his already tenuous electoral chances. First, there was no “gotcha momentâ€. Before the debate every political analyst, be they from the Left or Right, agreed that Romney had to land a knockout blow, which he didn’t.
There was no major presidential gaffe. No glancing at watches, sighing or claiming there has never been any soviet domination of eastern Europe. Crucially, in the new media age, there was no YouTube moment. In fact, the one single moment I suspect most voters will remember from the debate was Barack Obama sending his wife Michelle greetings on their wedding anniversary.
Comment by Raine on 10/04/2012 20:15:55
Exactly. I am not listening to Thom, so I am relying on your perspective, Liv.
It's NOT a good comparison. Obama is no Jimmy Carter. This dabate was NOTHING like that Reagan Carter debate.
and to be really honest, I would like for our progressive hosts to stop acting like Jimmy Carter was weak. I would think that Thom would agree that President Carter was a victim of RW shenanigans.
Raine on 10/04/2012 20:15:55
Quote by livingonli:
It certainly can't be considered a fair debate when the moderator didn't moderate:
It's NOT a good comparison. Obama is no Jimmy Carter. This dabate was NOTHING like that Reagan Carter debate.
and to be really honest, I would like for our progressive hosts to stop acting like Jimmy Carter was weak. I would think that Thom would agree that President Carter was a victim of RW shenanigans.
Comment by Raine on 10/04/2012 20:16:19
Raine on 10/04/2012 20:16:19
But hay... what do I know? 
Comment by Raine on 10/04/2012 20:18:28
<--??
Raine on 10/04/2012 20:18:28
Quote by Mondobubba:
Great I am have already exceeded my stupid quote for the day. Two.Hours.Left!
<--??
Comment by TriSec on 10/04/2012 20:21:31
TriSec on 10/04/2012 20:21:31
Off to the Bean Factory tonight.
I'm doing some physical labour tonight - we're getting in the winter floorset. (Note, not HOLIDAY floorset - that's not until Veteran's Day.)
There will be some elements, yes...but not full-bore.
I'm doing some physical labour tonight - we're getting in the winter floorset. (Note, not HOLIDAY floorset - that's not until Veteran's Day.)
There will be some elements, yes...but not full-bore.
Comment by Raine on 10/04/2012 20:26:03
Raine on 10/04/2012 20:26:03
MAla -- you listening to Madison? What happened to Randi?
Comment by livingonli on 10/04/2012 20:26:13
Especially if you are like me and also believe that Casey and possibly Senior Bush cut a deal with the Iranians to delay the release of the hostages: Enough people who are not necessarily in conspiracy buff territory do believe that this was done and was just never pursued:
livingonli on 10/04/2012 20:26:13
Quote by Raine:Exactly. I am not listening to Thom, so I am relying on your perspective, Liv.Quote by livingonli:
It certainly can't be considered a fair debate when the moderator didn't moderate:
It's NOT a good comparison. Obama is no Jimmy Carter. This dabate was NOTHING like that Reagan Carter debate.
and to be really honest, I would like for our progressive hosts to stop acting like Jimmy Carter was weak. I would think that Thom would agree that President Carter was a victim of RW shenanigans.
Especially if you are like me and also believe that Casey and possibly Senior Bush cut a deal with the Iranians to delay the release of the hostages: Enough people who are not necessarily in conspiracy buff territory do believe that this was done and was just never pursued:
Comment by livingonli on 10/04/2012 20:26:40
livingonli on 10/04/2012 20:26:40
I switched over to Randi but am listening on XM:
Comment by wickedpam on 10/04/2012 20:29:55
they took her off to cover the Pres's speech live, I think its local for them.
wickedpam on 10/04/2012 20:29:55
Quote by Raine:
MAla -- you listening to Madison? What happened to Randi?
they took her off to cover the Pres's speech live, I think its local for them.
Comment by Raine on 10/04/2012 20:32:04
ahhh danke.
Raine on 10/04/2012 20:32:04
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
MAla -- you listening to Madison? What happened to Randi?
they took her off to cover the Pres's speech live, I think its local for them.
ahhh danke.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/04/2012 21:32:31
Mondobubba on 10/04/2012 21:32:31
TRISEC! What is this day in Av/Disaster Dorkdom?
Comment by BobR on 10/04/2012 21:35:50
uh-oh... looks like Mondo stumbled across a piece of trivia...
BobR on 10/04/2012 21:35:50
Quote by Mondobubba:
TRISEC! What is this day in Av/Disaster Dorkdom?
uh-oh... looks like Mondo stumbled across a piece of trivia...
Comment by Raine on 10/04/2012 21:38:04
Raine on 10/04/2012 21:38:04
Looking forward to the foreign policy debate:
Comment by 
clintster on 10/04/2012 21:49:32
Well, I know today is the 55th anniversary of the launch of Sputnik.
clintster on 10/04/2012 21:49:32
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TRISEC! What is this day in Av/Disaster Dorkdom?
Well, I know today is the 55th anniversary of the launch of Sputnik.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/04/2012 22:03:51
and the 54th anniversary of the premier o' "Leave it Beaver."
Mondobubba on 10/04/2012 22:03:51
Quote by clintster:Quote by Mondobubba:
TRISEC! What is this day in Av/Disaster Dorkdom?
Well, I know today is the 55th anniversary of the launch of Sputnik.
and the 54th anniversary of the premier o' "Leave it Beaver."
Comment by clintster on 10/04/2012 22:11:24
So I bring the AV and you bring the disaster? Nice!
clintster on 10/04/2012 22:11:24
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by clintster:Quote by Mondobubba:
TRISEC! What is this day in Av/Disaster Dorkdom?
Well, I know today is the 55th anniversary of the launch of Sputnik.
and the 54th anniversary of the premier o' "Leave it Beaver."
So I bring the AV and you bring the disaster? Nice!
Comment by Raine on 10/04/2012 22:16:53
Raine on 10/04/2012 22:16:53
Quote by clintster:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by clintster:Quote by Mondobubba:
TRISEC! What is this day in Av/Disaster Dorkdom?
Well, I know today is the 55th anniversary of the launch of Sputnik.
and the 54th anniversary of the premier o' "Leave it Beaver."
So I bring the AV and you bring the disaster? Nice!
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/04/2012 22:17:01
Don't being hatin' on the Beav!
Mondobubba on 10/04/2012 22:17:01
Quote by clintster:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by clintster:Quote by Mondobubba:
TRISEC! What is this day in Av/Disaster Dorkdom?
Well, I know today is the 55th anniversary of the launch of Sputnik.
and the 54th anniversary of the premier o' "Leave it Beaver."
So I bring the AV and you bring the disaster? Nice!
Don't being hatin' on the Beav!
Comment by clintster on 10/04/2012 22:20:13
That's what she said!
clintster on 10/04/2012 22:20:13
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by clintster:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by clintster:Quote by Mondobubba:
TRISEC! What is this day in Av/Disaster Dorkdom?
Well, I know today is the 55th anniversary of the launch of Sputnik.
and the 54th anniversary of the premier o' "Leave it Beaver."
So I bring the AV and you bring the disaster? Nice!
Don't being hatin' on the Beav!
That's what she said!
Comment by Raine on 10/04/2012 22:30:09
Raine on 10/04/2012 22:30:09
Why are people saying that Mitt is a good debater? When did he debate last night?
Comment by Raine on 10/04/2012 22:49:01
Raine on 10/04/2012 22:49:01
Joy Behar just lost me. *click*
Comment by Raine on 10/04/2012 22:52:31
pretty sure y'all will find out tomorrow on Momma: Victoria JAckson was her guest -- and I refused to watch.
Raine on 10/04/2012 22:52:31
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Joy Behar just lost me. *click*
Comment by livingonli on 10/05/2012 00:22:04
Victoria Jackson is the epitome of the dumb blonde stereotype and her right-wing views confirm it. And when righties want to say that right-wing women are hot and left-wing women are not, I have to wonder if they consider her "hot". Then again, I don't consider the anorexic Adam's Apple Ann Coulter hot at all.
livingonli on 10/05/2012 00:22:04
Quote by Raine:pretty sure y'all will find out tomorrow on Momma: Victoria JAckson was her guest -- and I refused to watch.Quote by Raine:
Joy Behar just lost me. *click*
Victoria Jackson is the epitome of the dumb blonde stereotype and her right-wing views confirm it. And when righties want to say that right-wing women are hot and left-wing women are not, I have to wonder if they consider her "hot". Then again, I don't consider the anorexic Adam's Apple Ann Coulter hot at all.