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WikiLeaks: It's not all Black and White.
Author: Raine    Date: 11/29/2010 15:55:16

I'm not sure what to make of the latest WikiLeak leak. I'm rather annoyed on one hand, and feel that anyone who is surprised at secretive dealings between countries really doesn't have a clue about diplomacy at all.

On the other hand, when I see what is coming out of those cables, I am angry at things that are allegedly being done in the name of 'National Security'.

I am not an 'either you are for transparency' or 'you support the evil empire' kind of person. In the coming days, you will see people splitting up into these camps. I have decided that I will take each piece of news as a case by case situation. I have a lot of questions, and I hope I can find some answers to them as they arise.

For example: Iran has bought long range missiles from North Korea. -- Perhaps that is a true security threat? Will transparency on this issue help to end the constant drumbeat to war with Iran, or will it only force them to delve further into the darkness? Will our diplomatic ties to other countries be permanently damaged as a result to these cables? Somehow I doubt it. But that really isn't too important to me.

We talk about net neutrality here in this nation. We talk about the threat of cyber security. We talk about how the terrorists could take down our nation with a cyber attack. These are real and fair things to be concerned with. Then I found this: Secret Internet Protocol Router Network. Siprnet:
Siprnet was designed to solve the chronic problem of big bureaucracies – how to share information easily and confidentially among large numbers of people spread around the world. Siprnet is a worldwide US military internet system, kept separate from the ordinary civilian internet and run by the defence department in Washington.

Since the terrorist attacks of September 2001, there has been a move in the US to link up separate archives of government information, in the hope that key intelligence no longer gets trapped in information silos or "stovepipes".

An increasing number of US embassies were plugged into Siprnet in the last decade, so that military and diplomatic information can be shared. In 2002, 125 embassies were on Siprnet; by 2005, there were 180.
This system failed. It failed because a so called secure network has proven to be anything but secure. Why? Perhaps this is why:
The US general accounting office identified 3,067,000 people cleared to "secret" and above in a 1993 study. Since then, the size of the security establishment has grown appreciably. Another GAO report in May 2009 said: "Following the terrorist attacks on September 11 2001 the nation's defence and intelligence needs grew, prompting increased demand for personnel with security clearances." A state department spokesman today refused to say exactly how many people had access to Siprnet.
There are OVER 3 million people that we know of that have access to Siprnet. Is this all just more security theatre? Has this system really made us safer? Was this a situation that was just waiting to happen?
There have been suggestions that an alarm system to detect suspicious use of the network was suspended for US military personnel in Iraq after they complained it was inconvenient.

The state department declined to comment on this but spokesman PJ Crowley said: "The defense department is reviewing all of their relevant procedures and taking appropriate action. In the interim, the state department has ensured that essential material reaches those who need it."
Was a system built to be secure exploited by the very people who it was created for? I don't know.

I don't know what the fallout is of these cables. I feel differently about them than I did regarding the Wiki War leaks. But Dan Gillmore made some very important points last June, in particular:
WikiLeaks may well have given them new ammunition for pushing the harshest kinds of restrictions. Do we want to be like Saudi Arabia and China? We may find out one of these days, sooner rather than later.
There are those that say this furthers the democratization of the Media -- and perhaps they are correct in that so much of our traditional media is corporate-owned. That said I do find some of what WikiLeaks is doing troubling. I don't think - in the long term -- it will aid in the democratization of the internet OR the media. There are already calls in DC to pass laws to stop this from happening -- that is the exact opposite of what pro-transparency people want. (of which I consider myself a part). Take a look at the great work that the Sunlight Foundation does. They don't steal company or government property to get and publish information. Same thing with websites like ThinkProgress. They gather information legally. I do not know if what Wiki leaks did was illegal or not -- I suspect it is legal, considering this information was not considered "Top Secret" -- only a simple 'secret'. It's all a little too 'gossip girl' for me, but I digress.

It may be a bit of a straw-man, but I know a lot of people were VERY angry that the former administration outed Valerie Plame -- a covert CIA agent. I am one of them. I still feel more people should have faced jail time for that treasonous act. Shouldn't we feel the same way about what WikiLeaks has done? People are outraged at the treatment of Sibel Edmonds. She is a whistleblower who has had first hand experience with what she speaks. Julian Assange and WikiLeaks do not. Someone 'procured' information that was not theirs and made it public.

Like the last information dump, there could be a case to compare this to the Pentagon Papers. That would seem to be a fair comparison with the exception that Danielle Ellsberg did actual reporting. This cable leak does no such thing. It was an information dump. One where EVERYONE who has access to the internet can pick and choose what part they want and create their own narrative: Was it conspiracy? Is it fascism? Is this our nation protecting Americans? Pick and choose whatever you need and write the story around it -- this is what has already begun to happen. People are doing an online version of dumpster diving to find SOMETHING that will fit the narrative that fits a political world view. I find that a bit troubling.

Perhaps real reporting will occur as the result of what has once again happened. That would be nice, but based on past experience, I am doubtful that will occur.

I have lots of questions, I know. I think most media and people will end up focusing on the more salacious tidbits that came from these cables. Personally, I would like to know more about the who, what and why this is happening. We talk about cyber security as individuals, and yet our own government was so insecure that this has happened - AGAIN. We talk about the failing of the media and the misinformation. There has been talk that what WikiLeaks is doing is the great equalizer. How many people will be responsible with this information?

Some may think this information dump is a good thing, for our freedom, for transparency. I can't disagree with that from an idealistic point of view. From a pragmatic point of view, I don't know. I am personally concerned of a bigger clampdown of information. Sometimes there is a right way of going about things and a wrong way -- it doesn't have anything to do with what's legal. It has to do with what is best for our fragile democracy.

What do you think?

and
Raine
 

23 comments (Latest Comment: 11/30/2010 00:09:11 by Scoopster)
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Comment by wickedpam on 11/29/2010 16:13:24
And good morning again

To some extent I looking at this like someone left the US's mic on and everyone just got to hear are gossipy bithchy side. Granted they knew we could be like that and everyone talks about everyone else but no one wants to have it shoved in their face.

Yes, I think somethings need to come out but there are other things that really are just not called for and do nothing but damage our diplomatic corps to some extent.

Comment by Raine on 11/29/2010 16:17:48
Quote by wickedpam:
And good morning again

To some extent I looking at this like someone left the US's mic on and everyone just got to hear are gossipy bithchy side. Granted they knew we could be like that and everyone talks about everyone else but no one wants to have it shoved in their face.

Yes, I think somethings need to come out but there are other things that really are just not called for and do nothing but damage our diplomatic corps to some extent.
And ----

Mala just put into a few words what I was thinking all morning. I need to learn how to keep it simple.




Comment by TriSec on 11/29/2010 16:22:15
It's your last paragraph that's the clincher.

I'd want us to be transparent and above-board in all our international dealings...but realistically, there are certain elements of diplomacy and international negotiations that ought to be kept secret. (for a time...but how long that time should be remains unclear.)

Something I heard on the radio today....with these leaks, you have to wonder if other nations around the world are looking at it and thinking, "we'd love to deal, but we don't want our messages leaked on the internet someday...."

You do have to wonder what this may affect long-term.



Comment by Scoopster on 11/29/2010 16:29:25
Obama announces 2-year freeze on federal employee wages

Ya know that begs the question - would Congress be willing to not vote for pay raises, or even to cut their own pay?

And a bonus link since I forgot to include it before - Bolton considering a challenge to Obama

Comment by wickedpam on 11/29/2010 16:35:03
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:
And good morning again

To some extent I looking at this like someone left the US's mic on and everyone just got to hear are gossipy bithchy side. Granted they knew we could be like that and everyone talks about everyone else but no one wants to have it shoved in their face.

Yes, I think somethings need to come out but there are other things that really are just not called for and do nothing but damage our diplomatic corps to some extent.
And ----

Mala just put into a few words what I was thinking all morning. I need to learn how to keep it simple.







Comment by TriSec on 11/29/2010 16:39:24
Related to nothing....the day I bundle up at my desk and shiver because my feet are cold is the day I switch to my winter boots for the season.

Today is that day.



Comment by TriSec on 11/29/2010 16:44:47
Well, it's a tad Boston-Centric (isn't everything I post? ) but if you have public transportation in your city, here's a few things to be thankful for.



Comment by Raine on 11/29/2010 16:47:20
Quote by Scoopster:
Obama announces 2-year freeze on federal employee wages

Ya know that begs the question - would Congress be willing to not vote for pay raises, or even to cut their own pay?

And a bonus link since I forgot to include it before - Bolton considering a challenge to Obama
Congress already did -- 2 years running.

But here is the kicker,
The base pay for House and Senate lawmakers is $174,000, though leaders earn a higher salary. The cost-of-living increase would have given lawmakers a $1,600 raise in 2011. By rescinding the increase, lawmakers saved taxpayers $850,000 for next year.


I suspect in all honesty, the 2 year freeze on federal employees is going to hurt them a lot more than congress.




Comment by wickedpam on 11/29/2010 16:48:48
Eddie was thinking along the same lines that I did! Although I think Bristol was eating her feelings

Comment by TriSec on 11/29/2010 16:50:24
Comment by Raine on 11/29/2010 16:56:23
Quote by wickedpam:
Eddie was thinking along the same lines that I did! Although I think Bristol was eating her feelings
I watched the Finale.

She seemed *softer* in physique. I didn't want to say anything -- but she did gain weight.




Comment by Raine on 11/29/2010 17:01:03
Quote by Scoopster:

And a bonus link since I forgot to include it before - Bolton considering a challenge to Obama
Uhm --

When I read this:
"If I did run, and I haven't made a decision, I have never run for office one way or the other, so it would be a pretty big decision to do it."


Didn't they try to say that Obama wasn't experienced enough for public office?

You know, the reality is that THEY set up this narrative. This inexperienced narrative -- The left should start using it against people like Bolton.

That man is awful. He doesn't want to lead a nation. He wants to promote an particular political ideology.

KEY WORD: Particular. There is not a party to attach to that ideology.


Comment by wickedpam on 11/29/2010 17:05:52
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:
Eddie was thinking along the same lines that I did! Although I think Bristol was eating her feelings
I watched the Finale.

She seemed *softer* in physique. I didn't want to say anything -- but she did gain weight.





I normally wouldn't either but, I've been feeling very catty about that family, plus I believe she's over 18 so I don't feel so bad about saying it

I just want to know how do you gain weight going all that dancing!

Comment by livingonli on 11/29/2010 17:10:47
Good day everyone.

It's that kind of day. Feels like I've had a lot of them.

Comment by Raine on 11/29/2010 17:47:01
Quote by wickedpam:

I just want to know how do you gain weight going all that dancing!
I am wondering that myself.


Comment by TriSec on 11/29/2010 17:51:10
Irony alert:

So, my new company (as well as Cub Scout Pack 250) have a big to-do for the "Toys for Tots" program. Which, as you all know, is run entirely by the United States Marine Corps.

From their website: "Toys not allowed: toys with a military theme, toys related to weapons, law-enforcement type toys..."





Comment by Raine on 11/29/2010 18:51:21
Quote by TriSec:
Irony alert:

So, my new company (as well as Cub Scout Pack 250) have a big to-do for the "Toys for Tots" program. Which, as you all know, is run entirely by the United States Marine Corps.

From their website: "Toys not allowed: toys with a military theme, toys related to weapons, law-enforcement type toys..."



I kinda like that irony.

Is this toy allowed?
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41G9WA5NRDL._SL500_AA300_.jpg


Comment by Raine on 11/29/2010 18:54:29
I'm losing my shit right now listening to Thom.

Comment by wickedpam on 11/29/2010 18:57:09
Quote by Raine:
I'm losing my shit right now listening to Thom.



what's he talking about now? I muted to make a call

Comment by TriSec on 11/29/2010 20:00:54
Quote by Raine:
I'm losing my shit right now listening to Thom.


Mmmm....Immodium?

Actually, I find I've been much happier since I ditched KO and TRMS and started listening to music again.



Comment by Scoopster on 11/29/2010 20:20:31
Comment by TriSec on 11/29/2010 20:30:09
Westboro Bastard "Church" is coming to town.

Alas, I probably won't be able to counter-protest.



Comment by Scoopster on 11/30/2010 00:09:11