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This is the Only Way.
Author: Raine
Date: 10/27/2011 13:29:00
So far, only the police through their fears and prejudice have goaded our people to riot. And once the riot starts, only the police or the National Guard have been able to put an end to them. This demonstrates that there violent eruptions are unplanned, uncontrollable, temper tantrums brought on by the long-neglected poverty, humiliation, oppression and exploitation. Violence as a strategy for social change in America is nonexistent. All the sound and fury seems but the posturing of cowards whose bold talk produces no action and signifies nothing.
This is a really important letter from Dr. King, and this is but one small part of a paragraph. In light of the events in Oakland, I believe this is made more true than ever before.
By now you have heard that one of those injured in Oakland was an Iraq war veteran, and there are reports that he has a fractured skull. His name is Scott Olsen. He served two tours and was critically injured by the Oakland police department.
This woman was helped by the protesters amind the chaos:
These Police and those that gave them the orders to act as such are not interested in non-violent social change. My heart hangs heavy with what we are witnessing. The cause, however, must not end. What is being witnessed is part of the journey to extracting the social change that people seek. Once again, I refer you to Dr. King's letter:
In a nonviolent demonstration, self-defense must be approached from quite another perspective. One must remember that the cause of the demonstration is some exploitation or form of oppression that has made it necessary for men of courage and goodwill do demonstrate against evil. For example, a demonstration against the evil of de facto school segregation is based on the awareness that a child’s mind is crippled daily by inadequate educational opportunity. The demonstrator agrees that is better for him to suffer publicly for a short time to end the crippling evil of school segregation than to have generation after generation of children suffer in ignorance.
In such a demonstration, the point is made that schools are inadequate. This is the evil to which one seeks to point; anything else detracts from that point and interferes with confrontation of the primary evil against which one demonstrates. Of course, no one wants to suffer and be hurt. But it is more important to get at the cause than to be safe. It is better to shed a little blood from a blow on the head or a rock thrown by an angry mob than to have children by the thousands grow up reading at a fifth- or sixth-grade reading level.
Our most powerful nonviolent weapon is, as would be expected, also our most demanding, that is organization. To produce change, people must be organized to work together in units of power. These units might be political, as in the case of voters’ leagues and political parties; they may be economic units such as groups of tenants who join forces to form a tenant union or to organize a rent strike; or they may be laboring units of persons who are seeking employment and wage increases.
More and more, the civil rights movement will become engaged in the task of organizing people into permanent groups to protect their own interests and to produce change in their behalf. This is a tedious task which may take years, but the results are more permanent and meaningful.
In the future we will be called upon to organize the unemployed, to unionize the business within the ghetto, to bring tenants together into collective bargaining units and establish cooperatives for purposes of building viable financial institutions within the ghetto that can be controlled by Negroes themselves.
There is no easy way to create a world where men and women can live together, where each has his own job and house and where all children receive as much education as their minds can absorb. But if such a world is created in our lifetime, it will be done in the United States by Negroes and white people of good will. It will be accomplished by persons who have the courage to put an end to suffering by willingly suffering themselves rather than inflict suffering upon others. It will be done by rejecting the racism, materialism and violence that has characterized Western civilization and especially by working toward a world of brotherhood, cooperation and peace.
Police may claim that are only acting on orders, but it is well-documented that a defense such as that is weak at best. I have questioned with an open mind the Occupy movement, it is well documented here. This is not what I am trying to convey today. I do not question the right to peaceably assemble.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
One thing I do know, it is that these events - all of them, particularly the larger ones - will make a difference. Dr. King spoke many times of boycotts, and I believe in this day and age many boycotts are largely ineffective due to the massive corporations we now have. He does make a very good point when speaking of the student sit-ins:
The student sit-ins of 1960 are a classic illustration of this method. Students were denied the right to eat at a lunch counter, so they deliberately sat down to protest their denial. They were arrested, but this made their parents mad and so they began to close their charge accounts. The students continued to sit in, and this further embarrassed the city, scared away many white shoppers and soon produced an economic threat to the business life of the city. Amid this type of pressure, it is not hard to get people to agree to change.
I don't know where this goes, but blood has been shed, and that is on the hands of those that are paid by taxpayers to protect and serve. I find myself wondering who they are actually serving. This escalation must stop. They are the very people for whom the Occupy movement is protesting.
Until then, I pray that people continue with non-violent peaceful protest even in the face of violence put upon them.
and 
Raine
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Comment by 
wickedpam on 10/27/2011 13:13:47
wickedpam on 10/27/2011 13:13:47
Morning! 
We have internet and phones this morning!
We have internet and phones this morning!
Comment by 
Mondobubba on 10/27/2011 13:17:27
Mondobubba on 10/27/2011 13:17:27
Yay! Welcome back Mala!
Comment by wickedpam on 10/27/2011 13:27:23
wickedpam on 10/27/2011 13:27:23
Thanks 
Feels good to be connected to the world again
So Oakland - is this the 3rd stage before we win?
Feels good to be connected to the world againSo Oakland - is this the 3rd stage before we win?
Comment by 
TriSec on 10/27/2011 13:39:20
TriSec on 10/27/2011 13:39:20
There's some snow in the forecast locally....Climate-change deniers resurface in 3...2...1!
That's funny...when Texas spent all summer over 90, and there were dried lakes, withered crops, and huge fires, none of us pointed and laughed and said, oh, look! There's no climate change, because it's the summer and it gets hot like that every year!
That's funny...when Texas spent all summer over 90, and there were dried lakes, withered crops, and huge fires, none of us pointed and laughed and said, oh, look! There's no climate change, because it's the summer and it gets hot like that every year!
Comment by 
Raine on 10/27/2011 13:44:33
Raine on 10/27/2011 13:44:33
Blog is up!
Comment by 
BobR on 10/27/2011 13:45:04
BobR on 10/27/2011 13:45:04
Look who has a new cookbook coming out!
And waiting for the haters to say she hasn't cooked for herself in over two years in 3... 2... 1...
And waiting for the haters to say she hasn't cooked for herself in over two years in 3... 2... 1...
Comment by Raine on 10/27/2011 13:45:38
Funny you should mention that...
read the blog...
Raine on 10/27/2011 13:45:38
Quote by wickedpam:
Thanks
So Oakland - is this the 3rd stage before we win?
read the blog...
Comment by Raine on 10/27/2011 14:02:54
Raine on 10/27/2011 14:02:54
Good news from Orange County
The council members each spoke in turn to the civility, articulateness and
peaceful process represented by the Irvine Occupation at contrast with the
several other Occupational Villages in California, which were, at that
very moment being tear-gassed. The general sentiment being: “This is quite
clearly the model. And the occupation most in tune with city needs.”
One councilman stated clearly, “I disagree with most of what you’re
saying. But youÂ’ve clearly shown that this is an issue of free speech. So
if you need to sleep on our lawn… by all means… sleep on our lawn.”
Shortly after, a motion was brought to the council to grant license to the
occupiers to occupy the public space overnight citing the unusual form of
the movement. (Another first in council history.)
Comment by 
Scoopster on 10/27/2011 14:03:15
Scoopster on 10/27/2011 14:03:15
Morning all.. 
Non-lethal my left nut. The problem isn't the fucking bullet, IT'S THE FUCKING GUN.
Non-lethal my left nut. The problem isn't the fucking bullet, IT'S THE FUCKING GUN.
Comment by wickedpam on 10/27/2011 14:08:18
done and done
wickedpam on 10/27/2011 14:08:18
Quote by Raine:Funny you should mention that...Quote by wickedpam:
Thanks
So Oakland - is this the 3rd stage before we win?
read the blog...
done and done
Comment by Raine on 10/27/2011 14:08:49
Raine on 10/27/2011 14:08:49
Quote by Scoopster:
Morning all..
Non-lethal my left nut. The problem isn't the fucking bullet, IT'S THE FUCKING GUN.
Comment by Raine on 10/27/2011 14:09:13
Raine on 10/27/2011 14:09:13
Comment by wickedpam on 10/27/2011 14:10:28
wickedpam on 10/27/2011 14:10:28
I do enjoy the mini Queen
Comment by wickedpam on 10/27/2011 14:16:54
wickedpam on 10/27/2011 14:16:54
Chris is right, if the caller doesn't get the message then he's not paying attention
Comment by Raine on 10/27/2011 14:19:25
Agreed.
There are many issues, granted, but the message underlying all of it is the inequality.
Raine on 10/27/2011 14:19:25
Quote by wickedpam:
Chris is right, if the caller doesn't get the message then he's not paying attention
There are many issues, granted, but the message underlying all of it is the inequality.
Comment by wickedpam on 10/27/2011 14:39:55
wickedpam on 10/27/2011 14:39:55
Think I might spend some time this weekend crocheting some mittens to send down to Occupy K Street/DC
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/27/2011 14:43:26
She is in scenic J-ville today flogging said book with students in a cullinary program at a local school.
Mondobubba on 10/27/2011 14:43:26
Quote by BobR:
Look who has a new cookbook coming out!
And waiting for the haters to say she hasn't cooked for herself in over two years in 3... 2... 1...
She is in scenic J-ville today flogging said book with students in a cullinary program at a local school.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/27/2011 14:44:44
Mondobubba on 10/27/2011 14:44:44
If you haven't seen it. Find KO's special comment from last night. It is about the police violence in Oakland.
Comment by Raine on 10/27/2011 14:46:15
Raine on 10/27/2011 14:46:15
Mala, are you listening to this caller?
This is a legitimate point, unlike Justin. the truthers etc, are not helping the message.
This is a legitimate point, unlike Justin. the truthers etc, are not helping the message.
Comment by Raine on 10/27/2011 14:49:51
I think I may go to goodwill and pick up a few blankets.
Raine on 10/27/2011 14:49:51
Quote by wickedpam:
Think I might spend some time this weekend crocheting some mittens to send down to Occupy K Street/DC
I think I may go to goodwill and pick up a few blankets.
Comment by wickedpam on 10/27/2011 14:49:52
Missed part of what he said - phone rang
wickedpam on 10/27/2011 14:49:52
Quote by Raine:
Mala, are you listening to this caller?
This is a legitimate point, unlike Justin. the truthers etc, are not helping the message.
Missed part of what he said - phone rang
Comment by wickedpam on 10/27/2011 14:51:31
do they have a place where a person can send them stuff - or a drop off point?
wickedpam on 10/27/2011 14:51:31
Quote by Raine:Quote by wickedpam:
Think I might spend some time this weekend crocheting some mittens to send down to Occupy K Street/DC
I think I may go to goodwill and pick up a few blankets.
do they have a place where a person can send them stuff - or a drop off point?
Comment by TriSec on 10/27/2011 14:55:40
A company I have been trying to get into since the last Millennium (seriously!) has just called me for an interview!!!!!!!!
TriSec on 10/27/2011 14:55:40
A company I have been trying to get into since the last Millennium (seriously!) has just called me for an interview!!!!!!!!
Comment by wickedpam on 10/27/2011 14:56:53
woohoo! Congrats
wickedpam on 10/27/2011 14:56:53
Quote by TriSec:
A company I have been trying to get into since the last Millennium (seriously!) has just called me for an interview!!!!!!!!
woohoo! Congrats
Comment by Scoopster on 10/27/2011 14:59:43
SUHWEET!
Scoopster on 10/27/2011 14:59:43
Quote by TriSec:
A company I have been trying to get into since the last Millennium (seriously!) has just called me for an interview!!!!!!!!
SUHWEET!
Comment by BobR on 10/27/2011 15:32:35
excellent!! Is it in your area, or might this involve a relocation?
BobR on 10/27/2011 15:32:35
Quote by TriSec:
A company I have been trying to get into since the last Millennium (seriously!) has just called me for an interview!!!!!!!!
excellent!! Is it in your area, or might this involve a relocation?
Comment by BobR on 10/27/2011 15:33:08
Just drop them off in person at MacPherson Square
BobR on 10/27/2011 15:33:08
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:Quote by wickedpam:
Think I might spend some time this weekend crocheting some mittens to send down to Occupy K Street/DC
I think I may go to goodwill and pick up a few blankets.
do they have a place where a person can send them stuff - or a drop off point?
Just drop them off in person at MacPherson Square
Comment by 
livingonli on 10/27/2011 15:36:09
livingonli on 10/27/2011 15:36:09
Good morning everyone. It will be crazy since tonight I am working the Rangers home opener and there should be some insanity involved. It's a big deal since it marks the opening of Madison Square Garden after last summer's renovations.
Good luck to Tri, and hope this leads to you finally making a decent living again.
Good luck to Tri, and hope this leads to you finally making a decent living again.
Comment by Scoopster on 10/27/2011 15:38:11
Scoopster on 10/27/2011 15:38:11
Comment by TriSec on 10/27/2011 15:43:59
It's local...and back within bicycle-commute distance, too!
TriSec on 10/27/2011 15:43:59
Quote by BobR:
excellent!! Is it in your area, or might this involve a relocation?
It's local...and back within bicycle-commute distance, too!
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/27/2011 15:50:16
C'est Spiff!
Mondobubba on 10/27/2011 15:50:16
Quote by TriSec:
A company I have been trying to get into since the last Millennium (seriously!) has just called me for an interview!!!!!!!!
C'est Spiff!
Comment by Raine on 10/27/2011 15:53:07
I don't think they are giving the occupy much problems here in DC.
Raine on 10/27/2011 15:53:07
Quote by BobR:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:Quote by wickedpam:
Think I might spend some time this weekend crocheting some mittens to send down to Occupy K Street/DC
I think I may go to goodwill and pick up a few blankets.
do they have a place where a person can send them stuff - or a drop off point?
Just drop them off in person at MacPherson Square
I don't think they are giving the occupy much problems here in DC.
Comment by Raine on 10/27/2011 16:36:23
Raine on 10/27/2011 16:36:23
We are hearing rumors that there is a possible police crackdown today/tonight. Do not fear but be prepared. #occupydc #OccupyKst
OccupyKSt OccupyKSt
National Park Service distributing material on site now regarding the legality of #OccupyDC . A sign of good faith or of things to come?
OccupyKSt OccupyKSt
They are not dispersal notices. Just information about park laws. We will repost as soon as someone digitizes. #OccupyDC
Comment by Raine on 10/27/2011 16:39:49
Raine on 10/27/2011 16:39:49
OccupyDC: Send Get Well Card to Scott Olsen c/o Highland General Hospital, 1411 East 31st St., Oakland CA 94602 #OWS #Solidarity
Comment by livingonli on 10/27/2011 16:40:28
livingonli on 10/27/2011 16:40:28
I thought occupyDC had been given long-term permits.
Comment by wickedpam on 10/27/2011 16:42:31
I thought they did too - something like 4 months
wickedpam on 10/27/2011 16:42:31
Quote by livingonli:
I thought occupyDC had been given long-term permits.
I thought they did too - something like 4 months
Comment by wickedpam on 10/27/2011 16:42:49
which came in first?
wickedpam on 10/27/2011 16:42:49
Quote by Raine:We are hearing rumors that there is a possible police crackdown today/tonight. Do not fear but be prepared. #occupydc #OccupyKstOccupyKSt OccupyKSt
National Park Service distributing material on site now regarding the legality of #OccupyDC . A sign of good faith or of things to come?OccupyKSt OccupyKSt
They are not dispersal notices. Just information about park laws. We will repost as soon as someone digitizes. #OccupyDC
which came in first?
Comment by Raine on 10/27/2011 16:50:03
Actually -- the Freedom plaza protest was given 4 months...
They are not technically the Occupy group. "technically". I think I mentioned that early on in one of my blogs.(or maybe in my comments) Either way, here is a link about the permit given.
I am not sure if McPherson Square is under the authority of the National park Service. Stop the machine is technically the ones holding the permit in Freedom Plaza.
Raine on 10/27/2011 16:50:03
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by livingonli:
I thought occupyDC had been given long-term permits.
I thought they did too - something like 4 months
They are not technically the Occupy group. "technically". I think I mentioned that early on in one of my blogs.(or maybe in my comments) Either way, here is a link about the permit given.
I am not sure if McPherson Square is under the authority of the National park Service. Stop the machine is technically the ones holding the permit in Freedom Plaza.
Comment by Raine on 10/27/2011 16:50:59
Bottom down.
(sorry I forgot the time stamps)
Raine on 10/27/2011 16:50:59
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:We are hearing rumors that there is a possible police crackdown today/tonight. Do not fear but be prepared. #occupydc #OccupyKstOccupyKSt OccupyKSt
National Park Service distributing material on site now regarding the legality of #OccupyDC . A sign of good faith or of things to come?OccupyKSt OccupyKSt
They are not dispersal notices. Just information about park laws. We will repost as soon as someone digitizes. #OccupyDC
which came in first?
(sorry I forgot the time stamps)
Comment by wickedpam on 10/27/2011 16:51:37
ok, I don't know why I thought they merged
wickedpam on 10/27/2011 16:51:37
Quote by Raine:Actually -- the Freedom plaza protest was given 4 months...Quote by wickedpam:Quote by livingonli:
I thought occupyDC had been given long-term permits.
I thought they did too - something like 4 months
They are not technically the Occupy group. "technically". I think I mentioned that early on in one of my blogs.(or maybe in my comments) Either way, here is a link about the permit given.
I am not sure if McPherson Square is under the authority of the National park Service. Stop the machine is technically the ones holding the permit in Freedom Plaza.
ok, I don't know why I thought they merged
Comment by Raine on 10/27/2011 16:54:06
They had in spirit. Not by legalities offered to them by permits.
This is something I was concerned about. Nonetheless, the NPS has so far been very good. What I do not know is whether or not McPherson is part of the National Park service.
Raine on 10/27/2011 16:54:06
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:Actually -- the Freedom plaza protest was given 4 months...Quote by wickedpam:Quote by livingonli:
I thought occupyDC had been given long-term permits.
I thought they did too - something like 4 months
They are not technically the Occupy group. "technically". I think I mentioned that early on in one of my blogs.(or maybe in my comments) Either way, here is a link about the permit given.
I am not sure if McPherson Square is under the authority of the National park Service. Stop the machine is technically the ones holding the permit in Freedom Plaza.
ok, I don't know why I thought they merged
This is something I was concerned about. Nonetheless, the NPS has so far been very good. What I do not know is whether or not McPherson is part of the National Park service.
Comment by Raine on 10/27/2011 16:55:13
Raine on 10/27/2011 16:55:13
Both sites, only a few blocks apart, have the same type of infrastructure.
Comment by TriSec on 10/27/2011 17:01:18
TriSec on 10/27/2011 17:01:18
Anyone on our crack blogger team want to head to a local site and see about talking to some of the protesters?
If I had a freakin' free Saturday, I'd try to get to Dewey Square...but I'm not seeing any openings on the calendar until after peak now.
If I had a freakin' free Saturday, I'd try to get to Dewey Square...but I'm not seeing any openings on the calendar until after peak now.
Comment by wickedpam on 10/27/2011 17:04:24
wickedpam on 10/27/2011 17:04:24
Comment by Raine on 10/27/2011 17:20:05
Bob and I have been to both. Not to talk, but to observe, Both sites were wonderful -- just what you would expect from a protest. What Bob wrote of in the blog yesterday wrt the homeless people and the protesters does ring true.
Raine on 10/27/2011 17:20:05
Quote by TriSec:
Anyone on our crack blogger team want to head to a local site and see about talking to some of the protesters?
If I had a freakin' free Saturday, I'd try to get to Dewey Square...but I'm not seeing any openings on the calendar until after peak now.
Comment by Raine on 10/27/2011 17:24:52
Thanks Mala.
... at the risk of sounding like a curmudgeon, I wish WaPo used their own reporting instead of posting an AP report.
I found this sentence peculair:
Raine on 10/27/2011 17:24:52
Quote by wickedpam:
National Park Police Planning Outreach to Demonstrators
Here's your answer
Thanks Mala.
... at the risk of sounding like a curmudgeon, I wish WaPo used their own reporting instead of posting an AP report.
I found this sentence peculair:
Protesters at McPherson Square say they don’t feel threatened by police, but at Freedom Plaza, organizers say they expect to be kicked out.
Comment by TriSec on 10/27/2011 17:50:32
TriSec on 10/27/2011 17:50:32
Any chance to beat up on anything associated with George Bush, no matter how tenuous, must be taken.
Is anyone listening out there in St. Louis?
Is anyone listening out there in St. Louis?
Comment by TriSec on 10/27/2011 18:00:46
TriSec on 10/27/2011 18:00:46
Rain + Leaves = unhappy Trisec.
Kaff, hack, phlegm.
Kaff, hack, phlegm.
Comment by Raine on 10/27/2011 18:10:21
Raine on 10/27/2011 18:10:21
As an aside, I am a little bummed today. Our neighbors are moving today. Leaving for California. Their house was on the market for 2 weeks and is already under contract.
Comment by wickedpam on 10/27/2011 18:56:48
The ones with the the baby? That's sad. They were nice :(
wickedpam on 10/27/2011 18:56:48
Quote by Raine:
As an aside, I am a little bummed today. Our neighbors are moving today. Leaving for California. Their house was on the market for 2 weeks and is already under contract.
The ones with the the baby? That's sad. They were nice :(
Comment by Raine on 10/27/2011 19:02:49
EVERYONE here has a baby! 
When you walk out of our front door, they were the ones directly to the left. They had a little boy, and a baby. Henry and Theo. Henry likes to wear Toy story outfits.
The couple with the little girl is still here. (yay, Kate is a blast of funnness.)
I hope we have new neighbors as great as they were. Never had to worry about a thing. If I ever needed a little of this or that, I could knock on the door, and Vice verse.
Raine on 10/27/2011 19:02:49
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
As an aside, I am a little bummed today. Our neighbors are moving today. Leaving for California. Their house was on the market for 2 weeks and is already under contract.
The ones with the the baby? That's sad. They were nice
When you walk out of our front door, they were the ones directly to the left. They had a little boy, and a baby. Henry and Theo. Henry likes to wear Toy story outfits.
The couple with the little girl is still here. (yay, Kate is a blast of funnness.)
I hope we have new neighbors as great as they were. Never had to worry about a thing. If I ever needed a little of this or that, I could knock on the door, and Vice verse.
Comment by TriSec on 10/27/2011 19:04:07
TriSec on 10/27/2011 19:04:07
"May your neighbors not be differently-winged, but if they are, let them be civil."
The very first Four Freedoms Proverb!!
The very first Four Freedoms Proverb!!
Comment by wickedpam on 10/27/2011 19:11:59
That's who I was thinking of Forgot there was a baby on the other side of you to.
Its a shame good neighbors are hard to find
wickedpam on 10/27/2011 19:11:59
Quote by Raine:EVERYONE here has a baby!Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
As an aside, I am a little bummed today. Our neighbors are moving today. Leaving for California. Their house was on the market for 2 weeks and is already under contract.
The ones with the the baby? That's sad. They were nice
When you walk out of our front door, they were the ones directly to the left. They had a little boy, and a baby. Henry and Theo. Henry likes to wear Toy story outfits.
The couple with the little girl is still here. (yay, Kate is a blast of funnness.)
I hope we have new neighbors as great as they were. Never had to worry about a thing. If I ever needed a little of this or that, I could knock on the door, and Vice verse.
That's who I was thinking of
Forgot there was a baby on the other side of you to.Its a shame good neighbors are hard to find
Comment by livingonli on 10/27/2011 19:12:55
livingonli on 10/27/2011 19:12:55
Randi's going off on the Fox News trying to find the anti-semitism at #OWS
Comment by Raine on 10/27/2011 19:25:03
Well I am sure they were skeptical of us when we moved in -- as
Renters.
I'm gonna miss Henry. Christine told me he will never forget me. I am 'Miss Raine, the Ice pop lady'.
If I have my info correct, the next couple moving in has a six month old. As long as they aren't stick up the butt parents -- I have another child I can lovingly corrupt.
(besides they already know Bob and I are loud mouth footballs fans and they still put a bid in on the house.)
You are right, it is tough to lose good neighbors. We moved here, hell bent on being good neighbors. It's taken a while, but people know that if they need anything, they can knock on our door.
That is just how We roll in the Bob and Raine house.
Raine on 10/27/2011 19:25:03
Quote by wickedpam:
That's who I was thinking of
Its a shame good neighbors are hard to find
Renters.
I'm gonna miss Henry. Christine told me he will never forget me. I am 'Miss Raine, the Ice pop lady'.
If I have my info correct, the next couple moving in has a six month old. As long as they aren't stick up the butt parents -- I have another child I can lovingly corrupt.
(besides they already know Bob and I are loud mouth footballs fans and they still put a bid in on the house.) You are right, it is tough to lose good neighbors. We moved here, hell bent on being good neighbors. It's taken a while, but people know that if they need anything, they can knock on our door.
That is just how We roll in the Bob and Raine house.
Comment by Raine on 10/27/2011 19:29:08
This is one of those times when I miss Kentucky Fat Boy. (he was a big Mountaineer fan)
We lost touch with him after the forum went down.
One thing I learned moving to the south: College Football is a religion.
Mitch did not get that memo.
Raine on 10/27/2011 19:29:08
Quote by Scoopster:
Never fuck with another state's football team.
We lost touch with him after the forum went down.
One thing I learned moving to the south: College Football is a religion.
Mitch did not get that memo.
Comment by wickedpam on 10/27/2011 19:33:19
That least the newbie's have been warned
wickedpam on 10/27/2011 19:33:19
Quote by Raine:Well I am sure they were skeptical of us when we moved in -- asQuote by wickedpam:
That's who I was thinking of
Its a shame good neighbors are hard to find
Renters.
I'm gonna miss Henry. Christine told me he will never forget me. I am 'Miss Raine, the Ice pop lady'.
If I have my info correct, the next couple moving in has a six month old. As long as they aren't stick up the butt parents -- I have another child I can lovingly corrupt.
You are right, it is tough to lose good neighbors. We moved here, hell bent on being good neighbors. It's taken a while, but people know that if they need anything, they can knock on our door.
That is just how We roll in the Bob and Raine house.
That least the newbie's have been warned
Comment by wickedpam on 10/27/2011 19:35:02
personally I think all college sports should be done away with, I'm getting tired of hearing how hard college atletes have it with their full ride scholarships and wanting to be paid on top of that now.
wickedpam on 10/27/2011 19:35:02
Quote by Raine:This is one of those times when I miss Kentucky Fat Boy. (he was a big Mountaineer fan)Quote by Scoopster:
Never fuck with another state's football team.
We lost touch with him after the forum went down.
One thing I learned moving to the south: College Football is a religion.
Mitch did not get that memo.
personally I think all college sports should be done away with, I'm getting tired of hearing how hard college atletes have it with their full ride scholarships and wanting to be paid on top of that now.
Comment by TriSec on 10/27/2011 19:40:37
TriSec on 10/27/2011 19:40:37
Harvard still plays sports for 'the love of the game'. There's no athletic scholarships, but you can still get a full academic scholarship to the Yard. Don't know about any of the other Ivy League schools.
That's the way it should be.
That's the way it should be.
Comment by Raine on 10/27/2011 19:42:54
A lot of people who watch Fox are as well.
Let me repost what I read yesterday:
And that is why I said earlier, Occupy needs to start saying NO to certain aspects of people in the movement.
There is nothing wrong with saying NO. Re-read that link in todays blog. Actually, let me post it for y'all
This is why I agree with Chris, saying that if you don't understand, you are not paying attention -- BUT
This is also why I truly believe that they need to focus. That anti semite protester showing up is a problem. So are some of the other fringe elements. I know exactly what this is about. I think the occupiers do as well, but what is critical to me (and this was something I wanted to blog about) is that being inclusive doesn't mean accepting EVERYTHING. All one needs to understand this is to read MLK's words.
He was speaking of steps taken to achieve a goal.
Raine on 10/27/2011 19:42:54
Quote by livingonli:
Randi's going off on the Fox News trying to find the anti-semitism at #OWS
A lot of people who watch Fox are as well.
Let me repost what I read yesterday:
Why is it that the "Right" is obsessed with turning this into an Anti-Semitic issue anyway. Yet another diversion. One day you guys are in here saying that there is no organization and therefore there is no validity. The next day you hear a whisper, get a comment from anyone of the millions now standing up for their right to free speech ... (you all do remember that 1st amendment?) Now you want to declare the entire movement as being anti Jewish. Hate to burst your bubble, but I know plenty of Progressive Jews, I've spoken with people from all religions in Occupy Washington, Occupy Raleigh, Occupy Charlotte ... and I bet if I could get up to New York, Albany, out to the West Coast, the Mid-West ... I'd find the same thing.
However, concentrating on this aspect is how you guys roll ... we can waste an entire day going back and forth about whether or not this guy hates Jews, and if so, it must mean that all OWS is Anti-Semetic. Not even sure that is his point, but that is another topic, and his to answer.
So .... while you piddle away at the keyboard looking for ways to discredit the OWS movement, you yourselves forget the clearly derogatory signs of the TP movement that were ignored or better yet, blamed on those God Damn Progressive infiltrators out to destroy Dave and Chuck Koch's message of love and peace ... prosperity for all if you just get Obama out of office.
What a crock of shit. Yous guys and gals really do take the cake on the Right. The entire Wealth of the World is being horded into the private hands of a very few, and you call that "Free Markets" ... forgetting of course, that these accumulations amount to Monopolies and destroy the very nature of a true free market, competition.
You sit there and do this why ... your cornflakes are targets too guys. Do you really think that a multi-national Global corporation... any of them, really give a flying flip what happens to Americans.
OWS is a wake up call and no matter how much your team wants to paint it as ugly and wrong ... the more you make our point. These people didn't come out of nowhere. The protesters, of which I've been one in action and will keep going back, are tired of corporations getting in our way to prosperity. We're tired of them buying our politicians with plushy jobs when we finally figure out which ones are crooks and vote them out. We're tired of a rigged game ... yeah we're tired of regulations too ... except the ones we're tired of are the ones that favor those that can pay to get regulations changed ... in their favor. We're tired of ALEC, we're tired of the attacks on our teachers, our firefighters, our cops (they're waking up too ... so watch out) ... we're tired of being robbed blind.
TARP ... I didn't want that ... most Progressives would have been just fine with no bailouts ... let the dust settle where it may and that money could have been spent to make people whole ... the money would have just shifted to stable banks that didn't speculate our lives into oblivion.
I read these posts in amazement ... the Right is really delusional ... I can't for the life of me figure out what you think the end game is here. The one thing for sure is this is pointing out fundamental philosophical differences. You don't think we should have a say ... and if you keep it up, we'll eventually ... perhaps that's what is happening, won't think you should have a say either. Perhaps we'll start being just as hateful as the TP was during their little dances in the run-up to 2010.
Lines are being drawn ... and you are the ones with most of the crayons. Don't expect us to sit idly by any longer. This is not going to get any better with all this BS and diversions you'd like to attempt. Keep throwing shit at the wall ... I don't think much of it will stick at all.
Jeezzz ... talk about false equivalencies .. you guys have taken it to a new level.
And that is why I said earlier, Occupy needs to start saying NO to certain aspects of people in the movement.
There is nothing wrong with saying NO. Re-read that link in todays blog. Actually, let me post it for y'all
When the idea is a sound one, the cause is a just one, and the demonstration a righteous one, change will be forthcoming. But if any of these conditions are not present, the power for change is missing also. A thousand people demonstrating for the right to use heroin would have little effect. By the same token, a group of ten thousand marching in anger against a police station and cussing out the chief of police will do very little to bring respect, dignity and unbiased law enforcement. Such a demonstration would only produce fear and bring about an addition of forces to the station and more oppressive methods by the police.
This is why I agree with Chris, saying that if you don't understand, you are not paying attention -- BUT
This is also why I truly believe that they need to focus. That anti semite protester showing up is a problem. So are some of the other fringe elements. I know exactly what this is about. I think the occupiers do as well, but what is critical to me (and this was something I wanted to blog about) is that being inclusive doesn't mean accepting EVERYTHING. All one needs to understand this is to read MLK's words.
He was speaking of steps taken to achieve a goal.
Comment by BobR on 10/27/2011 20:00:56
Actually, as you walk out our door, they were directly on the right, the ones with whom we shared the front steps.
BobR on 10/27/2011 20:00:56
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:EVERYONE here has a baby!Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
As an aside, I am a little bummed today. Our neighbors are moving today. Leaving for California. Their house was on the market for 2 weeks and is already under contract.
The ones with the the baby? That's sad. They were nice
When you walk out of our front door, they were the ones directly to the left. They had a little boy, and a baby. Henry and Theo. Henry likes to wear Toy story outfits.
The couple with the little girl is still here. (yay, Kate is a blast of funnness.)
I hope we have new neighbors as great as they were. Never had to worry about a thing. If I ever needed a little of this or that, I could knock on the door, and Vice verse.
That's who I was thinking of
Its a shame good neighbors are hard to find
Actually, as you walk out our door, they were directly on the right, the ones with whom we shared the front steps.
Comment by Raine on 10/27/2011 20:07:23
GDMNITALL
I swear I have a brain event with my left and right. Bob is correct.
Raine on 10/27/2011 20:07:23
Quote by BobR:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:EVERYONE here has a baby!Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
As an aside, I am a little bummed today. Our neighbors are moving today. Leaving for California. Their house was on the market for 2 weeks and is already under contract.
The ones with the the baby? That's sad. They were nice
When you walk out of our front door, they were the ones directly to the left. They had a little boy, and a baby. Henry and Theo. Henry likes to wear Toy story outfits.
The couple with the little girl is still here. (yay, Kate is a blast of funnness.)
I hope we have new neighbors as great as they were. Never had to worry about a thing. If I ever needed a little of this or that, I could knock on the door, and Vice verse.
That's who I was thinking of
Its a shame good neighbors are hard to find
Actually, as you walk out our door, they were directly on the right, the ones with whom we shared the front steps.
I swear I have a brain event with my left and right. Bob is correct.
Comment by BobR on 10/27/2011 20:08:41
I am going to have to disagree. There may numerous kids out there with the drive and determination to succeed, but aren't smart enough to qualify for a scholarship, and not wealthy enough to afford it. Most college athletes never go pro, so this is an opportunity for them to get a scholarship when they otherwise might not, and then end up in trouble or barely making it through life.
If they don't turn pro, they have an education to fall back on. It would be better if anyone that wanted a college education could go, but the Republicans are dead-set against that, so this is one way to save the kids we can.
BobR on 10/27/2011 20:08:41
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:This is one of those times when I miss Kentucky Fat Boy. (he was a big Mountaineer fan)Quote by Scoopster:
Never fuck with another state's football team.
We lost touch with him after the forum went down.
One thing I learned moving to the south: College Football is a religion.
Mitch did not get that memo.
personally I think all college sports should be done away with, I'm getting tired of hearing how hard college atletes have it with their full ride scholarships and wanting to be paid on top of that now.
I am going to have to disagree. There may numerous kids out there with the drive and determination to succeed, but aren't smart enough to qualify for a scholarship, and not wealthy enough to afford it. Most college athletes never go pro, so this is an opportunity for them to get a scholarship when they otherwise might not, and then end up in trouble or barely making it through life.
If they don't turn pro, they have an education to fall back on. It would be better if anyone that wanted a college education could go, but the Republicans are dead-set against that, so this is one way to save the kids we can.
Comment by Scoopster on 10/27/2011 20:15:59
Scoopster on 10/27/2011 20:15:59
Comment by wickedpam on 10/27/2011 20:16:35
I understand where your coming from on this, I do, but I have a problem with college sports becoming the emphasis of the college. You don't go to college to play a game you go to learn new things and skills to further your life. Sports should be an after thought not the first IMO
wickedpam on 10/27/2011 20:16:35
Quote by BobR:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:This is one of those times when I miss Kentucky Fat Boy. (he was a big Mountaineer fan)Quote by Scoopster:
Never fuck with another state's football team.
We lost touch with him after the forum went down.
One thing I learned moving to the south: College Football is a religion.
Mitch did not get that memo.
personally I think all college sports should be done away with, I'm getting tired of hearing how hard college atletes have it with their full ride scholarships and wanting to be paid on top of that now.
I am going to have to disagree. There may numerous kids out there with the drive and determination to succeed, but aren't smart enough to qualify for a scholarship, and not wealthy enough to afford it. Most college athletes never go pro, so this is an opportunity for them to get a scholarship when they otherwise might not, and then end up in trouble or barely making it through life.
If they don't turn pro, they have an education to fall back on. It would be better if anyone that wanted a college education could go, but the Republicans are dead-set against that, so this is one way to save the kids we can.
I understand where your coming from on this, I do, but I have a problem with college sports becoming the emphasis of the college. You don't go to college to play a game you go to learn new things and skills to further your life. Sports should be an after thought not the first IMO
Comment by Raine on 10/27/2011 20:37:59
There are a lot of schools that have a strict academic policy. Georgia Tech being one of them. A few years ago they benched a star player for not meeting academic standards.
UGA came under serious scrutiny for JUST what you are pondering.
We can watch the football and the basketball and baseball - that is the part that is media driven and makes a lot of money. When it comes to sports, yes I agree, but I think that this is mostly media driven, They LOVE to show the saturday games. (I don;t remember that when I was a kid)
I believe that many of these kids go to college on a scholarship but learn quickly that their athleticism got them there -- what they do with that education is what is most important.
It does seem that sports as a way to get to college has become a commodity,especially in the south.
I have no problem with schools giving kids an education with the caveat that they should be teaching them first and foremost.
Raine on 10/27/2011 20:37:59
Quote by wickedpam:
I understand where your coming from on this, I do, but I have a problem with college sports becoming the emphasis of the college. You don't go to college to play a game you go to learn new things and skills to further your life. Sports should be an after thought not the first IMO
There are a lot of schools that have a strict academic policy. Georgia Tech being one of them. A few years ago they benched a star player for not meeting academic standards.
UGA came under serious scrutiny for JUST what you are pondering.
We can watch the football and the basketball and baseball - that is the part that is media driven and makes a lot of money. When it comes to sports, yes I agree, but I think that this is mostly media driven, They LOVE to show the saturday games. (I don;t remember that when I was a kid)
I believe that many of these kids go to college on a scholarship but learn quickly that their athleticism got them there -- what they do with that education is what is most important.
It does seem that sports as a way to get to college has become a commodity,especially in the south.
I have no problem with schools giving kids an education with the caveat that they should be teaching them first and foremost.
Comment by Raine on 10/27/2011 20:41:48
Raine on 10/27/2011 20:41:48
Comment by wickedpam on 10/27/2011 20:42:36
I can live with that compromise so long as schools do just that and teach first
wickedpam on 10/27/2011 20:42:36
Quote by Raine:Quote by wickedpam:
I understand where your coming from on this, I do, but I have a problem with college sports becoming the emphasis of the college. You don't go to college to play a game you go to learn new things and skills to further your life. Sports should be an after thought not the first IMO
There are a lot of schools that have a strict academic policy. Georgia Tech being one of them. A few years ago they benched a star player for not meeting academic standards.
UGA came under serious scrutiny for JUST what you are pondering.
We can watch the football and the basketball and baseball - that is the part that is media driven and makes a lot of money. When it comes to sports, yes I agree, but I think that this is mostly media driven, They LOVE to show the saturday games. (I don;t remember that when I was a kid)
I believe that many of these kids go to college on a scholarship but learn quickly that their athleticism got them there -- what they do with that education is what is most important.
It does seem that sports as a way to get to college has become a commodity,especially in the south.
I have no problem with schools giving kids an education with the caveat that they should be teaching them first and foremost.
I can live with that compromise so long as schools do just that and teach first
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/27/2011 21:16:41
Um I'm a going on Saturday. The OPD violence is making me act. They crossed a line.
Mondobubba on 10/27/2011 21:16:41
Quote by TriSec:
Anyone on our crack blogger team want to head to a local site and see about talking to some of the protesters?
If I had a freakin' free Saturday, I'd try to get to Dewey Square...but I'm not seeing any openings on the calendar until after peak now.
Um I'm a going on Saturday. The OPD violence is making me act. They crossed a line.
Comment by Raine on 10/27/2011 21:28:16
Nice, Mondo.
Make sure you stay in touch.
Raine on 10/27/2011 21:28:16
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by TriSec:
Anyone on our crack blogger team want to head to a local site and see about talking to some of the protesters?
If I had a freakin' free Saturday, I'd try to get to Dewey Square...but I'm not seeing any openings on the calendar until after peak now.
Um I'm a going on Saturday. The OPD violence is making me act. They crossed a line.
Make sure you stay in touch.
Comment by Raine on 10/27/2011 22:53:29
Raine on 10/27/2011 22:53:29
Comment by Will in Chicago on 10/27/2011 23:50:12
Congratulations, TriSec!! I hope that it works out for you.
Raine, thanks for a great blog. I shared Dr. King's letter on Facebook -- and made sure in the comments to lead people here.
Will in Chicago on 10/27/2011 23:50:12
Quote by TriSec:
A company I have been trying to get into since the last Millennium (seriously!) has just called me for an interview!!!!!!!!
Congratulations, TriSec!! I hope that it works out for you.
Raine, thanks for a great blog. I shared Dr. King's letter on Facebook -- and made sure in the comments to lead people here.