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Who gets to live and who gets to die?
Author: Raine
Date: 07/10/2008 12:32:12
"Give us your poor, your tired, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free..."
Just don't expect us to let them live. Yesterday, I mentioned a story about a 15 year old boy. The Hospital 'determined the boy's unstable living conditions make him a poor candidate for a transplant...'
Are 15 year olds with stable living conditions more deserving of medical treatment? What teenager is stable? Who can guarantee any stability in their own life for the next 6 months... never mind 2 years? The DCF is trying to get this boy, a human being, btw, into another hospital and back on the donor list. He is in the advanced stages of liver disease.
He is a foster child. His life, I assume has been insane, his mom was a crack addict. Now because a hospital deems him not worthy, they basically decided he should die. This is your America. An America where our health care system decides who deserves medical care and who doesn't based up some arbitrary system of the haves and the have nots. Never mind, that as a ward of the state he would be covered by medicare... People who need transplants are sick. From the article:
What I want to know... Where are all of those GOP politicians that were more than happy to "save" Terry Shiavo? Where is Mel Martinez? Where is Bill Frist? Santorum? Where is our beloved leader, who flew in to sign the Palm Sunday Compromise? Oh, yeah. Silly me, it's not so politically expedient these days, I guess, to ensure a child has the right to life -- or liberty or the pursuit of happiness...
Like all of the unfortunate members of society, it seems as tho this boy is just not politically convenient. Too bad, because I thought living was a basic human right. I hope that Jackson Memorial Hospital will do for this boy what Shands did not, base the case on medical facts, and not because of the 'could be's' surrounding his prior and future life.
Today the news cycle will be filled with the sad and tragic case of JonBenet. I doubt anyone will talk about a poor foster kid from Florida, it just isn't convenient.
:peace: and :heart:
Raine
Edit to Add:
Ted Kennedy came to DC save Medicare yesterday. This man showed up. This man cares for the poor, the tired, and the huddled masses yearning to breathe free.
Just don't expect us to let them live. Yesterday, I mentioned a story about a 15 year old boy. The Hospital 'determined the boy's unstable living conditions make him a poor candidate for a transplant...'
Are 15 year olds with stable living conditions more deserving of medical treatment? What teenager is stable? Who can guarantee any stability in their own life for the next 6 months... never mind 2 years? The DCF is trying to get this boy, a human being, btw, into another hospital and back on the donor list. He is in the advanced stages of liver disease.
He is a foster child. His life, I assume has been insane, his mom was a crack addict. Now because a hospital deems him not worthy, they basically decided he should die. This is your America. An America where our health care system decides who deserves medical care and who doesn't based up some arbitrary system of the haves and the have nots. Never mind, that as a ward of the state he would be covered by medicare... People who need transplants are sick. From the article:
...it is unreasonable to require the state to guarantee the boy will be in a permanent home for at least two years, given that even children who are not in foster care can't make such guarantees. ''That is a bar a little too high,'' Caplan said.
Transplant teams routinely accept pledges from recovering alcoholics that they will never drink again after accepting a donated liver, or promises that smokers will quit smoking once they receive a new heart, Caplan said. Why should a foster child be required to do more than that? he asked.
''It is absolutely unethical to deny a transplant to a child because you don't have a home setting that is stable or parents who can help with compliance with the treatment,'' Caplan said. ``That's why you have child-caring agencies and foster care. That's what child welfare should be doing.''
What I want to know... Where are all of those GOP politicians that were more than happy to "save" Terry Shiavo? Where is Mel Martinez? Where is Bill Frist? Santorum? Where is our beloved leader, who flew in to sign the Palm Sunday Compromise? Oh, yeah. Silly me, it's not so politically expedient these days, I guess, to ensure a child has the right to life -- or liberty or the pursuit of happiness...
Like all of the unfortunate members of society, it seems as tho this boy is just not politically convenient. Too bad, because I thought living was a basic human right. I hope that Jackson Memorial Hospital will do for this boy what Shands did not, base the case on medical facts, and not because of the 'could be's' surrounding his prior and future life.
Today the news cycle will be filled with the sad and tragic case of JonBenet. I doubt anyone will talk about a poor foster kid from Florida, it just isn't convenient.
:peace: and :heart:
Raine
Edit to Add:
Ted Kennedy came to DC save Medicare yesterday. This man showed up. This man cares for the poor, the tired, and the huddled masses yearning to breathe free.
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Comment by 
wickedpam on 07/10/2008 12:39:29
wickedpam on 07/10/2008 12:39:29
Morning. :hug:
As usual ya'll do a stellar job with the opening blog.
WHo's gonna care about a poor sick kid when there's a murdered little girl from 10 years ago taking up the news.
As usual ya'll do a stellar job with the opening blog.
WHo's gonna care about a poor sick kid when there's a murdered little girl from 10 years ago taking up the news.
Comment by 
Mondobubba on 07/10/2008 12:44:00
Mondobubba on 07/10/2008 12:44:00
Second. Doctor's appointment. I will be going now. See you all later this evening! :hug:
Comment by 
m-hadley on 07/10/2008 12:45:33
m-hadley on 07/10/2008 12:45:33
Mornin' Raine & Mala,
Excellent post this morning Raine, made me think of the video that I saw sometime in the last week of a woman dying on the floor of a mental hospital's ER. It was heartbreaking. Our health care system is so f*cked up. And then there is FISA - I am for the time being holding off on giving any more money to Obama - in spite of the gruesome alternative :(
Cheers,
mfaye
:hug: :peace:
Excellent post this morning Raine, made me think of the video that I saw sometime in the last week of a woman dying on the floor of a mental hospital's ER. It was heartbreaking. Our health care system is so f*cked up. And then there is FISA - I am for the time being holding off on giving any more money to Obama - in spite of the gruesome alternative :(
Cheers,
mfaye
:hug: :peace:
Comment by m-hadley on 07/10/2008 12:46:31
m-hadley on 07/10/2008 12:46:31
Hope it goes well Mondo - take care and see you later, gator.
Cheers,
mfaye
:hug:
Cheers,
mfaye
:hug:
Comment by 
capt on 07/10/2008 12:53:47
capt on 07/10/2008 12:53:47
Good morning all!
Good luck at the dr's Mondo (all will be well)
Good luck at the dr's Mondo (all will be well)
Comment by 
TriSec on 07/10/2008 12:54:33
TriSec on 07/10/2008 12:54:33
:kickcan:
Raine, you make me sorry to work in the healthcare industry...
Fortunately, I came to the 'light side of The Force' about 5 years ago now. I did work for the payors, and an HMO at that, for a very long time.
Raine, you make me sorry to work in the healthcare industry...
Fortunately, I came to the 'light side of The Force' about 5 years ago now. I did work for the payors, and an HMO at that, for a very long time.
Comment by 
Raine on 07/10/2008 12:56:13
Raine on 07/10/2008 12:56:13
Note, I edited the blog. Ted Kennedy makes me proud to be a member of the party.
Comment by 
Random on 07/10/2008 12:58:25
Random on 07/10/2008 12:58:25
Random™ has returned.
Comment by Raine on 07/10/2008 13:01:48
Raine on 07/10/2008 13:01:48
Welcome back Random™!
Comment by Random on 07/10/2008 13:02:48
Random on 07/10/2008 13:02:48
Hello Raine.
I wish i knew how to change my name...love to have that lil ™ on my name.
I wish i knew how to change my name...love to have that lil ™ on my name.
Comment by Raine on 07/10/2008 13:05:51
When our code monkey gets here, maybe he can do something about it.
it is funny.
Raine on 07/10/2008 13:05:51
Quote by Random:
Hello Raine.
I wish i knew how to change my name...love to have that lil ™ on my name.
When our code monkey gets here, maybe he can do something about it.
it is funny.
Comment by Random on 07/10/2008 13:07:55
Cool, that would be great.
Random on 07/10/2008 13:07:55
Quote by Raine:Quote by Random:
Hello Raine.
I wish i knew how to change my name...love to have that lil ™ on my name.
When our code monkey gets here, maybe he can do something about it.
Cool, that would be great.
Comment by Raine on 07/10/2008 13:07:59
What I don't get is the randomness of why they took the kid off the list. Shands is a teaching hospital... Makes no sense. Isn't this why we have medicare?
Ted Kennedy makes me weep with joy, btw. I had to add that story when I heard about it this morning. He broke a filibuster, and once he did... 8 republicans switched sides.
Raine on 07/10/2008 13:07:59
Quote by TriSec:
:kickcan:
Raine, you make me sorry to work in the healthcare industry...
Fortunately, I came to the 'light side of The Force' about 5 years ago now. I did work for the payors, and an HMO at that, for a very long time.
Ted Kennedy makes me weep with joy, btw. I had to add that story when I heard about it this morning. He broke a filibuster, and once he did... 8 republicans switched sides.
Comment by Raine on 07/10/2008 13:11:45
Raine on 07/10/2008 13:11:45
Please, WHEN will it be over??
Bush to G8: 'Goodbye from the world's biggest polluter'
After rejecting global climate-change targets, George Bush's parting shot to the G8 summit
President George Bush signed off with a defiant farewell over his refusal to accept global climate change targets at his last G8 summit.
As he prepared to fly out from Japan, he told his fellow leaders: "Goodbye from the world's biggest polluter."
President Bush made the private joke in the summit's closing session, senior sources said yesterday. His remarks were taken as a two-fingered salute from the President from Texas who is wedded to the oil industry. He had given some ground at the summit by saying he would "seriously consider" a 50 per cent cut in carbon emissions by 2050.
..................................................................................................................
Bush to G8: 'Goodbye from the world's biggest polluter'
After rejecting global climate-change targets, George Bush's parting shot to the G8 summit
President George Bush signed off with a defiant farewell over his refusal to accept global climate change targets at his last G8 summit.
As he prepared to fly out from Japan, he told his fellow leaders: "Goodbye from the world's biggest polluter."
President Bush made the private joke in the summit's closing session, senior sources said yesterday. His remarks were taken as a two-fingered salute from the President from Texas who is wedded to the oil industry. He had given some ground at the summit by saying he would "seriously consider" a 50 per cent cut in carbon emissions by 2050.
..................................................................................................................
Comment by Random on 07/10/2008 13:13:38
THAT'S NOT FUNNY!
sorry...lost myself for a moment.
Random on 07/10/2008 13:13:38
Quote by Raine:
Please, WHEN will it be over??
Bush to G8: 'Goodbye from the world's biggest polluter'
After rejecting global climate-change targets, George Bush's parting shot to the G8 summit
President George Bush signed off with a defiant farewell over his refusal to accept global climate change targets at his last G8 summit.
As he prepared to fly out from Japan, he told his fellow leaders: "Goodbye from the world's biggest polluter."
President Bush made the private joke in the summit's closing session, senior sources said yesterday. His remarks were taken as a two-fingered salute from the President from Texas who is wedded to the oil industry. He had given some ground at the summit by saying he would "seriously consider" a 50 per cent cut in carbon emissions by 2050.
..................................................................................................................
THAT'S NOT FUNNY!
sorry...lost myself for a moment.
Comment by Raine on 07/10/2008 13:15:09
:cry: <----- joyful tears.
Raine on 07/10/2008 13:15:09
:cry: <----- joyful tears.
Comment by 
livingonli on 07/10/2008 13:15:47
livingonli on 07/10/2008 13:15:47
Good morning everyone.
George Bush is truly a dick and I already posted yesterday my reaction to the story about the child and the hypocritical "right-to-lifers".
George Bush is truly a dick and I already posted yesterday my reaction to the story about the child and the hypocritical "right-to-lifers".
Comment by 
clintster on 07/10/2008 13:18:22
clintster on 07/10/2008 13:18:22
Was it me or did Dennis Miller get a little shouty in that clip?
Comment by livingonli on 07/10/2008 13:19:02
livingonli on 07/10/2008 13:19:02
Dennis Miller is just plain insane, cha-chi.
Comment by capt on 07/10/2008 13:23:05
capt on 07/10/2008 13:23:05
Dennis Miller:
Comment by TriSec on 07/10/2008 13:23:10
TriSec on 07/10/2008 13:23:10
OK, so I'm dealing with a tool over on Newsvine...
I asked why all right-wing humour involves killing someone, and he came back with why does all left-wing humour involve the messy death of right-wingers?
So do we do that?
(this was regarding the McCain/cigarettes/Iranians crack...)
I asked why all right-wing humour involves killing someone, and he came back with why does all left-wing humour involve the messy death of right-wingers?
So do we do that?
(this was regarding the McCain/cigarettes/Iranians crack...)
Comment by TriSec on 07/10/2008 13:25:22
What a complete fucking, idiot. This embarrasses me as an American. Obama has a lot of work to do to restore our credibility. Never mind everything else, this is the biggest challenge the next occupant of the oval office will face. We are teetering on the brink of global irrelevancy; what happens in the next year will decide if we come back or go over.
TriSec on 07/10/2008 13:25:22
Quote by Raine:
Please, WHEN will it be over??
Bush to G8: 'Goodbye from the world's biggest polluter'
After rejecting global climate-change targets, George Bush's parting shot to the G8 summit
President George Bush signed off with a defiant farewell over his refusal to accept global climate change targets at his last G8 summit.
As he prepared to fly out from Japan, he told his fellow leaders: "Goodbye from the world's biggest polluter."
President Bush made the private joke in the summit's closing session, senior sources said yesterday. His remarks were taken as a two-fingered salute from the President from Texas who is wedded to the oil industry. He had given some ground at the summit by saying he would "seriously consider" a 50 per cent cut in carbon emissions by 2050.
..................................................................................................................
What a complete fucking, idiot. This embarrasses me as an American. Obama has a lot of work to do to restore our credibility. Never mind everything else, this is the biggest challenge the next occupant of the oval office will face. We are teetering on the brink of global irrelevancy; what happens in the next year will decide if we come back or go over.
Comment by wickedpam on 07/10/2008 13:29:16
My sense of humor has nothing to do with a messy death of anyone :shrug:
Personally my fave joke -
6 Year old cousin: knock Knock
me: Who's there?
6 Year old: Interupting cow.
me: Interupt----
6 Year old: MOO!
Gales of laughter and giggles ensue. :rofl:
wickedpam on 07/10/2008 13:29:16
Quote by TriSec:
OK, so I'm dealing with a tool over on Newsvine...
I asked why all right-wing humour involves killing someone, and he came back with why does all left-wing humour involve the messy death of right-wingers?
So do we do that?
(this was regarding the McCain/cigarettes/Iranians crack...)
My sense of humor has nothing to do with a messy death of anyone :shrug:
Personally my fave joke -
6 Year old cousin: knock Knock
me: Who's there?
6 Year old: Interupting cow.
me: Interupt----
6 Year old: MOO!
Gales of laughter and giggles ensue. :rofl:
Comment by Raine on 07/10/2008 13:29:41
Tell him to get Lerlene to show him how to type outside the box.
Raine on 07/10/2008 13:29:41
Quote by TriSec:
OK, so I'm dealing with a tool over on Newsvine...
I asked why all right-wing humour involves killing someone, and he came back with why does all left-wing humour involve the messy death of right-wingers?
So do we do that?
(this was regarding the McCain/cigarettes/Iranians crack...)
Comment by wickedpam on 07/10/2008 13:30:43
wow......yeah.....just wow
wickedpam on 07/10/2008 13:30:43
Quote by Raine:
Please, WHEN will it be over??
Bush to G8: 'Goodbye from the world's biggest polluter'
After rejecting global climate-change targets, George Bush's parting shot to the G8 summit
President George Bush signed off with a defiant farewell over his refusal to accept global climate change targets at his last G8 summit.
As he prepared to fly out from Japan, he told his fellow leaders: "Goodbye from the world's biggest polluter."
President Bush made the private joke in the summit's closing session, senior sources said yesterday. His remarks were taken as a two-fingered salute from the President from Texas who is wedded to the oil industry. He had given some ground at the summit by saying he would "seriously consider" a 50 per cent cut in carbon emissions by 2050.
..................................................................................................................
wow......yeah.....just wow
Comment by livingonli on 07/10/2008 13:31:11
And thanks to Bush's policies our dollar has fallen so into the crapper that most of us can't afford to travel overseas anymore. The next president is going to be stuck with fixing all the damage that Bush has done the past 8 years.
livingonli on 07/10/2008 13:31:11
Quote by TriSec:Quote by Raine:
Please, WHEN will it be over??
Bush to G8: 'Goodbye from the world's biggest polluter'
After rejecting global climate-change targets, George Bush's parting shot to the G8 summit
President George Bush signed off with a defiant farewell over his refusal to accept global climate change targets at his last G8 summit.
As he prepared to fly out from Japan, he told his fellow leaders: "Goodbye from the world's biggest polluter."
President Bush made the private joke in the summit's closing session, senior sources said yesterday. His remarks were taken as a two-fingered salute from the President from Texas who is wedded to the oil industry. He had given some ground at the summit by saying he would "seriously consider" a 50 per cent cut in carbon emissions by 2050.
..................................................................................................................
What a complete fucking, idiot. This embarrasses me as an American. Obama has a lot of work to do to restore our credibility. Never mind everything else, this is the biggest challenge the next occupant of the oval office will face. We are teetering on the brink of global irrelevancy; what happens in the next year will decide if we come back or go over.
And thanks to Bush's policies our dollar has fallen so into the crapper that most of us can't afford to travel overseas anymore. The next president is going to be stuck with fixing all the damage that Bush has done the past 8 years.
Comment by TriSec on 07/10/2008 13:32:00
You know, all it would take is one of those Iranian test missiles having an "accident", and we have an excuse to attack...
TriSec on 07/10/2008 13:32:00
You know, all it would take is one of those Iranian test missiles having an "accident", and we have an excuse to attack...
Comment by Random on 07/10/2008 13:35:10
I just wish the media would stop using the term "Long-range". It makes it seem that the missiles could actually hit the United States.
Random on 07/10/2008 13:35:10
Quote by TriSec:
You know, all it would take is one of those Iranian test missiles having an "accident", and we have an excuse to attack...
I just wish the media would stop using the term "Long-range". It makes it seem that the missiles could actually hit the United States.
Comment by TriSec on 07/10/2008 13:37:07
TriSec on 07/10/2008 13:37:07
What can they go, 500 miles? That's not long range. That's hardly better than a SCUD or a V-2.
Comment by Raine on 07/10/2008 13:37:24
Raine on 07/10/2008 13:37:24
OK, Right wing tool... shut up. Did Jessie JAckson Joke about killing IRanians? Did Jackson joke about being the world biggest polluter?
:rage: SHUT UP!
:rage: SHUT UP!
Comment by Raine on 07/10/2008 13:38:38
Raine on 07/10/2008 13:38:38
:rolleyes:
Comment by clintster on 07/10/2008 13:38:46
clintster on 07/10/2008 13:38:46
Wow! This guy must be a Hannity listener. He's hitting all of Listy's "points".
Comment by Random on 07/10/2008 13:38:57
I think techincally, anything that isn't a handheld rocket, is considered long range.
Course, i'm speaking from my
on that one.
Random on 07/10/2008 13:38:57
Quote by TriSec:
What can they go, 500 miles? That's not long range. That's hardly better than a SCUD or a V-2.
I think techincally, anything that isn't a handheld rocket, is considered long range.
Course, i'm speaking from my
on that one.
Comment by capt on 07/10/2008 13:39:10
capt on 07/10/2008 13:39:10
McCain Squirms on Birth Control Question
Um, maybe we should send Barack every farthing we can? Forget about FISA think "long range"
While John McCain often embodies an anything-goes attitude when talking to reporters, it doesn’t mean some subjects can’t make him sweat—say, birth control.
A female Los Angeles Times reporter inquired today about comments made earlier this week by McCain campaign adviser Carly Fiorina, the former head of Hewlett Packard.
At a breakfast with reporters, Fiorina suggested that individuals–and women in particular–be given more flexibility to determine what their health insurance plans should cover. “There are many health insurance plans that will cover Viagra but won’t cover birth-control medication. Those women would like a choice,” she observed.
When McCain was asked for his position on the issue, he said—with a nervous laugh–“I certainly do not want to discuss that issue.”
The reporter pressed. “But apparently you’ve voted against—“
“I don’t know what I voted,” McCain said.
The reporter explained that McCain voted against a bill in 2003 that would have required health insurance companies to cover prescription birth control. “Is that still your position?” she persisted.
During the awkward exchange, with several lengthy pauses, McCain said he had no immediate knowledge of the vote. “I’ve cast thousands of votes in the Senate,” McCain said, then continued: “I will respond to—it’s a, it’s a…”
“Delicate issue,” the reporter offered, to a relieved laugh from McCain.
“I don’t usually duck an issue, but I’m—I’ll try to get back to you,” he explained.
After a pause, another reporter posed a question closer to McCain’s comfort zone: “Can I ask you about Russia?”
Um, maybe we should send Barack every farthing we can? Forget about FISA think "long range"
Comment by clintster on 07/10/2008 13:39:59
clintster on 07/10/2008 13:39:59
John, John, John... you're so glib.
Comment by Raine on 07/10/2008 13:40:19
Raine on 07/10/2008 13:40:19
Hang up. The guy isn't going to vote for him. Stop giving this tool a platform.
Comment by TriSec on 07/10/2008 13:40:45
TriSec on 07/10/2008 13:40:45
Caller....
I want a constitutional lawyer as my president. Compare and contrast to "It's just a damn piece of paper."
Obama can't think on his feet? I don't think he's ever been caught off guard, or spouted a talking point, or stammered incoherently at any time on the campaign trail.
Other than that, that guy was an idiot.
I want a constitutional lawyer as my president. Compare and contrast to "It's just a damn piece of paper."
Obama can't think on his feet? I don't think he's ever been caught off guard, or spouted a talking point, or stammered incoherently at any time on the campaign trail.
Other than that, that guy was an idiot.
Comment by Random on 07/10/2008 13:43:01
Well, not techincally true. I remember he was caught off guard in debates a few times. The most famous being asked about having ex-Clinton guys on his staff, which Hillary saved his ass by not keeping her mouth shut.
Ahh memories of seeing the reason Hillary was going to lose.
Random on 07/10/2008 13:43:01
Quote by TriSec:
Obama can't think on his feet? I don't think he's ever been caught off guard, or spouted a talking point, or stammered incoherently at any time on the campaign trail.
Well, not techincally true. I remember he was caught off guard in debates a few times. The most famous being asked about having ex-Clinton guys on his staff, which Hillary saved his ass by not keeping her mouth shut.
Ahh memories of seeing the reason Hillary was going to lose.
Comment by 
starling310 on 07/10/2008 13:43:56
starling310 on 07/10/2008 13:43:56
I didn't think I would ask this again in the remainder of The Boy Wonder's term, but he didn't really say that? Did he? 
Good morning all, by the way.
Good news! In the event that I actually do decide o breed, my friend Tim has offered to be My Baby Daddy.
Good morning all, by the way.
Good news! In the event that I actually do decide o breed, my friend Tim has offered to be My Baby Daddy.
Comment by Raine on 07/10/2008 13:44:23
Pro-life and an advocate for the Rights of Man everywhere. (Feb 2008)
GovWatch: 1999: Don't force women to have illegal operations. (Feb 2008)
Abortion issue shows what kind of country we are. (Aug 2007)
Concerned if women undergo illegal dangerous operations. (May 2007)
Supports federal funding of embryonic stem cell research. (May 2007)
Prosecute abortion doctors, not women who get them. (Jan 2000)
“Family Conference” if daughter wanted an abortion. (Jan 2000)
Abortion OK if raped; and no testing for rape. (Jan 2000)
Supports fetal tissue research; against over-intensity. (Jan 2000)
Overturn Roe v. Wade, but keep incest & rape exceptions. (Jan 2000)
Support adoption & foster care; work together on abortion. (Oct 1999)
Wants Roe vs. Wade made irrelevant, but would not repeal it. (Aug 1999)
Opposes partial-birth abortions & public financing. (Aug 1999)
Nominate justices based on experience, and values. (Jun 1999)
Restrict abortions; no partial-birth; no public funding. (Jul 1998)
Voting Record
Supports repealing Roe v. Wade. (May 2007)
Voted YES on defining unborn child as eligible for SCHIP. (Mar 2008)
Voted YES on barring HHS grants to organizations that perform abortions. (Oct 2007)
Voted YES on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines. (Apr 2007)
Voted YES on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions. (Jul 2006)
Voted NO on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives. (Mar 2005)
Voted YES on criminal penalty for harming unborn fetus during other crime. (Mar 2004)
Voted YES on banning partial birth abortions except for maternal life. (Mar 2003)
Voted YES on maintaining ban on Military Base Abortions. (Jun 2000)
Voted YES on banning partial birth abortions. (Oct 1999)
Voted YES on banning human cloning. (Feb 1998)
Rated 0% by NARAL, indicating a pro-life voting record. (Dec 2003)
Expand embryonic stem cell research. (Jun 2004)
Rated 75% by the NRLC, indicating a mixed record on abortion. (Dec 2006)
Maybe John McSaim need a link about his record from the intertubes.
Raine on 07/10/2008 13:44:23
Quote by capt:
McCain Squirms on Birth Control QuestionWhile John McCain often embodies an anything-goes attitude when talking to reporters, it doesn’t mean some subjects can’t make him sweat—say, birth control.
A female Los Angeles Times reporter inquired today about comments made earlier this week by McCain campaign adviser Carly Fiorina, the former head of Hewlett Packard.
At a breakfast with reporters, Fiorina suggested that individuals–and women in particular–be given more flexibility to determine what their health insurance plans should cover. “There are many health insurance plans that will cover Viagra but won’t cover birth-control medication. Those women would like a choice,” she observed.
When McCain was asked for his position on the issue, he said—with a nervous laugh–“I certainly do not want to discuss that issue.”
The reporter pressed. “But apparently you’ve voted against—“
“I don’t know what I voted,” McCain said.
The reporter explained that McCain voted against a bill in 2003 that would have required health insurance companies to cover prescription birth control. “Is that still your position?” she persisted.
During the awkward exchange, with several lengthy pauses, McCain said he had no immediate knowledge of the vote. “I’ve cast thousands of votes in the Senate,” McCain said, then continued: “I will respond to—it’s a, it’s a…”
“Delicate issue,” the reporter offered, to a relieved laugh from McCain.
“I don’t usually duck an issue, but I’m—I’ll try to get back to you,” he explained.
After a pause, another reporter posed a question closer to McCain’s comfort zone: “Can I ask you about Russia?”
Um, maybe we should send Barack every farthing we can? Forget about FISA think "long range"
Pro-life and an advocate for the Rights of Man everywhere. (Feb 2008)
GovWatch: 1999: Don't force women to have illegal operations. (Feb 2008)
Abortion issue shows what kind of country we are. (Aug 2007)
Concerned if women undergo illegal dangerous operations. (May 2007)
Supports federal funding of embryonic stem cell research. (May 2007)
Prosecute abortion doctors, not women who get them. (Jan 2000)
“Family Conference” if daughter wanted an abortion. (Jan 2000)
Abortion OK if raped; and no testing for rape. (Jan 2000)
Supports fetal tissue research; against over-intensity. (Jan 2000)
Overturn Roe v. Wade, but keep incest & rape exceptions. (Jan 2000)
Support adoption & foster care; work together on abortion. (Oct 1999)
Wants Roe vs. Wade made irrelevant, but would not repeal it. (Aug 1999)
Opposes partial-birth abortions & public financing. (Aug 1999)
Nominate justices based on experience, and values. (Jun 1999)
Restrict abortions; no partial-birth; no public funding. (Jul 1998)
Voting Record
Supports repealing Roe v. Wade. (May 2007)
Voted YES on defining unborn child as eligible for SCHIP. (Mar 2008)
Voted YES on barring HHS grants to organizations that perform abortions. (Oct 2007)
Voted YES on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines. (Apr 2007)
Voted YES on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions. (Jul 2006)
Voted NO on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives. (Mar 2005)
Voted YES on criminal penalty for harming unborn fetus during other crime. (Mar 2004)
Voted YES on banning partial birth abortions except for maternal life. (Mar 2003)
Voted YES on maintaining ban on Military Base Abortions. (Jun 2000)
Voted YES on banning partial birth abortions. (Oct 1999)
Voted YES on banning human cloning. (Feb 1998)
Rated 0% by NARAL, indicating a pro-life voting record. (Dec 2003)
Expand embryonic stem cell research. (Jun 2004)
Rated 75% by the NRLC, indicating a mixed record on abortion. (Dec 2006)
Maybe John McSaim need a link about his record from the intertubes.
Comment by starling310 on 07/10/2008 13:46:16
Yeah, Obama is pretty much human; often times, he needs a moment to think about what he's going to say. Anyone who has an answer immediately, to any question ever posed to them, isn't thinking before they speak.
starling310 on 07/10/2008 13:46:16
Quote by TriSec:
Caller....
I want a constitutional lawyer as my president. Compare and contrast to "It's just a damn piece of paper."
Obama can't think on his feet? I don't think he's ever been caught off guard, or spouted a talking point, or stammered incoherently at any time on the campaign trail.
Other than that, that guy was an idiot.
Yeah, Obama is pretty much human; often times, he needs a moment to think about what he's going to say. Anyone who has an answer immediately, to any question ever posed to them, isn't thinking before they speak.
Comment by Random on 07/10/2008 13:47:42
Do'h
Random on 07/10/2008 13:47:42
Quote by starling310:Quote by TriSec:
Caller....
I want a constitutional lawyer as my president. Compare and contrast to "It's just a damn piece of paper."
Obama can't think on his feet? I don't think he's ever been caught off guard, or spouted a talking point, or stammered incoherently at any time on the campaign trail.
Other than that, that guy was an idiot.
Yeah, Obama is pretty much human; often times, he needs a moment to think about what he's going to say. Anyone who has an answer immediately, to any question ever posed to them, isn't thinking before they speak.
Do'h
Comment by starling310 on 07/10/2008 13:50:03
starling310 on 07/10/2008 13:50:03
I don't think we should get into Fox's hand in this. They are sleazebags...we all know that. Jesse Jackson shouldn't have made the comments. Period.
Comment by Random on 07/10/2008 13:51:29
So...Are we saying that Jesse Jackson are innocent of anything, because he was recorded in secret?
Random on 07/10/2008 13:51:29
Quote by starling310:
I don't think we should get into Fox's hand in this. They are sleazebags...we all know that. Jesse Jackson shouldn't have made the comments. Period.
So...Are we saying that Jesse Jackson are innocent of anything, because he was recorded in secret?
Comment by capt on 07/10/2008 13:57:06
capt on 07/10/2008 13:57:06
I think the Jackson comment was like a growing pain.
It is a process to get through some of the old guard and their loss of power.
It is a process to get through some of the old guard and their loss of power.
Comment by starling310 on 07/10/2008 13:57:13
I'm sorry...is your question "Are you saying Jesse Jackson is innocent?"
I'm not saying that at all. And, I just don't think he should be let off the hook by
"blaming" Fox. If I was sitting in a Fox Studio, I would only say things that I wouldn't be afraid to have repeated.
All of this being said, I also don't think this should monopolize an entire news cycle.
Jesse Jackson went off half-cocked. What else is new?
Move on.
starling310 on 07/10/2008 13:57:13
Quote by Random:Quote by starling310:
I don't think we should get into Fox's hand in this. They are sleazebags...we all know that. Jesse Jackson shouldn't have made the comments. Period.
So...Are we saying that Jesse Jackson are innocent of anything, because he was recorded in secret?
I'm sorry...is your question "Are you saying Jesse Jackson is innocent?"
I'm not saying that at all. And, I just don't think he should be let off the hook by
"blaming" Fox. If I was sitting in a Fox Studio, I would only say things that I wouldn't be afraid to have repeated.
All of this being said, I also don't think this should monopolize an entire news cycle.
Jesse Jackson went off half-cocked. What else is new?
Move on.
Comment by TriSec on 07/10/2008 13:57:45
TriSec on 07/10/2008 13:57:45
*sigh*
So, is this whole Jesse Jackson thing another "manufactured controversy", a la Reverent Wright?
Discuss.
So, is this whole Jesse Jackson thing another "manufactured controversy", a la Reverent Wright?
Discuss.
Comment by wickedpam on 07/10/2008 13:57:57
wickedpam on 07/10/2008 13:57:57
Gawk! If there's going to be a "white" leader I think it should be Brad Pitt.
Comment by Raine on 07/10/2008 13:59:19
Yes.
Raine on 07/10/2008 13:59:19
Quote by starling310:
I don't think we should get into Fox's hand in this. They are sleazebags...we all know that. Jesse Jackson shouldn't have made the comments. Period.
Comment by wickedpam on 07/10/2008 13:59:32
wickedpam on 07/10/2008 13:59:32
Quote by TriSec:
*sigh*
So, is this whole Jesse Jackson thing another "manufactured controversy", a la Reverent Wright?
Discuss.
Comment by Random on 07/10/2008 14:01:07
: Actually, forget why i responded directly to your post. Just listening to the guy, sounding like Jesse Jackson just had a horrible trick played on him. That, and stephanie seemingly agreed with him, the caller.
And in response to tri...I think it's more like Geraldine, then Wright. Not manufactured, just a stupid person saying something stupid because they're annoyed about something.
Random on 07/10/2008 14:01:07
: Actually, forget why i responded directly to your post. Just listening to the guy, sounding like Jesse Jackson just had a horrible trick played on him. That, and stephanie seemingly agreed with him, the caller.And in response to tri...I think it's more like Geraldine, then Wright. Not manufactured, just a stupid person saying something stupid because they're annoyed about something.
Comment by livingonli on 07/10/2008 14:02:10
livingonli on 07/10/2008 14:02:10
Quote by Raine:Yes.Quote by starling310:
I don't think we should get into Fox's hand in this. They are sleazebags...we all know that. Jesse Jackson shouldn't have made the comments. Period.
Comment by livingonli on 07/10/2008 14:04:10
livingonli on 07/10/2008 14:04:10
The Stephstream is playing the set-up for the connection between Neal Boortz and Stephanie since the show will be simulcast briefly.
Comment by starling310 on 07/10/2008 14:04:23
starling310 on 07/10/2008 14:04:23
Quote by Random:
And in response to tri...I think it's more like Geraldine, then Wright. Not manufactured, just a stupid person saying something stupid because they're annoyed about something.
Comment by clintster on 07/10/2008 14:04:28
clintster on 07/10/2008 14:04:28
Ooh, a little shoptalk on the live feed. Yay!!
Comment by Random on 07/10/2008 14:06:32
That done...It always seems i disagree with everyone.
Random on 07/10/2008 14:06:32
Quote by starling310:Quote by Random:
And in response to tri...I think it's more like Geraldine, then Wright. Not manufactured, just a stupid person saying something stupid because they're annoyed about something.
That done...It always seems i disagree with everyone.
Comment by Raine on 07/10/2008 14:07:57
Raine on 07/10/2008 14:07:57
:puke:
Comment by starling310 on 07/10/2008 14:08:54
starling310 on 07/10/2008 14:08:54
Raine? Ditto.
Comment by starling310 on 07/10/2008 14:09:57
starling310 on 07/10/2008 14:09:57
Gawd. He's really annoying.
Comment by livingonli on 07/10/2008 14:10:07
livingonli on 07/10/2008 14:10:07
Boortz speaks in that manner that makes him sound like a bad imitation of William F. Buckley.
Comment by capt on 07/10/2008 14:11:56
Um, it must be true 'cause I do disagree but that makes the whole thing circular. . .
capt on 07/10/2008 14:11:56
Quote by Random:Quote by starling310:Quote by Random:
And in response to tri...I think it's more like Geraldine, then Wright. Not manufactured, just a stupid person saying something stupid because they're annoyed about something.
That done...It always seems i disagree with everyone.
Um, it must be true 'cause I do disagree but that makes the whole thing circular. . .
Comment by 
velveeta jones on 07/10/2008 14:12:02
velveeta jones on 07/10/2008 14:12:02
Morning all. Hmmm, its a GREAT day! Lemme just turn on Steph......... why, its just a lovely cool day here in the mount.......
Is that Neal Boortz!?!
:thud:
Is that Neal Boortz!?!
:thud:
Comment by capt on 07/10/2008 14:12:32
Wadda they say?
capt on 07/10/2008 14:12:32
Quote by clintster:
Ooh, a little shoptalk on the live feed. Yay!!
Wadda they say?
Comment by livingonli on 07/10/2008 14:14:14
Alas, yes.
livingonli on 07/10/2008 14:14:14
Quote by velveeta jones:
Morning all. Hmmm, its a GREAT day! Lemme just turn on Steph......... why, its just a lovely cool day here in the mount.......
Is that Neal Boortz!?!
:thud:
Alas, yes.
Comment by Raine on 07/10/2008 14:16:53
Raine on 07/10/2008 14:16:53
Is neil Gone?
Comment by clintster on 07/10/2008 14:17:54
It was just tech talk between Steph and Royal (Neal's producer, IIRC) about taking out the echo between the shows. Apparently they got it worked out. Not anything really exciting, but it was kinda watching the Federation adn the Romulans working together.
clintster on 07/10/2008 14:17:54
Quote by capt:Quote by clintster:
Ooh, a little shoptalk on the live feed. Yay!!
Wadda they say?
It was just tech talk between Steph and Royal (Neal's producer, IIRC) about taking out the echo between the shows. Apparently they got it worked out. Not anything really exciting, but it was kinda watching the Federation adn the Romulans working together.
Comment by livingonli on 07/10/2008 14:18:10
Yes!
livingonli on 07/10/2008 14:18:10
Quote by Raine:
Is neil Gone?
Yes!
Comment by capt on 07/10/2008 14:18:22
I hope so. I can't believe they say nice things about the fop
capt on 07/10/2008 14:18:22
Quote by Raine:
Is neil Gone?
I hope so. I can't believe they say nice things about the fop
Comment by clintster on 07/10/2008 14:19:13
clintster on 07/10/2008 14:19:13
I have to confess, I listened to the interview on Boortz's show, mostly 'cause for about 10 minutes I could pretend that Steph was on Atlanta radio.
Comment by Raine on 07/10/2008 14:19:23
Raine on 07/10/2008 14:19:23
Boortz and Momma are (or were) both syndicated by Jones Radio. And now I suspect by the company that bought them out last month.
Comment by Raine on 07/10/2008 14:20:26
I can understand that.
you know, a LOT of people got to hear her in Atlanta just now. THAT is a plus, right?
Raine on 07/10/2008 14:20:26
Quote by clintster:
I have to confess, I listened to the interview on Boortz's show, mostly 'cause for about 10 minutes I could pretend that Steph was on Atlanta radio.
you know, a LOT of people got to hear her in Atlanta just now. THAT is a plus, right?
Comment by 
BobR on 07/10/2008 14:22:06
BobR on 07/10/2008 14:22:06
morning folks... :coffee:
I had some computer "issues" this morning after after Microsith installed a "security patch". It made my computer secure all right - I was not connecting to the internet in any way shape or form...
I had some computer "issues" this morning after after Microsith installed a "security patch". It made my computer secure all right - I was not connecting to the internet in any way shape or form...
Comment by Random on 07/10/2008 14:22:07
Hm...just reading other's views here, and seeing they all seem to line up.
Random on 07/10/2008 14:22:07
Quote by capt:Quote by Random:Quote by starling310:Quote by Random:
And in response to tri...I think it's more like Geraldine, then Wright. Not manufactured, just a stupid person saying something stupid because they're annoyed about something.
That done...It always seems i disagree with everyone.
Um, it must be true 'cause I do disagree but that makes the whole thing circular. . .
Hm...just reading other's views here, and seeing they all seem to line up.
Comment by capt on 07/10/2008 14:25:04
I was disagreeing that you disagree with everyone, so even more circular!!!
I guess I disagree that we disagree so I agree we agree?
capt on 07/10/2008 14:25:04
Quote by Random:Quote by capt:Quote by Random:Quote by starling310:Quote by Random:
And in response to tri...I think it's more like Geraldine, then Wright. Not manufactured, just a stupid person saying something stupid because they're annoyed about something.
That done...It always seems i disagree with everyone.
Um, it must be true 'cause I do disagree but that makes the whole thing circular. . .
Hm...just reading other's views here, and seeing they all seem to line up.
I was disagreeing that you disagree with everyone, so even more circular!!!
I guess I disagree that we disagree so I agree we agree?
Comment by livingonli on 07/10/2008 14:25:12
livingonli on 07/10/2008 14:25:12
Good morning to you, BobR. Sounds like that Windows upgrade I had a year ago that locked up Windows on my computer and eventually wiping out my hard drive.
Comment by clintster on 07/10/2008 14:26:16
This is true. A little exposure on the biggest talk station in the ATL couldn't hurt. There have to be some progressives out there who tune in there to get the traffic and just got an earful of Mama.
I think she was trying to strike a balance between being herself and being courteous to Boortz. Now, the crack about Condi being the "worst Sec. of State" might bring out the boobirds on WSB, but I thought she kept her head about her. Let's just hope that this leads to better thing (like a morning slot on a decent-powered station) for Mama, and for progressive radio in Atlanta.
clintster on 07/10/2008 14:26:16
Quote by Raine:I can understand that.Quote by clintster:
I have to confess, I listened to the interview on Boortz's show, mostly 'cause for about 10 minutes I could pretend that Steph was on Atlanta radio.
you know, a LOT of people got to hear her in Atlanta just now. THAT is a plus, right?
This is true. A little exposure on the biggest talk station in the ATL couldn't hurt. There have to be some progressives out there who tune in there to get the traffic and just got an earful of Mama.
I think she was trying to strike a balance between being herself and being courteous to Boortz. Now, the crack about Condi being the "worst Sec. of State" might bring out the boobirds on WSB, but I thought she kept her head about her. Let's just hope that this leads to better thing (like a morning slot on a decent-powered station) for Mama, and for progressive radio in Atlanta.
Comment by velveeta jones on 07/10/2008 14:27:43
velveeta jones on 07/10/2008 14:27:43
Think I'll go insult some more people.
:)
:)
Comment by velveeta jones on 07/10/2008 14:28:31
velveeta jones on 07/10/2008 14:28:31
Beware.
:)
(I slept too much last night........ too full of shit today).
:)
(I slept too much last night........ too full of shit today).
Comment by Raine on 07/10/2008 14:37:51
Raine on 07/10/2008 14:37:51
:cheese: you'll need this May the force be with you.
Comment by Raine on 07/10/2008 14:39:51
Raine on 07/10/2008 14:39:51
For what need is the exportation of the Bull semen?
Comment by capt on 07/10/2008 14:43:50
Bush has the corner on BS so obviously a lack of bulls producing in Iran is a given?
capt on 07/10/2008 14:43:50
Quote by Raine:
For what need is the exportation of the Bull semen?
Bush has the corner on BS so obviously a lack of bulls producing in Iran is a given?
Comment by Raine on 07/10/2008 14:46:51
Raine on 07/10/2008 14:46:51
Milk prices aren't rising... your savings account isn't really shrinking. Gas costs aren't the problem... you don't HAVE to worry anymore... Phil Gramm says it's ALL in your head...
So quitcher whining ya big cry baby.
Former Sen. Phil Gramm, a top economic adviser to presumptive GOP nominee John McCain, referred to the economic slowdown as "a mental recession" and called the United States “a nation of whiners.”
So quitcher whining ya big cry baby.
Comment by 
Will in Chicago on 07/10/2008 14:47:36
Will in Chicago on 07/10/2008 14:47:36
Good morning, bloggers!!
Excellent entry, Raine. I added it to the UNN Daily Headlines in the Blogosphere section. (I did not name the sections, credit Sensischolar for that.)
I was away yesterday as my car's radiator sprang a leak on Tuesday and I stayed by my sister's waiting for the repair.
As for the FISA debacle, I am not happy. Following the advice of Senator Russ Feingold, I will support Obama in the general election and remind him that this travesty of a law needs to be amended. Even if we elect a Democratic President and a Democratic Senate with a veto proof majority, it will still take a long time to clean up after the elephants and the circus clowns - aka the Bush Administration.
Excellent entry, Raine. I added it to the UNN Daily Headlines in the Blogosphere section. (I did not name the sections, credit Sensischolar for that.)
I was away yesterday as my car's radiator sprang a leak on Tuesday and I stayed by my sister's waiting for the repair.
As for the FISA debacle, I am not happy. Following the advice of Senator Russ Feingold, I will support Obama in the general election and remind him that this travesty of a law needs to be amended. Even if we elect a Democratic President and a Democratic Senate with a veto proof majority, it will still take a long time to clean up after the elephants and the circus clowns - aka the Bush Administration.
Comment by wickedpam on 07/10/2008 14:49:39
wickedpam on 07/10/2008 14:49:39
Quote by Raine:
For what need is the exportation of the Bull semen?
Comment by TriSec on 07/10/2008 14:50:30
TriSec on 07/10/2008 14:50:30
OK, so I went into av-dork mode a wee bit.
On the Shahab-3 missile...
Range: 810 - 1200 statute miles
Payload: one 2200 pound warhead or five MIRVs of 620 pounds each
Range:
Shahab-3 Range circle
On the Shahab-3 missile...
Range: 810 - 1200 statute miles
Payload: one 2200 pound warhead or five MIRVs of 620 pounds each
Range:
Shahab-3 Range circle
Comment by velveeta jones on 07/10/2008 14:50:58
:lol:
You have been added to the list. Be afraid!
:P
velveeta jones on 07/10/2008 14:50:58
Quote by Raine:
:cheese: you'll need this May the force be with you.
:lol:
You have been added to the list. Be afraid!
:P
Comment by Raine on 07/10/2008 14:51:12
Raine on 07/10/2008 14:51:12
May she rest in peace.
An elderly Indonesian woman famed nationwide for supernatural skills in lengthening penises has died, reports said Thursday.
Reclusive Mak Erot, famed for penis extension treatment incorporating traditional herbs and Islamic prayer, died last week in Caringin village on the western coast of Java island, the Kompas daily's website reported.
Mak Erot -- who reports aged anywhere from 101 to over 130 -- prompted legions of imitations of her famous clinics, many using her famously craggy and birthmarked face to lure in anxious men.
[...]
User "Jengkol" wrote on news website Detikcom: "Oh no, I didn't have the chance to go to Mak Erot and now she's dead. I'll just have to buy a vacuum. Maybe that could be the solution to my problem."
Comment by capt on 07/10/2008 14:51:16
capt on 07/10/2008 14:51:16
My biggest issue with the FISA vote is . . .
What if the GOP steals this election and McCain is given the top slot, then what?
(perish the thought)
What if the GOP steals this election and McCain is given the top slot, then what?
(perish the thought)
Comment by capt on 07/10/2008 14:52:38
Note - IN USE since 2003 . . .
capt on 07/10/2008 14:52:38
Quote by TriSec:
OK, so I went into av-dork mode a wee bit.
On the Shahab-3 missile...
Range: 810 - 1200 statute miles
Payload: one 2200 pound warhead or five MIRVs of 620 pounds each
Range:
Shahab-3 Range circle
Note - IN USE since 2003 . . .
Comment by TriSec on 07/10/2008 14:53:41
TriSec on 07/10/2008 14:53:41
Bull market for bull semen?
Story circa 2006...
Story circa 2006...
WAUPUN, Wis. - Most of the 400 Holstein cows on B&B Dairy will never see a bull in their lives, but they are bred with some of the most sought-after studs in the world. The same went for their mothers and most of their grandmothers and great-grandmothers.
It's done through artificial insemination, a growing industry in the U.S. and abroad, which allows farmers to breed good traits like fertility and milk quality into their calves and breed out bad ones. Higher milk prices, heat-inducing drugs, better genes and the opening of more international markets are fueling the growth, according to National Association of Animal Breeders President Gordon Doak.
Matt Schultz, a herdsman at B&B, said the farm has used artificial insemination since 1987. The biggest advantage is not having a temperamental bull around that could kill someone, Schultz said.
Comment by velveeta jones on 07/10/2008 14:55:04
velveeta jones on 07/10/2008 14:55:04
Off to run errands and go to work. Insulting people put on hold until later.
:)
:)
Comment by Raine on 07/10/2008 14:55:33
:boobs2:
Raine on 07/10/2008 14:55:33
Quote by velveeta jones:Quote by Raine:
:cheese: you'll need this May the force be with you.
:lol:
You have been added to the list. Be afraid!
:P
Comment by livingonli on 07/10/2008 14:57:14
That's when I leave the country because we will be screwed between the Rethugs and the fact that he will put more reich-wingers on the courts.
livingonli on 07/10/2008 14:57:14
Quote by capt:
My biggest issue with the FISA vote is . . .
What if the GOP steals this election and McCain is given the top slot, then what?
(perish the thought)
That's when I leave the country because we will be screwed between the Rethugs and the fact that he will put more reich-wingers on the courts.
Comment by m-hadley on 07/10/2008 15:04:39
Heya Kids,
I'm with Liv on this one - I've already done some research and found out that Canada is really my only option given that I don't think I could allow my dogs to be quaratined for six - eight weeks, and Canada only requires that your dogs have all their shots. So if McSame somehow manages to get in the White House (through nefarious means), I'm heading to Vancouver or Toronto. Wanna join me, Liv?
Cheers,
mfaye
:peace:
m-hadley on 07/10/2008 15:04:39
Quote by livingonli:Quote by capt:
My biggest issue with the FISA vote is . . .
What if the GOP steals this election and McCain is given the top slot, then what?
(perish the thought)
That's when I leave the country because we will be screwed between the Rethugs and the fact that he will put more reich-wingers on the courts.
Heya Kids,
I'm with Liv on this one - I've already done some research and found out that Canada is really my only option given that I don't think I could allow my dogs to be quaratined for six - eight weeks, and Canada only requires that your dogs have all their shots. So if McSame somehow manages to get in the White House (through nefarious means), I'm heading to Vancouver or Toronto. Wanna join me, Liv?
Cheers,
mfaye
:peace:
Comment by livingonli on 07/10/2008 15:07:59
Sounds cool. I'm partial to Toronto myself. We could start a bloggers-in-exile movement. Vancouver does get less snow, but I am used to being in the eastern time zone.
livingonli on 07/10/2008 15:07:59
Quote by m-hadley:Quote by livingonli:Quote by capt:
My biggest issue with the FISA vote is . . .
What if the GOP steals this election and McCain is given the top slot, then what?
(perish the thought)
That's when I leave the country because we will be screwed between the Rethugs and the fact that he will put more reich-wingers on the courts.
Heya Kids,
I'm with Liv on this one - I've already done some research and found out that Canada is really my only option given that I don't think I could allow my dogs to be quaratined for six - eight weeks, and Canada only requires that your dogs have all their shots. So if McSame somehow manages to get in the White House (through nefarious means), I'm heading to Vancouver or Toronto. Wanna join me, Liv?
Cheers,
mfaye
:peace:
Sounds cool. I'm partial to Toronto myself. We could start a bloggers-in-exile movement. Vancouver does get less snow, but I am used to being in the eastern time zone.
Comment by TriSec on 07/10/2008 15:13:43
TriSec on 07/10/2008 15:13:43
I'm in: Halifax for your TriSec!
Comment by BobR on 07/10/2008 15:16:30
BobR on 07/10/2008 15:16:30
Toronto, Hallifax, Ottowa, Montreal, and Quebec city all sound good to me.
But then again - so does Costa Rica...
But then again - so does Costa Rica...
Comment by livingonli on 07/10/2008 15:19:38
Unless you're fluent in French, it will be hard to get work in Montreal or Quebec City.
livingonli on 07/10/2008 15:19:38
Quote by BobR:
Toronto, Hallifax, Ottowa, Montreal, and Quebec city all sound good to me.
But then again - so does Costa Rica...
Unless you're fluent in French, it will be hard to get work in Montreal or Quebec City.
Comment by TriSec on 07/10/2008 15:20:23
TriSec on 07/10/2008 15:20:23
Welcome aboard, Ms. Miller!
Comment by livingonli on 07/10/2008 15:21:27
livingonli on 07/10/2008 15:21:27
I was able to check the XM schedule for 167 next week, and the changes will be Lionel is gone and they cut the last hour of Bill Press so they can run the Young Turks from 8-10 AM and then Stephanie Miller from 10 AM-Noon (Damn it, no first hour).
Comment by Random on 07/10/2008 15:23:36
Random on 07/10/2008 15:23:36
Random™
Comment by livingonli on 07/10/2008 15:24:26
livingonli on 07/10/2008 15:24:26
All Hail Random. 
:bow:
:bow:
Comment by starling310 on 07/10/2008 15:24:52
:spit:
Oh my god!!!
starling310 on 07/10/2008 15:24:52
Quote by TriSec:
Welcome aboard, Ms. Miller!
:spit:
Oh my god!!!
Comment by Raine on 07/10/2008 15:27:44
Raine on 07/10/2008 15:27:44
You know what I think? I think we need Harriet and Countess Chokula mashed together in a sound clip.
I think that could be a four freedoms production.
Harriet: ya throwin' the election away! For what? An inadequate Black man?
Countess: Get offa my back!
I think that could be a four freedoms production.
Harriet: ya throwin' the election away! For what? An inadequate Black man?
Countess: Get offa my back!
Comment by Random on 07/10/2008 15:30:16
*throws a cookie* good girl.
Random on 07/10/2008 15:30:16
Quote by livingonli:
All Hail Random.
*throws a cookie* good girl.
Comment by clintster on 07/10/2008 15:31:12
Something with "Dueling Banjoes" as the background music.
clintster on 07/10/2008 15:31:12
Quote by Raine:
You know what I think? I think we need Harriet and Countess Chokula mashed together in a sound clip.
I think that could be a four freedoms production.
Harriet: ya throwin' the election away! For what? An inadequate Black man?
Countess: Get offa my back!
Something with "Dueling Banjoes" as the background music.
Comment by TriSec on 07/10/2008 15:32:20
TriSec on 07/10/2008 15:32:20
Wha?
Did the news just say that Karl Rove blew off a congressional subpoena this morning?
Arrest him! Arrest that fuck!
Did the news just say that Karl Rove blew off a congressional subpoena this morning?
Arrest him! Arrest that fuck!
Comment by capt on 07/10/2008 15:32:30
We have to stay and fight. It is our country not the neocons.
capt on 07/10/2008 15:32:30
Quote by livingonli:Quote by BobR:
Toronto, Hallifax, Ottowa, Montreal, and Quebec city all sound good to me.
But then again - so does Costa Rica...
Unless you're fluent in French, it will be hard to get work in Montreal or Quebec City.
We have to stay and fight. It is our country not the neocons.
Comment by BobR on 07/10/2008 15:33:22
I was thinking music that sounded vaguely Jewish, vaguely eastern European, like the music from Fiddler on the Roof...
BobR on 07/10/2008 15:33:22
Quote by clintster:
Something with "Dueling Banjoes" as the background music.
I was thinking music that sounded vaguely Jewish, vaguely eastern European, like the music from Fiddler on the Roof...
Comment by Raine on 07/10/2008 15:33:58
Raine on 07/10/2008 15:33:58
Heya Will, I am sorry , I forgot to thank you for putting this in the UNN bloggie section!
Comment by wickedpam on 07/10/2008 15:36:05
fixed that for ya ;)
wickedpam on 07/10/2008 15:36:05
Quote by Random:Quote by livingonli:
All Hail Random.
*throws a cookie* good boy.
fixed that for ya ;)
Comment by Raine on 07/10/2008 15:36:52
My dream...
Raine on 07/10/2008 15:36:52
Quote by TriSec:
Wha?
Did the news just say that Karl Rove blew off a congressional subpoena this morning?
Arrest him! Arrest that fuck!
Comment by capt on 07/10/2008 15:38:25
Mine too!
Well, one of my dreams.
capt on 07/10/2008 15:38:25
Quote by Raine:My dream...Quote by TriSec:
Wha?
Did the news just say that Karl Rove blew off a congressional subpoena this morning?
Arrest him! Arrest that fuck!
Mine too!
Well, one of my dreams.
Comment by clintster on 07/10/2008 15:39:34
That would work, too. In the song "To Life", there's an extended instrumental break that's used as a dance sequence in the musical. I'm not sure if it's in the cast album, but it might be worth seeking out. That instrumental break would be pretty cool.
Another possibility might be Tchaikovsky's "Violin Concerto".
clintster on 07/10/2008 15:39:34
Quote by BobR:Quote by clintster:
Something with "Dueling Banjoes" as the background music.
I was thinking music that sounded vaguely Jewish, vaguely eastern European, like the music from Fiddler on the Roof...
That would work, too. In the song "To Life", there's an extended instrumental break that's used as a dance sequence in the musical. I'm not sure if it's in the cast album, but it might be worth seeking out. That instrumental break would be pretty cool.
Another possibility might be Tchaikovsky's "Violin Concerto".
Comment by wickedpam on 07/10/2008 15:41:20
wickedpam on 07/10/2008 15:41:20
You go Dennis :clap:
Comment by Raine on 07/10/2008 15:46:03
Those two sound like good choices!
Raine on 07/10/2008 15:46:03
Quote by clintster:Quote by BobR:Quote by clintster:
Something with "Dueling Banjoes" as the background music.
I was thinking music that sounded vaguely Jewish, vaguely eastern European, like the music from Fiddler on the Roof...
That would work, too. In the song "To Life", there's an extended instrumental break that's used as a dance sequence in the musical. I'm not sure if it's in the cast album, but it might be worth seeking out. That instrumental break would be pretty cool.
Another possibility might be Tchaikovsky's "Violin Concerto".
Comment by Random on 07/10/2008 15:46:09
As your almight Random Lord. I am allowed to insult the masculinity of whoever i like.
Random on 07/10/2008 15:46:09
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Random:Quote by livingonli:
All Hail Random.
*throws a cookie* good boy.
fixed that for ya ;)
As your almight Random Lord. I am allowed to insult the masculinity of whoever i like.
Comment by 
Shane-O on 07/10/2008 15:47:28
OMG! -- great idea :rofl:
Staring me right in the face since I sent the original clip Monday - and missed it - oof...
Whomever is doing it - I probably have most of the clips you need - let me know and I'll send them to you!
Shane-O on 07/10/2008 15:47:28
Quote by Raine:
You know what I think? I think we need Harriet and Countess Chokula mashed together in a sound clip.
I think that could be a four freedoms production.
Harriet: ya throwin' the election away! For what? An inadequate Black man?
Countess: Get offa my back!
Staring me right in the face since I sent the original clip Monday - and missed it - oof...
Whomever is doing it - I probably have most of the clips you need - let me know and I'll send them to you!
Comment by Random on 07/10/2008 15:47:47
I want that soo bad.
Random on 07/10/2008 15:47:47
Quote by Raine:My dream...Quote by TriSec:
Wha?
Did the news just say that Karl Rove blew off a congressional subpoena this morning?
Arrest him! Arrest that fuck!
I want that soo bad.
Comment by m-hadley on 07/10/2008 15:52:44
Heya BobR,
I lived in Costa Rica during Bush I (1989 - 1992). It's a cool country, though I had a nasty experience with a dentist (She pulled a wisdom tooth out with ginormous pliers and no novacaine - ooooouuuch
), but that was before my espanol was up to snuff, so it may have been a communication issue. I lived in Monteverde (a beautiful community on the edge of a cloud forest). I worked for an environmental organization that was trying to save the rain forest by purchasing the land and setting it aside for preservation. The group also worked with area farmers to help them increase yields by planting trees to protect their crops from wind. If you'd like to know any more about Costa Rica I'd be glad to discuss it more with you (although I haven't been back since 1993, so my information is kinda old - sorry :P)
Cheers,
mfaye
:hug:
m-hadley on 07/10/2008 15:52:44
Quote by BobR:
Toronto, Hallifax, Ottowa, Montreal, and Quebec city all sound good to me.
But then again - so does Costa Rica...
Heya BobR,
I lived in Costa Rica during Bush I (1989 - 1992). It's a cool country, though I had a nasty experience with a dentist (She pulled a wisdom tooth out with ginormous pliers and no novacaine - ooooouuuch
), but that was before my espanol was up to snuff, so it may have been a communication issue. I lived in Monteverde (a beautiful community on the edge of a cloud forest). I worked for an environmental organization that was trying to save the rain forest by purchasing the land and setting it aside for preservation. The group also worked with area farmers to help them increase yields by planting trees to protect their crops from wind. If you'd like to know any more about Costa Rica I'd be glad to discuss it more with you (although I haven't been back since 1993, so my information is kinda old - sorry :P)Cheers,
mfaye
:hug:
Comment by Raine on 07/10/2008 15:52:47
I dunno if I can fight another 4 more years. I understand what you are saying, but I have been fighting for over 1/3 of my life at this point. I am getting tired...
We'll see tho, with friends like you guys, it DOES make it easier to stay and fight.
Raine on 07/10/2008 15:52:47
Quote by capt:
We have to stay and fight. It is our country not the neocons.
We'll see tho, with friends like you guys, it DOES make it easier to stay and fight.
Comment by Raine on 07/10/2008 15:54:32
:poke: you could do it!
Unless Clinster was going to. I am just the idea person... (Shane-O bob and Clinster had some good ideas for the music. Something fiddler on the roofy...)
Raine on 07/10/2008 15:54:32
Quote by Shane-O:OMG! -- great idea :rofl:Quote by Raine:
You know what I think? I think we need Harriet and Countess Chokula mashed together in a sound clip.
I think that could be a four freedoms production.
Harriet: ya throwin' the election away! For what? An inadequate Black man?
Countess: Get offa my back!
Staring me right in the face since I sent the original clip Monday - and missed it - oof...
Whomever is doing it - I probably have most of the clips you need - let me know and I'll send them to you!
Unless Clinster was going to. I am just the idea person... (Shane-O bob and Clinster had some good ideas for the music. Something fiddler on the roofy...)
Comment by Random on 07/10/2008 15:54:56
Random will stay...he can survive 4 years.
Random on 07/10/2008 15:54:56
Quote by Raine:I dunno if I can fight another 4 more years. I understand what you are saying, but I have been fighting for over 1/3 of my life at this point. I am getting tired...Quote by capt:
We have to stay and fight. It is our country not the neocons.
We'll see tho, with friends like you guys, it DOES make it easier to stay and fight.
Random will stay...he can survive 4 years.
Comment by Shane-O on 07/10/2008 15:57:11
I like the dueling banjos idea (which I can also send). Also, I can't remember the theme to "The Golden Girls" - but I think if could be funny too...
Shane-O on 07/10/2008 15:57:11
Quote by Raine::poke: you could do it!Quote by Shane-O:OMG! -- great idea :rofl:Quote by Raine:
You know what I think? I think we need Harriet and Countess Chokula mashed together in a sound clip.
I think that could be a four freedoms production.
Harriet: ya throwin' the election away! For what? An inadequate Black man?
Countess: Get offa my back!
Staring me right in the face since I sent the original clip Monday - and missed it - oof...
Whomever is doing it - I probably have most of the clips you need - let me know and I'll send them to you!
Unless Clinster was going to. I am just the idea person... (Shane-O bob and Clinster had some good ideas for the music. Something fiddler on the roofy...)
Comment by capt on 07/10/2008 15:57:52
capt on 07/10/2008 15:57:52
The fight will never end.
Were you thinking we could actually win and stay won?
You can turn back the intensity but you gotta stay in.
We will lose without you.
Were you thinking we could actually win and stay won?
You can turn back the intensity but you gotta stay in.
Whatever you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it.
When I despair, I remember that all through history the ways of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall. Think of it--always.
Mahatma Gandhi
We will lose without you.
Comment by capt on 07/10/2008 15:59:47
capt on 07/10/2008 15:59:47
- yep
Comment by livingonli on 07/10/2008 16:00:27
So do I.
Inherent contempt is our friend.
livingonli on 07/10/2008 16:00:27
Quote by Random:Quote by Raine:My dream...Quote by TriSec:
Wha?
Did the news just say that Karl Rove blew off a congressional subpoena this morning?
Arrest him! Arrest that fuck!
I want that soo bad.
So do I.
Inherent contempt is our friend.
Comment by BobR on 07/10/2008 16:00:37
Stan (the Official Blog Lurker™ ) goes there every year so I have all the info I need... :peace:
Thanks!
BobR on 07/10/2008 16:00:37
Quote by m-hadley:
Heya BobR,
I lived in Costa Rica during Bush I (1989 - 1992). It's a cool country, though I had a nasty experience with a dentist (She pulled a wisdom tooth out with ginormous pliers and no novacaine - ooooouuuch
Cheers,
mfaye
:hug:
Stan (the Official Blog Lurker™ ) goes there every year so I have all the info I need... :peace:
Thanks!
Comment by Raine on 07/10/2008 16:04:38
:kickcan: damn, capt, you are good.
Raine on 07/10/2008 16:04:38
Quote by capt:
The fight will never end.
Were you thinking we could actually win and stay won?
You can turn back the intensity but you gotta stay in.Whatever you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it.
When I despair, I remember that all through history the ways of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall. Think of it--always.
Mahatma Gandhi
We will lose without you.
Comment by Raine on 07/10/2008 16:06:20
Raine on 07/10/2008 16:06:20
Did anyone post the Youtube of the countess?
I would love a picture of her.
I would love a picture of her.
Comment by wickedpam on 07/10/2008 16:09:21
Thank you for being a friend
Traveled down the road and back again
Your heart is true your a pal and a confidant.
And if you through a party
Invited everyone you ever knew
You would see the biggest gift would be from me
And the card attached would say thank you for being a friend.
wickedpam on 07/10/2008 16:09:21
Quote by Shane-O:I like the dueling banjos idea (which I can also send). Also, I can't remember the theme to "The Golden Girls" - but I think if could be funny too...Quote by Raine::poke: you could do it!Quote by Shane-O:OMG! -- great idea :rofl:Quote by Raine:
You know what I think? I think we need Harriet and Countess Chokula mashed together in a sound clip.
I think that could be a four freedoms production.
Harriet: ya throwin' the election away! For what? An inadequate Black man?
Countess: Get offa my back!
Staring me right in the face since I sent the original clip Monday - and missed it - oof...
Whomever is doing it - I probably have most of the clips you need - let me know and I'll send them to you!
Unless Clinster was going to. I am just the idea person... (Shane-O bob and Clinster had some good ideas for the music. Something fiddler on the roofy...)
Thank you for being a friend
Traveled down the road and back again
Your heart is true your a pal and a confidant.
And if you through a party
Invited everyone you ever knew
You would see the biggest gift would be from me
And the card attached would say thank you for being a friend.
Comment by m-hadley on 07/10/2008 16:09:38
Raine and others,
I am so f*ckin' tired of fighting this fight... although I agree with Raine that places like this blog do make it much better to stick around. I just think I need a break from the fight if we lose this one :P
Cheers,
mfaye
:peace:
m-hadley on 07/10/2008 16:09:38
Quote by Raine:I dunno if I can fight another 4 more years. I understand what you are saying, but I have been fighting for over 1/3 of my life at this point. I am getting tired...Quote by capt:
We have to stay and fight. It is our country not the neocons.
We'll see tho, with friends like you guys, it DOES make it easier to stay and fight.
Raine and others,
I am so f*ckin' tired of fighting this fight... although I agree with Raine that places like this blog do make it much better to stick around. I just think I need a break from the fight if we lose this one :P
Cheers,
mfaye
:peace:
Comment by capt on 07/10/2008 16:11:18
capt on 07/10/2008 16:11:18
I truly believe the government will do all it can to screw us over (under any party).
Government will push the people as far as they can, when the go too far they pull back to keep the masses just short of civil unrest.
We have to be a threat to the government or they will continue to push.
I cannot believe people didn't riot in the streets when the SCOTUS decided the 2000 election.
We end up with the government we tolerate and we have been far too forgiving for far too long. IMHO
Government will push the people as far as they can, when the go too far they pull back to keep the masses just short of civil unrest.
We have to be a threat to the government or they will continue to push.
I cannot believe people didn't riot in the streets when the SCOTUS decided the 2000 election.
We end up with the government we tolerate and we have been far too forgiving for far too long. IMHO
Comment by Random on 07/10/2008 16:11:18
Random on 07/10/2008 16:11:18
I've become hopelessly addicted to Doctor Who.
Comment by capt on 07/10/2008 16:12:36
HERE
capt on 07/10/2008 16:12:36
But let me put it bluntly, with no graciousness whatsoever, for any who may have missed Feingold's rather subtle point: For those of us who have had it with the felonious George W. Bush and recoil at the prospect of a Bushian extension, Barack Obama, for all we care, could go goosestepping down Constitution Avenue while whistling "White House über Alles" -- if that's what it takes to secure even one more purple-state vote.
This presidential election is that critical, the Bush-encore threat that foreboding.
Obama's pragmatism may indeed insult the ideological sensibilities of many on the left. So be it. Yet, on the campaign trail, how far have those sensibilities historically advanced the left's power?
I may detest the substance on which Obama voted aye yesterday, but I am proud of his vote and unashamed of the paradox.
Campaining is not governing.
HERE
Comment by livingonli on 07/10/2008 16:13:56
livingonli on 07/10/2008 16:13:56
Even though I have stuck it out through all of the Bush presidency I do believe if Grampy McSame gets in that between the fascist legislation and the court packing this country will be a very hostile place for forward thinking people for decades.
Comment by Raine on 07/10/2008 16:15:15
Raine on 07/10/2008 16:15:15
I think the dueling banjoes is a little too *country* for these women...
But check this out...
Try playing them together..
But check this out...
Try playing them together..
Comment by BobR on 07/10/2008 16:16:43
After listening to song snippets from Fiddler over on Amazon, I would say either Wedding Procession or Entr'acte
BobR on 07/10/2008 16:16:43
Quote by Shane-O:
I like the dueling banjos idea (which I can also send). Also, I can't remember the theme to "The Golden Girls" - but I think if could be funny too...
After listening to song snippets from Fiddler over on Amazon, I would say either Wedding Procession or Entr'acte
Comment by capt on 07/10/2008 16:18:22
Isn't it already a very hostile place for any thinking people? That is what we are fighting. I consider the M$M narrative an assault on thinking people - one that seems to be hypnotic and effective.
Maybe it is just me. I am quite a loon and don't to take myself too seriously.
capt on 07/10/2008 16:18:22
Quote by livingonli:
Even though I have stuck it out through all of the Bush presidency I do believe if Grampy McSame gets in that between the fascist legislation and the court packing this country will be a very hostile place for forward thinking people for decades.
Isn't it already a very hostile place for any thinking people? That is what we are fighting. I consider the M$M narrative an assault on thinking people - one that seems to be hypnotic and effective.
Maybe it is just me. I am quite a loon and don't to take myself too seriously.
Comment by wickedpam on 07/10/2008 16:20:02
me too - even though I still have to see the epi's with the 1st thru 8th Doctors
wickedpam on 07/10/2008 16:20:02
Quote by Random:
I've become hopelessly addicted to Doctor Who.
me too - even though I still have to see the epi's with the 1st thru 8th Doctors
Comment by Shane-O on 07/10/2008 16:21:31
Holy crap, I almost fell out of my chair when I played your Wedding Procession idea - :in Lucy voice: "THAT'S IT." Perfect - and different. It must be done...
Depending how it turns out (if it is OK that I run with this) - it screams for a video version (4F production, of course) too...
Shane-O on 07/10/2008 16:21:31
Quote by BobR:Quote by Shane-O:
I like the dueling banjos idea (which I can also send). Also, I can't remember the theme to "The Golden Girls" - but I think if could be funny too...
After listening to song snippets from Fiddler over on Amazon, I would say either Wedding Procession or Entr'acte
Depending how it turns out (if it is OK that I run with this) - it screams for a video version (4F production, of course) too...
Comment by capt on 07/10/2008 16:24:42
capt on 07/10/2008 16:24:42
Obama's Remarks at Clinton-Obama Breakfast Fundraiser
I enjoy reading his remarks. We better keep fighting folks, there is a light at the end of this tunnel and it is not a train coming.
I enjoy reading his remarks. We better keep fighting folks, there is a light at the end of this tunnel and it is not a train coming.
Comment by wickedpam on 07/10/2008 16:26:47
I like the Wedding Procession - I was trying to think of the theme song from Escape to Witch Mountian, not sure why it popped into my head.
wickedpam on 07/10/2008 16:26:47
Quote by BobR:Quote by Shane-O:
I like the dueling banjos idea (which I can also send). Also, I can't remember the theme to "The Golden Girls" - but I think if could be funny too...
After listening to song snippets from Fiddler over on Amazon, I would say either Wedding Procession or Entr'acte
I like the Wedding Procession - I was trying to think of the theme song from Escape to Witch Mountian, not sure why it popped into my head.
Comment by livingonli on 07/10/2008 16:27:14
The classic Doctor Who (seasons 1-26, doctors 1 through 7) only run in a few markets so in most parts of the US the only way to see them is on DVD now. The 1996 TV movie with Paul McGann is not available on video, it last ran on the Starz!/Encore channels a few years ago but hasn't been seen since.
livingonli on 07/10/2008 16:27:14
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Random:
I've become hopelessly addicted to Doctor Who.
me too - even though I still have to see the epi's with the 1st thru 8th Doctors
The classic Doctor Who (seasons 1-26, doctors 1 through 7) only run in a few markets so in most parts of the US the only way to see them is on DVD now. The 1996 TV movie with Paul McGann is not available on video, it last ran on the Starz!/Encore channels a few years ago but hasn't been seen since.
Comment by capt on 07/10/2008 16:27:53
capt on 07/10/2008 16:27:53
Shane-O and BobR - that whole idea ROCKS!
Excellent collaboration!
Great stuff!
Excellent collaboration!
Great stuff!
Comment by Will in Chicago on 07/10/2008 16:28:54
No problem. It is in the Blogosphere section of the Daily Headlines for today, so several of the progressive hosts will hopefully check out the link later.
After cranking out more headlines, I am on hold for a relatively minor thing on a job application form. Total expected wait time: 26 minutes.
I suspect scientist and science fiction author Ben Bova is right: More people have died from red tape than bullets.
Will in Chicago on 07/10/2008 16:28:54
Quote by Raine:
Heya Will, I am sorry , I forgot to thank you for putting this in the UNN bloggie section!
No problem. It is in the Blogosphere section of the Daily Headlines for today, so several of the progressive hosts will hopefully check out the link later.
After cranking out more headlines, I am on hold for a relatively minor thing on a job application form. Total expected wait time: 26 minutes.
I suspect scientist and science fiction author Ben Bova is right: More people have died from red tape than bullets.
Comment by Raine on 07/10/2008 16:38:01
Raine on 07/10/2008 16:38:01
BTW, for those who feel slighted by Momma (regarding the Live Blog)
It should be noted (and a big thanks will be sent to
from me) that Shane-O has not only put our beautiful blog site at the end of his youtubery that gets posted on Momma's site, but, They have also linked Shane-O's name over to Four Freedoms as well.
:bow:
They may not mention us, but we do get props! !!!!
It should be noted (and a big thanks will be sent to
from me) that Shane-O has not only put our beautiful blog site at the end of his youtubery that gets posted on Momma's site, but, They have also linked Shane-O's name over to Four Freedoms as well. :bow:
They may not mention us, but we do get props! !!!!
Comment by capt on 07/10/2008 16:39:34
Most excellent!
capt on 07/10/2008 16:39:34
Quote by Raine:
BTW, for those who feel slighted by Momma (regarding the Live Blog)
It should be noted (and a big thanks will be sent to
:bow:
They may not mention us, but we do get props! !!!!
Most excellent!
Comment by Shane-O on 07/10/2008 16:44:44
Without saying too much (wouldn't that be a change for me...:) ) - there's a LOT of love for 4F - unfortunately not enough time to express it always. If that makes any sense...
Shane-O on 07/10/2008 16:44:44
Quote by Raine:
BTW, for those who feel slighted by Momma (regarding the Live Blog)
It should be noted (and a big thanks will be sent to
:bow:
They may not mention us, but we do get props! !!!!
Comment by Raine on 07/10/2008 16:45:12
:kickcan: mope
Raine on 07/10/2008 16:45:12
Quote by capt:
Shane-O and BobR - that whole idea ROCKS!
Excellent collaboration!
Great stuff!
:kickcan: mope
Comment by capt on 07/10/2008 16:51:15
capt on 07/10/2008 16:51:15
Iran's missile warning - more bark than bite?
This was the Iranian answer to the Israeli practice bombing runs. More bluster than anything. Iran has had these missiles for years and they can't aim their shorter range stuff so the long range would be more like the Scud's. Not effective as a weapon.
Defence analyst Paul Beaver said Iran's missile programme was fairly advanced but that it still needed to get accuracy and guidance systems right for long distances. "They are some way away yet from threatening Israel or U.S. bases," he said.
Speculation that Israel could strike Iran has mounted since its air force staged an exercise last month that U.S. officials said involved 100 aircraft. The United States has not ruled out military action if diplomacy fails to resolve the nuclear row.
Iran may fire the missiles if it were attacked but its "real strength lies elsewhere," Pieter Wezeman, a researcher at the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI).
ASYMETRIC TACTICS
Analysts say Iran could employ unconventional or "asymmetric" methods to strike back, for example against U.S. forces in Iraq and by disrupting crude supplies vital for the world economy with hit-and-run attacks against oil tankers.
This was the Iranian answer to the Israeli practice bombing runs. More bluster than anything. Iran has had these missiles for years and they can't aim their shorter range stuff so the long range would be more like the Scud's. Not effective as a weapon.
Comment by capt on 07/10/2008 16:52:03
YOU TOO! I am very bad at listing with any copius content. . .
capt on 07/10/2008 16:52:03
Quote by Raine:Quote by capt:
Shane-O and BobR - that whole idea ROCKS!
Excellent collaboration!
Great stuff!
:kickcan: mope
YOU TOO! I am very bad at listing with any copius content. . .
Comment by Will in Chicago on 07/10/2008 16:52:27
Will in Chicago on 07/10/2008 16:52:27
And, in a follow up to my previous post, the information I requested is not applicable to someone of my age.
Well, I have some errands to run. So, I will try to swing back later.
Well, I have some errands to run. So, I will try to swing back later.
Comment by capt on 07/10/2008 16:53:22
capt on 07/10/2008 16:53:22
Of course you know . . .
Comment by Raine on 07/10/2008 17:04:42
Raine on 07/10/2008 17:04:42
:beer: Yeah, that made ton's of sense.
Comment by capt on 07/10/2008 17:08:10
Edge of desert
<------- Barstow
capt on 07/10/2008 17:08:10
Quote by Raine:
:beer: Yeah, that made ton's of sense.
Edge of desert
<------- Barstow
Comment by Random on 07/10/2008 17:10:28
Money says the TV movie gets put on DVD soon, probably within the next year, considering the lull.
I've gotten a half dozen DVD's (First three serials, end of the fourth doctor's begining of the fifth, and a seventh)
I've gotten a hand on 80+ audio plays by big finish.
They're great, btw, so if you can get your hands on them, I recomend Whispers of Terror, great.
Random on 07/10/2008 17:10:28
Quote by livingonli:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Random:
I've become hopelessly addicted to Doctor Who.
me too - even though I still have to see the epi's with the 1st thru 8th Doctors
The classic Doctor Who (seasons 1-26, doctors 1 through 7) only run in a few markets so in most parts of the US the only way to see them is on DVD now. The 1996 TV movie with Paul McGann is not available on video, it last ran on the Starz!/Encore channels a few years ago but hasn't been seen since.
Money says the TV movie gets put on DVD soon, probably within the next year, considering the lull.
I've gotten a half dozen DVD's (First three serials, end of the fourth doctor's begining of the fifth, and a seventh)
I've gotten a hand on 80+ audio plays by big finish.
They're great, btw, so if you can get your hands on them, I recomend Whispers of Terror, great.
Comment by Raine on 07/10/2008 17:10:38
Sorry to hear that info will.
We'll see you later!
Raine on 07/10/2008 17:10:38
Quote by will in chicago:
And, in a follow up to my previous post, the information I requested is not applicable to someone of my age.
Well, I have some errands to run. So, I will try to swing back later.
We'll see you later!
Comment by clintster on 07/10/2008 17:11:49
YE GODS! I played both at the same time, and my ears are bleeding now. That was like the "Dark Side of the Rainbow", but scary.
clintster on 07/10/2008 17:11:49
Quote by Raine:
I think the dueling banjoes is a little too *country* for these women...
But check this out...
Try playing them together..
YE GODS! I played both at the same time, and my ears are bleeding now. That was like the "Dark Side of the Rainbow", but scary.
Comment by Raine on 07/10/2008 17:11:51
:hug:
Raine on 07/10/2008 17:11:51
Quote by capt:
Of course you know . . .
Comment by Shane-O on 07/10/2008 17:13:32
Sorry...
Shane-O on 07/10/2008 17:13:32
Quote by Raine:
:beer: Yeah, that made ton's of sense.
Sorry...
Comment by capt on 07/10/2008 17:15:01
capt on 07/10/2008 17:15:01
When you are right you cannot be too radical; when you are wrong, you cannot be too conservative.
~ Martin Luther King Jr. (1929 - 1968)
Comment by TriSec on 07/10/2008 17:27:40
TriSec on 07/10/2008 17:27:40
Going hardcore this afternoon....
Now Playing:
Now Playing:
Comment by Raine on 07/10/2008 17:32:41
Oh boy! I am a mess today. I really meant that it made sense. there was no 
Raine on 07/10/2008 17:32:41
Quote by Shane-O:Quote by Raine:
:beer: Yeah, that made ton's of sense.
Sorry...
Comment by Shane-O on 07/10/2008 17:35:49
Ooops! my bad - cynical ever there Shane-O? Yikes!
I'm going to go take a nap before tackling the Harriet/Countess 4F bit...
I'll send the draft to both you and BobR later :)
Shane-O on 07/10/2008 17:35:49
Quote by Raine:Oh boy! I am a mess today. I really meant that it made sense. there was noQuote by Shane-O:Quote by Raine:
:beer: Yeah, that made ton's of sense.
Sorry...
I'm going to go take a nap before tackling the Harriet/Countess 4F bit...
I'll send the draft to both you and BobR later :)
Comment by Raine on 07/10/2008 17:37:41
Sweet! LOVE that album!
Raine on 07/10/2008 17:37:41
Quote by TriSec:
Going hardcore this afternoon....
Now Playing:
Sweet! LOVE that album!
Comment by TriSec on 07/10/2008 17:44:58
TriSec on 07/10/2008 17:44:58
Comment by capt on 07/10/2008 17:46:40
capt on 07/10/2008 17:46:40
What is with the fear thing?
Terrorism or whatever, we have nothing to fear. We are Americans and we are all descended from the survivors of all previous wars and battles, diseases and plagues, and we are tougher than a bunch of wilting flowers cowering in fear from anything.
It is the fear mongers who are weak and insipid and we should be culling them from the herd - they are the ones making us weak.
The con's are strung so tight we should be able to make their heads explode - we just need the right word or phrase.
Hmmm
Terrorism or whatever, we have nothing to fear. We are Americans and we are all descended from the survivors of all previous wars and battles, diseases and plagues, and we are tougher than a bunch of wilting flowers cowering in fear from anything.
It is the fear mongers who are weak and insipid and we should be culling them from the herd - they are the ones making us weak.
The con's are strung so tight we should be able to make their heads explode - we just need the right word or phrase.
Hmmm
Comment by capt on 07/10/2008 17:49:29
OMG - I am speechless . . .
capt on 07/10/2008 17:49:29
Quote by TriSec:
Is "Black Hole" a racially insensitive term?
:thud:
No, it isn't from The Onion...
OMG - I am speechless . . .
Comment by Raine on 07/10/2008 18:05:20
Obama Responds today, in Fairfax Virginia:
:clap: :gobama:
Raine on 07/10/2008 18:05:20
Quote by Raine:
Milk prices aren't rising... your savings account isn't really shrinking. Gas costs aren't the problem... you don't HAVE to worry anymore... Phil Gramm says it's ALL in your head...Former Sen. Phil Gramm, a top economic adviser to presumptive GOP nominee John McCain, referred to the economic slowdown as "a mental recession" and called the United States “a nation of whiners.”
So quitcher whining ya big cry baby.
Well, you know, America already has one Dr. Phil. When it comes to the economy, we don't need another.
Let’s be clear, when people are struggling with the rising costs of everything from gas to groceries, when we’ve lost 438,000 jobs over the past six months, when typical families have seen their incomes fall nearly $1,000 since 2000, this economic downturn isn’t in our heads. It isn’t whining to ask for more than just psychological relief.
And I think it’s time we had a President who doesn’t deny our problems – or blame the American people for them – but takes responsibility and provides the leadership to solve them. That’s the kind of President I will be.
:clap: :gobama:
Comment by capt on 07/10/2008 18:06:51
capt on 07/10/2008 18:06:51
I wonder, if we are actually wiretapping Al Qaeda - why aren't we just killing them left and right?
Can't we trace the call?
Maybe they are wiretapping anybody they think is Al Qaeda and we know they think their boogeymen are everywhere.
Can't we trace the call?
Maybe they are wiretapping anybody they think is Al Qaeda and we know they think their boogeymen are everywhere.
If the only tool you have is a hammer, you tend to see every problem as a nail.
~ Abraham Maslow (1908 - 1970)
Comment by capt on 07/10/2008 18:08:51
capt on 07/10/2008 18:08:51
Go Linda Sanchez!!
Comment by TriSec on 07/10/2008 18:14:52
TriSec on 07/10/2008 18:14:52
ACLU to challenge FISA
As the Senate voted to endorse a Bush-administration backed plan to expand its surveillance authority and grant retroactive legal immunity to telecommunications companies that facilitated warrantless wiretapping, the American Civil Liberties Union unveiled plans to challenge the new law in court.
"This fight is not over. We intend to challenge this bill as soon as President Bush signs it into law," said Jameel Jaffer, Director of the ACLU National Security Project, in a statement provided to RAW STORY as the Senate was voting. "The bill allows the warrantless and dragnet surveillance of Americans' international telephone and email communications. It plainly violates the Fourth Amendment."
After defeating three attempts to improve the update to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, the Senate was expected to President Bush a FISA update Wednesday. Senators approved the FISA update on a 69-28 vote.
After the vote, the Electronic Frontier Foundation, which is representing plaintiffs in lawsuits against the phone companies, also vowed to fight the bill in court, confirming plans outlined last week.
"We thank those senators who courageously opposed telecom immunity and vow to them, and to the American people, that the fight for accountability over the president's illegal surveillance is not over," said EFF Senior Staff Attorney Kurt Opsahl. "Even though Congress has failed to protect the privacy of Americans and uphold the rule of law, we will not abandon our defense of liberty. We will fight this unconstitutional grant of immunity in the courtroom and in the Congress, requesting repeal of the immunity in the next session, while seeking justice from the Judiciary. Nor can the lawless officials who approved this massive violation of Americans' rights rest easy, for we will file a new suit against the government and challenge warrantless wiretapping, past, present and future."
As the Senate voted to endorse a Bush-administration backed plan to expand its surveillance authority and grant retroactive legal immunity to telecommunications companies that facilitated warrantless wiretapping, the American Civil Liberties Union unveiled plans to challenge the new law in court.
"This fight is not over. We intend to challenge this bill as soon as President Bush signs it into law," said Jameel Jaffer, Director of the ACLU National Security Project, in a statement provided to RAW STORY as the Senate was voting. "The bill allows the warrantless and dragnet surveillance of Americans' international telephone and email communications. It plainly violates the Fourth Amendment."
After defeating three attempts to improve the update to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, the Senate was expected to President Bush a FISA update Wednesday. Senators approved the FISA update on a 69-28 vote.
After the vote, the Electronic Frontier Foundation, which is representing plaintiffs in lawsuits against the phone companies, also vowed to fight the bill in court, confirming plans outlined last week.
"We thank those senators who courageously opposed telecom immunity and vow to them, and to the American people, that the fight for accountability over the president's illegal surveillance is not over," said EFF Senior Staff Attorney Kurt Opsahl. "Even though Congress has failed to protect the privacy of Americans and uphold the rule of law, we will not abandon our defense of liberty. We will fight this unconstitutional grant of immunity in the courtroom and in the Congress, requesting repeal of the immunity in the next session, while seeking justice from the Judiciary. Nor can the lawless officials who approved this massive violation of Americans' rights rest easy, for we will file a new suit against the government and challenge warrantless wiretapping, past, present and future."
Comment by livingonli on 07/10/2008 18:27:20
livingonli on 07/10/2008 18:27:20
Phil Gramm can bite me.
Comment by capt on 07/10/2008 18:28:47
No, you might catch some kind of hatred disease . . .
capt on 07/10/2008 18:28:47
Quote by livingonli:
Phil Gramm can bite me.
No, you might catch some kind of hatred disease . . .
Comment by Random on 07/10/2008 18:36:55
Random on 07/10/2008 18:36:55
Random™ Has returned
Comment by capt on 07/10/2008 18:37:33
All hail!!!!
capt on 07/10/2008 18:37:33
Quote by Random:
Random™ Has returned
All hail!!!!
Comment by starling310 on 07/10/2008 18:40:17
starling310 on 07/10/2008 18:40:17
Thom just said "Kickin' ass."
: steph's mom : "Oh dear. . ."
: steph's mom : "Oh dear. . ."
Comment by livingonli on 07/10/2008 18:45:13
Behold the power of Random.
But just remember I am a dude next time.
livingonli on 07/10/2008 18:45:13
Quote by capt:Quote by Random:
Random™ Has returned
All hail!!!!
Behold the power of Random.
But just remember I am a dude next time.
Comment by Raine on 07/10/2008 18:49:18
Raine on 07/10/2008 18:49:18
Bookmark this!
John McCain -- 61 Flip-Flops and Counting
National Security Policy
1. McCain thought Bush's warrantless wiretap program circumvented the law; now he believes the opposite.
2. McCain insisted that everyone, even "terrible killers," "the worst kind of scum of humanity," and detainees at Guantanamo Bay, "deserve to have some adjudication of their cases," even if that means "releasing some of them." McCain now believes the opposite.
3. He opposed indefinite detention of terrorist suspects. When the Supreme Court reached the same conclusion, he called it "one of the worst decisions in the history of this country."
4. In February, McCain reversed course on prohibiting waterboarding.
5. McCain favored closing the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay before he was against it.
6. When Barack Obama talked about going after terrorists in Pakistani mountains with Predators, McCain criticized him for it. He's since come to the opposite conclusion.
Foreign Policy
7. McCain was for kicking Russia out of the G8 before he was against it.
8. McCain supported moving "toward normalization of relations" with Cuba. Now he believes the opposite.
9. McCain believed the United States should engage in diplomacy with Hamas. Now he believes the opposite.
10. McCain believed the United States should engage in diplomacy with Syria. Now he believes the opposite.
11. McCain is both for and against a "rogue state rollback" as a focus of his foreign policy vision.
12. McCain used to champion the Law of the Sea convention, even volunteering to testify on the treaty's behalf before a Senate committee. Now he opposes it.
13. McCain was against divestment from South Africa before he was for it.
Military Policy
14. McCain recently claimed that he was the "greatest critic" of Rumsfeld's failed Iraq policy. In December 2003, McCain praised the same strategy as "a mission accomplished." In March 2004, he said, "I'm confident we're on the right course." In December 2005, he said, "Overall, I think a year from now, we will have made a fair amount of progress if we stay the course."
15. McCain has changed his mind about a long-term U.S. military presence in Iraq on multiple occasions, concluding, on multiple occasions, that a Korea-like presence is both a good idea and a bad idea.
16. McCain said before the war in Iraq, "We will win this conflict. We will win it easily." Four years later, McCain said he knew all along that the war in Iraq war was "probably going to be long and hard and tough."
17. McCain has repeatedly said it's a dangerous mistake to tell the "enemy" when U.S. troops would be out of Iraq. In May, McCain announced that most American troops would be home from Iraq by 2013.
=====================================================
The rest of the flip flops are there, with LINKS... Send it on to all your RW tooly friends.
:gobama:
John McCain -- 61 Flip-Flops and Counting
National Security Policy
1. McCain thought Bush's warrantless wiretap program circumvented the law; now he believes the opposite.
2. McCain insisted that everyone, even "terrible killers," "the worst kind of scum of humanity," and detainees at Guantanamo Bay, "deserve to have some adjudication of their cases," even if that means "releasing some of them." McCain now believes the opposite.
3. He opposed indefinite detention of terrorist suspects. When the Supreme Court reached the same conclusion, he called it "one of the worst decisions in the history of this country."
4. In February, McCain reversed course on prohibiting waterboarding.
5. McCain favored closing the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay before he was against it.
6. When Barack Obama talked about going after terrorists in Pakistani mountains with Predators, McCain criticized him for it. He's since come to the opposite conclusion.
Foreign Policy
7. McCain was for kicking Russia out of the G8 before he was against it.
8. McCain supported moving "toward normalization of relations" with Cuba. Now he believes the opposite.
9. McCain believed the United States should engage in diplomacy with Hamas. Now he believes the opposite.
10. McCain believed the United States should engage in diplomacy with Syria. Now he believes the opposite.
11. McCain is both for and against a "rogue state rollback" as a focus of his foreign policy vision.
12. McCain used to champion the Law of the Sea convention, even volunteering to testify on the treaty's behalf before a Senate committee. Now he opposes it.
13. McCain was against divestment from South Africa before he was for it.
Military Policy
14. McCain recently claimed that he was the "greatest critic" of Rumsfeld's failed Iraq policy. In December 2003, McCain praised the same strategy as "a mission accomplished." In March 2004, he said, "I'm confident we're on the right course." In December 2005, he said, "Overall, I think a year from now, we will have made a fair amount of progress if we stay the course."
15. McCain has changed his mind about a long-term U.S. military presence in Iraq on multiple occasions, concluding, on multiple occasions, that a Korea-like presence is both a good idea and a bad idea.
16. McCain said before the war in Iraq, "We will win this conflict. We will win it easily." Four years later, McCain said he knew all along that the war in Iraq war was "probably going to be long and hard and tough."
17. McCain has repeatedly said it's a dangerous mistake to tell the "enemy" when U.S. troops would be out of Iraq. In May, McCain announced that most American troops would be home from Iraq by 2013.
=====================================================
The rest of the flip flops are there, with LINKS... Send it on to all your RW tooly friends.
:gobama:
Comment by Raine on 07/10/2008 18:52:18
I love Thom. :wub2:
Raine on 07/10/2008 18:52:18
Quote by starling310:
Thom just said "Kickin' ass."
: steph's mom : "Oh dear. . ."
Comment by capt on 07/10/2008 18:58:23
capt on 07/10/2008 18:58:23
Thom is an important voice for our side (sanity)
"Gotta love the Thom"
"Gotta love the Thom"
Comment by Raine on 07/10/2008 19:01:27
:gobama: 22 million dollars raised in June!
Raine on 07/10/2008 19:01:27
:gobama: 22 million dollars raised in June!
Comment by starling310 on 07/10/2008 19:06:47
He's like a nun saying "Ass."
starling310 on 07/10/2008 19:06:47
Quote by Raine:I love Thom. :wub2:Quote by starling310:
Thom just said "Kickin' ass."
: steph's mom : "Oh dear. . ."
He's like a nun saying "Ass."
Comment by wickedpam on 07/10/2008 19:12:03
:spit:
wickedpam on 07/10/2008 19:12:03
Quote by starling310:Quote by Raine:I love Thom. :wub2:Quote by starling310:
Thom just said "Kickin' ass."
: steph's mom : "Oh dear. . ."
He's like a nun saying "Ass."
:spit:
Comment by livingonli on 07/10/2008 19:15:41
livingonli on 07/10/2008 19:15:41
Mala, you don't have to worry about not getting Maryland Public Television. I've heard that after 23 years, they have stopped running the old Doctor Who episodes although they still have the rights to two more runs of the Eccleston episodes.
Comment by Raine on 07/10/2008 19:17:37
And now that McCain is trying to distance himself from Dr. Phil's comments...
From JANUARY of this year, I present Grandpa:
Raine on 07/10/2008 19:17:37
Quote by Raine:Obama Responds today, in Fairfax Virginia:Quote by Raine:
Milk prices aren't rising... your savings account isn't really shrinking. Gas costs aren't the problem... you don't HAVE to worry anymore... Phil Gramm says it's ALL in your head...Former Sen. Phil Gramm, a top economic adviser to presumptive GOP nominee John McCain, referred to the economic slowdown as "a mental recession" and called the United States “a nation of whiners.”
So quitcher whining ya big cry baby.Well, you know, America already has one Dr. Phil. When it comes to the economy, we don't need another.
Let’s be clear, when people are struggling with the rising costs of everything from gas to groceries, when we’ve lost 438,000 jobs over the past six months, when typical families have seen their incomes fall nearly $1,000 since 2000, this economic downturn isn’t in our heads. It isn’t whining to ask for more than just psychological relief.
And I think it’s time we had a President who doesn’t deny our problems – or blame the American people for them – but takes responsibility and provides the leadership to solve them. That’s the kind of President I will be.
:clap: :gobama:
From JANUARY of this year, I present Grandpa:
Comment by starling310 on 07/10/2008 19:22:51
:fbump: :fbump: :fbump:
starling310 on 07/10/2008 19:22:51
Quote by Raine:
:gobama: 22 million dollars raised in June!
:fbump:
:fbump: :fbump:
Comment by capt on 07/10/2008 19:23:33
capt on 07/10/2008 19:23:33
McCain Campaign Initially Stood By Gramm Remarks
How can I trust "Politico" when they pull the first statement?
The McCain campaign is working hard to distance itself from statements made by economic adviser Phil Gramm describing the current economic downturn as a "mental recession" and saying America had "sort of become a nation of whiners."
But in an initial statement published by Politico and then, seemingly, removed from its site, a McCain campaign aide actually stood by Gramm's remarks, saying the interview as a whole was merely meant as a preview of the Senator's economic agenda.
"Mr. Gramm was simply saying that we are laying out the economic plan this week," the piece quoted a "McCain official" as saying. "The plan is comprehensive, providing immediate near-term relief for Americans hurting today as well as longer-term solutions to get our economy back on track, secure our energy future and deliver jobs, prosperity and opportunity for the next generation. We're laying out that plan this week with an emphasis on the critical importance of job creation, and it's been a great success so far."
Only after the fallout from Gramm's statement did the McCain campaign fully backtrack.
"Phil Gramm's comments are not representative of John McCain's views," read a campaign statement. "John McCain travels the country every day talking to Americans who are hurting, feeling pain at the pump and worrying about how they'll pay their mortgage. That's why he has a realistic plan to deliver immediate relief at the gas pump, grow our economy and put Americans back to work."
The two statements - the first one issued to Politico and the one offered to the press list this morning - are diametrically different. And they seem to reflect recognition, by the McCain camp, that Gramm's remark on the economy is simply un-spinnable.
How can I trust "Politico" when they pull the first statement?
Comment by Raine on 07/10/2008 19:26:43
McCain't shoots back... badly. (Sorry to keep quoting myself, I just want the entire context here in all it's glory)
From MSNBC:
:waiting: REALLY Grandpa?? you sure about that?
Raine on 07/10/2008 19:26:43
Quote by Raine:And now that McCain is trying to distance himself from Dr. Phil's comments...Quote by Raine:Obama Responds today, in Fairfax Virginia:Quote by Raine:
Milk prices aren't rising... your savings account isn't really shrinking. Gas costs aren't the problem... you don't HAVE to worry anymore... Phil Gramm says it's ALL in your head...Former Sen. Phil Gramm, a top economic adviser to presumptive GOP nominee John McCain, referred to the economic slowdown as "a mental recession" and called the United States “a nation of whiners.”
So quitcher whining ya big cry baby.Well, you know, America already has one Dr. Phil. When it comes to the economy, we don't need another.
Let’s be clear, when people are struggling with the rising costs of everything from gas to groceries, when we’ve lost 438,000 jobs over the past six months, when typical families have seen their incomes fall nearly $1,000 since 2000, this economic downturn isn’t in our heads. It isn’t whining to ask for more than just psychological relief.
And I think it’s time we had a President who doesn’t deny our problems – or blame the American people for them – but takes responsibility and provides the leadership to solve them. That’s the kind of President I will be.
:clap: :gobama:
From JANUARY of this year, I present Grandpa:
From MSNBC:
McCain slammed economic adviser Phil Gramm for his “mental recession” and “nation of whiners” comment. He said he didn’t agree with him and even proposed a position in a McCain administration -- ambassador to Belarus, “though I’m not sure the citizens of Minsk would welcome that,” McCain said.
“I don’t agree with Sen. Gramm,” McCain said at a news conference this afternoon. “I believe that the person here in Michigan who just lost their job, isn’t suffering from a ‘mental recession.’ The mother here who is trying to get enough money to feed her children, isn’t ‘whining.’”
“Phil Gramm doesn’t speak for me, I speak for me. I strongly disagree,” McCain continued, speaking of the man who some speculated could be Treasury Secretary in a McCain administration.
McCain has used the word “psychological” to describe on the country’s problems, leaving some to connect dots. But McCain rebuffed that and Obama’s mocking criticism, calling Gramm a “Dr. Phil” that’s not needed for this economy.
“You’re talking about Dr. Phil,” McCain said, adding about Obama, “He’s Dr. No. He’s Dr. No on energy. McCain then ticked off the energy proposals in which he and Obama disagree on implementing. “My response is I speak for me. … He’s Dr. No.”
Comment by capt on 07/10/2008 19:28:48
capt on 07/10/2008 19:28:48
We have to remember - Ken Lay was going to be our DOE Sec. if the Enron scandal didn't break.
Mrs. Gramm was on the Enron board (I think)
Mrs. Gramm was on the Enron board (I think)
Comment by Random on 07/10/2008 19:31:21
You dare threaten Random™.
No cookie for you, liv...
*throws capt a cookie*
Random on 07/10/2008 19:31:21
Quote by livingonli:Quote by capt:Quote by Random:
Random™ Has returned
All hail!!!!
Behold the power of Random.
But just remember I am a dude next time.
You dare threaten Random™.
No cookie for you, liv...
*throws capt a cookie*
Comment by capt on 07/10/2008 19:44:39
capt on 07/10/2008 19:44:39
“Amigo! Amigo!” Mr. Bush called out cheerily in Spanish when he spotted the Italian prime minister. “How you doing, Silvio? Good to see you!” Later, the president wondered about his former Russian counterpart, Vladimir V. Putin. “Did Putin come to see you since I saw you?” he asked Mr. Berlusconi. (He had not.)
Comment by capt on 07/10/2008 19:52:52
capt on 07/10/2008 19:52:52
Naomi has another good book - seldom mentioned "No Logo"
Her essays and articles are always a good read.
Her essays and articles are always a good read.
Comment by Raine on 07/10/2008 19:55:04
Thinkprogress picked it up as well.
IF I use Poltiico, it is usually Ben Smith's Blog. The rest... I dunno... Ben smith is a source that I can research and find backup's to what he is saying.
If you think for ONE minute that McCain didn't support him (and you cap, I know don't) then tell me, why did he say that shit (see the youtube) back in January?
Raine on 07/10/2008 19:55:04
Quote by capt:
McCain Campaign Initially Stood By Gramm RemarksThe McCain campaign is working hard to distance itself from statements made by economic adviser Phil Gramm describing the current economic downturn as a "mental recession" and saying America had "sort of become a nation of whiners."
But in an initial statement published by Politico and then, seemingly, removed from its site, a McCain campaign aide actually stood by Gramm's remarks, saying the interview as a whole was merely meant as a preview of the Senator's economic agenda.
"Mr. Gramm was simply saying that we are laying out the economic plan this week," the piece quoted a "McCain official" as saying. "The plan is comprehensive, providing immediate near-term relief for Americans hurting today as well as longer-term solutions to get our economy back on track, secure our energy future and deliver jobs, prosperity and opportunity for the next generation. We're laying out that plan this week with an emphasis on the critical importance of job creation, and it's been a great success so far."
Only after the fallout from Gramm's statement did the McCain campaign fully backtrack.
"Phil Gramm's comments are not representative of John McCain's views," read a campaign statement. "John McCain travels the country every day talking to Americans who are hurting, feeling pain at the pump and worrying about how they'll pay their mortgage. That's why he has a realistic plan to deliver immediate relief at the gas pump, grow our economy and put Americans back to work."
The two statements - the first one issued to Politico and the one offered to the press list this morning - are diametrically different. And they seem to reflect recognition, by the McCain camp, that Gramm's remark on the economy is simply un-spinnable.
How can I trust "Politico" when they pull the first statement?
Thinkprogress picked it up as well.
IF I use Poltiico, it is usually Ben Smith's Blog. The rest... I dunno... Ben smith is a source that I can research and find backup's to what he is saying.
If you think for ONE minute that McCain didn't support him (and you cap, I know don't) then tell me, why did he say that shit (see the youtube) back in January?
Comment by Raine on 07/10/2008 19:58:12
Yes, and you should read this... from May.
Raine on 07/10/2008 19:58:12
Quote by capt:
We have to remember - Ken Lay was going to be our DOE Sec. if the Enron scandal didn't break.
Mrs. Gramm was on the Enron board (I think)
Yes, and you should read this... from May.
Comment by capt on 07/10/2008 20:03:41
Great piece - Thanks!
I don't mind if we have to storm the capital - some of these bastard people need to be held to account, waterboarded in the reflecting pond or stood up against a wall and shot!
It is our money and country, tradition and values they are stealing away.
AAARRRRGGGGHHHH!!!!
capt on 07/10/2008 20:03:41
Quote by Raine:Quote by capt:
We have to remember - Ken Lay was going to be our DOE Sec. if the Enron scandal didn't break.
Mrs. Gramm was on the Enron board (I think)
Yes, and you should read this... from May.
Great piece - Thanks!
I don't mind if we have to storm the capital - some of these bastard people need to be held to account, waterboarded in the reflecting pond or stood up against a wall and shot!
It is our money and country, tradition and values they are stealing away.
AAARRRRGGGGHHHH!!!!
Comment by Raine on 07/10/2008 20:07:07
Raine on 07/10/2008 20:07:07
Shhh... Capt... Random™ might think we are getting too serious and shit...
Random, you know I lerve ya, right? *tosses Cookie*
:rofl:
Random, you know I lerve ya, right? *tosses Cookie*
:rofl:
Comment by Raine on 07/10/2008 20:09:46
Raine on 07/10/2008 20:09:46
Hi Stan!!! (official lurker of Four Freedoms™ ) :boobs2:
Comment by capt on 07/10/2008 20:10:24
Not sure what you mean? "and you cap" is that capt? Did I post something that sounded like I think McCain or Phil didn't support each other?
capt on 07/10/2008 20:10:24
Quote by Raine:Quote by capt:
McCain Campaign Initially Stood By Gramm RemarksThe McCain campaign is working hard to distance itself from statements made by economic adviser Phil Gramm describing the current economic downturn as a "mental recession" and saying America had "sort of become a nation of whiners."
But in an initial statement published by Politico and then, seemingly, removed from its site, a McCain campaign aide actually stood by Gramm's remarks, saying the interview as a whole was merely meant as a preview of the Senator's economic agenda.
"Mr. Gramm was simply saying that we are laying out the economic plan this week," the piece quoted a "McCain official" as saying. "The plan is comprehensive, providing immediate near-term relief for Americans hurting today as well as longer-term solutions to get our economy back on track, secure our energy future and deliver jobs, prosperity and opportunity for the next generation. We're laying out that plan this week with an emphasis on the critical importance of job creation, and it's been a great success so far."
Only after the fallout from Gramm's statement did the McCain campaign fully backtrack.
"Phil Gramm's comments are not representative of John McCain's views," read a campaign statement. "John McCain travels the country every day talking to Americans who are hurting, feeling pain at the pump and worrying about how they'll pay their mortgage. That's why he has a realistic plan to deliver immediate relief at the gas pump, grow our economy and put Americans back to work."
The two statements - the first one issued to Politico and the one offered to the press list this morning - are diametrically different. And they seem to reflect recognition, by the McCain camp, that Gramm's remark on the economy is simply un-spinnable.
How can I trust "Politico" when they pull the first statement?
Thinkprogress picked it up as well.
IF I use Poltiico, it is usually Ben Smith's Blog. The rest... I dunno... Ben smith is a source that I can research and find backup's to what he is saying.
If you think for ONE minute that McCain didn't support him (and you cap, I know don't) then tell me, why did he say that shit (see the youtube) back in January?
Not sure what you mean? "and you cap" is that capt? Did I post something that sounded like I think McCain or Phil didn't support each other?
Comment by capt on 07/10/2008 20:12:32
capt on 07/10/2008 20:12:32
Gramm calls slowdown 'mental'
They changed this piece too? The bastards.
Roger Simon is Politico and there are issues with the source if they pull and change stories without editors notes as to how and why.
IMO
They changed this piece too? The bastards.
Roger Simon is Politico and there are issues with the source if they pull and change stories without editors notes as to how and why.
IMO
Comment by Raine on 07/10/2008 20:17:10
I meant to write *capt* not cap. I meant that I agree with you. I meant th atI was assuming that you and I both probably thought that McCain IS supporting Gramm. NO WAY in HELL that he isn't. Phil is still his economic Advisor. HE still works for Grandpa.
And between him and Charlie black... I think we know all we need to know about John McCain.
Raine on 07/10/2008 20:17:10
Quote by capt:Quote by Raine:Quote by capt:
McCain Campaign Initially Stood By Gramm RemarksThe McCain campaign is working hard to distance itself from statements made by economic adviser Phil Gramm describing the current economic downturn as a "mental recession" and saying America had "sort of become a nation of whiners."
But in an initial statement published by Politico and then, seemingly, removed from its site, a McCain campaign aide actually stood by Gramm's remarks, saying the interview as a whole was merely meant as a preview of the Senator's economic agenda.
"Mr. Gramm was simply saying that we are laying out the economic plan this week," the piece quoted a "McCain official" as saying. "The plan is comprehensive, providing immediate near-term relief for Americans hurting today as well as longer-term solutions to get our economy back on track, secure our energy future and deliver jobs, prosperity and opportunity for the next generation. We're laying out that plan this week with an emphasis on the critical importance of job creation, and it's been a great success so far."
Only after the fallout from Gramm's statement did the McCain campaign fully backtrack.
"Phil Gramm's comments are not representative of John McCain's views," read a campaign statement. "John McCain travels the country every day talking to Americans who are hurting, feeling pain at the pump and worrying about how they'll pay their mortgage. That's why he has a realistic plan to deliver immediate relief at the gas pump, grow our economy and put Americans back to work."
The two statements - the first one issued to Politico and the one offered to the press list this morning - are diametrically different. And they seem to reflect recognition, by the McCain camp, that Gramm's remark on the economy is simply un-spinnable.
How can I trust "Politico" when they pull the first statement?
Thinkprogress picked it up as well.
IF I use Poltiico, it is usually Ben Smith's Blog. The rest... I dunno... Ben smith is a source that I can research and find backup's to what he is saying.
If you think for ONE minute that McCain didn't support him (and you cap, I know don't) then tell me, why did he say that shit (see the youtube) back in January?
Not sure what you mean? "and you cap" is that capt? Did I post something that sounded like I think McCain or Phil didn't support each other?
I meant th atI was assuming that you and I both probably thought that McCain IS supporting Gramm. NO WAY in HELL that he isn't. Phil is still his economic Advisor. HE still works for Grandpa. And between him and Charlie black... I think we know all we need to know about John McCain.
Comment by capt on 07/10/2008 20:25:12
capt on 07/10/2008 20:25:12
Comment by livingonli on 07/10/2008 20:28:56
livingonli on 07/10/2008 20:28:56
capt, maybe you could be Captain America. (Steve Rogers lives)
Tri, I have the Reds beating the Cubs 10-5 right now on WGN.
Tri, I have the Reds beating the Cubs 10-5 right now on WGN.
Comment by Raine on 07/10/2008 20:29:17
Raine on 07/10/2008 20:29:17
The Original article. Screw it , I am posting it all here. CREDIT to the Washington Times:
Screw politico if they are trying to pretend this wasn't said or printed. There it is, in all its glory.
With the economy on the top of voters' minds, Republican presidential candidate John McCain's top economic adviser said the Arizona senator will lay down a detailed program to revive dynamic growth with dramatic tax and spending reforms.
In an interview with the Washington Times, Phil Gramm, a former Texas senator who is now vice chairman of UBS, the giant Swiss bank, said he expects Mr. McCain to inherit a sluggish economy if he wins the presidency, weighed down above all by the conviction of many Americans that economic conditions are the worst in two or three decades and that America is in decline.
"You've heard of mental depression; this is a mental recession," he said, noting that growth has held up at about 1 percent despite all the publicity over losing jobs to India, China, illegal immigration, housing and credit problems and record oil prices. "We may have a recession; we haven't had one yet."
"We have sort of become a nation of whiners," he said. "You just hear this constant whining, complaining about a loss of competitiveness, America in decline" despite a major export boom that is the primary reason that growth continues in the economy, he said.
"We've never been more dominant; we've never had more natural advantages than we have today," he said. "We have benefited greatly" from the globalization of the economy in the last 30 years.
Mr. Gramm said the constant drubbing of the media on the economy's problems is one reason people have lost confidence. Various surveys show that consumer confidence has fallen precipitously this year to the lowest levels in two to three decades, with most analysts attributing that to record high gasoline prices over $4 a gallon and big drops in the value of homes, which are consumers' biggest assets.
"Misery sells newspapers," Mr. Gramm said. "Thank God the economy is not as bad as you read in the newspaper every day."
Mr. McCain's economic program will seek to enliven growth by enabling taxpayers to opt into a new, simplified tax system with two low rates of 10 percent and 25 percent and no itemized deductions, he said.
Mr. McCain would tackle intransigent budget deficits by wrestling down burgeoning benefits programs and aggressively attacking wasteful spending whether it's in the Pentagon's procurement and weapons budget or congressional pork-barrel bills, he said.
A proven "instrument" of bipartisan reform and change in many areas, Mr. McCain would seek out Democratic leaders like Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada to fashion a bipartisan reform of Social Security.
Mr. Gramm said a bipartisan deal might include raising the retirement age to 70 over 30 years, indexing the benefits of wealthier retirees to inflation rather than the more generous wage rate, and creating a private account program for younger workers.
Mr. McCain, a Republican with a proven record of voting for spending cuts, will renew efforts to balance the budget through spending reforms, he said. "It will be popular with the public but hated in Washington."
Mr. McCain also will pursue immigration reforms that would start with effective border enforcement but include a possible doubling of legal immigration, including no limits on scientific and technical workers and a generous sized guest worker program, he said.
"The American story is a story of immigration," he said. "I would be the last person who would say immigrants are not important to America." Mr. Gramm noted that Albert Einstein was one prominent immigrant who might have been excluded under an anti-immigration regime.
Screw politico if they are trying to pretend this wasn't said or printed. There it is, in all its glory.
Comment by Random on 07/10/2008 20:30:37
Random on 07/10/2008 20:30:37
Random confused.
Comment by capt on 07/10/2008 20:33:30
capt on 07/10/2008 20:33:30
What they scrubbed was:
The McCain camp's original response.
I can't find that original anywhere. It was on Politico then poof gone . . .
We should hold non-M$M news sources to some standard, if McCain's camp stood by the comments then reversed course why has the media not published both just to show the flip to the flop?
UGH!
"Mr. Gramm was simply saying that we are laying out the economic plan this week," the piece quoted a "McCain official" as saying. "The plan is comprehensive, providing immediate near-term relief for Americans hurting today as well as longer-term solutions to get our economy back on track, secure our energy future and deliver jobs, prosperity and opportunity for the next generation. We're laying out that plan this week with an emphasis on the critical importance of job creation, and it's been a great success so far."
The McCain camp's original response.
I can't find that original anywhere. It was on Politico then poof gone . . .
We should hold non-M$M news sources to some standard, if McCain's camp stood by the comments then reversed course why has the media not published both just to show the flip to the flop?
UGH!
Comment by capt on 07/10/2008 20:38:20
Please no smote?
capt on 07/10/2008 20:38:20
Quote by Random:
Random confused.
Please no smote?
Comment by livingonli on 07/10/2008 20:39:30
livingonli on 07/10/2008 20:39:30
Politico overall has seemed a little too right-wing for an "objective" news site.
Comment by Random on 07/10/2008 20:40:13
Oh, no...Just watching Logopolis.
Random on 07/10/2008 20:40:13
Quote by capt:Quote by Random:
Random confused.
Please no smote?
Oh, no...Just watching Logopolis.
Comment by Random on 07/10/2008 20:40:20
Random on 07/10/2008 20:40:20
Comment by capt on 07/10/2008 20:48:15
I agree.
Then there is this?
FWIW
capt on 07/10/2008 20:48:15
Quote by livingonli:
Politico overall has seemed a little too right-wing for an "objective" news site.
I agree.
Then there is this?
On March 22, 2007, Politico writer Ben Smith erroneously reported via blog that John Edwards would suspend his presidential campaign in the wake of his wife's cancer recurrence, a claim that was headlined by the Drudge Report and cable news channels including MSNBC. Smith later apologized for relying on a single anonymous source for the story.
The source of funding and leadership in remaining neutral has been questioned by ties to the Reagan and Bush administrations
FWIW
Comment by Raine on 07/10/2008 20:55:10
Raine on 07/10/2008 20:55:10
OK, then I will more forcefully vet the Politico.
Comment by capt on 07/10/2008 20:55:54
In the olden days we used to scoff at British TV productions. I never got over it. It clouds my judgment. I have never watched Dr Who - obviously my loss.
capt on 07/10/2008 20:55:54
Quote by Random:Quote by capt:Quote by Random:
Random confused.
Please no smote?
Oh, no...Just watching Logopolis.
In the olden days we used to scoff at British TV productions. I never got over it. It clouds my judgment. I have never watched Dr Who - obviously my loss.
Comment by capt on 07/10/2008 21:15:53
capt on 07/10/2008 21:15:53
And when you think the "Yo Harper" and "Amigo" to Slivo was as bad as it gets?
There is this:
55 million Americans voted for this guy? The election was fixed, I have more respect for most Americans than to think they are that effin stoooopid.
There is this:
The American leader, who has been condemned throughout his presidency for failing to tackle climate change, ended a private meeting with the words: "Goodbye from the world's biggest polluter."
He then punched the air while grinning widely, as the rest of those present including Gordon Brown and Nicolas Sarkozy looked on in shock
55 million Americans voted for this guy? The election was fixed, I have more respect for most Americans than to think they are that effin stoooopid.
Comment by livingonli on 07/10/2008 21:27:19
So when people decide on who they want to have a beer with is who they want for President, we end up with a drunken frat boy as President who drives the country off the ditch and into the lake.
livingonli on 07/10/2008 21:27:19
Quote by capt:
And when you think the "Yo Harper" and "Amigo" to Slivo was as bad as it gets?
There is this:The American leader, who has been condemned throughout his presidency for failing to tackle climate change, ended a private meeting with the words: "Goodbye from the world's biggest polluter."
He then punched the air while grinning widely, as the rest of those present including Gordon Brown and Nicolas Sarkozy looked on in shock
55 million Americans voted for this guy? The election was fixed, I have more respect for most Americans than to think they are that effin stoooopid.
So when people decide on who they want to have a beer with is who they want for President, we end up with a drunken frat boy as President who drives the country off the ditch and into the lake.
Comment by capt on 07/10/2008 21:39:23
capt on 07/10/2008 21:39:23
From another blog:
Bush = Superneoconfratboy
Bush = Superneoconfratboy
Comment by capt on 07/10/2008 21:43:44
capt on 07/10/2008 21:43:44
Comment by BobR on 07/10/2008 21:49:21
I think most British TV is horrible. In the case of Monty Python, I think the crappy production values added to the humor, but that's the rare exception.
Dr. Who never held any interest for me either...
BobR on 07/10/2008 21:49:21
Quote by capt:
In the olden days we used to scoff at British TV productions. I never got over it. It clouds my judgment. I have never watched Dr Who - obviously my loss.
I think most British TV is horrible. In the case of Monty Python, I think the crappy production values added to the humor, but that's the rare exception.
Dr. Who never held any interest for me either...
Comment by BobR on 07/10/2008 21:50:44
Be careful using that metaphor... Some neocon will mention Ted Kennedy and Chappaquiddick...
BobR on 07/10/2008 21:50:44
Quote by livingonli:
So when people decide on who they want to have a beer with is who they want for President, we end up with a drunken frat boy as President who drives the country off the ditch and into the lake.
Be careful using that metaphor... Some neocon will mention Ted Kennedy and Chappaquiddick...
Comment by Random on 07/10/2008 21:59:19
I can see why, I was under the impression that the Original Star Trek looked bad, but seeing the this episode(from the early 80's) it looks about the same, quality wise.
That aside, it's interesting and different then Star Trek, but i still like Next Gen better.
Random on 07/10/2008 21:59:19
Quote by capt:Quote by Random:Quote by capt:Quote by Random:
Random confused.
Please no smote?
Oh, no...Just watching Logopolis.
In the olden days we used to scoff at British TV productions. I never got over it. It clouds my judgment. I have never watched Dr Who - obviously my loss.
That aside, it's interesting and different then Star Trek, but i still like Next Gen better.
Comment by Random on 07/10/2008 22:04:00
Production values do suck, but looking at it, the story, and concept is quite brilliant, very interesting, and of course, cycling out Doctors every 3 or 4 years (Except for the fourth, which i can argue is what ultimatly undid the show's original run) kept the main character interesting and dynamically changing.
I find it funny now to find out that a time lord only has 12 reincarnations. I wonder if those in charge now will find a loophole for that, now that they've got only two past Tennant to play the doctor.
Random on 07/10/2008 22:04:00
Quote by BobR:Quote by capt:
In the olden days we used to scoff at British TV productions. I never got over it. It clouds my judgment. I have never watched Dr Who - obviously my loss.
I think most British TV is horrible. In the case of Monty Python, I think the crappy production values added to the humor, but that's the rare exception.
Dr. Who never held any interest for me either...
Production values do suck, but looking at it, the story, and concept is quite brilliant, very interesting, and of course, cycling out Doctors every 3 or 4 years (Except for the fourth, which i can argue is what ultimatly undid the show's original run) kept the main character interesting and dynamically changing.
I find it funny now to find out that a time lord only has 12 reincarnations. I wonder if those in charge now will find a loophole for that, now that they've got only two past Tennant to play the doctor.
Comment by Raine on 07/10/2008 22:04:07
Raine on 07/10/2008 22:04:07
:lol: <--- :sarcasm:
the AP news (listening to the radio) is reporting how sharply McCain is breaking from Gramm... who is STILL is in his employ, along with Charlie Black... who, btw, thinks another attack would be GREAT for the McCain campaign.
Where the FUCK is the media on this? When will McCain fire Black and Gramm?
the AP news (listening to the radio) is reporting how sharply McCain is breaking from Gramm... who is STILL is in his employ, along with Charlie Black... who, btw, thinks another attack would be GREAT for the McCain campaign.
Where the FUCK is the media on this? When will McCain fire Black and Gramm?
Comment by capt on 07/10/2008 22:05:00
You have to put into perspective when the original Star Trek was new colored tv wasn't that old. Many of the shows at the time were reruns of B/W tv - some of the older stuff was very rough. It made the stuff on Star Trek groundbreaking. At the time it was very hip and cool - state of the art . . . seems funny now.
Ah, the memories.
capt on 07/10/2008 22:05:00
Quote by Random:I can see why, I was under the impression that the Original Star Trek looked bad, but seeing the this episode(from the early 80's) it looks about the same, quality wise.Quote by capt:Quote by Random:Quote by capt:Quote by Random:
Random confused.
Please no smote?
Oh, no...Just watching Logopolis.
In the olden days we used to scoff at British TV productions. I never got over it. It clouds my judgment. I have never watched Dr Who - obviously my loss.
That aside, it's interesting and different then Star Trek, but i still like Next Gen better.
You have to put into perspective when the original Star Trek was new colored tv wasn't that old. Many of the shows at the time were reruns of B/W tv - some of the older stuff was very rough. It made the stuff on Star Trek groundbreaking. At the time it was very hip and cool - state of the art . . . seems funny now.
Ah, the memories.
Comment by livingonli on 07/10/2008 22:06:44
Oops.
I didn't think of that.
Well, Bush certainly has dragged this country to the brink of hell. It was interesting listening to Randi talking about the right-winger who ranted about all the tyrannical things that Clinton would do as President, but it turns out Bush was the one who did them. It's OK as long as you're a Republican.
livingonli on 07/10/2008 22:06:44
Quote by BobR:Quote by livingonli:
So when people decide on who they want to have a beer with is who they want for President, we end up with a drunken frat boy as President who drives the country off the ditch and into the lake.
Be careful using that metaphor... Some neocon will mention Ted Kennedy and Chappaquiddick...
Oops.
I didn't think of that. Well, Bush certainly has dragged this country to the brink of hell. It was interesting listening to Randi talking about the right-winger who ranted about all the tyrannical things that Clinton would do as President, but it turns out Bush was the one who did them. It's OK as long as you're a Republican.
Comment by capt on 07/10/2008 22:07:19
The "media" are out getting some donuts with sprinkles for the maverick!!
capt on 07/10/2008 22:07:19
Quote by Raine:
:lol: <--- :sarcasm:
the AP news (listening to the radio) is reporting how sharply McCain is breaking from Gramm... who is STILL is in his employ, along with Charlie Black... who, btw, thinks another attack would be GREAT for the McCain campaign.
Where the FUCK is the media on this? When will McCain fire Black and Gramm?
The "media" are out getting some donuts with sprinkles for the maverick!!
Comment by capt on 07/10/2008 22:10:02
capt on 07/10/2008 22:10:02
Dennis Kucinich he's our man, if he can't do it no one can!
Comment by Random on 07/10/2008 22:10:17
Oh, I know that, it was good for it's time, and even for it's content it was ahead of it's time, along with it's propused content, which was forced to be removed by the network.
That aside, i still find it funny that a show 20 years later has the exact same production values.
But now, the BBC actually seems to have caught up a bit, sure some of the New Doctor monsters look cheezy, but most of it's not bad.
I'm rambling, aren't i?
Random on 07/10/2008 22:10:17
Quote by capt:Quote by Random:I can see why, I was under the impression that the Original Star Trek looked bad, but seeing the this episode(from the early 80's) it looks about the same, quality wise.Quote by capt:Quote by Random:Quote by capt:Quote by Random:
Random confused.
Please no smote?
Oh, no...Just watching Logopolis.
In the olden days we used to scoff at British TV productions. I never got over it. It clouds my judgment. I have never watched Dr Who - obviously my loss.
That aside, it's interesting and different then Star Trek, but i still like Next Gen better.
You have to put into perspective when the original Star Trek was new colored tv wasn't that old. Many of the shows at the time were reruns of B/W tv - some of the older stuff was very rough. It made the stuff on Star Trek groundbreaking. At the time it was very hip and cool - state of the art . . . seems funny now.
Ah, the memories.
Oh, I know that, it was good for it's time, and even for it's content it was ahead of it's time, along with it's propused content, which was forced to be removed by the network.
That aside, i still find it funny that a show 20 years later has the exact same production values.
But now, the BBC actually seems to have caught up a bit, sure some of the New Doctor monsters look cheezy, but most of it's not bad.
I'm rambling, aren't i?
Comment by livingonli on 07/10/2008 22:11:38
Actually, it's 12 regenerations so it's 13 lives. Then again, in the Keeper of Traken, the Master mentioned that he was in his final regeneration but he used some stolen properties to cheat that final death.
livingonli on 07/10/2008 22:11:38
Quote by Random:Quote by BobR:Quote by capt:
In the olden days we used to scoff at British TV productions. I never got over it. It clouds my judgment. I have never watched Dr Who - obviously my loss.
I think most British TV is horrible. In the case of Monty Python, I think the crappy production values added to the humor, but that's the rare exception.
Dr. Who never held any interest for me either...
Production values do suck, but looking at it, the story, and concept is quite brilliant, very interesting, and of course, cycling out Doctors every 3 or 4 years (Except for the fourth, which i can argue is what ultimatly undid the show's original run) kept the main character interesting and dynamically changing.
I find it funny now to find out that a time lord only has 12 reincarnations. I wonder if those in charge now will find a loophole for that, now that they've got only two past Tennant to play the doctor.
Actually, it's 12 regenerations so it's 13 lives. Then again, in the Keeper of Traken, the Master mentioned that he was in his final regeneration but he used some stolen properties to cheat that final death.
Comment by Random on 07/10/2008 22:12:10
ugh...
Random on 07/10/2008 22:12:10
Quote by capt:
Dennis Kucinich he's our man, if he can't do it no one can!
ugh...
Comment by capt on 07/10/2008 22:13:53
capt on 07/10/2008 22:13:53
Rambling is good!
And I agree - the fact is most all of TV is pretty cheesy. One trip to Universal Studios Tour and I was wrecked for most "effects".
TV is still entertaining. Shows never have to be stellar to hook interest. I have loved some pretty bad shows.
And I agree - the fact is most all of TV is pretty cheesy. One trip to Universal Studios Tour and I was wrecked for most "effects".
TV is still entertaining. Shows never have to be stellar to hook interest. I have loved some pretty bad shows.
Comment by Random on 07/10/2008 22:15:32
really? i took it as 12 lives, i messed up.
And he cheated death by stealing another body, which aparently the Keeper could do...who knew. I doubt that the Doctor would do that anyway if he had the power.
Money says it would be some convoluted thing about having absorbed Time Lord Energy through the Time War that has allowed him to reginerate past his 12th.
Random on 07/10/2008 22:15:32
Quote by livingonli:Quote by Random:Quote by BobR:Quote by capt:
In the olden days we used to scoff at British TV productions. I never got over it. It clouds my judgment. I have never watched Dr Who - obviously my loss.
I think most British TV is horrible. In the case of Monty Python, I think the crappy production values added to the humor, but that's the rare exception.
Dr. Who never held any interest for me either...
Production values do suck, but looking at it, the story, and concept is quite brilliant, very interesting, and of course, cycling out Doctors every 3 or 4 years (Except for the fourth, which i can argue is what ultimatly undid the show's original run) kept the main character interesting and dynamically changing.
I find it funny now to find out that a time lord only has 12 reincarnations. I wonder if those in charge now will find a loophole for that, now that they've got only two past Tennant to play the doctor.
Actually, it's 12 regenerations so it's 13 lives. Then again, in the Keeper of Traken, the Master mentioned that he was in his final regeneration but he used some stolen properties to cheat that final death.
really? i took it as 12 lives, i messed up.
And he cheated death by stealing another body, which aparently the Keeper could do...who knew. I doubt that the Doctor would do that anyway if he had the power.
Money says it would be some convoluted thing about having absorbed Time Lord Energy through the Time War that has allowed him to reginerate past his 12th.
Comment by capt on 07/10/2008 22:17:01
capt on 07/10/2008 22:17:01
More gallows humor?
McCain is a scary little guy.
McCain is a scary little guy.
Comment by Random on 07/10/2008 22:17:34
*coughsStarTrekcough*
I kid, I kid.
Personally I'm hooked on just about any Murder Mystery show on TV. EXCEPT CSI! God, i hate that show.
That and Heroes and House.
Random on 07/10/2008 22:17:34
Quote by capt:
Rambling is good!
And I agree - the fact is most all of TV is pretty cheesy. One trip to Universal Studios Tour and I was wrecked for most "effects".
TV is still entertaining. Shows never have to be stellar to hook interest. I have loved some pretty bad shows.
I kid, I kid.
Personally I'm hooked on just about any Murder Mystery show on TV. EXCEPT CSI! God, i hate that show.
That and Heroes and House.
Comment by capt on 07/10/2008 22:24:40
capt on 07/10/2008 22:24:40
As McCain Disavows Gramm, a Top Aide Implies Gramm Partly To Blame for the Economy
McCain and his camp are all over the map? I love it when they eat their own.
McCain and his camp are all over the map? I love it when they eat their own.
Comment by livingonli on 07/10/2008 22:25:47
He was promised a new life cycle by the Time Lords in The Five Doctors for assisting the Doctors in the Death Zone but I don't think they followed through on it since he was playing it for his own advantage.
livingonli on 07/10/2008 22:25:47
Quote by Random:Quote by livingonli:Quote by Random:Quote by BobR:Quote by capt:
In the olden days we used to scoff at British TV productions. I never got over it. It clouds my judgment. I have never watched Dr Who - obviously my loss.
I think most British TV is horrible. In the case of Monty Python, I think the crappy production values added to the humor, but that's the rare exception.
Dr. Who never held any interest for me either...
Production values do suck, but looking at it, the story, and concept is quite brilliant, very interesting, and of course, cycling out Doctors every 3 or 4 years (Except for the fourth, which i can argue is what ultimatly undid the show's original run) kept the main character interesting and dynamically changing.
I find it funny now to find out that a time lord only has 12 reincarnations. I wonder if those in charge now will find a loophole for that, now that they've got only two past Tennant to play the doctor.
Actually, it's 12 regenerations so it's 13 lives. Then again, in the Keeper of Traken, the Master mentioned that he was in his final regeneration but he used some stolen properties to cheat that final death.
really? i took it as 12 lives, i messed up.
And he cheated death by stealing another body, which aparently the Keeper could do...who knew. I doubt that the Doctor would do that anyway if he had the power.
Money says it would be some convoluted thing about having absorbed Time Lord Energy through the Time War that has allowed him to reginerate past his 12th.
He was promised a new life cycle by the Time Lords in The Five Doctors for assisting the Doctors in the Death Zone but I don't think they followed through on it since he was playing it for his own advantage.
Comment by BobR on 07/10/2008 22:30:21
BobR on 07/10/2008 22:30:21
There are very few shows I watch with any regularity any more, except Countdown with KO, Simpsons, and Family Guy (and Lost, when it's on).
Oh - and South Park and Squidbillies, although I tend to be hit or miss with South Park, and Squid is only 15 minutes long.
I hate to feel tied to a TV show - I'd rather watch movies or play music or surf the internet.
Oh - and South Park and Squidbillies, although I tend to be hit or miss with South Park, and Squid is only 15 minutes long.
I hate to feel tied to a TV show - I'd rather watch movies or play music or surf the internet.
Comment by Random on 07/10/2008 22:31:27
Which reminds me, i'm going to have save cash for the new version they're putting out there, Tennant is doing a part in the commentary. And it was the Five Doctors that probably ruined Tom Baker for me.
Random on 07/10/2008 22:31:27
Quote by livingonli:Quote by Random:Quote by livingonli:Quote by Random:Quote by BobR:Quote by capt:
In the olden days we used to scoff at British TV productions. I never got over it. It clouds my judgment. I have never watched Dr Who - obviously my loss.
I think most British TV is horrible. In the case of Monty Python, I think the crappy production values added to the humor, but that's the rare exception.
Dr. Who never held any interest for me either...
Production values do suck, but looking at it, the story, and concept is quite brilliant, very interesting, and of course, cycling out Doctors every 3 or 4 years (Except for the fourth, which i can argue is what ultimatly undid the show's original run) kept the main character interesting and dynamically changing.
I find it funny now to find out that a time lord only has 12 reincarnations. I wonder if those in charge now will find a loophole for that, now that they've got only two past Tennant to play the doctor.
Actually, it's 12 regenerations so it's 13 lives. Then again, in the Keeper of Traken, the Master mentioned that he was in his final regeneration but he used some stolen properties to cheat that final death.
really? i took it as 12 lives, i messed up.
And he cheated death by stealing another body, which aparently the Keeper could do...who knew. I doubt that the Doctor would do that anyway if he had the power.
Money says it would be some convoluted thing about having absorbed Time Lord Energy through the Time War that has allowed him to reginerate past his 12th.
He was promised a new life cycle by the Time Lords in The Five Doctors for assisting the Doctors in the Death Zone but I don't think they followed through on it since he was playing it for his own advantage.
Which reminds me, i'm going to have save cash for the new version they're putting out there, Tennant is doing a part in the commentary. And it was the Five Doctors that probably ruined Tom Baker for me.
Comment by capt on 07/10/2008 22:36:31
I must have ADD or ADHD but I can't sit through much. Joy has a few of her favorites (that I dislike) so I go out to the garage and smoke a cig or putzy.
We are Trebekians, Simpsonians, and a couple of others.
I love the science and history/discovery channel stuff. It rocks in HDTV.
capt on 07/10/2008 22:36:31
Quote by BobR:
There are very few shows I watch with any regularity any more, except Countdown with KO, Simpsons, and Family Guy (and Lost, when it's on).
Oh - and South Park and Squidbillies, although I tend to be hit or miss with South Park, and Squid is only 15 minutes long.
I hate to feel tied to a TV show - I'd rather watch movies or play music or surf the internet.
I must have ADD or ADHD but I can't sit through much. Joy has a few of her favorites (that I dislike) so I go out to the garage and smoke a cig or putzy.
We are Trebekians, Simpsonians, and a couple of others.
I love the science and history/discovery channel stuff. It rocks in HDTV.
Comment by Random on 07/10/2008 22:42:44
Random on 07/10/2008 22:42:44
TV's great, course i'm addicted to stories, and TV can tell some quite deep stories, if given the chance, they've got more time to do a story than other mediums.
Comment by Raine on 07/10/2008 22:58:32
Raine on 07/10/2008 22:58:32
I could use some help.
Copy and paste this question and email it. I do not care HOW you get the answers, but I would love input from America.
Or... you can ask people to join the MB. It is an honest question.
Copy and paste this question and email it. I do not care HOW you get the answers, but I would love input from America.
Or... you can ask people to join the MB. It is an honest question.
Comment by Random on 07/10/2008 23:05:47
Random on 07/10/2008 23:05:47
I think i like Peter Davison better then Baker.
Comment by Raine on 07/10/2008 23:06:51
Yeah... Sprinkles for the Maverick...
Media needs to wake up...
Obama will be the first man elected in the past 25 years WITHOUT the help of M$M...
The intertubes are PAYING attention.
Raine on 07/10/2008 23:06:51
Quote by capt:Quote by Raine:
:lol: <--- :sarcasm:
the AP news (listening to the radio) is reporting how sharply McCain is breaking from Gramm... who is STILL is in his employ, along with Charlie Black... who, btw, thinks another attack would be GREAT for the McCain campaign.
Where the FUCK is the media on this? When will McCain fire Black and Gramm?
The "media" are out getting some donuts with sprinkles for the maverick!!
Yeah... Sprinkles for the Maverick...
Media needs to wake up...
Obama will be the first man elected in the past 25 years WITHOUT the help of M$M...
The intertubes are PAYING attention.
Comment by m-hadley on 07/10/2008 23:10:48
I've got one thing to say to Mr. Gramm:
Okay, maybe two things:
Cheers,
mfaye
:heart:
m-hadley on 07/10/2008 23:10:48
Quote by Raine:McCain't shoots back... badly. (Sorry to keep quoting myself, I just want the entire context here in all it's glory)Quote by Raine:And now that McCain is trying to distance himself from Dr. Phil's comments...Quote by Raine:Obama Responds today, in Fairfax Virginia:Quote by Raine:
Milk prices aren't rising... your savings account isn't really shrinking. Gas costs aren't the problem... you don't HAVE to worry anymore... Phil Gramm says it's ALL in your head...Former Sen. Phil Gramm, a top economic adviser to presumptive GOP nominee John McCain, referred to the economic slowdown as "a mental recession" and called the United States “a nation of whiners.”
So quitcher whining ya big cry baby.Well, you know, America already has one Dr. Phil. When it comes to the economy, we don't need another.
Let’s be clear, when people are struggling with the rising costs of everything from gas to groceries, when we’ve lost 438,000 jobs over the past six months, when typical families have seen their incomes fall nearly $1,000 since 2000, this economic downturn isn’t in our heads. It isn’t whining to ask for more than just psychological relief.
And I think it’s time we had a President who doesn’t deny our problems – or blame the American people for them – but takes responsibility and provides the leadership to solve them. That’s the kind of President I will be.
:clap: :gobama:
From JANUARY of this year, I present Grandpa:
From MSNBC::waiting: REALLY Grandpa?? you sure about that?McCain slammed economic adviser Phil Gramm for his “mental recession” and “nation of whiners” comment. He said he didn’t agree with him and even proposed a position in a McCain administration -- ambassador to Belarus, “though I’m not sure the citizens of Minsk would welcome that,” McCain said.
“I don’t agree with Sen. Gramm,” McCain said at a news conference this afternoon. “I believe that the person here in Michigan who just lost their job, isn’t suffering from a ‘mental recession.’ The mother here who is trying to get enough money to feed her children, isn’t ‘whining.’”
“Phil Gramm doesn’t speak for me, I speak for me. I strongly disagree,” McCain continued, speaking of the man who some speculated could be Treasury Secretary in a McCain administration.
McCain has used the word “psychological” to describe on the country’s problems, leaving some to connect dots. But McCain rebuffed that and Obama’s mocking criticism, calling Gramm a “Dr. Phil” that’s not needed for this economy.
“You’re talking about Dr. Phil,” McCain said, adding about Obama, “He’s Dr. No. He’s Dr. No on energy. McCain then ticked off the energy proposals in which he and Obama disagree on implementing. “My response is I speak for me. … He’s Dr. No.”
I've got one thing to say to Mr. Gramm:
Okay, maybe two things: Cheers,
mfaye
:heart:
Comment by capt on 07/10/2008 23:19:17
The press has failed. Who exposes deception in government? The Internet and the bloggosphere. We are the "media" now - expecting the cable news or corporate media to fix themselves is too optimistic. There is little or no profit in the truth, worse the truth laid bare is actually not something people will pay for. Truth is ugly and it can hurt as our heroes and role models failings are exposed, the truth is threatening when it exposes the broken and failing institutions and systems we rely on. But the truth is real and it doesn't care if we like it or if it is profitable. . .
capt on 07/10/2008 23:19:17
"The Press was protected so that it could bare the secrets of the government and inform the people. Only a free and unrestrained press can effectively expose deception in government. And paramount among the responsibilities of a free press is the duty to prevent any part of the government from deceiving the people."
~ Justice Hugo L. Black - (1886-1971) US Supreme Court Justice - Source: New York Times v. Unites States (Pentagon Papers) 1971
The press has failed. Who exposes deception in government? The Internet and the bloggosphere. We are the "media" now - expecting the cable news or corporate media to fix themselves is too optimistic. There is little or no profit in the truth, worse the truth laid bare is actually not something people will pay for. Truth is ugly and it can hurt as our heroes and role models failings are exposed, the truth is threatening when it exposes the broken and failing institutions and systems we rely on. But the truth is real and it doesn't care if we like it or if it is profitable. . .
The truth that survives is the lie that it is pleasantest to believe.
~ H L Mencken
Comment by Random on 07/10/2008 23:20:41
Random on 07/10/2008 23:20:41
Now...™
Comment by capt on 07/10/2008 23:23:38
capt on 07/10/2008 23:23:38
Comment by Shane-O on 07/10/2008 23:24:15
Shane-O on 07/10/2008 23:24:15
Bob - the Wedding Procession is not available for download anywhere! Does anyone out there have an .mp3 of the whole piece???
Comment by capt on 07/10/2008 23:25:37
capt on 07/10/2008 23:25:37
Comment by Random on 07/10/2008 23:29:20
Random on 07/10/2008 23:29:20
wish i knew how to do some of that fancy loading of sound files onto them fancy download sites.
Comment by capt on 07/10/2008 23:34:09
capt on 07/10/2008 23:34:09
Here, I'm d-loading the whole album from another site - the wedding procession is 1.32 so a little more to work with . . .
Bear with me for a bit. (Making dinner too so multitasking)
Bear with me for a bit. (Making dinner too so multitasking)
Comment by Shane-O on 07/10/2008 23:35:06
Yeah - I thought that one was it too - bought it - not it. That's the "New Cast" recording (and it's a totally different orchestral piece) -- looking for the original soundtrack John Williams conducting, Isaac Stern on violin "Wedding Procession" - iTunes, Amazon, Rhapsody, Yahoo - seems none of the sites have it....
Shane-O on 07/10/2008 23:35:06
Quote by capt:
.99 cents?
http://www.amazon.com/Wedding-Procession/dp/B000XXOGTA
Yeah - I thought that one was it too - bought it - not it. That's the "New Cast" recording (and it's a totally different orchestral piece) -- looking for the original soundtrack John Williams conducting, Isaac Stern on violin "Wedding Procession" - iTunes, Amazon, Rhapsody, Yahoo - seems none of the sites have it....
Comment by Random on 07/10/2008 23:39:12
Random on 07/10/2008 23:39:12
Random also wishes he was relevant.
Comment by Shane-O on 07/10/2008 23:41:31
That sounds perfect - and 1:32 is great!
Random - you are relevant - and loved... (awkward man-hug)
Shane-O on 07/10/2008 23:41:31
Quote by capt:
Here, I'm d-loading the whole album from another site - the wedding procession is 1.32 so a little more to work with . . .
Bear with me for a bit. (Making dinner too so multitasking)
Random - you are relevant - and loved... (awkward man-hug)
Comment by Random on 07/10/2008 23:42:51
Random on 07/10/2008 23:42:51
Shane-O just say to make Random feel good.
Random knows he is just weird kid with no life.
Random knows he is just weird kid with no life.
Comment by livingonli on 07/10/2008 23:43:34
Interesting note is that Tom Baker refused to do the Five Doctors because he felt typecast after doing the show for 7 years. His "appearance" in that episode is via a clip from the un-aired episode Shada (which was never completed due to a BBC Technicians strike). The original script supposedly was going to have Tom Baker in the final confrontation instead of Peter Davison. I think it was also around that time that Tom Baker became an alcoholic.
livingonli on 07/10/2008 23:43:34
Quote by Random:
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Which reminds me, i'm going to have save cash for the new version they're putting out there, Tennant is doing a part in the commentary. And it was the Five Doctors that probably ruined Tom Baker for me.
Interesting note is that Tom Baker refused to do the Five Doctors because he felt typecast after doing the show for 7 years. His "appearance" in that episode is via a clip from the un-aired episode Shada (which was never completed due to a BBC Technicians strike). The original script supposedly was going to have Tom Baker in the final confrontation instead of Peter Davison. I think it was also around that time that Tom Baker became an alcoholic.
Comment by Random on 07/10/2008 23:46:27
Tom Baker supposidly has expressed regret for not doing it, and oddly, i think Davison should have done the final confrontation, being the newest reincarnation.
And an interesting Sidenote, Shada was remade into a web-exclusive episode staring Paul McGann as the Eighth Doctor.
Random on 07/10/2008 23:46:27
Quote by livingonli:Quote by Random:
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Which reminds me, i'm going to have save cash for the new version they're putting out there, Tennant is doing a part in the commentary. And it was the Five Doctors that probably ruined Tom Baker for me.
Interesting note is that Tom Baker refused to do the Five Doctors because he felt typecast after doing the show for 7 years. His "appearance" in that episode is via a clip from the un-aired episode Shada (which was never completed due to a BBC Technicians strike). The original script supposedly was going to have Tom Baker in the final confrontation instead of Peter Davison. I think it was also around that time that Tom Baker became an alcoholic.
Tom Baker supposidly has expressed regret for not doing it, and oddly, i think Davison should have done the final confrontation, being the newest reincarnation.
And an interesting Sidenote, Shada was remade into a web-exclusive episode staring Paul McGann as the Eighth Doctor.
Comment by Random on 07/10/2008 23:51:03
Random on 07/10/2008 23:51:03
On another side-note, I really want a true multi-doctor story with Tennant. (He is my fav Doctor...being that i only really know two...and i hate Eccelston...and rose...*grumbles*) Not just that Time-Crash mini-episode.
Unfortunatly, probably only McGann and Ecceleston are the only ones that probably look well enough to be in that episode, as well as 1-3 being dead. O.o
Unfortunatly, probably only McGann and Ecceleston are the only ones that probably look well enough to be in that episode, as well as 1-3 being dead. O.o
Comment by Shane-O on 07/10/2008 23:52:09
Not true - and even if you are a "weird kid with no life" (I borrowed your phrase as Shane-O doesn't know Random personally) - that doesn't mean you aren't relevant and loved...
Shane-O on 07/10/2008 23:52:09
Quote by Random:
Shane-O just say to make Random feel good.
Random knows he is just weird kid with no life.
Comment by Random on 07/10/2008 23:55:06
2 things.
One, i never said i wasn't loved. Just not relevant, meaning little impact, and at this stage in my life, i do have little impact...I hope to one day have large impact, but not yet.
two, i really don't have a life, for christ sakes, i'm sitting here, at 20, talking about politics and Doctor Who, instead of getting out there with friends, trying to get...O.o Almost said to much.
Random on 07/10/2008 23:55:06
Quote by Shane-O:Not true - and even if you are a "weird kid with no life" (I borrowed your phrase as Shane-O doesn't know Random personally) - that doesn't mean you aren't relevant and loved...Quote by Random:
Shane-O just say to make Random feel good.
Random knows he is just weird kid with no life.
2 things.
One, i never said i wasn't loved. Just not relevant, meaning little impact, and at this stage in my life, i do have little impact...I hope to one day have large impact, but not yet.
two, i really don't have a life, for christ sakes, i'm sitting here, at 20, talking about politics and Doctor Who, instead of getting out there with friends, trying to get...O.o Almost said to much.
Comment by capt on 07/11/2008 00:01:25
capt on 07/11/2008 00:01:25
Changed back to Amazon - the other wanted $20 bucks!
Now I have the Mp3?
How or where do I send it?
Now I have the Mp3?
How or where do I send it?
Comment by capt on 07/11/2008 00:04:01
capt on 07/11/2008 00:04:01
Send me an email at captkjl2@msn.com and I can attach it in a reply?
Comment by Shane-O on 07/11/2008 00:10:57
Sent - I don't know how you found it - but I'm glad you did! Thanks, Capt!
Shane-O on 07/11/2008 00:10:57
Quote by capt:
Send me an email at captkjl2@msn.com and I can attach it in a reply?
Comment by livingonli on 07/11/2008 00:13:35
livingonli on 07/11/2008 00:13:35
And I'm spending my nights off curled up in front of the tube, so what kind of life do I have?
Comment by Random on 07/11/2008 00:14:55
Random on 07/11/2008 00:14:55
dunno Liv...but you've done stuff, right?
Comment by capt on 07/11/2008 00:22:05
The first one is not the right one, I'm sure - I'm sending a second one - 10MB so it is slow going up from my machine . . .
capt on 07/11/2008 00:22:05
Quote by Shane-O:Sent - I don't know how you found it - but I'm glad you did! Thanks, Capt!Quote by capt:
Send me an email at captkjl2@msn.com and I can attach it in a reply?
The first one is not the right one, I'm sure - I'm sending a second one - 10MB so it is slow going up from my machine . . .
Comment by Random on 07/11/2008 00:23:01
Random on 07/11/2008 00:23:01
*beep*
Please excuse Random™'s moodiness. He has now gone into sugar shock, and will return shortly...Thank you.
*beep*
Please excuse Random™'s moodiness. He has now gone into sugar shock, and will return shortly...Thank you.
*beep*
Comment by livingonli on 07/11/2008 00:27:54
True, but as I get older and with me working most nights I guess I'm not into going out so much. If I do go out, it is to go hang out with some friends when we can get together which is tricky when we all have screwy schedules.
livingonli on 07/11/2008 00:27:54
Quote by Random:
dunno Liv...but you've done stuff, right?
True, but as I get older and with me working most nights I guess I'm not into going out so much. If I do go out, it is to go hang out with some friends when we can get together which is tricky when we all have screwy schedules.
Comment by Shane-O on 07/11/2008 00:31:31
Shane-O on 07/11/2008 00:31:31
Capt - I got both of the .mp3's you sent -- and I think we both got duped into buying the New Cast versions Jerry Bock is now $ .99 x 4 richer...
Thanks so much for trying!
Jerry Bock is now $ .99 x 4 richer...Thanks so much for trying!
Comment by Random on 07/11/2008 00:32:58
eh...I suppose...I just feel depressed sometimes.
Random on 07/11/2008 00:32:58
Quote by livingonli:Quote by Random:
dunno Liv...but you've done stuff, right?
True, but as I get older and with me working most nights I guess I'm not into going out so much. If I do go out, it is to go hang out with some friends when we can get together which is tricky when we all have screwy schedules.
eh...I suppose...I just feel depressed sometimes.
Comment by livingonli on 07/11/2008 00:35:57
livingonli on 07/11/2008 00:35:57
Rachel is the best substitute for Keith that the show has had.
Comment by BobR on 07/11/2008 00:41:32
So I'm guessing the free snippet on Amazon isn't long enough?
Can you loop it?
BobR on 07/11/2008 00:41:32
Quote by Shane-O:
Bob - the Wedding Procession is not available for download anywhere! Does anyone out there have an .mp3 of the whole piece???
So I'm guessing the free snippet on Amazon isn't long enough?
Can you loop it?
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/11/2008 00:42:07
Mondobubba on 07/11/2008 00:42:07
Evening all. Dinner eaten, cat lodged on chest. All is good.
Comment by BobR on 07/11/2008 00:42:22
BobR on 07/11/2008 00:42:22
Comment by Raine on 07/11/2008 00:45:16
No one ever said the Fourth Estate was a fixed Idea... It was a great idea... but never a fixed one.
And I will propose to you that all social movements start at the fringe...
The original 4th estate has been bought and paid for...
But those that bought and paid for it never thought that the Internet would come along... Thus. we need to keep these interwebs free and available for all.
It is the Estate that WILL replace the failed Fourth Estate. call it whatever you may. :peace:
Raine on 07/11/2008 00:45:16
Quote by capt:"The Press was protected so that it could bare the secrets of the government and inform the people. Only a free and unrestrained press can effectively expose deception in government. And paramount among the responsibilities of a free press is the duty to prevent any part of the government from deceiving the people."
~ Justice Hugo L. Black - (1886-1971) US Supreme Court Justice - Source: New York Times v. Unites States (Pentagon Papers) 1971
The press has failed. Who exposes deception in government? The Internet and the bloggosphere. We are the "media" now - expecting the cable news or corporate media to fix themselves is too optimistic. There is little or no profit in the truth, worse the truth laid bare is actually not something people will pay for. Truth is ugly and it can hurt as our heroes and role models failings are exposed, the truth is threatening when it exposes the broken and failing institutions and systems we rely on. But the truth is real and it doesn't care if we like it or if it is profitable. . .The truth that survives is the lie that it is pleasantest to believe.
~ H L Mencken
And I will propose to you that all social movements start at the fringe...
The original 4th estate has been bought and paid for...But those that bought and paid for it never thought that the Internet would come along... Thus. we need to keep these interwebs free and available for all.
It is the Estate that WILL replace the failed Fourth Estate. call it whatever you may. :peace:
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/11/2008 00:47:25
Mondobubba on 07/11/2008 00:47:25
Ah crap I need to cancel all my plans for tomorrow, grab the tent, cot and sleeping bag and hightail it to the Apple Store and camp out to get my 3G iPhone! :consumer lust:
Yes this was dry :sarcasm:
Yes this was dry :sarcasm:
Comment by BobR on 07/11/2008 00:51:41
For my money (which is to say: free), the most politically unbiased news organizations are the overseas sites. I have plenty of favorite news sites, but I know they are biased left. Surprisingly, the Christian Science Monitior is fairly neutral as well.
BobR on 07/11/2008 00:51:41
Quote by Raine:
No one ever said the Fourth Estate was a fixed Idea... It was a great idea... but never a fixed one.
And I will propose to you that all social movements start at the fringe...
But those that bought and paid for it never thought that the Internet would come along... Thus. we need to keep these interwebs free and available for all.
It is the Estate that WILL replace the failed Fourth Estate. call it whatever you may. :peace:
For my money (which is to say: free), the most politically unbiased news organizations are the overseas sites. I have plenty of favorite news sites, but I know they are biased left. Surprisingly, the Christian Science Monitior is fairly neutral as well.
Comment by Shane-O on 07/11/2008 00:53:23
I tried like crazy - but with the fade-in and fade-out - only about 20 seconds. Capt is on the case too. I may just have to break down and go buy the original soundtrack CD over at Barnes and Noble before they close tonight (if they have it). Seems so foreign to me though - buying a whole CD... iTunes and your bretheren - you failed me!!!!
Shane-O on 07/11/2008 00:53:23
Quote by BobR:Quote by Shane-O:
Bob - the Wedding Procession is not available for download anywhere! Does anyone out there have an .mp3 of the whole piece???
So I'm guessing the free snippet on Amazon isn't long enough?
Can you loop it?
Comment by Random on 07/11/2008 00:54:55
Random on 07/11/2008 00:54:55
Before Random™ leaves for a while, I would like to say, that if anyone here, actually has an interest in Doctor Who, i would suggest looking at the Audio plays done by Big Finish, they are really quite good, staring the 5th through 8th doctors, depending on the story.
Comment by Random on 07/11/2008 00:58:13
Random on 07/11/2008 00:58:13
Wait...Wedding Procession?
This from Fiddler on the roof?
This from Fiddler on the roof?
Comment by Raine on 07/11/2008 00:59:15
Let's get somthing straight.
You ARE relevent.
It's the rest of the world who does not know it yet...
Random, I think you are awesome, and being a person who actually MARRIED a person she met online, I will say, having friends online does not a life *not had* make. ;).
In other words, you, my dear, are wonderful. I would say to you, YES... get out. go see people in person... enjoy... but... know that what is here. well, Go out and hang with friends... if ya don't... we WILL come to see you... (no I am not joking, ask how many people I have met on this blog... :D)
It's real and you are 'ed.
so///
Raine on 07/11/2008 00:59:15
Quote by Random:Quote by Shane-O:Not true - and even if you are a "weird kid with no life" (I borrowed your phrase as Shane-O doesn't know Random personally) - that doesn't mean you aren't relevant and loved...Quote by Random:
Shane-O just say to make Random feel good.
Random knows he is just weird kid with no life.
2 things.
One, i never said i wasn't loved. Just not relevant, meaning little impact, and at this stage in my life, i do have little impact...I hope to one day have large impact, but not yet.
two, i really don't have a life, for christ sakes, i'm sitting here, at 20, talking about politics and Doctor Who, instead of getting out there with friends, trying to get...O.o Almost said to much.
You ARE relevent.
It's the rest of the world who does not know it yet...
Random, I think you are awesome, and being a person who actually MARRIED a person she met online, I will say, having friends online does not a life *not had* make. ;).
In other words, you, my dear, are wonderful. I would say to you, YES... get out. go see people in person... enjoy... but... know that what is here. well, Go out and hang with friends... if ya don't... we WILL come to see you... (no I am not joking, ask how many people I have met on this blog... :D)
It's real and you are
'ed.so///
Comment by TriSec on 07/11/2008 01:02:03
TriSec on 07/11/2008 01:02:03
Evening, folks. Passing through on the way to the flying field.
Gonna try for a full-cycle flight in either the Marauder or the Invader this evening.
I've done a lot of work on the panels, too. Hopefully those will work tonight. I *hate* flying with the macrohard default panels...
Gonna try for a full-cycle flight in either the Marauder or the Invader this evening.
I've done a lot of work on the panels, too. Hopefully those will work tonight. I *hate* flying with the macrohard default panels...
Comment by Raine on 07/11/2008 01:02:23
Yeah... you have it???
Raine on 07/11/2008 01:02:23
Quote by Random:
Wait...Wedding Procession?
This from Fiddler on the roof?
Yeah... you have it???
Comment by Random on 07/11/2008 01:02:53
That's sweet...O.o
Random on 07/11/2008 01:02:53
Quote by Raine:Let's get somthing straight.Quote by Random:Quote by Shane-O:Not true - and even if you are a "weird kid with no life" (I borrowed your phrase as Shane-O doesn't know Random personally) - that doesn't mean you aren't relevant and loved...Quote by Random:
Shane-O just say to make Random feel good.
Random knows he is just weird kid with no life.
2 things.
One, i never said i wasn't loved. Just not relevant, meaning little impact, and at this stage in my life, i do have little impact...I hope to one day have large impact, but not yet.
two, i really don't have a life, for christ sakes, i'm sitting here, at 20, talking about politics and Doctor Who, instead of getting out there with friends, trying to get...O.o Almost said to much.
You ARE relevent.
It's the rest of the world who does not know it yet...
Random, I think you are awesome, and being a person who actually MARRIED a person she met online, I will say, having friends online does not a life *not had* make. ;).
In other words, you, my dear, are wonderful. I would say to you, YES... get out. go see people in person... enjoy... but... know that what is here. well, Go out and hang with friends... if ya don't... we WILL come to see you... (no I am not joking, ask how many people I have met on this blog... :D)
It's real and you are
so///
That's sweet...O.o
Comment by Random on 07/11/2008 01:09:40
Not exactly sure...Maybe...but won't be able to get at it for bout an hour and a half.
Random on 07/11/2008 01:09:40
Quote by Raine:Quote by Random:
Wait...Wedding Procession?
This from Fiddler on the roof?
Yeah... you have it???
Not exactly sure...Maybe...but won't be able to get at it for bout an hour and a half.
Comment by Shane-O on 07/11/2008 01:10:26
Track 8 - original soundtrack (or 30th anniversary edition)?
Shane-O on 07/11/2008 01:10:26
Quote by Raine:Quote by Random:
Wait...Wedding Procession?
This from Fiddler on the roof?
Yeah... you have it???
Comment by Random on 07/11/2008 01:12:39
Is there a difference? I think it's the from the 30th edition.
Random on 07/11/2008 01:12:39
Quote by Shane-O:Track 8 - original soundtrack (or 30th anniversary edition)?Quote by Raine:Quote by Random:
Wait...Wedding Procession?
This from Fiddler on the roof?
Yeah... you have it???
Is there a difference? I think it's the from the 30th edition.
Comment by velveeta jones on 07/11/2008 01:13:09
velveeta jones on 07/11/2008 01:13:09
Ilovemyjob, Ilovemyjob, Ilovemyjob..............
Comment by 
MMB on 07/11/2008 01:22:24
MMB on 07/11/2008 01:22:24
Hi to all i am so happy i met a retired lawyer from Sarasota he is handsome,smart and very sweet!!!! I guess life can change. Hope everyone is having a great night. And best of all my cat loves him which is very rare. He usually hates men but Phillip seems to impress him. Gen.Lee is my side kick it's love me love my cat! Take care all
Comment by Shane-O on 07/11/2008 01:25:33
Shane-O on 07/11/2008 01:25:33
Got it!! Thank you all for joining me on this wild goose chase brought to you by Shane-O.
:sprint: off to the audio dungeon
:sprint: off to the audio dungeon
Comment by livingonli on 07/11/2008 01:31:14
livingonli on 07/11/2008 01:31:14
Comment by capt on 07/11/2008 01:41:40
Call me crazy but I have always taken my pets opinions very seriously, they have never been wrong.
They can sense stuff on other levels and if they don't like someone there is a reason. Animals don't lie - they can be a little melodramatic but . . .
capt on 07/11/2008 01:41:40
Quote by MMB:
Hi to all i am so happy i met a retired lawyer from Sarasota he is handsome,smart and very sweet!!!! I guess life can change. Hope everyone is having a great night. And best of all my cat loves him which is very rare. He usually hates men but Phillip seems to impress him. Gen.Lee is my side kick it's love me love my cat! Take care all
Call me crazy but I have always taken my pets opinions very seriously, they have never been wrong.
They can sense stuff on other levels and if they don't like someone there is a reason. Animals don't lie - they can be a little melodramatic but . . .
Comment by Random on 07/11/2008 01:47:11
Oh...
Random on 07/11/2008 01:47:11
Quote by Shane-O:
Got it!! Thank you all for joining me on this wild goose chase brought to you by Shane-O.
:sprint: off to the audio dungeon
Oh...
Comment by livingonli on 07/11/2008 01:51:46
livingonli on 07/11/2008 01:51:46
Lauren still looks cute on the Sammy Cam.
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/11/2008 01:55:49
Tri, my favorite American plane of WWII. Marked with the tail of the baddest pilots in the USAF! The 332nd Fighter Group.
I did tell you I had the honor of meeting the commander of the 332?
Mondobubba on 07/11/2008 01:55:49
Tri, my favorite American plane of WWII. Marked with the tail of the baddest pilots in the USAF! The 332nd Fighter Group.
I did tell you I had the honor of meeting the commander of the 332?
Comment by velveeta jones on 07/11/2008 02:02:53
velveeta jones on 07/11/2008 02:02:53
Do we hear wedding bells for MMB? 
Comment by clintster on 07/11/2008 02:05:52
clintster on 07/11/2008 02:05:52
So, I'm not sure if it's relevant in any way whatsoever, but I just realized that Guy Fawkes Day is the day after Election Day.
Remember, remember the fifth of November...
Remember, remember the fifth of November...
Comment by Random on 07/11/2008 02:08:22
As an American, why should i care about Guy Fawkes Day?
Random on 07/11/2008 02:08:22
Quote by clintster:
So, I'm not sure if it's relevant in any way whatsoever, but I just realized that Guy Fawkes Day is the day after Election Day.
Remember, remember the fifth of November...
As an American, why should i care about Guy Fawkes Day?
Comment by capt on 07/11/2008 02:10:57
capt on 07/11/2008 02:10:57
Only Nov. 4th is not election day here in the US:
Election Day in the United States is the day set by law for the selection of public officials by popular ballot. For federal offices, it occurs on the Tuesday following the first Monday of November (the Tuesday between November 2 and November 8, inclusively).
Election Day in the United States is the day set by law for the selection of public officials by popular ballot. For federal offices, it occurs on the Tuesday following the first Monday of November (the Tuesday between November 2 and November 8, inclusively).
Comment by clintster on 07/11/2008 02:10:59
clintster on 07/11/2008 02:10:59
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/11/2008 02:14:03
Random have you seen "V for Vendetta?" That is why.
Mondobubba on 07/11/2008 02:14:03
Quote by Random:Quote by clintster:
So, I'm not sure if it's relevant in any way whatsoever, but I just realized that Guy Fawkes Day is the day after Election Day.
Remember, remember the fifth of November...
As an American, why should i care about Guy Fawkes Day?
Random have you seen "V for Vendetta?" That is why.
Comment by Random on 07/11/2008 02:15:56
Random makes it a habit of not watching bad comic movies.
Random on 07/11/2008 02:15:56
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Random:Quote by clintster:
So, I'm not sure if it's relevant in any way whatsoever, but I just realized that Guy Fawkes Day is the day after Election Day.
Remember, remember the fifth of November...
As an American, why should i care about Guy Fawkes Day?
Random have you seen "V for Vendetta?" That is why.
Random makes it a habit of not watching bad comic movies.
Comment by livingonli on 07/11/2008 02:21:42
livingonli on 07/11/2008 02:21:42
314 viewers on the Sammy Cam.
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/11/2008 02:21:48
Random! V for Vendetta kicks butt! :modbat:
Mondobubba on 07/11/2008 02:21:48
Quote by Random:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Random:Quote by clintster:
So, I'm not sure if it's relevant in any way whatsoever, but I just realized that Guy Fawkes Day is the day after Election Day.
Remember, remember the fifth of November...
As an American, why should i care about Guy Fawkes Day?
Random have you seen "V for Vendetta?" That is why.
Random makes it a habit of not watching bad comic movies.
Random! V for Vendetta kicks butt! :modbat:
Comment by livingonli on 07/11/2008 02:24:27
V For Vendetta was a great movie. Alan Moore was just pissed because of what happened with the League of Extraordinary Gentleman.
Just hope they can do a good job with The Watchmen movie.
livingonli on 07/11/2008 02:24:27
Quote by Random:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Random:Quote by clintster:
So, I'm not sure if it's relevant in any way whatsoever, but I just realized that Guy Fawkes Day is the day after Election Day.
Remember, remember the fifth of November...
As an American, why should i care about Guy Fawkes Day?
Random have you seen "V for Vendetta?" That is why.
Random makes it a habit of not watching bad comic movies.
V For Vendetta was a great movie. Alan Moore was just pissed because of what happened with the League of Extraordinary Gentleman.
Just hope they can do a good job with The Watchmen movie.
Comment by velveeta jones on 07/11/2008 02:25:36
velveeta jones on 07/11/2008 02:25:36
Hey Liv..............how's come I don't have you on my facebook thingy, hmmmm?
You need to feel the wrath of my insults!
You need to feel the wrath of my insults!
Comment by Random on 07/11/2008 02:25:50
Mondo, V for Vendetta isn't even better than the Hulk movie from a few years ago.
Random on 07/11/2008 02:25:50
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Random:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Random:Quote by clintster:
So, I'm not sure if it's relevant in any way whatsoever, but I just realized that Guy Fawkes Day is the day after Election Day.
Remember, remember the fifth of November...
As an American, why should i care about Guy Fawkes Day?
Random have you seen "V for Vendetta?" That is why.
Random makes it a habit of not watching bad comic movies.
Random! V for Vendetta kicks butt! :modbat:
Mondo, V for Vendetta isn't even better than the Hulk movie from a few years ago.
Comment by Random on 07/11/2008 02:27:06
V for Vendetta sucked...hard.
Random on 07/11/2008 02:27:06
Quote by livingonli:Quote by Random:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Random:Quote by clintster:
So, I'm not sure if it's relevant in any way whatsoever, but I just realized that Guy Fawkes Day is the day after Election Day.
Remember, remember the fifth of November...
As an American, why should i care about Guy Fawkes Day?
Random have you seen "V for Vendetta?" That is why.
Random makes it a habit of not watching bad comic movies.
V For Vendetta was a great movie. Alan Moore was just pissed because of what happened with the League of Extraordinary Gentleman.
Just hope they can do a good job with The Watchmen movie.
V for Vendetta sucked...hard.
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/11/2008 02:28:22
VINDICATION! THE BLOG COMIC BOOK GUY STANDS WITH ME! HA SUCK IT RANDOM! HA!
Mondobubba on 07/11/2008 02:28:22
Quote by Random:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Random:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Random:Quote by clintster:
So, I'm not sure if it's relevant in any way whatsoever, but I just realized that Guy Fawkes Day is the day after Election Day.
Remember, remember the fifth of November...
As an American, why should i care about Guy Fawkes Day?
Random have you seen "V for Vendetta?" That is why.
Random makes it a habit of not watching bad comic movies.
Random! V for Vendetta kicks butt! :modbat:
Mondo, V for Vendetta isn't even better than the Hulk movie from a few years ago.
VINDICATION! THE BLOG COMIC BOOK GUY STANDS WITH ME! HA SUCK IT RANDOM! HA!
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/11/2008 02:31:37
Mondobubba on 07/11/2008 02:31:37
Livin, skool young Random more!
Comment by Random on 07/11/2008 02:32:09
Hm...Random does not sumbit to that belief. V for Vendetta, sucked...and hard.
Random on 07/11/2008 02:32:09
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Random:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Random:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Random:Quote by clintster:
So, I'm not sure if it's relevant in any way whatsoever, but I just realized that Guy Fawkes Day is the day after Election Day.
Remember, remember the fifth of November...
As an American, why should i care about Guy Fawkes Day?
Random have you seen "V for Vendetta?" That is why.
Random makes it a habit of not watching bad comic movies.
Random! V for Vendetta kicks butt! :modbat:
Mondo, V for Vendetta isn't even better than the Hulk movie from a few years ago.
VINDICATION! THE BLOG COMIC BOOK GUY STANDS WITH ME! HA SUCK IT RANDOM! HA!
Hm...Random does not sumbit to that belief. V for Vendetta, sucked...and hard.
Comment by livingonli on 07/11/2008 02:32:59
They actually had ads on these for TV a few years ago. It's really pathetic. But there is a sucker for these things.
livingonli on 07/11/2008 02:32:59
Quote by Mondobubba:
Klassy with a K.
They actually had ads on these for TV a few years ago. It's really pathetic. But there is a sucker for these things.
Comment by velveeta jones on 07/11/2008 02:33:07
velveeta jones on 07/11/2008 02:33:07
Comment by Random on 07/11/2008 02:33:37
Random knows more then you think.
Random on 07/11/2008 02:33:37
Quote by Mondobubba:
Livin, skool young Random more!
Random knows more then you think.
Comment by livingonli on 07/11/2008 02:36:04
I still don't have a facebook account. At some point, I will finally break down and set one up.
livingonli on 07/11/2008 02:36:04
Quote by velveeta jones:
Hey Liv..............how's come I don't have you on my facebook thingy, hmmmm?
You need to feel the wrath of my insults!
I still don't have a facebook account. At some point, I will finally break down and set one up.
Comment by Random on 07/11/2008 02:37:03
I just wish they wouldn't call it the "Freedom" tower. That's Klassy with two extra K's in my book.
Random on 07/11/2008 02:37:03
Quote by livingonli:Quote by Mondobubba:
Klassy with a K.
They actually had ads on these for TV a few years ago. It's really pathetic. But there is a sucker for these things.
I just wish they wouldn't call it the "Freedom" tower. That's Klassy with two extra K's in my book.
Comment by livingonli on 07/11/2008 02:37:59
Did you read the Graphic Novel?
livingonli on 07/11/2008 02:37:59
Quote by Random:Quote by Mondobubba:
Livin, skool young Random more!
Random knows more then you think.
Did you read the Graphic Novel?
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/11/2008 02:39:37
I was watching South Park and there was an ad. I had to share the wonder.
Mondobubba on 07/11/2008 02:39:37
Quote by livingonli:Quote by Mondobubba:
Klassy with a K.
They actually had ads on these for TV a few years ago. It's really pathetic. But there is a sucker for these things.
I was watching South Park and there was an ad. I had to share the wonder.
Comment by Random on 07/11/2008 02:39:44
Random on 07/11/2008 02:39:44
has any one seen the video of Jesse's comments? he does the lil motion, like he was going to cut something.
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/11/2008 02:40:41
ain't it great? : shudder:
Mondobubba on 07/11/2008 02:40:41
Quote by velveeta jones:Quote by Mondobubba:
Klassy with a K.
OH. MY. GAWD.
:thud:
ain't it great? : shudder:
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/11/2008 02:42:00
random doesn;t know a good movie when it kicks in in the nuts. Two words, Random: Natalie Portman. Nuff said.
Mondobubba on 07/11/2008 02:42:00
Quote by Random:Quote by Mondobubba:
Livin, skool young Random more!
Random knows more then you think.
random doesn;t know a good movie when it kicks in in the nuts. Two words, Random: Natalie Portman. Nuff said.
Comment by Random on 07/11/2008 02:42:12
No, but it's a movie, and shouldn't be couched on knowledge of the "Graphic Novel". If the movie relies on knowledge of the "Graphic Novel" It FAILS.
Random on 07/11/2008 02:42:12
Quote by livingonli:Quote by Random:Quote by Mondobubba:
Livin, skool young Random more!
Random knows more then you think.
Did you read the Graphic Novel?
No, but it's a movie, and shouldn't be couched on knowledge of the "Graphic Novel". If the movie relies on knowledge of the "Graphic Novel" It FAILS.
Comment by Random on 07/11/2008 02:44:18
So Natalie Portman makes a good movie? Well, I'd like to put forward evidence 1, 2, and 3. Star Wars Prequals.
Random on 07/11/2008 02:44:18
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Random:Quote by Mondobubba:
Livin, skool young Random more!
Random knows more then you think.
random doesn;t know a good movie when it kicks in in the nuts. Two words, Random: Natalie Portman. Nuff said.
Comment by livingonli on 07/11/2008 02:48:09
Just about everyone I know loved the movie. The only one who seemed to have a problem with it was the author Alan Moore who was just pissed because League of Extraordinary Gentlemen did suck so much. He hasn't said as much, but he is also disassociating himself from the forthcoming Watchmen movie.
livingonli on 07/11/2008 02:48:09
Quote by Random:Quote by livingonli:Quote by Random:Quote by Mondobubba:
Livin, skool young Random more!
Random knows more then you think.
Did you read the Graphic Novel?
No, but it's a movie, and shouldn't be couched on knowledge of the "Graphic Novel". If the movie relies on knowledge of the "Graphic Novel" It FAILS.
Just about everyone I know loved the movie. The only one who seemed to have a problem with it was the author Alan Moore who was just pissed because League of Extraordinary Gentlemen did suck so much. He hasn't said as much, but he is also disassociating himself from the forthcoming Watchmen movie.
Comment by Random on 07/11/2008 02:50:07
My mother loves those movies on Sci-fi every saturday, doesn't make them good.
Random on 07/11/2008 02:50:07
Quote by livingonli:Quote by Random:Quote by livingonli:Quote by Random:Quote by Mondobubba:
Livin, skool young Random more!
Random knows more then you think.
Did you read the Graphic Novel?
No, but it's a movie, and shouldn't be couched on knowledge of the "Graphic Novel". If the movie relies on knowledge of the "Graphic Novel" It FAILS.
Just about everyone I know loved the movie. The only one who seemed to have a problem with it was the author Alan Moore who was just pissed because League of Extraordinary Gentlemen did suck so much. He hasn't said as much, but he is also disassociating himself from the forthcoming Watchmen movie.
My mother loves those movies on Sci-fi every saturday, doesn't make them good.
Comment by livingonli on 07/11/2008 02:51:19
I actually did like the last one. The problem with the prequels were that Lucas cared more about special effects than storytelling which is why it doesn't hold up to the original series.
livingonli on 07/11/2008 02:51:19
Quote by Random:So Natalie Portman makes a good movie? Well, I'd like to put forward evidence 1, 2, and 3. Star Wars Prequals.Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Random:Quote by Mondobubba:
Livin, skool young Random more!
Random knows more then you think.
random doesn;t know a good movie when it kicks in in the nuts. Two words, Random: Natalie Portman. Nuff said.
I actually did like the last one. The problem with the prequels were that Lucas cared more about special effects than storytelling which is why it doesn't hold up to the original series.
Comment by livingonli on 07/11/2008 02:53:54
livingonli on 07/11/2008 02:53:54
Mondo, Maron is going to be on with Seder in the next hour.
Comment by Random on 07/11/2008 02:55:14
And the jackass playing Anakin has the acting ability of a cardboard cutout, which is why he looked so good on that lava flow lift thing in the end of three.
But my point about Natalie portman doesn't make it a good movie is evident.
Random on 07/11/2008 02:55:14
Quote by livingonli:Quote by Random:So Natalie Portman makes a good movie? Well, I'd like to put forward evidence 1, 2, and 3. Star Wars Prequals.Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Random:Quote by Mondobubba:
Livin, skool young Random more!
Random knows more then you think.
random doesn;t know a good movie when it kicks in in the nuts. Two words, Random: Natalie Portman. Nuff said.
I actually did like the last one. The problem with the prequels were that Lucas cared more about special effects than storytelling which is why it doesn't hold up to the original series.
And the jackass playing Anakin has the acting ability of a cardboard cutout, which is why he looked so good on that lava flow lift thing in the end of three.
But my point about Natalie portman doesn't make it a good movie is evident.
Comment by velveeta jones on 07/11/2008 03:00:03
velveeta jones on 07/11/2008 03:00:03
Haven't seen any of the Star Wars..........wait, I did see one.......... Um. In 2000 or so? Have no f-ing idea what # it is.
V for Vendetta was good. Great message, average movie.
I'm not a big Sci-Fi movie fan, like reading them more. Though, I'll throw "Brazil" into the mix. One of my fav's!!
V for Vendetta was good. Great message, average movie.
I'm not a big Sci-Fi movie fan, like reading them more. Though, I'll throw "Brazil" into the mix. One of my fav's!!
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/11/2008 03:00:58
You didn't need to know jack about the graphic novel in question.
Mondobubba on 07/11/2008 03:00:58
Quote by Random:Quote by livingonli:Quote by Random:Quote by Mondobubba:
Livin, skool young Random more!
Random knows more then you think.
Did you read the Graphic Novel?
No, but it's a movie, and shouldn't be couched on knowledge of the "Graphic Novel". If the movie relies on knowledge of the "Graphic Novel" It FAILS.
You didn't need to know jack about the graphic novel in question.
Comment by Random on 07/11/2008 03:03:25
Then Liv's question was irrelevant, and implied that knowledge of the comic was needed to understand the movie.
Random on 07/11/2008 03:03:25
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Random:Quote by livingonli:Quote by Random:Quote by Mondobubba:
Livin, skool young Random more!
Random knows more then you think.
Did you read the Graphic Novel?
No, but it's a movie, and shouldn't be couched on knowledge of the "Graphic Novel". If the movie relies on knowledge of the "Graphic Novel" It FAILS.
You didn't need to know jack about the graphic novel in question.
Then Liv's question was irrelevant, and implied that knowledge of the comic was needed to understand the movie.
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/11/2008 03:05:30
Mondobubba on 07/11/2008 03:05:30
:rofl: Daily Show. Clip of the Obamas with Rachel Ray. Michelle is giving the bobble headed midget some serious stank eye.
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/11/2008 03:07:53
Random, slagging the prequels is like shooting fish in a barrel. I will say this George Lucas is suck ass director and an even worse writer.
Mondobubba on 07/11/2008 03:07:53
Quote by Random:Quote by livingonli:Quote by Random:So Natalie Portman makes a good movie? Well, I'd like to put forward evidence 1, 2, and 3. Star Wars Prequals.Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Random:Quote by Mondobubba:
Livin, skool young Random more!
Random knows more then you think.
random doesn;t know a good movie when it kicks in in the nuts. Two words, Random: Natalie Portman. Nuff said.
I actually did like the last one. The problem with the prequels were that Lucas cared more about special effects than storytelling which is why it doesn't hold up to the original series.
And the jackass playing Anakin has the acting ability of a cardboard cutout, which is why he looked so good on that lava flow lift thing in the end of three.
But my point about Natalie portman doesn't make it a good movie is evident.
Random, slagging the prequels is like shooting fish in a barrel. I will say this George Lucas is suck ass director and an even worse writer.
Comment by Random on 07/11/2008 03:09:59
I was just using them as an example as to the faulty logic you use Mondo.
Random on 07/11/2008 03:09:59
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Random:Quote by livingonli:Quote by Random:So Natalie Portman makes a good movie? Well, I'd like to put forward evidence 1, 2, and 3. Star Wars Prequals.Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Random:Quote by Mondobubba:
Livin, skool young Random more!
Random knows more then you think.
random doesn;t know a good movie when it kicks in in the nuts. Two words, Random: Natalie Portman. Nuff said.
I actually did like the last one. The problem with the prequels were that Lucas cared more about special effects than storytelling which is why it doesn't hold up to the original series.
And the jackass playing Anakin has the acting ability of a cardboard cutout, which is why he looked so good on that lava flow lift thing in the end of three.
But my point about Natalie portman doesn't make it a good movie is evident.
Random, slagging the prequels is like shooting fish in a barrel. I will say this George Lucas is suck ass director and an even worse writer.
I was just using them as an example as to the faulty logic you use Mondo.
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/11/2008 03:10:34
Mondobubba on 07/11/2008 03:10:34
VJ, you have been served on Facebook! :rofl:
Comment by livingonli on 07/11/2008 03:10:36
livingonli on 07/11/2008 03:10:36
You're not listening to Maron with Sammy on the Mike Malloy Show.
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/11/2008 03:13:31
Ms Portman is a good actress. I say using the prequels as evidence of somebody's lack of acting talent is like calling somebody a Nazi. No one in 1-3 gives a good performance, not Liam Neeson, not Sam Jackson, not Ewan McGregor, or Natalie Portman.
Mondobubba on 07/11/2008 03:13:31
Quote by Random:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Random:Quote by livingonli:Quote by Random:So Natalie Portman makes a good movie? Well, I'd like to put forward evidence 1, 2, and 3. Star Wars Prequals.Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Random:Quote by Mondobubba:
Livin, skool young Random more!
Random knows more then you think.
random doesn;t know a good movie when it kicks in in the nuts. Two words, Random: Natalie Portman. Nuff said.
I actually did like the last one. The problem with the prequels were that Lucas cared more about special effects than storytelling which is why it doesn't hold up to the original series.
And the jackass playing Anakin has the acting ability of a cardboard cutout, which is why he looked so good on that lava flow lift thing in the end of three.
But my point about Natalie portman doesn't make it a good movie is evident.
Random, slagging the prequels is like shooting fish in a barrel. I will say this George Lucas is suck ass director and an even worse writer.
I was just using them as an example as to the faulty logic you use Mondo.
Ms Portman is a good actress. I say using the prequels as evidence of somebody's lack of acting talent is like calling somebody a Nazi. No one in 1-3 gives a good performance, not Liam Neeson, not Sam Jackson, not Ewan McGregor, or Natalie Portman.
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/11/2008 03:14:22
Well no, cause you just mentioned it, Livin.
Mondobubba on 07/11/2008 03:14:22
Quote by livingonli:
You're not listening to Maron with Sammy on the Mike Malloy Show.
Well no, cause you just mentioned it, Livin.
Comment by Random on 07/11/2008 03:19:11
Now, not what i said, I think she is a decent actress. But to say a movie is good because she is in it, is faulty. That was my point.
Random on 07/11/2008 03:19:11
Quote by Mondobubba:
Ms Portman is a good actress. I say using the prequels as evidence of somebody's lack of acting talent is like calling somebody a Nazi. No one in 1-3 gives a good performance, not Liam Neeson, not Sam Jackson, not Ewan McGregor, or Natalie Portman.
Now, not what i said, I think she is a decent actress. But to say a movie is good because she is in it, is faulty. That was my point.
Comment by livingonli on 07/11/2008 03:23:45
I guess my 10:53 post got lost in the V for Vendetta debate.
livingonli on 07/11/2008 03:23:45
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by livingonli:
You're not listening to Maron with Sammy on the Mike Malloy Show.
Well no, cause you just mentioned it, Livin.
I guess my 10:53 post got lost in the V for Vendetta debate.
Comment by capt on 07/11/2008 03:26:33
capt on 07/11/2008 03:26:33
Mike Allen, the author of the Politico piece, explains why the quote was removed (he's been updating the article as the story progresses):
The second one is the latest--it refers to Senator Gramm's specific quotes, which is what we were more interested in. The older one was non-specific, about the plan that McCain put out this week. The quote distancing Senator McCain from Senator Gramm seemed more interesting and newsworthy.
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Sure - the fact that McCain initially stood by Gramm's comments isn't newsworthy.
Now Phil is stands by them? The McCain camp gets it both ways and David Gregory was asking " is the sheen off Barack?" (something like that) because of what Jackson said?
The M$M is as worthless as can be.
They make me crazy, you know.
The second one is the latest--it refers to Senator Gramm's specific quotes, which is what we were more interested in. The older one was non-specific, about the plan that McCain put out this week. The quote distancing Senator McCain from Senator Gramm seemed more interesting and newsworthy.
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Sure - the fact that McCain initially stood by Gramm's comments isn't newsworthy.
Now Phil is stands by them? The McCain camp gets it both ways and David Gregory was asking " is the sheen off Barack?" (something like that) because of what Jackson said?
The M$M is as worthless as can be.
They make me crazy, you know.
Comment by Shane-O on 07/11/2008 03:31:52
Shane-O on 07/11/2008 03:31:52
Cc'd PM's to Raine, Bob and Capt... I don't know if everyone is still around.
Off to cook dinner!
Off to cook dinner!
Comment by Random on 07/11/2008 03:51:51
Random on 07/11/2008 03:51:51
*Random™ falls asleep*
Comment by Random on 07/11/2008 03:56:16
Random on 07/11/2008 03:56:16
Creepy...Dana Cravey was actually funny.
Comment by Raine on 07/11/2008 03:57:46
Raine on 07/11/2008 03:57:46
Shane-O... HOLY crap! I am still laughing!
(and you are cooking dinner this late? )
I am heading out for the night. Drama high on the blog...
I sense a disturbance in the force. Natalie Portman is a wonderful actress.. the Prequils sucked.
I am with V for Vandetta, great story, average movie.
And I think Random knows a lot more than he let's on.
:peace: love y'all... see ya in the AM.
(and you are cooking dinner this late? )
I am heading out for the night. Drama high on the blog...
I sense a disturbance in the force. Natalie Portman is a wonderful actress.. the Prequils sucked.
I am with
V for Vandetta, great story, average movie. And I think Random knows a lot more than he let's on.
:peace: love y'all... see ya in the AM.
Comment by livingonli on 07/11/2008 03:58:49
livingonli on 07/11/2008 03:58:49
Janeane Garofolo will be on with Sam tomorrow. Will it be the Majority Report re-visited?
Comment by BobR on 07/11/2008 03:58:51
Sorry Mondo - Random has run rings around you logically (intercourse the penguin!)
Although Random IS wrong about the movie - V for Vendetta totally kicked ass (and no - I never read the graphic novel). I would actually be interested in hearing the detail as to why Random thinks the movie sucked.
BobR on 07/11/2008 03:58:51
Quote by Random:
Now, not what i said, I think she is a decent actress. But to say a movie is good because she is in it, is faulty. That was my point.
Sorry Mondo - Random has run rings around you logically (intercourse the penguin!)
Although Random IS wrong about the movie - V for Vendetta totally kicked ass (and no - I never read the graphic novel). I would actually be interested in hearing the detail as to why Random thinks the movie sucked.
Comment by Random on 07/11/2008 04:00:32
Random on 07/11/2008 04:00:32
Hm...You honestly think that Raine?
Well, that is interesting.
Well, that is interesting.
Comment by Random on 07/11/2008 04:03:19
Thank you BobR, and I cannot answer the question, i've never seen it. Just from what i've come to understand of the movie, it sucked.
Random on 07/11/2008 04:03:19
Quote by BobR:Quote by Random:
Now, not what i said, I think she is a decent actress. But to say a movie is good because she is in it, is faulty. That was my point.
Sorry Mondo - Random has run rings around you logically (intercourse the penguin!)
Although Random IS wrong about the movie - V for Vendetta totally kicked ass (and no - I never read the graphic novel). I would actually be interested in hearing the detail as to why Random thinks the movie sucked.
Thank you BobR, and I cannot answer the question, i've never seen it. Just from what i've come to understand of the movie, it sucked.
Comment by BobR on 07/11/2008 04:11:35
BZZZT!
Sorry - you lose.
You can't say a movie sucked unless you've seen it. You can say "I heard it sucked" or "it looked like it sucked from the previews", but unless you've seen it you cannot pretend to ascertain it's level of suckitude. :bad:
no cookie.
BobR on 07/11/2008 04:11:35
Quote by Random:
Thank you BobR, and I cannot answer the question, i've never seen it. Just from what i've come to understand of the movie, it sucked.
BZZZT!
Sorry - you lose.
You can't say a movie sucked unless you've seen it. You can say "I heard it sucked" or "it looked like it sucked from the previews", but unless you've seen it you cannot pretend to ascertain it's level of suckitude. :bad:
no cookie.
Comment by Random on 07/11/2008 04:11:50
Random on 07/11/2008 04:11:50
Random™ food for thought:
Do i really dislike V for Vendetta? or am i disagree for the hell of it?
Do i really dislike V for Vendetta? or am i disagree for the hell of it?
Comment by Raine on 07/11/2008 04:12:59
Raine on 07/11/2008 04:12:59
Comment by livingonli on 07/11/2008 04:13:05
livingonli on 07/11/2008 04:13:05
Random, Mondo's gonna pounce on you for not seeing the movie with that review.
Comment by Random on 07/11/2008 04:13:47
Well, BobR, i'll direct you to the comment that started this. I said i haven't seen it. All I've been trying to get was why it was good. Which i haven't gotten. Just that I'm wrong.
Random on 07/11/2008 04:13:47
Quote by BobR:Quote by Random:
Thank you BobR, and I cannot answer the question, i've never seen it. Just from what i've come to understand of the movie, it sucked.
BZZZT!
Sorry - you lose.
You can't say a movie sucked unless you've seen it. You can say "I heard it sucked" or "it looked like it sucked from the previews", but unless you've seen it you cannot pretend to ascertain it's level of suckitude. :bad:
no cookie.
Well, BobR, i'll direct you to the comment that started this. I said i haven't seen it. All I've been trying to get was why it was good. Which i haven't gotten. Just that I'm wrong.
Comment by Random on 07/11/2008 04:14:52
My first comment said I hadn't seen the movie.
Random on 07/11/2008 04:14:52
Quote by livingonli:
Random, Mondo's gonna pounce on you for not seeing the movie with that review.
My first comment said I hadn't seen the movie.
Comment by livingonli on 07/11/2008 04:17:38
So, will he hang out in Dubai until Cheney moves out there after the election.
livingonli on 07/11/2008 04:17:38
Quote by Raine:
Karl Skipped out... of the country...
it was revealed by a GOP representative.
:waiting:
So, will he hang out in Dubai until Cheney moves out there after the election.
Comment by BobR on 07/11/2008 04:23:34
It's very inspirational in a "what can one guy do to fight an oppressive government?" kind of way. It melded a 1984-ish retro-future with obvious Bush regime references to make pointed comparisons of how not different they are. It showed how one person can inspire others to rise up against their oppressors. Finally, it made the point that the thing that limits us all the most is ourselves and our fears, especially of losing those things we think we value.
Also - the visuals were really good.
BobR on 07/11/2008 04:23:34
Quote by Random:
Well, BobR, i'll direct you to the comment that started this. I said i haven't seen it. All I've been trying to get was why it was good. Which i haven't gotten. Just that I'm wrong.
It's very inspirational in a "what can one guy do to fight an oppressive government?" kind of way. It melded a 1984-ish retro-future with obvious Bush regime references to make pointed comparisons of how not different they are. It showed how one person can inspire others to rise up against their oppressors. Finally, it made the point that the thing that limits us all the most is ourselves and our fears, especially of losing those things we think we value.
Also - the visuals were really good.
Comment by Random on 07/11/2008 04:28:16
Random on 07/11/2008 04:28:16
Random has a lot of irrational hatreds...and some rational ones.
My most famous irrational hatreds is Chryslers.
My most famous irrational hatreds is Chryslers.
Comment by Random on 07/11/2008 04:30:00
I really hate those kind of stories. Depressing.
Random on 07/11/2008 04:30:00
Quote by BobR:Quote by Random:
Well, BobR, i'll direct you to the comment that started this. I said i haven't seen it. All I've been trying to get was why it was good. Which i haven't gotten. Just that I'm wrong.
It's very inspirational in a "what can one guy do to fight an oppressive government?" kind of way. It melded a 1984-ish retro-future with obvious Bush regime references to make pointed comparisons of how not different they are. It showed how one person can inspire others to rise up against their oppressors. Finally, it made the point that the thing that limits us all the most is ourselves and our fears, especially of losing those things we think we value.
Also - the visuals were really good.
I really hate those kind of stories. Depressing.
Comment by Random on 07/11/2008 04:43:22
Random on 07/11/2008 04:43:22
*watches tumbleweed*
Comment by livingonli on 07/11/2008 04:50:47
livingonli on 07/11/2008 04:50:47
I wonder if this is where our discussion went tonight;
Comment by Random on 07/11/2008 04:56:15
Random on 07/11/2008 04:56:15
Who knows Liv
Comment by livingonli on 07/11/2008 05:31:49
livingonli on 07/11/2008 05:31:49
And now tonight's music video theatre;
Comment by MMB on 07/11/2008 06:20:44
No wedding bells Velveeta i am not that brave just yet.
MMB on 07/11/2008 06:20:44
Quote by velveeta jones:
Do we hear wedding bells for MMB?
Comment by clintster on 07/11/2008 12:36:15
clintster on 07/11/2008 12:36:15
(looks at V for Vendetta discussion below)
Did I do that?
Did I do that?