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Author: TriSec    Date: 07/15/2008 10:48:10

Good Morning.

Today is our 1,945th day in Iraq.

We'll start as we always do, with the latest casualty figures from the warron terra, courtesy of antiwar.com:

American Deaths
Since war began (3/19/03): 4119
Since "Mission Accomplished" (5/1/03): 3980
Since Capture of Saddam (12/13/03): 3658
Since Handover (6/29/04): 3260
Since Election (1/31/05): 2682

Other Coalition Troops: 314
US Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 555

We find this morning's cost of war passing through $ 536, 860, 250, 000.00



This morning, we'll take a look at the forgotten conflict in Afghanistan. Even here at Ask A vet, we often overlook this second front in the "warron terra" in favor of the epic boondoggle that is Iraq. However, there's been some news recently. We'll start with Candidate Obama, who would send 10,000 troops to Afghanistan, which may actually be a good idea.

The Democratic Party's presidential nominee, writing in The New York Times yesterday, said that while US troops had performed "heroically" in Iraq, Afghanistan was the real frontline in the battle against al-Qa'eda.

The comments came a day after nine US soldiers were killed in a gun battle when al-Qa'eda-Taliban forces attacked a base in eastern Afghanistan, the deadliest attack they have suffered in three years.

Mr Obama added that the conditions that led him to oppose the war in Iraq and last year's "surge" of US forces had not altered.

"The strain on our military has grown, the situation in Afghanistan has deteriorated and we've spent nearly $200 billion more in Iraq than we had budgeted," he wrote.

The article will be followed by a major foreign policy speech today in which the candidate will lay out his vision for his presidency.




It should come as no surprise that the Republicans were quick to latch on to this. This response comes from the RNC:

As Chairman Of The Subcommittee With NATO Oversight, Obama Has Failed To Hold Any Hearings On Afghanistan:

Obama Has Served As Chairman Of The Subcommittee On European Affairs From 2007 - 2008. (U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee Website, www.senate.gov, Accessed 7/10/08)

The Subcommittee On European Affairs Has Jurisdiction Over The Countries Of Europe As Well As NATO Activities. "Jurisdiction: The subcommittee deals with all matters concerning U.S. relations with the countries on the continent of Europe...and with the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, the European Union and the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe." (U.S. Senate Committee On Foreign Relations Website, foreign.senate.gov, Accessed 2/27/07)

As Chairman Of The Subcommittee On European Affairs, Obama Could Have Held Hearings On The Role Of NATO In Afghanistan. "[A]mbassador John Ritch, who served for two decades as the Senate Foreign Relations Committee's senior staffer on European affairs and East-West relations...[P]oints out that as subcommittee chair, Obama could have examined a wide variety of urgent matters, from the role of NATO in Afghanistan and Iraq to European energy policy and European responses to climate change..." (Joe Conason, "Obama's European Problem," www.salon.com, 12/29/07)

Obama Has Never Been To Afghanistan; Skipped The Opportunity To Go In 2006...



Curiously, a google search for "McCain + Afghanistan" reveals that the last comments the Senator made about this conflict came way back in February of 2005...for Fox News.
KABUL, Afghanistan — The United States needs permanent military bases in Afghanistan to protect its "vital national security interests" in the region, Arizona Sen. John McCain (search) said Tuesday after talks with the Afghan president.

McCain's remarks were the latest indication of American and British aspirations to cement their influence in this former Al Qaeda (search) stronghold on the doorstep of Iran (search), China and nuclear-armed rivals Pakistan (search) and India.

McCain, part of a five-member Senate delegation that met President Hamid Karzai (search) at his palace in the Afghan capital, said he was committed to a "strategic partnership that we believe must endure for many, many years."

"Not only because of our appreciation of Afghanistan, but also we believe there will be vital national security interests in this region for a long time," McCain said.

Asked by reporters what such a partnership would entail, he identified "economic assistance, technical assistance, military partnership including — and this is a personal view — joint military permanent bases and also cultural exchanges."

McCain, the No. 2 Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee, did not elaborate on what kind of American military presence he was advocating.

Karzai did not address the issue at a joint news conference, limiting himself to expressing thanks.

"It is because of help from the United States that Afghanistan has what it has today, be it in reconstruction, be it in economy, in elections, in the very fact that this is a country that is now owning itself."

Asked about McCain's comments regarding permanent U.S. bases in Afghanistan, Pentagon spokesman Lawrence Di Rita said, "It's premature to even consider something like that." He said there are no such discussions under way with the Afghan government.


Of course, the situation in Afghanistan has changed dramatically since 2005...we're losing. And unless you've really been paying attention, you probably didn't see this story at all this week.
KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) — U.S. troops on Monday reinforced a remote military outpost after well-armed militants got inside and killed nine American soldiers in the deadliest assault on U.S. forces in Afghanistan in three years.

Sunday's assault has deepened doubts about the U.S. military's ability to contain Islamic militants. Attacks in Afghanistan are becoming more complex, intense and better coordinated than a year ago, U.S. officials say.

Militants with machine guns, rocket-propelled grenades and mortars attacked the remote base in the village of Wanat in the mountainous northeastern province of Kunar at about 4:30 a.m. Sunday, with insurgents firing from homes and a mosque.

It was a "concerted attempt" to overrun the small base near the Pakistan border that was built only about three days ago, said an official with NATO's International Security Assistance Force.

The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he wasn't authorized to release the information, estimated the attacking force was several hundred.

An unknown number of militants got inside the outpost, the reason the fighters were able to inflict such high casualties, said a second military official who also spoke on condition of anonymity.

After the breach, U.S. troops pushed back against the invading militants, and attack helicopters swooped in. The second official said more than 40 insurgents were killed in the fighting. Fifteen U.S. soldiers also were wounded.

"Instead of looking at it necessarily from the perspective of the Taliban or terrorists being more aggressive in coming after NATO or U.S. forces or Afghan forces, in this particular case it was an example of NATO, U.S. and Afghan forces being aggressive in combatting cross-border infiltration," State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said.

The latest assault came at a time of rising violence in Afghanistan.

Monthly death tolls of U.S. and NATO troops in Afghanistan surpassed U.S. military deaths in Iraq in May and June. And last Monday, a suicide bomber attacked the Indian Embassy in Kabul, killing 58 people in the deadliest attack in the Afghan capital since 2001.



Sorry for the length of the post today....but I think my point is rather clear. And I hope it's obvious which candidate is at least paying attention. Neither one may have the answers...but do you want some concrete action, or more of McSame?


 

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Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 12:30:25
Good Morning! Going to vote today...



The biggest thing up on out primary day is selected a challenger for

Saxby Chamblisssssssssssss <----------------slithering like a snake....

Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 12:43:34
Good Morning! McCain is here in NM and the local news is smitten. The M$M love them some old gramps stuff.



God I hate the media.



They want to portray the "surge" as a fix for an illegal invasion. It was all wrong but look we are only havng a handfull of our brave and best killed so - it is really a wild success!









Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 12:51:46
McCain lies to a kids face.



Can we please start getting the media to pay attention to this stuff?


Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 12:56:03
Is Momma's mic open and hot yet? :P

Comment by clintster on 07/15/2008 13:02:12
Jim's in today! And we're gonna get an MSTing of the Bush press conference.

Comment by clintster on 07/15/2008 13:02:55
And Chris had to take a "Stephstream".

Comment by wickedpam on 07/15/2008 13:07:48
Morning :hug:

Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 13:10:18
:rolleyes: Well I guess Momma isn't enamoured with Neil??? I knew it!



OK, be back in a few minutes, going to vote!

Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 13:10:57
Quote by clintster:

And Chris had to take a "Stephstream".


:rofl:

Comment by wickedpam on 07/15/2008 13:11:43
Shane-O! You scamp! :rofl:

Comment by clintster on 07/15/2008 13:12:37
Quote by Raine:

Quote by clintster:

And Chris had to take a "Stephstream".


:rofl:


The best part of that is, he actually referred to it as a "Stephstream".

Comment by Mondobubba on 07/15/2008 13:13:58
Quote by Raine:

Is Momma's mic open and hot yet? :P






Momma's mike is always open and hot!

Comment by Mondobubba on 07/15/2008 13:15:33
Morning all. I now know what happens when you take twice the prescribed dose of Lexapro. :panicky: It will pass, it WILL pass. Hiya all.

Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 13:19:06
Good morning!

Comment by livingonli on 07/15/2008 13:28:38
Good morning everyone.



I actually was able to wake up and catch the show this morning.

Comment by starling310 on 07/15/2008 13:28:55
Oreo?





Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 13:35:23
Comment by starling310 on 07/15/2008 13:40:02
Quote by capt:

oreo







"BLOCKED SITE"



Damn you Big Brother!! :: impotent fists of rage ::

Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 13:40:58
:usa: I voted :usa:


Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 13:42:46
Quote by capt:

oreo



HEre ya go,

Term for African Americans that the black community is generally offended with for betraying their roots usually for dating caucasion girls, dressing too white, talking too white, etc. The term is branded OREO since they are "Black on the outside, White on the inside"

"Damn Marcus, have you seen Deon lately? The brother is a total Oreo, he's all drivin' a BMW with his white biatch. The brotha forgot where he came from!"

Comment by Mondobubba on 07/15/2008 13:44:00
Quote by Raine:

:usa: I voted :usa:






Yeah I need to do that in the local primary. That's right. We have two primaries in Florida. The presidential and then the local. Can you say stupid? I thought you can.

Comment by starling310 on 07/15/2008 13:44:09
HA! producerchris. . . I heard the voice crack too. :rofl:

Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 13:44:46
http://bp0.blogger.com/_MS7_pHb7lpQ/SHyptCMi5fI/AAAAAAAABv0/AZABMkBdfSo/s400/nymccainoj9.jpg


Comment by livingonli on 07/15/2008 13:44:56
Quote by Raine:

:usa: I voted :usa:


Good for you. Isn't it crazy that there has to be two primaries?

Comment by TriSec on 07/15/2008 13:46:04
Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by Raine:

:usa: I voted :usa:






Yeah I need to do that in the local primary. That's right. We have two primaries in Florida. The presidential and then the local. Can you say stupid? I thought you can.




Hmm, all of mine are on the same day, but our primaries aren't until September. (John Kerry has a democratic challenger this year.) I don't think anything else is happening.







Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 13:46:12
Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by Raine:

:usa: I voted :usa:






Yeah I need to do that in the local primary. That's right. We have two primaries in Florida. The presidential and then the local. Can you say stupid? I thought you can.
It's kinda strange, that is fer sure.



But HEY! Everyone wanted to be part of Super tuesday.... (not)



Comment by starling310 on 07/15/2008 13:46:32
Quote by Raine:

Quote by capt:

oreo



HEre ya go,

Term for African Americans that the black community is generally offended with for betraying their roots usually for dating caucasion girls, dressing too white, talking too white, etc. The term is branded OREO since they are "Black on the outside, White on the inside"

"Damn Marcus, have you seen Deon lately? The brother is a total Oreo, he's all drivin' a BMW with his white biatch. The brotha forgot where he came from!"




Oh...lovely.





Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 13:47:53
Quote by Raine:

Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by Raine:

:usa: I voted :usa:






Yeah I need to do that in the local primary. That's right. We have two primaries in Florida. The presidential and then the local. Can you say stupid? I thought you can.
It's kinda strange, that is fer sure.



But HEY! Everyone wanted to be part of Super tuesday.... (not)





We too have a presidential primary then another primary for congress senate and local.



All done voting here until Nov.







Comment by Mondobubba on 07/15/2008 13:48:01
Quote by starling310:

Quote by Raine:

Quote by capt:

oreo



HEre ya go,

Term for African Americans that the black community is generally offended with for betraying their roots usually for dating caucasion girls, dressing too white, talking too white, etc. The term is branded OREO since they are "Black on the outside, White on the inside"

"Damn Marcus, have you seen Deon lately? The brother is a total Oreo, he's all drivin' a BMW with his white biatch. The brotha forgot where he came from!"




Oh...lovely.









You have never heard the term before? Wow!

Comment by livingonli on 07/15/2008 13:49:29
We also have our local primaries in September. Haven't heard much here

Comment by starling310 on 07/15/2008 13:51:23
A mooooslum....





Comment by starling310 on 07/15/2008 13:53:16
Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by starling310:

Quote by Raine:

Quote by capt:

oreo



HEre ya go,

Term for African Americans that the black community is generally offended with for betraying their roots usually for dating caucasion girls, dressing too white, talking too white, etc. The term is branded OREO since they are "Black on the outside, White on the inside"

"Damn Marcus, have you seen Deon lately? The brother is a total Oreo, he's all drivin' a BMW with his white biatch. The brotha forgot where he came from!"




Oh...lovely.









You have never heard the term before? Wow!




I have...when they supposedly threw oreoes at that politician.

But, it was odd to hear Maclaughlin saying it in that way.



Capt and Raine were trying to be helpful Mondo!! Sheesh.



Comment by Mondobubba on 07/15/2008 13:54:42
Quote by TriSec:

Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by Raine:

:usa: I voted :usa:






Yeah I need to do that in the local primary. That's right. We have two primaries in Florida. The presidential and then the local. Can you say stupid? I thought you can.




Hmm, all of mine are on the same day, but our primaries aren't until September. (John Kerry has a democratic challenger this year.) I don't think anything else is happening.









The logical, thrifty way of doing it. You practical Yankees you! With your simple inexpensive solutions to problems!

Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 13:55:09
:usa: :usa:


Comment by Mondobubba on 07/15/2008 13:55:54
Quote by starling310:

Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by starling310:

Quote by Raine:

Quote by capt:

oreo



HEre ya go,

Term for African Americans that the black community is generally offended with for betraying their roots usually for dating caucasion girls, dressing too white, talking too white, etc. The term is branded OREO since they are "Black on the outside, White on the inside"

"Damn Marcus, have you seen Deon lately? The brother is a total Oreo, he's all drivin' a BMW with his white biatch. The brotha forgot where he came from!"




Oh...lovely.









You have never heard the term before? Wow!




I have...when they supposedly threw oreoes at that politician.

But, it was odd to hear Maclaughlin saying it in that way.



Capt and Raine were trying to be helpful Mondo!! Sheesh.





:Emily Litella: Never mind. :Changes subjects: So, Star how was the ball game??

Comment by Mondobubba on 07/15/2008 13:56:26
:flop sweat: : Dangerfield collar tug:

Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 13:57:27
Quote by capt:

http://bp0.blogger.com/_MS7_pHb7lpQ/SHyptCMi5fI/AAAAAAAABv0/AZABMkBdfSo/s400/nymccainoj9.jpg
That is BEAUTIFUL!



Comment by Mondobubba on 07/15/2008 13:58:24
Quote by capt:

http://bp0.blogger.com/_MS7_pHb7lpQ/SHyptCMi5fI/AAAAAAAABv0/AZABMkBdfSo/s400/nymccainoj9.jpg






:rofl:

Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 13:59:52
BTW, one of our candidates for Sheriff ...



Chuck Rambo.







:rofl: I shit you not...

Comment by livingonli on 07/15/2008 14:01:28
I want to hear Momma curse on the Stephstream.

Comment by TriSec on 07/15/2008 14:02:31
We're below 11,000 folks...



Dow Jones Industrial Average

10,910.75 -144.44 / -1.31%

Jul 15 10:00am ET †

Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 14:05:30
Sexy Sexy David Sirota is coming to the Atl!





http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y59/raine1967/IMG_1002.jpg


If I go to see him again, would that make me a stalker? :P

Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 14:07:43
Quote by TriSec:

We're below 11,000 folks...



Dow Jones Industrial Average

10,910.75 -144.44 / -1.31%

Jul 15 10:00am ET †




This has been coming for a while - let's hope it is not gaining momentum in a downward spiral.



Comment by wickedpam on 07/15/2008 14:08:46
Quote by starling310:

A mooooslum....







Is that a place for the bovine monetarily challenged?



Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 14:09:29
Quote by capt:

Quote by TriSec:

We're below 11,000 folks...



Dow Jones Industrial Average

10,910.75 -144.44 / -1.31%

Jul 15 10:00am ET †




This has been coming for a while - let's hope it is not gaining momentum in a downward spiral.





Comment by wickedpam on 07/15/2008 14:09:29
FineD Graham Norton fast Steph!

Comment by Mondobubba on 07/15/2008 14:09:47
Quote by Raine:

BTW, one of our candidates for Sheriff ...



Chuck Rambo.







:rofl: I shit you not...






I'm slightly disturbed by that. Dunno why?

Comment by wickedpam on 07/15/2008 14:13:28


Comment by wickedpam on 07/15/2008 14:13:49
Yeah Cookie!

Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 14:14:08
Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by Raine:

BTW, one of our candidates for Sheriff ...



Chuck Rambo.







:rofl: I shit you not...






I'm slightly disturbed by that. Dunno why?




His campaign catch phrase:





Rambo: Don't look at me, look at the road! That's how accidents happen.






Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 14:14:46
Just remember folks, We should be able to deliver hot bottled water to dehydrated babies.

Comment by BobR on 07/15/2008 14:18:18
morning folks... :coffee:

Comment by livingonli on 07/15/2008 14:19:05
Quote by wickedpam:

Yeah Cookie!


Did anyone see when Cookie Monster was on The Colbert Report?

Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 14:20:19
So get this--- Today Obama is suppsed to be givign a major speech... @ 10:45.



The pResident decides he is going to have a press conference at 10:20.

Comment by wickedpam on 07/15/2008 14:20:49
Quote by livingonli:

Quote by wickedpam:

Yeah Cookie!


Did anyone see when Cookie Monster was on The Colbert Report?




I did happen to see that, it was really cute. I love Cookie monster but no one beats Super Grover!







Comment by Mondobubba on 07/15/2008 14:20:55
Quote by capt:

Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by Raine:

BTW, one of our candidates for Sheriff ...



Chuck Rambo.







:rofl: I shit you not...






I'm slightly disturbed by that. Dunno why?




His campaign catch phrase:





Rambo: Don't look at me, look at the road! That's how accidents happen.








OMG!

Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 14:21:03
What the hell is going on with the callers hanging up today?

Comment by m-hadley on 07/15/2008 14:23:26
Quote by Raine:

Sexy Sexy David Sirota is coming to the Atl!





http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y59/raine1967/IMG_1002.jpg


If I go to see him again, would that make me a stalker? :P




Mornin' Everybody,

Great photo Raine & BobR - I agree that David Sirota is a hottie and smart, too (which makes a person even hotter in my mind :P). Have you read his book The Uprising? I brought it along and started it on the plane - I hope to finish it when we get to the coast and can kick back and relax. It looks like a fascinating read :)

Last night I became an adopted Asian-American at the 20th Anniversary Dinner of the Asian-American Caucus - I am truly honored

More later, gators...

Cheers,

mfaye

:hug: & :peace:

Comment by livingonli on 07/15/2008 14:24:26
Quote by Raine:

What the hell is going on with the callers hanging up today?


Maybe the UK Telephone boxes are interfering with the phone lines.



Good morning mfaye.

Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 14:27:33
Quote by Raine:

What the hell is going on with the callers hanging up today?




Bastard people - obviously . .



Comment by wickedpam on 07/15/2008 14:29:08
Quote by livingonli:

Quote by Raine:

What the hell is going on with the callers hanging up today?


Maybe the UK Telephone boxes are interfering with the phone lines.



Good morning mfaye.




Only if the phonebox is blue



Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 14:29:09
Gramm may be gone*, but his Porn lives on...

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2008-07-15-stop.jpg


Phil Gramm attempted to invest $15,000 in "Truck Stop Women." His money ultimately helped produce a film portraying Richard Nixon wandering nude around the White House.



before he attacked an opponent for taking money from a gay rights group, and before he was interviewed by the white supremacist Southern Partisan magazine, Gramm was an avidly active investor in soft-core pornography movies.



Gramm's journey into porn began in 1973, when his brother-in-law, George Caton, rushed to tell him about an exciting low-budget soft-core production called Truck Stop Women. A promo poster for the film boasted of its buxom stars: "No Rig Was Too Big For Them To Handle." Caton, who was in charge of fundraising for the production, asked Gramm to become an investor. To entice his brother-in-law, Caton showed him scenes of Playboy Playmate of the year Claudia Jennings displaying her bare essentials (she is naked throughout much of the film).



These scenes "really got Phil titillated," Caton told journalist John Judis in 1995. Gramm enthusiastically cut Caton a check for $15,000. Because the film was oversold, however, Caton returned his brother-in-law's money, offering him an investment opportunity in an upcoming feature.



The following year, Gramm sent Caton a check for $15,000, this time to finance the production of Beauty Queens, a soft-core flick about pageant judges having sex with contestants. But at the last moment, the director of Beauty Queens, Mark Lester, decided to shelve his production to make the sequel to his Tricia's Wedding, a comedy starring the drag queen troupe, The Cockettes.



Gramm contributed at least $7500 towards the sequel, a satire of the Nixon White House called White House Madness that featured the crazed president wandering around the White House in the nude. Gramm never saw that money again. Shot in ten days on a soundstage crudely modeled after the Oval Office, White House Madness tanked at the box office.

=====================================================



*Gramm isn't really gone, btw...



Another Republican with the Porn and the flaven...



Comment by Mondobubba on 07/15/2008 14:29:20
BUDDY Slowly I turned, etc. Buddy...could be worse could be my real nemesis, rakes! : cues Cape Fear music:

Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 14:29:30
Bailouts until he is gone, eh?

Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 14:30:52


FAYE!!!

Comment by livingonli on 07/15/2008 14:32:05
Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by livingonli:

Quote by Raine:

What the hell is going on with the callers hanging up today?


Maybe the UK Telephone boxes are interfering with the phone lines.



Good morning mfaye.




Only if the phonebox is blue



But then it's a policebox. Unless it's bigger on the inside.

Comment by starling310 on 07/15/2008 14:32:13
Quote by Mondobubba:



:Emily Litella: Never mind. :Changes subjects: So, Star how was the ball game??




It was AWESOME!!!



My lady friend surprised me with the tickets for my birthday!!

It was the 2 of us and 2 of my closest friends. The weather was perfect! And, the game was great! We saw Kevin Youklis' first Grand Slam evah.

And, I do NOT admit to taking a Moral Holiday and eating any meat products while I was there.

Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 14:32:49
Why does the porn and Phil Gramm not surprise me?



If hypocrisy killed.





Comment by TriSec on 07/15/2008 14:33:17
Gotta drop off for a few. We have a UGE client touring the facility today. Can't have any liberal claptrap lying around!



:peace:





Comment by BobR on 07/15/2008 14:34:38
Quote by Raine:

Gramm may be gone*, but his Porn lives on...

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2008-07-15-stop.jpg


Phil Gramm attempted to invest $15,000 in "Truck Stop Women." His money ultimately helped produce a film portraying Richard Nixon wandering nude around the White House.



before he attacked an opponent for taking money from a gay rights group, and before he was interviewed by the white supremacist Southern Partisan magazine, Gramm was an avidly active investor in soft-core pornography movies.



Gramm's journey into porn began in 1973, when his brother-in-law, George Caton, rushed to tell him about an exciting low-budget soft-core production called Truck Stop Women. A promo poster for the film boasted of its buxom stars: "No Rig Was Too Big For Them To Handle." Caton, who was in charge of fundraising for the production, asked Gramm to become an investor. To entice his brother-in-law, Caton showed him scenes of Playboy Playmate of the year Claudia Jennings displaying her bare essentials (she is naked throughout much of the film).



These scenes "really got Phil titillated," Caton told journalist John Judis in 1995. Gramm enthusiastically cut Caton a check for $15,000. Because the film was oversold, however, Caton returned his brother-in-law's money, offering him an investment opportunity in an upcoming feature.



The following year, Gramm sent Caton a check for $15,000, this time to finance the production of Beauty Queens, a soft-core flick about pageant judges having sex with contestants. But at the last moment, the director of Beauty Queens, Mark Lester, decided to shelve his production to make the sequel to his Tricia's Wedding, a comedy starring the drag queen troupe, The Cockettes.



Gramm contributed at least $7500 towards the sequel, a satire of the Nixon White House called White House Madness that featured the crazed president wandering around the White House in the nude. Gramm never saw that money again. Shot in ten days on a soundstage crudely modeled after the Oval Office, White House Madness tanked at the box office.

=====================================================



*Gramm isn't really gone, btw...



Another Republican with the Porn and the flaven...



:rofl:

Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 14:36:05
*poking eardrums out*



AAARRRGGGHHH!



I can't stand listening to Bush - worse than ever . .

Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 14:36:05
Shut the man up! PLEEEZ!



I am so pissed that he decided to have the press conference NOW... Right before the Obama speech.

Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 14:36:39
He is advocating for a regulator?!?!? Are you shitting me?

Comment by BobR on 07/15/2008 14:36:47
Quote by starling310:





It was AWESOME!!!



My lady friend surprised me with the tickets for my birthday!!

It was the 2 of us and 2 of my closest friends. The weather was perfect! And, the game was great! We saw Kevin Youklis' first Grand Slam evah.

And, I do NOT admit to taking a Moral Holiday and eating any meat products while I was there.




Mary Moon, she's a vegetarian

Mary Moon will outlive all the septaugenarians

Oh she loves me so, she hates to be alone

She don't eat meat but she sure like the bone



:rofl:

Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 14:37:10
You know what will instill MY confidence... electing Barack Obama.

Comment by starling310 on 07/15/2008 14:37:25
189 days. 189 days. 189 days. 189 days. 189 days. 189 days. 189 days. 189 days. 189 days. 189 days. 189 days. 189 days. 189 days. 189 days. 189 days. 189 days. 189 days. 189 days. 189 days. 189 days. 189 days. 189 days. 189 days. 189 days. 189 days. 189 days. 189 days. 189 days. 189 days. 189 days. 189 days. 189 days. 189 days. 189 days. 189 days. 189 days. 189 days. 189 days. 189 days. 189 days.

Comment by livingonli on 07/15/2008 14:37:57
When is Bush going to eventually collapse at one of his press conferences from his brain cells slowly dying?

Comment by BobR on 07/15/2008 14:38:02
Quote by Raine:

Shut the man up! PLEEEZ!



I am so pissed that he decided to have the press conference NOW... Right before the Obama speech.


He should know that most media will cut to Obama.

Comment by wickedpam on 07/15/2008 14:38:12
dummy - there is no supply and demand problem!

Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 14:38:27
::: taps Watch ::: you have 6 minutes Chimpy.

Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 14:38:54
The pResident MADE this happen.



(edited for truthiness)

Comment by starling310 on 07/15/2008 14:39:05
Yeah., people are buying smaller cars. Everyone is making sacrifices but YOU and Your friggin' cronies. Ass hat!



Comment by Mondobubba on 07/15/2008 14:39:20
Quote by Raine:

Gramm may be gone*, but his Porn lives on...

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2008-07-15-stop.jpg


Phil Gramm attempted to invest $15,000 in "Truck Stop Women." His money ultimately helped produce a film portraying Richard Nixon wandering nude around the White House.



before he attacked an opponent for taking money from a gay rights group, and before he was interviewed by the white supremacist Southern Partisan magazine, Gramm was an avidly active investor in soft-core pornography movies.



Gramm's journey into porn began in 1973, when his brother-in-law, George Caton, rushed to tell him about an exciting low-budget soft-core production called Truck Stop Women. A promo poster for the film boasted of its buxom stars: "No Rig Was Too Big For Them To Handle." Caton, who was in charge of fundraising for the production, asked Gramm to become an investor. To entice his brother-in-law, Caton showed him scenes of Playboy Playmate of the year Claudia Jennings displaying her bare essentials (she is naked throughout much of the film).



These scenes "really got Phil titillated," Caton told journalist John Judis in 1995. Gramm enthusiastically cut Caton a check for $15,000. Because the film was oversold, however, Caton returned his brother-in-law's money, offering him an investment opportunity in an upcoming feature.



The following year, Gramm sent Caton a check for $15,000, this time to finance the production of Beauty Queens, a soft-core flick about pageant judges having sex with contestants. But at the last moment, the director of Beauty Queens, Mark Lester, decided to shelve his production to make the sequel to his Tricia's Wedding, a comedy starring the drag queen troupe, The Cockettes.



Gramm contributed at least $7500 towards the sequel, a satire of the Nixon White House called White House Madness that featured the crazed president wandering around the White House in the nude. Gramm never saw that money again. Shot in ten days on a soundstage crudely modeled after the Oval Office, White House Madness tanked at the box office.

=====================================================



*Gramm isn't really gone, btw...



Another Republican with the Porn and the flaven...





Damn not available from Netflix :kickcan:

Comment by BobR on 07/15/2008 14:40:04
I posted a news item on the board that said the cage-rattling we are doing with Iran is driving speculation of a future oil shortage which is driving up oil prices.



Isn't THAT convenient for his oil buddies...

Comment by wickedpam on 07/15/2008 14:40:17
he doesn't think $4-5/gas that's killing our economy is an emergency! You fuckhead shitface pain in the ass doofus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 14:40:32
OK, I am tempted to turn on the TV Mosheen to listen to the reporters questions. At least they are asking the tough ones.

Comment by livingonli on 07/15/2008 14:41:32
Charlie Sheen is giving Michael Jordan a in the newest Hane's ad.

Comment by BobR on 07/15/2008 14:41:35
Quote by wickedpam:

dummy - there is no supply and demand problem!


No lines at the pumps.

No gas stations running out of gas.

No shortage.

No supply & demand problem.

Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 14:41:40
Quote by wickedpam:

he doesn't think $4-5/gas that's killing our economy is an emergency! You fuckhead shitface pain in the ass doofus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


:thud:



Mala cursed, NOW I know we are in a bad state.



:P I am just teasin ya, you know.

Comment by BobR on 07/15/2008 14:42:54
Quote by Raine:

He is advocating for a regulator?!?!? Are you shitting me?


All the Ayn Randers just dropped a load in their britches

Comment by livingonli on 07/15/2008 14:43:13
Quote by wickedpam:

he doesn't think $4-5/gas that's killing our economy is an emergency! You fuckhead shitface pain in the ass doofus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Because he's an elitist prick who doesn't know how average people live. He's as clueless as his dad was when he didn't know what a barcode scanner was.

Comment by wickedpam on 07/15/2008 14:43:20
Quote by Raine:

Quote by wickedpam:

he doesn't think $4-5/gas that's killing our economy is an emergency! You fuckhead shitface pain in the ass doofus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


:thud:



Mala cursed, NOW I know we are in a bad state.



:P I am just teasin ya, you know.








I couldn't stop myself, my left eye was getting twitchy and I had to let my evil alter ego out a little. :redface:



Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 14:43:26
I still contend that most polling firms don't call cell phone users. Gallup is the only one, to my knowledge, that does.

Comment by BobR on 07/15/2008 14:43:30
Quote by Raine:



:thud:



Mala cursed, NOW I know we are in a bad state.



:P I am just teasin ya, you know.


I was gonna say the same thing!! :rofl:



wow!

Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 14:45:28
Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by Raine:

Quote by wickedpam:

he doesn't think $4-5/gas that's killing our economy is an emergency! You fuckhead shitface pain in the ass doofus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


:thud:



Mala cursed, NOW I know we are in a bad state.



:P I am just teasin ya, you know.








I couldn't stop myself, my left eye was getting twitchy and I had to let my evil alter ego out a little. :redface:

pfff. let it go, sistah! sometimes you gotta let 'er rip!



Comment by Mondobubba on 07/15/2008 14:45:44
Quote by starling310:

Quote by Mondobubba:



:Emily Litella: Never mind. :Changes subjects: So, Star how was the ball game??




It was AWESOME!!!



My lady friend surprised me with the tickets for my birthday!!

It was the 2 of us and 2 of my closest friends. The weather was perfect! And, the game was great! We saw Kevin Youklis' first Grand Slam evah.

And, I do NOT admit to taking a Moral Holiday and eating any meat products while I was there.




:hisses, hunches: Excellent! Always a good time to be have at the old ball yard. Even when it is broken down, dilapidated, obstructed sight line, ramshackle, place like Fenway. Tri and other Sox fans I keed, I keed because I love! :rofl:



Mmm Camden Yards Polish sausage, grilled onions and peppers : flashback: Thems good eats. So are the crab cakes.



Comment by Mondobubba on 07/15/2008 14:47:36
Quote by wickedpam:

he doesn't think $4-5/gas that's killing our economy is an emergency! You fuckhead shitface pain in the ass doofus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!






OMG! Is this a sign that the world is ending? Or is Mala just really PO'ed? Wow.

Comment by starling310 on 07/15/2008 14:48:20
Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by starling310:

Quote by Mondobubba:



:Emily Litella: Never mind. :Changes subjects: So, Star how was the ball game??




It was AWESOME!!!



My lady friend surprised me with the tickets for my birthday!!

It was the 2 of us and 2 of my closest friends. The weather was perfect! And, the game was great! We saw Kevin Youklis' first Grand Slam evah.

And, I do NOT admit to taking a Moral Holiday and eating any meat products while I was there.




:hisses, hunches: Excellent! Always a good time to be have at the old ball yard. Even when it is broken down, dilapidated, obstructed sight line, ramshackle, place like Fenway. Tri and other Sox fans I keed, I keed because I love! :rofl:



Mmm Camden Yards Polish sausage, grilled onions and peppers : flashback: Thems good eats. So are the crab cakes.





Dissin' Fenway? :bringiton:



Comment by Mondobubba on 07/15/2008 14:48:48
Quote by BobR:

Quote by Raine:

He is advocating for a regulator?!?!? Are you shitting me?


All the Ayn Randers just dropped a load in their britches






I do hope they are wearing brown pants today.

Comment by m-hadley on 07/15/2008 14:49:49
Quote by starling310:

Quote by Mondobubba:



:Emily Litella: Never mind. :Changes subjects: So, Star how was the ball game??




It was AWESOME!!!



My lady friend surprised me with the tickets for my birthday!!

It was the 2 of us and 2 of my closest friends. The weather was perfect! And, the game was great! We saw Kevin Youklis' first Grand Slam evah.

And, I do NOT admit to taking a Moral Holiday and eating any meat products while I was there.




Happee Happee Birthdee Little Shining Star

:dance2:

Glad you had a fun celebration - how young are you now?

Cheers,

your roomie

mfaye

:hug:

Comment by livingonli on 07/15/2008 14:51:26
Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by BobR:

Quote by Raine:

He is advocating for a regulator?!?!? Are you shitting me?


All the Ayn Randers just dropped a load in their britches






I do hope they are wearing brown pants today.


Very brown pants indeed. Their world view just collapsed on them.



Hey, come on, if you leave everything to the free market, any problem takes care of themselves.

Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 14:51:32
Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by BobR:

Quote by Raine:

He is advocating for a regulator?!?!? Are you shitting me?


All the Ayn Randers just dropped a load in their britches






I do hope they are wearing brown pants today.






Depends?

Comment by wickedpam on 07/15/2008 14:51:42
Happy B-Day !

Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 14:52:49
Shhh, it isn't until the 18th (or am I mistaken?)

Comment by wickedpam on 07/15/2008 14:54:17
Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by wickedpam:

he doesn't think $4-5/gas that's killing our economy is an emergency! You fuckhead shitface pain in the ass doofus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!






OMG! Is this a sign that the world is ending? Or is Mala just really PO'ed? Wow.






Thing is I swear like a southern, I just use nicer words and it's all in the tone.



I mean Sugar is something that can go from sweetie to bitch depending on the person. And yes ma'am as just another way to say FU in the right situation. :)



Comment by starling310 on 07/15/2008 14:55:09
Quote by m-hadley:

Quote by starling310:

Quote by Mondobubba:



:Emily Litella: Never mind. :Changes subjects: So, Star how was the ball game??




It was AWESOME!!!



My lady friend surprised me with the tickets for my birthday!!

It was the 2 of us and 2 of my closest friends. The weather was perfect! And, the game was great! We saw Kevin Youklis' first Grand Slam evah.

And, I do NOT admit to taking a Moral Holiday and eating any meat products while I was there.




Happee Happee Birthdee Little Shining Star

:dance2:

Glad you had a fun celebration - how young are you now?

Cheers,

your roomie

mfaye

:hug:




Capt is right...it actually isn't until Friday.

But, My LF had a hard time finding tickets...all the games were Sold Out.

I'll be 31!



Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 14:55:19
capt... Are you on the facebook crack?

Comment by livingonli on 07/15/2008 14:55:35
Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by wickedpam:

he doesn't think $4-5/gas that's killing our economy is an emergency! You fuckhead shitface pain in the ass doofus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!






OMG! Is this a sign that the world is ending? Or is Mala just really PO'ed? Wow.






Thing is I swear like a southern, I just use nicer words and it's all in the tone.



I mean Sugar is something that can go from sweetie to bitch depending on the person. And yes ma'am as just another way to say FU in the right situation. :)



Sometimes you just gotta let it out. And with Chimpy as President, there has been much to curse about.

Comment by starling310 on 07/15/2008 14:55:38
Quote by capt:

Shhh, it isn't until the 18th (or am I mistaken?)




You are correct!

How did you know? Facebook?



Comment by Mondobubba on 07/15/2008 14:56:20
Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by wickedpam:

he doesn't think $4-5/gas that's killing our economy is an emergency! You fuckhead shitface pain in the ass doofus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!






OMG! Is this a sign that the world is ending? Or is Mala just really PO'ed? Wow.






Thing is I swear like a southern, I just use nicer words and it's all in the tone.



I mean Sugar is something that can go from sweetie to bitch depending on the person. And yes ma'am as just another way to say FU in the right situation. :)







Oh yes indeed. I hear that. :rofl:

Comment by BobR on 07/15/2008 14:56:22
Quote by starling310:





Capt is right...it actually isn't until Friday.

But, My LF had a hard time finding tickets...all the games were Sold Out.

I'll be 31!



The 2nd anniversary of your 29th ;)

Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 14:56:27
You can get statistics to say anything you want. Well, fifty percent of the time.

Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 14:57:25
Where the F*CK is kkKarl!?!?!?!







Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 14:57:59
Quote by starling310:

Quote by capt:

Shhh, it isn't until the 18th (or am I mistaken?)




You are correct!

How did you know? Facebook?





I think you mentioned it would be in one week on the 11th. I don't facebook. I can barely keep up between here and the liveblog.



Early HAPPY HAPPY!



Comment by starling310 on 07/15/2008 15:00:51
Quote by BobR:

Quote by starling310:





Capt is right...it actually isn't until Friday.

But, My LF had a hard time finding tickets...all the games were Sold Out.

I'll be 31!



The 2nd anniversary of your 29th ;)




Exactly!!!



It's kind of weird...now that the "Mommy Gene" has apparently kicked in, I feel like I am getting old really quickly!







Comment by Mondobubba on 07/15/2008 15:01:00
Quote by starling310:

Quote by m-hadley:

Quote by starling310:

Quote by Mondobubba:



:Emily Litella: Never mind. :Changes subjects: So, Star how was the ball game??




It was AWESOME!!!



My lady friend surprised me with the tickets for my birthday!!

It was the 2 of us and 2 of my closest friends. The weather was perfect! And, the game was great! We saw Kevin Youklis' first Grand Slam evah.

And, I do NOT admit to taking a Moral Holiday and eating any meat products while I was there.




Happee Happee Birthdee Little Shining Star

:dance2:

Glad you had a fun celebration - how young are you now?

Cheers,

your roomie

mfaye

:hug:




Capt is right...it actually isn't until Friday.

But, My LF had a hard time finding tickets...all the games were Sold Out.

I'll be 31!





I'm old enough to be Random's daddy and :star:'s weird uncle.

Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 15:01:54
That sonofbiatch...



Former White House adviser Karl Rove on Monday defended his defiance of a congressional subpoena, saying he's offered lawmakers other ways to question him about allegations of political pressure at the Justice Department.



In five letters to the House Judiciary Committee, "my lawyer has offered for me to go up to visit with members of Congress, visit with the staff or respond to written questions without foreclosing any future action by Congress," Rove said.



Rove, now a Fox News contributor, was responding to questions from Television Critics Association members during a Fox News panel session.



John Moody, Fox News executive vice president, was asked if it undercuts the channel's credibility to have someone with Rove's "political baggage" in its lineup.



Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 15:05:36
I love this open mike stuff - are you all listening in?

Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 15:09:37
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/blogphotos/Blog_New_Yorker_Obama_Remix.jpg




Now THAT would have been funnier - satirer (?)

Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 15:11:31
Bobber? Do I need to ask you if you are into se sex orgies?

Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 15:13:06
Ren and Stimpy!!! :banana:

Comment by BobR on 07/15/2008 15:13:30
Quote by Raine:

Bobber? Do I need to ask you if you are into se sex orgies?


After this past weekend, you should already know the answer! :P

Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 15:13:48
HE may not use computers, but he sure as hell uses the AmEx...

Comment by BobR on 07/15/2008 15:15:07
Quote by Raine:

Ren and Stimpy!!! :banana:




Comment by m-hadley on 07/15/2008 15:15:31
I am officially old enough to be all ya'lls' mother - I will be Five-Oh in Sept - ugh !

Cheers,

mfaye :P

:peace:

Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 15:15:50
It's 3 am and John McCain needs to read an email....







Comment by Mondobubba on 07/15/2008 15:15:53
Bril Shane-O. Bril!

Comment by Mondobubba on 07/15/2008 15:16:57
Quote by m-hadley:

I am officially old enough to be all ya'lls' mother - I will be Five-Oh in Sept - ugh !

Cheers,

mfaye :P

:peace:






Only if you had your twins Mondo and Bobber when you were two!

Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 15:17:37
Quote by m-hadley:

I am officially old enough to be all ya'lls' mother - I will be Five-Oh in Sept - ugh !

Cheers,

mfaye :P

:peace:
naw... my big sistah! (unless you got active REALLY early... EEP!)



Comment by Shane-O on 07/15/2008 15:18:23
Quote by starling310:

Quote by capt:

Shhh, it isn't until the 18th (or am I mistaken?)




You are correct!

How did you know? Facebook?

Happy Birthday, :star:

An audicon in anticipation for you:

Comment by starling310 on 07/15/2008 15:19:01
Quote by m-hadley:

I am officially old enough to be all ya'lls' mother - I will be Five-Oh in Sept - ugh !

Cheers,

mfaye :P

:peace:




You would've had to have me at 19!!!



Most of my friends are between the ages of 44-56.

Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 15:19:34
Quote by BobR:

Quote by Raine:

Bobber? Do I need to ask you if you are into se sex orgies?


After this past weekend, you should already know the answer! :P


Hey now...

Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 15:21:15
Quote by Shane-O:

Quote by starling310:

Quote by capt:

Shhh, it isn't until the 18th (or am I mistaken?)




You are correct!

How did you know? Facebook?

Happy Birthday, :star:

An audicon in anticipation for you:
AWESOME EW&F!!!



Comment by starling310 on 07/15/2008 15:21:26
Quote by Shane-O:

Quote by starling310:

Quote by capt:

Shhh, it isn't until the 18th (or am I mistaken?)




You are correct!

How did you know? Facebook?

Happy Birthday, :star:

An audicon in anticipation for you:




Thanks Shane-O!







Comment by BobR on 07/15/2008 15:21:50
Quote by m-hadley:

I am officially old enough to be all ya'lls' mother - I will be Five-Oh in Sept - ugh !

Cheers,

mfaye :P

:peace:


sorry dear. You've only got a year and a half on me.

Comment by Mondobubba on 07/15/2008 15:23:35
http://www.cars.com/features/autoshows/2006/detroit/coverage/images/concept_Saturn_Vue_hybrid_side_cs_430.jpg




The Saturn Vue



http://www.fahrcar.com/porsche-new-911-turbo-side.jpg




A hot little sports car



They look nothing like each other

Comment by wickedpam on 07/15/2008 15:25:00
This song is just as bad for an ear worm!

Comment by starling310 on 07/15/2008 15:26:19
:: caller :: Dodge Dart!

Comment by Shane-O on 07/15/2008 15:26:23
Tomorrow - 1:30 p.m. EST the pannel with Steph will be streamed here.



I'll do my best to do a screen capture and/or record it from C-SPAN (that's if they run it) and put it up on the YouTubes for those who may miss it.

Comment by livingonli on 07/15/2008 15:27:38
Quote by Raine:

Quote by m-hadley:

I am officially old enough to be all ya'lls' mother - I will be Five-Oh in Sept - ugh !

Cheers,

mfaye :P

:peace:
naw... my big sistah! (unless you got active REALLY early... EEP!)



I'm 41 so you couldn't be my mother. I'm just a few months older than Raine.

Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 15:28:28
Shane-o rocks!



As always!

Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 15:29:41
:usa:


Comment by Mondobubba on 07/15/2008 15:31:05
Quote by starling310:

:: caller :: Dodge Dart!




The family Mondo had one. Green, with the slant six engine. Three speed automatic transmission, vinyl seats, A/C that would give you frostbite. I dunno how many long family trips were taken in that car. Brother Mondo can attest to the of the Dart's ability in lawn busting donuts! :rofl:

Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 15:32:00
Quote by BobR:

Quote by m-hadley:

I am officially old enough to be all ya'lls' mother - I will be Five-Oh in Sept - ugh !

Cheers,

mfaye :P

:peace:


sorry dear. You've only got a year and a half on me.




Only about one year on me too so . . .







Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 15:33:26
Thanks for the link Shane-O.

Comment by Mondobubba on 07/15/2008 15:34:54
Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 15:36:40


Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 15:37:56
Quote by Mondobubba:

Cryptosporidium




EW, that can be very bad stuff.

Comment by wickedpam on 07/15/2008 15:38:22
Quote by capt:

Quote by BobR:

Quote by m-hadley:

I am officially old enough to be all ya'lls' mother - I will be Five-Oh in Sept - ugh !

Cheers,

mfaye :P

:peace:


sorry dear. You've only got a year and a half on me.




Only about one year on me too so . . .









Now I know how Jan and Peter felt, I'm soildly in the middle with Liv and a few others.



Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 15:39:15
Marcia, Marcia Marcia!

Comment by Mondobubba on 07/15/2008 15:41:54
Shatner talk show

Comment by livingonli on 07/15/2008 15:42:11
Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by capt:

Quote by BobR:

Quote by m-hadley:

I am officially old enough to be all ya'lls' mother - I will be Five-Oh in Sept - ugh !

Cheers,

mfaye :P

:peace:


sorry dear. You've only got a year and a half on me.




Only about one year on me too so . . .









Now I know how Jan and Peter felt, I'm soildly in the middle with Liv and a few others.



I guess Random is the baby in our group.

Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 15:42:42
Quote by Mondobubba:

Shatner talk show




Will strike a nerve - no doubt!









Comment by starling310 on 07/15/2008 15:43:15
I have to say. . .I still feel icky about Obama's use of phrases like "If another attack happens. . . " I know, it's something of a neccessity due to the environment that has been created. However, enemies are always "out there." And, it used to be (prior to the great F*ck up that is the past 8 years ) the responsibility of the CIA, the FBI and the Pentagon to make sure they stayed at bay and didn't harm American People. We never really heard about it, but were secure it was getting done.

I just feel like "Terrorist Talk" from either side is Fear Mongering a bit.



I know. I know. He's got to do it....I am just voicing my opinion that I miss the days when it wasn't an issue that the American People had to worry about on a daily basis.



"Mommy, what if terrorists attack us?" I mean, come on.



Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 15:43:32
How old is Random?

Comment by velveeta jones on 07/15/2008 15:45:00
Morning all! :yawn:



Velveeta Hussain Jones checking in.......then checking out......(to bed).



Drove to a concert last night 4 hours away. Stayed up all night with my friend, the choreographer, then drove back home.



Tired now.



:thud:



(Great show though!!!!!!!)

Comment by Mondobubba on 07/15/2008 15:45:47
Quote by capt:

Quote by Mondobubba:

Shatner talk show




Will strike a nerve - no doubt!













Best audiocon evah! LOVE it, it works in so many sitches.



Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 15:46:27
Quote by starling310:

I have to say. . .I still feel icky about Obama's use of phrases like "If another attack happens. . . " I know, it's something of a neccessity due to the environment that has been created. However, enemies are always "out there." And, it used to be the responsibility of the CIA, the FBI and the Pentagon to make sure they stayed at bay and didn't harm American People. We never really heard about it, but were secure it was getting done.

I just feel like "Terrorist Talk" from either side is Fear Mongering a bit.



I know. I know. He's got to do it....I am just voicing my opinion that I miss the days when it wasn't an issue that the American People had to worry about on a daily basis.



"Mommy, what if terrorists attack us?" I mean, come on.







I have a better feeling about it when he speaks to the issue than other politicians. I'm not sure why. I guess it is because he is smart - I don't say that about many politicians. I disagree with him on many things - he is WAY off on a few things but he is smart and seems a little sincere.



I guess Bunnypants set the bar so low . . .





Comment by starling310 on 07/15/2008 15:46:57
Quote by capt:

How old is Random?




I think he's 20, or so?



Comment by livingonli on 07/15/2008 15:47:30
Quote by capt:

How old is Random?


He's either 19 or 20. He's a college student.

Comment by starling310 on 07/15/2008 15:49:35
Quote by capt:

Quote by starling310:

I have to say. . .I still feel icky about Obama's use of phrases like "If another attack happens. . . " I know, it's something of a neccessity due to the environment that has been created. However, enemies are always "out there." And, it used to be the responsibility of the CIA, the FBI and the Pentagon to make sure they stayed at bay and didn't harm American People. We never really heard about it, but were secure it was getting done.

I just feel like "Terrorist Talk" from either side is Fear Mongering a bit.



I know. I know. He's got to do it....I am just voicing my opinion that I miss the days when it wasn't an issue that the American People had to worry about on a daily basis.



"Mommy, what if terrorists attack us?" I mean, come on.







I have a better feeling about it when he speaks to the issue than other politicians. I'm not sure why. I guess it is because he is smart - I don't say that about many politicians. I disagree with him on many things - he is WAY off on a few things but he is smart and seems a little sincere.



I guess Bunnypants set the bar so low . . .







I agree. I don't think he is as sinister. However, it's the use of phrases that have been co-opted by the NeoCons and used to make people scared for 8 years that concerns me just a little. Boo!



Please note: I am NOT WHINING!







Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 15:50:19
Random must be quite mature.



I was not so much so at 20, I couldn't hold a conversation with my 20 year old self, no way - he was a pip!





Comment by livingonli on 07/15/2008 15:51:43
Steaming pile of Shat.

Comment by wickedpam on 07/15/2008 15:52:10
Maybe this will make the beer taste better.

Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 15:57:21
Quote by capt:

Marcia, Marcia Marcia!




Comment by livingonli on 07/15/2008 15:57:48
Damn it. My firefox keeps crashing.

Comment by Will in Chicago on 07/15/2008 15:59:33
Good morning, bloggers!!



TriSec, great blog entry.



By the way, the UNN Daily Headlines are up.

Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 16:04:56
How can ANYONE vote for this man?

In Arizona, we’ve seen a pattern of this sort of humor. Long time Arizonenses remember the “seizure world” comment that poked fun at the elderly, ironic now that he’s the oldest candidate for president (I guess it was inevitable that it would become ironic). I managed to dig up this gem from his 1986 race for US Senate, as quoted in the Tucson Citizen:



Did you hear the one about the woman who is attacked on the street by a gorilla, beaten senseless, raped repeatedly and left to die? When she finally regains consciousness and tries to speak, her doctor leans over to hear her sigh contently and to feebly ask, ‘Where is that marvelous ape?’



Comment by TriSec on 07/15/2008 16:06:50
Ok, back in the race!



: skims below :



Did I miss a conversation about the legendary Dodge Dart?



My first car was a Plymouth Scamp, very similar to your Dodge Darts in most respects...



Which leads directly to February 5, 1987....still the worst day of my life. (although July 14, 2003 probably rates a close second.)



1987 - my only major accident, car totalled, I walked away. (my aforementioned Scamp)

2003 - laid off for the 2nd time that year, beginning all our 'troubles'.



Anyway, I digress.



Tour done, clients happy, then a meeting. So much for the second half of the show today. :kickcan:





Comment by starling310 on 07/15/2008 16:08:48
Ooohhh....Naomi Klein is going to be on with Thom.



Comment by livingonli on 07/15/2008 16:11:00
Quote by starling310:

Ooohhh....Naomi Klein is going to be on with Thom.



I'm waiting with anticipation.

Comment by BobR on 07/15/2008 16:11:59
Quote by capt:



dunno... I think it needs more cowbell...

Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 16:12:00
No context!

Comment by starling310 on 07/15/2008 16:12:32
I love Thom. He just summed up why the NewYorker cartoon doesn't work in 1 sentence. He was calm and objective.

1) There is no truth to the cartoon.

2) There is no context.



Erego, it doesn't "work." Period.



THOM.

Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 16:15:41
Gotta love the Thom! He is a very smart feller.



I may not agree with him on everything but there isn't an issue that he hasn't taught me something I didn't know.



Better than most of the "talkers" that pretend to know stuff.

Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 16:16:10
I swear on everything. Sunday night i said to Bob, if Fox news was used on the cover, it would have made sense as satire.



INTENDED TARGETS are needed for satire to work!

Comment by starling310 on 07/15/2008 16:17:10
Quote by capt:

Gotta love the Thom! He is a very smart feller.



I may not agree with him on everything but there isn't an issue that he hasn't taught me something I didn't know.



Better than most of the "talkers" that pretend to know stuff.




I just love how Objective he can be. He doesn't get "Screechy and Unhinged," etc.

Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 16:17:35
In my best Monty Burns from the Simpsons:





EGGGGGGGGGGGactly. . .





Comment by starling310 on 07/15/2008 16:18:24
Quote by Raine:

I swear on everything. Sunday night i said to Bob, if Fox news was used on the cover, it would have made sense as satire.



INTENDED TARGETS are needed for satire to work!




totally! They should've consulted with John Stewart.

Seriously! Do they have editors!?!?

Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 16:18:24
:wub2: Thom....

Comment by clintster on 07/15/2008 16:19:23
We're nowhere near it here, but...







This is SPAAARRTTAAAAHHHH!!!!!11111eleventyone1!!!!!

Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 16:20:01
Quote by starling310:

Quote by capt:

Gotta love the Thom! He is a very smart feller.



I may not agree with him on everything but there isn't an issue that he hasn't taught me something I didn't know.



Better than most of the "talkers" that pretend to know stuff.




I just love how Objective he can be. He doesn't get "Screechy and Unhinged," etc.




I would never be able to keep my cool as he does. I aspire to be that balanced and strong. He simply thanks some kook for the call? He asserts great power in his kind words.



He really shows a level of class that is rare anywhere these days.





Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 16:21:32
That is the other problem, there was a terrible lack of editorial and art direction with this cover. No way, if I were a part of the mag team would I have given this an ok. It has nothing to do with the article... which, is usually the intended purpose of cover art.



::: steps off art directors soap box :::



He is a great illustrator, no doubt, but this was just bad choices all around.

Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 16:23:19
Comment by starling310 on 07/15/2008 16:23:59
Quote by Raine:

That is the other problem, there was a terrible lack of editorial and art direction with this cover. No way, if I were a part of the mag team would I have given this an ok. It has nothing to do with the article... which, is usually the intended purpose of cover art.



::: steps off art directors soap box :::



He is a great illustrator, no doubt, but this was just bad choices all around.




Oh. Absolutely! It's clear where the artist was going. There should have been editorial guidance on this one.





Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 16:24:00
Quote by clintster:

We're nowhere near it here, but...







This is SPAAARRTTAAAAHHHH!!!!!11111eleventyone1!!!!!




OMG!



Had me clapping and foot tapping!





Comment by trojanrabbit on 07/15/2008 16:25:55
Quote by capt:

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/blogphotos/Blog_New_Yorker_Obama_Remix.jpg




Now THAT would have been funnier - satirer (?)






:rofl: :rofl:

Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 16:27:02
oooOOOooo an illustrator!

Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 16:29:00
See? Me and Thom agree again! (sorry, it's just that this subject, an artist doing a job is kinda close to the heart for me)



Blitt has done some amazing covers for the New Yorker.

Comment by starling310 on 07/15/2008 16:29:26
The Dark Knight opens on my birthday!





Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 16:31:00
Quote by starling310:

The Dark Knight opens on my birthday!









THAT's how I knew your B-day - you said "Mama Mia" opens on your b-day a thread or two back.



FWIW



Comment by starling310 on 07/15/2008 16:31:28
Quote by Raine:

See? Me and Thom agree again! (sorry, it's just that this subject, an artist doing a job is kinda close to the heart for me)



Blitt has done some amazing covers for the New Yorker.




An artist being commissioned by a client with an entire Editorial and Creative staff should never be held fully accountable. The New Yorker should have pulled it, or had Blitt make a change.



Thom is right and so is the loverly Raine!

Comment by starling310 on 07/15/2008 16:33:12
Quote by capt:

Quote by starling310:

The Dark Knight opens on my birthday!









THAT's how I knew your B-day - you said "Mama Mia" opens on your b-day a thread or two back.



FWIW





:: monica geller :: I know! 2 movies that I want to see opening on my birthday!!! It's very exciting.



Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 16:35:08
Quote by Raine:

See? Me and Thom agree again! (sorry, it's just that this subject, an artist doing a job is kinda close to the heart for me)



Blitt has done some amazing covers for the New Yorker.




Like the cartoons of Mohammad - the artist is not at fault for the publication.



More so it reminds me of a quote (always with the quotes)



You're confusing product with process. Most people, when they criticize, whether they like it or hate it, they're talking about product. That's not art, that's the result of art. Art, to whatever degree we can get a handle on (I'm not sure that we really can) is a process. It begins in the heart and the mind with the eyes and hands.



~ Jeff Melvoin, Northern Exposure, Fish Story, 1994




Mind you, I don't think you're confusing anything but people who might try to blame the artist would be confusing the product with the process.





Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 16:40:57
Fun with misspelled words . . . .





The "Ney Wonker" magazine?

Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 16:41:25
Those Yahoos also don't read the New yorker... so it goes to another problem with the cover...



The New Yorker is showing itself to be elitist.

Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 16:43:04


Comment by starling310 on 07/15/2008 16:44:11
I don't think Thom is being uptight, Dave in SanFran. He is stating an opinion that it doesn't meet the criteria for Satire. I haven't heard him call for the heads of the New Yorker's Editors on stakes, or anything. Sheesh. Maybe Dave needs to lighten up.

Comment by livingonli on 07/15/2008 16:44:47
Quote by starling310:

Quote by capt:

Quote by starling310:

The Dark Knight opens on my birthday!









THAT's how I knew your B-day - you said "Mama Mia" opens on your b-day a thread or two back.



FWIW





:: monica geller :: I know! 2 movies that I want to see opening on my birthday!!! It's very exciting.



Good thing I get paid on Thursday since my cash flow right now is a little short.

Comment by trojanrabbit on 07/15/2008 16:45:55
Quote by livingonli:

Damn it. My firefox keeps crashing.




OK I was just going to ask if anyone else was using Firefox.



Are you having problems with the AudiCons? Firefox won't play them, insists I need QuickTime installed (which it is) but won't automatically install it and when I manually do the install it doesn't matter anyway.



I'm missing half the fun without the AudiCons.

Comment by livingonli on 07/15/2008 16:46:45
Quote by Raine:

Those Yahoos also don't read the New yorker... so it goes to another problem with the cover...



The New Yorker is showing itself to be elitist.


The ignorant idjits at WorldNut Daily are actually taking this cover as proof that Obama is a secret Muslim and all the other lies the right has been spreading.

Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 16:47:59
:wub2: Capt... I love that quote! Keep on quotin'

Comment by starling310 on 07/15/2008 16:47:59
When I grow up, I want to be like Thom Hartmann.



Comment by livingonli on 07/15/2008 16:49:42
Quote by trojanrabbit:

Quote by livingonli:

Damn it. My firefox keeps crashing.




OK I was just going to ask if anyone else was using Firefox.



Are you having problems with the AudiCons? Firefox won't play them, insists I need QuickTime installed (which it is) but won't automatically install it and when I manually do the install it doesn't matter anyway.



I'm missing half the fun without the AudiCons.


That's an odd one. I just had some extensions updated which may be causiing my Firefox to wig out. Have had Quicktime (and iTunes) on my computer for some time.



Odd indeed.

Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 16:53:09
Good NEWS! From Rasmussen:



Minnesota: Obama’s Lead Over McCain Climbs to 18%



Iowa: Obama takes 10% lead over McCain



:gobama:

Comment by BobR on 07/15/2008 16:55:46
Quote by trojanrabbit:





OK I was just going to ask if anyone else was using Firefox.



Are you having problems with the AudiCons? Firefox won't play them, insists I need QuickTime installed (which it is) but won't automatically install it and when I manually do the install it doesn't matter anyway.



I'm missing half the fun without the AudiCons.


Hmmm - I just tried loading up FireFox (ver 2.0.0.12) on my Windows machine, and had no problems...

Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 16:55:53
Quote by Raine:

Good NEWS! From Rasmussen:



Minnesota: Obama’s Lead Over McCain Climbs to 18%



Iowa: Obama takes 10% lead over McCain



:gobama:




WOO HOO!!!! I hope the numbers just roll all over gramps.



Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 16:57:08
I am gonna start calling him Thom sHmartman

Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 16:58:00
Diversity? Wow, that caller is so radical!

Comment by wickedpam on 07/15/2008 16:59:02
From DCRTV -



MAL Targets Rejected Righties - 7/15 - Are you a lonely conservative? Everyone else at your office a loudmouth lefty? Yeah, the DC area, even the suburbs, does lean heavily Democratic. And, with the Republican Party's running an almost-Democrat for president, forlorn GOPers can take heart. Righty talker WMAL's there for you. An oasis of sanity in liberal Loonieville. According to new promos now airing on Citadel's 630 AM.....








Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 17:00:06
I have a confession to make. I despise the Firefox 3.0.



I have been using Safari.

Comment by wickedpam on 07/15/2008 17:00:30
Anyone have the link to that panel Steph was going to be on? Someone posted it earlier, it was like londonembassy.com or something like that.

Comment by wickedpam on 07/15/2008 17:06:35
I was looking for a gift for my grillin' crazy cousin-in-law and found this.



Icthus Steak Branding Iron





How long before it get's used on something other then steak?

Comment by livingonli on 07/15/2008 17:06:40
Quote by Raine:

I have a confession to make. I despise the Firefox 3.0.



I have been using Safari.


What's wrong with it? I'm still using the old version.

Comment by wickedpam on 07/15/2008 17:07:36
Comment by starling310 on 07/15/2008 17:08:13
Quote by Raine:

I am gonna start calling him Thom sHmartman




I was on hold for him once! Didn't make it on though.

Comment by livingonli on 07/15/2008 17:10:11
Quote by Shane-O:

Tomorrow - 1:30 p.m. EST the pannel with Steph will be streamed here.



I'll do my best to do a screen capture and/or record it from C-SPAN (that's if they run it) and put it up on the YouTubes for those who may miss it.


:bump: for Mala.

Comment by wickedpam on 07/15/2008 17:11:20
Holy Crap it's amazing what you find when you don't mean to! What the hell is he going to brand, a tumble weed!

Comment by wickedpam on 07/15/2008 17:11:41
Quote by livingonli:

Quote by Shane-O:

Tomorrow - 1:30 p.m. EST the pannel with Steph will be streamed here.



I'll do my best to do a screen capture and/or record it from C-SPAN (that's if they run it) and put it up on the YouTubes for those who may miss it.


:bump: for Mala.






Danka! :hug:

Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 17:13:26
http://www.steakbrandingirons.com/photos/RepublicanBrandingIron-2.jpg




Line 'em up!





Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 17:17:18
:wacko: it's failing becuase people aren't playing by the rules?!?!?!





:thud:

Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 17:23:59
That we are to stand by the president, right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. ~ Theodore Roosevelt
capt got me in the mood...

Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 17:31:03
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens cannot cure.

~Dwight D. Eisenhower (1890 - 1969)


Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 17:32:39
Our American values are not luxuries but necessities, not the salt in our bread, but the bread itself. Our common vision of a free and just society is our greatest source of cohesion at home and strength abroad, greater than the bounty of our material blessings.

~ Jimmy Carter (1924 - )


Comment by trojanrabbit on 07/15/2008 17:36:46
Quote by BobR:

Quote by trojanrabbit:





OK I was just going to ask if anyone else was using Firefox.



Are you having problems with the AudiCons? Firefox won't play them, insists I need QuickTime installed (which it is) but won't automatically install it and when I manually do the install it doesn't matter anyway.



I'm missing half the fun without the AudiCons.


Hmmm - I just tried loading up FireFox (ver 2.0.0.12) on my Windows machine, and had no problems...






I'll have to see what version I'm running when I get home.

Comment by wickedpam on 07/15/2008 17:39:26
Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by livingonli:

Quote by Shane-O:

Tomorrow - 1:30 p.m. EST the pannel with Steph will be streamed here.



I'll do my best to do a screen capture and/or record it from C-SPAN (that's if they run it) and put it up on the YouTubes for those who may miss it.


:bump: for Mala.






Danka! :hug:






hmmmm - should have started 7 min ago.....



Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 17:40:25
Quote by trojanrabbit:

Quote by BobR:

Quote by trojanrabbit:





OK I was just going to ask if anyone else was using Firefox.



Are you having problems with the AudiCons? Firefox won't play them, insists I need QuickTime installed (which it is) but won't automatically install it and when I manually do the install it doesn't matter anyway.



I'm missing half the fun without the AudiCons.


Hmmm - I just tried loading up FireFox (ver 2.0.0.12) on my Windows machine, and had no problems...






I'll have to see what version I'm running when I get home.




I just fired up ver. 2.0.0.9 - no problems FWIW



Comment by starling310 on 07/15/2008 17:40:51
I better go move my money around!!!!



Oh wait...I don't have anywhere near 100K.

Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 17:41:11


Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 17:44:01
All my eggs? I dunno if what I have constitutes even one egg?



(hint: I would need many times what I have to worry about the $100k issue)





Comment by starling310 on 07/15/2008 17:45:29
Quote by capt:

All my eggs? I dunno if what I have constitutes even one egg?



(hint: I would need many times what I have to worry about the $100k issue)







HA! I hear that.

I definitely couldn't make an omelette with my savings.



Comment by TriSec on 07/15/2008 17:46:41
Afternoon folks!



Did we miss this a couple weeks back? I mean seriously....you can't make this stuff up.





Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 17:54:29
Barack would be TOAST if he campaigned on military spending cuts but we do have to cut the crazy military (spending, size, etc.)

Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 17:57:51
Quote by TriSec:

Afternoon folks!



Did we miss this a couple weeks back? I mean seriously....you can't make this stuff up.





Wedge issue... which works for LArry Craig's wide stance...



I am not gay. I never have been gay. I love my wife.

Oh Larry, you never fail to make me smile.

Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 17:59:23
Quote by Raine:

Quote by TriSec:

Afternoon folks!



Did we miss this a couple weeks back? I mean seriously....you can't make this stuff up.





Wedge issue... which works for LArry Craig's wide stance...



I am not gay. I never have been gay. I love my wife.

Oh Larry, you never fail to make me smile.




Well, he never says he will never be gay in the future so he has that going for him . . .



Comment by Will in Chicago on 07/15/2008 18:00:43
Back.



The new refrigerator/freezer arrived. So, I can now relax and get back to a few things.



Naomi Kleini s coming up next on Thom Hartmann. As I missed most of the show, I think I may listen to the show at 2 PM Central. (WCPT AM 820 in Chicago has Ed Schultz live, followed by Thom.)

Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 18:02:16
It's not a bailout, it is a "hold off the crash until after the election" loan.





Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 18:06:35
McCain is older than a GPA!





Comment by Mondobubba on 07/15/2008 18:06:52
Quote by capt:

Quote by trojanrabbit:

Quote by BobR:

Quote by trojanrabbit:





OK I was just going to ask if anyone else was using Firefox.



Are you having problems with the AudiCons? Firefox won't play them, insists I need QuickTime installed (which it is) but won't automatically install it and when I manually do the install it doesn't matter anyway.



I'm missing half the fun without the AudiCons.


Hmmm - I just tried loading up FireFox (ver 2.0.0.12) on my Windows machine, and had no problems...






I'll have to see what version I'm running when I get home.




I just fired up ver. 2.0.0.9 - no problems FWIW





I'm on V 3.0 o' Firefox no problems here.

Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 18:10:27


Comment by trojanrabbit on 07/15/2008 18:10:52
Quote by capt:

Quote by trojanrabbit:

Quote by BobR:

Quote by trojanrabbit:





OK I was just going to ask if anyone else was using Firefox.



Are you having problems with the AudiCons? Firefox won't play them, insists I need QuickTime installed (which it is) but won't automatically install it and when I manually do the install it doesn't matter anyway.



I'm missing half the fun without the AudiCons.


Hmmm - I just tried loading up FireFox (ver 2.0.0.12) on my Windows machine, and had no problems...






I'll have to see what version I'm running when I get home.




I just fired up ver. 2.0.0.9 - no problems FWIW





Hehe.....Fire....hehe.....Fire.....hehe....Fire

Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 18:11:03
May I ask a silly question regarding this Wiretapping?



What if someone like Naomi Klien got a cell phone from say, France?

Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 18:13:12
Quote by Raine:

May I ask a silly question regarding this Wiretapping?



What if someone like Naomi Klien got a cell phone from say, France?






Obviously she's a terrorist?





Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 18:17:06
I mean, if she needs to call another country, Say Holland, and her service provider is in say France, would that be outside the FISA rules?

Comment by starling310 on 07/15/2008 18:20:02
Did I miss Naomi!?!? DAMMIT!

Comment by livingonli on 07/15/2008 18:21:56
Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by livingonli:

Quote by Shane-O:

Tomorrow - 1:30 p.m. EST the pannel with Steph will be streamed here.



I'll do my best to do a screen capture and/or record it from C-SPAN (that's if they run it) and put it up on the YouTubes for those who may miss it.


:bump: for Mala.






Danka! :hug:






hmmmm - should have started 7 min ago.....



It didn't because it's tomorrow.

Comment by Mondobubba on 07/15/2008 18:25:44
Rio just gave me a, "why do you hate my freedoms, are you terrorist Dad?" look.

Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 18:28:11
Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 18:29:08
Quote by Raine:

I mean, if she needs to call another country, Say Holland, and her service provider is in say France, would that be outside the FISA rules?




Nothing is outside of FISA but that is a secret - so you didn't hear it here . .







Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 18:36:17
:rofl: Thom talking about the Gramm Porn story!!! :rofl:

Comment by starling310 on 07/15/2008 18:42:33
Anybody see this site? The Middle Class



Pretty interesting.

BBOX of course gets A/A+s!!



Comment by BobR on 07/15/2008 18:48:10


that seems a little... sacreligious...

Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 18:50:56
I have been signed up at Megavote.net



http://capwiz.com/thenation/megavote/



What it does is email with what my senators and my congresscritter have voted on and what votes are coming up with links to contact and or call. It has been great, very simple.



FWIW

Comment by starling310 on 07/15/2008 18:52:00
Momma just used the word 'Shell-Shocked' to describe how she feels as a middle class American - - -



I'm pretty shell-shocked at this point. I will be 56 in August, and I have NEVER seen this country the way it is today. It is really awful!




My response?

Yes, it is.

And, sadly we let it happen. Re-Electing ( aka letting them steal the election ) George Bush was the worst mistake this country could have made.

People bought into the fear. They bought into the lie that only Bush could "keep them safe," when he didn't keep us safe in the first place. And, while people were living in fear and being told to go shopping, these criminals were stealing our money AND worse, our freedoms. And, we let it happen.



If you really want an eye opening read, check out "shock doctrine" by Naomi Klein. She breaks down how corrupt governments have and continue to take advantage of "shell-shocked" populations....Mussolini did it, Pinochet did it.....George W. Bush is still doing it.

It's an amazing book. I've actually got the Audio Book. I can put it onto CDs for you.


Comment by starling310 on 07/15/2008 18:54:39
Thanks Capt! I signed up. That's a great thing.



Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 18:59:41
Quote by starling310:

Thanks Capt! I signed up. That's a great thing.





One of the best things about it? It always reminds me what I can do something about but also I can quit worrying about what the others are doing - I can't vote the other bastids out of office but I can concentrate a laser on those three.







Comment by wickedpam on 07/15/2008 19:00:13
Quote by livingonli:

Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by livingonli:

Quote by Shane-O:

Tomorrow - 1:30 p.m. EST the pannel with Steph will be streamed here.



I'll do my best to do a screen capture and/or record it from C-SPAN (that's if they run it) and put it up on the YouTubes for those who may miss it.


:bump: for Mala.






Danka! :hug:






hmmmm - should have started 7 min ago.....



It didn't because it's tomorrow.










Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 19:01:07
Democrats do it liberally!





Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 19:04:25
Mark my words, the "run" on the banks (like the one at Indymac) will not be regular folks trying to get their cash, the real run is all done on paper by the other banks and their run is what breaks the bank. There isn't enough cash in circulation to fund a run that has the numbers to break a bank. The SOB's will have already extracted their pound of flesh before the doors open to the public. It is business after all is said and done.









Comment by starling310 on 07/15/2008 19:05:15
Quote by capt:

Quote by starling310:

Thanks Capt! I signed up. That's a great thing.





One of the best things about it? It always reminds me what I can do something about but also I can quit worrying about what the others are doing - I can't vote the other bastids out of office but I can concentrate a laser on those three.













Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 19:10:07
Obama could lie to me for two terms, I like hearing him talk. I never liked Bush, not one bit.



I never expected to agree with Obama on everything - I was closer to Kucinich but I don't cringe when he speaks - THAT is a start!





Comment by livingonli on 07/15/2008 19:13:27
Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by livingonli:



It didn't because it's tomorrow.
















Comment by livingonli on 07/15/2008 19:15:59
Barack Obama will be on Larry King tonight for the howah.

Comment by livingonli on 07/15/2008 19:28:48
Why are the righties so big on psychoanalysis now? I thought they hated psychology since it interferes with the black and white thinking when dealing with the complexities of the human mind.

Comment by starling310 on 07/15/2008 19:30:01
Quote by livingonli:

Why are the righties so big on psychoanalysis now? I thought they hated psychology since it interferes with the black and white thinking when dealing with the complexities of the human mind.




It's because Ted Haggard and the like have taught them that if you can say you have an "illness" and go to rehab, all is forgiven.



Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 19:36:38
The whole idea of rehab was made respectable for repugs by Betty Ford.



Drunk driving - rehab, homosexual rehab, pedophile - rehab.



It is a way to get out from under responsibility for personal behavior and or mistakes.



See, it is not you fault if you are high or addicted to something. . .



I guess the assumption is fix the one thing and they can get back to suppressing the other?





Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 19:46:27
Quote by capt:

Quote by starling310:

Thanks Capt! I signed up. That's a great thing.





One of the best things about it? It always reminds me what I can do something about but also I can quit worrying about what the others are doing - I can't vote the other bastids out of office but I can concentrate a laser on those three.





I just signed up too! this is awesome!



Altho, I must say with Chambliss :puke} and Isaackson well I always know how they are gonna vote.



:worry: I hope John Lewis win the primary today...



Comment by Mondobubba on 07/15/2008 19:47:14
Quote by BobR:



that seems a little... sacreligious...






Why that is the perfect accessory for your five hour BDSM orgy! : links Momma's News of the World obsession to the blog semi-obsession:

Comment by TriSec on 07/15/2008 19:47:28
Mass Senate votes to repeal 1913 marriage law



The Massachusetts Senate today passed a bill that would repeal a 1913 state law that prevents gay and lesbian couples from most other states from marrying in Massachusetts.



The bill, which had the support of Senate President Therese Murray, passed with no objections on a voice vote. Proponents of the repeal called the 1913 law archaic and discriminatory.



"There are very few laws on the books that I can say that I'm ashamed that they're on the books," said State Senator Mark Montigny, a New Bedford Democrat. He said he opposed the law because of the "immorality of discrimination."



"This is a very simple law, contrived in shame, and it exists in shame and we ought to wipe it off the books," he said.



"The 1913 law is a shadow, a terrible shadow. It represents a segregationist past that is best put to rest and put to rest quickly," said Senator Harriette Chandler, a Worcester Democrat.



The law originated when lawmakers in many states were trying to prevent interracial couples from crossing state lines to marry. It fell into obscurity for decades. But it received new attention in 2004, when Republican Governor Mitt Romney invoked it after gay marriage was legalized in Massachusetts to prevent out-of-state gay and lesbian couples from marrying here and forcing their home states to consider recognizing Massachusetts marriage law.

Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 19:48:10
Randi talking about all the ---'stan's, I just thought of a new one.. Su-stidy-stan... :P

Comment by livingonli on 07/15/2008 19:54:23
Hi Stan. :waves:

Comment by Mondobubba on 07/15/2008 19:55:15
Quote by capt:

The whole idea of rehab was made respectable for repugs by Betty Ford.



Drunk driving - rehab, homosexual rehab, pedophile - rehab.



It is a way to get out from under responsibility for personal behavior and or mistakes.



See, it is not you fault if you are high or addicted to something. . .



I guess the assumption is fix the one thing and they can get back to suppressing the other?







Don't denigrate Betty Ford like that! She took the stigma out of drug and alcohol addiction for many many people. It isn't just Republicans that take advantage of "rehab." Celebutards to it as well. We are in a a rehab culture where you make your mea culpa in public then go to a rehab place as an act of contrition. This cheapens rehab for people who are there wrestling with the their personal demons and trying to get cleaned up. My cousin goes to Al Anon to deal with being the child of an alcoholic, so don't do a blanket dump on rehab!



:puts soapbox to one side:

Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 19:56:45
New Obama Ad on Leadership



The script of the new Obama ad, with Mr. Obama speaking:



We are a beacon of light around the world. At least that’s what we can be again. That’s what we should be again.



The single most important national security threat that we face is nuclear weapons falling into the hands of terrorists.



What I did was reach out to Senator Dick Lugar, a Republican, to help lock down loose nuclear weapons.



We have to lead the entire world to reduce that threat.



We can restore America’s leadership in the world.







So far so good!

Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 19:59:16
Raine :heart:'s Massachusetts!

Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 20:00:22
Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by capt:

The whole idea of rehab was made respectable for repugs by Betty Ford.



Drunk driving - rehab, homosexual rehab, pedophile - rehab.



It is a way to get out from under responsibility for personal behavior and or mistakes.



See, it is not you fault if you are high or addicted to something. . .



I guess the assumption is fix the one thing and they can get back to suppressing the other?







Don't denigrate Betty Ford like that! She took the stigma out of drug and alcohol addiction for many many people. It isn't just Republicans that take advantage of "rehab." Celebutards to it as well. We are in a a rehab culture where you make your mea culpa in public then go to a rehab place as an act of contrition. This cheapens rehab for people who are there wrestling with the their personal demons and trying to get cleaned up. My cousin goes to Al Anon to deal with being the child of an alcoholic, so don't do a blanket dump on rehab!



:puts soapbox to one side:








I posted nothing against rehab in general just the repugs abuse of it. Nothing against Betty just that she made it respectable for repugs.



Soapbox aside. Rehab is for people looking for solutions not politicians looking for cover.



Many people from all stripes have used the "cover" angle and some have abused it. IMO







Comment by livingonli on 07/15/2008 20:04:06
And now it's time to head off to the salt mine. Talk to y'all later.

Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 20:04:16
:cry: It's the last All Star game at Yankee stadium...

Comment by starling310 on 07/15/2008 20:05:50
:star: Massachusetts 2!!!



Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 20:06:05
We are in a a rehab culture where you make your mea culpa in public then go to a rehab place as an act of contrition. This cheapens rehab for people who are there wrestling with the their personal demons and trying to get cleaned up.




That is what I was trying to say, exactly. Mostly the celeb's and pol's - that and the likes of Ted Haggard "rehabbing" from being homosexual? THAT is just crazy talk.



Comment by Mondobubba on 07/15/2008 20:06:06
Quote by TriSec:

Mass Senate votes to repeal 1913 marriage law



The Massachusetts Senate today passed a bill that would repeal a 1913 state law that prevents gay and lesbian couples from most other states from marrying in Massachusetts.



The bill, which had the support of Senate President Therese Murray, passed with no objections on a voice vote. Proponents of the repeal called the 1913 law archaic and discriminatory.



"There are very few laws on the books that I can say that I'm ashamed that they're on the books," said State Senator Mark Montigny, a New Bedford Democrat. He said he opposed the law because of the "immorality of discrimination."



"This is a very simple law, contrived in shame, and it exists in shame and we ought to wipe it off the books," he said.



"The 1913 law is a shadow, a terrible shadow. It represents a segregationist past that is best put to rest and put to rest quickly," said Senator Harriette Chandler, a Worcester Democrat.



The law originated when lawmakers in many states were trying to prevent interracial couples from crossing state lines to marry. It fell into obscurity for decades. But it received new attention in 2004, when Republican Governor Mitt Romney invoked it after gay marriage was legalized in Massachusetts to prevent out-of-state gay and lesbian couples from marrying here and forcing their home states to consider recognizing Massachusetts marriage law.






Why does the Commonwealth hate America? With your laws letting the gays marry and the low deevorce rate you are embarrassing the rest of 'Murica.



Speaking of gay marriage, it is Florida's turn to vote against a horrible, homophobic anti-gay marriage amendment that will make it impossible for companies to offer domestic partnership benefits to anybody gay or straight! I give you amendment 2. You would think that the yahoo wing of the GOP would stop this nonsense when the Fortune 500, winter home in Palm Beach money wing of the party tells them to stop, this is bad for business, but no.

Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 20:08:14
Mass progress!



An old segregationist law like that needs to go!

Comment by Mondobubba on 07/15/2008 20:11:58
Quote by capt:

Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by capt:

The whole idea of rehab was made respectable for repugs by Betty Ford.



Drunk driving - rehab, homosexual rehab, pedophile - rehab.



It is a way to get out from under responsibility for personal behavior and or mistakes.



See, it is not you fault if you are high or addicted to something. . .



I guess the assumption is fix the one thing and they can get back to suppressing the other?







Don't denigrate Betty Ford like that! She took the stigma out of drug and alcohol addiction for many many people. It isn't just Republicans that take advantage of "rehab." Celebutards to it as well. We are in a a rehab culture where you make your mea culpa in public then go to a rehab place as an act of contrition. This cheapens rehab for people who are there wrestling with the their personal demons and trying to get cleaned up. My cousin goes to Al Anon to deal with being the child of an alcoholic, so don't do a blanket dump on rehab!



:puts soapbox to one side:








I posted nothing against rehab in general just the repugs abuse of it. Nothing against Betty just that she made it respectable for repugs.



Soapbox aside. Rehab is for people looking for solutions not politicians looking for cover.



Many people from all stripes have used the "cover" angle and some have abused it. IMO











I think we are in agreement Capt. : Awkward man hug:

Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 20:13:06
Awkward? Come ere you!



*Bearhug*





Comment by TriSec on 07/15/2008 20:15:41
Quote by Raine:

:cry: It's the last All Star game at Yankee stadium...




Much as I hate the Sith, I never had anything against Yankee Stadium....so much baseball history there. I'm sorry to see it go.



And just so Steinbrenner can have more luxury boxes. Was there anything really "wrong" with the Stadium?







Comment by TriSec on 07/15/2008 20:20:12
I find this passage disturbing...



If passed, the amendment will ban all recognition and benefits for unmarried couples, straight and gay. It will block civil unions, domestic partnership and repeal existing protections and family benefits relied upon by millions of Floridians.




The WWII geek in me says this is reminiscent of one of the early decrees barring Jews from German civil service, but I can't find it online right now...







Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 20:20:43
Quote by TriSec:

Quote by Raine:

:cry: It's the last All Star game at Yankee stadium...




Much as I hate the Sith, I never had anything against Yankee Stadium....so much baseball history there. I'm sorry to see it go.



And just so Steinbrenner can have more luxury boxes. Was there anything really "wrong" with the Stadium?









I think even stadiums just get old? I mean ever since I found out pearls turn yellow with age, the second law of thermodynamics has been my culprit for all things obsolete.







What was I saying?







Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 20:23:30
Adults are just obsolete children and the hell with them.

~ Dr. Seuss (1904 - 1991)


Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 20:25:11
there was nothing wrong with yankee staadium... :sniff: She was a beauty.

Comment by TriSec on 07/15/2008 20:25:49
Ah yes, here it is.



This in particular seems......similar.



Marriages between Jews and citizens of German or kindred blood are forbidden. Marriages concluded in defiance of this law are void, even if, for the purpose of evading this law, they were concluded abroad.






Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 20:27:16
Quote by TriSec:

I find this passage disturbing...



If passed, the amendment will ban all recognition and benefits for unmarried couples, straight and gay. It will block civil unions, domestic partnership and repeal existing protections and family benefits relied upon by millions of Floridians.




The WWII geek in me says this is reminiscent of one of the early decrees barring Jews from German civil service, but I can't find it online right now...





Why would ANYONE want to move to florida?



OR work there?



Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 20:32:39
Quote by Raine:

Quote by TriSec:

I find this passage disturbing...



If passed, the amendment will ban all recognition and benefits for unmarried couples, straight and gay. It will block civil unions, domestic partnership and repeal existing protections and family benefits relied upon by millions of Floridians.




The WWII geek in me says this is reminiscent of one of the early decrees barring Jews from German civil service, but I can't find it online right now...





Why would ANYONE want to move to florida?



OR work there?





I think the people that move to Florida have all been abducted by aliens. They had a post-hypnotic suggestion that heat and high humidity and living near swaps and gators is a good idea.



Well, that's what happened to my family that moved there. . .







Comment by starling310 on 07/15/2008 20:39:29
I hate when Randi is rude to callers for no reason. This guy with the tree analogy was making a good point, Randi!



psst :: corner of mouth :: "subsidise."



Comment by starling310 on 07/15/2008 20:41:21
When I started looking for a Mortgage, I was "approved" for $250,000!!!

It took me knowing, having done the research, that I could not afford that much.



Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 20:41:52
Regarding Massachusetts.... we need some more libs to vote in this poll!





Boston.com asks Should out-of-state gay couples be allowed to get married in Massachusetts?

Comment by starling310 on 07/15/2008 20:43:01
Ick...Randi...God, she can be a bEEYATCH sometimes!



Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 20:43:53
It is worse that Randi is saying, the effer's were able to project both the defaults and the losses and they were pretty close.



This was all completely avoidable and predictable.



It is institutional theft, not illegal but should be.

Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 20:44:59
HEY! Randi just admitted she can't say Subsidy...





you think she reads the blog??

Comment by starling310 on 07/15/2008 20:45:34
I heard that !







Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 20:47:49
Quote by starling310:

When I started looking for a Mortgage, I was "approved" for $250,000!!!

It took me knowing, having done the research, that I could not afford that much.





When we went looking to buy they tried like hell to get us to take a no-down mortgage - (I am still dumbfounded).



We ended up doing exactly what is reasonable - we put about 30% down, fixed rate 20 year - then we pay a little extra each month and will be paid in 16 years.



The financial stuff can confuse attorneys and judges how are regular folks suppose to get a fair shake?



UGH!

Comment by starling310 on 07/15/2008 20:50:24
Quote by capt:

Quote by starling310:

When I started looking for a Mortgage, I was "approved" for $250,000!!!

It took me knowing, having done the research, that I could not afford that much.





When we went looking to buy they tried like hell to get us to take a no-down mortgage - (I am still dumbfounded).



We ended up doing exactly what is reasonable - we put about 30% down, fixed rate 20 year - then we pay a little extra each month and will be paid in 16 years.



The financial stuff can confuse attorneys and judges how are regular folks suppose to get a fair shake?



UGH!




I did do a no-down, because I didn't have 20%...but, it was a 1st time Home-Owner loan, so it was a fixed rate of 5.875% and I bought a condo for a LOT (less than half) less than what I was "approved" for.





Comment by trojanrabbit on 07/15/2008 21:01:49
Bah.



I sorta expected that the livestream wouldn't play when the time came and sure enough I recorded 3 hours of silence.



I'm trying not to be whiny but it would have been nice if the between hours stuff was made available to those who are actually paying for the 'cast. Oh well.



Thanks in advance to Shane-O for working to record tomorrow's panel.

Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 21:05:26
Quote by starling310:

Quote by capt:

Quote by starling310:

When I started looking for a Mortgage, I was "approved" for $250,000!!!

It took me knowing, having done the research, that I could not afford that much.





When we went looking to buy they tried like hell to get us to take a no-down mortgage - (I am still dumbfounded).



We ended up doing exactly what is reasonable - we put about 30% down, fixed rate 20 year - then we pay a little extra each month and will be paid in 16 years.



The financial stuff can confuse attorneys and judges how are regular folks suppose to get a fair shake?



UGH!




I did do a no-down, because I didn't have 20%...but, it was a 1st time Home-Owner loan, so it was a fixed rate of 5.875% and I bought a condo for a LOT (less than half) less than what I was "approved" for.







What blew me away is that we had the cash for a down and they acted like they didn't want it (at first) - the whole darn world is topsy-turvy these days.





Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 21:06:42
Trust Fund set up for Tony Snow's family.



ok, YES, I am jaded. VERY jaded.



Will you all set up a trust fund for my family when I leave? How the hell did his family end up in a place where this is needed?



He had a radio show, he worked for Fox, and the White house...

Comment by starling310 on 07/15/2008 21:08:11
Quote by capt:

Quote by starling310:

Quote by capt:

Quote by starling310:

When I started looking for a Mortgage, I was "approved" for $250,000!!!

It took me knowing, having done the research, that I could not afford that much.





When we went looking to buy they tried like hell to get us to take a no-down mortgage - (I am still dumbfounded).



We ended up doing exactly what is reasonable - we put about 30% down, fixed rate 20 year - then we pay a little extra each month and will be paid in 16 years.



The financial stuff can confuse attorneys and judges how are regular folks suppose to get a fair shake?



UGH!




I did do a no-down, because I didn't have 20%...but, it was a 1st time Home-Owner loan, so it was a fixed rate of 5.875% and I bought a condo for a LOT (less than half) less than what I was "approved" for.







What blew me away is that we had the cash for a down and they acted like they didn't want it (at first) - the whole darn world is topsy-turvy these days.







Oh! That's weird.

Yeah, I explained to my Mortgage Lender ( who ended up being my girlfriend for a year ) that I didn't have a down payment, so she structured the loan through CHFA. It meant I could only pick from certain condos and had to stay under a certain amount, but I was glad to buy something on my own before I was 30. If I had tried to save 20% on my own, i would have been renting forever.





Comment by trojanrabbit on 07/15/2008 21:08:37
Quote by capt:

Quote by trojanrabbit:

Quote by BobR:

Quote by trojanrabbit:





OK I was just going to ask if anyone else was using Firefox.



Are you having problems with the AudiCons? Firefox won't play them, insists I need QuickTime installed (which it is) but won't automatically install it and when I manually do the install it doesn't matter anyway.



I'm missing half the fun without the AudiCons.


Hmmm - I just tried loading up FireFox (ver 2.0.0.12) on my Windows machine, and had no problems...






I'll have to see what version I'm running when I get home.




I just fired up ver. 2.0.0.9 - no problems FWIW







I thought I updated this thing yesterday yet it's at 2.0.0.6.



Oh, goody. Lucky the cat's coming to visit and give me some loves.

Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 21:15:02
Here is what I get for the current -



http://bp3.blogger.com/_MS7_pHb7lpQ/SH0TLEKY35I/AAAAAAAABv8/pi9bAeXMK44/s400/Mozilla.jpg


Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 21:17:51
Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 21:21:32
Quote by starling310:

Quote by capt:

Quote by starling310:

Quote by capt:

Quote by starling310:

When I started looking for a Mortgage, I was "approved" for $250,000!!!

It took me knowing, having done the research, that I could not afford that much.





When we went looking to buy they tried like hell to get us to take a no-down mortgage - (I am still dumbfounded).



We ended up doing exactly what is reasonable - we put about 30% down, fixed rate 20 year - then we pay a little extra each month and will be paid in 16 years.



The financial stuff can confuse attorneys and judges how are regular folks suppose to get a fair shake?



UGH!




I did do a no-down, because I didn't have 20%...but, it was a 1st time Home-Owner loan, so it was a fixed rate of 5.875% and I bought a condo for a LOT (less than half) less than what I was "approved" for.







What blew me away is that we had the cash for a down and they acted like they didn't want it (at first) - the whole darn world is topsy-turvy these days.







Oh! That's weird.

Yeah, I explained to my Mortgage Lender ( who ended up being my girlfriend for a year ) that I didn't have a down payment, so she structured the loan through CHFA. It meant I could only pick from certain condos and had to stay under a certain amount, but I was glad to buy something on my own before I was 30. If I had tried to save 20% on my own, i would have been renting forever.







We were sure we would die renters. We lived here in ABQ for ten years renting. Joy's dad had a couple of IRA's in her name - they were cut in half in 2000 so when the numbers were up a bit we figured it made sense to put that money into a down and quit renting.



We ended up with a nice little place (almost new when we bought it).



When we first met we lived in a "week to week" hotel with our kitty. Then went three years without a car. . .



We've come a long way baby!





Comment by Mondobubba on 07/15/2008 21:25:34
Quote by Raine:

Quote by TriSec:

I find this passage disturbing...



If passed, the amendment will ban all recognition and benefits for unmarried couples, straight and gay. It will block civil unions, domestic partnership and repeal existing protections and family benefits relied upon by millions of Floridians.




The WWII geek in me says this is reminiscent of one of the early decrees barring Jews from German civil service, but I can't find it online right now...





Why would ANYONE want to move to florida?



OR work there?





Now keep in kind that there are FOUR other laws in Florida banning gay marriage. No that isn't good for the yahoos here. Gotta be in the constitution. : eyeroll:



Now when I moved here the Republitards didn't own the entire state. There was a Democrat in the governor's mansion. The GOP didn't have complete control of the legislature. Now that is GOP Gone Wild, we end up things like Amendment Two.

Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 21:27:22
Capt... I love that Ms. capt's name is joy...

Comment by Mondobubba on 07/15/2008 21:29:35
Walked down to the shoe store at the local strip mall. Nice walk and back I got stink eye from a couple of neighborhood cats. The what the hell are you doing on my sidewalk one.

Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 21:35:38
Quote by Raine:

Capt... I love that Ms. capt's name is joy...




She is truly a Happy happy Joy Joy!



My pet name for her is Joybles (can't remember where we got that)



She HATES her name when we have to pick out greeting cards. We have to avoid the "Have a Joyous . . ." and all the "Joy to the world" stuff just sounds weird coming from an actual Joy.



She is Dutch - went to primary and secondary school in Holland and France, her dad worked with the WHO (world health org not the band) - she speaks several languages and is a genius (high IQ geek)



I must be stoned - I'm prattling on blah blah blah . . .



Comment by BobR on 07/15/2008 22:16:30
Oil prices plunged today...



So are we going to see gasoline prices plunge too?





Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 22:22:15
Yummm.. I love Sliced tomatoes.

Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 22:23:14
http://img.slate.com/media/38/080715_ed.gif


Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 22:26:54
McCAin DID say today that he knows how to win wars.



How, exactly?



Did he learn in the many times he got shot down? Did he learn on the USS forrester?

Did he learn in a POW camp?





McCain doesn't know how to win wars... if anything, he has shown that he doesn't know how to fight in them.



[flame away]



McCain may be called a hero for his POW status, but the rest of his record sucks --- BIG TIME.



(edited for clarity and to fix typos)

Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 22:29:06
Woohoo! They overrode bush's nasty Medicaid veto!



Senator Kennedy, I am smiling with you right now.

Comment by trojanrabbit on 07/15/2008 22:32:01
Quote by capt:

Here is what I get for the current -



http://bp3.blogger.com/_MS7_pHb7lpQ/SH0TLEKY35I/AAAAAAAABv8/pi9bAeXMK44/s400/Mozilla.jpg




That's what I'm running now as well.



Uninstalled, then reinstalled Quicktime. I can go to Stephanie's website, click on a show in the archive and it brings up Quicktime and the show plays. But no dice at 4F, still insists on downloading the plugin but won't find it. And I will NOT use IE.



This stuff works fine on the laptop, it's just damn slow. Think I'll turn in early, it's much cooler in the bedroom.



Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 22:33:21
KING: But I've heard a lot of others comment on it. We haven't heard you speak about it yet. That "New Yorker" cover which depicts you and your wife, and you dressed in a Muslim outfit, your wife in a kind of military outfit, Osama bin Laden's picture burning, what do you make of that?



SEN. BARACK OBAMA (D-IL), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Well, I know it was The New Yorker's attempt at satire. I don't think they were entirely successful with it. But you know what? It's a cartoon, Larry, and that's why we've got the First Amendment.



And I think the American people are probably spending a little more time worrying about what's happening with the banking system and the housing market, and what's happening in Iraq and Afghanistan, than a cartoon.



So I haven't spent a lot of time thinking about it.



KING: But didn't it personally sting you?



OBAMA: No. You know, we've -- one of the things when you're running for president for almost two years is, you get a pretty thick skin.



And, you know, I've seen and heard worse.



I do think that, you know, in attempting to satirize something, they probably fueled some misconceptions about me instead.







And



KING: Considering that, though, there's a lot of e-mails going around. It gets rather terrible. A "Newsweek" poll shows that 12 percent of America believes that you're a Muslim, and 26 believe -- 26 percent believe you were raised in a Muslim home. A lot of misinformation.



How do you fight that?



OBAMA: Well, you know, by getting on "Larry King" and telling everybody I'm a Christian and I wasn't raised in a Muslim home. And pledge allegiance to the flag. And, you know, all the things that have been reported in these e-mails are completely untrue and have been debunked again and again and again. So, all you can do is just tell the truth and trust in the American people that over time, they're going to know what the truth is.



One last point I want to -- I do want to make about these e-mails, though. And I think this has an impact on this "New Yorker" cover.



You know, this is actually an insult against Muslim-Americans, something that we don't spend a lot of time talking about. And sometimes I've been derelict in pointing that out.



You know, there are wonderful Muslim-Americans all across the country who are doing wonderful things. And for this to be used as sort of an insult, or to raise suspicions about me, I think is unfortunate. And it's not what America's all about.







(kos)

Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 22:36:57
So Capt, this is a prerecorded interview?



I will have it on the DVR. We have some plans for the evening... Sadly, and happily, it starts about teh time Larry king comes on (for the Hour!!)

Comment by BobR on 07/15/2008 22:37:36
One last point I want to -- I do want to make about these e-mails, though. And I think this has an impact on this "New Yorker" cover.



You know, this is actually an insult against Muslim-Americans, something that we don't spend a lot of time talking about. And sometimes I've been derelict in pointing that out.



You know, there are wonderful Muslim-Americans all across the country who are doing wonderful things. And for this to be used as sort of an insult, or to raise suspicions about me, I think is unfortunate. And it's not what America's all about.


:clap:

Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 22:39:18
trojanrabbit,



I run into stuff like that too. UGH!



It is like these machines have a personality sometimes, like they are moody or whatnot. We used to say the likelyhood of your machine breaking down is directly proportional to how important the work is.



Try sweet talking it, offer a little canned air? (like candy to machines)





Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 22:40:40
Thanks for that capt. IT looks like it will be amazing to watch.



John Stewart will be banging his desk with so little to make fun of! Damn America for choosing an intelligent articulate and well spoken man to run for the office of the President of the United States!



(See? Raine can do satire too... )

Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 22:42:32
Quote by Raine:

So Capt, this is a prerecorded interview?



I will have it on the DVR. We have some plans for the evening... Sadly, and happily, it starts about teh time Larry king comes on (for the Hour!!)




You can't record on two channels? That was one of our first considerations. We have to be able to record one and watch another so two tuners. It rocks!



I just saw the clipped text at Kos it is from Politico with no link to audio or a complete text.







Comment by BobR on 07/15/2008 22:46:36
Quote by capt:





You can't record on two channels? That was one of our first considerations. We have to be able to record one and watch another so two tuners. It rocks!



I just saw the clipped text at Kos it is from Politico with no link to audio or a complete text.







we can record it. We just won't be home to watch it.



Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 22:54:37
"President Bush and Sen. McCain lump all the threats together," said Biden. "Al Qaeda, the Shia militia, listen to them speak. Listen to my friend Joe Lieberman, and he really is a friend, listen to them speak. Find me a distinction that they make. As a consequence of this profound confusion they make profound mistakes. The idea that al Qaeda will cooperate with the philistine, a guy who in fact used to run the country in Iraq, the guy who did away with the caliphate... is completely contrary to anything that the now-dead leader of Iraq had in mind. It's dangerous. How can we run a sound foreign policy without understanding these decisions? How can we talk about a Shiite-dominated nation cooperating with a Sunni dominated Wahabi sect of Islam as if they had anything in common? Yet listen to my friends, listen to the president, listen to Joe Lieberman, listen to John McCain. Ladies and gentlemen, if they can't define the enemy we are fighting it is very difficult to define whether we have won or lost."







Holy Shi'ite Senator Biden - Where has that fire in the belly been? I love it when he talks like that



fromBiden Praises Obama's Spine, Tells McCain To Study History

Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 22:55:31
What bobber said... Our plans are outside de casa de Bob&Raine...

Comment by trojanrabbit on 07/15/2008 23:00:54
Quote by capt:

trojanrabbit,



I run into stuff like that too. UGH!



It is like these machines have a personality sometimes, like they are moody or whatnot. We used to say the likelyhood of your machine breaking down is directly proportional to how important the work is.



Try sweet talking it, offer a little canned air? (like candy to machines)







Nah, I'm going the "tough love" route. I've cut off its electron supply for the night.



Comment by livingonli on 07/15/2008 23:03:12
I forgot to set the DVR to record it. I will probably record the 3 AM airing.

Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 23:04:46
Might be on the tubes or ?? later too. . .





Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 23:06:47
Best line in a long time Biden:



As a consequence of this profound confusion they make profound mistakes.



Maybe a bit on the nose but . . .

Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 23:10:45
Dying Manson follower denied prison release



I am against the death penalty but I believe "life in prison" means they leave prison feet first.



To consider letting Atkins out makes no sense and shows no compassion for the Tates and others surviving family members.



Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 23:15:52
Did you hear John McCain’s Woman/Rape/Gorilla Joke?



I managed to dig up this gem from his 1986 race for US Senate, as quoted in the Tucson Citizen:



Did you hear the one about the woman who is attacked on the street by a gorilla, beaten senseless, raped repeatedly and left to die? When she finally regains consciousness and tries to speak, her doctor leans over to hear her sigh contently and to feebly ask, ‘Where is that marvelous ape?’



I find rape jokes are always a sign of class, don’t you?





Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 23:26:56
Got this in my email from *Team SM* (jazz hands, spirit fingers, flamingo stance)

Just a reminder that you can tune in to see Stephanie live at

*"Politics & Pundits - The Influence of Talk Media on Elections and

Democracy"* which is being presented at the United States Embassy in

London this week, according to US state department sources. The event

is organized by the Cultural Affairs section of U.S. Embassy, London ,

in partnership with YouGovStone and media partner, the/ Financial

Times/. The event will take place on July 16 from 6:00 p.m. 1800, GMT

, 2PM ET, 11AM PT) in the auditorium of the U.S. Embassy, 24 Grosvenor

Square , London , W1.



The program will be webcast live on the internet via the websites of

the Financial Times right here <http://www.ft.com/usdiscussion



and the U.S. Embassy right here < TARGET="_blank">http://london.usembassy.gov/webtv/>

. The panel will take questions submitted by internet viewers (this

could be YOU)


Comment by livingonli on 07/15/2008 23:27:12
Quote by capt:

Did you hear John McCain’s Woman/Rape/Gorilla Joke?



I managed to dig up this gem from his 1986 race for US Senate, as quoted in the Tucson Citizen:



Did you hear the one about the woman who is attacked on the street by a gorilla, beaten senseless, raped repeatedly and left to die? When she finally regains consciousness and tries to speak, her doctor leans over to hear her sigh contently and to feebly ask, ‘Where is that marvelous ape?’



I find rape jokes are always a sign of class, don’t you?





Right up there with the stupid idiot who said "just relax and enjoy it."

Comment by Raine on 07/15/2008 23:28:50
Quote by capt:

Did you hear John McCain’s Woman/Rape/Gorilla Joke?



I managed to dig up this gem from his 1986 race for US Senate, as quoted in the Tucson Citizen:



Did you hear the one about the woman who is attacked on the street by a gorilla, beaten senseless, raped repeatedly and left to die? When she finally regains consciousness and tries to speak, her doctor leans over to hear her sigh contently and to feebly ask, ‘Where is that marvelous ape?’



I find rape jokes are always a sign of class, don’t you?



Capt . dude... I posted that this morning!



:rofl:



Comment by capt on 07/15/2008 23:30:40
Quote by Raine:

Quote by capt:

Did you hear John McCain’s Woman/Rape/Gorilla Joke?



I managed to dig up this gem from his 1986 race for US Senate, as quoted in the Tucson Citizen:



Did you hear the one about the woman who is attacked on the street by a gorilla, beaten senseless, raped repeatedly and left to die? When she finally regains consciousness and tries to speak, her doctor leans over to hear her sigh contently and to feebly ask, ‘Where is that marvelous ape?’



I find rape jokes are always a sign of class, don’t you?



Capt . dude... I posted that this morning!



:rofl:





I missed that!



Whoop's!



Comment by Mondobubba on 07/15/2008 23:47:33
Quote by capt:

Dying Manson follower denied prison release



I am against the death penalty but I believe "life in prison" means they leave prison feet first.



To consider letting Atkins out makes no sense and shows no compassion for the Tates and others surviving family members.





Aw poor Sadie May Glutz (AKA Susan Denise Atkins).



WARNING MONDO WILL NOW SHOW A COMPLETE LACK OF COMPASSION



:spoiler:





Brain cancer? Couldn't happen to a nicer person.

Comment by Mondobubba on 07/16/2008 00:00:34
DRRM or KO on Countdown tonight. It is the All Star Game tonight, sO I'm going with Dr Maddow...



I'm right. Like that was toughie.

Comment by capt on 07/16/2008 00:02:47
Rachel Maddow - - - *brain swoon*





Comment by Raine on 07/16/2008 00:11:50
:kickcan: Ko is AT the AllStar game tonite...



We are going out... I am going to DVR Larry King, for the howah!

Comment by Raine on 07/16/2008 00:12:37
Oh, and WE ALWAYS DVR KO... so I get the good Dr. anyways!

Comment by Mondobubba on 07/16/2008 00:31:21
Quote by capt:

Rachel Maddow - - - *brain swoon*









Back off! Dr Maddow is mine! :breaks beer bottle: :rofl:

Comment by capt on 07/16/2008 00:50:46
Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by capt:

Rachel Maddow - - - *brain swoon*









Back off! Dr Maddow is mine! :breaks beer bottle: :rofl:




*runs screaming*





Comment by MMB on 07/16/2008 01:17:55
Hold on guys she is probaly "INVOLVED"

Comment by capt on 07/16/2008 01:27:21
Quote by MMB:

Hold on guys she is probaly "INVOLVED"




Um, ergo *brain swoon* as opposed to plain old swoon.



Comment by Mondobubba on 07/16/2008 02:02:17
Quote by MMB:

Hold on guys she is probaly "INVOLVED"






She is totally involved. Her girlfriend, Susan would have something to say!

Comment by TriSec on 07/16/2008 02:18:37
Well, good evening folks!



Back from a succesfully blatty evening at the ol' music school...



Checking out the All-Snore game....



The Lair of the Sith is positively glistening tonight in those blimp shots.



Comment by Mondobubba on 07/16/2008 02:35:56
Watching the last Carlin special on HBO. "I call Barbara Bush the Silver Douchebag." :rofl:

Comment by Mondobubba on 07/16/2008 02:40:02
Quote by TriSec:

Well, good evening folks!



Back from a succesfully blatty evening at the ol' music school...



Checking out the All-Snore game....



The Lair of the Sith is positively glistening tonight in those blimp shots.





Oh forgot all about it. Looks like its a real riveting contest. The guy they just interviewed listened to Crash Davis about talking to the press.



Comment by MMB on 07/16/2008 02:49:16
Hope everyone is having a great night. Mondo and Capt. I was just joshing about the chances of getting the "woman"

Comment by livingonli on 07/16/2008 02:54:57
Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by TriSec:

Well, good evening folks!



Back from a succesfully blatty evening at the ol' music school...



Checking out the All-Snore game....



The Lair of the Sith is positively glistening tonight in those blimp shots.





Oh forgot all about it. Looks like its a real riveting contest. The guy they just interviewed listened to Crash Davis about talking to the press.



Reaction here at work (and this place is filled with sports nuts).



Is this why the All-Star Game always has crappy ratings?



Some of my colleagues were more glued to the 1000th airing of the Miss Hooters swimsuit pageant.

Comment by Random on 07/16/2008 02:56:28
Well...

Comment by livingonli on 07/16/2008 03:02:42
Hi Random. Where have you ben?

Comment by Random on 07/16/2008 03:03:31
Here...There...

I see i wasn't missed. Harumph.

Comment by livingonli on 07/16/2008 03:07:52
Quote by Random:

Here...There...

I see i wasn't missed. Harumph.


I'm sure you were. People just don't always say it.

Comment by Mondobubba on 07/16/2008 03:10:37
Oh Random! Where have you been. Your wisdom and wit were missed. You, Random are the great helmsman that keeps our blog on course and true in the rough seas that are the vast expanse of the Internets!



:sarcasm:

Comment by Random on 07/16/2008 03:11:36
...O.o Liv...i know...I was poking fun...

hence the overly dramatic, harumph.

Comment by livingonli on 07/16/2008 03:13:20
:That's when you clickety-clack heels, hang up the 1940's telephone and collapse on the fainting couch.

Comment by clintster on 07/16/2008 03:15:00
All hail Random!

Comment by Random on 07/16/2008 03:25:10
Quote by Mondobubba:

Oh Random! Where have you been. Your wisdom and wit were missed. You, Random are the great helmsman that keeps our blog on course and true in the rough seas that are the vast expanse of the Internets!



:sarcasm:


*smotes*

Comment by Mondobubba on 07/16/2008 03:28:17
As much as I love the Bamboo Forest fight in Crouching Tiger, I am going to bed. Somebody get me the Green Sword of Destiny, will ya?

Comment by Random on 07/16/2008 03:29:28
Random....

Comment by livingonli on 07/16/2008 03:30:25
Quote by Random:

Quote by Mondobubba:

Oh Random! Where have you been. Your wisdom and wit were missed. You, Random are the great helmsman that keeps our blog on course and true in the rough seas that are the vast expanse of the Internets!



:sarcasm:


*smotes*


I think Mondo likes to be smoted.

Comment by Mondobubba on 07/16/2008 03:30:29
Quote by Random:

Quote by Mondobubba:

Oh Random! Where have you been. Your wisdom and wit were missed. You, Random are the great helmsman that keeps our blog on course and true in the rough seas that are the vast expanse of the Internets!



:sarcasm:


*smotes*




Sonny Jim, you are so predictable! :poke:

Comment by Random on 07/16/2008 03:33:09
Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by Random:

Quote by Mondobubba:

Oh Random! Where have you been. Your wisdom and wit were missed. You, Random are the great helmsman that keeps our blog on course and true in the rough seas that are the vast expanse of the Internets!



:sarcasm:


*smotes*




Sonny Jim, you are so predictable! :poke:


As are you old man. All i had to know is that you posted, and knew what it was about.



Comment by livingonli on 07/16/2008 03:47:18
Damn it. Extra Innings and since MSG, NY is covering this, it means I have to wait until the game is over for show fixes and to time out the overnight hours.

Comment by clintster on 07/16/2008 04:01:14
No. NO! NOOOOOO!!!!!!!



"Brit Hume to Step Down as Fox News Anchor"



Now what'll Jim do with his '71 Dodge Dart impression?





Comment by Scoopster on 07/16/2008 13:05:21
Morning all.. I guess this means I didn't completely miss yesterday's blogfest? :P

Comment by BobR on 07/16/2008 13:08:00
Hey folks - sorry I overslept...



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