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Libertarian Saturday
Author: TriSec    Date: 07/26/2008 12:57:59

Good Morning!

Plenty of interesting stuff going on. Perhaps you missed it (I know I did), but about two weeks back, Time Magazine featured an article that was generally favorable to Libertarians. Of course, it was heavy on the guns and drugs aspect (as every mainstream story is), but deep in the article was an interesting attempt to define what the party is all about.
The central goal of Libertarianism is hard to disagree with: freedom. Defining it is another matter. Party members I've met often speak of freedom as if it were a phantom limb: you're born with it, but it gets taken from you by the bureaucratic violence of the EPA, the ATF, the DOE, the DEA, the U.N., NCLB, NAFTA and--above all--the IRS. Freedom's restoration is the magic moment when the nanny state melts away and you can see the life you were supposed to live before the tax auditors and environmental regulators and drug warriors all came to rope, brand and pen you in for life with their endless rulemaking and intrusions.

If the freedom that lives in the Libertarian imagination has an earthly home, it is the American West. If it has a temple, it's Nevada. It's not just the low taxes or the libertine veneer of Las Vegas; Nevada is free, I was told, in part because so much of it is populated by an unbroken and unbowed caste of ranchers, miners and homesteaders who believe in the primacy of private property.

As you might guess, things that come between a Nevadan and his land don't sit well, and over the past decade, there's been nothing more disruptive than the environmental movement's good intentions. Nye County rancher Jim Berg, 68, doesn't call himself a Libertarian, but he thinks the GOP has lost its will to keep the government from affecting his livelihood. He has plenty of war stories about his county's showdowns with the Federal Government, including a 1991 standoff when armed federales came to confiscate cattle belonging to a neighboring rancher who had let his herd graze on off-limits federal land. The Forest Service got some of Berg's cattle in the dragnet, auctioned them off and kept the proceeds. "They wanted trouble that day," he says. "Why else would you gather another man's cattle with 25 to 30 armed men?"




Most of you know me as the token libertarian of the blog....but It is something I've beleived in for a while. You probably also know that I changed my registration back to "Democrat" this spring. But I continue to be encouraged by snippets like this, from the same story:
Maybe you haven't heard, but this is the year of freedom. First there was the Ron Paul revolution, in which an avuncular 10-term Representative from Brazoria County, Texas, raised more than $34 million as a pseudo-Republican candidate, garnered more than a million primary votes and outperformed Rudy Giuliani and Fred Thompson, all on the back of a get-government-off-my-back platform. Now there's the Libertarian Party, which sold a little bit of its hard-line liberty-loving soul in exchange for the most respectable candidate it has ever had: recently converted former Republican Congressman Bob Barr, who's polling nationally near 6% and could conceivably Naderize John McCain in a few key states and help nudge the presidency to Barack Obama.

Since 2000, Libertarian candidates have peeled off enough votes from Republican congressional candidates to cost the party races in Washington, Nevada, Montana and, most recently, Louisiana. But if anything, the GOP platform has grown more committed to foreign military intervention and domestic moralizing. The selection of John McCain was a final insult--most libertarians view him, fairly or not, as pro-war, anti-gun, pro-environmentalism and anti--free speech (thanks to his advocacy for campaign-finance reform). In Nevada, where the liberty lobby is strong, McCain got trounced in the primary voting, coming in third behind Mitt Romney and Ron Paul. When the state GOP tried to crown McCain at its Reno convention in April, so many Paul supporters showed up that party leaders literally fled the hall, turned off the lights and postponed the convention to make sure the anemic pro-McCain camp wasn't swamped by liberty's marauders. It was like a John Ford western set inside a hotel ballroom.


I'm wondering if I shouldn't stage my own 'one-man Operation Chaos' and campaign hard for Bob Barr, while all the while intending to vote for Sen. Obama? Anyway, I digress...



Of course, there's another reason. Some in the Republican Party are starting to hit the media and complain about 'wasted votes'. Minority Leader John Boehner, for example, said in a recent interview that if you vote for Barr, you may as well vote for Obama. Of course, he forgot to check the mirror to see why the [GOP] party faithful are particularly disgruntled this year...
Libertarian Party spokesperson Andrew Davis called House Minority Leader John Boehner's (R-OH) comments about wasted votes "a symptom of the same delusion that cost Republicans control in 2006."

Answering a question from Reason's Dave Weigel about Bob Barr at a recent lunch hosted by The American Spectator and Americans for Tax Reform, Boehner stated, "A vote for Bob Barr—you might as well vote for Barack Obama," adding, "if you want to throw your vote away, that's fine, but that's what it would be."

Davis said that Boehner's comments "reflect the same fallacy of thought that has put America in its current situation, with neither Republicans or Democrats offering the solutions voters want to hear."

"If Boehner is content with simply being elected as the lesser of two evils, then it is apparent that he and his party have failed as public servants," says Davis. "Instead of dismissing third parties as 'long shots' or 'wasted votes,' Boehner should be figuring out the reasons why voters might pick Barr over McCain or Obama. It may be that voters finally realize that a wasted vote is one cast for a candidate that is part of the problematic establishment that has failed the American public election after election."

Davis also remarked that after the 2006 election, "one would think Republicans might wake up and smell the coffee," adding that John McCain is last thing Republicans need to restore the confidence of the American people in the GOP.

"In the eyes of voters, John McCain is a four-year extension of the Bush administration," says Davis. "Voters would rather vote for a third party candidate than a sure-shot at another four years of endless war, soaring deficits and a falling dollar."




Lastly, I'm going to shift gears a bit. Liberals have an awful reputation as wine-loving, Jazz-listening, cheese-eating, elitest snobs in most of the country. I ran across an article today about wine that seems to deflate that a bit. Back in 1976, there was a blind taste-test among the top wine connoisuers in the world, pitting old-world French wines against California upstarts.

California won.

Well, Hollywood has finally gotten around to the story, and this has prompted this column from the Globe and Mail (Canada) in which the author pretty much denounces wine snobbery as so much hot air.

Don't get me wrong; I like my wines, and I even try to put most of them through an actual tasting when we buy them for the first time. But wine is often like music, and to paraphrase Duke Ellington...."If it tastes good, it is good!"

It was the taste-off that turned wine upside down.

In 1976, an esteemed all-French jury gathered in Paris for a blind tasting to compare eight of France's greatest wines against a dozen upstarts from California. In an upset worthy of Hollywood, the United States trounced France, winning top honours in both the red and white categories.

Now, Hollywood has finally found its way to the story. Not one but two films based on the so-called Judgment of Paris will duke it out for attention this year. Bottle Shock, a rollicking comedy-drama based on true events that stars Alan Rickman, opens in Toronto on Aug. 6 and is slated to roll out to theatres across the country later in the summer. The second film, Judgment of Paris, based on the official story by the only journalist to attend the Paris tasting, Time magazine's George Taber, is due later this year.

The event's significance has predictably been interpreted the same way ever since: California had vaulted its way into the wine stratosphere. True. But if there's justice, the films will also be a reminder - in these boom times for wine snobbery - of a message far more overdue.

Lost in the nationalistic dustup was a collateral truth merely implied by Mr. Taber's news story and deliciously hinted at in the great climax scene of Bottle Shock.

The message? Without the benefit of a glance at the label, wine connoisseurship is so much hot air and bluster.



 

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Comment by TriSec on 07/26/2008 13:11:08
Liv update:



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Comment by Random on 07/26/2008 13:14:25
Jesus Tri-sec. I barely have the attention span to read a pamphlet...Gonna take me all day to get through your post.

Comment by velveeta jones on 07/26/2008 13:51:56
Impressive post TriSec. As usual, your Libertarian Saturday's offer more questions for me. My continuing question: What happens when your freedom intrudes on my freedom? I never see this addressed on their site. If my neighbor decides to cut down all their tree's and dam up their side of the river so I don't have water, it's their right to do so on their land. But it infringes on my property. Who would I turn to?



Similarly, if we were to ban Gov't entities like Social Services, are people free to abuse their kids? Who will stop them?



I may start showing up a LP events here in my neck o' the woods just to learn more. Though, they do brings out the radical racists we seem to have around here, I'm sorry to say.

Comment by capt on 07/26/2008 14:09:13
Good Morning!



Great post, always very thought provoking and insightful.



Looks like Barack is getting a little bounce even though an AFP headline says the opposite.



Need more coffee.

Comment by capt on 07/26/2008 14:18:34
A very odd Saturday morning cartoon:







Comment by Random on 07/26/2008 14:35:36
http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk230/RandomObs/468557254_534cc7bbc31.jpg


Comment by MNRN on 07/26/2008 14:37:35
good morning from the heartland friends. All is well in MN and in MD, as dad is recovering nicely. we have a mellow weekend of cleaning and creating in store. I think its about all I can handle....

Comment by capt on 07/26/2008 14:43:57
Quote by MNRN:

good morning from the heartland friends. All is well in MN and in MD, as dad is recovering nicely. we have a mellow weekend of cleaning and creating in store. I think its about all I can handle....




That is excellent news. As always let him know we send our best!





Comment by capt on 07/26/2008 14:45:38
A little TDS . . .





Comment by capt on 07/26/2008 15:01:55
http://bp1.blogger.com/_A4SfutjOGa4/SID5wEbbDnI/AAAAAAAAAfE/ee9vYt-11Rs/s400/McCain,+Feel+the+Excitement.jpg


Comment by velveeta jones on 07/26/2008 15:22:41
Quote by MNRN:

good morning from the heartland friends. All is well in MN and in MD, as dad is recovering nicely. we have a mellow weekend of cleaning and creating in store. I think its about all I can handle....








Comment by capt on 07/26/2008 15:23:27


Comment by Random on 07/26/2008 15:24:54
Random Bored.

Comment by velveeta jones on 07/26/2008 15:25:23
Quote by capt:

http://bp1.blogger.com/_A4SfutjOGa4/SID5wEbbDnI/AAAAAAAAAfE/ee9vYt-11Rs/s400/McCain,+Feel+the+Excitement.jpg




OH.

MY.

GAWD.



:rofl: :rofl:



PRICELESS!!!



Comment by velveeta jones on 07/26/2008 15:26:33
See ya'll later. Think my blog tomorrow will be on Puffy McMoonFace! And some black dude.

;)

Comment by capt on 07/26/2008 16:07:13
http://www.progressivedailybeacon.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/knight.jpg


Comment by Mondobubba on 07/26/2008 16:32:28
Grass cut, sheets in dryer. Talladega Nights on the TV mosheen.

Comment by livingonli on 07/26/2008 17:26:33
A belated good day to everyone. On the flight home, I had two guys in my row who were even bigger than me so I was sardined in. So much for any idea of getting a nap in on the flight back. I got home, checked my e-mail, and did a quick scan on the new HD channels Verizon added while I was gone and then got a little sleep. Now I have to get laundry and some food shopping done this afternoon providing my car is not blocked in the driveway.

Comment by Raine on 07/26/2008 17:39:59
Not sure if this was posted ... But yeah... the man needs cheat sheets becuase he doesn't know how much Milk costs...




And hello everyone!

Comment by livingonli on 07/26/2008 18:11:28
Quote by Raine:

Not sure if this was posted ... But yeah... the man needs cheat sheets becuase he doesn't know how much Milk costs...




And hello everyone!


He's in touch with the common man just like when Poppa Bush first discovered price scanners.

Comment by capt on 07/26/2008 18:18:49
And now Gallup:



Barack Obama has stretched his lead over John McCain among national registered voters to seven percentage points, 48% to 41%, in Gallup Poll Daily tracking conducted July 23-25.









Comment by BobR on 07/26/2008 18:20:48
By the way, regarding the always excellent Sat. reading on Libertarianism:



I will agree with Velveeta that personal property rights are only valid when they don't infringe on someone else's property rights. Ground water knows no borders; neither do fumes in the air. When these are polluted, then other people's rights are infringed upon. Government regulations and inspections are necessary.



There has to be a balance between personal liberty and common good for a collective society to function.



The other thing that struck me was the comment about "wasting a vote". I've always believed the only vote wasted was the one not cast. When I voted for Mondale in 1984, I had someone say "You voted for Mondale?? You wasted your vote - He was never going to win!". I not-so-respectfully disagreed.



Whether you vote for the person you want in office, or vote to keep out the person you really don't want in office, the polling place is our one chance to participate in a meaningful way in our democracy and should never be used frivolously nor ignored.



Comment by BobR on 07/26/2008 18:23:18
Quote by livingonli:



He's in touch with the common man just like when Poppa Bush first discovered price scanners.


What I find amazing is that after following this woman around while she did her shopping, he must have seen the price of milk and couldn't remember it?

Comment by capt on 07/26/2008 18:23:59


Comment by capt on 07/26/2008 18:26:36
IMO - the problem has never been with "voters" it is with non-voters.



Imagine if voting was universal, that nearly all took the time to be registered and took the time to vote?





Comment by capt on 07/26/2008 18:34:37


Comment by capt on 07/26/2008 19:30:58
McCain's famous vindictive behavior VIDEO



While this isn't a surprise for John McCain, it is shocking to see a public display of childishness and vindictiveness in someone who says he has the maturity and judgment to be President of the United States.






Comment by TriSec on 07/26/2008 20:01:04
Hello, folks. Javi wants to play with the people:





Comment by capt on 07/26/2008 20:41:13
And for those of us who are completely oblivious . .



Javi would be?

Comment by Mondobubba on 07/26/2008 21:30:41
Quote by capt:

And for those of us who are completely oblivious . .



Javi would be?






Tri & Mrs Tri's youngling.

Comment by capt on 07/26/2008 21:38:10
Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by capt:

And for those of us who are completely oblivious . .



Javi would be?






Tri & Mrs Tri's youngling.




KEWL! I was googling JAVI - trying to figure it out



I CRACK myself WAY up!

Comment by Mondobubba on 07/26/2008 21:48:37
Quote by capt:

Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by capt:

And for those of us who are completely oblivious . .



Javi would be?






Tri & Mrs Tri's youngling.




KEWL! I was googling JAVI - trying to figure it out



I CRACK myself WAY up!




I've met young Javi he is as cute as button!

Comment by capt on 07/26/2008 21:54:04
Gotta love the Javi!





Comment by capt on 07/26/2008 21:58:25
THE MYTH OF A TOSS-UP ELECTION



Consider the following.



Except for a few days when the Gallup and Rasmussen tracking polls showed a tie, Barack Obama has led John McCain in every national poll in the past two months. Obama's average margin has consistently been in the 4-6 point range during this time. By contrast, the polls in 2000 and 2004 showed much more variation over time. State polling results have also consistently given Obama the advantage. According to realclearpolitics.com, Obama is currently leading in 26 states and the District of Columbia with a total of 322 electoral votes; McCain is currently leading in 24 states with a total of 216 electoral votes. Obama is leading in every state carried by John Kerry in 2004 along with six states carried by George Bush: Iowa, New Mexico, Ohio, Indiana, Nevada and Colorado. A seventh Bush state, Virginia, is tied.



Obama is leading in 11 of the 12 swing states that were decided by a margin of five points or less in 2004 including five of the six that were carried by George Bush. And while Obama has a comfortable lead in every state that John Kerry won by a margin of more than five points in 2004, McCain is in a difficult battle in a number of states that Bush carried by a margin of more than five points including such solidly red states as Indiana, Montana, North Dakota, Virginia, and North Carolina.









Comment by capt on 07/26/2008 22:01:45
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3273/2705028578_71775f1bd4.jpg?v=0


Comment by capt on 07/26/2008 22:37:28
Okay, I shall dance dance dance . . . .





Comment by TriSec on 07/26/2008 22:53:41
The Red Sox Suck.





Comment by Mondobubba on 07/26/2008 23:16:13
Quote by TriSec:

The Red Sox Suck.









So, why lil TriSec do the Red Sox suck? How have they failed you and the rest of the Nation today? Have they fallen out of first place? How easily they forget. Just few years ago it had 86 years since they had won the World Series. Now if they don't repeat or don't stay in the top of the division from start to finish of the season, it's whine whine whine! You Sox fans are never satisfied! :rofl:

Comment by Mondobubba on 07/26/2008 23:22:14
Let us compare for a moment my team with the Glorious Red Sox of Boston



AL East Standings



Red Sox a game back of the DEVIL Rays

Balitmore Orioles LAST PLACE 12 games out. They have been a second division team since that jackass, Angelos bought the team. When have the GRSoB have not been at least competitive? Hmmm???

Comment by livingonli on 07/26/2008 23:25:20
Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by TriSec:

The Red Sox Suck.









So, why lil TriSec do the Red Sox suck? How have they failed you and the rest of the Nation today? Have they fallen out of first place? How easily they forget. Just few years ago it had 86 years since they had won the World Series. Now if they don't repeat or don't stay in the top of the division from start to finish of the season, it's whine whine whine! You Sox fans are never satisfied! :rofl:


After all, the average Yankee fan and George Steinbrenner feels that the Yankees are entitled to win the world series every year and any thing less than that is abject failure. I don't think Tri wants to keep company with that sort of people.

Comment by livingonli on 07/26/2008 23:32:29
Flipping Channels, on the Inspirational Network: Liberty Live with Dr. Jerry Falwell.



Uh, what's wrong with this picture?

Comment by Mondobubba on 07/26/2008 23:34:48
Quote by livingonli:

Flipping Channels, on the Inspirational Network: Liberty Live with Dr. Jerry Falwell.



Uh, what's wrong with this picture?






Ummm Falwell is DEAD?

Comment by Raine on 07/26/2008 23:37:19
Quote by livingonli:

Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by TriSec:

The Red Sox Suck.









So, why lil TriSec do the Red Sox suck? How have they failed you and the rest of the Nation today? Have they fallen out of first place? How easily they forget. Just few years ago it had 86 years since they had won the World Series. Now if they don't repeat or don't stay in the top of the division from start to finish of the season, it's whine whine whine! You Sox fans are never satisfied! :rofl:


After all, the average Yankee fan and George Steinbrenner feels that the Yankees are entitled to win the world series every year and any thing less than that is abject failure. I don't think Tri wants to keep company with that sort of people.
Ehem... that is an awful lot of generalizations yer making there Liv... :waiting:



Comment by capt on 07/26/2008 23:43:05
Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by livingonli:

Flipping Channels, on the Inspirational Network: Liberty Live with Dr. Jerry Falwell.



Uh, what's wrong with this picture?






Ummm Falwell is DEAD?




I heard somewhere that you can't kill the undead . . .



Just sayin'







Comment by TriSec on 07/26/2008 23:44:48
Now, now. The Red Sox are expected to suck around here.



2004 and 2007 are still aberrations....we're all expecting a typical late-season collapse.



[And yes, every *real* Sox fan I know still has that dark place in their hearts that with the Sox leading late in game 4 of the '04 series that said...."You know, they could still blow this...]



But I digress.



The FAILtriots on the other hand.....(an old name from the 80s, unrelated to tape-gate)



Comment by TriSec on 07/26/2008 23:47:46
Quote by capt:

Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by livingonli:

Flipping Channels, on the Inspirational Network: Liberty Live with Dr. Jerry Falwell.



Uh, what's wrong with this picture?






Ummm Falwell is DEAD?




I heard somewhere that you can't kill the undead . . .



Just sayin'













http://media.tumblr.com/ABYqXAzKb8r176m1Gs43dsA3_500.jpg




IM-HO-TEP!

IM-HO-TEP!

IM-HO-TEP!





Comment by livingonli on 07/26/2008 23:47:50
Quote by capt:

Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by livingonli:

Flipping Channels, on the Inspirational Network: Liberty Live with Dr. Jerry Falwell.



Uh, what's wrong with this picture?






Ummm Falwell is DEAD?




I heard somewhere that you can't kill the undead . . .



Just sayin'







It's Falwell's unholy army of the damned. I figured they would be busy staging a coup against Lucifer.

Comment by capt on 07/26/2008 23:48:22
Iowa protest aimed at Karl Rove leads to arrests



http://static.crooksandliars.com/2008/07/frog-march.jpg




DES MOINES, Iowa (Reuters) - Four peace activists were arrested on Friday as they attempted to make a "citizens arrest" of Karl Rove, who was one of President George W. Bush's top aides before leaving the administration last year.



"It should be Karl Rove in that van. War Criminal!" one of a dozen protestors shouted as the four were put into a police van outside a Des Moines country club where Rove spoke at a private state Republican party fundraiser.



Chet Guinn, a retired Methodist Minister, was among those led away.



"To be silent when major crimes are being committed against all humanity makes us accomplices," Gwinn told reporters just before his prearranged arrest, which took place when protestors stepped past a gate.















Comment by livingonli on 07/26/2008 23:51:06
Quote by TriSec:

Quote by capt:

Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by livingonli:

Flipping Channels, on the Inspirational Network: Liberty Live with Dr. Jerry Falwell.



Uh, what's wrong with this picture?






Ummm Falwell is DEAD?




I heard somewhere that you can't kill the undead . . .



Just sayin'













http://media.tumblr.com/ABYqXAzKb8r176m1Gs43dsA3_500.jpg




IM-HO-TEP!

IM-HO-TEP!

IM-HO-TEP!





Needs more BRAINS!

Comment by BobR on 07/26/2008 23:52:30
well sue-prahz, sue-prahz, sue-prahz....



seems like NOW we're winning the war in Iraq



Isn't THAT convenient...

Comment by Mondobubba on 07/26/2008 23:53:00
Quote by TriSec:

Now, now. The Red Sox are expected to suck around here.



2004 and 2007 are still aberrations....we're all expecting a typical late-season collapse.



[And yes, every *real* Sox fan I know still has that dark place in their hearts that with the Sox leading late in game 4 of the '04 series that said...."You know, they could still blow this...]



But I digress.



The FAILtriots on the other hand.....(an old name from the 80s, unrelated to tape-gate)







Thanks for clearing that up. I love the positivity of the average New Englander about um everything.

Comment by capt on 07/26/2008 23:55:05
BILL MOYERS: Welcome to the JOURNAL Jane Mayer



Always excellent, in case you missed it

Comment by Raine on 07/26/2008 23:56:15






From Politico:



Then McCain says: "I'm John McCain and I approve this message."



Obama's campaign hit back hard, with spokesman Tommy Vietor saying McCain "is an honorable man who is running an increasingly dishonorable campaign."



The Vietor statement continues: "Senator McCain knows full well that Senator Obama strongly supports and honors our troops, which is what makes this attack so disingenuous. Senator Obama was honored to meet with our men and women in uniform in Iraq and Afghanistan this week and has visited wounded soldiers at Walter Reed numerous times. This politicization of our soldiers is exactly what Senator Obama sought to avoid, and it's not worthy of Senator McCain or the 'civil' campaign he claimed he would run."




Except it's ALL a lie.

All... John McCain has become Geroge Bush, the one that drinks the blood of Karl Rove.

Comment by capt on 07/26/2008 23:58:20
Comment by Random on 07/26/2008 23:59:02
Wait...So Rove is in the coutry, and the house hasn't had his ass brought in yet? What the fuck!

Comment by capt on 07/26/2008 23:59:36
Why John McCain's "Surge" Success Story Is A Lie



With tens of thousands of innocent civilians killed and maimed in Iraq, Afghanistan, and elsewhere; and with commentators like John Bolton, Benny Morris, and Charles Krauthammer demanding the United States or Israel attack Iran, thereby expanding the killing fields; and with Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) working hand-in-glove with resurgent Taliban and Al Qaeda elements in the northwestern border region and in Kashmir; and with the Bush Administration's failed saber rattling, warmongering, and unilateralist bluster -- Can we now safely conclude, at this late date, that Bush's foreign policy has been a catastrophe for the world and the single biggest recruiting tool for international terrorists?



It doesn't smell like "victory" to me.







Comment by TriSec on 07/26/2008 23:59:40
Say, would any drinking bloggers out there have an opinion of Rye Whiskey?



My usual emporium was out of George Dickel today, so I took a flyer and decided to try a bottle of the ol' Rye.



But I also have a bottle of Scotch Whiskey too, in case it is needed.





Comment by capt on 07/27/2008 00:00:50
Quote by Random:

Wait...So Rove is in the coutry, and the house hasn't had his ass brought in yet? What the fuck!




That would take some spine. They are still looking for some. . .







Comment by TriSec on 07/27/2008 00:03:11
Quote by Mondobubba:





Thanks for clearing that up. I love the positivity of the average New Englander about um everything.






*snort*



Well, a couple of New England winters will take all the positivity out of ya...





Comment by Mondobubba on 07/27/2008 00:03:40
Quote by TriSec:

Quote by capt:

Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by livingonli:

Flipping Channels, on the Inspirational Network: Liberty Live with Dr. Jerry Falwell.



Uh, what's wrong with this picture?






Ummm Falwell is DEAD?




I heard somewhere that you can't kill the undead . . .



Just sayin'













http://media.tumblr.com/ABYqXAzKb8r176m1Gs43dsA3_500.jpg




IM-HO-TEP!

IM-HO-TEP!

IM-HO-TEP!







:rofl:



Comment by Random on 07/27/2008 00:03:55
Quote by capt:

Quote by Random:

Wait...So Rove is in the coutry, and the house hasn't had his ass brought in yet? What the fuck!




That would take some spine. They are still looking for some. . .







What the hell, the man comitted a crime, and not the kind of crime where it depends on the definition of torture crime, or even a crime where "We gotta talk to him to figure it out" kinda crime. It was a pure an simple, on the books, no yes/no/maybe about it, crime.

Where the hell is your Spine House, grow a fucking pair, before i have to go up there and kick you each where that pair should be!

(Thanks god for the anonymity of the internet.)



Comment by capt on 07/27/2008 00:03:57
Quote by TriSec:

Say, would any drinking bloggers out there have an opinion of Rye Whiskey?



My usual emporium was out of George Dickel today, so I took a flyer and decided to try a bottle of the ol' Rye.



But I also have a bottle of Scotch Whiskey too, in case it is needed.







Back in my drinking daze I was a "Wild Turkey" call. Love me some Wild Turkey I just seldom drink anymore. Once in a blue moon I'll have a Long Island Ice Tea at PF Changs when we go.





Comment by capt on 07/27/2008 00:06:09
Quote by Random:

Quote by capt:

Quote by Random:

Wait...So Rove is in the coutry, and the house hasn't had his ass brought in yet? What the fuck!




That would take some spine. They are still looking for some. . .







What the hell, the man comitted a crime, and not the kind of crime where it depends on the definition of torture crime, or even a crime where "We gotta talk to him to figure it out" kinda crime. It was a pure an simple, on the books, no yes/no/maybe about it, crime.

Where the hell is your Spine House, grow a fucking pair, before i have to go up there and kick you each where that pair should be!

(Thanks god for the anonymity of the internet.)





I agree, and so did Harriet Myers and Josh Bolton (I think) they also just ignored a subpeona? If I did so I would be in jail







Comment by Mondobubba on 07/27/2008 00:06:22
I'm having an evening in. Watching Vince, E and the Two Retards aka Entourage. . I havn't said this in long time, effing Drama. :rofl:



Here is blast from the past, the Entourage rooftop golf game

Comment by Raine on 07/27/2008 00:09:58
Quote by TriSec:

Say, would any drinking bloggers out there have an opinion of Rye Whiskey?



My usual emporium was out of George Dickel today, so I took a flyer and decided to try a bottle of the ol' Rye.



But I also have a bottle of Scotch Whiskey too, in case it is needed.



psst... if it's Scotch ... it's Whisky... ( I just learned tha ta few months ago) No e. Sean Connery would kick yer arse.



Comment by Random on 07/27/2008 00:10:08
Quote by capt:

Quote by Random:

Quote by capt:

Quote by Random:

Wait...So Rove is in the coutry, and the house hasn't had his ass brought in yet? What the fuck!




That would take some spine. They are still looking for some. . .







What the hell, the man comitted a crime, and not the kind of crime where it depends on the definition of torture crime, or even a crime where "We gotta talk to him to figure it out" kinda crime. It was a pure an simple, on the books, no yes/no/maybe about it, crime.

Where the hell is your Spine House, grow a fucking pair, before i have to go up there and kick you each where that pair should be!

(Thanks god for the anonymity of the internet.)





I agree, and so did Harriet Myers and Josh Bolton (I think) they also just ignored a subpeona? If I did so I would be in jail







These are Crimes god-damn it.



Comment by capt on 07/27/2008 00:20:07
From TPM:



Priceless Obama quote



By Francesca Hamilton - July 26, 2008, 2:21AM



Was there anything that you saw on this trip that changed your mind? John McCain, as you know, is saying, "Well, he already knew what he was going to think before he got there."



Well, I thought John also suggested that I'm always changing my mind, so he's got to make up his mind about what he says about my mind.



(Interview with Karen Tumulty - Time)



HERE

Comment by capt on 07/27/2008 00:22:34
Rep. Lamar Smith helping out Rove on Siegelman.... awww, sweet





Gotta read this to be up to date on Kkkarl



Comment by Random on 07/27/2008 00:25:34


Now Lord...I know i have been the best worshipper, infact, i have Frequantly argued against your exsistence, or even your divinity at times. Not to mention i don't respect the laws you've put down...well most of them, and i certainly don't keep anything holy.

So, Lord, if you are anything like the crazy christians say you are, please make Barack Obama our president.

This is from a desperate man...

And if you're mad at me...please ignore this prayer, instead of doing the exact opposite of what it says.

Thank you, Your's sometimes, Random



Comment by capt on 07/27/2008 00:32:19
Wait until after the convention. I still think it is going to be a LANDSLIDE. There are some that will never vote for Barack or any other liberal. But wait until people from the middle and on the fences have a chance to see a debate and the contrasts.



I feel a little badly for old Johnny, I think he and the GOP are in for a waxing.



We have to make sure of it





Comment by livingonli on 07/27/2008 00:33:10
Quote by Random:



Now Lord...I know i have been the best worshipper, infact, i have Frequantly argued against your exsistence, or even your divinity at times. Not to mention i don't respect the laws you've put down...well most of them, and i certainly don't keep anything holy.

So, Lord, if you are anything like the crazy christians say you are, please make Barack Obama our president.

This is from a desperate man...

And if you're mad at me...please ignore this prayer, instead of doing the exact opposite of what it says.

Thank you, Your's sometimes, Random





And PS, please make sure that the Republicans who have broken the law face the punishment they so richly deserve.



Comment by capt on 07/27/2008 00:34:27
http://www.time.com/time/potw/20080703/potw_02.jpg




Because walking with your weapon drawn isn't enough like running with scissors?





Comment by BobR on 07/27/2008 00:38:32
That's almost as absurd as cops on 10-speeds...

Comment by Random on 07/27/2008 00:43:58
Quote by capt:

http://www.time.com/time/potw/20080703/potw_02.jpg




Because walking with your weapon drawn isn't enough like running with scissors?





that kind of looks cool

Comment by capt on 07/27/2008 00:48:44




Imagine this with an automatic weapon?

Comment by trojanrabbit on 07/27/2008 00:51:31
Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by TriSec:

Now, now. The Red Sox are expected to suck around here.



2004 and 2007 are still aberrations....we're all expecting a typical late-season collapse.



[And yes, every *real* Sox fan I know still has that dark place in their hearts that with the Sox leading late in game 4 of the '04 series that said...."You know, they could still blow this...]



But I digress.



The FAILtriots on the other hand.....(an old name from the 80s, unrelated to tape-gate)







Thanks for clearing that up. I love the positivity of the average New Englander about um everything.




Meh. So's what?



It's entertainment, win or lose. The talk shows aren't happy unless something bad is happening. Manny being Manny, latest Patriot scandal, anytime the bRuins step on the ice.



Blogging from Western MA tonight, after sorta spending a day at Six Flags NE with my brothers, sister and their families. Probably can best be described so far as the weekend from purgatory. A "No Smoking" room that smelled of smoke, high speed internet that didn't exist except in the rooms in the "new" part of the hotel prompting us to complain continually until we got a different room combined with the miserable heat led to yours truly falling ill yesterday, and my sister getting ill from the heat at the park today.



No NESN at the hotel TriSec, and the Fox station is unwatchable (I think on purpose so you have to go to the bar if you want to watch), so I listened via this thing called radio.

Comment by livingonli on 07/27/2008 00:56:01
Quote by trojanrabbit:





No NESN at the hotel TriSec, and the Fox station is unwatchable (I think on purpose so you have to go to the bar if you want to watch), so I listened via this thing called radio.






Presumably, you are in what is part of the Springfield TV market, the Fox affiliate only recently came on the air as a digital subchannel of the ABC affiliate. If they are using analog off-air reception than they are probably the Fox affiliate from Hartford which like with CBS until 2004 was the de-facto affiliate for Springfield as well. If the hotel had regular cable, you would probably get NESN and clear reception on Fox.

Comment by Random on 07/27/2008 00:57:44
Quote by livingonli:

Quote by Random:



Now Lord...I know i have been the best worshipper, infact, i have Frequantly argued against your exsistence, or even your divinity at times. Not to mention i don't respect the laws you've put down...well most of them, and i certainly don't keep anything holy.

So, Lord, if you are anything like the crazy christians say you are, please make Barack Obama our president.

This is from a desperate man...

And if you're mad at me...please ignore this prayer, instead of doing the exact opposite of what it says.

Thank you, Your's sometimes, Random





And PS, please make sure that the Republicans who have broken the law face the punishment they so richly deserve.





And P.P.S.

Cupcakes are nice...I'd like cupcakes too.



Comment by trojanrabbit on 07/27/2008 01:08:25
Quote by livingonli:

Quote by trojanrabbit:





No NESN at the hotel TriSec, and the Fox station is unwatchable (I think on purpose so you have to go to the bar if you want to watch), so I listened via this thing called radio.






Presumably, you are in what is part of the Springfield TV market, the Fox affiliate only recently came on the air as a digital subchannel of the ABC affiliate. If they are using analog off-air reception than they are probably the Fox affiliate from Hartford which like with CBS until 2004 was the de-facto affiliate for Springfield as well. If the hotel had regular cable, you would probably get NESN and clear reception on Fox.




Actually in West Springfield. I'm watching Weather Channel now and it says it's being provided by DirecTV, so I think it's probably a mixture of channels from the satellite and locals off the antenna system (bunch of antennas on the roof). According to the card next to the TV, you're right FOX is WTIC from Hartford.



Comment by m-hadley on 07/27/2008 01:10:20
Heya Kids,

Just back from a long day on the road (Tulsa to Rolla, MO and back), about 575 miles -ugh, but it was worth it to see my folks and get my doggies back. They - da boyz - are both leaner and better behaved after three weeks at their grandparents' farm I think I'm making a beverage and throwing down on the futon with Tulsey (Momma's boy) Dillie apparently prefers to stay outside in the 90 degree heat - go figure :P

Cheers,

mfaye

:hug:

Comment by Mondobubba on 07/27/2008 01:22:55
:rofl: :rofl: Effing Drama! :rofl:

Comment by livingonli on 07/27/2008 01:28:19
Quote by trojanrabbit:

Quote by livingonli:

Quote by trojanrabbit:





No NESN at the hotel TriSec, and the Fox station is unwatchable (I think on purpose so you have to go to the bar if you want to watch), so I listened via this thing called radio.






Presumably, you are in what is part of the Springfield TV market, the Fox affiliate only recently came on the air as a digital subchannel of the ABC affiliate. If they are using analog off-air reception than they are probably the Fox affiliate from Hartford which like with CBS until 2004 was the de-facto affiliate for Springfield as well. If the hotel had regular cable, you would probably get NESN and clear reception on Fox.




Actually in West Springfield. I'm watching Weather Channel now and it says it's being provided by DirecTV, so I think it's probably a mixture of channels from the satellite and locals off the antenna system (bunch of antennas on the roof). According to the card next to the TV, you're right FOX is WTIC from Hartford.



That seems to be the norm is for most hotels is to pull the local channels off an antenna and then get a small mix of satellite channels from DirecTV. I guess it's cheaper for them to do that than set up a commercial account and have the cable company wire the rooms. Although in some of the large cities where satellite access is more difficult, there may be some arrangement with the local cable company.



In Vegas, most of the hotels on the strip receive their programming from Cox Cable although with significant lineup variations so that their promotional channels are mixed in and they don't want too many channels since they want people either in the casino or ordering PPV/On Demand Movies.

Comment by velveeta jones on 07/27/2008 01:29:37
anyone on here an english major? I actually flunked English. (I blame it on being Southern).

Comment by TriSec on 07/27/2008 01:30:07
Ouch.



A little comedy of errors in the ol' TriSec's kitchen this evening.





Long, long ago, Lizz Winstead once defended Sous-Chefs as folks who went to school and had degrees, "They're not just morons with hatchets."



Anyway, we're off to a family shindig in Little Rhody tomorrow (Scoop country, down in Warwick past the big blue termite).



So, I'm making fingertip potato salad (with Dill from my own garden, too!)



Anyway, there's gushing blood, eggs rolling off the counter (fortunately already hard-boiled) and all kinds of other fun things.



At least I keep my knives sharp enough to shave with...it'll heal quick.



:kickcan:





Comment by TriSec on 07/27/2008 01:43:12
Oh, poop. I broke the blog.





Comment by livingonli on 07/27/2008 01:44:15
It looks like the servers burped again.

Comment by capt on 07/27/2008 01:50:12
Fatal error: Maximum execution time of 30 seconds exceeded in /home/.anouk/bobr69/FourFreedomsBlog.com/BlogClass.php on line 1441



Comment by livingonli on 07/27/2008 02:06:19
I'm still getting the time out error and not able to read the blog comments.

Comment by livingonli on 07/27/2008 02:07:26
We're back. I think.

Comment by BobR on 07/27/2008 02:08:25
As I stated here, the problem was indeed TriSec's link.



I removed it.

Comment by capt on 07/27/2008 02:12:20
I always think I broke the blog



One of these days I will break it and think - It must be someone else!

Comment by Mondobubba on 07/27/2008 02:14:28
Thanks BobR.

Comment by BobR on 07/27/2008 02:16:30
Ok, that time it was MY fault. I was posting the link TriSec posted without including the tags but even THAT was bad enough.



Anything that has the letters URL followed by an "=" should not in the actual URL for a link you're posting. I'll look at the code to see if there's a better way to handle it, but for now, please try to avoid it.

Comment by TriSec on 07/27/2008 02:20:56
Ah, thank you kind sir.



I realized what happened as soon as I posted it. And now that I know what I'm doing there, it shouldn't happen again.



The management would like to apologize for the fact that TriSec is a putz.





Comment by m-hadley on 07/27/2008 02:21:04
Quote by velveeta jones:

anyone on here an english major? I actually flunked English. (I blame it on being Southern).




Velveeta,

mfaye sheepishly raises her hand - I have a BA in English/Fine Arts (according to my Dad, "I wanted to be sure that I would never get a job.") I also have an MA in English from UNM (Univ of New Mexico) earned in 1989, so it was a while ago. I blame law school (1996) for wrecking any writing ability I may have had :P...

Ask away....

Cheers,

mfaye

:hug:

Comment by Random on 07/27/2008 02:24:31


Comment by capt on 07/27/2008 02:26:59
Quote by Random:





All hail Random!



:bow:



Comment by Random on 07/27/2008 02:28:57
Quote by capt:

Quote by Random:





All hail Random!



:bow:



good capt.

*tosses special brownie*

Comment by livingonli on 07/27/2008 02:39:38
Quote by capt:

Quote by Random:





All hail Random!



:bow:



Praise be the glory of Random.

Comment by capt on 07/27/2008 02:40:39


Comment by capt on 07/27/2008 02:43:15


Comment by Random on 07/27/2008 02:47:58
Quote by livingonli:

Quote by capt:

Quote by Random:





All hail Random!



:bow:



Praise be the glory of Random.


*gives special brownie*

Comment by capt on 07/27/2008 02:49:30
Senator McCain it's a helicopter not a UFO:



http://ndn.newsweek.com/media/87/mccain-campaign-st-louis-NA03-wide-horizontal.jpg


Comment by capt on 07/27/2008 03:05:42
Comment by BobR on 07/27/2008 03:32:03


only in GA...

Comment by Random on 07/27/2008 03:32:15
Quote by capt:

Senator McCain it's a helicopter not a UFO:



http://ndn.newsweek.com/media/87/mccain-campaign-st-louis-NA03-wide-horizontal.jpg




Am i the only one who finds it funny the only other person looking up is the baby.

Comment by Raine on 07/27/2008 03:35:42
:peers into Bog:





:rofl: at all of it...



Except Randoms prayer... I totally concur.

Comment by velveeta jones on 07/27/2008 04:11:01
Quote by m-hadley:

Quote by velveeta jones:

anyone on here an english major? I actually flunked English. (I blame it on being Southern).




Velveeta,

mfaye sheepishly raises her hand - I have a BA in English/Fine Arts (according to my Dad, "I wanted to be sure that I would never get a job.") I also have an MA in English from UNM (Univ of New Mexico) earned in 1989, so it was a while ago. I blame law school (1996) for wrecking any writing ability I may have had :P...

Ask away....

Cheers,

mfaye

:hug:


Thanks, Faye. Well, I made up some gobbly goop for english grammer. So.....

Anywho, Sunday Blog is up. Cause this girl is sleepin' in!!



Comment by livingonli on 07/27/2008 04:18:48
Quote by Random:

Quote by capt:

Senator McCain it's a helicopter not a UFO:



http://ndn.newsweek.com/media/87/mccain-campaign-st-louis-NA03-wide-horizontal.jpg




Am i the only one who finds it funny the only other person looking up is the baby.


Look at the pretty pink cloud.

Comment by AuntAzalea on 07/27/2008 20:20:12