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Ask a Vet
Author: TriSec
Date: 10/15/2013 10:18:36
Good Morning.
Today is our 4,391st day in Afghanistan.
We'll start this morning as we always do; with the latest casualty figures from our ongoing war, courtesy of Antiwar.com:
US Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 2,276
Other Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 1,103
We find this morning's cost of war passing through:
$ 1, 480, 724, 775, 000 .00
Let's take a look at the "slimdown" as our friends would call it, since we all know that no real Americans were harmed during the government shutdown.
But I suppose we shouldn't worry about this too much. Since the bulk of our spending goes to the military these days, it must be a lean, mean, fighting machine, and couldn't possibly be overrun with Onion-like stories like this, could it?
But that's just equipment...surely the party that supports the troops would want to make sure that things like training and support remains untouched...after all, the saying is "Train hard, Fight easy." A good deal of that readiness is the capability we have here in the United States to help our own citizens. When a natural disaster strikes, who is usually the first on the line?
But no real Americans have been harmed....yet. It's still hurricane season, you know.
Today is our 4,391st day in Afghanistan.
We'll start this morning as we always do; with the latest casualty figures from our ongoing war, courtesy of Antiwar.com:
US Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 2,276
Other Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 1,103
We find this morning's cost of war passing through:
Let's take a look at the "slimdown" as our friends would call it, since we all know that no real Americans were harmed during the government shutdown.
FAYETTEVILLE, N.C. — First, Robert Randles got “riffed” — removed from his building inspector job at the nearby Fort Bragg Army post as part of the military’s “reduction in force.”
Next, he got “sequestered” — forced to take an unpaid day off every week for six weeks this summer from his new job as an electrician at Fort Bragg.
Then this month Randles, a 50-year-old Army veteran, became a victim of the government shutdown. Along with 7,250 other civilian government workers at Fort Bragg, he was furloughed.
The shutdown sent shock waves through Fayetteville, a tough, vibrant military town that for decades has enjoyed a symbiotic relationship with the sprawling military reservation on its shoulder. When asked where they’re from, many Fort Bragg soldiers born and raised elsewhere reply: “Fayetteville.”
Fayetteville would still be a sleepy Southern hamlet without Fort Bragg and the Army’s adjacent Pope Field. The city’s very identity is inextricably bound with the military, from the gun stores and strip clubs along Bragg Boulevard to the “Iron Mike” paratrooper statue at the entrance to the city’s revitalized downtown.
Some unexpected — and welcome — news arrived Saturday when Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel announced that about 350,000 civilian defense workers would be called back to work. A Fort Bragg spokesman said most of the base’s furloughed Defense Department workers would be back on the job Monday. In all, about 800,000 federal employees had been idled.
Hagel said the worker recall was possible after lawyers determined that the Pay Our Military Act, a measure passed by Congress and signed into law shortly before the shutdown began Tuesday, could also apply to civilian workers “whose responsibilities contribute to the morale, well-being, capabilities and readiness of service members.”
But I suppose we shouldn't worry about this too much. Since the bulk of our spending goes to the military these days, it must be a lean, mean, fighting machine, and couldn't possibly be overrun with Onion-like stories like this, could it?
New cargo planes on order for the U.S. Air Force are being delivered straight into storage in the Arizona desert because the military has no use for them, a Dayton Daily News investigation found.
A dozen nearly new C-27J Spartans from Ohio and elsewhere have already been taken out of service and shipped to the so-called boneyard at Davis-Monthan Air Force Base in Tucson. Five more are expected to be built by April 2014, all of which are headed to the boneyard unless another use for them is found.
The Air Force has spent $567 million on 21 C-27J aircraft since 2007, according to purchasing officials at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base. Sixteen had been delivered by the end of September.
The Air Force almost had to buy more of the planes against its will, the newspaper found. A solicitation issued from Wright-Patterson in May sought vendors to build more C-27Js, citing Congressional language requiring the military to spend money budgeted for the planes, despite Pentagon protests.
Congress put the brakes on the expenditure, which was the right thing to do according to government watchers such as Mike O’Hanlon of the Brookings Institute. He said the planned additional purchase would have been “simply wasting precious taxpayer money.”
The military initally wanted the C-27J because it had unique capabilities, such as the ability to take off and land on less developed runways, according to Ethan Rosenkranz, national security analyst at the Project on Government Oversight. But when sequestration hit, the military realized the planes weren’t a necessity, but instead a luxury it couldn’t afford, he said.
“When they start discarding these programs, it’s wasteful,” he said.
O’Hanlon said their near-resurrection was largely due to parochialism.
“It’s too bad, and a waste,” he said. “I’m not sure the program was ever a white elephant, and yet given budget cuts I’m not sure it should be saved now.”
But that's just equipment...surely the party that supports the troops would want to make sure that things like training and support remains untouched...after all, the saying is "Train hard, Fight easy." A good deal of that readiness is the capability we have here in the United States to help our own citizens. When a natural disaster strikes, who is usually the first on the line?
Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel's order to bring 400,000 furloughed defense workers back on the job this week was greeted with relief by many, but it didn't cover a crucial part of the military — the National Guard and Reserves.
Monthly drills and the paychecks that came with them have vanished for hundreds of thousands of part-time troops, including about 20,000 soldiers and airmen in the Texas National Guard.
But that's not all.
Training days are being erased from the books. Occupational and professional development classes have been canceled. Troops called up for temporary deployments in the United States and overseas have been called back.
While the shutdown has idled much of the force, the troops still can be deployed for essential missions, such as disaster response.
At Martindale Army Airfield on the East Side, five UH-60 Black Hawk medical evacuation helicopters were idled on the flight line Wednesday, barred from flying because Congress hasn't passed a new budget.
A crew did a “run-up” on one, starting the engine and spinning the rotor blades, but the helicopter stayed on the ground — a bad place for a cantankerous machine that must fly to save lives.
“If you don't fix these things and use them the way they're intended to be used, they will break,” said Maj. Gen. William Smith, commander of the Texas Army National Guard. “And if we don't have dollars to fix them, then at some point, they'll all be broken.”
The standoff between Republicans and Democrats hasn't yet imperiled force readiness, in part because the Guard and Reserve are used to living on lean budgets.
But the possibility that lawmakers could be at loggerheads for weeks or months is a larger matter of concern for everyone from commanders to troops in the ranks.
Some worry about morale. Others fret over the potential for troops to lose their edge.
“The problems are certainly not isolated to the Guard. That said, who's not training this month? The Guard. What service had difficulties with sequestration furloughs? The Guard,” said John Goheen, a spokesman for the National Guard Association of the United States.
But no real Americans have been harmed....yet. It's still hurricane season, you know.
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Comment by 
wickedpam on 10/15/2013 12:57:22
wickedpam on 10/15/2013 12:57:22
Morning 
Comment by 
Raine on 10/15/2013 13:04:49
good morning!
Raine on 10/15/2013 13:04:49
good morning!
Comment by 
Mondobubba on 10/15/2013 13:40:05
Mondobubba on 10/15/2013 13:40:05
Comment by 
BobR on 10/15/2013 13:41:41
BobR on 10/15/2013 13:41:41
Comment by Raine on 10/15/2013 13:49:18
Raine on 10/15/2013 13:49:18
One of the biggest problems with Cantor being given the right to bring a vote to the floor is this:
The Speaker of the House (no matter the party) has to be available via phone, email etc to everyone.
The majority leader (a political position) does not. Eric Cantor can reject phone calls emails that are not in his district.
In effect, Cantor is now the leader of the house -- but has found a loophole to ignore the party with a (D) after its name.
The Speaker of the House (no matter the party) has to be available via phone, email etc to everyone.
The majority leader (a political position) does not. Eric Cantor can reject phone calls emails that are not in his district.
In effect, Cantor is now the leader of the house -- but has found a loophole to ignore the party with a (D) after its name.
Comment by Raine on 10/15/2013 13:49:40
I knew it would!
Raine on 10/15/2013 13:49:40
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
Anthony Hopkins has a huge crush on Bryan Cranston.
This makes me have a happy.
Comment by Raine on 10/15/2013 13:52:34
some of the callers could be Giants fans pretending to be Jags fans!
Raine on 10/15/2013 13:52:34
Quote by Mondobubba:
Oh those cheeky folks at The Onion!
some of the callers could be Giants fans pretending to be Jags fans!
Comment by Raine on 10/15/2013 13:58:43
Here we friggin go again...Here we friggin go again...Here we friggin go again...Here we friggin go again...Here we friggin go again...Here we friggin go again...Here we friggin go again...Here we friggin go again...Here we friggin go again...Here we friggin go again...Here we friggin go again...Here we friggin go again...Here we friggin go again...Here we friggin go again...Here we friggin go again...Here we friggin go again...Here we friggin go again...Here we friggin go again...
Seriously,Here we friggin go again...
Raine on 10/15/2013 13:58:43
Seriously,Here we friggin go again...
The bill will ask for, among other things, a two year delay in a controversial medical device tax, and will require income verification for various aspects of Obamacare.
In return, the bill will fund the government through January 15, and raise the debt ceiling until February 7.
Comment by BobR on 10/15/2013 14:00:18
"We will ensure Obamacare fails by not funding it the way it was designed"
And I'm quite certain that medical device tax is only "controversial" among Republicans
BobR on 10/15/2013 14:00:18
Quote by Raine:Here we friggin go again...Here we friggin go again...Here we friggin go again...Here we friggin go again...Here we friggin go again...Here we friggin go again...Here we friggin go again...Here we friggin go again...Here we friggin go again...Here we friggin go again...Here we friggin go again...Here we friggin go again...Here we friggin go again...Here we friggin go again...Here we friggin go again...Here we friggin go again...Here we friggin go again...Here we friggin go again...
Seriously,Here we friggin go again...The bill will ask for, among other things, a two year delay in a controversial medical device tax, and will require income verification for various aspects of Obamacare.
In return, the bill will fund the government through January 15, and raise the debt ceiling until February 7.
"We will ensure Obamacare fails by not funding it the way it was designed"
And I'm quite certain that medical device tax is only "controversial" among Republicans
Comment by 
trojanrabbit on 10/15/2013 14:01:51
trojanrabbit on 10/15/2013 14:01:51
Good morning.
Maybe the South Dakotans who lost most of their cattle in the freak snowstorm and are now complaining that the Feds aren't there to help might think differently now. I doubt it. I feel sorrier for the cattle than I do for them.
My boss told me yesterday that I'm finally going to get a cube of my own (how this is different from what I was supposed to have a month ago I don't know, but anyway, he's a cat lover and he helped me through Lucky's illness....). I'm deciding for now to keep my little friend as my PC wallpaper. Actually I CAN move to one of the cubes now, but I'll have to move again in a few weeks.
Maybe the South Dakotans who lost most of their cattle in the freak snowstorm and are now complaining that the Feds aren't there to help might think differently now. I doubt it. I feel sorrier for the cattle than I do for them.
My boss told me yesterday that I'm finally going to get a cube of my own (how this is different from what I was supposed to have a month ago I don't know, but anyway, he's a cat lover and he helped me through Lucky's illness....). I'm deciding for now to keep my little friend as my PC wallpaper. Actually I CAN move to one of the cubes now, but I'll have to move again in a few weeks.
Comment by trojanrabbit on 10/15/2013 14:04:23
And medical device manufacturers.
I would say it's a near certainty that Rafael will block anything coming out of the Senate to protect Cantor and Boner.
trojanrabbit on 10/15/2013 14:04:23
Quote by BobR:Quote by Raine:Here we friggin go again...Here we friggin go again...Here we friggin go again...Here we friggin go again...Here we friggin go again...Here we friggin go again...Here we friggin go again...Here we friggin go again...Here we friggin go again...Here we friggin go again...Here we friggin go again...Here we friggin go again...Here we friggin go again...Here we friggin go again...Here we friggin go again...Here we friggin go again...Here we friggin go again...Here we friggin go again...
Seriously,Here we friggin go again...The bill will ask for, among other things, a two year delay in a controversial medical device tax, and will require income verification for various aspects of Obamacare.
In return, the bill will fund the government through January 15, and raise the debt ceiling until February 7.
"We will ensure Obamacare fails by not funding it the way it was designed"
And I'm quite certain that medical device tax is only "controversial" among Republicans
And medical device manufacturers.
I would say it's a near certainty that Rafael will block anything coming out of the Senate to protect Cantor and Boner.
Comment by wickedpam on 10/15/2013 14:08:39
I can't even believe they are really considering this a "good compromise" - Reid you suck at this, McConnell is lying to you again.
wickedpam on 10/15/2013 14:08:39
Quote by trojanrabbit:Quote by BobR:Quote by Raine:Here we friggin go again...Here we friggin go again...Here we friggin go again...Here we friggin go again...Here we friggin go again...Here we friggin go again...Here we friggin go again...Here we friggin go again...Here we friggin go again...Here we friggin go again...Here we friggin go again...Here we friggin go again...Here we friggin go again...Here we friggin go again...Here we friggin go again...Here we friggin go again...Here we friggin go again...Here we friggin go again...
Seriously,Here we friggin go again...The bill will ask for, among other things, a two year delay in a controversial medical device tax, and will require income verification for various aspects of Obamacare.
In return, the bill will fund the government through January 15, and raise the debt ceiling until February 7.
"We will ensure Obamacare fails by not funding it the way it was designed"
And I'm quite certain that medical device tax is only "controversial" among Republicans
And medical device manufacturers.
I would say it's a near certainty that Rafael will block anything coming out of the Senate to protect Cantor and Boner.
I can't even believe they are really considering this a "good compromise" - Reid you suck at this, McConnell is lying to you again.
Comment by Raine on 10/15/2013 14:09:24
Raine on 10/15/2013 14:09:24
They are going to try to impeach POTUS you know.
Comment by wickedpam on 10/15/2013 14:14:11
of course they are, they've been screaming about since before he even was inaugurated.
Wasn't Clinton impeached but he still held office and came out the other side even more popular. Just because someone's impeached doesn't mean they are going to leave office ala Nixon.
wickedpam on 10/15/2013 14:14:11
Quote by Raine:
They are going to try to impeach POTUS you know.
of course they are, they've been screaming about since before he even was inaugurated.
Wasn't Clinton impeached but he still held office and came out the other side even more popular. Just because someone's impeached doesn't mean they are going to leave office ala Nixon.
Comment by Raine on 10/15/2013 14:15:24
Raine on 10/15/2013 14:15:24
Comment by trojanrabbit on 10/15/2013 14:15:51
trojanrabbit on 10/15/2013 14:15:51
Comment by Raine on 10/15/2013 14:16:07
Yup. The house impeached him, the Senate didn't convict.
Raine on 10/15/2013 14:16:07
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
They are going to try to impeach POTUS you know.
of course they are, they've been screaming about since before he even was inaugurated.
Wasn't Clinton impeached but he still held office and came out the other side even more popular. Just because someone's impeached doesn't mean they are going to leave office ala Nixon.
Comment by 
Scoopster on 10/15/2013 14:21:28
Scoopster on 10/15/2013 14:21:28
Mornin' all.. 
Well, I had a relaxing & productive weekend.. and profitable on the gaming front!
Well, I had a relaxing & productive weekend.. and profitable on the gaming front!
Comment by trojanrabbit on 10/15/2013 14:22:58
And Nixon wasn't actually impeached, I seem to remember. He Palin'd out before they had the chance.
trojanrabbit on 10/15/2013 14:22:58
Quote by Raine:Yup. The house impeached him, the Senate didn't convict.Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
They are going to try to impeach POTUS you know.
of course they are, they've been screaming about since before he even was inaugurated.
Wasn't Clinton impeached but he still held office and came out the other side even more popular. Just because someone's impeached doesn't mean they are going to leave office ala Nixon.
And Nixon wasn't actually impeached, I seem to remember. He Palin'd out before they had the chance.
Comment by Raine on 10/15/2013 14:24:12
Yup. I think JAckson was the only other POTUS to be impeached. (going to double check)
Raine on 10/15/2013 14:24:12
Quote by trojanrabbit:Quote by Raine:Yup. The house impeached him, the Senate didn't convict.Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
They are going to try to impeach POTUS you know.
of course they are, they've been screaming about since before he even was inaugurated.
Wasn't Clinton impeached but he still held office and came out the other side even more popular. Just because someone's impeached doesn't mean they are going to leave office ala Nixon.
And Nixon wasn't actually impeached, I seem to remember. He Palin'd out before they had the chance.
Comment by Raine on 10/15/2013 14:27:26
My bad: It was Andrew Johnson. Not Jackson.
Raine on 10/15/2013 14:27:26
Quote by Raine:Yup. I think JAckson was the only other POTUS to be impeached. (going to double check)Quote by trojanrabbit:Quote by Raine:Yup. The house impeached him, the Senate didn't convict.Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
They are going to try to impeach POTUS you know.
of course they are, they've been screaming about since before he even was inaugurated.
Wasn't Clinton impeached but he still held office and came out the other side even more popular. Just because someone's impeached doesn't mean they are going to leave office ala Nixon.
And Nixon wasn't actually impeached, I seem to remember. He Palin'd out before they had the chance.
Comment by Raine on 10/15/2013 14:28:15
Raine on 10/15/2013 14:28:15
Ironically -- Johnson became POTUS as the civil war was ending -- he was Lincoln's VP.
Comment by Raine on 10/15/2013 14:36:31
Raine on 10/15/2013 14:36:31
We told you about the emerging deal in the Senate — now, here’s its House counterpart:
Funding the government at sequestration levels until January 15
Raising the debt limit until February 7
Income verification for recipients of subsidies under Obamacare
Delay of the medical device tax for 2 years
A requirement that all members of Congress and members of the cabinet sign up for Obamacare, with no employer contribution
Ending the ability of the treasury to take ‘extraordinary measures‘ to avoid default in the future
Comment by wickedpam on 10/15/2013 14:36:50
true, he was a coward in that aspect - I don't see Obama as a coward or a quitter
wickedpam on 10/15/2013 14:36:50
Quote by trojanrabbit:Quote by Raine:Yup. The house impeached him, the Senate didn't convict.Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
They are going to try to impeach POTUS you know.
of course they are, they've been screaming about since before he even was inaugurated.
Wasn't Clinton impeached but he still held office and came out the other side even more popular. Just because someone's impeached doesn't mean they are going to leave office ala Nixon.
And Nixon wasn't actually impeached, I seem to remember. He Palin'd out before they had the chance.
true, he was a coward in that aspect - I don't see Obama as a coward or a quitter
Comment by Raine on 10/15/2013 14:37:28
Raine on 10/15/2013 14:37:28
Comment by Raine on 10/15/2013 14:38:08
Obama hasn't broken the law either.
Nixon was going to go to jail. There was no question about that.
Raine on 10/15/2013 14:38:08
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by trojanrabbit:Quote by Raine:Yup. The house impeached him, the Senate didn't convict.Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
They are going to try to impeach POTUS you know.
of course they are, they've been screaming about since before he even was inaugurated.
Wasn't Clinton impeached but he still held office and came out the other side even more popular. Just because someone's impeached doesn't mean they are going to leave office ala Nixon.
And Nixon wasn't actually impeached, I seem to remember. He Palin'd out before they had the chance.
true, he was a coward in that aspect - I don't see Obama as a coward or a quitter
Nixon was going to go to jail. There was no question about that.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/15/2013 14:44:02
To remove a sitting president via impeachment requires the Senate to vote to convict the president of the charges brought by the House. Both Bubba and Andrew Johnson were impeached by the House, but the Senate failed to convict.
Nixon saw the writing on the wall and resigned to avoid being impeached and convicted.
(Mondo is done with a tasteful display of that fancy polisci degree)
Mondobubba on 10/15/2013 14:44:02
To remove a sitting president via impeachment requires the Senate to vote to convict the president of the charges brought by the House. Both Bubba and Andrew Johnson were impeached by the House, but the Senate failed to convict.
Nixon saw the writing on the wall and resigned to avoid being impeached and convicted.
(Mondo is done with a tasteful display of that fancy polisci degree)
Comment by 
TriSec on 10/15/2013 14:46:34
TriSec on 10/15/2013 14:46:34
The Empire of TriSec once defaulted on it's debts. A number of years ago now, our economy collapsed. (I got laid off.) We went into austerity mode, and struggled to meet only the most basic of our obligations. (Roof, Lights, Heat, Food...) It was a titanic struggle for a number of years, but then things slowly got better. But there was a natural disaster that we didn't plan for (I got cancer), which depleted our last reserves. We could no longer stave off our creditors, so there were repercussions. (Housing court, near-eviction, and permanent, complete, default on any number of credit cards). Credit cards that were used to keep us afloat during the initial financial crisis...yes, we did "kick the can down the road", but the hoped-for better times never materialized.
Your takeaway from all this?
-Actions have Consequences.
-Plan for the Future.
-Have more than what you need for emergencies.
Lessons that our Republican friends have failed to learn during their entire privileged lives. Perhaps it should be a requirement for all members of Congress to "trade places" with their poorest constituent for a week during recess season - then maybe they'd understand.
Your takeaway from all this?
-Actions have Consequences.
-Plan for the Future.
-Have more than what you need for emergencies.
Lessons that our Republican friends have failed to learn during their entire privileged lives. Perhaps it should be a requirement for all members of Congress to "trade places" with their poorest constituent for a week during recess season - then maybe they'd understand.
Comment by wickedpam on 10/15/2013 14:52:59
exactly
wickedpam on 10/15/2013 14:52:59
Quote by Raine:Obama hasn't broken the law either.Quote by wickedpam:Quote by trojanrabbit:Quote by Raine:Yup. The house impeached him, the Senate didn't convict.Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
They are going to try to impeach POTUS you know.
of course they are, they've been screaming about since before he even was inaugurated.
Wasn't Clinton impeached but he still held office and came out the other side even more popular. Just because someone's impeached doesn't mean they are going to leave office ala Nixon.
And Nixon wasn't actually impeached, I seem to remember. He Palin'd out before they had the chance.
true, he was a coward in that aspect - I don't see Obama as a coward or a quitter
Nixon was going to go to jail. There was no question about that.
exactly
Comment by BobR on 10/15/2013 14:54:23
This is a really shitty deal.
BobR on 10/15/2013 14:54:23
Quote by Raine:We told you about the emerging deal in the Senate — now, here’s its House counterpart:
Funding the government at sequestration levels until January 15
Raising the debt limit until February 7
Income verification for recipients of subsidies under Obamacare
Delay of the medical device tax for 2 years
A requirement that all members of Congress and members of the cabinet sign up for Obamacare, with no employer contribution
Ending the ability of the treasury to take ‘extraordinary measures‘ to avoid default in the future
This is a really shitty deal.
Comment by trojanrabbit on 10/15/2013 15:00:08
trojanrabbit on 10/15/2013 15:00:08
Someone at Fark came up with this. I think it's damn brilliant.
here is an updated version of the factsheet, I put together.
Feel Free to share. I am not worried about "credit."
Spoecial thanks to "COMALite J" for some extra special detail goodness.
Historical Facts about the Current Government Shutdown and Impending Default with Citations
In January of 1989 (While Reagan was still president) the republicans published a paper outlining a healthcar overhaul plan that included much of what is in todays Affordable Care and Patient Protection Act, also known as Obamacare
http://thf_media.s3.amazonaws.com/1989/pdf/ci_0891950494.pdf,
In October of 1989, they expanded the paper into a book
http://www.heritage.org/research/lecture/assuring-affordable-health- ca re-for-all-americans and http://thf_media.s3.amazonaws.com/1989/pdf/hl218.pdf
This was created more than 4 years before anyone even heard of Bill and Hillary Clinton,
http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2012/02/07/the-tortuous-co ns ervative-history-of-the-individual-mandate/
They pushed for this plan over the course of 2 decades, and they even supported this plan as late as 2008
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthy_Americans_Act
Then When the democrats agreed to adopt this plan, the GOP suddenly (and at that point only) decided the plan was unconstitutional and posed a grave threat to the nation. And refused to support any aspect of it
They sued in the supreme court but lost
http://www.scribd.com/doc/98544934/Supreme-Court-upholds-Affordable- Ca re-Act
They ran presidential candidate who opposed the Affordable Care Act even though he had passed a nearly identical law in the State of Massachusetts
http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2011/10/20/how-a-conservat iv e-think-tank-invented-the-individual-mandate/
Obama was re-elected with the Affordable Care Act being a center piece of the election
http://www.politico.com/2012-election/map/
Republicans opposed the ACA because it hate elements that violated their Christian Faith
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/judge-rejects-states-lawsuit-challen gi ng-obamacare-contraception-mandate
While a Harvard study concluded that as many as 45,000 Americans die each year due to lack of health care coverage
http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2009/09/new-study-finds-45000- de aths-annually-linked-to-lack-of-health-coverage/
Which is something some republicans have openly admitted to finding acceptable.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/the_big_idea/2011/09 /l et_him_die.html
and
Deciding that the Affordable Care Act was a serious threat to the nation, the GOP engineered a strategy of threatening a Government Shutdown to protest the Affordable Care Act.
To pull this off The Republicans strategized how to engineer the shutdown, and how to handle the spin
http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2013/10/05/federal-budget-cri si s-months-planning/bhA7OHhAIBvNNincmzdtjJ/story.html
80 members of congress signed a letter to force the shutdown.
http://www.freedomworks.org/blog/jwithrow/does-your-senator-stand-wi th -mike-lee-against-obam
They said a shutdown would not be a bad thing
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/07/30/ted- cr uz-government-shutdown-wouldnt-be-so-bad/
They celebrated when it happened
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/republicans-shut-down-the- go vernment-but-they-cant-stop-obamacare-20131001
The House Republicans changed a long standing House Rule at the last minute to ensure the shutdown would stay in effect:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/the-house-gop-s-little-rule-change-t ha t-guaranteed-a-shutdown
When challenged about this, the republicans would not address the issue.
All the while They accused the Democrats and Obama of not negotiating, even though the democrats tried repeatedly to negotiate
http://www.nationaljournal.com/congress/19-times-democrats-tried-to- ne gotiate-with-republicans-20131007?mrefid=mostread
Which should not have been necessary since Harry Reid and John Boehner had a deal, that Boehner backed out of.
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/326425-reid-boehner-backed-out-of -d eal
And despite all of this, The Republicans attempted blame Obama for the Shutdown
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/topoftheticket/la-na-tt-republicans-b la me-obama-20131006,0,2739790.story
Some Republicans attempted to hide behind our veterans to blame the president
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/10/13/million-vet-march-storms-d -c -war-memorials/
and
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57605861/republicans-investigati ng -monument-closures-during-shutdown/
Despite the fact that sent American soldiers into a war
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2002/roll455.xml
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/107-2002/s237
That caused 4400 American soldiers to die
http://icasualties.org/Iraq/index.aspx
and more than 30,000 to be wounded
http://icasualties.org/Iraq/USCasualtiesByState.aspx
for no reason what so ever
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/7634313/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/t/c ia s-final-report-no-wmd-found-iraq/
But now that they think they can make some political gains, they suddenly want to support the troops
http://www.politicususa.com/2013/10/13/million-vet-march-organizers- co ndemn-sarah-palin-ted-cruz-tea-party.html
Other republicans admitted they have no idea what the shutdown was about.
http://www.salon.com/2013/10/03/gop_congressman_were_not_going_to_be _d isrespected/
Some openly admitted the shutdown was about "pride"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/05/dennis-ross-government-shut do wn_n_4050231.html?ref=topbar
The Irony is that the shutdown improved the popularity of Obamacare
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2013/10/11/boomerang-poll-reve al s-gops-government-shutdown-bolstered-obamacare-popularity-by-20/
Which had always been more popular when not called Obamacare
http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2013/09/29/obamacare-affordabl e- care-act-obama-column/2892183/
which is more popular than the Republican led Congress
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-10-09/politics/42838288_1_h ous e-republicans-shutdown-senate-democrats
And when their strategy failed to gain support of the public
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/327161-poll-65-perc en t-oppose-tying-obamacare-to-shutdown-debt-ceiling-fights
They Decided that the shutdown fight was no longer about the Affordable Care act, but now spending and the debt
http://news.yahoo.com/republicans-see-shutdown-fight-shift-away-oba mac are-215949746.html
Meanwhile In 2001, The GOP President and GOP Congress
Inherited a projected budget surplus and a projected elimination of the entire debt within 10 years.
http://clinton4.nara.gov/WH/new/html/Fri_Dec_29_151111_2000.html
The GOP then passed a tax cut,
http://www.cbo.gov/publication/41463
waged an expensive war
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-03-28/world/38097452_1_iraq -pr ice-tag-first-gulf-war-veterans
and repeatedly voted to raise the debt ceiling with no demands on spending cuts.
2002 vote: http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2002/roll279.xml
2003 vote: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/108-2003/s202
2004 vote: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/108-2004/h536
2006 vote: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/109-2006/s54
2007 vote: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/110-2007/s354
Then When a Democrat was in the Whitehouse, the GOP decided it was worth risking a default to place demands on spending cuts.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/boehner-u-s-will-default-if-ob am a-doesn-t-cave-on-the-debt-limit
Some Republicans are even calling for a default.
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/05/19/173961/nunes-calls-for-d ef ault/
Forgetting that we did default, for a day, in 1979, and it cost us Billions.
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2011-07-10/business/35238255_1_tr ea sury-bills-default-debt-limit
And ignoring what economists are saying could happen if we default
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/17/us-default-markets-conseque nc es_n_901070.html
Some Republicans are even threatening to impeach the president if a default occurs, despite admitting they will not vote to raise the debt ceiling themselves
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/13/louie-gohmert-impeach_n_409 47 07.html
Others are threatening to impeach if the president invokes the 14th Amendment to prevent a default.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/06/tim-scott-impeachment-obama -1 4-amendment-debt_n_891521.html
Does anyone have any questions as to what this is really all about?
here is an updated version of the factsheet, I put together.
Feel Free to share. I am not worried about "credit."
Spoecial thanks to "COMALite J" for some extra special detail goodness.
Historical Facts about the Current Government Shutdown and Impending Default with Citations
In January of 1989 (While Reagan was still president) the republicans published a paper outlining a healthcar overhaul plan that included much of what is in todays Affordable Care and Patient Protection Act, also known as Obamacare
http://thf_media.s3.amazonaws.com/1989/pdf/ci_0891950494.pdf,
In October of 1989, they expanded the paper into a book
http://www.heritage.org/research/lecture/assuring-affordable-health- ca re-for-all-americans and http://thf_media.s3.amazonaws.com/1989/pdf/hl218.pdf
This was created more than 4 years before anyone even heard of Bill and Hillary Clinton,
http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2012/02/07/the-tortuous-co ns ervative-history-of-the-individual-mandate/
They pushed for this plan over the course of 2 decades, and they even supported this plan as late as 2008
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthy_Americans_Act
Then When the democrats agreed to adopt this plan, the GOP suddenly (and at that point only) decided the plan was unconstitutional and posed a grave threat to the nation. And refused to support any aspect of it
They sued in the supreme court but lost
http://www.scribd.com/doc/98544934/Supreme-Court-upholds-Affordable- Ca re-Act
They ran presidential candidate who opposed the Affordable Care Act even though he had passed a nearly identical law in the State of Massachusetts
http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2011/10/20/how-a-conservat iv e-think-tank-invented-the-individual-mandate/
Obama was re-elected with the Affordable Care Act being a center piece of the election
http://www.politico.com/2012-election/map/
Republicans opposed the ACA because it hate elements that violated their Christian Faith
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/judge-rejects-states-lawsuit-challen gi ng-obamacare-contraception-mandate
While a Harvard study concluded that as many as 45,000 Americans die each year due to lack of health care coverage
http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2009/09/new-study-finds-45000- de aths-annually-linked-to-lack-of-health-coverage/
Which is something some republicans have openly admitted to finding acceptable.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/the_big_idea/2011/09 /l et_him_die.html
and
Deciding that the Affordable Care Act was a serious threat to the nation, the GOP engineered a strategy of threatening a Government Shutdown to protest the Affordable Care Act.
To pull this off The Republicans strategized how to engineer the shutdown, and how to handle the spin
http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2013/10/05/federal-budget-cri si s-months-planning/bhA7OHhAIBvNNincmzdtjJ/story.html
80 members of congress signed a letter to force the shutdown.
http://www.freedomworks.org/blog/jwithrow/does-your-senator-stand-wi th -mike-lee-against-obam
They said a shutdown would not be a bad thing
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/07/30/ted- cr uz-government-shutdown-wouldnt-be-so-bad/
They celebrated when it happened
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/republicans-shut-down-the- go vernment-but-they-cant-stop-obamacare-20131001
The House Republicans changed a long standing House Rule at the last minute to ensure the shutdown would stay in effect:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/the-house-gop-s-little-rule-change-t ha t-guaranteed-a-shutdown
When challenged about this, the republicans would not address the issue.
All the while They accused the Democrats and Obama of not negotiating, even though the democrats tried repeatedly to negotiate
http://www.nationaljournal.com/congress/19-times-democrats-tried-to- ne gotiate-with-republicans-20131007?mrefid=mostread
Which should not have been necessary since Harry Reid and John Boehner had a deal, that Boehner backed out of.
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/326425-reid-boehner-backed-out-of -d eal
And despite all of this, The Republicans attempted blame Obama for the Shutdown
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/topoftheticket/la-na-tt-republicans-b la me-obama-20131006,0,2739790.story
Some Republicans attempted to hide behind our veterans to blame the president
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/10/13/million-vet-march-storms-d -c -war-memorials/
and
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57605861/republicans-investigati ng -monument-closures-during-shutdown/
Despite the fact that sent American soldiers into a war
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2002/roll455.xml
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/107-2002/s237
That caused 4400 American soldiers to die
http://icasualties.org/Iraq/index.aspx
and more than 30,000 to be wounded
http://icasualties.org/Iraq/USCasualtiesByState.aspx
for no reason what so ever
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/7634313/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/t/c ia s-final-report-no-wmd-found-iraq/
But now that they think they can make some political gains, they suddenly want to support the troops
http://www.politicususa.com/2013/10/13/million-vet-march-organizers- co ndemn-sarah-palin-ted-cruz-tea-party.html
Other republicans admitted they have no idea what the shutdown was about.
http://www.salon.com/2013/10/03/gop_congressman_were_not_going_to_be _d isrespected/
Some openly admitted the shutdown was about "pride"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/05/dennis-ross-government-shut do wn_n_4050231.html?ref=topbar
The Irony is that the shutdown improved the popularity of Obamacare
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2013/10/11/boomerang-poll-reve al s-gops-government-shutdown-bolstered-obamacare-popularity-by-20/
Which had always been more popular when not called Obamacare
http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2013/09/29/obamacare-affordabl e- care-act-obama-column/2892183/
which is more popular than the Republican led Congress
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-10-09/politics/42838288_1_h ous e-republicans-shutdown-senate-democrats
And when their strategy failed to gain support of the public
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/327161-poll-65-perc en t-oppose-tying-obamacare-to-shutdown-debt-ceiling-fights
They Decided that the shutdown fight was no longer about the Affordable Care act, but now spending and the debt
http://news.yahoo.com/republicans-see-shutdown-fight-shift-away-oba mac are-215949746.html
Meanwhile In 2001, The GOP President and GOP Congress
Inherited a projected budget surplus and a projected elimination of the entire debt within 10 years.
http://clinton4.nara.gov/WH/new/html/Fri_Dec_29_151111_2000.html
The GOP then passed a tax cut,
http://www.cbo.gov/publication/41463
waged an expensive war
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-03-28/world/38097452_1_iraq -pr ice-tag-first-gulf-war-veterans
and repeatedly voted to raise the debt ceiling with no demands on spending cuts.
2002 vote: http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2002/roll279.xml
2003 vote: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/108-2003/s202
2004 vote: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/108-2004/h536
2006 vote: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/109-2006/s54
2007 vote: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/110-2007/s354
Then When a Democrat was in the Whitehouse, the GOP decided it was worth risking a default to place demands on spending cuts.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/boehner-u-s-will-default-if-ob am a-doesn-t-cave-on-the-debt-limit
Some Republicans are even calling for a default.
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/05/19/173961/nunes-calls-for-d ef ault/
Forgetting that we did default, for a day, in 1979, and it cost us Billions.
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2011-07-10/business/35238255_1_tr ea sury-bills-default-debt-limit
And ignoring what economists are saying could happen if we default
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/17/us-default-markets-conseque nc es_n_901070.html
Some Republicans are even threatening to impeach the president if a default occurs, despite admitting they will not vote to raise the debt ceiling themselves
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/13/louie-gohmert-impeach_n_409 47 07.html
Others are threatening to impeach if the president invokes the 14th Amendment to prevent a default.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/06/tim-scott-impeachment-obama -1 4-amendment-debt_n_891521.html
Does anyone have any questions as to what this is really all about?
Comment by wickedpam on 10/15/2013 15:01:22
how the hell does Reid think this is good?
wickedpam on 10/15/2013 15:01:22
Quote by BobR:Quote by Raine:We told you about the emerging deal in the Senate — now, here’s its House counterpart:
Funding the government at sequestration levels until January 15
Raising the debt limit until February 7
Income verification for recipients of subsidies under Obamacare
Delay of the medical device tax for 2 years
A requirement that all members of Congress and members of the cabinet sign up for Obamacare, with no employer contribution
Ending the ability of the treasury to take ‘extraordinary measures‘ to avoid default in the future
This is a really shitty deal.
how the hell does Reid think this is good?
Comment by Scoopster on 10/15/2013 15:06:05
Scoopster on 10/15/2013 15:06:05
A friend of mine mentioned that the medical device industry is very spread out through the whole country, and that their lobbyists therefore have influence over a great number of Congressmen, both Democrats and Republicans.
The fact that it cuts some of the funding support from the ACA is just a bonus for the GOP.
The fact that it cuts some of the funding support from the ACA is just a bonus for the GOP.
Comment by Raine on 10/15/2013 15:06:29
I'm not sure if the Senate will accept this deal. The house bill has to go back to the senate and I am sure it will be altered.
Raine on 10/15/2013 15:06:29
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by BobR:Quote by Raine:We told you about the emerging deal in the Senate — now, here’s its House counterpart:
Funding the government at sequestration levels until January 15
Raising the debt limit until February 7
Income verification for recipients of subsidies under Obamacare
Delay of the medical device tax for 2 years
A requirement that all members of Congress and members of the cabinet sign up for Obamacare, with no employer contribution
Ending the ability of the treasury to take ‘extraordinary measures‘ to avoid default in the future
This is a really shitty deal.
how the hell does Reid think this is good?
Comment by Raine on 10/15/2013 15:09:22
Raine on 10/15/2013 15:09:22
Quote by Mondobubba:
To remove a sitting president via impeachment requires the Senate to vote to convict the president of the charges brought by the House. Both Bubba and Andrew Johnson were impeached by the House, but the Senate failed to convict.
Nixon saw the writing on the wall and resigned to avoid being impeached and convicted.
(Mondo is done with a tasteful display of that fancy polisci degree)
Comment by Raine on 10/15/2013 15:11:54
Raine on 10/15/2013 15:11:54
Comment by Raine on 10/15/2013 15:12:45
Raine on 10/15/2013 15:12:45
Eric Cantor sounds like he's on speed.
Comment by Raine on 10/15/2013 15:14:00
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Comment by Scoopster on 10/15/2013 15:14:02
Scoopster on 10/15/2013 15:14:02
Is this a live press conference?
Comment by Raine on 10/15/2013 15:14:39
and that's the unconstitutional part they are talking about at Think Progress.
Raine on 10/15/2013 15:14:39
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Comment by Raine on 10/15/2013 15:15:08
Yes.
Do they or do they not sound a little manic?
Raine on 10/15/2013 15:15:08
Quote by Scoopster:
Is this a live press conference?
Yes.
Do they or do they not sound a little manic?
Comment by trojanrabbit on 10/15/2013 15:15:10
trojanrabbit on 10/15/2013 15:15:10
I'm trying to clean up the wall-o-text, but if it's too much I can get rid of it.
Comment by Raine on 10/15/2013 15:16:08
Raine on 10/15/2013 15:16:08
I swear Art from Chicago has to be a made-up character.
Comment by Raine on 10/15/2013 15:16:42
No, keep it. I'm gonna go check it all out later.
Raine on 10/15/2013 15:16:42
Quote by trojanrabbit:
I'm trying to clean up the wall-o-text, but if it's too much I can get rid of it.
Comment by wickedpam on 10/15/2013 15:16:47
wickedpam on 10/15/2013 15:16:47
What the hell is Art talking about?
Comment by Raine on 10/15/2013 15:17:31
Raine on 10/15/2013 15:17:31
White House Rejects House Plan
SHARE The Obama administration is not interested in what House Republicans are offering. “â€The President has said repeatedly that members of Congress don’t get to demand ransom for fulfilling their basic responsibilities to pass a budget and pay the nation’s bills,†Amy Brundage, a spokesperson for the White House, said in a statement. “Unfortunately, the latest proposal from House Republicans does just that in a partisan attempt to appease a small group of Tea Party Republicans who forced the government shutdown in the first place.â€
Comment by Raine on 10/15/2013 15:18:00
I don't know. I feel kinda bad for him right now.
Raine on 10/15/2013 15:18:00
Quote by wickedpam:
What the hell is Art talking about?
Comment by wickedpam on 10/15/2013 15:18:45
he's all over the road
wickedpam on 10/15/2013 15:18:45
Quote by Raine:I don't know. I feel kinda bad for him right now.Quote by wickedpam:
What the hell is Art talking about?
he's all over the road
Comment by Raine on 10/15/2013 15:20:18
Yes. He sounded like he was about to cry. 
Raine on 10/15/2013 15:20:18
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:I don't know. I feel kinda bad for him right now.Quote by wickedpam:
What the hell is Art talking about?
he's all over the road
Comment by trojanrabbit on 10/15/2013 15:22:49
I'm noticing that some of the links have expired. The farker came up with this a couple of days ago and has been edited so it appears some stuff is gone.
trojanrabbit on 10/15/2013 15:22:49
Quote by Raine:No, keep it. I'm gonna go check it all out later.Quote by trojanrabbit:
I'm trying to clean up the wall-o-text, but if it's too much I can get rid of it.
I'm noticing that some of the links have expired. The farker came up with this a couple of days ago and has been edited so it appears some stuff is gone.
Comment by Raine on 10/15/2013 15:24:14
Raine on 10/15/2013 15:24:14
Part of their phucking offer was to take way employer (read: government) contributions for health care. They really are pulling a thelma and louise!
Comment by Raine on 10/15/2013 15:24:52
Good to know, I can do some research on that later.
Raine on 10/15/2013 15:24:52
Quote by trojanrabbit:Quote by Raine:No, keep it. I'm gonna go check it all out later.Quote by trojanrabbit:
I'm trying to clean up the wall-o-text, but if it's too much I can get rid of it.
I'm noticing that some of the links have expired. The farker came up with this a couple of days ago and has been edited so it appears some stuff is gone.
Comment by trojanrabbit on 10/15/2013 15:26:04
trojanrabbit on 10/15/2013 15:26:04
Comment by Raine on 10/15/2013 15:26:50
It should be noted that Congress and POTUS etc., make too much for the ACA Subsidies -- so that means they are going out of the way to hurt regular government employees.
Raine on 10/15/2013 15:26:50
Quote by Raine:
Part of their phucking offer was to take way employer (read: government) contributions for health care. They really are pulling a thelma and louise!
Comment by wickedpam on 10/15/2013 15:27:53
I worry about Art sometimes - he's kinda like the crazy old neighbor that you have to check up on from time to time
wickedpam on 10/15/2013 15:27:53
Quote by Raine:Yes. He sounded like he was about to cry.Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:I don't know. I feel kinda bad for him right now.Quote by wickedpam:
What the hell is Art talking about?
he's all over the road
I worry about Art sometimes - he's kinda like the crazy old neighbor that you have to check up on from time to time
Comment by Raine on 10/15/2013 15:31:56
I agree. He says horrible things but he's old. A little like my Opa was.
Sigh.
Today is the 25 anniversary of his passing.
Raine on 10/15/2013 15:31:56
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:Yes. He sounded like he was about to cry.Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:I don't know. I feel kinda bad for him right now.Quote by wickedpam:
What the hell is Art talking about?
he's all over the road
I worry about Art sometimes - he's kinda like the crazy old neighbor that you have to check up on from time to time
Sigh.
Today is the 25 anniversary of his passing.
Comment by Raine on 10/15/2013 15:34:49
Raine on 10/15/2013 15:34:49
This story gave me chills -- and the Tea Party should take heed:
Bloomberg isn't exactly known as a bastion of leaning Left wing.
Reneging on its debt obligations would make the U.S. the first major Western government to default since Nazi Germany 80 years ago.
Germany unilaterally ceased payments on long-term borrowings on May 6, 1933, three months after Adolf Hitler was installed as Chancellor. The default helped cement Hitler’s power base following years of political instability as the Weimar Republic struggled with its crushing debts.
Bloomberg isn't exactly known as a bastion of leaning Left wing.
Comment by wickedpam on 10/15/2013 15:36:36
wickedpam on 10/15/2013 15:36:36
Quote by Raine:I agree. He says horrible things but he's old. A little like my Opa was.Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:Yes. He sounded like he was about to cry.Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:I don't know. I feel kinda bad for him right now.Quote by wickedpam:
What the hell is Art talking about?
he's all over the road
I worry about Art sometimes - he's kinda like the crazy old neighbor that you have to check up on from time to time
Sigh.
Today is the 25 anniversary of his passing.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/15/2013 15:45:46
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Mondobubba on 10/15/2013 15:45:46
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Comment by Raine on 10/15/2013 15:56:05
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Comment by TriSec on 10/15/2013 16:23:26
TriSec on 10/15/2013 16:23:26
Does the GOP not realize that if we default, and in turn crash the world economy, that it's over? China becomes the next superpower.
Oh, I forgot. The President is still black. My bad.
Oh, I forgot. The President is still black. My bad.
Comment by Raine on 10/15/2013 16:36:26
China is currently advocating that the world turn away from the Dollar as global currency.
(posted that link yesterday I believe)
Raine on 10/15/2013 16:36:26
Quote by TriSec:
Does the GOP not realize that if we default, and in turn crash the world economy, that it's over? China becomes the next superpower.
Oh, I forgot. The President is still black. My bad.
(posted that link yesterday I believe)
Comment by 
clintster on 10/15/2013 16:52:22
I just posted this to my FB as a note. I took a moment to clean up typos and removed the YouTube videos, but if anyone wants to share it from there, please feel free.
clintster on 10/15/2013 16:52:22
Quote by trojanrabbit:
Someone at Fark came up with this. I think it's damn brilliant.
Clipped for scroll brevity
I just posted this to my FB as a note. I took a moment to clean up typos and removed the YouTube videos, but if anyone wants to share it from there, please feel free.
Comment by Raine on 10/15/2013 16:52:29
Raine on 10/15/2013 16:52:29
Senate talks to open government have come to a halt -- they Senate GOP is waiting to see if the house can pass it bill.
JUBUS H CHRIST. The Teabaggers are really trying to overthrow the government.
JUBUS H CHRIST. The Teabaggers are really trying to overthrow the government.
Comment by Raine on 10/15/2013 16:55:07
Awesome! You and Rabbit rawk!
Raine on 10/15/2013 16:55:07
Quote by clintster:Quote by trojanrabbit:
Someone at Fark came up with this. I think it's damn brilliant.
Clipped for scroll brevity
I just posted this to my FB as a note. I took a moment to clean up typos and removed the YouTube videos, but if anyone wants to share it from there, please feel free.
Comment by clintster on 10/15/2013 16:57:35
clintster on 10/15/2013 16:57:35
Oh ho ho Laura Ingraham. Can you be any more douchey?
Comment by trojanrabbit on 10/15/2013 17:02:36
Thanks, Clintster
trojanrabbit on 10/15/2013 17:02:36
Quote by clintster:Quote by trojanrabbit:
Someone at Fark came up with this. I think it's damn brilliant.
Clipped for scroll brevity
I just posted this to my FB as a note. I took a moment to clean up typos and removed the YouTube videos, but if anyone wants to share it from there, please feel free.
Thanks, Clintster
Comment by Scoopster on 10/15/2013 17:02:51
Scoopster on 10/15/2013 17:02:51
AAARGH.. what's the damn term for when some idiot dumps so many shitty things on you at once that you can't keep up with them, let alone any stuff they're pushing while you're still processing all that?
Comment by TriSec on 10/15/2013 17:24:16
It's called "GOP Campaigning".
TriSec on 10/15/2013 17:24:16
Quote by Scoopster:
AAARGH.. what's the damn term for when some idiot dumps so many shitty things on you at once that you can't keep up with them, let alone any stuff they're pushing while you're still processing all that?
It's called "GOP Campaigning".
Comment by 
livingonli on 10/15/2013 18:09:40
Can you post the Fark link?
livingonli on 10/15/2013 18:09:40
Quote by trojanrabbit:
Someone at Fark came up with this. I think it's damn brilliant.
here is an updated version of the factsheet, I put together.
Feel Free to share. I am not worried about "credit."
Spoecial thanks to "COMALite J" for some extra special detail goodness.
Historical Facts about the Current Government Shutdown and Impending Default with Citations
In January of 1989 (While Reagan was still president) the republicans published a paper outlining a healthcar overhaul plan that included much of what is in todays Affordable Care and Patient Protection Act, also known as Obamacare
http://thf_media.s3.amazonaws.com/1989/pdf/ci_0891950494.pdf,
In October of 1989, they expanded the paper into a book
http://www.heritage.org/research/lecture/assuring-affordable-health- ca re-for-all-americans and http://thf_media.s3.amazonaws.com/1989/pdf/hl218.pdf
This was created more than 4 years before anyone even heard of Bill and Hillary Clinton,
http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2012/02/07/the-tortuous-co ns ervative-history-of-the-individual-mandate/
They pushed for this plan over the course of 2 decades, and they even supported this plan as late as 2008
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthy_Americans_Act
Then When the democrats agreed to adopt this plan, the GOP suddenly (and at that point only) decided the plan was unconstitutional and posed a grave threat to the nation. And refused to support any aspect of it
They sued in the supreme court but lost
http://www.scribd.com/doc/98544934/Supreme-Court-upholds-Affordable- Ca re-Act
They ran presidential candidate who opposed the Affordable Care Act even though he had passed a nearly identical law in the State of Massachusetts
http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2011/10/20/how-a-conservat iv e-think-tank-invented-the-individual-mandate/
Obama was re-elected with the Affordable Care Act being a center piece of the election
http://www.politico.com/2012-election/map/
Republicans opposed the ACA because it hate elements that violated their Christian Faith
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/judge-rejects-states-lawsuit-challen gi ng-obamacare-contraception-mandate
While a Harvard study concluded that as many as 45,000 Americans die each year due to lack of health care coverage
http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2009/09/new-study-finds-45000- de aths-annually-linked-to-lack-of-health-coverage/
Which is something some republicans have openly admitted to finding acceptable.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/the_big_idea/2011/09 /l et_him_die.html
and
Deciding that the Affordable Care Act was a serious threat to the nation, the GOP engineered a strategy of threatening a Government Shutdown to protest the Affordable Care Act.
To pull this off The Republicans strategized how to engineer the shutdown, and how to handle the spin
http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2013/10/05/federal-budget-cri si s-months-planning/bhA7OHhAIBvNNincmzdtjJ/story.html
80 members of congress signed a letter to force the shutdown.
http://www.freedomworks.org/blog/jwithrow/does-your-senator-stand-wi th -mike-lee-against-obam
They said a shutdown would not be a bad thing
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/07/30/ted- cr uz-government-shutdown-wouldnt-be-so-bad/
They celebrated when it happened
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/republicans-shut-down-the- go vernment-but-they-cant-stop-obamacare-20131001
The House Republicans changed a long standing House Rule at the last minute to ensure the shutdown would stay in effect:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/the-house-gop-s-little-rule-change-t ha t-guaranteed-a-shutdown
When challenged about this, the republicans would not address the issue.
All the while They accused the Democrats and Obama of not negotiating, even though the democrats tried repeatedly to negotiate
http://www.nationaljournal.com/congress/19-times-democrats-tried-to- ne gotiate-with-republicans-20131007?mrefid=mostread
Which should not have been necessary since Harry Reid and John Boehner had a deal, that Boehner backed out of.
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/326425-reid-boehner-backed-out-of -d eal
And despite all of this, The Republicans attempted blame Obama for the Shutdown
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/topoftheticket/la-na-tt-republicans-b la me-obama-20131006,0,2739790.story
Some Republicans attempted to hide behind our veterans to blame the president
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/10/13/million-vet-march-storms-d -c -war-memorials/
and
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57605861/republicans-investigati ng -monument-closures-during-shutdown/
Despite the fact that sent American soldiers into a war
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2002/roll455.xml
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/107-2002/s237
That caused 4400 American soldiers to die
http://icasualties.org/Iraq/index.aspx
and more than 30,000 to be wounded
http://icasualties.org/Iraq/USCasualtiesByState.aspx
for no reason what so ever
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/7634313/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/t/c ia s-final-report-no-wmd-found-iraq/
But now that they think they can make some political gains, they suddenly want to support the troops
http://www.politicususa.com/2013/10/13/million-vet-march-organizers- co ndemn-sarah-palin-ted-cruz-tea-party.html
Other republicans admitted they have no idea what the shutdown was about.
http://www.salon.com/2013/10/03/gop_congressman_were_not_going_to_be _d isrespected/
Some openly admitted the shutdown was about "pride"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/05/dennis-ross-government-shut do wn_n_4050231.html?ref=topbar
The Irony is that the shutdown improved the popularity of Obamacare
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2013/10/11/boomerang-poll-reve al s-gops-government-shutdown-bolstered-obamacare-popularity-by-20/
Which had always been more popular when not called Obamacare
http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2013/09/29/obamacare-affordabl e- care-act-obama-column/2892183/
which is more popular than the Republican led Congress
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-10-09/politics/42838288_1_h ous e-republicans-shutdown-senate-democrats
And when their strategy failed to gain support of the public
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/327161-poll-65-perc en t-oppose-tying-obamacare-to-shutdown-debt-ceiling-fights
They Decided that the shutdown fight was no longer about the Affordable Care act, but now spending and the debt
http://news.yahoo.com/republicans-see-shutdown-fight-shift-away-oba mac are-215949746.html
Meanwhile In 2001, The GOP President and GOP Congress
Inherited a projected budget surplus and a projected elimination of the entire debt within 10 years.
http://clinton4.nara.gov/WH/new/html/Fri_Dec_29_151111_2000.html
The GOP then passed a tax cut,
http://www.cbo.gov/publication/41463
waged an expensive war
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-03-28/world/38097452_1_iraq -pr ice-tag-first-gulf-war-veterans
and repeatedly voted to raise the debt ceiling with no demands on spending cuts.
2002 vote: http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2002/roll279.xml
2003 vote: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/108-2003/s202
2004 vote: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/108-2004/h536
2006 vote: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/109-2006/s54
2007 vote: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/110-2007/s354
Then When a Democrat was in the Whitehouse, the GOP decided it was worth risking a default to place demands on spending cuts.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/boehner-u-s-will-default-if-ob am a-doesn-t-cave-on-the-debt-limit
Some Republicans are even calling for a default.
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/05/19/173961/nunes-calls-for-d ef ault/
Forgetting that we did default, for a day, in 1979, and it cost us Billions.
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2011-07-10/business/35238255_1_tr ea sury-bills-default-debt-limit
And ignoring what economists are saying could happen if we default
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/17/us-default-markets-conseque nc es_n_901070.html
Some Republicans are even threatening to impeach the president if a default occurs, despite admitting they will not vote to raise the debt ceiling themselves
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/13/louie-gohmert-impeach_n_409 47 07.html
Others are threatening to impeach if the president invokes the 14th Amendment to prevent a default.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/06/tim-scott-impeachment-obama -1 4-amendment-debt_n_891521.html
Does anyone have any questions as to what this is really all about?
Can you post the Fark link?
Comment by Raine on 10/15/2013 18:14:41
Well played!
Raine on 10/15/2013 18:14:41
Quote by TriSec:Quote by Scoopster:
AAARGH.. what's the damn term for when some idiot dumps so many shitty things on you at once that you can't keep up with them, let alone any stuff they're pushing while you're still processing all that?
It's called "GOP Campaigning".
Well played!
Comment by Raine on 10/15/2013 18:15:55
Keerist, I wish I were there.
Raine on 10/15/2013 18:15:55
Quote by clintster:
Oh ho ho Laura Ingraham. Can you be any more douchey?
Comment by Scoopster on 10/15/2013 18:17:47
Indeed!
Seriously tho.. it's named after some religious asshat I can't friggin' remember what it's called!
Scoopster on 10/15/2013 18:17:47
Quote by Raine:Quote by TriSec:Quote by Scoopster:
AAARGH.. what's the damn term for when some idiot dumps so many shitty things on you at once that you can't keep up with them, let alone any stuff they're pushing while you're still processing all that?
It's called "GOP Campaigning".
Well played!
Indeed!Seriously tho.. it's named after some religious asshat I can't friggin' remember what it's called!
Comment by livingonli on 10/15/2013 18:19:01
livingonli on 10/15/2013 18:19:01
I think I need sleep aids because I increasingly have trouble falling asleep at night because I end up staying up so late. The GOP have really become the new home of the Confederacy because they don't like the black man in the White House. And it gets increasingly hard to argue with the people who live in the fact-free bubble and I think I would have used them adding the Blaze as a good reason to drop Cablevision since they are now contributing to disinformation.
Comment by Raine on 10/15/2013 18:24:48
Raine on 10/15/2013 18:24:48
Damn -- this is just another thing that pisses me off.
The WH Garden is a rotted wreck due to the shutdown.
The WH Garden is a rotted wreck due to the shutdown.
Comment by trojanrabbit on 10/15/2013 18:34:17
trojanrabbit on 10/15/2013 18:34:17
Liv
Here's a link to that Fark thread. That post is in there.
Also clintster and I have it on our FB pages (minus the YouTube stuff)
Here's a link to that Fark thread. That post is in there.
Also clintster and I have it on our FB pages (minus the YouTube stuff)
Comment by Raine on 10/15/2013 18:35:23
Take comfort in this:
Freedom works -- a backer of the blaze is pretty much out of money.
Raine on 10/15/2013 18:35:23
Quote by livingonli:
I think I need sleep aids because I increasingly have trouble falling asleep at night because I end up staying up so late. The GOP have really become the new home of the Confederacy because they don't like the black man in the White House. And it gets increasingly hard to argue with the people who live in the fact-free bubble and I think I would have used them adding the Blaze as a good reason to drop Cablevision since they are now contributing to disinformation.
Freedom works -- a backer of the blaze is pretty much out of money.
Comment by Raine on 10/15/2013 18:47:47
Raine on 10/15/2013 18:47:47
Oh man... I gotta give the guy some ball points:
A sort of odd moment unfolded during today’s White House press briefing, when reporter Tommy Christopher of Mediaite told spokesman Jay Carney a story about how he suffered a heart attack a few years ago. He was uninsured then and has been since.
“Is there a chance,†he asked, “the president would be willing to delay Obamacare for a year if Republicans were to agree to delay heart attacks for a year?â€
Watch it:
Christopher followed up Carney’s answer by saying “for what it’s worth, I was able to enroll in the exchanges about a week and a half ago.â€
Comment by Raine on 10/15/2013 18:50:48
Raine on 10/15/2013 18:50:48
I suspect Helen Thomas would be proud of Tommy Christopher.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/15/2013 18:53:23
From the Fark thread:
Mondobubba on 10/15/2013 18:53:23
Quote by trojanrabbit:
Liv
Here's a link to that Fark thread. That post is in there.
Also clintster and I have it on our FB pages (minus the YouTube stuff)
From the Fark thread:
quatchi: /Oh, in point of fat, Subs, yes, Cruz is a sekret Canadian and yes, he is an idiot but NO, nobody up here misses the crazy sumbiatch one bit.
I'm starting to seriously consider the option that he is a secret Canadanian agent, sent here to destroy the US government from within, while the great white north prepares an army of Mounties to invade while we're in chaos.
Very clever, Canada.
Comment by Raine on 10/15/2013 19:07:06
Raine on 10/15/2013 19:07:06
Y'all realize that this is about the ugliest season of Survivor ever, right? I wish Ted Cruz a healthy condition of syphilis. Someone needs to kick that asshole in the junk. They should have done it back in Princeton.
Before they walked into the 9 a.m. House Republican conference meeting Tuesday morning, House conservatives complained to Costa. One Tea Party congressman called the Senate plan a "mushy piece of s—." Another said that if House Speaker John Boehner backs the deal, "he's in trouble."
"That seems to be an oxymoron. 'Senate,' then 'plan,'" said Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas).
The opposition to the Senate plan is not really a surprise. House Republicans en masse won't be thrilled that the only thing they're "getting" out of this is an income-verification measure for people obtaining subsidies through the Affordable Care Act. It's not a policy victory with which they can go home to their constituents after a more than two-week shutdown.
According to Roll Call, about 15-20 House conservatives met in secret with Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) Monday night at the Capitol Hill watering hole Tortilla Coast, where they plotted how to respond to the Senate deal. Given the reactions from House conservatives Tuesday, it's likely that they discussed how to hold firm on their opposition to any deal that does not fundamentally alter Obamacare.
And it appears that House leadership is not yet ready to give in to the Senate plan.
Comment by trojanrabbit on 10/15/2013 19:10:51
I believe I mentioned in that thread that it's more likely that there are people in Havana wondering when Rafael Bienvenido Cruz's son was going to start working for them.
trojanrabbit on 10/15/2013 19:10:51
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by trojanrabbit:
Liv
Here's a link to that Fark thread. That post is in there.
Also clintster and I have it on our FB pages (minus the YouTube stuff)
From the Fark thread:quatchi: /Oh, in point of fat, Subs, yes, Cruz is a sekret Canadian and yes, he is an idiot but NO, nobody up here misses the crazy sumbiatch one bit.
I'm starting to seriously consider the option that he is a secret Canadanian agent, sent here to destroy the US government from within, while the great white north prepares an army of Mounties to invade while we're in chaos.
Very clever, Canada.
I believe I mentioned in that thread that it's more likely that there are people in Havana wondering when Rafael Bienvenido Cruz's son was going to start working for them.
Comment by TriSec on 10/15/2013 19:13:23
TriSec on 10/15/2013 19:13:23
I'm giving up.
It's time to party like it's 1999.
Then I shall go home and eat and drink and make merry, for tomorrow we die!
It's time to party like it's 1999.
Then I shall go home and eat and drink and make merry, for tomorrow we die!
Comment by Raine on 10/15/2013 19:27:03
Raine on 10/15/2013 19:27:03
Damn -- I miss Saying Madame Speaker Pelosi.
I do hope come 2014, we can say Mister Speaker Hoyer.
I do hope come 2014, we can say Mister Speaker Hoyer.
Comment by Raine on 10/15/2013 19:28:14
I'm eating fried chicken. and corn.
Raine on 10/15/2013 19:28:14
Quote by TriSec:
I'm giving up.
It's time to party like it's 1999.
Then I shall go home and eat and drink and make merry, for tomorrow we die!
Comment by TriSec on 10/15/2013 20:18:37
TriSec on 10/15/2013 20:18:37
And now it's time for BASEBALL!!
Comment by trojanrabbit on 10/15/2013 20:22:11
I feel my throat becoming constricted.
trojanrabbit on 10/15/2013 20:22:11
Quote by TriSec:
And now it's time for BASEBALL!!
I feel my throat becoming constricted.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/15/2013 20:36:13
If I were the Boner, I would having a come to Jesus Meeting with those clowns.
On the Agenda:
1. Ted Cruz is in the Senate not the House. He's not your boss I AM!
2. If you want anything done in your districts and I mean ANYTHING like having a post office renamed of a federal building renamed, it isn't going to happen. Any bill you might propose isn't going to get added to the agenda of any committee unless you all sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up and let the adults do their fucking jobs! This means you too Bachmann. BOOM! :mike drop:
Get the fuck out of my office, turds.
Mondobubba on 10/15/2013 20:36:13
Quote by Raine:
Y'all realize that this is about the ugliest season of Survivor ever, right? I wish Ted Cruz a healthy condition of syphilis.Someone needs to kick that asshole in the junk. They should have done it back in Princeton.Before they walked into the 9 a.m. House Republican conference meeting Tuesday morning, House conservatives complained to Costa. One Tea Party congressman called the Senate plan a "mushy piece of s—." Another said that if House Speaker John Boehner backs the deal, "he's in trouble."
"That seems to be an oxymoron. 'Senate,' then 'plan,'" said Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas).
The opposition to the Senate plan is not really a surprise. House Republicans en masse won't be thrilled that the only thing they're "getting" out of this is an income-verification measure for people obtaining subsidies through the Affordable Care Act. It's not a policy victory with which they can go home to their constituents after a more than two-week shutdown.
According to Roll Call, about 15-20 House conservatives met in secret with Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) Monday night at the Capitol Hill watering hole Tortilla Coast, where they plotted how to respond to the Senate deal. Given the reactions from House conservatives Tuesday, it's likely that they discussed how to hold firm on their opposition to any deal that does not fundamentally alter Obamacare.
And it appears that House leadership is not yet ready to give in to the Senate plan.
If I were the Boner, I would having a come to Jesus Meeting with those clowns.
On the Agenda:
1. Ted Cruz is in the Senate not the House. He's not your boss I AM!
2. If you want anything done in your districts and I mean ANYTHING like having a post office renamed of a federal building renamed, it isn't going to happen. Any bill you might propose isn't going to get added to the agenda of any committee unless you all sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up and let the adults do their fucking jobs! This means you too Bachmann. BOOM! :mike drop:
Get the fuck out of my office, turds.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/15/2013 21:10:29
Damn! Ted Cruz looks strikingly like Joe McCarthy in the 3rd picture in the gallery. I will have to tell a friend of mine who looks like Cruz that. it will make is fuzzy social-democrat heart beat that much faster.
Mondobubba on 10/15/2013 21:10:29
Quote by BobR:
LOL - Marco Rubio's incredible vanishing act
Damn! Ted Cruz looks strikingly like Joe McCarthy in the 3rd picture in the gallery. I will have to tell a friend of mine who looks like Cruz that. it will make is fuzzy social-democrat heart beat that much faster.
Comment by Raine on 10/15/2013 21:27:06
Raine on 10/15/2013 21:27:06
Quote by Raine:
Oh Glenn...
Buzzfeed’s Ben Smith reported today that Glenn Greenwald is leaving The Guardian to launch his own “large-scale, broadly-focused media outlet.†The ironic part? Someone leaked the story to Buzzfeed. I’m not making that up.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/15/2013 21:40:11
Mondobubba on 10/15/2013 21:40:11
Quote by Raine:Quote by Raine:
Oh Glenn...Buzzfeed’s Ben Smith reported today that Glenn Greenwald is leaving The Guardian to launch his own “large-scale, broadly-focused media outlet.†The ironic part? Someone leaked the story to Buzzfeed. I’m not making that up.
Comment by Raine on 10/15/2013 21:49:17
I knew you of everyone I know, would appreciate this in such a way, Mondo.
Raine on 10/15/2013 21:49:17
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:Quote by Raine:
Oh Glenn...Buzzfeed’s Ben Smith reported today that Glenn Greenwald is leaving The Guardian to launch his own “large-scale, broadly-focused media outlet.†The ironic part? Someone leaked the story to Buzzfeed. I’m not making that up.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/15/2013 21:56:09
Bob Cesca please don't ever stop being a snarky bastard!
Mondobubba on 10/15/2013 21:56:09
Quote by Raine:I knew you of everyone I know, would appreciate this in such a way, Mondo.Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:Quote by Raine:
Oh Glenn...Buzzfeed’s Ben Smith reported today that Glenn Greenwald is leaving The Guardian to launch his own “large-scale, broadly-focused media outlet.†The ironic part? Someone leaked the story to Buzzfeed. I’m not making that up.
Bob Cesca please don't ever stop being a snarky bastard!
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/15/2013 21:58:29
Mondobubba on 10/15/2013 21:58:29
Comment by Scoopster on 10/15/2013 22:05:47
Scoopster on 10/15/2013 22:05:47
What in the fuck?!!!? 
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/15/2013 22:05:55
Mondobubba on 10/15/2013 22:05:55
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/15/2013 22:06:25
That is not a look.
Mondobubba on 10/15/2013 22:06:25
Quote by Scoopster:
What in the fuck?!!!?
That is not a look.
Comment by livingonli on 10/15/2013 22:31:14
So, he wants to do his own version of the Blaze because that's working so well. Someone should tell him unless he's the NFL, a new network cannot get launched on many affiliates unless it is owned by the MSO's and major programmers and even they are now forced to launch new networks off the corpses of existing services like Esquire, Fox Sports 1 and 2, and FXX.
livingonli on 10/15/2013 22:31:14
Quote by Raine:I knew you of everyone I know, would appreciate this in such a way, Mondo.Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:Quote by Raine:
Oh Glenn...Buzzfeed’s Ben Smith reported today that Glenn Greenwald is leaving The Guardian to launch his own “large-scale, broadly-focused media outlet.†The ironic part? Someone leaked the story to Buzzfeed. I’m not making that up.
So, he wants to do his own version of the Blaze because that's working so well. Someone should tell him unless he's the NFL, a new network cannot get launched on many affiliates unless it is owned by the MSO's and major programmers and even they are now forced to launch new networks off the corpses of existing services like Esquire, Fox Sports 1 and 2, and FXX.
Comment by Raine on 10/15/2013 22:46:32
I would love to know who is funding this.
Someone is backing him.
*cough* Russia *cough*
Raine on 10/15/2013 22:46:32
Quote by livingonli:
So, he wants to do his own version of the Blaze because that's working so well. Someone should tell him unless he's the NFL, a new network cannot get launched on many affiliates unless it is owned by the MSO's and major programmers and even they are now forced to launch new networks off the corpses of existing services like Esquire, Fox Sports 1 and 2, and FXX.
Someone is backing him.
*cough* Russia *cough*
Comment by Raine on 10/15/2013 22:52:23
Raine on 10/15/2013 22:52:23
Livin -- keep in mind the Blaze was funded by these folks...
Some more goodness: I don;t know why Cablevision picked up the Blaze -- but I don't think it was a very good investment.
Interesting times.
Some more goodness:
Some former employees also questioned the value in FreedomWorks’ sponsorship of Glenn Beck’s network The Blaze, which one source said cost the organization $1 million last year. (A spokesperson for Beck declined to comment on the specifics of the arrangement.)
FreedomWorks’ money problems culminated in taking out a $1 million line of credit earlier this year. BuzzFeed obtained a text message between two employees confirming that the money had been borrowed, which one employee describes in the exchange as a “line of credit to have extra cash as I understand it.â€
Interesting times.
Comment by Raine on 10/15/2013 22:55:18
What is this?
is it a furry dude?
No. Just No.
Raine on 10/15/2013 22:55:18
Quote by Scoopster:
What in the fuck?!!!?
is it a furry dude?
No. Just No.
Comment by trojanrabbit on 10/15/2013 22:56:38
Apparently the same clowns who greased the skids at Cablevision to get the Blaze also got the Blaze positioned at #2 of the news channels on my Roku. Just below Fucks News.
Can I wish that the Blaze accidentally ignites Glennie.
The only good Republican is a dead one.
trojanrabbit on 10/15/2013 22:56:38
Quote by Raine:
Livin -- keep in mind the Blaze was funded by these folks...
Some more goodness:I don;t know why Cablevision picked up the Blaze -- but I don't think it was a very good investment.Some former employees also questioned the value in FreedomWorks’ sponsorship of Glenn Beck’s network The Blaze, which one source said cost the organization $1 million last year. (A spokesperson for Beck declined to comment on the specifics of the arrangement.)
FreedomWorks’ money problems culminated in taking out a $1 million line of credit earlier this year. BuzzFeed obtained a text message between two employees confirming that the money had been borrowed, which one employee describes in the exchange as a “line of credit to have extra cash as I understand it.â€
Interesting times.
Apparently the same clowns who greased the skids at Cablevision to get the Blaze also got the Blaze positioned at #2 of the news channels on my Roku. Just below Fucks News.
Can I wish that the Blaze accidentally ignites Glennie.
The only good Republican is a dead one.
Comment by livingonli on 10/15/2013 23:06:05
Strangely enough on Cablevision, the Blaze isn't even clustered with the News Channels in the 100's which would put it with EuroNews, BBC World, Bloomberg, and Fox Business. It's actually next to Nat Geo Wild.
livingonli on 10/15/2013 23:06:05
Quote by trojanrabbit:Quote by Raine:
Livin -- keep in mind the Blaze was funded by these folks...
Some more goodness:I don;t know why Cablevision picked up the Blaze -- but I don't think it was a very good investment.Some former employees also questioned the value in FreedomWorks’ sponsorship of Glenn Beck’s network The Blaze, which one source said cost the organization $1 million last year. (A spokesperson for Beck declined to comment on the specifics of the arrangement.)
FreedomWorks’ money problems culminated in taking out a $1 million line of credit earlier this year. BuzzFeed obtained a text message between two employees confirming that the money had been borrowed, which one employee describes in the exchange as a “line of credit to have extra cash as I understand it.â€
Interesting times.
Apparently the same clowns who greased the skids at Cablevision to get the Blaze also got the Blaze positioned at #2 of the news channels on my Roku. Just below Fucks News.
Can I wish that the Blaze accidentally ignites Glennie.
The only good Republican is a dead one.
Strangely enough on Cablevision, the Blaze isn't even clustered with the News Channels in the 100's which would put it with EuroNews, BBC World, Bloomberg, and Fox Business. It's actually next to Nat Geo Wild.