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The Morality of Money
Author: BobR
Date: 10/03/2012 13:03:37
The video of presidential hopeful Mitt Romney castigating 47% of Americans which surfaced from the murky depths of the internets a couple weeks ago seemed certain to permanently damage his campaign. Romney tried to tap dance and claim his points were "ineloguently stated". Running mate Paul Ryan characterized it as a "misstep".
Another video has emerged, this one of Ryan and 1 year old. In it, Ryan claims 30% of Americans want a welfare state:
He is referring to the 47% when he refers to the "takers". To him, to Romney, and to a lot of Republicans, if you aren't paying taxes or are getting back more than you pay in, you are a "taker", not a "maker".
What I find more frustrating and disturbing in this mindset, however, is using money and/or taxes as the definition of who is a "taker" and who is a "maker". If a person works a menial manufacturing job, and has a mortgage deduction (and other tax "loopholes" - which the Repbublicans want to eliminate), he may - assuming a low hourly rate - pay little to no taxes. Is he not a "maker"?? How about the head of the company who simply delegates responsibility to underlings and pulls in a huge salary with benefits. How exactly is HE a "maker", especially when you compare his labors to that of the bottom rung of his company who toil for his benefit?
In Romney/Ryan world, wealth is a sign of being a "maker". It's a virtue unto itself. If you are not wealthy and/or not paying taxes, you are a "taker", a non-contributer, a sloth, a pox on the body of America itself.
Romney and Ryan both claim to be religious men, and claim their Christian (or ostensibly "Christian-based") religion drives their morality. Yet Christ himself decried wealth. Christ drove the money-changers (bankers) from the temple.
This viewpoint is heavily influenced by the Ayn Rand philosphy - who was a "taker" herself at certain points of her life. Paul Ryan has previously recanted his fealty to Ayn Rand and may claim that his morality is influenced by his faith, but his words betray his true alliance. He believes that Wealth = Moral, Poor = Immoral.
Money is the new morality. Amen and pass the bankbook.
Another video has emerged, this one of Ryan and 1 year old. In it, Ryan claims 30% of Americans want a welfare state:
"Seventy percent of Americans want the American dream. They believe in the American idea. Only 30 percent want their welfare state," Ryan said.
"Before too long, we could become a society where the net majority of Americans are takers, not makers."
He is referring to the 47% when he refers to the "takers". To him, to Romney, and to a lot of Republicans, if you aren't paying taxes or are getting back more than you pay in, you are a "taker", not a "maker".
- So people in the military are "takers".
- Rich people who use tax loopholes and end up paying no taxes (Mitt?) are "takers".
- Oil companies that get subsidies which offset their tax liabilities are "takers".
- States (mostly "red") that pay less in taxes than they receive in monies from the Fed are "takers".
- Ryan - and anyone who works directly for the government - is a "taker" because he is getting more tax dollars (in salary) than he is putting in.
What I find more frustrating and disturbing in this mindset, however, is using money and/or taxes as the definition of who is a "taker" and who is a "maker". If a person works a menial manufacturing job, and has a mortgage deduction (and other tax "loopholes" - which the Repbublicans want to eliminate), he may - assuming a low hourly rate - pay little to no taxes. Is he not a "maker"?? How about the head of the company who simply delegates responsibility to underlings and pulls in a huge salary with benefits. How exactly is HE a "maker", especially when you compare his labors to that of the bottom rung of his company who toil for his benefit?
In Romney/Ryan world, wealth is a sign of being a "maker". It's a virtue unto itself. If you are not wealthy and/or not paying taxes, you are a "taker", a non-contributer, a sloth, a pox on the body of America itself.
Romney and Ryan both claim to be religious men, and claim their Christian (or ostensibly "Christian-based") religion drives their morality. Yet Christ himself decried wealth. Christ drove the money-changers (bankers) from the temple.
This viewpoint is heavily influenced by the Ayn Rand philosphy - who was a "taker" herself at certain points of her life. Paul Ryan has previously recanted his fealty to Ayn Rand and may claim that his morality is influenced by his faith, but his words betray his true alliance. He believes that Wealth = Moral, Poor = Immoral.
Money is the new morality. Amen and pass the bankbook.
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Comment by 
Raine on 10/03/2012 13:07:19
Good morning.
I truly am baffled at this type of morality.
Raine on 10/03/2012 13:07:19
Good morning. I truly am baffled at this type of morality.
Comment by 
Mondobubba on 10/03/2012 13:08:11
Mondobubba on 10/03/2012 13:08:11
I am gonna be watching the debate tonight just to see the Mittbot's zinger software fail.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/03/2012 13:10:46
You mean amorality.
Mondobubba on 10/03/2012 13:10:46
Quote by Raine:
I truly am baffled at this type of morality.
You mean amorality.
Comment by 
TriSec on 10/03/2012 13:11:00
TriSec on 10/03/2012 13:11:00
Morning, comrades.
Bob, I must disagree with one statement - Romney is not a "Christian". However, you all know of my last prejudice.
I'm afraid I won't have much to contribute to the "forgiveness" debate from last night...I bear grudges and keep an enemies list. I lie in wait for revenge on those who wronged me, even decades ago.
Bob, I must disagree with one statement - Romney is not a "Christian". However, you all know of my last prejudice.
I'm afraid I won't have much to contribute to the "forgiveness" debate from last night...I bear grudges and keep an enemies list. I lie in wait for revenge on those who wronged me, even decades ago.
Comment by 
wickedpam on 10/03/2012 13:11:41
wickedpam on 10/03/2012 13:11:41
Morning 
Comment by 
BobR on 10/03/2012 13:12:10
Hence my comment of "ostensibly 'Christian-based'"
BobR on 10/03/2012 13:12:10
Quote by TriSec:
Morning, comrades.
Bob, I must disagree with one statement - Romney is not a "Christian". However, you all know of my last prejudice.
I'm afraid I won't have much to contribute to the "forgiveness" debate from last night...I bear grudges and keep an enemies list. I lie in wait for revenge on those who wronged me, even decades ago.
Hence my comment of "ostensibly 'Christian-based'"
Comment by Raine on 10/03/2012 13:19:47
Raine on 10/03/2012 13:19:47
Comment by wickedpam on 10/03/2012 13:28:20
wickedpam on 10/03/2012 13:28:20
oh lord, is this the same woman from yesterday?
Comment by Raine on 10/03/2012 13:28:54
Raine on 10/03/2012 13:28:54
OMG oh noes... Huge bombshell...
Video surfaces of Obama in 2007 suggesting racism slowed aid to post-Katrina New Orleans
Video surfaces of Obama in 2007 suggesting racism slowed aid to post-Katrina New Orleans
Comment by Raine on 10/03/2012 13:29:24
I think this is another woman. These women are really sorta sad.
Raine on 10/03/2012 13:29:24
Quote by wickedpam:
oh lord, is this the same woman from yesterday?
Comment by wickedpam on 10/03/2012 13:29:43
wickedpam on 10/03/2012 13:29:43
Stephanie is as "viscous" as a baby bunny 
Comment by wickedpam on 10/03/2012 13:30:56
weren't we all saying that back in 2005?
wickedpam on 10/03/2012 13:30:56
Quote by Raine:
OMG oh noes... Huge bombshell...
Video surfaces of Obama in 2007 suggesting racism slowed aid to post-Katrina New Orleans
weren't we all saying that back in 2005?
Comment by TriSec on 10/03/2012 13:31:26
TriSec on 10/03/2012 13:31:26
< sighs through gritted teeth >
Dear Provider,
You mean to tell me you've been submitting direct electronic files for years and you've never picked up an acknowledgement or even know what it is? How are you confirming that we received your files?
Draw Circle. Bang Head Here.
Dear Provider,
You mean to tell me you've been submitting direct electronic files for years and you've never picked up an acknowledgement or even know what it is? How are you confirming that we received your files?
Draw Circle. Bang Head Here.
Comment by Raine on 10/03/2012 13:36:20
Yup.
And from Think Progress comes this link:
Condoleezza Rice During Katrina: 'We Clearly Have A Race Problem'
Raine on 10/03/2012 13:36:20
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
OMG oh noes... Huge bombshell...
Video surfaces of Obama in 2007 suggesting racism slowed aid to post-Katrina New Orleans
weren't we all saying that back in 2005?
And from Think Progress comes this link:
Condoleezza Rice During Katrina: 'We Clearly Have A Race Problem'
The airwaves were filled with devastating pictures from New Orleans. And the faces of most of the people in distress were black. I knew right away that I should never have left Washington. I called my chief of staff, Brian Gunderson. "I'm coming home," I said.
"Yeah. You'd better do that," he answered.
Then I called the President. "Mr. President, I'm coming back. I don't know how much I can do, but we clearly have a race problem," I said.
Comment by TriSec on 10/03/2012 13:44:01
TriSec on 10/03/2012 13:44:01
I've lost another 2 pounds this week.
Young Javi suggests that I should start going to Burger King, because that "makes you fat" and not to go to Subway, because you lose weight there.
Smart kid, that one.
Young Javi suggests that I should start going to Burger King, because that "makes you fat" and not to go to Subway, because you lose weight there.
Smart kid, that one.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/03/2012 13:50:24
The smoking gun! See he is anti-white! I told you! Radical Muslim Kenyan Socialist Nazi!
Mondobubba on 10/03/2012 13:50:24
Quote by Raine:
OMG oh noes... Huge bombshell...
Video surfaces of Obama in 2007 suggesting racism slowed aid to post-Katrina New Orleans
The smoking gun! See he is anti-white! I told you! Radical Muslim Kenyan Socialist Nazi!
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/03/2012 14:03:00
Well done, youngling. Haven't been to Burger Pope in years.
Mondobubba on 10/03/2012 14:03:00
Quote by TriSec:
I've lost another 2 pounds this week.
Young Javi suggests that I should start going to Burger King, because that "makes you fat" and not to go to Subway, because you lose weight there.
Smart kid, that one.
Well done, youngling. Haven't been to Burger Pope in years.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/03/2012 14:08:26
It is all kinds of hilarious, watched it last night before "Half The Sky" came on. We all did watch it, yes????
Mondobubba on 10/03/2012 14:08:26
Quote by BobR:
I finally got around to watching this. It is TEH AWESOME!
It is all kinds of hilarious, watched it last night before "Half The Sky" came on. We all did watch it, yes????
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/03/2012 14:10:46
Mondobubba on 10/03/2012 14:10:46
Comment by 
Will in Chicago on 10/03/2012 14:21:30
Will in Chicago on 10/03/2012 14:21:30
BobR, thanks for a great blog. I believe that despite their claims, Romney and Ryan would be much happier with Mammon than the religions that they publicly profess.
I would argue that the opinions that Romney and Ryan are making about the poor, the working poor and the middle class comes from the same sort of entitlement that has been condemned by visionaries and prophets for years. I am somewhat familiar with the teachings of all the Abrahamic faiths and I am reminded of the statement that you should love your neighbor as yourself. I do not feel loved in Romney and Ryan's vision of America, rather I feel that I and the vast majority of Americans are being treated with derision.
I would argue that the opinions that Romney and Ryan are making about the poor, the working poor and the middle class comes from the same sort of entitlement that has been condemned by visionaries and prophets for years. I am somewhat familiar with the teachings of all the Abrahamic faiths and I am reminded of the statement that you should love your neighbor as yourself. I do not feel loved in Romney and Ryan's vision of America, rather I feel that I and the vast majority of Americans are being treated with derision.
Comment by TriSec on 10/03/2012 14:21:38
TriSec on 10/03/2012 14:21:38
Tibetans put salt and yak butter in their tea, primarily to pick up extra calories in their harsh climate.
Now, if only I could find some yak butter.....
Now, if only I could find some yak butter.....
Comment by wickedpam on 10/03/2012 14:21:54
I'm not sure if I should
or 
what is gangnam style? I'm out of the loop on this one.
wickedpam on 10/03/2012 14:21:54
Quote by BobR:
I finally got around to watching this. It is TEH AWESOME!
I'm not sure if I should
or what is gangnam style? I'm out of the loop on this one.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/03/2012 14:24:16
I've recently learned of a cottage industry that I'm sure you have been aware of for good while now, Tri. That would be the practice management consultant industry.
Mondobubba on 10/03/2012 14:24:16
Quote by TriSec:
< sighs through gritted teeth >
Dear Provider,
You mean to tell me you've been submitting direct electronic files for years and you've never picked up an acknowledgement or even know what it is? How are you confirming that we received your files?
Draw Circle. Bang Head Here.
I've recently learned of a cottage industry that I'm sure you have been aware of for good while now, Tri. That would be the practice management consultant industry.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/03/2012 14:25:42
Gangnam Style esplained.
Mondobubba on 10/03/2012 14:25:42
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by BobR:
I finally got around to watching this. It is TEH AWESOME!
I'm not sure if I should
what is gangnam style? I'm out of the loop on this one.
Gangnam Style esplained.
Comment by wickedpam on 10/03/2012 14:33:03
aahhh - good to know
wickedpam on 10/03/2012 14:33:03
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by BobR:
I finally got around to watching this. It is TEH AWESOME!
I'm not sure if I should
what is gangnam style? I'm out of the loop on this one.
Gangnam Style esplained.
aahhh - good to know
Comment by 
Scoopster on 10/03/2012 14:42:44
Scoopster on 10/03/2012 14:42:44
Mornin' all.. 
Alas, I believe I'll be unable to watch the debate tonight, due to my appointment at the sleep clinic. Not sure if they have a teevee in the 'observation room', and even if they did they might frown upon it since I'm going there to sleep (badly).
Alas, I believe I'll be unable to watch the debate tonight, due to my appointment at the sleep clinic. Not sure if they have a teevee in the 'observation room', and even if they did they might frown upon it since I'm going there to sleep (badly).
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/03/2012 14:44:31
You weren't the only one who felt like that Mala.
Mondobubba on 10/03/2012 14:44:31
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by BobR:
I finally got around to watching this. It is TEH AWESOME!
I'm not sure if I should
what is gangnam style? I'm out of the loop on this one.
Gangnam Style esplained.
aahhh - good to know
You weren't the only one who felt like that Mala.
Comment by Raine on 10/03/2012 14:53:17
Raine on 10/03/2012 14:53:17
awww....
@BarackObama
Twenty years ago today, I married the love of my life and my best friend. Happy anniversary, Michelle. -bo
Comment by wickedpam on 10/03/2012 14:57:16
wickedpam on 10/03/2012 14:57:16
um, you get your voter registration card a week after you register to vote anyway. The state actually had to spend extra money to resend everyone their cards again this year because of all this mess.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 10/03/2012 14:59:00
Love is a beautiful thing.
Will in Chicago on 10/03/2012 14:59:00
Quote by Raine:
awww....@BarackObama
Twenty years ago today, I married the love of my life and my best friend. Happy anniversary, Michelle. -bo
Love is a beautiful thing.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/03/2012 14:59:22
No Date Night for POTUS & FLOTUS tonight
Mondobubba on 10/03/2012 14:59:22
Quote by Raine:
awww....@BarackObama
Twenty years ago today, I married the love of my life and my best friend. Happy anniversary, Michelle. -bo
No Date Night for POTUS & FLOTUS tonight
Comment by Will in Chicago on 10/03/2012 15:03:44
Well, the debate will wrap up in time for a good dinner.
Will in Chicago on 10/03/2012 15:03:44
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
awww....@BarackObama
Twenty years ago today, I married the love of my life and my best friend. Happy anniversary, Michelle. -bo
No Date Night for POTUS & FLOTUS tonight
Well, the debate will wrap up in time for a good dinner.
Comment by Raine on 10/03/2012 15:05:09
That's kinda bummin'...
Raine on 10/03/2012 15:05:09
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
awww....@BarackObama
Twenty years ago today, I married the love of my life and my best friend. Happy anniversary, Michelle. -bo
No Date Night for POTUS & FLOTUS tonight
Comment by TriSec on 10/03/2012 15:06:12
TriSec on 10/03/2012 15:06:12
*non-sequtir*
Do you think there is still room in this Great Land for a martini-drinking, cigar-smoking, city counselor?
<-- Tobacco, I swear!
Do you think there is still room in this Great Land for a martini-drinking, cigar-smoking, city counselor?
<-- Tobacco, I swear!
Comment by Raine on 10/03/2012 15:06:47
speaking of the mess, any word on the scan?
Raine on 10/03/2012 15:06:47
Quote by wickedpam:
um, you get your voter registration card a week after you register to vote anyway. The state actually had to spend extra money to resend everyone their cards again this year because of all this mess.
speaking of the mess, any word on the scan?
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/03/2012 15:10:58
Speaking of voter registration. I just worked for social justice just be doing my job!
Added voter registration info to an AME church website in Ohio!
Mondobubba on 10/03/2012 15:10:58
Quote by Raine:Quote by wickedpam:
um, you get your voter registration card a week after you register to vote anyway. The state actually had to spend extra money to resend everyone their cards again this year because of all this mess.
speaking of the mess, any word on the scan?
Speaking of voter registration. I just worked for social justice just be doing my job!
Added voter registration info to an AME church website in Ohio!
Comment by Raine on 10/03/2012 15:11:04
Raine on 10/03/2012 15:11:04
You think? I'm shocked I tell you! 
CNN's Berman: Release Of Obama Video Showed A "High Level Of Coordination" Among Daily Caller, Drudge, And Fox
CNN's Berman: Release Of Obama Video Showed A "High Level Of Coordination" Among Daily Caller, Drudge, And Fox
Comment by wickedpam on 10/03/2012 15:15:31
EJ's scanner isn't working I'm going to try and pick it up tonight and scan it myself at work tomorrow.
wickedpam on 10/03/2012 15:15:31
Quote by Raine:Quote by wickedpam:
um, you get your voter registration card a week after you register to vote anyway. The state actually had to spend extra money to resend everyone their cards again this year because of all this mess.
speaking of the mess, any word on the scan?
EJ's scanner isn't working I'm going to try and pick it up tonight and scan it myself at work tomorrow.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/03/2012 15:16:24
Really? Who knew?
Mondobubba on 10/03/2012 15:16:24
Quote by Raine:
You think? I'm shocked I tell you!
CNN's Berman: Release Of Obama Video Showed A "High Level Of Coordination" Among Daily Caller, Drudge, And Fox
Really? Who knew?
Comment by BobR on 10/03/2012 15:25:34
BobR on 10/03/2012 15:25:34
Quote by TriSec:
*non-sequtir*
Do you think there is still room in this Great Land for a martini-drinking, cigar-smoking, city counselor?
Comment by Raine on 10/03/2012 15:25:56
Raine on 10/03/2012 15:25:56
Damn allergies *sniff*
"I had this impulse to hug him, so I did. And I cried. I think I even got tears on the Vice President's suit jacket! ... I am hugging the man who will help me and help our President move forward."
—Kobe
"I had this impulse to hug him, so I did. And I cried. I think I even got tears on the Vice President's suit jacket! ... I am hugging the man who will help me and help our President move forward."
—Kobe
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/03/2012 15:26:47
Who's choppin' onions?!
Mondobubba on 10/03/2012 15:26:47
Quote by Raine:
Damn allergies *sniff*
"I had this impulse to hug him, so I did. And I cried. I think I even got tears on the Vice President's suit jacket! ... I am hugging the man who will help me and help our President move forward."
—Kobe
Who's choppin' onions?!
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/03/2012 15:27:48
Mondobubba on 10/03/2012 15:27:48
Today is mah Daddy's birthday. He would have been 87. 
Comment by wickedpam on 10/03/2012 15:29:26
stupid dusty things still in the office *sniffle*
wickedpam on 10/03/2012 15:29:26
Quote by Raine:
Damn allergies *sniff*
"I had this impulse to hug him, so I did. And I cried. I think I even got tears on the Vice President's suit jacket! ... I am hugging the man who will help me and help our President move forward."
—Kobe
stupid dusty things still in the office *sniffle*
Comment by wickedpam on 10/03/2012 15:29:59
wickedpam on 10/03/2012 15:29:59
Quote by Mondobubba:
Today is mah Daddy's birthday. He would have been 87.
Comment by Raine on 10/03/2012 15:31:35
How is your mom doing?
Raine on 10/03/2012 15:31:35
Quote by Mondobubba:
Today is mah Daddy's birthday. He would have been 87.
How is your mom doing?
Comment by Scoopster on 10/03/2012 15:32:35
The funniest part of this whole thing to me is Tucker Carlson ADMITTING HOW IRRELEVANT HE'S BEEN FOR YEARS by saying this: "People will say this has already been reported. Well, actually, it hasn't been reported. And I know because I reported on it the first time."
Scoopster on 10/03/2012 15:32:35
Quote by Raine:
You think? I'm shocked I tell you!
CNN's Berman: Release Of Obama Video Showed A "High Level Of Coordination" Among Daily Caller, Drudge, And Fox
The funniest part of this whole thing to me is Tucker Carlson ADMITTING HOW IRRELEVANT HE'S BEEN FOR YEARS by saying this: "People will say this has already been reported. Well, actually, it hasn't been reported. And I know because I reported on it the first time."
Comment by Scoopster on 10/03/2012 15:32:52
Scoopster on 10/03/2012 15:32:52
Quote by Mondobubba:
Today is mah Daddy's birthday. He would have been 87.
Comment by TriSec on 10/03/2012 15:35:55
TriSec on 10/03/2012 15:35:55
Quote by Mondobubba:
Today is mah Daddy's birthday. He would have been 87.
Comment by BobR on 10/03/2012 15:38:03
BobR on 10/03/2012 15:38:03
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Raine:
You think? I'm shocked I tell you!
CNN's Berman: Release Of Obama Video Showed A "High Level Of Coordination" Among Daily Caller, Drudge, And Fox
The funniest part of this whole thing to me is Tucker Carlson ADMITTING HOW IRRELEVANT HE'S BEEN FOR YEARS by saying this: "People will say this has already been reported. Well, actually, it hasn't been reported. And I know because I reported on it the first time."
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/03/2012 15:40:50
Getting over the UTI & cold. I have spoken with her today. I'm sure she isn't doing well today.
Mondobubba on 10/03/2012 15:40:50
Quote by Raine:Quote by Mondobubba:
Today is mah Daddy's birthday. He would have been 87.
How is your mom doing?
Getting over the UTI & cold. I have spoken with her today. I'm sure she isn't doing well today.
Comment by Raine on 10/03/2012 15:44:58
That is the quote! 
Raine on 10/03/2012 15:44:58
Quote by BobR:Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Raine:
You think? I'm shocked I tell you!
CNN's Berman: Release Of Obama Video Showed A "High Level Of Coordination" Among Daily Caller, Drudge, And Fox
The funniest part of this whole thing to me is Tucker Carlson ADMITTING HOW IRRELEVANT HE'S BEEN FOR YEARS by saying this: "People will say this has already been reported. Well, actually, it hasn't been reported. And I know because I reported on it the first time."
Comment by Will in Chicago on 10/03/2012 15:52:05
Send her my regards. It is a hard day for you and your family.
Will in Chicago on 10/03/2012 15:52:05
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:Quote by Mondobubba:
Today is mah Daddy's birthday. He would have been 87.
How is your mom doing?
Getting over the UTI & cold. I have spoken with her today. I'm sure she isn't doing well today.
Send her my regards. It is a hard day for you and your family.
Comment by Raine on 10/03/2012 15:55:17
Raine on 10/03/2012 15:55:17
I would like to thank Drudge, Fox and what's his name Carlson for re-reminding the entire nation on how badly a Republican administration responded to an american disaster -- also known as Katrina.
Well played RWNJ's, well played.
Well played RWNJ's, well played.
Comment by wickedpam on 10/03/2012 15:57:05
wickedpam on 10/03/2012 15:57:05
so he's for Ron Paul
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/03/2012 16:00:20
Will do, Will. I am doing very well with it today. What is tugging at me is I can't call Dad and give him a hard time.
Mondobubba on 10/03/2012 16:00:20
Quote by Will in Chicago:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:Quote by Mondobubba:
Today is mah Daddy's birthday. He would have been 87.
How is your mom doing?
Getting over the UTI & cold. I have spoken with her today. I'm sure she isn't doing well today.
Send her my regards. It is a hard day for you and your family.
Will do, Will. I am doing very well with it today. What is tugging at me is I can't call Dad and give him a hard time.
Comment by Raine on 10/03/2012 16:01:37
I'd like to send people like that a round trip ticket to Somalia.
Raine on 10/03/2012 16:01:37
Quote by wickedpam:
so he's for Ron Paul
Comment by wickedpam on 10/03/2012 16:06:46
they wouldn't get it
wickedpam on 10/03/2012 16:06:46
Quote by Raine:I'd like to send people like that a round trip ticket to Somalia.Quote by wickedpam:
so he's for Ron Paul
they wouldn't get it
Comment by Raine on 10/03/2012 16:24:08
Raine on 10/03/2012 16:24:08
Comment by Scoopster on 10/03/2012 16:32:31
BREAKING! Romney tips a higher % than he's paid in taxes - WE DARE HIM TO PROVE OTHERWISE!
Scoopster on 10/03/2012 16:32:31
Quote by Raine:Romney even left behind a $1.75 tip on an $18.25 tab.
BREAKING! Romney tips a higher % than he's paid in taxes - WE DARE HIM TO PROVE OTHERWISE!
Comment by wickedpam on 10/03/2012 16:35:00
isn't that less then 10% tip?
wickedpam on 10/03/2012 16:35:00
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Raine:Romney even left behind a $1.75 tip on an $18.25 tab.
BREAKING! Romney tips a higher % than he's paid in taxes - WE DARE HIM TO PROVE OTHERWISE!
isn't that less then 10% tip?
Comment by BobR on 10/03/2012 16:40:52
Yes. That is terrible. I love that the guy is flipping off the camera.
BobR on 10/03/2012 16:40:52
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Raine:Romney even left behind a $1.75 tip on an $18.25 tab.
BREAKING! Romney tips a higher % than he's paid in taxes - WE DARE HIM TO PROVE OTHERWISE!
isn't that less then 10% tip?
Yes. That is terrible. I love that the guy is flipping off the camera.
Comment by 
trojanrabbit on 10/03/2012 16:47:14
How do you expect Willard to be charitable to "the help" when he has to give so much of his hard unearned income to LDS.
trojanrabbit on 10/03/2012 16:47:14
Quote by BobR:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Raine:Romney even left behind a $1.75 tip on an $18.25 tab.
BREAKING! Romney tips a higher % than he's paid in taxes - WE DARE HIM TO PROVE OTHERWISE!
isn't that less then 10% tip?
Yes. That is terrible. I love that the guy is flipping off the camera.
How do you expect Willard to be charitable to "the help" when he has to give so much of his hard unearned income to LDS.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/03/2012 16:47:28
Mondobubba on 10/03/2012 16:47:28
Spoke with Mama Mondo. She is remembering her husband by canceling long-tern care policies.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/03/2012 16:57:23
If 10% is good enough for the Church of Jesus Christ and Latter Day Saints, then it good enough for freeloading 47%'s at a Chipotle's. Just sayin...
Mondobubba on 10/03/2012 16:57:23
Quote by Raine:
I love this dude!Romney even left behind a $1.75 tip on an $18.25 tab.
If 10% is good enough for the Church of Jesus Christ and Latter Day Saints, then it good enough for freeloading 47%'s at a Chipotle's. Just sayin...
Comment by Raine on 10/03/2012 17:17:17
Raine on 10/03/2012 17:17:17
Quote by Mondobubba:
Spoke with Mama Mondo. She is remembering her husband by canceling long-tern care policies.
Comment by Raine on 10/03/2012 17:20:59
Raine on 10/03/2012 17:20:59
less than 10% tip -- from a guy who pops his own Microwave popcorn and sneeks it into a movie theatre...
Cheap ass
Cheap ass
Comment by TriSec on 10/03/2012 17:29:38
TriSec on 10/03/2012 17:29:38
I'm an office drone, but having a second out there in the retail world makes me appreciate how hard somebody who relies on that actually works.
I've always been a customer service guy, but I'm far more inclined to cut a fellow retailer a fair amount of slack these days.
Comes from being out there "among the people", I guess. Maybe it would be different if I lived in a gated enclave with car lifts.
I've always been a customer service guy, but I'm far more inclined to cut a fellow retailer a fair amount of slack these days.
Comes from being out there "among the people", I guess. Maybe it would be different if I lived in a gated enclave with car lifts.
Comment by TriSec on 10/03/2012 17:30:47
TriSec on 10/03/2012 17:30:47
That's 9.58% on that tip, BTW.
Comment by 
livingonli on 10/03/2012 17:32:02
livingonli on 10/03/2012 17:32:02
Good day, folks.
Oh, so tired.
Oh, so tired.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/03/2012 17:34:53
This is why I love my mom! She has the mordent Mondo sense of humor!
There is a surpising amount of paperwork involved in dying.
Mondobubba on 10/03/2012 17:34:53
Quote by Raine:Quote by Mondobubba:
Spoke with Mama Mondo. She is remembering her husband by canceling long-tern care policies.
This is why I love my mom!
She has the mordent Mondo sense of humor! There is a surpising amount of paperwork involved in dying.
Comment by Raine on 10/03/2012 17:36:23
Raine on 10/03/2012 17:36:23
Officially: FUCK YOU. WIKILEAKS.
Comment by Raine on 10/03/2012 17:38:12
Raine on 10/03/2012 17:38:12
From a email posted by a DU'r:
"Dear WikiLeaks donor,
From today WikiLeaks has decided to intervene in the U.S. federal election. It is clear that whether Republicans or Democrats are in power, without the sort of pressure we can exert when we are at our strongest, the U.S. government will continue to declare the whole world a battleground.
Last Friday, the Pentagon publicly reissued its threats against WikiLeaks, demanding that we destroy our previous publications and cease "soliciting" U.S. military whistleblowers -- and that our failure to do so was an ongoing "crime" and "law enforcement matter". The FBI file for the pending prosecution of WikiLeaks, according to court records from earlier this year, has reached 42,135 pages.
WikiLeaks is determined to stop these and other moves towards what appears to be – let's be honest – a transnational security state dystopia. We believe knowledge is power and that knowledge should be in the hands of the people. By placing huge quantities of secret knowledge into your hands we can stop the concentration of power that is driving these trends.
We ask that you cast the only vote that matters, and again vote with your wallet.
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Comment by TriSec on 10/03/2012 17:39:27
TriSec on 10/03/2012 17:39:27
Say, show of hands for an unscientific 4F poll...what was your first job?
I'll list two - as a precocious youngling, I had a traditional paper route....then in High School I entered the Supermarket business (like my mother before me.)
Evidently, discounting his 2 years in a missionary position in France, Mitt's first job was as a management consultant for Boston Consulting Group...He's never been in the Real World.
I'll list two - as a precocious youngling, I had a traditional paper route....then in High School I entered the Supermarket business (like my mother before me.)
Evidently, discounting his 2 years in a missionary position in France, Mitt's first job was as a management consultant for Boston Consulting Group...He's never been in the Real World.
Comment by Raine on 10/03/2012 17:42:56
I was a weekend housekeeper at a Nursing home.
Mitt has no idea what hard WORK is.
Raine on 10/03/2012 17:42:56
Quote by TriSec:
Say, show of hands for an unscientific 4F poll...what was your first job?
I'll list two - as a precocious youngling, I had a traditional paper route....then in High School I entered the Supermarket business (like my mother before me.)
Evidently, discounting his 2 years in a missionary position in France, Mitt's first job was as a management consultant for Boston Consulting Group...He's never been in the Real World.
Mitt has no idea what hard WORK is.
Comment by BobR on 10/03/2012 17:44:37
Same here - paper route at 14, then grocery store the summer after graduation.
BobR on 10/03/2012 17:44:37
Quote by TriSec:
Say, show of hands for an unscientific 4F poll...what was your first job?
I'll list two - as a precocious youngling, I had a traditional paper route....then in High School I entered the Supermarket business (like my mother before me.)
Evidently, discounting his 2 years in a missionary position in France, Mitt's first job was as a management consultant for Boston Consulting Group...He's never been in the Real World.
Same here - paper route at 14, then grocery store the summer after graduation.
Comment by BobR on 10/03/2012 17:46:41
On the one hand, it's Chipotle, which is essentially glorified fast food. On the other hand, there's nothing wrong with tossing a little more pocket change towards the guys that need it.
BobR on 10/03/2012 17:46:41
Quote by TriSec:
That's 9.58% on that tip, BTW.
On the one hand, it's Chipotle, which is essentially glorified fast food. On the other hand, there's nothing wrong with tossing a little more pocket change towards the guys that need it.
Comment by Scoopster on 10/03/2012 17:47:46
Well, if you don't count the times I worked for my mom in the kitchen at the retirement home, my first job was ... conducting phone surveys for a startup pollster!
Scoopster on 10/03/2012 17:47:46
Quote by TriSec:
Say, show of hands for an unscientific 4F poll...what was your first job?
I'll list two - as a precocious youngling, I had a traditional paper route....then in High School I entered the Supermarket business (like my mother before me.)
Evidently, discounting his 2 years in a missionary position in France, Mitt's first job was as a management consultant for Boston Consulting Group...He's never been in the Real World.
Well, if you don't count the times I worked for my mom in the kitchen at the retirement home, my first job was ... conducting phone surveys for a startup pollster!
Comment by wickedpam on 10/03/2012 17:50:15
I was a deli/bakery clerk at a Winn Dixie. Then I was a cable telemarketer - thus beginning my dislike of talking on the phone.
wickedpam on 10/03/2012 17:50:15
Quote by TriSec:
Say, show of hands for an unscientific 4F poll...what was your first job?
I'll list two - as a precocious youngling, I had a traditional paper route....then in High School I entered the Supermarket business (like my mother before me.)
Evidently, discounting his 2 years in a missionary position in France, Mitt's first job was as a management consultant for Boston Consulting Group...He's never been in the Real World.
I was a deli/bakery clerk at a Winn Dixie. Then I was a cable telemarketer - thus beginning my dislike of talking on the phone.
Comment by livingonli on 10/03/2012 17:52:04
livingonli on 10/03/2012 17:52:04
I did a little on-campus work showing films and videos to my then future college which gave me a little spending cash.
Comment by 
clintster on 10/03/2012 17:53:02
Mine was at a Burger King a block from the shore of Daytona Beach.
/yeah, it was hell.
clintster on 10/03/2012 17:53:02
Quote by TriSec:
Say, show of hands for an unscientific 4F poll...what was your first job?
I'll list two - as a precocious youngling, I had a traditional paper route....then in High School I entered the Supermarket business (like my mother before me.)
Evidently, discounting his 2 years in a missionary position in France, Mitt's first job was as a management consultant for Boston Consulting Group...He's never been in the Real World.
Mine was at a Burger King a block from the shore of Daytona Beach.
/yeah, it was hell.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/03/2012 18:00:07
:moons Assange:
Mondobubba on 10/03/2012 18:00:07
Quote by Raine:
From a email posted by a DU'r:"Dear WikiLeaks donor,
From today WikiLeaks has decided to intervene in the U.S. federal election. It is clear that whether Republicans or Democrats are in power, without the sort of pressure we can exert when we are at our strongest, the U.S. government will continue to declare the whole world a battleground.
Last Friday, the Pentagon publicly reissued its threats against WikiLeaks, demanding that we destroy our previous publications and cease "soliciting" U.S. military whistleblowers -- and that our failure to do so was an ongoing "crime" and "law enforcement matter". The FBI file for the pending prosecution of WikiLeaks, according to court records from earlier this year, has reached 42,135 pages.
WikiLeaks is determined to stop these and other moves towards what appears to be – let's be honest – a transnational security state dystopia. We believe knowledge is power and that knowledge should be in the hands of the people. By placing huge quantities of secret knowledge into your hands we can stop the concentration of power that is driving these trends.
We ask that you cast the only vote that matters, and again vote with your wallet.
It is possible for you to make donations with your credit card, despite the attempted blockade. To do so, visit http://wikileaks.org/donate
Also, please consider visiting our campaign website, at http://wikileaks.org/donate2012 and passing it on to your friends and family.
Solidarity,
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:moons Assange:
Comment by Raine on 10/03/2012 18:04:50
I missed this one last month.
Raine on 10/03/2012 18:04:50
In an interview with CBS Greensboro affiliate WFMY, Mrs. Romney grinned while telling a story about 8-year-old Mia, one of her 18 grandchildren, who seems to sense the stress her grandfather is under.
"Last time she was with Mitt, I saw her putting her arm around him and then stroking his arm, and I thought, 'I've never seen her do that before!'" Mrs. Romney said. "And I asked her about it, and she just said, 'Oh I just wanted to let Papa know that I love him.'"
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/03/2012 18:09:03
Paper route for a free weekly when I was a wee Mondo. Then I worked at Lowen's Dept Store for a summer. Then I worked as a clerk for Waxie Maxie's, a record store.
Mondobubba on 10/03/2012 18:09:03
Quote by TriSec:
Say, show of hands for an unscientific 4F poll...what was your first job?
I'll list two - as a precocious youngling, I had a traditional paper route....then in High School I entered the Supermarket business (like my mother before me.)
Evidently, discounting his 2 years in a missionary position in France, Mitt's first job was as a management consultant for Boston Consulting Group...He's never been in the Real World.
Paper route for a free weekly when I was a wee Mondo. Then I worked at Lowen's Dept Store for a summer. Then I worked as a clerk for Waxie Maxie's, a record store.
Comment by livingonli on 10/03/2012 18:24:58
livingonli on 10/03/2012 18:24:58
So, Teddy finally won the race at Nats stadium today. As long as it doesn't jinx them.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/03/2012 18:27:37
Mondobubba on 10/03/2012 18:27:37
Oh Lordy! A extra-crispy bucket of crazy German who wants me to expedite his request because he knows we are iminate danger of being destroyed as a country!
Comment by Raine on 10/03/2012 18:30:26
Mondo -- that is actually hysterical!
Raine on 10/03/2012 18:30:26
Quote by Mondobubba:
Oh Lordy! A extra-crispy bucket of crazy German who wants me to expedite his request because he knows we are iminate danger of being destroyed as a country!
Mondo -- that is actually hysterical!
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/03/2012 18:31:54
No, it is not. Trust me. He is not entertainingly crazy. He is just tin foil hat rant crazy.
Mondobubba on 10/03/2012 18:31:54
Quote by Raine:Quote by Mondobubba:
Oh Lordy! A extra-crispy bucket of crazy German who wants me to expedite his request because he knows we are iminate danger of being destroyed as a country!
No, it is not. Trust me. He is not entertainingly crazy. He is just tin foil hat rant crazy.
Comment by Raine on 10/03/2012 18:36:48
WTOP accidently opened the mic during a commercial and you could hear the entire staff celebrating the Teddy win!
Raine on 10/03/2012 18:36:48
WTOP accidently opened the mic during a commercial and you could hear the entire staff celebrating the Teddy win!
Comment by Will in Chicago on 10/03/2012 18:46:43
Will in Chicago on 10/03/2012 18:46:43
My first job was a summer job with the City of Chicago Mayor's Summer Youth Program. So, lots of cleaning things up.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/03/2012 18:49:48
Which Mayor, Will?
Mondobubba on 10/03/2012 18:49:48
Quote by Will in Chicago:
My first job was a summer job with the City of Chicago Mayor's Summer Youth Program. So, lots of cleaning things up.
Which Mayor, Will?
Comment by TriSec on 10/03/2012 19:14:45
TriSec on 10/03/2012 19:14:45
I've not had nearly enough tea today. THUD! (dies)
Comment by TriSec on 10/03/2012 19:20:10
TriSec on 10/03/2012 19:20:10
Chick-Fil-Hate now supports "Biblical Families"
What the hell does that mean? Multiple wives? Underage incest? Slaves?
What the hell does that mean? Multiple wives? Underage incest? Slaves?
Comment by Will in Chicago on 10/03/2012 19:24:57
Jane Byrne, I think Byrne will be remembered better than Rahm Emmanuel will.
Will in Chicago on 10/03/2012 19:24:57
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Will in Chicago:
My first job was a summer job with the City of Chicago Mayor's Summer Youth Program. So, lots of cleaning things up.
Which Mayor, Will?
Jane Byrne, I think Byrne will be remembered better than Rahm Emmanuel will.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 10/03/2012 19:27:06
Will in Chicago on 10/03/2012 19:27:06
Thom, the reason that Chris Christie is eating fried ice cream on a stick in Iowa is obvious. He has to satisfy his enormous appetites -- for food, power and attention.
Comment by Raine on 10/03/2012 19:39:42
Raine on 10/03/2012 19:39:42
Quote by TriSec:
Chick-Fil-Hate now supports "Biblical Families"
What the hell does that mean? Multiple wives? Underage incest? Slaves?
Comment by Raine on 10/03/2012 20:01:16
Raine on 10/03/2012 20:01:16
So Are we watching the debate tonite?
Will we be watching on the 'Span? I don't know if we should start a debate watch blog, since things have become so social these days.
Will we be watching on the 'Span? I don't know if we should start a debate watch blog, since things have become so social these days.
Comment by TriSec on 10/03/2012 20:03:16
TriSec on 10/03/2012 20:03:16
OH, hell ya! There's a troop meeting tonight, but we'll be back by 9pm. I may even have a wee sip of contraband fermented grape juice. (It's OK on an off week.)
<-- partying while Mitt falls
<-- partying while Mitt falls
Comment by livingonli on 10/03/2012 20:21:15
I'm off tonight so I will have the debate on. At least the pundits usually don't talk during the debate and save most of that for the wrap around shows.
Momma's doing a special 7 PM show on Current so I do have to watch that.
livingonli on 10/03/2012 20:21:15
Quote by Raine:
So Are we watching the debate tonite?
Will we be watching on the 'Span? I don't know if we should start a debate watch blog, since things have become so social these days.
I'm off tonight so I will have the debate on. At least the pundits usually don't talk during the debate and save most of that for the wrap around shows.
Momma's doing a special 7 PM show on Current so I do have to watch that.
Comment by Raine on 10/03/2012 20:25:05
Raine on 10/03/2012 20:25:05
Randi is ON FIRE today.
Comment by Raine on 10/03/2012 20:25:48
Raine on 10/03/2012 20:25:48
Quote by TriSec:
OH, hell ya! There's a troop meeting tonight, but we'll be back by 9pm. I may even have a wee sip of contraband fermented grape juice. (It's OK on an off week.)
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/03/2012 20:28:33
Put her out! Sheesh! Burns are painful!
Mondobubba on 10/03/2012 20:28:33
Quote by Raine:
Randi is ON FIRE today.
Put her out! Sheesh! Burns are painful!
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/03/2012 20:29:38
I was trying to see if was Da Mayor's kid Jane Byrne
Mondobubba on 10/03/2012 20:29:38
Quote by Will in Chicago:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Will in Chicago:
My first job was a summer job with the City of Chicago Mayor's Summer Youth Program. So, lots of cleaning things up.
Which Mayor, Will?
Jane Byrne, I think Byrne will be remembered better than Rahm Emmanuel will.
I was trying to see if was Da Mayor's kid
Jane Byrne
Comment by livingonli on 10/03/2012 20:32:02
livingonli on 10/03/2012 20:32:02
I guess we'll have to see if Mittens reboots when he tries to fire out one of his zingers.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 10/03/2012 20:34:56
I wish that WCPT carried Randi as well. I like her and Thom, even if some of the drama on her message board turned off a lot of people at UNN.
I will be listening to pre and post debate coverage at Democracy Interactive, which is one of the sites I visit in the evenings. I may go with MSNBC for debate coverage or C Span. I am not sure if Radio or Not is doing anything for the debate, but Kenny Pick will be on WVKO 1580 in Columbus, Ohio as Jeff Santos has been having a lot of problems being on the air. (Nicole Sandler is getting carried by them as well on a temporary, pre-recorded basis.)
Raine, I am not sure who hurt you and Bob, but I think that the loss is primarily for those who took advantage of a great couple.
Will in Chicago on 10/03/2012 20:34:56
Quote by Raine:
Randi is ON FIRE today.
I wish that WCPT carried Randi as well. I like her and Thom, even if some of the drama on her message board turned off a lot of people at UNN.
I will be listening to pre and post debate coverage at Democracy Interactive, which is one of the sites I visit in the evenings. I may go with MSNBC for debate coverage or C Span. I am not sure if Radio or Not is doing anything for the debate, but Kenny Pick will be on WVKO 1580 in Columbus, Ohio as Jeff Santos has been having a lot of problems being on the air. (Nicole Sandler is getting carried by them as well on a temporary, pre-recorded basis.)
Raine, I am not sure who hurt you and Bob, but I think that the loss is primarily for those who took advantage of a great couple.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 10/03/2012 20:37:11
It feels a little odd not to have a mayor named Daley in Chicago.
Will in Chicago on 10/03/2012 20:37:11
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Will in Chicago:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Will in Chicago:
My first job was a summer job with the City of Chicago Mayor's Summer Youth Program. So, lots of cleaning things up.
Which Mayor, Will?
Jane Byrne, I think Byrne will be remembered better than Rahm Emmanuel will.
I was trying to see if was Da Mayor's kid
It feels a little odd not to have a mayor named Daley in Chicago.
Comment by Scoopster on 10/03/2012 21:21:20
Scoopster on 10/03/2012 21:21:20
Okay.. it's off to dinner then the sleep center! Throw some objects at Romney on the teevee for me!
Comment by Raine on 10/03/2012 22:39:58
CAn do, Scoop.
Raine on 10/03/2012 22:39:58
Quote by Scoopster:
Okay.. it's off to dinner then the sleep center! Throw some objects at Romney on the teevee for me!
CAn do, Scoop.
Comment by Raine on 10/04/2012 00:41:06
Raine on 10/04/2012 00:41:06
20 minutes!!!
Comment by clintster on 10/04/2012 00:48:17
clintster on 10/04/2012 00:48:17
Will we have a debate thread?
Comment by TriSec on 10/04/2012 00:54:50
TriSec on 10/04/2012 00:54:50
Ready to Rumble!
Comment by clintster on 10/04/2012 01:02:18
clintster on 10/04/2012 01:02:18
And yeeeere we go!
Comment by TriSec on 10/04/2012 01:06:40
TriSec on 10/04/2012 01:06:40
New Economic patriotism....I like it.
Comment by wickedpam on 10/04/2012 01:08:38
wickedpam on 10/04/2012 01:08:38
This man already makes me sick - don't know if I can do the whole 90. He's such a liar. Didn't help the plant that Bain is trying to close down now and send the jobs to China
Comment by livingonli on 10/04/2012 01:09:29
livingonli on 10/04/2012 01:09:29
Of course I had to be in the bathroom just as it started.
Comment by TriSec on 10/04/2012 01:10:52
TriSec on 10/04/2012 01:10:52
"We both agree"....
Translation - vote for me because I'll do the same thing he will, and I'm already President.
Translation - vote for me because I'll do the same thing he will, and I'm already President.
Comment by livingonli on 10/04/2012 01:14:32
livingonli on 10/04/2012 01:14:32
How do you know Mittens is lying can be answered by "When his lips are moving".
Comment by TriSec on 10/04/2012 01:15:44
TriSec on 10/04/2012 01:15:44
I'm liking the President with his little smile while Romney is talking.
Like a college professor waiting for an earnest, but misguided, student to finish before he clinically dismantles his argument.
Like a college professor waiting for an earnest, but misguided, student to finish before he clinically dismantles his argument.
Comment by wickedpam on 10/04/2012 01:17:35
wickedpam on 10/04/2012 01:17:35
He's so freaking smug I want throw something at my TV 
Comment by TriSec on 10/04/2012 01:20:25
TriSec on 10/04/2012 01:20:25
mmmm....they're both already starting to drone. Jim, change the subject, mmkay?
Comment by clintster on 10/04/2012 01:21:44
clintster on 10/04/2012 01:21:44
Jim announcing that they're already over the first 15 minute mark.
Comment by clintster on 10/04/2012 01:22:11
clintster on 10/04/2012 01:22:11
And Mittens won't let go of the bone.
Comment by clintster on 10/04/2012 01:25:36
clintster on 10/04/2012 01:25:36
Mitt: "But it's not a 5-trillion dollar tax cut!" That's his cunning plan for tonight?
Comment by trojanrabbit on 10/04/2012 01:28:22
trojanrabbit on 10/04/2012 01:28:22
Jim's lost control of this already. No way in hell I'm staying up through this.
What exemptions and deductions are you cutting Mitt
OBAMACARE....drink
What exemptions and deductions are you cutting Mitt
OBAMACARE....drink
Comment by TriSec on 10/04/2012 01:29:39
TriSec on 10/04/2012 01:29:39
I'm surprised to learn that PBS is so lavishly funded that cutting their funding will reduce the deficit.
Comment by livingonli on 10/04/2012 01:30:07
livingonli on 10/04/2012 01:30:07
He likes Big Bird. He's the same height as the trees.
Comment by wickedpam on 10/04/2012 01:31:25
wickedpam on 10/04/2012 01:31:25
Quote by livingonli:
He likes Big Bird. He's the same height as the trees.
Comment by TriSec on 10/04/2012 01:35:21
TriSec on 10/04/2012 01:35:21
Aaand Jim Lehrer is unfortunately about as effective as David Gregory was in Lowell Monday.
Comment by wickedpam on 10/04/2012 01:37:05
wickedpam on 10/04/2012 01:37:05
Hey my tweet showed up on Current!
Comment by wickedpam on 10/04/2012 01:37:51
yay, this is rather out of control - what ever happened to the signal lights during debates?
wickedpam on 10/04/2012 01:37:51
Quote by TriSec:
Aaand Jim Lehrer is unfortunately about as effective as David Gregory was in Lowell Monday.
yay, this is rather out of control - what ever happened to the signal lights during debates?
Comment by trojanrabbit on 10/04/2012 01:41:39
trojanrabbit on 10/04/2012 01:41:39
Yeah, Rick Scott will do wonders with less Medicare funds.
Solyndra DRINK
Solyndra DRINK
Comment by TriSec on 10/04/2012 01:42:07
TriSec on 10/04/2012 01:42:07
And now my interest is starting to wane.
Comment by livingonli on 10/04/2012 01:42:23
livingonli on 10/04/2012 01:42:23
Quote by wickedpam:
Hey my tweet showed up on Current!
Comment by Will in Chicago on 10/04/2012 01:46:10
Will in Chicago on 10/04/2012 01:46:10
Lehrer should just step back and let the candidates talk. He does not seem moderating at all.
Comment by trojanrabbit on 10/04/2012 01:48:42
trojanrabbit on 10/04/2012 01:48:42
So Romney disagrees with Ryan......good
Comment by livingonli on 10/04/2012 01:48:55
It seems like he's letting Mitt take over. He hasn't been stopped from talking too long.
livingonli on 10/04/2012 01:48:55
Quote by Will in Chicago:
Lehrer should just step back and let the candidates talk. He does not seem moderating at all.
It seems like he's letting Mitt take over. He hasn't been stopped from talking too long.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 10/04/2012 01:52:19
So far, even with having to run out for family, it seems that Romney is getting more time than the President.
Will in Chicago on 10/04/2012 01:52:19
Quote by livingonli:Quote by Will in Chicago:
Lehrer should just step back and let the candidates talk. He does not seem moderating at all.
It seems like he's letting Mitt take over. He hasn't been stopped from talking too long.
So far, even with having to run out for family, it seems that Romney is getting more time than the President.
Comment by trojanrabbit on 10/04/2012 01:53:58
trojanrabbit on 10/04/2012 01:53:58
WHY ISN'T HALF OF WALL STREET IN PRISON!!!!!
Comment by Will in Chicago on 10/04/2012 01:56:29
The DOJ should act on this but hasn't.
Will in Chicago on 10/04/2012 01:56:29
Quote by trojanrabbit:
WHY ISN'T HALF OF WALL STREET IN PRISON!!!!!
The DOJ should act on this but hasn't.
Comment by trojanrabbit on 10/04/2012 01:56:48
trojanrabbit on 10/04/2012 01:56:48
Why is Romney always going first?
Comment by trojanrabbit on 10/04/2012 01:58:31
trojanrabbit on 10/04/2012 01:58:31
Of course we know that insurance rates would have stopped going up if nothing was done, right Mitt?
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Comment by Will in Chicago on 10/04/2012 01:59:10
I noticed that as well.
Will in Chicago on 10/04/2012 01:59:10
Quote by trojanrabbit:
Why is Romney always going first?
I noticed that as well.
Comment by trojanrabbit on 10/04/2012 02:03:02
trojanrabbit on 10/04/2012 02:03:02
Tell them how many Republicans are in MA state government, Mitt
FUCK YOU MITT lying bastard
FUCK YOU MITT lying bastard
Comment by TriSec on 10/04/2012 02:04:54
TriSec on 10/04/2012 02:04:54
My eyes have officially glazed over.
Disappointed overall. This will be seen as a Romney win, methinks. But we've got another "Replacement Moderator" running the show. He lost control in the first 15 minute segment, and Mitt has been driving ever since.
Disappointed overall. This will be seen as a Romney win, methinks. But we've got another "Replacement Moderator" running the show. He lost control in the first 15 minute segment, and Mitt has been driving ever since.
Comment by livingonli on 10/04/2012 02:06:42
livingonli on 10/04/2012 02:06:42
The moderator position will be assumed by a potted plant.
Comment by trojanrabbit on 10/04/2012 02:09:14
trojanrabbit on 10/04/2012 02:09:14
The moderator is doing his masters' bidding. The media wants this close.
Comment by TriSec on 10/04/2012 02:09:23
TriSec on 10/04/2012 02:09:23
I'm going to read Churchill.
68 minutes...I did better than Mondo.
68 minutes...I did better than Mondo.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 10/04/2012 02:13:13
Good choice. I am going to stay in. I have a friend to call at about the end of the debate.
Obama finally gets to go first again.
Will in Chicago on 10/04/2012 02:13:13
Quote by TriSec:
I'm going to read Churchill.
68 minutes...I did better than Mondo.
Good choice. I am going to stay in. I have a friend to call at about the end of the debate.
Obama finally gets to go first again.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 10/04/2012 02:13:58
They need the ad revenue as voters go to cable instead of lame sitcoms and recycled action shows with a heavy sprinkling of unreality shows.
Will in Chicago on 10/04/2012 02:13:58
Quote by trojanrabbit:
The moderator is doing his masters' bidding. The media wants this close.
They need the ad revenue as voters go to cable instead of lame sitcoms and recycled action shows with a heavy sprinkling of unreality shows.
Comment by trojanrabbit on 10/04/2012 02:17:21
trojanrabbit on 10/04/2012 02:17:21
But (for now) MA WILL PAY FOR TEACHERS!!
Comment by trojanrabbit on 10/04/2012 02:18:00
I wouldn't know. I dumped cable.
trojanrabbit on 10/04/2012 02:18:00
Quote by Will in Chicago:Quote by trojanrabbit:
The moderator is doing his masters' bidding. The media wants this close.
They need the ad revenue as voters go to cable instead of lame sitcoms and recycled action shows with a heavy sprinkling of unreality shows.
I wouldn't know. I dumped cable.
Comment by trojanrabbit on 10/04/2012 02:19:29
trojanrabbit on 10/04/2012 02:19:29
Yes, Mitt's idea of keeping education in the hands of the states is great.
Most R run states will want to keep the electorate stupid.
Most R run states will want to keep the electorate stupid.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 10/04/2012 02:19:53
I barely watch TV except for some news and sports. Most entertainment is too predictable.
Will in Chicago on 10/04/2012 02:19:53
Quote by trojanrabbit:Quote by Will in Chicago:Quote by trojanrabbit:
The moderator is doing his masters' bidding. The media wants this close.
They need the ad revenue as voters go to cable instead of lame sitcoms and recycled action shows with a heavy sprinkling of unreality shows.
I wouldn't know. I dumped cable.
I barely watch TV except for some news and sports. Most entertainment is too predictable.
Comment by trojanrabbit on 10/04/2012 02:21:54
Netflix has all the entertainment I need.
And as long as NFL is mostly OTA, I'm OK.
trojanrabbit on 10/04/2012 02:21:54
Quote by Will in Chicago:Quote by trojanrabbit:Quote by Will in Chicago:Quote by trojanrabbit:
The moderator is doing his masters' bidding. The media wants this close.
They need the ad revenue as voters go to cable instead of lame sitcoms and recycled action shows with a heavy sprinkling of unreality shows.
I wouldn't know. I dumped cable.
I barely watch TV except for some news and sports. Most entertainment is too predictable.
Netflix has all the entertainment I need.
And as long as NFL is mostly OTA, I'm OK.
Comment by trojanrabbit on 10/04/2012 02:22:44
trojanrabbit on 10/04/2012 02:22:44
Rmoney always gets the last word. I'm done with this shit.
Comment by clintster on 10/04/2012 02:23:04
clintster on 10/04/2012 02:23:04
Said it on Twitter, I'll say it here:
Mitt is talking like a salesman, Barack like a statesman.
Mitt is talking like a salesman, Barack like a statesman.
Comment by clintster on 10/04/2012 02:24:18
clintster on 10/04/2012 02:24:18
GRADING OUR SCHOOLS???!?!?!?
Go fuck yourself, Mitt!
SIDEWAYS!
Go fuck yourself, Mitt!
SIDEWAYS!
Comment by trojanrabbit on 10/04/2012 02:24:54
trojanrabbit on 10/04/2012 02:24:54
MA succeeds IN SPITE OF WHAT MITT tried to do to us.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 10/04/2012 02:29:16
That is not a pleasant image.
I think we need to go back to the Lincoln-Douglas style of debates that are free form. I have seen too many useless moderators.
Will in Chicago on 10/04/2012 02:29:16
Quote by clintster:
GRADING OUR SCHOOLS???!?!?!?
Go fuck yourself, Mitt!
SIDEWAYS!
That is not a pleasant image.
I think we need to go back to the Lincoln-Douglas style of debates that are free form. I have seen too many useless moderators.
Comment by livingonli on 10/04/2012 02:33:40
livingonli on 10/04/2012 02:33:40
They were probably just applauding that it was over.
Comment by wickedpam on 10/04/2012 02:36:54
wickedpam on 10/04/2012 02:36:54
now I have a headache