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David & Goliath
Author: BobR
Date: 03/05/2008 13:16:24
As we continue our march towards the Bush Administration's total usurpation of power, we get yet another bit of bad news. This may not be getting much play in the MSM, but Bush has gutted the Intelligence Oversight Board:
What does this mean? It means that now any abuses will be reported to one man only, who is uniquely indebted to the president for his job, and who most would prefer to have abuses never see the light of day. Perhaps the next move would be to put the head of Monsanto into the FDA to oversee the industry?
It also seems likely that Bush will veto the bill that makes the CIA abide by the same rules as the military:
These two stories dovetail nicely into each other, don't they? ("nicely" as in a nauseatingly familiar pattern...)
So what do we do? Two small Vermont towns have a suggestion. They both have voted to arrest Bush & Cheney:
If only the rest of America followed suit. If only Congress would let the impeachment bills through.
If only...
On Friday, the White House issued a new executive order effectively gutting the Intelligence Oversight Board (IOB ), “created in 1976 in the wake of widespread abuses by U.S. intelligence agencies.” Under the order, many of the IOB’s investigative powers will now be transfered to DNI Mike McConnell. “Rather than intelligence agencies reporting their activities to the board for review, they will now report them to McConnell,” the AP notes...
What does this mean? It means that now any abuses will be reported to one man only, who is uniquely indebted to the president for his job, and who most would prefer to have abuses never see the light of day. Perhaps the next move would be to put the head of Monsanto into the FDA to oversee the industry?
It also seems likely that Bush will veto the bill that makes the CIA abide by the same rules as the military:
Mr. Bush is planning to veto a law that would require the C.I.A. and all the intelligence services to abide by the restrictions on holding and interrogating prisoners contained in the United States Army Field Manual. Mr. Bush says the Army rules are too restrictive.
What are these burdens? In addition to a blanket prohibition of torture, the manual specifically bans:
- Forcing a prisoner to be naked, perform sexual acts or pose in a sexual manner.
- Placing hoods or sacks over the head of a prisoner, and using duct tape over the eyes.
- Applying beatings, electric shocks, burns or other forms of physical pain.
- Waterboarding.
- Using military working dogs.
- Inducing hypothermia or heat injury.
- Conducting mock executions.
- Depriving a prisoner of necessary food, water or medical care.
Such practices have long been prohibited by American laws and international treaties respected by Republican and Democratic presidents. Mr. Bush, however, declared that he was unbound by the laws of civilization in responding to the barbarism of Sept. 11, 2001. And reports soon surfaced about the abuse of prisoners at detention centers in Afghanistan, the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq and secret Central Intelligence Agency prisons.
These two stories dovetail nicely into each other, don't they? ("nicely" as in a nauseatingly familiar pattern...)
So what do we do? Two small Vermont towns have a suggestion. They both have voted to arrest Bush & Cheney:
Voters in two Vermont towns on Tuesday approved a measure that would instruct police to arrest President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney for "crimes against our Constitution," local media reported.
The nonbinding, symbolic measure, passed in Brattleboro and Marlboro in a state known for taking liberal positions on national issues, instructs town police to "extradite them to other authorities that may reasonably contend to prosecute them."
If only the rest of America followed suit. If only Congress would let the impeachment bills through.
If only...
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Comment by 
velveeta jones on 03/05/2008 13:38:11
velveeta jones on 03/05/2008 13:38:11
I'll entertain the troops, BobR!
A story on GMA this morning had me teary eyed. Ususally I ignore that annoyingly perky Diane and Robin and that smug Chris Cuomo and closeted Sam ...........
But this morning an interview with the Rutgers B'ball coach, the one Imus called the team "Nappy headed Ho's". She has written a book that sounds really good. One of the things that teared me up: Imus had promised to stay in touch with her and support the team, blah blah blah............ Never has.
She has written a book that ALL women should buy: Stand Tall by C. Vivian Stringer:
A story on GMA this morning had me teary eyed. Ususally I ignore that annoyingly perky Diane and Robin and that smug Chris Cuomo and closeted Sam ...........
But this morning an interview with the Rutgers B'ball coach, the one Imus called the team "Nappy headed Ho's". She has written a book that sounds really good. One of the things that teared me up: Imus had promised to stay in touch with her and support the team, blah blah blah............ Never has.
She has written a book that ALL women should buy: Stand Tall by C. Vivian Stringer:
Work hard, and don’t look for excuses,” Stringer’s parents told her, “and you can achieve anything.” But her faith and perseverance would be tested many times. A gifted athlete, she had to fight for a place on an all-white cheerleading squad in the sixties. In 1981, just as her coaching career was taking off, her fourteen-month-old daughter, Nina, was stricken with spinal meningitis. Nina would never walk or talk again. Still grieving, Stringer brought a small, poor, historically black college to the national championships—a triumph hailed as “Hoosiers with an all-female cast.” In 1991, her husband, Bill—her staunchest supporter, the father of her children, and the love of her life—fell dead of a sudden heartattack, but that same year, she led yet another young team to the Final Four.
Comment by velveeta jones on 03/05/2008 13:42:46
velveeta jones on 03/05/2008 13:42:46
Oh the thing she said that made me start crying was this: that her team had worked so hard and that women have been working for 35 years to bring sports to the (near) same level as men's..........and Imus threw 35 years of work out the window in 34 seconds, reducing women's hardships to a racist/sexist sound-bite. (I paraphase).
Comment by 
shelaghc on 03/05/2008 13:53:08
shelaghc on 03/05/2008 13:53:08
What's wrong with this picture?
Comment by 
Raine on 03/05/2008 14:00:55
Raine on 03/05/2008 14:00:55
Good morning. Cheery Blog there BobR.
Comment by velveeta jones on 03/05/2008 14:09:36
velveeta jones on 03/05/2008 14:09:36
Morning all!!
Kucinich wins Ohio primary!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(A brief sigh of relief)
Kucinich wins Ohio primary!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(A brief sigh of relief)
Comment by Raine on 03/05/2008 14:12:48
Raine on 03/05/2008 14:12:48
Hillary gained 1 or 2 delegates last night. That is it. I really hoped that last night was going to be the last of the nastiness. :(
Comment by Raine on 03/05/2008 14:16:20
Raine on 03/05/2008 14:16:20
I cannot believe that Obama even NEEDS to prove his religion.
Comment by Raine on 03/05/2008 14:21:49
Raine on 03/05/2008 14:21:49
Read MArkos' diaries about this as well.
So total for the night, thus far, is Clinton 187 186 and Obama 185. Not all votes are in, so things will change a bit. But at this point, we have a ridiculously tiny one-delegate lead for Clinton for the night, which could either produce her first delegate victory of the election, or be erased by the rest of the still-not-reported Texas caucuses.
Now according to both the Clinton and Obama campaigns, Obama entered the race with a 159 pledged delegate lead. So with some luck, Clinton ends the night about ... 157 delegates behind.
More problematic for Clinton, is that today's 370 delegates were about 38 percent of the just-shy of 1,000 remaining delegates before Tuesday's contests. That means we just had over 1/3rd of the remaining delegates allocated, with only marginal-to-none gains in the count for Clinton.
So Clinton is running out of states, and even her "big" victory Tuesday is proving little more than a pyrrhic victory.
Comment by 
Will in Chicago on 03/05/2008 14:26:16
He should not have to - however, bigotry - whether on the basis of religion, race, gendor or orientation - is still with us.
If Russ Feingold was the nominee, he would have to prove that he is not part of a Jewish conspiracy to rule the world, is not a puppet of Israel, and would have a lot of crap to deal with from various stereotypes. So, we have to counter the spin of McCain - and yes, Hillary Clinton. She should KNOW that Obama is not a Muslim based on her own campaign research if nothing else. She is being disengenuous.
Will in Chicago on 03/05/2008 14:26:16
Quote by Raine: I cannot believe that Obama even NEEDS to prove his religion.
He should not have to - however, bigotry - whether on the basis of religion, race, gendor or orientation - is still with us.
If Russ Feingold was the nominee, he would have to prove that he is not part of a Jewish conspiracy to rule the world, is not a puppet of Israel, and would have a lot of crap to deal with from various stereotypes. So, we have to counter the spin of McCain - and yes, Hillary Clinton. She should KNOW that Obama is not a Muslim based on her own campaign research if nothing else. She is being disengenuous.
Comment by Raine on 03/05/2008 14:27:17
YES! This is wonderful news!!! 
Raine on 03/05/2008 14:27:17
Quote by velveeta jones: Morning all!!
Kucinich wins Ohio primary!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(A brief sigh of relief)
Comment by Raine on 03/05/2008 14:30:01
Raine on 03/05/2008 14:30:01
I don't know how 3 wins in the past what is it, 16 elections constitutes a comeback, especially when those wins constitute a total sum gain of 1 or 2 delegates.
Comment by Raine on 03/05/2008 14:32:10
That really blew my mind. (good morning Will!!!)
I also read on the ABC Blog this morning that a clinton supporter actually wore an *Osama for Obama* t-shirt yesterday to one of her rallies.
The guy said he was muslim. It made my stomach turn. When I can find the link again I will post it.
Raine on 03/05/2008 14:32:10
Quote by will in chicago:Quote by Raine: I cannot believe that Obama even NEEDS to prove his religion.
He should not have to - however, bigotry - whether on the basis of religion, race, gendor or orientation - is still with us.
If Russ Feingold was the nominee, he would have to prove that he is not part of a Jewish conspiracy to rule the world, is not a puppet of Israel, and would have a lot of crap to deal with from various stereotypes. So, we have to counter the spin of McCain - and yes, Hillary Clinton. She should KNOW that Obama is not a Muslim based on her own campaign research if nothing else. She is being disengenuous.
I also read on the ABC Blog this morning that a clinton supporter actually wore an *Osama for Obama* t-shirt yesterday to one of her rallies.
The guy said he was muslim. It made my stomach turn. When I can find the link again I will post it.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 03/05/2008 14:32:37
Will in Chicago on 03/05/2008 14:32:37
I am working on the UNN Daily Headlines. Both Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul beat back primary challenges last night.
Comment by Raine on 03/05/2008 14:36:02
Here is the link.
Raine on 03/05/2008 14:36:02
Quote by Raine:That really blew my mind. (good morning Will!!!)Quote by will in chicago:Quote by Raine: I cannot believe that Obama even NEEDS to prove his religion.
He should not have to - however, bigotry - whether on the basis of religion, race, gendor or orientation - is still with us.
If Russ Feingold was the nominee, he would have to prove that he is not part of a Jewish conspiracy to rule the world, is not a puppet of Israel, and would have a lot of crap to deal with from various stereotypes. So, we have to counter the spin of McCain - and yes, Hillary Clinton. She should KNOW that Obama is not a Muslim based on her own campaign research if nothing else. She is being disengenuous.
I also read on the ABC Blog this morning that a clinton supporter actually wore an *Osama for Obama* t-shirt yesterday to one of her rallies.
The guy said he was muslim. It made my stomach turn. When I can find the link again I will post it.
Here is the link.
ABC News' Kate Snow and Eloise Harper report: A controversial party guest was spotted at Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's election night party in Columbus, Ohio Tuesday.
He was hard to miss. He was the one wearing the "Osama for Obama" t-shirt.
Columbus resident Todd Elbaum told ABC News his friend makes the t-shirts.
Elbaum did not hold back on his views of Obama when he was interviewed by ABC within full view of a Clinton staffer.
"The truth is he was born a Muslim, his father was a Muslim, his mother married a Muslim after divorcing his father. His grandfather was a Muslim. It doesn't matter. But what does matter is when Obama said he was never a Muslim. He was a Muslim. He was born a Muslim. He was a Muslim for six years of his life," Elbaum said.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 03/05/2008 14:37:40
Will in Chicago on 03/05/2008 14:37:40
Okay, double post.
Comment by 
BobR on 03/05/2008 14:39:26
Can ANYONE be considered to be a member of any religion from when they were born until they are 6 years old??
BobR on 03/05/2008 14:39:26
Quote by Raine:
"... He was a Muslim for six years of his life," Elbaum said.
Can ANYONE be considered to be a member of any religion from when they were born until they are 6 years old??
Comment by Raine on 03/05/2008 14:40:30
Raine on 03/05/2008 14:40:30
HEadline over at Raw Story:
Clinton thanks Karl Rove in Fox News interview... Developing...
I hope the actual story isn't as salacious as that headline.
Clinton thanks Karl Rove in Fox News interview... Developing...
I hope the actual story isn't as salacious as that headline.
Comment by 
TriSec on 03/05/2008 14:40:34
Well, good for both of them. I wouldn't want Ron Paul as president, but I think he's still an important voice to have in Congress...
And Dennis...well, he just rocks! :metal:
TriSec on 03/05/2008 14:40:34
Quote by will in chicago: I am working on the UNN Daily Headlines. Both Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul beat back primary challenges last night.
Well, good for both of them. I wouldn't want Ron Paul as president, but I think he's still an important voice to have in Congress...
And Dennis...well, he just rocks! :metal:
Comment by velveeta jones on 03/05/2008 14:49:51
velveeta jones on 03/05/2008 14:49:51
BobR, your blog post convinces me more and more that if we are not going to hold this administration accountable, then who will we hold accountable? I am strongly convinced to begin my letter writing campaign to have Congress remove the impeachment of Richard Nixon - who was not nearly as crooked as these goons! :angry:
Unimpeach Nixon
Unimpeach Nixon
Comment by Raine on 03/05/2008 14:54:14
Raine on 03/05/2008 14:54:14
A very long pause, 7 weeks. we have 7 weeks.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 03/05/2008 14:56:19
Good morning, Raine!! It is pretty disgusting that a Clinton supporter - who should know better - wore an Osama for Obama t-shirt. I would hope that Clinton would repudiate such actions - but I am not holding my breath.
Will in Chicago on 03/05/2008 14:56:19
Quote by Raine:That really blew my mind. (good morning Will!!!)Quote by will in chicago:Quote by Raine: I cannot believe that Obama even NEEDS to prove his religion.
He should not have to - however, bigotry - whether on the basis of religion, race, gendor or orientation - is still with us.
If Russ Feingold was the nominee, he would have to prove that he is not part of a Jewish conspiracy to rule the world, is not a puppet of Israel, and would have a lot of crap to deal with from various stereotypes. So, we have to counter the spin of McCain - and yes, Hillary Clinton. She should KNOW that Obama is not a Muslim based on her own campaign research if nothing else. She is being disengenuous.
I also read on the ABC Blog this morning that a clinton supporter actually wore an *Osama for Obama* t-shirt yesterday to one of her rallies.
The guy said he was muslim. It made my stomach turn. When I can find the link again I will post it.
Good morning, Raine!! It is pretty disgusting that a Clinton supporter - who should know better - wore an Osama for Obama t-shirt. I would hope that Clinton would repudiate such actions - but I am not holding my breath.
Comment by Raine on 03/05/2008 14:59:16
Well it isn't Salacious so much as it is nauseating.
Video at the link.
Raine on 03/05/2008 14:59:16
Quote by Raine: HEadline over at Raw Story:
Clinton thanks Karl Rove in Fox News interview... Developing...
I hope the actual story isn't as salacious as that headline.
Well it isn't Salacious so much as it is nauseating.
A jovial Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama took to FOX News early Monday to spin their respective performances in Tuesday’s pivotal Democratic primaries – and faced critiques from former Bush ‘architect’ Karl Rove.
Clinton parried a question about her “humanity,” wooing the network she had once decried.
“I have a little secret, which I will only tell Fox, if you promise not to tell anybody else,” she said. “You know what, I really am a human being. I know that’s hard to believe, but it happens to be true.”
Karl Rove “has handed me a note,” added Fox anchor Steve Doocy (the clip takes place at 2:51). “More US presidents have been born in the month of October than any other month. You were born in—?”
“October,” Clinton replied. “Thank you, Karl. I mean the omens are just stacking up. What can I say?”
Asked about a Rush Limbaugh effort to have Republicans vote for Clinton in Texas, Clinton said, “Be careful what you wish for, Rush.”
Obama, meanwhile, noted that he still held a sizable lead among Democratic delegates, despite Clinton’s Tuesday victories in Texas, Ohio and Rhode Island.
“It’s going to be hard for her to close the delegate lead,” Obama said. “We expect that we’ll be vigorously contesting all of these states. We are in a very strong position to win the nomination… we’re anxious to pivot to November to have a debate about which direction we want to move the country.”
Rove complimented Clinton’s performance.
“I thought it was good, light—that’s the side of her Americans don’t see much,” he said.
Meanwhile, the onetime Bush adviser attacked Obama, saying he had failed in his three years in the Senate to “achieve big things.”
“He has not done that in his three years in the Senate,” Rove quipped.
Video at the link.
Comment by 
wickedpam on 03/05/2008 15:00:41
If this were true then I know I've run through the gamet on the Protestant faiths.
Morning btw! :hug:
wickedpam on 03/05/2008 15:00:41
Quote by BobR:Quote by Raine:
"... He was a Muslim for six years of his life," Elbaum said.
Can ANYONE be considered to be a member of any religion from when they were born until they are 6 years old??
If this were true then I know I've run through the gamet on the Protestant faiths.
Morning btw! :hug:
Comment by 
livingonli on 03/05/2008 15:07:14
livingonli on 03/05/2008 15:07:14
Good morning everyone. Didn't sleep too well.
Something didn't agree with me.
Something didn't agree with me.
Comment by Raine on 03/05/2008 15:07:38
Raine on 03/05/2008 15:07:38
And people can live blog over here... 
Comment by Raine on 03/05/2008 15:08:20
Raine on 03/05/2008 15:08:20
Morning Mala and Liv!
Comment by Raine on 03/05/2008 15:10:09
Raine on 03/05/2008 15:10:09
I am not sure what side of the argument 
is debating today... 
is debating today...
Comment by Raine on 03/05/2008 15:11:26
Raine on 03/05/2008 15:11:26
No MATTER WHAT... PEOPLE MUST MAKE SURE THAT THE REPUBLICANS DO NOT WIN!!!!
GAH! These non voting people make me very nervous. (and I love you all here... please understand that.)
GAH! These non voting people make me very nervous. (and I love you all here... please understand that.)
Comment by shelaghc on 03/05/2008 15:11:49
shelaghc on 03/05/2008 15:11:49
No comments at all about the overly large picture?......
Comment by livingonli on 03/05/2008 15:12:59
I think no one wanted to quote it. As for me, I'm still just waking up.
livingonli on 03/05/2008 15:12:59
Quote by shelaghc: No comments at all about the overly large picture?......
I think no one wanted to quote it. As for me, I'm still just waking up.
Comment by Raine on 03/05/2008 15:16:00
I bump this because I think this is important. She won 3 primaries yesterday, but Obama is still something like 500,000 ahead in the popular vote and still ahead in the delegate vote. That couples with the math that it is practically impossible for her to win, I worry about the reality of the race.
Of course I am still waiting to hear about John McCain FEC filings and wether or not he broke the law.
that may change a lot of things, but the OTHER reality is that he can't leave the Public Financing portion of the game until AFTER the convention, so ANY money he is spending now, may very well mean he is breaking federal law.
Raine on 03/05/2008 15:16:00
Quote by Raine: I don't know how 3 wins in the past what is it, 16 elections constitutes a comeback, especially when those wins constitute a total sum gain of 1 or 2 delegates.
I bump this because I think this is important. She won 3 primaries yesterday, but Obama is still something like 500,000 ahead in the popular vote and still ahead in the delegate vote. That couples with the math that it is practically impossible for her to win, I worry about the reality of the race.
Of course I am still waiting to hear about John McCain FEC filings and wether or not he broke the law.
that may change a lot of things, but the OTHER reality is that he can't leave the Public Financing portion of the game until AFTER the convention, so ANY money he is spending now, may very well mean he is breaking federal law.
Comment by wickedpam on 03/05/2008 15:16:48
Ya know I'm not sure I like the format over there. I feel like I'm a fish out of water too.
wickedpam on 03/05/2008 15:16:48
Quote by Raine: And people can live blog over here...
Ya know I'm not sure I like the format over there. I feel like I'm a fish out of water too.
Comment by BobR on 03/05/2008 15:19:08
It's large all right... and amusing.
BobR on 03/05/2008 15:19:08
Quote by shelaghc: No comments at all about the overly large picture?......
It's large all right... and amusing.
Comment by wickedpam on 03/05/2008 15:19:12
wickedpam on 03/05/2008 15:19:12
I'm thinking anything anyone has on McCain should hold it until after the conventions it would do more damage then.
Comment by Raine on 03/05/2008 15:20:11
Raine on 03/05/2008 15:20:11
Wow, that was quite the p/u line there dave in buffalo... 
Comment by livingonli on 03/05/2008 15:22:59
livingonli on 03/05/2008 15:22:59
CBC report on Canadian Government NAFTA lie;
Comment by Raine on 03/05/2008 15:26:36
I thought the irony was pretty funny! (sorry I was still letting the :coffe: sink into the bloodstream)
Raine on 03/05/2008 15:26:36
Quote by shelaghc: No comments at all about the overly large picture?......
I was still letting the :coffe: sink into the bloodstream)
Comment by Raine on 03/05/2008 15:29:09
And yet people will still say he lied.
Raine on 03/05/2008 15:29:09
Quote by livingonli: CBC report on Canadian Government NAFTA lie;
And yet people will still say he lied.
Comment by velveeta jones on 03/05/2008 15:30:41
velveeta jones on 03/05/2008 15:30:41
The un-impeachment letter writing has begun!! I have already heard from a member of another board/blog of his letter going out. 10 minutes into the campaign and letters have started. Please do your part!!
unimpeach Nixon
unimpeach Nixon
Comment by wickedpam on 03/05/2008 15:34:43
Think it's quite the snapshot for how many food and body issues we have in this county.
wickedpam on 03/05/2008 15:34:43
Quote by Raine:I thought the irony was pretty funny! (sorryQuote by shelaghc: No comments at all about the overly large picture?......
Think it's quite the snapshot for how many food and body issues we have in this county.
Comment by livingonli on 03/05/2008 15:36:40
This is true. Kind of like an advertisment for bulimia.
livingonli on 03/05/2008 15:36:40
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:I thought the irony was pretty funny! (sorryQuote by shelaghc: No comments at all about the overly large picture?......
Think it's quite the snapshot for how many food and body issues we have in this county.
This is true. Kind of like an advertisment for bulimia.
Comment by Raine on 03/05/2008 15:38:04
OK!
Raine on 03/05/2008 15:38:04
Quote by velveeta jones: The un-impeachment letter writing has begun!! I have already heard from a member of another board/blog of his letter going out. 10 minutes into the campaign and letters have started. Please do your part!!
unimpeach Nixon
OK!
Comment by livingonli on 03/05/2008 15:38:44
livingonli on 03/05/2008 15:38:44
And now a word from Mike Malloy, truthseekers.
Comment by Raine on 03/05/2008 15:43:04
Raine on 03/05/2008 15:43:04
:foil: still needs to work on that Barack impression... it is a good start, but ...
Comment by Raine on 03/05/2008 15:44:21
Raine on 03/05/2008 15:44:21
OMG, Shweaty Balls, I love to eat your shweaty balls...
Comment by livingonli on 03/05/2008 15:47:56
But, are they as good as Chocolate Salty Balls?
livingonli on 03/05/2008 15:47:56
Quote by Raine: OMG, Shweaty Balls, I love to eat your shweaty balls...
But, are they as good as Chocolate Salty Balls?
Comment by Raine on 03/05/2008 15:48:37
Raine on 03/05/2008 15:48:37
:banana: A beautiful Day! :banana:
Love this song!
Love this song!
Comment by wickedpam on 03/05/2008 15:51:16
wickedpam on 03/05/2008 15:51:16
I think I can honestly say - I don't know that I like some of the people on Steph's live blog.
Comment by Raine on 03/05/2008 15:52:02
Raine on 03/05/2008 15:52:02
Mala: 
Comment by Raine on 03/05/2008 15:53:17
yeah I saw that comment, and I agree, I don't like the whole painting woman as either good or bad like that.
You were right to say something.
Raine on 03/05/2008 15:53:17
Quote by wickedpam: I think I can honestly say - I don't know that I like some of the people on Steph's live blog.
You were right to say something.
Comment by livingonli on 03/05/2008 15:53:41
Granted we don't know any of them, but they haven't bonded together the way the people on this blog have.
livingonli on 03/05/2008 15:53:41
Quote by wickedpam: I think I can honestly say - I don't know that I like some of the people on Steph's live blog.
Granted we don't know any of them, but they haven't bonded together the way the people on this blog have.
Comment by BobR on 03/05/2008 15:54:11
I think it's probably a good representation of her listeners. Not saying that's a bad thing, but just an observation.
BobR on 03/05/2008 15:54:11
Quote by wickedpam: I think I can honestly say - I don't know that I like some of the people on Steph's live blog.
I think it's probably a good representation of her listeners. Not saying that's a bad thing, but just an observation.
Comment by wickedpam on 03/05/2008 15:54:36
wickedpam on 03/05/2008 15:54:36
Thanks Raine.
Although I did just find someone from one of my old stomping ground (Wilmington, NC) I invited them here.
Although I did just find someone from one of my old stomping ground (Wilmington, NC) I invited them here.
Comment by wickedpam on 03/05/2008 15:55:44
wickedpam on 03/05/2008 15:55:44
Liv, Bob- I think ya'll are right it's very "wild westy" there right now. I guess it will settle down once it's not so new.
Comment by Raine on 03/05/2008 15:56:27
Raine on 03/05/2008 15:56:27
Uh.. As Ohio goes???
Kerry won Ohio, Dukakis won Ohio... I believe Mondale won Ohio.
Those races didn't work out so well for the General elections and Dems.
Kerry won Ohio, Dukakis won Ohio... I believe Mondale won Ohio.
Those races didn't work out so well for the General elections and Dems.
Comment by Raine on 03/05/2008 15:58:24
Raine on 03/05/2008 15:58:24
Sigh... This is all just getting so nasty. This entire race. I really despise it.
Comment by livingonli on 03/05/2008 16:00:41
Same here. It feels like a civil war within the party. Especially when neither is as liberal. progressive or enough to the left for my tasts.
livingonli on 03/05/2008 16:00:41
Quote by Raine: Sigh... This is all just getting so nasty. This entire race. I really despise it.
Same here. It feels like a civil war within the party. Especially when neither is as liberal. progressive or enough to the left for my tasts.
Comment by Raine on 03/05/2008 16:02:21
Raine on 03/05/2008 16:02:21
YEah, it is getting yougly over at the SMS blog.
Comment by Raine on 03/05/2008 16:04:53
Raine on 03/05/2008 16:04:53
IT is getting to the point where I am afraid to say anything critical of either candidate for being accusing of being a part of a *cult* or a hater player.
it is ridiculous. All I know is that I do not like the tactics that one campaign is using. If we as dems are reduced to using Republican tactics to win a race, then I think we have become that thing that we have hated for over 8 uears.
And it also means that dems don't have enough faith in thier own ideals to win an election. That is a sad day for the democratic party.
it is ridiculous. All I know is that I do not like the tactics that one campaign is using. If we as dems are reduced to using Republican tactics to win a race, then I think we have become that thing that we have hated for over 8 uears.
And it also means that dems don't have enough faith in thier own ideals to win an election. That is a sad day for the democratic party.
Comment by wickedpam on 03/05/2008 16:06:05
wickedpam on 03/05/2008 16:06:05
That's why I still say I'm an Edwards supporter.
Comment by livingonli on 03/05/2008 16:07:10
livingonli on 03/05/2008 16:07:10
How about Raine for President? 
Comment by wickedpam on 03/05/2008 16:08:07
wickedpam on 03/05/2008 16:08:07
about 1/4 or which is people sniping at each other.
Comment by Raine on 03/05/2008 16:08:12
I found a few people that live right near us. Once I can get them over hear, maybe bob and I could have a mini Atl meetup!
Raine on 03/05/2008 16:08:12
Quote by wickedpam: Thanks Raine.
Although I did just find someone from one of my old stomping ground (Wilmington, NC) I invited them here.
Comment by Raine on 03/05/2008 16:09:36
Raine on 03/05/2008 16:09:36
I would never want to be in public office, I am far too emotional for it.
Comment by livingonli on 03/05/2008 16:11:53
livingonli on 03/05/2008 16:11:53
Democrats are dumb.
I guess we can all just go and hold our breaths if we don't get the candidate we want while McCain further destroys the country after the poisonous Bush legacy.
I guess we can all just go and hold our breaths if we don't get the candidate we want while McCain further destroys the country after the poisonous Bush legacy.
Comment by BobR on 03/05/2008 16:12:15
BobR on 03/05/2008 16:12:15
I confess I did make an ugly post over there, but I figured the best response to stupid sarcasm is more stupid sarcasm. I figured maybe that would help them see the error of their ways.
I'm an optimist, I know.
I'm an optimist, I know.
Comment by Raine on 03/05/2008 16:13:35
Raine on 03/05/2008 16:13:35
FUCK THAT! NO!!!
Obama should NEVER have to deal with this kind of shit from a member of his own go*D*AMN PARTY!!!!
Obama should NEVER have to deal with this kind of shit from a member of his own go*D*AMN PARTY!!!!
Comment by wickedpam on 03/05/2008 16:14:01
wickedpam on 03/05/2008 16:14:01
It's hard to be sarastic and snarky without good emoticons 
Comment by Raine on 03/05/2008 16:14:45
Raine on 03/05/2008 16:14:45
I am gonna miss the huckster....
Comment by livingonli on 03/05/2008 16:15:54
That's for sure. We love our snark.
livingonli on 03/05/2008 16:15:54
Quote by wickedpam: It's hard to be sarastic and snarky without good emoticons
That's for sure. We love our snark.
Comment by wickedpam on 03/05/2008 16:18:49
Ya have to admit he did bring a good sense of humor with him. The huckabump will be missed.
wickedpam on 03/05/2008 16:18:49
Quote by Raine: I am gonna miss the huckster....
Ya have to admit he did bring a good sense of humor with him. The huckabump will be missed.
Comment by Raine on 03/05/2008 16:19:02
Raine on 03/05/2008 16:19:02
Today's show makes me want to start drinking before noon.
Or it could be the bloggie over there. I want people to know that we have a nice place over here if the want to visit after SMS.
And I think we do have a nice place.
Or it could be the bloggie over there. I want people to know that we have a nice place over here if the want to visit after SMS.
And I think we do have a nice place.
Comment by livingonli on 03/05/2008 16:21:00
livingonli on 03/05/2008 16:21:00
This is a nice place here.
Where has Faye been. Now it's two days and no en bloggie. I hope she's OK.
Where has Faye been. Now it's two days and no en bloggie. I hope she's OK.
Comment by Raine on 03/05/2008 16:24:09
Raine on 03/05/2008 16:24:09
Way to go VJ, I posted your link over there, but it wasn't the same without your literary flair and panache!
Comment by wickedpam on 03/05/2008 16:29:42
wickedpam on 03/05/2008 16:29:42
I love our place over here. We have throw pillows, beer, raintinis, fainting couches - what more could a blogger want 
Comment by Raine on 03/05/2008 16:29:44
I am gonna have to go check out her bloggie. I hope she is alright...
Raine on 03/05/2008 16:29:44
Quote by livingonli: This is a nice place here.
Where has Faye been. Now it's two days and no en bloggie. I hope she's OK.
Comment by TriSec on 03/05/2008 16:32:37
TriSec on 03/05/2008 16:32:37
As always, late to the party.
So I see Momma has undercut us by opening her own blog. I find this to be traitorous and disloyal.
I'm firing up "The Maddowan" with a full warload and heading for LA! :pirate:
So I see Momma has undercut us by opening her own blog. I find this to be traitorous and disloyal.
I'm firing up "The Maddowan" with a full warload and heading for LA! :pirate:
Comment by Raine on 03/05/2008 16:34:18
Raine on 03/05/2008 16:34:18
ou know when I hear people say that Obama has to toughen up, that he should know that these attakcs were coming that this is the way it is and that he isn't aware... blah blah...
All I can say is do you think that he isn't aware that he is a Black Man running for president? Do you think that he doesn't know about the right wing smear machine? Do you think he grew up ina bubble?
I find it incredibly presumptuous of people to assume that Barck Hussein Obama Didn't think that his name would be an issue or his skin colour. He has been who is is his whole life.
Telling him how things are assumes that he never really was aware of these things to begin with. That is stupid arrogant thinking.
He is a smart intelligent man who knows full well what the stakes are in this game.
All I can say is do you think that he isn't aware that he is a Black Man running for president? Do you think that he doesn't know about the right wing smear machine? Do you think he grew up ina bubble?
I find it incredibly presumptuous of people to assume that Barck Hussein Obama Didn't think that his name would be an issue or his skin colour. He has been who is is his whole life.
Telling him how things are assumes that he never really was aware of these things to begin with. That is stupid arrogant thinking.
He is a smart intelligent man who knows full well what the stakes are in this game.
Comment by livingonli on 03/05/2008 16:35:59
HDTV?
livingonli on 03/05/2008 16:35:59
Quote by wickedpam: I love our place over here. We have throw pillows, beer, raintinis, fainting couches - what more could a blogger want
HDTV?
Comment by TriSec on 03/05/2008 16:36:31
TriSec on 03/05/2008 16:36:31
I broke the blog, didn't I?
:kickcan:
: shuffles off to fix the post :
:kickcan:
: shuffles off to fix the post :
Comment by TriSec on 03/05/2008 16:39:13
TriSec on 03/05/2008 16:39:13
"The Maddowan" under enemy fire from the SMS live blog...
Comment by wickedpam on 03/05/2008 16:39:27
So long as it's not wall-sized. THose things creep me out - very Farenheit 451.
wickedpam on 03/05/2008 16:39:27
Quote by livingonli:Quote by wickedpam: I love our place over here. We have throw pillows, beer, raintinis, fainting couches - what more could a blogger want
HDTV?
So long as it's not wall-sized. THose things creep me out - very Farenheit 451.
Comment by Raine on 03/05/2008 16:39:45
I thought it was pretty funny!
Raine on 03/05/2008 16:39:45
Quote by TriSec: I broke the blog, didn't I?
:kickcan:
: shuffles off to fix the post :
Comment by Raine on 03/05/2008 16:40:21
Raine on 03/05/2008 16:40:21
You know when Hillary ran for Senator, she never used these tactics.
Comment by TriSec on 03/05/2008 16:42:05
TriSec on 03/05/2008 16:42:05
Hillary was a carpetbagger.
Comment by livingonli on 03/05/2008 16:42:11
So did I.
livingonli on 03/05/2008 16:42:11
Quote by Raine:I thought it was pretty funny!Quote by TriSec: I broke the blog, didn't I?
:kickcan:
: shuffles off to fix the post :
So did I.
Comment by Raine on 03/05/2008 16:50:00
Raine on 03/05/2008 16:50:00
Wha? It's always darkest before it goes black?
Comment by Raine on 03/05/2008 16:51:11
Raine on 03/05/2008 16:51:11
That sttement peeves me off to no end.
Say whatever you want about Obama, he has WAY more than a speech. it was just not cool.
Say whatever you want about Obama, he has WAY more than a speech. it was just not cool.
Comment by livingonli on 03/05/2008 16:52:28
livingonli on 03/05/2008 16:52:28
Boy, Rush is such a bad liar and a disgusting racist. 
Comment by Raine on 03/05/2008 16:54:12
Raine on 03/05/2008 16:54:12
I just read that gas has been spotted at over 5 bucks a gallon in LA.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 03/05/2008 16:55:46
Will in Chicago on 03/05/2008 16:55:46
Friends, I have a dilemma. Do I listen to Thom Hartmann or do I listen to a certain host who is supposed to have Terry McAulife on?
Comment by livingonli on 03/05/2008 16:57:47
Terry was on Thom's show already this week.
livingonli on 03/05/2008 16:57:47
Quote by will in chicago: Friends, I have a dilemma. Do I listen to Thom Hartmann or do I listen to a certain host who is supposed to have Terry McAulife on?
Terry was on Thom's show already this week.
Comment by Raine on 03/05/2008 17:04:15
Raine on 03/05/2008 17:04:15
HEya Mala, Over at the SMS blog, you can put in the web address for 4F in, then your name will show up red and people can click on your name and be brought right over here!
Comment by Will in Chicago on 03/05/2008 17:05:54
Will in Chicago on 03/05/2008 17:05:54
Okay, I have to listen to Ed when I am on the road here. So, let me get Thom's take.
Comment by Raine on 03/05/2008 17:07:06
What host is that, Will?
Raine on 03/05/2008 17:07:06
Quote by will in chicago: Friends, I have a dilemma. Do I listen to Thom Hartmann or do I listen to a certain host who is supposed to have Terry McAulife on?
Comment by wickedpam on 03/05/2008 17:09:51
OOOOoohhhhhhh is that what that was for! :doh:
wickedpam on 03/05/2008 17:09:51
Quote by Raine: HEya Mala, Over at the SMS blog, you can put in the web address for 4F in, then your name will show up red and people can click on your name and be brought right over here!
OOOOoohhhhhhh is that what that was for! :doh:
Comment by Raine on 03/05/2008 17:14:34
:hug:
I didn't know that I could do that at other blogs until recently.
Raine on 03/05/2008 17:14:34
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine: HEya Mala, Over at the SMS blog, you can put in the web address for 4F in, then your name will show up red and people can click on your name and be brought right over here!
OOOOoohhhhhhh is that what that was for! :doh:
I didn't know that I could do that at other blogs until recently.
Comment by livingonli on 03/05/2008 17:18:36
livingonli on 03/05/2008 17:18:36
All that blogging wore me out. I better go take a shower.
Comment by Raine on 03/05/2008 17:33:09
Raine on 03/05/2008 17:33:09
Will: I responded to your PM.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 03/05/2008 17:45:48
Ed Schultz, but I am liking Thom's take today.
Raine, I responded to the PM.
Will in Chicago on 03/05/2008 17:45:48
Quote by Raine:What host is that, Will?Quote by will in chicago: Friends, I have a dilemma. Do I listen to Thom Hartmann or do I listen to a certain host who is supposed to have Terry McAulife on?
Ed Schultz, but I am liking Thom's take today.
Raine, I responded to the PM.
Comment by Raine on 03/05/2008 17:53:29
Raine on 03/05/2008 17:53:29
My apologies regarding the assumption made that PA was the next PRimary.
It isn't Wyoming is on the 8th of march, and Mississippi is on MArch !!. Does anyone know how many delagates are up for grabs in those states?
And how they are polling the condidates?
Somehow it seems like Miss is being forgotten about.
Sad to say, but Wyoming is so sparsly populated, I can only imagine a couple for them.
Comment by TriSec on 03/05/2008 17:54:54
TriSec on 03/05/2008 17:54:54
The Royal Saugonian Shakespearean acting Troop hereby presents....
Today's Emoticon Theatre!
Today's Emoticon Theatre!
Comment by shelaghc on 03/05/2008 17:57:35
Will, get yourself and MP3 player and you *never* have to listen to Schlitz when you're on the road. Just download someone with intelligence and listen to them instead.
shelaghc on 03/05/2008 17:57:35
Quote by will in chicago: Okay, I have to listen to Ed when I am on the road here. So, let me get Thom's take.
Will, get yourself and MP3 player and you *never* have to listen to Schlitz when you're on the road. Just download someone with intelligence and listen to them instead.
Comment by velveeta jones on 03/05/2008 18:00:05
velveeta jones on 03/05/2008 18:00:05
Ya'll, all this party bickering has got me to thinking. I'm making a bumper sticker that'll read:
I might get them made and see if'n I can sell some around here......... tee hee.
RU PAUL for President. Black and a woman!
I might get them made and see if'n I can sell some around here......... tee hee.
Comment by wickedpam on 03/05/2008 18:00:54
You could do Cafe Press.
wickedpam on 03/05/2008 18:00:54
Quote by velveeta jones: Ya'll, all this party bickering has got me to thinking. I'm making a bumper sticker that'll read:RU PAUL for President. Black and a woman!
I might get them made and see if'n I can sell some around here......... tee hee.
You could do Cafe Press.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 03/05/2008 18:04:04
According to an article on Wikipedia, Wyoming has 7 delegates to offer up and Mississippi has 22 (18 and 40 if you add in super delegates.)
Will in Chicago on 03/05/2008 18:04:04
Quote by Raine: My apologies regarding the assumption made that PA was the next PRimary.
It isn't Wyoming is on the 8th of march, and Mississippi is on MArch !!. Does anyone know how many delagates are up for grabs in those states?
And how they are polling the condidates?
Somehow it seems like Miss is being forgotten about.
Sad to say, but Wyoming is so sparsly populated, I can only imagine a couple for them.
According to an article on Wikipedia, Wyoming has 7 delegates to offer up and Mississippi has 22 (18 and 40 if you add in super delegates.)
Comment by Raine on 03/05/2008 18:05:50
Raine on 03/05/2008 18:05:50
I have a question for those more schooled in political History. is it Common for a sitting president to give an endorsment of the candidate for his party on the grounds of the white house??
Did Bill Clinton do so with Al Gore?
Did Ronald RayGun?
Comment by wickedpam on 03/05/2008 18:08:42
wickedpam on 03/05/2008 18:08:42
That's a good question for Thom
Comment by 
clintster on 03/05/2008 18:37:52
clintster on 03/05/2008 18:37:52
Hey Raine, where you at? Let's set up a meet and greet.
Comment by wickedpam on 03/05/2008 18:49:11
wickedpam on 03/05/2008 18:49:11
Hey Clint! Welcome to 4F!
I think Raine went to grab some lunch, she should be back in a little bit!
I think Raine went to grab some lunch, she should be back in a little bit!
Comment by velveeta jones on 03/05/2008 18:52:10
velveeta jones on 03/05/2008 18:52:10
I do believe Ronnie was too "far gone" to be endorsing anyone other than the manufacturers of Adult Pampers................ don't recall Clinton, think he smartly laid low.
Comment by livingonli on 03/05/2008 18:54:02
livingonli on 03/05/2008 18:54:02
Mia Farrow is on with Thom Hartmann..
Welcome aboard, Clintster. We are a wacky, lovable bunch.
Welcome aboard, Clintster. We are a wacky, lovable bunch.
Comment by TriSec on 03/05/2008 18:55:01
TriSec on 03/05/2008 18:55:01
About RayGun:
LEAD: Having adhered to his vow to remain neutral in the Republican Presidential campaign as long as the nominee was in doubt, President Reagan is expected to endorse Vice President Bush on Wednesday.
Having adhered to his vow to remain neutral in the Republican Presidential campaign as long as the nominee was in doubt, President Reagan is expected to endorse Vice President Bush on Wednesday.
Mr. Reagan is expected to make his announcement in an appearance at the annual President's Dinner fund-raising event for the Republican Party, White House and Republican sources said today.
Although the Republican Presidential contest has been regarded as a settled affair for some time, it was not until the Pennsylvania primary April 26 that Mr. Bush clinched a majority of the 2,277 Republican delegates.
LEAD: Having adhered to his vow to remain neutral in the Republican Presidential campaign as long as the nominee was in doubt, President Reagan is expected to endorse Vice President Bush on Wednesday.
Having adhered to his vow to remain neutral in the Republican Presidential campaign as long as the nominee was in doubt, President Reagan is expected to endorse Vice President Bush on Wednesday.
Mr. Reagan is expected to make his announcement in an appearance at the annual President's Dinner fund-raising event for the Republican Party, White House and Republican sources said today.
Although the Republican Presidential contest has been regarded as a settled affair for some time, it was not until the Pennsylvania primary April 26 that Mr. Bush clinched a majority of the 2,277 Republican delegates.
Comment by velveeta jones on 03/05/2008 18:55:56
velveeta jones on 03/05/2008 18:55:56
Here tis: my home-made sticker. This'll drive the Ron Paul-aholics nutzo!! They are all over the place down in here.
Comment by livingonli on 03/05/2008 19:00:30
livingonli on 03/05/2008 19:00:30
That is awesome, VJ and a hoot.
Comment by wickedpam on 03/05/2008 19:05:00
wickedpam on 03/05/2008 19:05:00
Too funny Vel! Do they have bumper sticker paper out there cause I know bunch I could make!
Comment by livingonli on 03/05/2008 19:06:06
livingonli on 03/05/2008 19:06:06
I feel so small with all this creativity around me.
Comment by Raine on 03/05/2008 19:30:27
Raine on 03/05/2008 19:30:27
Back from Lunch... My goodness it is loverly outside today. A bit chilly but incredibly sunny.
Comment by wickedpam on 03/05/2008 19:32:36
wickedpam on 03/05/2008 19:32:36
Quote by clintster: Hey Raine, where you at? Let's set up a meet and greet.
Comment by Raine on 03/05/2008 19:36:17
HEya Clinster!
You picked the pancake bunny as your emoticon!
So yeah, when is a good time for a meat up? I know that BobR works from hom on wendesdays... plus we are around pretty much the evening and weekends!
(and yes we are a twisted bunch around here. )
Before the SMS show went to the live blog, Prod chris ( ) used to post here every now and then.
Raine on 03/05/2008 19:36:17
Quote by clintster: Hey Raine, where you at? Let's set up a meet and greet.
So yeah, when is a good time for a meat up? I know that BobR works from hom on wendesdays... plus we are around pretty much the evening and weekends!
(and yes we are a twisted bunch around here. )
Before the SMS show went to the live blog, Prod chris ( ) used to post here every now and then.
Comment by Raine on 03/05/2008 19:39:04
So it seems as tho even RayGun didn't use the White house fopr a political endorsment.
Something about what the pResident did today botherr s the heck outta me!
Raine on 03/05/2008 19:39:04
Quote by TriSec: Mr. Reagan is expected to make his announcement in an appearance at the annual President's Dinner fund-raising event for the Republican Party, White House and Republican sources said today.
Comment by velveeta jones on 03/05/2008 19:41:28
velveeta jones on 03/05/2008 19:41:28
Harrumph, Clintster gets the Pancake bunny? Harrumph, I hope he'd not funnier than me.............
Harrumph I say!
Harrumph I say!
Comment by Raine on 03/05/2008 19:44:19
:redface: I meant meet up...
Raine on 03/05/2008 19:44:19
Quote by Raine:HEya Clinster! You picked the pancake bunny as your emoticon!Quote by clintster: Hey Raine, where you at? Let's set up a meet and greet.
Comment by Raine on 03/05/2008 19:45:46
:hug: only you could create a Ru Paul for president bumber sticker... I think you NEED to get that baby up on cafe press ASAP!
Raine on 03/05/2008 19:45:46
Quote by velveeta jones: Harrumph, Clintster gets the Pancake bunny? Harrumph, I hope he'd not funnier than me............. Harrumph I say!
Comment by clintster on 03/05/2008 19:57:34
clintster on 03/05/2008 19:57:34
Next Wednesday sounds good. The Brick okay with y'all?
Comment by Raine on 03/05/2008 20:04:25
Sounds great! NAme the time. Maybe we can get Lesley to show up as well!
Raine on 03/05/2008 20:04:25
Quote by clintster: Next Wednesday sounds good. The Brick okay with y'all?
Comment by clintster on 03/05/2008 20:06:20
Velveeta, I'm not sure if I am funnier than you, but I can at least try to keep up. Now if you'll excuse me I have to meet Guy LaFleur at the Bark Park in Sheboygan (lady with the flayvin...)
clintster on 03/05/2008 20:06:20
Quote by velveeta jones: Harrumph, Clintster gets the Pancake bunny? Harrumph, I hope he'd not funnier than me.............
Harrumph I say!
Velveeta, I'm not sure if I am funnier than you, but I can at least try to keep up. Now if you'll excuse me I have to meet Guy LaFleur at the Bark Park in Sheboygan (lady with the flayvin...)
Comment by Raine on 03/05/2008 20:07:43
Raine on 03/05/2008 20:07:43
Comment by velveeta jones on 03/05/2008 20:08:09
:rofl:
velveeta jones on 03/05/2008 20:08:09
Quote by clintster:Quote by velveeta jones: Harrumph, Clintster gets the Pancake bunny? Harrumph, I hope he'd not funnier than me.............
Harrumph I say!
Velveeta, I'm not sure if I am funnier than you, but I can at least try to keep up. Now if you'll excuse me I have to meet Guy LaFleur at the Bark Park in Sheboygan (lady with the flayvin...)
:rofl:
Comment by Raine on 03/05/2008 20:08:47
Raine on 03/05/2008 20:08:47
You can never have too much funny!
Comment by clintster on 03/05/2008 20:09:23
clintster on 03/05/2008 20:09:23
Raine, howsabout 12:30? We can change it if there's any problem.
Comment by livingonli on 03/05/2008 20:13:11
It was also on the front page of today's NY Post. Murdoch must love putting fuel on this fire.
livingonli on 03/05/2008 20:13:11
Quote by Raine: Please tell me this is not true. It makes me sick.
It was also on the front page of today's NY Post. Murdoch must love putting fuel on this fire.
Comment by TriSec on 03/05/2008 20:36:27
TriSec on 03/05/2008 20:36:27
shakes head sadly...
Yeah, there's a candidate for change right there. All she did was change the tactics from "R" to "D".
Yeah, there's a candidate for change right there. All she did was change the tactics from "R" to "D".
Comment by Raine on 03/05/2008 20:37:30
Raine on 03/05/2008 20:37:30
OK, I just got off the phone with my sister. She said that she watched the McCain press confernace after Bush gave him the pat onthe back. She mentioned to me that one of the reporters did asl John McCain about how much money he has so far spent... he deferred to his advisor he reportedly said 52 million... she is not sure if she heard that number correctly and I am looking for a trancript of it. She saw it on CNN. I am having a very hard time believing that he only spent 3 million dollars in February... And even if that is the case, that only leaves him with 2 million left to legally spend on advertising before the convention. This is a very important reason for us to get a nominee, becuase then we can go after the GOP, expecially now that the GOP's candidate only has a few peices of scratch left to spend.
Comment by Raine on 03/05/2008 20:39:14
Sounds good! me and BobR will be there! if the weather is nice, first one there grab an outdoor seat!
Raine on 03/05/2008 20:39:14
Quote by clintster: Raine, howsabout 12:30? We can change it if there's any problem.
Comment by TriSec on 03/05/2008 20:42:02
TriSec on 03/05/2008 20:42:02
****FOUR FREEDOMS NEWS ALERT****
Breaking...
Washington, DC
Rumours are hot and heavy about an unnamed female senator that is allegedly having sex with former President Bill Clinton.
Unnamed sources report that he has been offering unsolicited advise concerning the current democratic presidential campaign, and may be influencing certain powers within the Democratic power structure.
When pressed for a comment, the Obama campaign issued the following statement:
"We hope the rumors are not true. It would be unfortunate if the former President would be using sex as a way to gain influence within the party structure, and it may even be illegal if he's influencing the presidential campaign in any way."
Although not specifically named in the allegation, Senator Clinton declined to comment on this story.
Stay tuned to this space for further updates.
Breaking...
Washington, DC
Rumours are hot and heavy about an unnamed female senator that is allegedly having sex with former President Bill Clinton.
Unnamed sources report that he has been offering unsolicited advise concerning the current democratic presidential campaign, and may be influencing certain powers within the Democratic power structure.
When pressed for a comment, the Obama campaign issued the following statement:
"We hope the rumors are not true. It would be unfortunate if the former President would be using sex as a way to gain influence within the party structure, and it may even be illegal if he's influencing the presidential campaign in any way."
Although not specifically named in the allegation, Senator Clinton declined to comment on this story.
Stay tuned to this space for further updates.
Comment by Raine on 03/05/2008 20:42:30
Raine on 03/05/2008 20:42:30
So Clint, what do ya think of the joint? have you checked out our audicons?
(which btw, we will be updating a few of them in the coming days. )
)
Comment by Raine on 03/05/2008 20:44:06
:rofl:
Raine on 03/05/2008 20:44:06
****FOUR FREEDOMS NEWS ALERT****
Comment by livingonli on 03/05/2008 20:46:47
livingonli on 03/05/2008 20:46:47
BobR and Raine, I e-mailed my contact info for the DC meet-up.
Comment by Raine on 03/05/2008 20:51:05
:rage: 
:rage: :rage: :rage: :rage:
Raine on 03/05/2008 20:51:05
:rage: :rage: :rage: :rage:
I'm sorry this is totally unacceptable. The party needs to pull her back in line.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 03/05/2008 20:51:58
Furthermore, inside sources say that there is some sado-masochism with the sound of things going KONK! in the night. There also are reports of significant expenditures on cookware.
Will in Chicago on 03/05/2008 20:51:58
Quote by Raine:****FOUR FREEDOMS NEWS ALERT****
:rofl:
Furthermore, inside sources say that there is some sado-masochism with the sound of things going KONK! in the night. There also are reports of significant expenditures on cookware.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 03/05/2008 20:53:28
Will in Chicago on 03/05/2008 20:53:28
Raine, I think Obama should make an issue of it or at least Howard Dean.
This is unacceptable behavior in a primary.
This is unacceptable behavior in a primary.
Comment by livingonli on 03/05/2008 20:56:51
Hillary in a dominatrix outfit. I don't know whether to or 
livingonli on 03/05/2008 20:56:51
Quote by will in chicago:Quote by Raine:****FOUR FREEDOMS NEWS ALERT****
:rofl:
Furthermore, inside sources say that there is some sado-masochism with the sound of things going KONK! in the night. There also are reports of significant expenditures on cookware.
Hillary in a dominatrix outfit. I don't know whether to
or
Comment by Raine on 03/05/2008 20:58:31
There is another audicon we need to add!
Raine on 03/05/2008 20:58:31
Quote by will in chicago:Furthermore, inside sources say that there is some sado-masochism with the sound of things going KONK! in the night. There also are reports of significant expenditures on cookware.Quote by Raine::rofl:****FOUR FREEDOMS NEWS ALERT****
Comment by TriSec on 03/05/2008 21:04:17
TriSec on 03/05/2008 21:04:17
Oh dear, and we have a new member here today.
Listen Clint, TriSec isn't normally like this. But I've got a lot of stuff going on see, and I've been under a lot of stress recently...
Oh, who am I kidding.
But you can't make me go to the penalty box. Nope. Not gonna do it.
Listen Clint, TriSec isn't normally like this. But I've got a lot of stuff going on see, and I've been under a lot of stress recently...
Oh, who am I kidding.
But you can't make me go to the penalty box. Nope. Not gonna do it.
Comment by Raine on 03/05/2008 21:09:41
Raine on 03/05/2008 21:09:41
Comment by livingonli on 03/05/2008 21:19:42
livingonli on 03/05/2008 21:19:42
Time to grab a quick bite to eat and then the late shift at the salt mine. 
Comment by velveeta jones on 03/05/2008 21:45:05
Thanks Bunny! Done and done! Hillary has me grinding mah damn teeth today.
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.
velveeta jones on 03/05/2008 21:45:05
Thanks Bunny! Done and done! Hillary has me grinding mah damn teeth today.
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 03/05/2008 21:54:48
Will in Chicago on 03/05/2008 21:54:48
Comment by 
IzzyBitz on 03/05/2008 22:09:32
IzzyBitz on 03/05/2008 22:09:32
So this is where the kiddies play! This seems like a nice bloggie. I checked out the new SMS live blog and it is not so nice a place. Hopefully the icky people will fall out and it will be a good playground someday.
I have a spare bed of feathers if TriSec needs a place to stay during his mission.
I have a spare bed of feathers if TriSec needs a place to stay during his mission.
Comment by wickedpam on 03/05/2008 22:12:42
wickedpam on 03/05/2008 22:12:42
Izzy!
Comment by velveeta jones on 03/05/2008 22:22:09
velveeta jones on 03/05/2008 22:22:09
Evening all............
Off to work!
Hellow Izzy! (If that is indeed your real name).
Off to work!
Hellow Izzy! (If that is indeed your real name).
Comment by Raine on 03/05/2008 22:53:37
HEllo Izzy! Nice to see you!
Raine on 03/05/2008 22:53:37
Quote by IzzyBitz: So this is where the kiddies play! This seems like a nice bloggie. I checked out the new SMS live blog and it is not so nice a place. Hopefully the icky people will fall out and it will be a good playground someday. I have a spare bed of feathers if TriSec needs a place to stay during his mission.
Comment by Raine on 03/05/2008 22:56:07
Raine on 03/05/2008 22:56:07
I dunno know why he wouldn't want to go to the penalty box.. all you can drink Raintini's are in there!
Comment by BobR on 03/05/2008 23:18:49
Hey!
Welcome!! :party:
BobR on 03/05/2008 23:18:49
Quote by IzzyBitz: So this is where the kiddies play! This seems like a nice bloggie. I checked out the new SMS live blog and it is not so nice a place. Hopefully the icky people will fall out and it will be a good playground someday.
I have a spare bed of feathers if TriSec needs a place to stay during his mission.
Hey!
Welcome!! :party:
Comment by Raine on 03/05/2008 23:33:54
Will I am sorry, I left to go to the grocery store before I saw this. But, I will as soon as I am done doing my software update.
And I will post it with my rant if that is alright with you... only I will be nicer than I was here.
Come to think of it, this needs tobe posted over on the MB as well.
In the mean time, I am making a nice pork pot roast tonite with herbs...
y'all are invited! (and now that Clinter is a member of 4F, I guess that means him as well!!! )
Raine on 03/05/2008 23:33:54
Quote by will in chicago:
Raine, can you post this on the boards and at the Activism
at UNN?
And I will post it with my rant if that is alright with you... only I will be nicer than I was here.
Come to think of it, this needs tobe posted over on the MB as well.
In the mean time, I am making a nice pork pot roast tonite with herbs...
y'all are invited! (and now that Clinter is a member of 4F, I guess that means him as well!!!
)
Comment by livingonli on 03/05/2008 23:47:14
livingonli on 03/05/2008 23:47:14
Welcome to the other fun house, Izzy.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 03/05/2008 23:50:36
Raine, thanks!! Feel free to use what language you wish for the rant. You do NOT need my permission, as you have the same rights as I do - except for what I tend to think of as administrative responsibilities.
Maybe Hillary Clinton will offer an apology - before the sun consumes its hydrogen fuel in some 5 BILLION YEARS!!!
Will in Chicago on 03/05/2008 23:50:36
Quote by Raine:Will I am sorry, I left to go to the grocery store before I saw this. But, I will as soon as I am done doing my software update.Quote by will in chicago:
Raine, can you post this on the boards and at the Activism
at UNN?
And I will post it with my rant if that is alright with you... only I will be nicer than I was here.
Come to think of it, this needs tobe posted over on the MB as well.
In the mean time, I am making a nice pork pot roast tonite with herbs...
y'all are invited! (and now that Clinter is a member of 4F, I guess that means him as well!!!
Raine, thanks!! Feel free to use what language you wish for the rant. You do NOT need my permission, as you have the same rights as I do - except for what I tend to think of as administrative responsibilities.
Maybe Hillary Clinton will offer an apology - before the sun consumes its hydrogen fuel in some 5 BILLION YEARS!!!
Comment by livingonli on 03/06/2008 00:06:42
livingonli on 03/06/2008 00:06:42
Raine, you should rant just like SensiScholar or Flibble and you should do just fine. ;)
Comment by Raine on 03/06/2008 00:18:21
Raine on 03/06/2008 00:18:21
Hope this is ok Will.... I also posted it in OUR Activism Form Over here. Please Feel free to distribute the information freely.
Comment by Mondobubba on 03/06/2008 00:38:19
:scans blog: IZZY! Whatup. elaborate handshake thing:
Mondobubba on 03/06/2008 00:38:19
Quote by IzzyBitz: So this is where the kiddies play! This seems like a nice bloggie. I checked out the new SMS live blog and it is not so nice a place. Hopefully the icky people will fall out and it will be a good playground someday.
I have a spare bed of feathers if TriSec needs a place to stay during his mission.
:scans blog: IZZY! Whatup. elaborate handshake thing:
Comment by Mondobubba on 03/06/2008 00:42:38
:rofl:
Mondobubba on 03/06/2008 00:42:38
Quote by velveeta jones: Here tis: my home-made sticker. This'll drive the Ron Paul-aholics nutzo!! They are all over the place down in here.
:rofl:
Comment by Mondobubba on 03/06/2008 00:49:09
Psst Raine, that's player hater.
Mondobubba on 03/06/2008 00:49:09
Quote by Raine: IT is getting to the point where I am afraid to say anything critical of either candidate for being accusing of being a part of a *cult* or a hater player.
it is ridiculous. All I know is that I do not like the tactics that one campaign is using. If we as dems are reduced to using Republican tactics to win a race, then I think we have become that thing that we have hated for over 8 uears.
And it also means that dems don't have enough faith in thier own ideals to win an election. That is a sad day for the democratic party.
Psst Raine, that's player hater.
Comment by Raine on 03/06/2008 00:57:36
Raine on 03/06/2008 00:57:36
Oh liv, trust me I do, but I would get arrested for my rants. 
Comment by Mondobubba on 03/06/2008 01:03:52
Mondobubba on 03/06/2008 01:03:52
Damn, Chelsea Clinton got HOT! : porn music:
Comment by Mondobubba on 03/06/2008 01:07:15
Mondobubba on 03/06/2008 01:07:15
:rofl: Ohh the cheeky KO! Pulling out ghostbusters!
Comment by TriSec on 03/06/2008 02:17:22
TriSec on 03/06/2008 02:17:22
Well, thpth.
Comment by Mondobubba on 03/06/2008 02:23:27
Yes, Bill the Cat?
Mondobubba on 03/06/2008 02:23:27
Quote by TriSec: Well, thpth.
Yes, Bill the Cat?
Comment by Raine on 03/06/2008 02:30:29
Whatevah!
Raine on 03/06/2008 02:30:29
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine: IT is getting to the point where I am afraid to say anything critical of either candidate for being accusing of being a part of a *cult* or a hater player.
it is ridiculous. All I know is that I do not like the tactics that one campaign is using. If we as dems are reduced to using Republican tactics to win a race, then I think we have become that thing that we have hated for over 8 uears.
And it also means that dems don't have enough faith in thier own ideals to win an election. That is a sad day for the democratic party.
Psst Raine, that's player hater.
Comment by IzzyBitz on 03/06/2008 02:47:31
Hellow Velveeta, if that is your real name. Sounds kinda cheesy to me.
Thanks for the welcome. A lot of familiar bloggers here and Rainetinis. Oh, boy. I think I'm gonna like it here.
Just a program note. Sometimes Sam Seder fills in for Rachel during her third hour when she is on the TV machine and he has the SammyCam on. wOOt
IzzyBitz on 03/06/2008 02:47:31
Quote by velveeta jones: Evening all............
Off to work!
Hellow Izzy! (If that is indeed your real name).
Hellow Velveeta, if that is your real name. Sounds kinda cheesy to me.
Thanks for the welcome. A lot of familiar bloggers here and Rainetinis. Oh, boy. I think I'm gonna like it here.
Just a program note. Sometimes Sam Seder fills in for Rachel during her third hour when she is on the TV machine and he has the SammyCam on. wOOt
Comment by livingonli on 03/06/2008 02:52:50
livingonli on 03/06/2008 02:52:50
Here's the rimshot.
Comment by IzzyBitz on 03/06/2008 03:15:50
Nice!
IzzyBitz on 03/06/2008 03:15:50
Quote by livingonli: Here's the rimshot.
Nice!
Comment by Mondobubba on 03/06/2008 03:35:04
Mondobubba on 03/06/2008 03:35:04
Dangle: (speaking about good fences make good neighbors) So it like Burning Man for right wing rednecks? :rofl:
Comment by Raine on 03/06/2008 03:49:30
we have more audicons too!
Check it out...
(I too am watching reno 9-11, that show is so wrong, it makes me pee my pants.) I am also trying to post a few stories over on the MB.
It really is nice to see you izzy!
Raine on 03/06/2008 03:49:30
Quote by IzzyBitz:Quote by livingonli: Here's the rimshot.
Nice!
Check it out...
(I too am watching reno 9-11, that show is so wrong, it makes me pee my pants.) I am also trying to post a few stories over on the MB.
It really is nice to see you izzy!
Comment by Raine on 03/06/2008 03:58:09
Raine on 03/06/2008 03:58:09
Heya Izzy, when you do an audicon, instead of using these " : : " use these"{ } "
Or you can clickety click on the list below
My fave is and
:rofl:
Or you can clickety click on the list below
My fave is and
:rofl:
Comment by Raine on 03/06/2008 04:00:42
Raine on 03/06/2008 04:00:42
We also have the Sammy cam in a link here too!
We loves ourselves some Sammy!!!
We loves ourselves some Sammy!!!
Comment by Raine on 03/06/2008 04:01:43
Raine on 03/06/2008 04:01:43
La Daily show...
Comment by Raine on 03/06/2008 04:03:15
Raine on 03/06/2008 04:03:15
:rofl: hillary is a terminator type!!!Barack went with the Accounting speech, John McCain with well he IS the grumpy old man...
And Huckster, George brett??? WhhAAA???
And Huckster, George brett??? WhhAAA???
Comment by Raine on 03/06/2008 04:03:54
Raine on 03/06/2008 04:03:54
I am gonna miss Huck. I am.
Comment by Mondobubba on 03/06/2008 04:11:42
WTF was that all about?? Yeah I am gonna miss the Huckster too. :(
Mondobubba on 03/06/2008 04:11:42
Quote by Raine:
And Huckster, George brett??? WhhAAA???
WTF was that all about?? Yeah I am gonna miss the Huckster too. :(
Comment by Mondobubba on 03/06/2008 04:13:03
Two words about Reno 911 Trudy Weigel. On a bus.
Mondobubba on 03/06/2008 04:13:03
Quote by Raine:we have more audicons too!Quote by IzzyBitz:Quote by livingonli: Here's the rimshot.
Nice!
Check it out...
(I too am watching reno 9-11, that show is so wrong, it makes me pee my pants.) I am also trying to post a few stories over on the MB.
It really is nice to see you izzy!
Two words about Reno 911 Trudy Weigel. On a bus.
Comment by Raine on 03/06/2008 16:44:33
Raine on 03/06/2008 16:44:33
I posted this yesterday. If Hill is not racist, then how can I abide by this crap?
And yes, Yesterday I asked for people to tell me it was not true.
And yes, Yesterday I asked for people to tell me it was not true.