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Ask A Vet
Author: TriSec
Date: 08/05/2008 10:33:10
Good Morning.
Today is our 1,966th day in Iraq.
We'll start this morning as we always do, with the latest casualty figures from the warron terra, courtesy of antiwar.com:
American Deaths
Since war began (3/19/03): 4131
Since "Mission Accomplished" (5/1/03): 3992
Since Capture of Saddam (12/13/03): 3670
Since Handover (6/29/04): 3272
Since Election (1/31/05): 2694
Other Coalition Troops: 314
US Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 566
Other Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 343
Contractor Casualties: 444
We find this morning's cost of war passing through: $ 542, 740, 975, 000.00
Turning to our friends at IAVA, there's an interesting piece today about what is essentially soldier's vacation time. For us civilians, we're usually entitled to a minimum of two weeks, sometimes more, sometimes less. Depending on your company, you might be able to carry some time over, others have a "use it or lose it" policy. The Pentagon has just changed the rules for our soldiers, allowing them to save more days and carry over more days. While it may sound like a good idea, it's also a tacit admission that the soldiers are being stretched beyond the limit and don't have any opportunity to use their earned time off.
Taking a peek at Afghanistan this morning, there's news that the Pentagon has quietly extended the tour of duty for a couple of Marine units. Of course, this was happening in Iraq all along, but now apparently our troops in the *real* war on terror are being stretched thin, too.
Lastly this morning, there's another issue that's been flying under the radar. Every now and again, a particular type of casualty creeps into the MSM, whether it's lost limbs, PTSD, or traumatic brain injury. Here's something that's been scarcely reported on. War is loud. And 1 of 4 soldiers in combat has some kind of hearing loss.
So. Another week at war.
Today is our 1,966th day in Iraq.
We'll start this morning as we always do, with the latest casualty figures from the warron terra, courtesy of antiwar.com:
American Deaths
Since war began (3/19/03): 4131
Since "Mission Accomplished" (5/1/03): 3992
Since Capture of Saddam (12/13/03): 3670
Since Handover (6/29/04): 3272
Since Election (1/31/05): 2694
Other Coalition Troops: 314
US Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 566
Other Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 343
Contractor Casualties: 444
We find this morning's cost of war passing through: $ 542, 740, 975, 000.00
Turning to our friends at IAVA, there's an interesting piece today about what is essentially soldier's vacation time. For us civilians, we're usually entitled to a minimum of two weeks, sometimes more, sometimes less. Depending on your company, you might be able to carry some time over, others have a "use it or lose it" policy. The Pentagon has just changed the rules for our soldiers, allowing them to save more days and carry over more days. While it may sound like a good idea, it's also a tacit admission that the soldiers are being stretched beyond the limit and don't have any opportunity to use their earned time off.
General Casey, the chief of staff of the Army, makes no bones about telling anyone that will listen that the Army is out of balance. The troops know it - even those completely in support of occupying Iraq and all the mostly apolitical Soldiers doing their jobs each day. They feel the strain and I hear from many that, belief in “the mission” aside, wish the burden were spread more equitably. A message went out to the Army last month that really drives home the point that Army is being ‘rode hard and not put up - wet or not.’ It extends the amount of time that troops may save their leave days without losing them. The message is after the break and I’d encourage any deploying Soldier to be sure they understand it clearly.
Leave has always been a pet peeve of mine. Too many in charge see it as a privilege but that is not true. Leave is an entitlement - that means it is pay and can’t be captured capriciously or denied without cause. There’s a lot of talk about bonus payments and “war money” but for many troops a deployment to Iraq is a 200 day straight grind, a short break, and then another 200 day stint. Oh sure - there are screw offs here and there but for young leaders and hard workers it can be months of seven-day weeks and 12-20 hour days. If one were to calculate overtime on their actual work, the costs would be staggering. The troops get a little bit of a break on the way back but many are back in training and preparation for the next deployment with no chance for real rest. Equipment may be reset systematically but people rarely are.
Because of this, the leave days (read: vacation) earned may not be used in a timely fashion and are then summarily “lost.” That has the effect of literally fining troops for working hard and getting screwed. It’s good that the DoD is extending the time you can maintain your days but it is a real reflection of how many troops are stacking up this much unused vacation. Better late than never I suppose… (Pentagon memo available at the link)
Taking a peek at Afghanistan this morning, there's news that the Pentagon has quietly extended the tour of duty for a couple of Marine units. Of course, this was happening in Iraq all along, but now apparently our troops in the *real* war on terror are being stretched thin, too.
WASHINGTON - The Pentagon has ordered roughly 1,250 Marines serving as trainers for the Afghan security forces to stay on the warfront almost a month longer to continue a mission that military leaders say is a top priority, according to a senior military official.
In addition, Defense Secretary Robert Gates has authorized the deployment of up to 200 other troops to Afghanistan to support the Marines. That includes eight helicopter crews that could be shifted from Iraq if commanders decide.
The senior military official spoke to The Associated Press on Monday on condition of anonymity because the formal announcement has not yet been made.
The decision to extend the tour of the 2nd Battalion, 7th Marine Regiment in Afghanistan comes just a month after defense officials told the 24th Marine Expeditionary Unit that it would stay an extra month in Afghanistan.
According to the official, the decision to hold the battalion there longer is part of an effort to capitalize on the gains the Marines have made in the training mission. The extension means that the battalion would return home in late November.
Asked about Gates' decision, Pentagon press secretary Geoff Morrell said the secretary was responding to a request from the commanders.
Gates "is always pained to have to extend tours. He understands the effect that has on the families of our forces, but he also appreciates our commanders' need to make additional progress while the weather is still good in Afghanistan," Morrell said.
Lastly this morning, there's another issue that's been flying under the radar. Every now and again, a particular type of casualty creeps into the MSM, whether it's lost limbs, PTSD, or traumatic brain injury. Here's something that's been scarcely reported on. War is loud. And 1 of 4 soldiers in combat has some kind of hearing loss.
The bombs along the Baghdad road exploded one after the other, leaving one soldier unconscious and another screaming from his wounds. Staff Sgt. Kevin Dunne's squad was under attack. Rifle and machine gun fire pinned them down. Then, shots from a sniper.
Dunne yelled orders, but he and his squad were at a disadvantage.
Dunne said he couldn't hear well enough to tell where the sniper fire was coming from.
"I had no idea," he wrote in an e-mail to USA Today.
In the four months before the April 7 attack, the chief physician at Fort Hood, Texas, had warned that Dunne's hearing was so bad that he should be removed from combat duties. Others in the Army overruled him and sent Dunne back to Iraq for his third combat tour.
Now, a member of Dunne's squad — Sgt. Richard Vaughn, 22, of San Diego — lay dead from a sniper's bullet.
"He was lying in the middle of the street motionless," Dunne wrote. "I blame myself a lot for not being able to identify the threat simply because of the way I heard the shots."
Hearing loss is one of the most common ailments that affects troops sent back to combat, according to the Pentagon and government researchers. One in four soldiers serving in Iraq or Afghanistan have damaged hearing, the Army said. In addition, a recent study from the Rand Corp. reported one in five combat veterans suffer post-traumatic stress disorder or depression. Back pain, leg injuries and other musculoskeletal problems are the top ailments of troops in the war zone, said Ellen Embrey, deputy assistant secretary of Defense for force health protection and readiness.
Dunne, who in Iraq was part of the 4th Infantry Division at Fort Hood, is now back home. Besides his hearing problems, he shows signs of PTSD and has severe back problems.
After more than five years of war marked by multiple deployments, many combat veterans are developing long-term health problems, raising the risk that ailing troops are being sent back into combat.
Since 2003, 43,000 troops who were classified as medically unfit in the weeks prior to deployment were still sent to war, Pentagon statistics show. That number began to drop after 2003, but the trend has reversed in the last two years. Central Command, which oversees troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, is drafting rules that could make it more difficult to send unfit troops to war.
"As much as I wanted to get out there …, I'm seriously physically challenged by not being able to hear," Dunne wrote. "The guys to my left and right don't deserve anything to happen to them because of my personal pride."
So. Another week at war.
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Comment by 
m-hadley on 08/05/2008 12:09:12
m-hadley on 08/05/2008 12:09:12
Mornin' Everybody :coffee:
Another week at war, eh? War sucks, that's my thought for today :P
Cheers,
mfaye
:peace:
Another week at war, eh? War sucks, that's my thought for today :P
Cheers,
mfaye
:peace:
Comment by 
wickedpam on 08/05/2008 12:21:22
wickedpam on 08/05/2008 12:21:22
Morning :hug:
Comment by 
capt on 08/05/2008 12:32:49
capt on 08/05/2008 12:32:49
Good Morning!
Great post (as always) I would sidebar that Iraq is an occupation not a war. UGH!
Afghanistan is another story.
Bring the troops home.
So. Another week at war.
Great post (as always) I would sidebar that Iraq is an occupation not a war. UGH!
Afghanistan is another story.
Bring the troops home.
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 12:36:25
capt on 08/05/2008 12:36:25
Bombshell: White House ordered forged document to sell war
Now can we impeach the SOB's!
AAAARRRRGGGHHH!
Covering the book in the Politico, reliably Republican reporter Mike Allen writes:
A new book by the author Ron Suskind claims that the White House ordered the CIA to forge a back-dated, handwritten letter from the head of Iraqi intelligence to Saddam Hussein.
Suskind writes in "The Way of the World," to be published Tuesday, that the alleged forgery – adamantly denied by the White House – was designed to portray a false link between Hussein’s regime and al Qaeda as a justification for the Iraq war.
The author also claims that the Bush administration had information from a top Iraqi intelligence official "that there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq – intelligence they received in plenty of time to stop an invasion....
...."The White House had concocted a fake letter from Habbush to Saddam, backdated to July 1, 2001," Suskind writes. "It said that 9/11 ringleader Mohammad Atta had actually trained for his mission in Iraq – thus showing, finally, that there was an operational link between Saddam and al Qaeda, something the Vice President’s Office had been pressing CIA to prove since 9/11 as a justification to invade Iraq. There is no link.""
Now can we impeach the SOB's!
AAAARRRRGGGHHH!
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 12:40:19
capt on 08/05/2008 12:40:19
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 12:47:39
capt on 08/05/2008 12:47:39
A another NEW Barack ad!
Comment by 
Shane-O on 08/05/2008 12:59:50
Shane-O on 08/05/2008 12:59:50
TriSec - great Tues post, as always. I had not thought about the hearing injuries - as you pointed out, not being covered. Thanks for posting about that issue. There's not only the personal loss, but the effect it has in combat - I simply cannot imagine.
No truer a phrase written - "War is loud."
No truer a phrase written - "War is loud."
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 13:02:51
capt on 08/05/2008 13:02:51
Bill Press likes Bob Novak and Ron Paul?
It makes me a little sick to my stomach to hear so-called progressives fawn over liars, racists, opportunists and creeps. It says more about a lack of character possessed by Bill Press than anything he has ever written.
It makes me a little sick to my stomach to hear so-called progressives fawn over liars, racists, opportunists and creeps. It says more about a lack of character possessed by Bill Press than anything he has ever written.
Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation for 'tis better to be alone than in bad company.
~ George Washington (1732 - 1799)
Comment by wickedpam on 08/05/2008 13:08:19
wickedpam on 08/05/2008 13:08:19
:rofl: Steph over slept 
Comment by 
Grumpymann on 08/05/2008 13:17:58
Grumpymann on 08/05/2008 13:17:58
Hey folks....
Comment by 
velveeta jones on 08/05/2008 13:19:37
velveeta jones on 08/05/2008 13:19:37
Morning all!
Hey, speaking of a shitload of $............. I watched this teevee show last night on CNBC about America's Billionaires and the new "guilded class" that we have.
Disgusting.
Basically, many of the men (they are almost all white men) are "driven" to do this and actually said they think of making money as a .................game. A GAME!!
Un-fucking-believable!
Hey, speaking of a shitload of $............. I watched this teevee show last night on CNBC about America's Billionaires and the new "guilded class" that we have.
Disgusting.
Basically, many of the men (they are almost all white men) are "driven" to do this and actually said they think of making money as a .................game. A GAME!!
Un-fucking-believable!
Comment by Grumpymann on 08/05/2008 13:22:32
"I eat babies!"
Grumpymann on 08/05/2008 13:22:32
Quote by velveeta jones:
Morning all!
Hey, speaking of a shitload of $............. I watched this teevee show last night on CNBC about America's Billionaires and the new "guilded class" that we have.
Disgusting.
Basically, many of the men (they are almost all white men) are "driven" to do this and actually said they think of making money as a .................game. A GAME!!
Un-fucking-believable!
Comment by wickedpam on 08/05/2008 13:23:57
Hey Grump. I was up in PA over the weekend. Your and SSG are closer to Philly aren't you.
wickedpam on 08/05/2008 13:23:57
Quote by Grumpymann:
Hey folks....
Hey Grump. I was up in PA over the weekend. Your and SSG are closer to Philly aren't you.
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 13:24:30
It is a money club. I read somewhere that the Forbes top 400 CEO's are all white males that all attended prep school and top universities (I think 99% ivy league)
To put it into some perspective - any of us could win the lottery and we wouldn't have enough to buy one of these guy's private jets.
One of us regular folks would have to win the lottery every year for about twenty years to even come close.
There is a class war going on - most don't even notice we are losing.
capt on 08/05/2008 13:24:30
Quote by velveeta jones:
Morning all!
Hey, speaking of a shitload of $............. I watched this teevee show last night on CNBC about America's Billionaires and the new "guilded class" that we have.
Disgusting.
Basically, many of the men (they are almost all white men) are "driven" to do this and actually said they think of making money as a .................game. A GAME!!
Un-fucking-believable!
It is a money club. I read somewhere that the Forbes top 400 CEO's are all white males that all attended prep school and top universities (I think 99% ivy league)
To put it into some perspective - any of us could win the lottery and we wouldn't have enough to buy one of these guy's private jets.
One of us regular folks would have to win the lottery every year for about twenty years to even come close.
There is a class war going on - most don't even notice we are losing.
Comment by Grumpymann on 08/05/2008 13:26:47
Allentown.
About an hour from Philly.
Almost ended up in Seattle, Wa.
Deal fell apart.
(Sucks and a good thing in a way.)
Grumpymann on 08/05/2008 13:26:47
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Grumpymann:
Hey folks....
Hey Grump. I was up in PA over the weekend. Your and SSG are closer to Philly aren't you.
Allentown.
About an hour from Philly.
Almost ended up in Seattle, Wa.
Deal fell apart.
(Sucks and a good thing in a way.)
Comment by Grumpymann on 08/05/2008 13:28:33
Without access to ariatable land and seeds that do not "Turn off" in a few years.
Um we kind of lost it already.
Grumpymann on 08/05/2008 13:28:33
Quote by capt:Quote by velveeta jones:
Morning all!
Hey, speaking of a shitload of $............. I watched this teevee show last night on CNBC about America's Billionaires and the new "guilded class" that we have.
Disgusting.
Basically, many of the men (they are almost all white men) are "driven" to do this and actually said they think of making money as a .................game. A GAME!!
Un-fucking-believable!
It is a money club. I read somewhere that the Forbes top 400 CEO's are all white males that all attended prep school and top universities (I think 99% ivy league)
To put it into some perspective - any of us could win the lottery and we wouldn't have enough to buy one of these guy's private jets.
One of us regular folks would have to win the lottery every year for about twenty years to even come close.
There is a class war going on - most don't even notice we are losing.
Without access to ariatable land and seeds that do not "Turn off" in a few years.
Um we kind of lost it already.
Comment by wickedpam on 08/05/2008 13:29:36
How far is that from Hershey and Grantville?
wickedpam on 08/05/2008 13:29:36
Quote by Grumpymann:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Grumpymann:
Hey folks....
Hey Grump. I was up in PA over the weekend. Your and SSG are closer to Philly aren't you.
Allentown.
About an hour from Philly.
Almost ended up in Seattle, Wa.
Deal fell apart.
(Sucks and a good thing in a way.)
How far is that from Hershey and Grantville?
Comment by velveeta jones on 08/05/2008 13:32:13
velveeta jones on 08/05/2008 13:32:13
OT completely: CNN is reporting a new study, that my lovely better half (I'm bragging now) already figured out:
Omega 3 really really really good for you. Puts more oxygen in the brain and helps prevent strokes.
Years ago, when I was having many seizures, Aunt Azalea had me take double amounts of Omega 3 aka Fish Oil, and my seizures have stopped. No more doctors scratching their heads or meds!!
So I hope ya'll are adding them to your diets.
Omega 3 really really really good for you. Puts more oxygen in the brain and helps prevent strokes.
Years ago, when I was having many seizures, Aunt Azalea had me take double amounts of Omega 3 aka Fish Oil, and my seizures have stopped. No more doctors scratching their heads or meds!!
So I hope ya'll are adding them to your diets.
Comment by Grumpymann on 08/05/2008 13:33:08
Grumpymann on 08/05/2008 13:33:08
Has any one heard of "transperant" or "Cellulose" rolling papers?
And no I'm not
now.
I smoke tobacco and Roll my own cigs.
I picked up some extra papers and didn't notice that they were see through.
The ones I'm using are a bit thicker they burn slower, and have less aftertaste.
But it's weired!
And no I'm not
now. I smoke tobacco and Roll my own cigs.
I picked up some extra papers and didn't notice that they were see through.
The ones I'm using are a bit thicker they burn slower, and have less aftertaste.
But it's weired!
Comment by Grumpymann on 08/05/2008 13:35:01
About 2 hours I think.
I'm still not real good with directions here in PA
Grumpymann on 08/05/2008 13:35:01
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Grumpymann:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Grumpymann:
Hey folks....
Hey Grump. I was up in PA over the weekend. Your and SSG are closer to Philly aren't you.
Allentown.
About an hour from Philly.
Almost ended up in Seattle, Wa.
Deal fell apart.
(Sucks and a good thing in a way.)
How far is that from Hershey and Grantville?
I'm still not real good with directions here in PA
Comment by Grumpymann on 08/05/2008 13:36:45
Grumpymann on 08/05/2008 13:36:45
Wireless networks i a APT complex.....
SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 13:38:28
I have used them. Odd but they do work. My resistence to change made me return to the zig-zags but the clear one are kind cool . . .
capt on 08/05/2008 13:38:28
Quote by Grumpymann:
Has any one heard of "transperant" or "Cellulose" rolling papers?
And no I'm not
I smoke tobacco and Roll my own cigs.
I picked up some extra papers and didn't notice that they were see through.
The ones I'm using are a bit thicker they burn slower, and have less aftertaste.
But it's weired!
I have used them. Odd but they do work. My resistence to change made me return to the zig-zags but the clear one are kind cool . . .
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 13:40:07
But Monsanto really loves the little people, they just want more profit (so sez the prophet profit)
capt on 08/05/2008 13:40:07
Without access to ariatable land and seeds that do not "Turn off" in a few years.
But Monsanto really loves the little people, they just want more profit (so sez the prophet profit)
Comment by Grumpymann on 08/05/2008 13:40:16
Grumpymann on 08/05/2008 13:40:16
Drill Kruathammer (sp?) in the Fucken ass!
Comment by wickedpam on 08/05/2008 13:41:39
wickedpam on 08/05/2008 13:41:39
Hey did we every come up with a map for current oil leases?
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 13:42:14
Have also kept my better half off the "statins" and her blood work has been MUCH better since I started her on about 3k mg of Omega 3's.
The stuff is gold!
capt on 08/05/2008 13:42:14
Omega 3
Have also kept my better half off the "statins" and her blood work has been MUCH better since I started her on about 3k mg of Omega 3's.
The stuff is gold!
Comment by wickedpam on 08/05/2008 13:42:51
I was just curious. It's been a while since I've dealt with what was where in PA too :)
wickedpam on 08/05/2008 13:42:51
Quote by Grumpymann:About 2 hours I think.Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Grumpymann:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Grumpymann:
Hey folks....
Hey Grump. I was up in PA over the weekend. Your and SSG are closer to Philly aren't you.
Allentown.
About an hour from Philly.
Almost ended up in Seattle, Wa.
Deal fell apart.
(Sucks and a good thing in a way.)
How far is that from Hershey and Grantville?
I'm still not real good with directions here in PA
I was just curious. It's been a while since I've dealt with what was where in PA too :)
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 13:43:45
I cannot find any off shore maps - we found Alaskan north shore and maps for the continental US.
What we found is on the last thread.
capt on 08/05/2008 13:43:45
Quote by wickedpam:
Hey did we every come up with a map for current oil leases?
I cannot find any off shore maps - we found Alaskan north shore and maps for the continental US.
What we found is on the last thread.
Comment by Grumpymann on 08/05/2008 13:44:48
Tried to get my "Father in law" (In quotes cuz almost 10 years latter he still will not talk to me).
to do some farming (Organic of course) so I looked into it. And found that "Legasy Seeds are CHEAPER don't tum off but HARD AS HELL TO FIND!
At least in the numbers you need to make money on a farm.
Grumpymann on 08/05/2008 13:44:48
Quote by capt:Without access to ariatable land and seeds that do not "Turn off" in a few years.
But Monsanto really loves the little people, they just want more profit (so sez the prophet profit)
Tried to get my "Father in law" (In quotes cuz almost 10 years latter he still will not talk to me).
to do some farming (Organic of course) so I looked into it. And found that "Legasy Seeds are CHEAPER don't tum off but HARD AS HELL TO FIND!
At least in the numbers you need to make money on a farm.
Comment by 
Scoopster on 08/05/2008 13:47:07
Scoopster on 08/05/2008 13:47:07
Morning folks! Urgh.. way too busy here lately. One of our two salespeople has been out on personal leave for two weeks, and will probably be out at least another month - she kinda err.. wigged out.
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 13:50:08
capt on 08/05/2008 13:50:08
Comment by wickedpam on 08/05/2008 13:51:11
Was it that picture that looked like a mosaic with colors and numbers?
wickedpam on 08/05/2008 13:51:11
Quote by capt:Quote by wickedpam:
Hey did we every come up with a map for current oil leases?
I cannot find any off shore maps - we found Alaskan north shore and maps for the continental US.
What we found is on the last thread.
Was it that picture that looked like a mosaic with colors and numbers?
Comment by Grumpymann on 08/05/2008 13:51:33
Law Enforcement?
With some sense ?
Um.. what is happening in ChimpyMcBush World!
Stuff making sense?
WTF?
Grumpymann on 08/05/2008 13:51:33
WASHINGTON - Federal and local authorities are girding for huge protests, mammoth traffic tie-ups and civil disturbances at the Democratic National Convention in Denver this month, fearing that the convention will become a magnet for militant protest groups.
Officials say that what makes Denver different than past conventions is the historic nature of Senator Barack Obama’s nomination, a megawattage event whose global spotlight could draw tens of thousands of demonstrators, including self-described anarchists who the police fear will infiltrate peaceful protest groups to disrupt the weeklong event.
The Secret Service is wary of discussing threats against the people they protect, but with Mr. Obama poised to become the first black presidential nominee, there are special worries. While law enforcement officials say there are no specific, credible threats against Mr. Obama, they expressed concern about low-level chatter on Web sites frequented by white separatists who spew hate about Mr. Obama’s race and what they perceive as his liberal agenda.
Law Enforcement?
With some sense ?
Um.. what is happening in ChimpyMcBush World!
Stuff making sense?
WTF?
Comment by 
Raine on 08/05/2008 13:52:50
Raine on 08/05/2008 13:52:50
Good morning! 
:yawn:
:yawn:
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 13:53:04
capt on 08/05/2008 13:53:04
Um, I did find maps of the Exxon oil spill - made me depressed about the issue and gave up - I might try to look again.
Comment by Raine on 08/05/2008 13:54:14
Raine on 08/05/2008 13:54:14
Grump! 
Comment by Grumpymann on 08/05/2008 13:54:49
Grumpymann on 08/05/2008 13:54:49
So to battle the ChimpyMcBush = McSame meam (True by the way.)
The Rethugs are trying to start Obama = H. Clinton?
Yeah that will work!
The Rethugs are trying to start Obama = H. Clinton?
Yeah that will work!
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 13:55:02
That was the north slope oil leases - a tiny little part.
capt on 08/05/2008 13:55:02
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by capt:Quote by wickedpam:
Hey did we every come up with a map for current oil leases?
I cannot find any off shore maps - we found Alaskan north shore and maps for the continental US.
What we found is on the last thread.
Was it that picture that looked like a mosaic with colors and numbers?
That was the north slope oil leases - a tiny little part.
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 13:56:09
capt on 08/05/2008 13:56:09
Comment by 
starling310 on 08/05/2008 13:56:50
Yeah, right after we arrest Karl Rove.
starling310 on 08/05/2008 13:56:50
Quote by capt:
Now can we impeach the SOB's!
Yeah, right after we arrest Karl Rove.
Comment by Grumpymann on 08/05/2008 13:57:00
Grumpymann on 08/05/2008 13:57:00
Dose anyone know if Bob is a network guy or is he a code monkey?
Comment by Raine on 08/05/2008 13:57:56
See thru? strange! I roll my own as well... before I move to useing the tube machine, the papers that came with my tobacco we 100% Flax... kinda transparent.
I have TONS of them... is it legal to mail them? (I have over 45 pax - 50 in each) I don't want to throw them away... but iffin you could use them Just sayin!
Raine on 08/05/2008 13:57:56
Quote by Grumpymann:
Has any one heard of "transperant" or "Cellulose" rolling papers?
And no I'm not
I smoke tobacco and Roll my own cigs.
I picked up some extra papers and didn't notice that they were see through.
The ones I'm using are a bit thicker they burn slower, and have less aftertaste.
But it's weired!
I have TONS of them... is it legal to mail them? (I have over 45 pax - 50 in each) I don't want to throw them away... but iffin you could use them Just sayin!
Comment by wickedpam on 08/05/2008 13:58:21
Okay.
Between creating sell sheets I'll see if I can help find something. Thought I had something from the USGS but it didn't include the US and was only a map of where they thought oil was.
wickedpam on 08/05/2008 13:58:21
Quote by capt:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by capt:Quote by wickedpam:
Hey did we every come up with a map for current oil leases?
I cannot find any off shore maps - we found Alaskan north shore and maps for the continental US.
What we found is on the last thread.
Was it that picture that looked like a mosaic with colors and numbers?
That was the north slope oil leases - a tiny little part.
Okay.
Between creating sell sheets I'll see if I can help find something. Thought I had something from the USGS but it didn't include the US and was only a map of where they thought oil was.
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 13:58:23
capt on 08/05/2008 13:58:23
I can't wait for the debates.
Folks, McCain will be just as "on point" and every bit as dynamic as he has been.
It is going to be crypt keeper versus the future.
"Um . . . Er . . . I was . . . what was the question?"
Folks, McCain will be just as "on point" and every bit as dynamic as he has been.
It is going to be crypt keeper versus the future.
"Um . . . Er . . . I was . . . what was the question?"
Comment by starling310 on 08/05/2008 13:58:45
starling310 on 08/05/2008 13:58:45
:yawn:
Comment by Raine on 08/05/2008 13:59:13
Both... When he gets back online, I can tell him you are looking for him... currently he is en route to work.
Raine on 08/05/2008 13:59:13
Quote by Grumpymann:
Dose anyone know if Bob is a network guy or is he a code monkey?
Both... When he gets back online, I can tell him you are looking for him... currently he is en route to work.
Comment by wickedpam on 08/05/2008 14:00:40
wickedpam on 08/05/2008 14:00:40
Quote by capt:
I can't wait for the debates.
Folks, McCain will be just as "on point" and every bit as dynamic as he has been.
It is going to be crypt keeper versus the future.
"Um . . . Er . . . I was . . . what was the question?"
They'll probably make him take a nap before hand
Comment by velveeta jones on 08/05/2008 14:01:07
velveeta jones on 08/05/2008 14:01:07
Obama on live on CNN and just said: McCain recieved 1 Million dollars just last month from the Oil companies......."
BAM!! Hell yeah!!
BAM!! Hell yeah!!
Comment by 
livingonli on 08/05/2008 14:01:37
livingonli on 08/05/2008 14:01:37
Good morning everyone. 
I so did not want to get out of bed this morning. And I have to work tonight.
I so did not want to get out of bed this morning. And I have to work tonight.
Comment by Raine on 08/05/2008 14:02:39
Raine on 08/05/2008 14:02:39
:rolleyes2: John McCain would fall apart from the rev of a harley... (listening to the AP news)
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 14:02:56
capt on 08/05/2008 14:02:56
So the cost of oil is going down WITHOUT DRILLING!!!
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 14:04:31
capt on 08/05/2008 14:04:31
Potential Impacts of Proposed Oil and Gas Development on the Arctic Refuge's Coastal Plain: Historical Overview and Issues of Concern
Some good info and a few maps. . .
Some good info and a few maps. . .
Comment by livingonli on 08/05/2008 14:05:17
The Republicans just want to destroy the planet by drilling in ecologically unsafe areas. Their motto is still rape the planet.
livingonli on 08/05/2008 14:05:17
Quote by capt:
So the cost of oil is going down WITHOUT DRILLING!!!
The Republicans just want to destroy the planet by drilling in ecologically unsafe areas. Their motto is still rape the planet.
Comment by Grumpymann on 08/05/2008 14:07:11
That would be great!
I spent 6 bucks (That we don't have) on papers!
We get papers in the tins, we smoke American Spirit. But between being so out of it lately and Ms. Grump being out a lot lately, we can't seem to keep track of the.
I'm having a wireless problem here. Too many people on the same channel. I have tried to get the people here in this building to let me know what channel they are using so we would not step on each other. But no one with a HS net connection will talk to me.
I've SOMEHOW become seen as a bit of an asshole to some people that live here.
LOL of course the old people LOVE me! I wonder why?
Grumpymann on 08/05/2008 14:07:11
Quote by Raine:See thru? strange! I roll my own as well... before I move to useing the tube machine, the papers that came with my tobacco we 100% Flax... kinda transparent.Quote by Grumpymann:
Has any one heard of "transperant" or "Cellulose" rolling papers?
And no I'm not
I smoke tobacco and Roll my own cigs.
I picked up some extra papers and didn't notice that they were see through.
The ones I'm using are a bit thicker they burn slower, and have less aftertaste.
But it's weired!
I have TONS of them... is it legal to mail them? (I have over 45 pax - 50 in each) I don't want to throw them away... but iffin you could use them Just sayin!
I spent 6 bucks (That we don't have) on papers!
We get papers in the tins, we smoke American Spirit. But between being so out of it lately and Ms. Grump being out a lot lately, we can't seem to keep track of the.
I'm having a wireless problem here. Too many people on the same channel. I have tried to get the people here in this building to let me know what channel they are using so we would not step on each other. But no one with a HS net connection will talk to me.
I've SOMEHOW become seen as a bit of an asshole to some people that live here.
LOL of course the old people LOVE me! I wonder why?
Comment by 
TriSec on 08/05/2008 14:08:47
TriSec on 08/05/2008 14:08:47
Tobaccy smokers??
Never cared for the minis in the paper, but brandy seems a little nekkid without a good cigar...
Dear President Obama:
Can we import Cuban cigars again?
Please?
TriSec
Never cared for the minis in the paper, but brandy seems a little nekkid without a good cigar...
Dear President Obama:
Can we import Cuban cigars again?
Please?
TriSec
Comment by Grumpymann on 08/05/2008 14:12:21
I NEVER do as of late.
But my alarm clock (Old Assed Balder) will not let me sleep in.
Grumpymann on 08/05/2008 14:12:21
Quote by livingonli:
Good morning everyone.
I so did not want to get out of bed this morning. And I have to work tonight.
I NEVER do as of late.
But my alarm clock (Old Assed Balder) will not let me sleep in.
Comment by Grumpymann on 08/05/2008 14:14:27
Grumpymann on 08/05/2008 14:14:27
Quote by TriSec:
Tobaccy smokers??
Never cared for the minis in the paper, but brandy seems a little nekkid without a good cigar...
Dear President Obama:
Can we import Cuban cigars again?
Please?
TriSec
Comment by Raine on 08/05/2008 14:16:12
you know... the company that bought Budweiser... They do business with Cuba.
Wonder what John McCain thinks about that.
Raine on 08/05/2008 14:16:12
Quote by TriSec:
Tobaccy smokers??
Never cared for the minis in the paper, but brandy seems a little nekkid without a good cigar...
Dear President Obama:
Can we import Cuban cigars again?
Please?
TriSec
Wonder what John McCain thinks about that.
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 14:19:49
capt on 08/05/2008 14:19:49
I wish I could sleep in - 3:30 to 4:30am I am up and trying to sleep again in the morning hours is impossible.
Comment by Raine on 08/05/2008 14:21:19
Raine on 08/05/2008 14:21:19
Grump, I have the American spirit papers... would they be alright for you guys?
Comment by livingonli on 08/05/2008 14:21:21
livingonli on 08/05/2008 14:21:21
Does this make me the odd duck being the nonsmoker in the group? My father smoked two packs a day and the damn things were what killed him.
Comment by 
BobR on 08/05/2008 14:21:39
I am more of a code monkey than a network guy, although I used to be a network administrator for our company's dev lab about 10 years ago...
What's the problem?
BobR on 08/05/2008 14:21:39
Quote by Grumpymann:
Dose anyone know if Bob is a network guy or is he a code monkey?
I am more of a code monkey than a network guy, although I used to be a network administrator for our company's dev lab about 10 years ago...
What's the problem?
Comment by Grumpymann on 08/05/2008 14:22:56
I thought I was the only one!
The Ms. can't understand why I'm still up "So early"when I'm not working.
I just can't sleep in the day unless I'm sick!
Grumpymann on 08/05/2008 14:22:56
Quote by capt:
I wish I could sleep in - 3:30 to 4:30am I am up and trying to sleep again in the morning hours is impossible.
I thought I was the only one!
The Ms. can't understand why I'm still up "So early"when I'm not working.
I just can't sleep in the day unless I'm sick!
Comment by wickedpam on 08/05/2008 14:23:26
I don't smoke either and I grew up with smokers all around me.
wickedpam on 08/05/2008 14:23:26
Quote by livingonli:
Does this make me the odd duck being the nonsmoker in the group? My father smoked two packs a day and the damn things were what killed him.
I don't smoke either and I grew up with smokers all around me.
Comment by Grumpymann on 08/05/2008 14:24:20
YUP! thats what we smoke as well!
Grumpymann on 08/05/2008 14:24:20
Quote by Raine:
Grump, I have the American spirit papers... would they be alright for you guys?
YUP! thats what we smoke as well!
Comment by Raine on 08/05/2008 14:27:37
PM me your address... We'll mail them out.
You know, The company itself is green, have you ever cheked out the sight?
I know that smoking is bad you, but of all the stuff out there, I would rather smoke additive free stuff, from acompany that actually supports their community.
Raine on 08/05/2008 14:27:37
Quote by Grumpymann:Quote by Raine:
Grump, I have the American spirit papers... would they be alright for you guys?
YUP! thats what we smoke as well!
PM me your address... We'll mail them out.
You know, The company itself is green, have you ever cheked out the sight?
I know that smoking is bad you, but of all the stuff out there, I would rather smoke additive free stuff, from acompany that actually supports their community.
Comment by Raine on 08/05/2008 14:29:00
Raine on 08/05/2008 14:29:00
I LOVE the callers accent! :: swoon ::
Comment by Grumpymann on 08/05/2008 14:30:22
My Wireless router-e (Or my computers BOTH them) keeps dropping the signal. I have to keep disable and re-enable the wireless feature on the boxes.
It keeps getting worse until I change the channel on the router.
Works well for a while the it happens again.
I tried to get the people in the building together so we could all use a diffrent channel but they either don't want to listen to me or avoid me.
Any help?
Grumpymann on 08/05/2008 14:30:22
Quote by BobR:Quote by Grumpymann:
Dose anyone know if Bob is a network guy or is he a code monkey?
I am more of a code monkey than a network guy, although I used to be a network administrator for our company's dev lab about 10 years ago...
What's the problem?
My Wireless router-e (Or my computers BOTH them) keeps dropping the signal. I have to keep disable and re-enable the wireless feature on the boxes.
It keeps getting worse until I change the channel on the router.
Works well for a while the it happens again.
I tried to get the people in the building together so we could all use a diffrent channel but they either don't want to listen to me or avoid me.
Any help?
Comment by velveeta jones on 08/05/2008 14:30:32
velveeta jones on 08/05/2008 14:30:32
Hey, did anyone get that web-dress that Mike mentioned on SMS? McCain take the test? I was doing sum'in and not all, like, paying attention, and like............ stuff.
Comment by Raine on 08/05/2008 14:31:03
Raine on 08/05/2008 14:31:03
HEadlines at drudge right now:
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China Locks Down City After Attack; Journalists Detained...
'Guarantees' safe Games...
300,000 surveillance cameras...
Smog worries athletes...
China to shoot dust into threatening clouds for opening ceremony...
nice :grumble:
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China Locks Down City After Attack; Journalists Detained...
'Guarantees' safe Games...
300,000 surveillance cameras...
Smog worries athletes...
China to shoot dust into threatening clouds for opening ceremony...
nice :grumble:
Comment by Raine on 08/05/2008 14:32:04
Raine on 08/05/2008 14:32:04
Ahhh... I see the president is spreading the love and joy all over the world again... *sigh* protests in Korea... Who would have thought it? 
Comment by Raine on 08/05/2008 14:33:45
takethetestjohn.com I believe.
Raine on 08/05/2008 14:33:45
Quote by velveeta jones:
Hey, did anyone get that web-dress that Mike mentioned on SMS? McCain take the test? I was doing sum'in and not all, like, paying attention, and like............ stuff.
takethetestjohn.com I believe.
Comment by Grumpymann on 08/05/2008 14:37:34
http://takethetestjohn.com/
Grumpymann on 08/05/2008 14:37:34
Quote by velveeta jones:
Hey, did anyone get that web-dress that Mike mentioned on SMS? McCain take the test? I was doing sum'in and not all, like, paying attention, and like............ stuff.
http://takethetestjohn.com/
Comment by Raine on 08/05/2008 14:38:27
Raine on 08/05/2008 14:38:27
hey... what is going on? Where are the comments?
Comment by Raine on 08/05/2008 14:39:20
Raine on 08/05/2008 14:39:20
That was strange... for a moment there, the comments went away on my mca-sheen 
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 14:40:14
capt on 08/05/2008 14:40:14
Opinion: McCain Among The Earliest Promoters Of False Iraqi Anthrax Link
Only a little interesting but the video has a McCain that can think and talk . . .
I don't think the "new" McCain wants people comparing him to the old McCain even though the "new" McCain is older . .
Wait, now I confused myself.
Only a little interesting but the video has a McCain that can think and talk . . .
I don't think the "new" McCain wants people comparing him to the old McCain even though the "new" McCain is older . .
Wait, now I confused myself.
Comment by m-hadley on 08/05/2008 14:40:44
I don't smoke tobacco :P
Cheers,
mfaye
m-hadley on 08/05/2008 14:40:44
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by livingonli:
Does this make me the odd duck being the nonsmoker in the group? My father smoked two packs a day and the damn things were what killed him.
I don't smoke either and I grew up with smokers all around me.
I don't smoke tobacco :P
Cheers,
mfaye
Comment by Raine on 08/05/2008 14:41:51
Raine on 08/05/2008 14:41:51
Speaking of Spanish: From Americablog...
Pictures at the link.
AMERICAblog reader Jay writes us, and is correct, that McCain's English-language home page has a big "Country First" banner at the top of the page. No such banner at the top of the Spanish-language version of his site. I just think some conservatives might find that odd. Well, actually, some Latinos might too. Doesn't McCain think that Latinos put country first?
Another difference is that the Latino site has, right in the center of the home page, a picture of McCain lying in his hospital bed after being tortured in Vietnam. No such photo on the English-language home page. McCain also calls himself a "great hero" on his Spanish-language home page.
Comment by livingonli on 08/05/2008 14:42:21
livingonli on 08/05/2008 14:42:21
Raine, HBK is on the SMS Live Blog.
Comment by Raine on 08/05/2008 14:43:18
Raine on 08/05/2008 14:43:18
Momma's hillary friends are STILL threatening to vote for McCain? 
NOT acceptable.
NOT acceptable.
Comment by TriSec on 08/05/2008 14:43:50
TriSec on 08/05/2008 14:43:50
Now Playing: Ring of Fire....
And the new full-length Olbermann podcast rocks!
And the new full-length Olbermann podcast rocks!
Comment by Grumpymann on 08/05/2008 14:44:02
Grumpymann on 08/05/2008 14:44:02
"You might be a republican if...."
Quote by capt:
Wait, now I confused myself.
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 14:44:17
capt on 08/05/2008 14:44:17
I quit smoking tobacco once for two years. Missed it and started again.
I was a ski instructor and couldn't smoke during the ski season a few years running. That was about 5 months but when the snow was gone I was lighting up.
Tobacco addiction sucks big-time.
I was a ski instructor and couldn't smoke during the ski season a few years running. That was about 5 months but when the snow was gone I was lighting up.
Tobacco addiction sucks big-time.
Comment by Raine on 08/05/2008 14:46:02
Raine on 08/05/2008 14:46:02
:heart: Faye!
How are you doing?
How are you doing?
Comment by Raine on 08/05/2008 14:46:26
Raine on 08/05/2008 14:46:26
:heart: Faye!
How are you doing?
How are you doing?
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 14:46:48
*runs screaming*
capt on 08/05/2008 14:46:48
"You might be a republican if...."
*runs screaming*
Comment by TriSec on 08/05/2008 14:47:02
TriSec on 08/05/2008 14:47:02
And the first story on RofF is the lame-o "BarackBook" Raine told us about last week.
4F...always ahead of the curve!
Hell, one of our members is named Scoop, dammit!
4F...always ahead of the curve!
Hell, one of our members is named Scoop, dammit!
Comment by Grumpymann on 08/05/2008 14:52:49
PM SENT!
Thanks Raine
Grumpymann on 08/05/2008 14:52:49
Quote by Raine:Quote by Grumpymann:Quote by Raine:
Grump, I have the American spirit papers... would they be alright for you guys?
YUP! thats what we smoke as well!
PM me your address... We'll mail them out.
You know, The company itself is green, have you ever cheked out the sight?
I know that smoking is bad you, but of all the stuff out there, I would rather smoke additive free stuff, from acompany that actually supports their community.
Thanks Raine
Comment by Raine on 08/05/2008 14:54:09
Raine on 08/05/2008 14:54:09
Ahhhh... BarackBook... 3 splendid hours of my life. I miss the BarackBook application. Bot that one got removed FAST. I don't think they liked it when I said that John McCain wants you kids to GET OFF OF HIS LAWN!!!
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 14:55:10
capt on 08/05/2008 14:55:10
Comment by Raine on 08/05/2008 14:55:36
Raine on 08/05/2008 14:55:36
BUDDY... Slowly I turned....
:D
:D
Comment by BobR on 08/05/2008 14:57:47
okay, so you're thinking that your neighbors' routers are conflicting with yours if they're on the same channel? I doubt it.
Do you have yours set up for secure connections only? If not, you could have other people glomming onto your wireless and eating up your bandwidth.
Where is your router located? Metal can interfere with the signal. Maybe moving it would help.
Check the lights on the router when your signal drops out. Are you still getting a good internet connection? Are the lights for the wireless connection(s) showing connections and activity?
BobR on 08/05/2008 14:57:47
Quote by Grumpymann:
My Wireless router-e (Or my computers BOTH them) keeps dropping the signal. I have to keep disable and re-enable the wireless feature on the boxes.
It keeps getting worse until I change the channel on the router.
Works well for a while the it happens again.
I tried to get the people in the building together so we could all use a diffrent channel but they either don't want to listen to me or avoid me.
Any help?
okay, so you're thinking that your neighbors' routers are conflicting with yours if they're on the same channel? I doubt it.
Do you have yours set up for secure connections only? If not, you could have other people glomming onto your wireless and eating up your bandwidth.
Where is your router located? Metal can interfere with the signal. Maybe moving it would help.
Check the lights on the router when your signal drops out. Are you still getting a good internet connection? Are the lights for the wireless connection(s) showing connections and activity?
Comment by livingonli on 08/05/2008 14:59:28
But, who do you think is really the most annoying caller? Jake? Kevin in DC?
livingonli on 08/05/2008 14:59:28
Quote by Raine:
BUDDY... Slowly I turned....
:D
But, who do you think is really the most annoying caller? Jake? Kevin in DC?
Comment by Raine on 08/05/2008 14:59:41
Raine on 08/05/2008 14:59:41
Shhh... Don't tell anyone... He's Black
I wasn't sure if everyone knew that about Barack Obama. But it's true.
:rolleyes2:
I am so sick of the Reich Wing.
I wasn't sure if everyone knew that about Barack Obama. But it's true.
:rolleyes2:
I am so sick of the Reich Wing.
Comment by Raine on 08/05/2008 15:01:06
Actually, none of them REALLY bother me.
if they came here to 4F I would be more than happy to get to know them.
Raine on 08/05/2008 15:01:06
Quote by livingonli:Quote by Raine:
BUDDY... Slowly I turned....
:D
But, who do you think is really the most annoying caller? Jake? Kevin in DC?
Actually, none of them REALLY bother me.
if they came here to 4F I would be more than happy to get to know them.
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 15:01:18
I had a friend that had some "dead" spots in his home wireless network - it was fixed with a signal amplifier. Not cheap but effective.
FWIW
capt on 08/05/2008 15:01:18
Where is your router located? Metal can interfere with the signal. Maybe moving it would help.
I had a friend that had some "dead" spots in his home wireless network - it was fixed with a signal amplifier. Not cheap but effective.
FWIW
Comment by wickedpam on 08/05/2008 15:02:38
I never understood the concept -
People die of smoke inhalation so why would I want to do that volunteerily(sp)? :shrug:
wickedpam on 08/05/2008 15:02:38
Quote by capt:
I quit smoking tobacco once for two years. Missed it and started again.
I was a ski instructor and couldn't smoke during the ski season a few years running. That was about 5 months but when the snow was gone I was lighting up.
Tobacco addiction sucks big-time.
I never understood the concept -
People die of smoke inhalation so why would I want to do that volunteerily(sp)? :shrug:
Comment by BobR on 08/05/2008 15:02:53
My dad used to smoke. I started when I was 16. My dad smoked Pall Mall filterless, so that was the first one I tried. That was pretty harsh... :puke:
Other smokers pointed out that I should be smoking Marlboros, so I tried those and they went much better. I went through a short menthol phase, but - like flavored coffee - I thought it was a strange combination.
I also smoked the occasional cigar.
I quit smoking cigarettes about 20 years ago, and never looked back.
I still smoke the occasional cigar. As TriSec says, it's a good accompaniment to a good drink (Scotch, bourbon, or dark beer).
BobR on 08/05/2008 15:02:53
Quote by capt:
I quit smoking tobacco once for two years. Missed it and started again.
I was a ski instructor and couldn't smoke during the ski season a few years running. That was about 5 months but when the snow was gone I was lighting up.
Tobacco addiction sucks big-time.
My dad used to smoke. I started when I was 16. My dad smoked Pall Mall filterless, so that was the first one I tried. That was pretty harsh... :puke:
Other smokers pointed out that I should be smoking Marlboros, so I tried those and they went much better. I went through a short menthol phase, but - like flavored coffee - I thought it was a strange combination.
I also smoked the occasional cigar.
I quit smoking cigarettes about 20 years ago, and never looked back.
I still smoke the occasional cigar. As TriSec says, it's a good accompaniment to a good drink (Scotch, bourbon, or dark beer).
Comment by Raine on 08/05/2008 15:03:02
Raine on 08/05/2008 15:03:02
10's of thousands of protestors in Korea huh?
Yeah.... I am looking forward to the world loving America again.
Yeah.... I am looking forward to the world loving America again.
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 15:03:03
He's not black - silly. That is just one of the email smears. Cheesus some people will believe anything . .
capt on 08/05/2008 15:03:03
Quote by Raine:
Shhh... Don't tell anyone... He's Black
I wasn't sure if everyone knew that about Barack Obama. But it's true.
:rolleyes2:
I am so sick of the Reich Wing.
He's not black - silly. That is just one of the email smears. Cheesus some people will believe anything . .
Comment by m-hadley on 08/05/2008 15:07:03
Hiya Raine,
I'm doing okay - had a rough weekend . The weather has been so blasted hot (100 degree + every day this week, ). But I've been trying to work out - gotta lose some weight. I love the rowing machine - wish I had one in my living room, so I could row away while watching KO 
Ah, dreams Thanks for asking :hug:
How's life for you and how's that Kizzie-grrrl doing? :heart:
Give BobR a hug for me - a photo of him with the hat and the beer just popped up on my screen saver - I love that shot - one of the best party pics evah...
Cheers,
mfaye
:peace:
m-hadley on 08/05/2008 15:07:03
Quote by Raine:
:heart: Faye!
How are you doing?
Hiya Raine,
I'm doing okay - had a rough weekend . The weather has been so blasted hot (100 degree + every day this week,
). But I've been trying to work out - gotta lose some weight. I love the rowing machine - wish I had one in my living room, so I could row away while watching KO Ah, dreams Thanks for asking :hug:How's life for you and how's that Kizzie-grrrl doing? :heart:
Give BobR a hug for me - a photo of him with the hat and the beer just popped up on my screen saver - I love that shot - one of the best party pics evah...
Cheers,
mfaye
:peace:
Comment by Grumpymann on 08/05/2008 15:07:46
I have a personal and irrational problem with WEP. So I use a MAC address filter. And the signal strength is good even when the Box drops the signal.
For a while I thought it was just my LapTopthat was having the problem. But Ms. Grumpy has a deskTop in the same room and when the LapTop drops so dose her desktop.
I'm running a Ping contumacious on the deskTop and it craps out to let me know when there is a problem.
It is not a Bandwith problem I also have a another desktop in the same curuit and it's plunged in RJ5 there is no loss of strength quality (I know it's Land lined but I wanted to use it to check to see if it was loss do to input loss of strength.).
I just can't see what the problem is unless someone else is using the same channel how is my wireless being stepped o?
Grumpymann on 08/05/2008 15:07:46
Quote by BobR:Quote by Grumpymann:
My Wireless router-e (Or my computers BOTH them) keeps dropping the signal. I have to keep disable and re-enable the wireless feature on the boxes.
It keeps getting worse until I change the channel on the router.
Works well for a while the it happens again.
I tried to get the people in the building together so we could all use a diffrent channel but they either don't want to listen to me or avoid me.
Any help?
okay, so you're thinking that your neighbors' routers are conflicting with yours if they're on the same channel? I doubt it.
Do you have yours set up for secure connections only? If not, you could have other people glomming onto your wireless and eating up your bandwidth.
Where is your router located? Metal can interfere with the signal. Maybe moving it would help.
Check the lights on the router when your signal drops out. Are you still getting a good internet connection? Are the lights for the wireless connection(s) showing connections and activity?
I have a personal and irrational problem with WEP. So I use a MAC address filter. And the signal strength is good even when the Box drops the signal.
For a while I thought it was just my LapTopthat was having the problem. But Ms. Grumpy has a deskTop in the same room and when the LapTop drops so dose her desktop.
I'm running a Ping contumacious on the deskTop and it craps out to let me know when there is a problem.
It is not a Bandwith problem I also have a another desktop in the same curuit and it's plunged in RJ5 there is no loss of strength quality (I know it's Land lined but I wanted to use it to check to see if it was loss do to input loss of strength.).
I just can't see what the problem is unless someone else is using the same channel how is my wireless being stepped o?
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 15:08:23
For the rich satisfying flavor (like having an ashtray in your mouth)!
Non-smokers will never get it. . . (kiddin')
It wasn't considered quite as suicidal when I started. But as we have learned over the years smoking is very unhealthy. Why do people do unhealthy things? Good question. No reason to single out just smoking, why do people do anything except ride bikes, drink water and eat celery?
capt on 08/05/2008 15:08:23
Quote by wickedpam:
I never understood the concept -
People die of smoke inhalation so why would I want to do that voluntarily? :shrug:
For the rich satisfying flavor (like having an ashtray in your mouth)!
Non-smokers will never get it. . . (kiddin')
It wasn't considered quite as suicidal when I started. But as we have learned over the years smoking is very unhealthy. Why do people do unhealthy things? Good question. No reason to single out just smoking, why do people do anything except ride bikes, drink water and eat celery?
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 15:15:12
capt on 08/05/2008 15:15:12
"Sean" gives me the giggles everytime . . . 
Comment by TriSec on 08/05/2008 15:20:00
The last time I tried that, I wound up in a ditch with the celery up my nose.
Or was I not supposed to do all that at the same time?
TriSec on 08/05/2008 15:20:00
Quote by capt:
No reason to single out just smoking, why do people do anything except ride bikes, drink water and eat celery?
The last time I tried that, I wound up in a ditch with the celery up my nose.
Or was I not supposed to do all that at the same time?
Comment by Raine on 08/05/2008 15:20:12
Raine on 08/05/2008 15:20:12
Wow! Check this out! The coolest news of the day!!
They found about 125,000 Gorillas living in the Congo!!! :party:
They found about 125,000 Gorillas living in the Congo!!! :party:
Comment by starling310 on 08/05/2008 15:20:45
starling310 on 08/05/2008 15:20:45
He's good in everything. And, I've heard he's a man who can get things.
I
Christina Applegate! She is way funnier than people give her credit for.
I
Christina Applegate! She is way funnier than people give her credit for.
Comment by starling310 on 08/05/2008 15:22:52
They are so beautiful.
The Congo, eh? That concerns me...do you think people will try to kill them?
In my next life, I want to be like Jane Goodall.
starling310 on 08/05/2008 15:22:52
Quote by Raine:
Wow! Check this out! The coolest news of the day!!
They found about 125,000 Gorillas living in the Congo!!! :party:
They are so beautiful. The Congo, eh? That concerns me...do you think people will try to kill them?
In my next life, I want to be like Jane Goodall.
Comment by Raine on 08/05/2008 15:24:39
Raine on 08/05/2008 15:24:39
KO mentioned this last night... in passing... But I thought you should know:
Ari Fleischer has a new gig...
As a consultant with the Green Bay Packers...
What the F are they thinking???
Ari Fleischer has a new gig...
As a consultant with the Green Bay Packers...
What the F are they thinking???
Comment by Raine on 08/05/2008 15:28:46
I love Gorillas. I was just reading a really tragic story in National Geographic about the murder of a family of Gorillas in Virunga, Congo... The pictures made me cry... the story is so damn sad. :cry:
When we go to the zoo, I can watch those majestic creatures all day.
Raine on 08/05/2008 15:28:46
Quote by starling310:Quote by Raine:
Wow! Check this out! The coolest news of the day!!
They found about 125,000 Gorillas living in the Congo!!! :party:
The Congo, eh? That concerns me...do you think people will try to kill them?
In my next life, I want to be like Jane Goodall.
When we go to the zoo, I can watch those majestic creatures all day.
Comment by BobR on 08/05/2008 15:29:36
It seems if that was the case, then your neighbors would be having the same problem.
BobR on 08/05/2008 15:29:36
Quote by Grumpymann:
I have a personal and irrational problem with WEP. So I use a MAC address filter. And the signal strength is good even when the Box drops the signal.
For a while I thought it was just my LapTopthat was having the problem. But Ms. Grumpy has a deskTop in the same room and when the LapTop drops so dose her desktop.
I'm running a Ping contumacious on the deskTop and it craps out to let me know when there is a problem.
It is not a Bandwith problem I also have a another desktop in the same curuit and it's plunged in RJ5 there is no loss of strength quality (I know it's Land lined but I wanted to use it to check to see if it was loss do to input loss of strength.).
I just can't see what the problem is unless someone else is using the same channel how is my wireless being stepped o?
It seems if that was the case, then your neighbors would be having the same problem.
Comment by BobR on 08/05/2008 15:30:55
BobR on 08/05/2008 15:30:55
Regarding the story on the Republicans mocking Obama with the tire gauges: Why is it they are mocking the one part of the plan that involves personal responsibility? I thought the Republicans were all about personal responsibility?
Comment by livingonli on 08/05/2008 15:34:17
Only for everyone else. They feel that they should be able to do whatever they want. Look what happens when they get arrested, suddenly the Law and Order Republicans feel as if they are entitled to do whatever they want.
That's why I don't have any respect for them anymore because of the rank hypocrisy.
livingonli on 08/05/2008 15:34:17
Quote by BobR:
Regarding the story on the Republicans mocking Obama with the tire gauges: Why is it they are mocking the one part of the plan that involves personal responsibility? I thought the Republicans were all about personal responsibility?
Only for everyone else. They feel that they should be able to do whatever they want. Look what happens when they get arrested, suddenly the Law and Order Republicans feel as if they are entitled to do whatever they want.
That's why I don't have any respect for them anymore because of the rank hypocrisy.
Comment by TriSec on 08/05/2008 15:34:21
TriSec on 08/05/2008 15:34:21
Boston doesn't have a great zoo, but we do have an excellent gorilla house at the Franklin Park Zoo.
I'm particularly enamored by all the "ground level" windows...more often than not one of the gorillas is sitting on the other side looking at all of us.
So who's on display there?
I'm particularly enamored by all the "ground level" windows...more often than not one of the gorillas is sitting on the other side looking at all of us.
So who's on display there?
Comment by Grumpymann on 08/05/2008 15:35:10
Good point. Hadn't thought that.
Grumpymann on 08/05/2008 15:35:10
Quote by BobR:
It seems if that was the case, then your neighbors would be having the same problem.
Good point. Hadn't thought that.
Comment by Raine on 08/05/2008 15:35:42
KO did a great segment about this last night... he pointed out the fact that the Energy department (on it's website), along with NASCAR and a few other places say to do this VERY thing.
He also pointed out this
For 25 Dollars... you can get an 89 Cent Tire guage!
Raine on 08/05/2008 15:35:42
Quote by BobR:
Regarding the story on the Republicans mocking Obama with the tire gauges: Why is it they are mocking the one part of the plan that involves personal responsibility? I thought the Republicans were all about personal responsibility?
KO did a great segment about this last night... he pointed out the fact that the Energy department (on it's website), along with NASCAR and a few other places say to do this VERY thing.
He also pointed out this
For 25 Dollars... you can get an 89 Cent Tire guage!
Comment by starling310 on 08/05/2008 15:36:09
I have mixed feelings about Zoos...I know they say that many of them are "saved" and may have died if they remain in the wild, but I don't know, it makes me sad...
They sure are beautiful to watch though.
starling310 on 08/05/2008 15:36:09
Quote by Raine:I love Gorillas. I was just reading a really tragic story in National Geographic about the murder of a family of Gorillas in Virunga, Congo... The pictures made me cry... the story is so damn sad. :cry:Quote by starling310:Quote by Raine:
Wow! Check this out! The coolest news of the day!!
They found about 125,000 Gorillas living in the Congo!!! :party:
The Congo, eh? That concerns me...do you think people will try to kill them?
In my next life, I want to be like Jane Goodall.
When we go to the zoo, I can watch those majestic creatures all day.
I have mixed feelings about Zoos...I know they say that many of them are "saved" and may have died if they remain in the wild, but I don't know, it makes me sad...
They sure are beautiful to watch though.
Comment by starling310 on 08/05/2008 15:37:00
starling310 on 08/05/2008 15:37:00
Quote by BobR:
Regarding the story on the Republicans mocking Obama with the tire gauges: Why is it they are mocking the one part of the plan that involves personal responsibility? I thought the Republicans were all about personal responsibility?
Comment by BobR on 08/05/2008 15:37:28
The Atlanta Zoo has an amazing silverback gorilla habitat as well. Actually, the zoo as whole is really good (that and the aquarium are the two things Atlanta can be really proud of). The only thing they really lack is bears...
BobR on 08/05/2008 15:37:28
Quote by TriSec:
Boston doesn't have a great zoo, but we do have an excellent gorilla house at the Franklin Park Zoo.
I'm particularly enamored by all the "ground level" windows...more often than not one of the gorillas is sitting on the other side looking at all of us.
So who's on display there?
The Atlanta Zoo has an amazing silverback gorilla habitat as well. Actually, the zoo as whole is really good (that and the aquarium are the two things Atlanta can be really proud of). The only thing they really lack is bears...
Comment by Raine on 08/05/2008 15:38:36
Raine on 08/05/2008 15:38:36
:star: it depends on the Zoo... ZooAtlanta does serious research and provides a wonderful habitat for the animals.
Comment by starling310 on 08/05/2008 15:39:24
starling310 on 08/05/2008 15:39:24
The Bronx Zoo:
My ex-lady friend and I watched this one for about an hour. So awesome!
My ex-lady friend and I watched this one for about an hour. So awesome!
Comment by starling310 on 08/05/2008 15:40:14
That's why my feelings are mixed. Like I said, I know some of the animals may be better off in a zoo.
I remember hearing about
starling310 on 08/05/2008 15:40:14
Quote by Raine:
:star: it depends on the Zoo... ZooAtlanta does serious research and provides a wonderful habitat for the animals.
That's why my feelings are mixed. Like I said, I know some of the animals may be better off in a zoo.
I remember hearing about
Comment by livingonli on 08/05/2008 15:41:05
Just remember, Stephen Colbert is afraid of the bears.
livingonli on 08/05/2008 15:41:05
Quote by BobR:Quote by TriSec:
Boston doesn't have a great zoo, but we do have an excellent gorilla house at the Franklin Park Zoo.
I'm particularly enamored by all the "ground level" windows...more often than not one of the gorillas is sitting on the other side looking at all of us.
So who's on display there?
The Atlanta Zoo has an amazing silverback gorilla habitat as well. Actually, the zoo as whole is really good (that and the aquarium are the two things Atlanta can be really proud of). The only thing they really lack is bears...
Just remember, Stephen Colbert is afraid of the bears.
Comment by starling310 on 08/05/2008 15:41:24
starling310 on 08/05/2008 15:41:24
A momma and her baby:
Comment by wickedpam on 08/05/2008 15:41:27
wickedpam on 08/05/2008 15:41:27
When will they lose the urge to purge? And who get's the scrunchie?
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 15:43:49
I wish we would preserve what we have in nature. It is truly a treasure of more value than gold or oil.
capt on 08/05/2008 15:43:49
Quote by Raine:
Wow! Check this out! The coolest news of the day!!
They found about 125,000 Gorillas living in the Congo!!! :party:
I would feel more optimistic about a bright future for man if he spent less time proving that he can outwit Nature and more time tasting her sweetness and respecting her seniority.
~ E. B. White (1899 - 1985)
I wish we would preserve what we have in nature. It is truly a treasure of more value than gold or oil.
Comment by m-hadley on 08/05/2008 15:45:48
Definitely Kevin in DC - he really works my last nerve
Cheers,
mfaye
m-hadley on 08/05/2008 15:45:48
Quote by livingonli:Quote by Raine:
BUDDY... Slowly I turned....
:D
But, who do you think is really the most annoying caller? Jake? Kevin in DC?
Definitely Kevin in DC - he really works my last nerve
Cheers,
mfaye
Comment by BobR on 08/05/2008 15:46:31
Here's some info that might be helpful... as well as some other info you should know.
BobR on 08/05/2008 15:46:31
Quote by Grumpymann:
Good point. Hadn't thought that.
Here's some info that might be helpful... as well as some other info you should know.
Comment by TriSec on 08/05/2008 15:48:15
TriSec on 08/05/2008 15:48:15
Ah, the South has one advantage over the northern tier on the zoo front.
It's much easier to house animals that are from warmer climates....the poor things up here only get a couple of months outdoors, then they have to spent the winter inside somewhere warm.
It's much easier to house animals that are from warmer climates....the poor things up here only get a couple of months outdoors, then they have to spent the winter inside somewhere warm.
Comment by Raine on 08/05/2008 15:48:46
Did you have a senior moment??
I agree with you about zoos, tho... I am mixed myself. There are some Zoos out there that are just cruel to the animals. I think it is important for Zoos to be research facilities to help protect animals in the wild. But I understand , I do. The history of ZooAtlanta is pretty crappy, from what I have been learning... Now they are world renowned for their gorillas and Orangutans. The idea is to one day be able to get many of the creatures OFF the endangered species lists.
But to sit and have the gorillas watch and us watching back... it is amazing. One of the momma's down here is a real pip. She has twins, and she is really funny. She never let's them get very far.
Man... I want to go back to the Zoo... Maybe I will go to the Bronx zoo next week.
Raine on 08/05/2008 15:48:46
Quote by starling310:Quote by Raine:
:star: it depends on the Zoo... ZooAtlanta does serious research and provides a wonderful habitat for the animals.
That's why my feelings are mixed. Like I said, I know some of the animals may be better off in a zoo.
I remember hearing about
I agree with you about zoos, tho... I am mixed myself. There are some Zoos out there that are just cruel to the animals. I think it is important for Zoos to be research facilities to help protect animals in the wild. But I understand , I do. The history of ZooAtlanta is pretty crappy, from what I have been learning... Now they are world renowned for their gorillas and Orangutans. The idea is to one day be able to get many of the creatures OFF the endangered species lists.
But to sit and have the gorillas watch and us watching back... it is amazing. One of the momma's down here is a real pip. She has twins, and she is really funny. She never let's them get very far.
Man... I want to go back to the Zoo... Maybe I will go to the Bronx zoo next week.
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 15:48:54
capt on 08/05/2008 15:48:54
New Bob Woodward book coming Sept. 8 - may contain bombshells
Interesting, I wonder what it will have in it.
Interesting, I wonder what it will have in it.
Comment by BobR on 08/05/2008 15:52:18
Of course - that means we can't have polar bears and penguins...
BobR on 08/05/2008 15:52:18
Quote by TriSec:
Ah, the South has one advantage over the northern tier on the zoo front.
It's much easier to house animals that are from warmer climates....the poor things up here only get a couple of months outdoors, then they have to spent the winter inside somewhere warm.
Of course - that means we can't have polar bears and penguins...
Comment by Raine on 08/05/2008 15:52:46
I think that is why we don't have bears.
BTW... The panda in ZooAtlanta might be pregnant again! Let the PandaCam watch begin!
Raine on 08/05/2008 15:52:46
Quote by TriSec:
Ah, the South has one advantage over the northern tier on the zoo front.
It's much easier to house animals that are from warmer climates....the poor things up here only get a couple of months outdoors, then they have to spent the winter inside somewhere warm.
BTW... The panda in ZooAtlanta might be pregnant again! Let the PandaCam watch begin!
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 15:53:45
capt on 08/05/2008 15:53:45
Zoo and zookeeping can be an art and the good ones are great for the animals and the human experience. Some animals are so threatened that we need zoo populations.
All animals - large and small are part of the big picture. I think we are just primates with car-keys and a bad attitude.
All animals - large and small are part of the big picture. I think we are just primates with car-keys and a bad attitude.
Comment by Raine on 08/05/2008 15:54:17
Raine on 08/05/2008 15:54:17
We have penguins in the Aquarium tho... And Sea otters. I LOVE otters. They are some of the coolest animals on the planet!
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 15:55:01
We have polar bears in our zoo in New Mexico!
Neener neener! (but alas no penguins)
capt on 08/05/2008 15:55:01
Of course - that means we can't have polar bears and penguins...
We have polar bears in our zoo in New Mexico!
Neener neener! (but alas no penguins)
Comment by Raine on 08/05/2008 15:55:31
Raine on 08/05/2008 15:55:31
True Dat capt!
We are just players on a stage!
We are just players on a stage!
Comment by starling310 on 08/05/2008 15:55:37
starling310 on 08/05/2008 15:55:37
OH PLEASE! 5 WEEKS WON'T SOLVE THE PROBLEM! THIS PROBLEM HAS EXISTED FOR YEARS AND NO ONE HAS DONE ANYTHING ABOUT IT!
Comment by Raine on 08/05/2008 15:56:37
Raine on 08/05/2008 15:56:37
Shane-O !!! Bringing the Electric Slide!
Comment by Grumpymann on 08/05/2008 15:59:18
I took a look at the Ask page and I looked into the most of that stuff already.
I'll look at the other page when I get the chace thanks Bob. Hope this hepls.
I'm off I got stuff....
See you all later.
Grumpymann on 08/05/2008 15:59:18
Quote by BobR:Quote by Grumpymann:
Good point. Hadn't thought that.
Here's some info that might be helpful... as well as some other info you should know.
I took a look at the Ask page and I looked into the most of that stuff already.
I'll look at the other page when I get the chace thanks Bob. Hope this hepls.
I'm off I got stuff....
See you all later.
Comment by starling310 on 08/05/2008 15:59:26
starling310 on 08/05/2008 15:59:26
:: straps on thinking cap ::
:: notebook and pen ready to go ::
Set for Thom!
:: notebook and pen ready to go ::
Set for Thom!
Comment by BobR on 08/05/2008 16:01:59
BobR on 08/05/2008 16:01:59
I was in Memphis years ago and their zoo has a "night" house where it's dark during the day (and artificially light at night when the zoo is closed). You walk through a glass tunnel and have bats flying over your head...
Comment by starling310 on 08/05/2008 16:05:09
starling310 on 08/05/2008 16:05:09
Hey Bobber. :nerd:
Good news for me, bad news for you.
It seems my friend was able to fix my laptop. There were some bad sectors on the hard drive, but he salvaged the data and we're going to upgrade the H/D, which I had wanted to do anyway...250GB baby! Zoom.Zoom.
Sorry...no laptop for you today.
:star: ------>
<--------- : bad sectors :
:star: ------> <----------- :star:'s IT geek friend
Good news for me, bad news for you.
It seems my friend was able to fix my laptop. There were some bad sectors on the hard drive, but he salvaged the data and we're going to upgrade the H/D, which I had wanted to do anyway...250GB baby! Zoom.Zoom.
Sorry...no laptop for you today.
:star: ------>
<--------- : bad sectors ::star: ------>
<----------- :star:'s IT geek friend
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 16:05:49
Don't need a glass tunnel for that! I have bats in my belfry from day one!
capt on 08/05/2008 16:05:49
Quote by BobR:
I was in Memphis years ago and their zoo has a "night" house where it's dark during the day (and artificially light at night when the zoo is closed). You walk through a glass tunnel and have bats flying over your head...
Don't need a glass tunnel for that! I have bats in my belfry from day one!
Comment by 
liam1965 on 08/05/2008 16:07:55
liam1965 on 08/05/2008 16:07:55
Wonderful news for me this morning: On top of all of the stress and depression I've been going through for the last ... interminable period... the stress appears to have triggered another round of shingles.
Sigh.
Sigh.
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 16:08:46
capt on 08/05/2008 16:08:46
Kerry: McCain is 'dangerous' for the country
Who is the Kerry guy? I think I like him, where has he been?
Who is the Kerry guy? I think I like him, where has he been?
Comment by Raine on 08/05/2008 16:09:46
Raine on 08/05/2008 16:09:46
:( aww damn Liam...
Comment by Raine on 08/05/2008 16:12:36
Raine on 08/05/2008 16:12:36
School the TOOL , Thom!
Comment by Raine on 08/05/2008 16:13:56
Raine on 08/05/2008 16:13:56
Oh mah gawd.. these deniers get my blood pressure going...
And when THOM yells, I know it isn't just me. I hate the LIARS more than the spinny wingers.
And when THOM yells, I know it isn't just me. I hate the LIARS more than the spinny wingers.
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 16:14:26
capt on 08/05/2008 16:14:26
Obama: McCain's Not Running A Campaign To Be Proud Of
If he stays on the issues we win. Period.
The harsh rebuke of the McCain campaign's tone and tenor comes amidst growing calls for the presumptive Democratic nominee to lash back. And it is a traditional Obama counterpunch: positioning himself above the fray while painting his opponent as trivial.
Indeed, earlier in the speech Obama offered a riff about the now-infamous Britney Spears/Paris Hilton attack ad -- a line he has used before.
"That's his idea of a really relevant campaign," said the Illinois Democrat. "But I don't have time to deal with that mess because America is facing some serious problems, some serious challenges."
If he stays on the issues we win. Period.
Comment by Raine on 08/05/2008 16:15:45
Raine on 08/05/2008 16:15:45
NO... meteorologists = Counselors...
Climatologists = Psychiatrists.
Climatologists = Psychiatrists.
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 16:16:23
capt on 08/05/2008 16:16:23
The deniers are flat earthers, ID'ers - kooks, crooks and sellouts to the oil companies.
If they are serious they are not smart. I don't think they are serious.
If they are serious they are not smart. I don't think they are serious.
Comment by starling310 on 08/05/2008 16:16:23
It's true. Making Thom yell is not easy. . . unless your a LIAR.
: pacino : Your pants are on FIRE!
starling310 on 08/05/2008 16:16:23
Quote by Raine:
Oh mah gawd.. these deniers get my blood pressure going...
And when THOM yells, I know it isn't just me. I hate the LIARS more than the spinny wingers.
It's true. Making Thom yell is not easy. . . unless your a LIAR.
: pacino : Your pants are on FIRE!
Comment by wickedpam on 08/05/2008 16:16:46
wickedpam on 08/05/2008 16:16:46
Liam - :hug:
Comment by BobR on 08/05/2008 16:17:51
On the contrary, good news for you is good news for me... :hug:
BobR on 08/05/2008 16:17:51
Quote by starling310:
Hey Bobber. :nerd:
Good news for me, bad news for you.
It seems my friend was able to fix my laptop. There were some bad sectors on the hard drive, but he salvaged the data and we're going to upgrade the H/D, which I had wanted to do anyway...250GB baby! Zoom.Zoom.
Sorry...no laptop for you today.
:star: ------>
:star: ------>
On the contrary, good news for you is good news for me... :hug:
Comment by Raine on 08/05/2008 16:19:45
Bye Grump! Come back again soon! I miss you!
Raine on 08/05/2008 16:19:45
Quote by Grumpymann:
I'm off I got stuff....
See you all later.
Come back again soon! I miss you!
Comment by starling310 on 08/05/2008 16:19:51
starling310 on 08/05/2008 16:19:51
Would you guys visit a family member, that you aren't close with, in the hospital?
We're talking Great Uncle...nice guy, but I pretty much see him at weddings and funerals.
disclaimer: if I were in the hospital, I would only want close friends and immediate family to come and see me.
What is this inclination we have to pile as many people as possible into a Hospital Room?
We're talking Great Uncle...nice guy, but I pretty much see him at weddings and funerals.
disclaimer: if I were in the hospital, I would only want close friends and immediate family to come and see me.
What is this inclination we have to pile as many people as possible into a Hospital Room?
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 16:20:33
capt on 08/05/2008 16:20:33
Thom still sets a standard for being calm, staying on the point and being too kind and polite to all his guests and callers.
I'd be so bad, about the time that guy starts with the lies - I'd be "click" (dialtone) NEXT!
I'd be so bad, about the time that guy starts with the lies - I'd be "click" (dialtone) NEXT!
Comment by starling310 on 08/05/2008 16:22:13
:nerd: -----> <-------- :star:
starling310 on 08/05/2008 16:22:13
Quote by BobR:Quote by starling310:
Hey Bobber. :nerd:
Good news for me, bad news for you.
It seems my friend was able to fix my laptop. There were some bad sectors on the hard drive, but he salvaged the data and we're going to upgrade the H/D, which I had wanted to do anyway...250GB baby! Zoom.Zoom.
Sorry...no laptop for you today.
:star: ------>
:star: ------>
On the contrary, good news for you is good news for me... :hug:
:nerd: ----->
<-------- :star:
Comment by liam1965 on 08/05/2008 16:23:40
For what it's worth, I'm also a non-smoker.
liam1965 on 08/05/2008 16:23:40
Quote by livingonli:
Does this make me the odd duck being the nonsmoker in the group? My father smoked two packs a day and the damn things were what killed him.
For what it's worth, I'm also a non-smoker.
Comment by liam1965 on 08/05/2008 16:24:36
liam1965 on 08/05/2008 16:24:36
(still slowly making it through the morning's chat, I just can't concentrate enough to do anything productive )
)
Comment by Raine on 08/05/2008 16:24:54
Raine on 08/05/2008 16:24:54
:star: I would not. A hospital is a place for healing...
Then again.. this is a discussion debated HOTLY in my family. My mom doesn't understand that I try to balance the illness with the person and the degree of sickness.
For me it goes beyong my aversion of hospitals... When I am sick, I don't want to be social. On the other hand... When my Oma was in the hospital, having her grandkids around her cheered her up alot. But that is my Oma... not a distant Uncle.
I sense a contemplation with you my dear. I would make a phone call, tell him your thoughts are with him. Get a sense of his state and then decide.
Then again.. this is a discussion debated HOTLY in my family. My mom doesn't understand that I try to balance the illness with the person and the degree of sickness.
For me it goes beyong my aversion of hospitals... When I am sick, I don't want to be social. On the other hand... When my Oma was in the hospital, having her grandkids around her cheered her up alot. But that is my Oma... not a distant Uncle.
I sense a contemplation with you my dear. I would make a phone call, tell him your thoughts are with him. Get a sense of his state and then decide.
Comment by Raine on 08/05/2008 16:26:32
Raine on 08/05/2008 16:26:32
I love Thom. What a class act. Truly classy.
Comment by liam1965 on 08/05/2008 16:28:30
Try building a faraday cage around your entire apartment, keep the bad signal out and the good signal in?
Probably not feasible, but that's me, king of the useless idea that would work, if only it were feasible.
liam1965 on 08/05/2008 16:28:30
Quote by Grumpymann:
My Wireless router-e (Or my computers BOTH them) keeps dropping the signal. I have to keep disable and re-enable the wireless feature on the boxes.
It keeps getting worse until I change the channel on the router.
Works well for a while the it happens again.
I tried to get the people in the building together so we could all use a diffrent channel but they either don't want to listen to me or avoid me.
Any help?
Try building a faraday cage around your entire apartment, keep the bad signal out and the good signal in?
Probably not feasible, but that's me, king of the useless idea that would work, if only it were feasible.
Comment by starling310 on 08/05/2008 16:38:24
Yes, it's a hot topic in my family as well.
My mother believes strongly in maintaining a strong connection with ALL of my Dad's family; "the aunts", etc.
However, I never really had a connection with them to begin with.
My friends have been more my family my entire life.
And, yes, the hospital thing. . . .when my "Oma" was in the hospital I was there everyday, holding her hand, reading to her, etc. But, we knew she was going to die. Period. And, that was my Grammy! Very different.
My Mom has to visit everyone. Has to go to wakes for people she barely knew. And, wants me to do the same. My mom is lovely and she does all of this with a genuine heart. We just have a different philosophy. Some things are better left to those closest to that person. And, sometimes it's okay to just send a card, or make a phone call.
When my brother died there was a 5 hour line of people....and, it was really amazing....but, all of those people really knew him. He was young, so that makes it different I guess.
I don't know...I'm rambling.
starling310 on 08/05/2008 16:38:24
Quote by Raine:
:star: I would not. A hospital is a place for healing...
Then again.. this is a discussion debated HOTLY in my family. My mom doesn't understand that I try to balance the illness with the person and the degree of sickness.
For me it goes beyong my aversion of hospitals... When I am sick, I don't want to be social. On the other hand... When my Oma was in the hospital, having her grandkids around her cheered her up alot. But that is my Oma... not a distant Uncle.
I sense a contemplation with you my dear. I would make a phone call, tell him your thoughts are with him. Get a sense of his state and then decide.
Yes, it's a hot topic in my family as well.
My mother believes strongly in maintaining a strong connection with ALL of my Dad's family; "the aunts", etc.
However, I never really had a connection with them to begin with.
My friends have been more my family my entire life.
And, yes, the hospital thing. . . .when my "Oma" was in the hospital I was there everyday, holding her hand, reading to her, etc. But, we knew she was going to die. Period. And, that was my Grammy! Very different.
My Mom has to visit everyone. Has to go to wakes for people she barely knew. And, wants me to do the same. My mom is lovely and she does all of this with a genuine heart. We just have a different philosophy. Some things are better left to those closest to that person. And, sometimes it's okay to just send a card, or make a phone call.
When my brother died there was a 5 hour line of people....and, it was really amazing....but, all of those people really knew him. He was young, so that makes it different I guess.
I don't know...I'm rambling.
Comment by liam1965 on 08/05/2008 16:38:42
Because when you live your life completely safely, you don't actually live any longer, it just SEEMS like it.
liam1965 on 08/05/2008 16:38:42
Quote by capt:
Why do people do unhealthy things?
Because when you live your life completely safely, you don't actually live any longer, it just SEEMS like it.
Comment by wickedpam on 08/05/2008 16:40:10
Unless your mother is making you go - send a card
wickedpam on 08/05/2008 16:40:10
Quote by starling310:
Would you guys visit a family member, that you aren't close with, in the hospital?
We're talking Great Uncle...nice guy, but I pretty much see him at weddings and funerals.
disclaimer: if I were in the hospital, I would only want close friends and immediate family to come and see me.
What is this inclination we have to pile as many people as possible into a Hospital Room?
Unless your mother is making you go - send a card
Comment by starling310 on 08/05/2008 16:41:47
That's just it Mala. At what age does my mother stop "making" me do anything?
It's Catholic Guilt! Blech.
starling310 on 08/05/2008 16:41:47
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by starling310:
Would you guys visit a family member, that you aren't close with, in the hospital?
We're talking Great Uncle...nice guy, but I pretty much see him at weddings and funerals.
disclaimer: if I were in the hospital, I would only want close friends and immediate family to come and see me.
What is this inclination we have to pile as many people as possible into a Hospital Room?
Unless your mother is making you go - send a card
That's just it Mala. At what age does my mother stop "making" me do anything?
It's Catholic Guilt! Blech.
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 16:42:05
capt on 08/05/2008 16:42:05
Comment by starling310 on 08/05/2008 16:43:00
The Buddhists believe the healthiest thing for a long life is getting enough sleep; true restful sleep.
It's not celery.
Or running.
Or water.
Sleep.
starling310 on 08/05/2008 16:43:00
Quote by liam1965:Quote by capt:
Why do people do unhealthy things?
Because when you live your life completely safely, you don't actually live any longer, it just SEEMS like it.
The Buddhists believe the healthiest thing for a long life is getting enough sleep; true restful sleep.
It's not celery.
Or running.
Or water.
Sleep.
Comment by wickedpam on 08/05/2008 16:46:25
Never - I'm 42 and my mother still guilts me into doing stuff. And I'm not Catholic so there's no blaming that.
wickedpam on 08/05/2008 16:46:25
Quote by starling310:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by starling310:
Would you guys visit a family member, that you aren't close with, in the hospital?
We're talking Great Uncle...nice guy, but I pretty much see him at weddings and funerals.
disclaimer: if I were in the hospital, I would only want close friends and immediate family to come and see me.
What is this inclination we have to pile as many people as possible into a Hospital Room?
Unless your mother is making you go - send a card
That's just it Mala. At what age does my mother stop "making" me do anything?
It's Catholic Guilt! Blech.
Never - I'm 42 and my mother still guilts me into doing stuff. And I'm not Catholic so there's no blaming that.
Comment by Raine on 08/05/2008 16:49:37
Raine on 08/05/2008 16:49:37
Man... McCAin at Sturgis Last night...
But WAIT there IS more...
From the AP...
"Tell em' to come back and get to work," McCain said, yelling into the microphone. "When I'm president of the United States, I'm not going to let them go on vacation. They're gonna become energy independent."
His wife, Cindy, also paid tribute to the crowd, saying: "I'd like to thank all of you for your support of our troops, and here's why: I'm many things in my life, and one thing I'd like to be is your first lady. But more importantly, I'm Jack McCain's mother and Jimmy McCain's mother, one in the U.S. Navy and another one in the Marine Corps, an Iraqi vet."
Taking back the microphone, McCain joked that he wanted her to enter the beauty contest held at the site, the Buffalo Chip campground on the edge of the site.
Comment by livingonli on 08/05/2008 16:56:33
livingonli on 08/05/2008 16:56:33
Liam!
I step away from the computer and everything seems to happen.
I step away from the computer and everything seems to happen.
Comment by wickedpam on 08/05/2008 16:56:46
wickedpam on 08/05/2008 16:56:46
eww...
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 16:57:33
capt on 08/05/2008 16:57:33
I think I would decide whether I would be at peace with myself if I didn't visit someone - if not I would visit.
Who cares what anybody else thinks if you cannot choose to be at peace?
Who cares what anybody else thinks if you cannot choose to be at peace?
First keep the peace within yourself, then you can also bring peace to others.
~ Thomas a Kempis (1380 - 1471), 1420
Comment by Raine on 08/05/2008 16:58:30
Once again, are you SURE your Mom isn't related to mine? I feel the very same way.
My mom may never understand that who she is close to sometimes are not the same people I am close to. I have tried and tried to explain this to her, to no resolution. I have finally accepted that we are just different people. And she. FINALLY knows that I don't go to hospitals unless the patient wants me to go. As a grownup (well in some circles I am --REALLY
), I have a good idea when it's a good time to go and when it is not. I think that mom's , understandably (they are our Mommies!), forget that their little girls grow up and develop that sense for themeselves.
Raine on 08/05/2008 16:58:30
Quote by starling310:
Yes, it's a hot topic in my family as well.
My mother believes strongly in maintaining a strong connection with ALL of my Dad's family; "the aunts", etc.
However, I never really had a connection with them to begin with.
My friends have been more my family my entire life.
And, yes, the hospital thing. . . .when my "Oma" was in the hospital I was there everyday, holding her hand, reading to her, etc. But, we knew she was going to die. Period. And, that was my Grammy! Very different.
My Mom has to visit everyone. Has to go to wakes for people she barely knew. And, wants me to do the same. My mom is lovely and she does all of this with a genuine heart. We just have a different philosophy. Some things are better left to those closest to that person. And, sometimes it's okay to just send a card, or make a phone call.
When my brother died there was a 5 hour line of people....and, it was really amazing....but, all of those people really knew him. He was young, so that makes it different I guess.
I don't know...I'm rambling.
My mom may never understand that who she is close to sometimes are not the same people I am close to. I have tried and tried to explain this to her, to no resolution. I have finally accepted that we are just different people. And she. FINALLY knows that I don't go to hospitals unless the patient wants me to go. As a grownup (well in some circles I am --REALLY
), I have a good idea when it's a good time to go and when it is not. I think that mom's , understandably (they are our Mommies!), forget that their little girls grow up and develop that sense for themeselves.
Comment by starling310 on 08/05/2008 16:59:12
Honestly, I have been working hard to break the trend; not living and acting based on guilt. It's not easy. But, I've come a long way!
starling310 on 08/05/2008 16:59:12
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by starling310:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by starling310:
Would you guys visit a family member, that you aren't close with, in the hospital?
We're talking Great Uncle...nice guy, but I pretty much see him at weddings and funerals.
disclaimer: if I were in the hospital, I would only want close friends and immediate family to come and see me.
What is this inclination we have to pile as many people as possible into a Hospital Room?
Unless your mother is making you go - send a card
That's just it Mala. At what age does my mother stop "making" me do anything?
It's Catholic Guilt! Blech.
Never - I'm 42 and my mother still guilts me into doing stuff. And I'm not Catholic so there's no blaming that.
Honestly, I have been working hard to break the trend; not living and acting based on guilt. It's not easy. But, I've come a long way!
Comment by Raine on 08/05/2008 17:00:32
Tell me about it. Can you imagine if Obama went to that rally??? Can you imagine the press coverage and how it would have been spun?
Raine on 08/05/2008 17:00:32
Quote by wickedpam:
eww...
Tell me about it. Can you imagine if Obama went to that rally??? Can you imagine the press coverage and how it would have been spun?
Comment by livingonli on 08/05/2008 17:00:39
This from the Senator who has missed more votes than any other Senator excluding those who were MIA because of illness.
livingonli on 08/05/2008 17:00:39
Quote by Raine:
Man... McCAin at Sturgis Last night...But WAIT there IS more...
"Tell em' to come back and get to work," McCain said, yelling into the microphone. "When I'm president of the United States, I'm not going to let them go on vacation. They're gonna become energy independent."From the AP...
His wife, Cindy, also paid tribute to the crowd, saying: "I'd like to thank all of you for your support of our troops, and here's why: I'm many things in my life, and one thing I'd like to be is your first lady. But more importantly, I'm Jack McCain's mother and Jimmy McCain's mother, one in the U.S. Navy and another one in the Marine Corps, an Iraqi vet."
Taking back the microphone, McCain joked that he wanted her to enter the beauty contest held at the site, the Buffalo Chip campground on the edge of the site.
This from the Senator who has missed more votes than any other Senator excluding those who were MIA because of illness.
Comment by Raine on 08/05/2008 17:05:25
Raine on 08/05/2008 17:05:25
Btw...
:birthday:HAPPY BIRTHDAY LIZZ WINSTEAD!! :birthday::dance:
With love from your fellow LIZZbian!!
:birthday:HAPPY BIRTHDAY LIZZ WINSTEAD!! :birthday::dance: With love from your fellow LIZZbian!!
Comment by starling310 on 08/05/2008 17:09:24
Right.
It's hard growin' up!
Maybe our Moms are related? Maybe they are long lost sisters and we are, in fact, cousins, instead of twins, seperated at birth! :scratchhead:
My Mom and I had some heated debates about the Annual Mass, among other things, for your dead loved ones.
For 2 years after my brother died, I went to the "Annual Mass." I did it for Mom...my Brother didn't go to church and he wouldn't want me sitting in church "for him." But, I knew it was important to her. But then came year 3, when I said "Ya know Mom...I can celebrate Ray in my own way. I think of him every time I watch the Red Sox, or play a game of Pool. I don't need to go to church for him."
Holy Crikey! The Heavens opened! The Thunder and lightning came down!
It was not good.
But, now she is starting to get it.
She does still like to lay the guilt on. For example she will tell me that "everyone was asking about me" at some family picnic, or whatever. Yes, Mom...people ask how your kids are to be polite.
But, the truth is these people were never there for me. They are distantly ( 2nd and 3rd generation ) related to me by blood and they adored my Grandmother. That's it. There is no connection, other than biological. ( I am talking about distant family here. Obvs, my Mom and Dad and Nephew and Cousins are different. )
My friends, on the other hand. I would take a bullet for any one of them. And, they would for me. They've been for me. I've been there for them. They are my family and if one of them had so much as a HANGNAIL I would go and visit!
starling310 on 08/05/2008 17:09:24
Quote by Raine:Once again, are you SURE your Mom isn't related to mine? I feel the very same way.Quote by starling310:
Yes, it's a hot topic in my family as well.
My mother believes strongly in maintaining a strong connection with ALL of my Dad's family; "the aunts", etc.
However, I never really had a connection with them to begin with.
My friends have been more my family my entire life.
And, yes, the hospital thing. . . .when my "Oma" was in the hospital I was there everyday, holding her hand, reading to her, etc. But, we knew she was going to die. Period. And, that was my Grammy! Very different.
My Mom has to visit everyone. Has to go to wakes for people she barely knew. And, wants me to do the same. My mom is lovely and she does all of this with a genuine heart. We just have a different philosophy. Some things are better left to those closest to that person. And, sometimes it's okay to just send a card, or make a phone call.
When my brother died there was a 5 hour line of people....and, it was really amazing....but, all of those people really knew him. He was young, so that makes it different I guess.
I don't know...I'm rambling.
My mom may never understand that who she is close to sometimes are not the same people I am close to. I have tried and tried to explain this to her, to no resolution. I have finally accepted that we are just different people. And she. FINALLY knows that I don't go to hospitals unless the patient wants me to go. As a grownup (well in some circles I am --REALLY
Right.
It's hard growin' up!
Maybe our Moms are related? Maybe they are long lost sisters and we are, in fact, cousins, instead of twins, seperated at birth! :scratchhead:
My Mom and I had some heated debates about the Annual Mass, among other things, for your dead loved ones.
For 2 years after my brother died, I went to the "Annual Mass." I did it for Mom...my Brother didn't go to church and he wouldn't want me sitting in church "for him." But, I knew it was important to her. But then came year 3, when I said "Ya know Mom...I can celebrate Ray in my own way. I think of him every time I watch the Red Sox, or play a game of Pool. I don't need to go to church for him."
Holy Crikey! The Heavens opened! The Thunder and lightning came down!
It was not good.
But, now she is starting to get it.
She does still like to lay the guilt on. For example she will tell me that "everyone was asking about me" at some family picnic, or whatever. Yes, Mom...people ask how your kids are to be polite.
But, the truth is these people were never there for me. They are distantly ( 2nd and 3rd generation ) related to me by blood and they adored my Grandmother. That's it. There is no connection, other than biological. ( I am talking about distant family here. Obvs, my Mom and Dad and Nephew and Cousins are different. )
My friends, on the other hand. I would take a bullet for any one of them. And, they would for me. They've been for me. I've been there for them. They are my family and if one of them had so much as a HANGNAIL I would go and visit!
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 17:10:49
capt on 08/05/2008 17:10:49
A good leader wants the best for the people not the minimum.
Comment by starling310 on 08/05/2008 17:12:01
I am at peace with it.
I'm good to many people.
It's having that old school Irish-Italian Catholic family that makes ya feel like a scumbag.
But, when I really think about it, I'm a good person; hospital visits or not!
Truth be told, I am better to animals than humans though.
starling310 on 08/05/2008 17:12:01
Quote by capt:
I think I would decide whether I would be at peace with myself if I didn't visit someone - if not I would visit.
Who cares what anybody else thinks if you cannot choose to be at peace?First keep the peace within yourself, then you can also bring peace to others.
~ Thomas a Kempis (1380 - 1471), 1420
I am at peace with it.
I'm good to many people.
It's having that old school Irish-Italian Catholic family that makes ya feel like a scumbag.
But, when I really think about it, I'm a good person; hospital visits or not!
Truth be told, I am better to animals than humans though.
Comment by Raine on 08/05/2008 17:12:37
Raine on 08/05/2008 17:12:37
And now for something completely Different... My friend norn posted this on my face crack, and I must share:
"how do you love it?"
"how do you love it?"
Comment by livingonli on 08/05/2008 17:13:16
It's a busy week for birthdays.
livingonli on 08/05/2008 17:13:16
Quote by Raine:
Btw...
With love from your fellow LIZZbian!!
It's a busy week for birthdays.
Comment by starling310 on 08/05/2008 17:15:30
starling310 on 08/05/2008 17:15:30
Incidentally, my German friend thinks many things Americans do for the sick or dead are very odd. She doesn't understand wakes at all! Her Oma told her "Live for the living." In other words, when someone dies, be there for the family, when they actually need it...meaning after the crowds ( wake, funeral ) have gone.
I totally agree!
Those Germans. So smart!
I totally agree!
Those Germans. So smart!
Comment by starling310 on 08/05/2008 17:15:53
HI STAN!
starling310 on 08/05/2008 17:15:53
HI STAN!
Comment by starling310 on 08/05/2008 17:17:18
starling310 on 08/05/2008 17:17:18
Thom sounds a bit defeated today.
Comment by starling310 on 08/05/2008 17:20:21
starling310 on 08/05/2008 17:20:21
He has that exasperated "Why is everyone so dumb" tone?
Comment by wickedpam on 08/05/2008 17:20:53
:spit:
Groovy baby groovy
wickedpam on 08/05/2008 17:20:53
Quote by Raine:
And now for something completely Different... My friend norn posted this on my face crack, and I must share:
"how do you love it?"
:spit:
Groovy baby groovy
Comment by starling310 on 08/05/2008 17:21:36
starling310 on 08/05/2008 17:21:36
:: bounty 2 ply ::
:: wipes up muse ::
:sprint:
:: wipes up muse ::
:sprint:
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 17:21:37
I totally agree. Life is for the living. Dead bodies start to stink up the place faster than visiting relatives.
Speaking of visiting relatives, I haven't seen my sister in years. She just emailed yesterday that she, her hubby and two of the kids (now adults) are coming on Sunday! (yikes)
capt on 08/05/2008 17:21:37
Quote by starling310:
Incidentally, my German friend thinks many things Americans do for the sick or dead are very odd. She doesn't understand wakes at all! Her Oma told her "Live for the living." In other words, when someone dies, be there for the family, when they actually need it...meaning after the crowds ( wake, funeral ) have gone.
I totally agree!
Those Germans. So smart!
I totally agree. Life is for the living. Dead bodies start to stink up the place faster than visiting relatives.
Speaking of visiting relatives, I haven't seen my sister in years. She just emailed yesterday that she, her hubby and two of the kids (now adults) are coming on Sunday! (yikes)
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 17:23:59
Wowser! Gave me happy feet!
capt on 08/05/2008 17:23:59
"how do you love it?"
Wowser! Gave me happy feet!
Comment by starling310 on 08/05/2008 17:24:23
:clap:
Capt, as someone who lost my only sibling way too early in life, I say if you can have a good sibling relationship, then do it!
"What do fish and guests have in common? They both start to stink up your house after 2 days!"
starling310 on 08/05/2008 17:24:23
Quote by capt:Quote by starling310:
Incidentally, my German friend thinks many things Americans do for the sick or dead are very odd. She doesn't understand wakes at all! Her Oma told her "Live for the living." In other words, when someone dies, be there for the family, when they actually need it...meaning after the crowds ( wake, funeral ) have gone.
I totally agree!
Those Germans. So smart!
I totally agree. Life is for the living. Dead bodies start to stink up the place faster than visiting relatives.
Speaking of visiting relatives, I haven't seen my sister in years. She just emailed yesterday that she, her hubby and two of the kids (now adults) are coming on Sunday! (yikes)
:clap:
Capt, as someone who lost my only sibling way too early in life, I say if you can have a good sibling relationship, then do it!
"What do fish and guests have in common? They both start to stink up your house after 2 days!"
Comment by Raine on 08/05/2008 17:27:47
Raine on 08/05/2008 17:27:47
:star: I think I am gonna have a hangnail in October....
:hug:
:hug:
Comment by livingonli on 08/05/2008 17:27:49
I have that all the time.
livingonli on 08/05/2008 17:27:49
Quote by starling310:
He has that exasperated "Why is everyone so dumb" tone?
I have that all the time.
Comment by starling310 on 08/05/2008 17:28:31
Hello! Expedia? I need a flight to Atlanta. . . .
starling310 on 08/05/2008 17:28:31
Quote by Raine:
:star: I think I am gonna have a hangnail in October....
:hug:
Hello! Expedia? I need a flight to Atlanta. . . .
Comment by Raine on 08/05/2008 17:30:00
I second that emticon!!!
Hi Stan!!!
Raine on 08/05/2008 17:30:00
Quote by starling310:
Hi Stan!!!
Comment by wickedpam on 08/05/2008 17:31:54
Is it's in Oct then make sure to stop by my place for the Halloween decorations :p
wickedpam on 08/05/2008 17:31:54
Quote by starling310:Quote by Raine:
:star: I think I am gonna have a hangnail in October....
:hug:
Hello! Expedia? I need a flight to Atlanta. . . .
Is it's in Oct then make sure to stop by my place for the Halloween decorations :p
Comment by starling310 on 08/05/2008 17:33:01
Oh, yes. I remember your pics from last year. That was pretty impressive...or was that the year before?
starling310 on 08/05/2008 17:33:01
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by starling310:Quote by Raine:
:star: I think I am gonna have a hangnail in October....
:hug:
Hello! Expedia? I need a flight to Atlanta. . . .
Is it's in Oct then make sure to stop by my place for the Halloween decorations :p
Oh, yes. I remember your pics from last year. That was pretty impressive...or was that the year before?
Comment by starling310 on 08/05/2008 17:34:33
starling310 on 08/05/2008 17:34:33
Quote by livingonli:Quote by starling310:
He has that exasperated "Why is everyone so dumb" tone?
I have that all the time.
Comment by IzzyBitz on 08/05/2008 17:34:56
We have much in common on the animal and sibling front. If only you were German.
IzzyBitz on 08/05/2008 17:34:56
Quote by starling310:
Truth be told, I am better to animals than humans though.
We have much in common on the animal and sibling front. If only you were German.
Comment by starling310 on 08/05/2008 17:36:22
starling310 on 08/05/2008 17:36:22
:puke:
Comment by TriSec on 08/05/2008 17:38:06
TriSec on 08/05/2008 17:38:06
Cheney banned from GOP convention?
WASHINGTON (CNN) — Will Vice President Cheney be a no-show at the Republican convention in Minnesota?
Republican officials say yes, citing a desire by Sen. John McCain's campaign to turn the page on the Bush-Cheney years. One GOP official told CNN there's a "mutual understanding" between Cheney's office and the McCain camp that he is "unlikely" to attend the convention.
A second Republican official said there are still "talks going on" between Cheney's office and the McCain camp and both sides are "still trying to work it out."
The conservative American Spectator first reported Monday Cheney, who has low national approval ratings but is still popular among conservatives, is not expected to attend the convention...
WASHINGTON (CNN) — Will Vice President Cheney be a no-show at the Republican convention in Minnesota?
Republican officials say yes, citing a desire by Sen. John McCain's campaign to turn the page on the Bush-Cheney years. One GOP official told CNN there's a "mutual understanding" between Cheney's office and the McCain camp that he is "unlikely" to attend the convention.
A second Republican official said there are still "talks going on" between Cheney's office and the McCain camp and both sides are "still trying to work it out."
The conservative American Spectator first reported Monday Cheney, who has low national approval ratings but is still popular among conservatives, is not expected to attend the convention...
Comment by wickedpam on 08/05/2008 17:38:07
I have done that every year I've had the house. It's a destination spot for the kids now. Last year I even had people take their picture in my yard. It was so odd - but fun :D
wickedpam on 08/05/2008 17:38:07
Quote by starling310:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by starling310:Quote by Raine:
:star: I think I am gonna have a hangnail in October....
:hug:
Hello! Expedia? I need a flight to Atlanta. . . .
Is it's in Oct then make sure to stop by my place for the Halloween decorations :p
Oh, yes. I remember your pics from last year. That was pretty impressive...or was that the year before?
I have done that every year I've had the house. It's a destination spot for the kids now. Last year I even had people take their picture in my yard. It was so odd - but fun :D
Comment by starling310 on 08/05/2008 17:39:45
My best friend in the whole wide world is German ( straight from Germany ). Does that count?
starling310 on 08/05/2008 17:39:45
Quote by IzzyBitz:Quote by starling310:
Truth be told, I am better to animals than humans though.
My best friend in the whole wide world is German ( straight from Germany ). Does that count?
Comment by starling310 on 08/05/2008 17:40:07
starling310 on 08/05/2008 17:40:07
Mala, that's so cool!
Comment by Raine on 08/05/2008 17:43:33
Raine on 08/05/2008 17:43:33
OK... this is the crappiest youtbe ever... But it still made me laugh.
Comment by starling310 on 08/05/2008 17:44:14
starling310 on 08/05/2008 17:44:14
Oooooh....that "Roosevelt is dead" Limbaugh clip makes me want to blow my top every time!
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 17:50:29
You mean . . .
Woo hoo!
capt on 08/05/2008 17:50:29
makes me want to blow my top
You mean . . .
Woo hoo!
Comment by wickedpam on 08/05/2008 17:51:54
Thanks :D
wickedpam on 08/05/2008 17:51:54
Quote by starling310:
Mala, that's so cool!
Thanks :D
Comment by Raine on 08/05/2008 17:53:14
TURN THE PAGE????
He is PLAGERIZING the BOOK!!!
Raine on 08/05/2008 17:53:14
Quote by TriSec:
Cheney banned from GOP convention?
WASHINGTON (CNN) — Will Vice President Cheney be a no-show at the Republican convention in Minnesota?
Republican officials say yes, citing a desire by Sen. John McCain's campaign to turn the page on the Bush-Cheney years. One GOP official told CNN there's a "mutual understanding" between Cheney's office and the McCain camp that he is "unlikely" to attend the convention.
A second Republican official said there are still "talks going on" between Cheney's office and the McCain camp and both sides are "still trying to work it out."
The conservative American Spectator first reported Monday Cheney, who has low national approval ratings but is still popular among conservatives, is not expected to attend the convention...
He is PLAGERIZING the BOOK!!!
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 17:54:37
I think, in general, animals are more deserving of consideration than humans.
We have a responsibility to do for those that cannot do for themselves.
capt on 08/05/2008 17:54:37
If having a soul means being able to feel love and loyalty and gratitude, then animals are better off than a lot of humans.
~James Herriot
I think, in general, animals are more deserving of consideration than humans.
We have a responsibility to do for those that cannot do for themselves.
Comment by TriSec on 08/05/2008 17:54:39
TriSec on 08/05/2008 17:54:39
I *HATE* the Cigna voice response system with a passion uncontested....
Comment by IzzyBitz on 08/05/2008 17:59:20
The clubhouse door is always open!
IzzyBitz on 08/05/2008 17:59:20
Quote by starling310:
My best friend in the whole wide world is German ( straight from Germany ). Does that count?
The clubhouse door is always open!
Comment by livingonli on 08/05/2008 18:00:25
livingonli on 08/05/2008 18:00:25
I feel so sleepy all of a sudden but I have to go to work later.
Comment by velveeta jones on 08/05/2008 18:09:57
velveeta jones on 08/05/2008 18:09:57
(Sorry if this was already posted. I've been out)
Those Gosh Darn FAGS™ done gone and done it now!
Westboro Baptist Church burns.
Oh no, that's not funny. Bad Velveeta, BAD. *snicker*
Those Gosh Darn FAGS™ done gone and done it now!
Westboro Baptist Church burns.
Oh no, that's not funny. Bad Velveeta, BAD. *snicker*
Comment by liam1965 on 08/05/2008 18:11:41
Hmmmm. What's the median age here? I'm 42 as well, so among those whose ages I know, the median age on 4F is 42. :-)
liam1965 on 08/05/2008 18:11:41
Quote by wickedpam:
Never - I'm 42 and my mother still guilts me into doing stuff. And I'm not Catholic so there's no blaming that.
Hmmmm. What's the median age here? I'm 42 as well, so among those whose ages I know, the median age on 4F is 42. :-)
Comment by TriSec on 08/05/2008 18:13:40
TriSec on 08/05/2008 18:13:40
Hey, TriSec is not 42!!!
Well, not yet, anyway. *cough* Friday! *cough*
Well, not yet, anyway. *cough* Friday! *cough*
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 18:13:57
capt on 08/05/2008 18:13:57
I'm 48 going on seventeen.
(an immature seventeen)
(an immature seventeen)
Comment by livingonli on 08/05/2008 18:16:21
livingonli on 08/05/2008 18:16:21
I'm 41. I won't be 42 until next year.
Comment by 
trojanrabbit on 08/05/2008 18:17:20
Never smoked either.
I'm 52, but sure not feeling it lately....
trojanrabbit on 08/05/2008 18:17:20
Quote by liam1965:Quote by livingonli:
Does this make me the odd duck being the nonsmoker in the group? My father smoked two packs a day and the damn things were what killed him.
For what it's worth, I'm also a non-smoker.
Never smoked either.
I'm 52, but sure not feeling it lately....
Comment by liam1965 on 08/05/2008 18:18:03
liam1965 on 08/05/2008 18:18:03
Wow, are we really all in our 40s? Or is that the only ones willing to admit how old they are?
Old enough to know better, immature enough to not give a sh**. ;-)
Old enough to know better, immature enough to not give a sh**. ;-)
Comment by liam1965 on 08/05/2008 18:19:40
liam1965 on 08/05/2008 18:19:40
I live my life dedicated to the proposition that I can't help growing older, but they damn well can't make me grow up.
Comment by starling310 on 08/05/2008 18:20:28
starling310 on 08/05/2008 18:20:28
I turned 31 on July 18th!
Comment by IzzyBitz on 08/05/2008 18:22:52
IzzyBitz on 08/05/2008 18:22:52
I'm not 42, I'm not Catholic and I don't smoke.
Comment by livingonli on 08/05/2008 18:22:59
Sure looks that way. Except for and Random, we largely seem to be in our 40's. Random probably really throws the age curve off by pulling down the average.
livingonli on 08/05/2008 18:22:59
Quote by liam1965:
Wow, are we really all in our 40s? Or is that the only ones willing to admit how old they are?
Old enough to know better, immature enough to not give a sh**. ;-)
Sure looks that way. Except for
and Random, we largely seem to be in our 40's. Random probably really throws the age curve off by pulling down the average.
Comment by velveeta jones on 08/05/2008 18:23:03
Oh hell! Is everyone birthday in August? WTF? I only have 53 friends or so on FB and so far, one every day this week!!
:thud:
btw: Velveeta is also an August/virgo......
velveeta jones on 08/05/2008 18:23:03
Quote by TriSec:
Hey, TriSec is not 42!!!
Well, not yet, anyway. *cough* Friday! *cough*
Oh hell! Is everyone birthday in August? WTF? I only have 53 friends or so on FB and so far, one every day this week!!
:thud:
btw: Velveeta is also an August/virgo......
Comment by Raine on 08/05/2008 18:24:38
Raine on 08/05/2008 18:24:38
Actually we have people from ALL over the age spectrum.
I am supposed to be 40... but... I act like a 15 year old sometimes ...
Ok... most of the time! :P
I am going to take Kizzy for a walk. Be back in a little while loverlies!
I am supposed to be 40... but... I act like a 15 year old sometimes ...
Ok... most of the time! :P
I am going to take Kizzy for a walk. Be back in a little while loverlies!
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 18:26:06
capt on 08/05/2008 18:26:06
My better half has never smoked, not a puff. She did some no-doze in college but that is like coffee.
She only drinks water - no soda, dairy or spirits.
We have nothing in common. She just turned 47 on the 2nd.
FWIW
She only drinks water - no soda, dairy or spirits.
We have nothing in common. She just turned 47 on the 2nd.
FWIW
Comment by liam1965 on 08/05/2008 18:29:29
Then I nominate you as the official person-on-the-blog-we'd-probably-most-like-to-actually-see
(Hope that's not offensive, I'm trying to be silly to cheer myself up today)
liam1965 on 08/05/2008 18:29:29
Quote by starling310:
I turned 31 on July 18th!
Then I nominate you as the official person-on-the-blog-we'd-probably-most-like-to-actually-see
(Hope that's not offensive, I'm trying to be silly to cheer myself up today)
Comment by wickedpam on 08/05/2008 18:30:17
:doh:
I'm an idiot! I made myself a year older
I'm 41
wickedpam on 08/05/2008 18:30:17
Quote by liam1965:Quote by wickedpam:
Never - I'm 42 and my mother still guilts me into doing stuff. And I'm not Catholic so there's no blaming that.
Hmmmm. What's the median age here? I'm 42 as well, so among those whose ages I know, the median age on 4F is 42. :-)
:doh:
I'm an idiot! I made myself a year older
I'm 41
Comment by liam1965 on 08/05/2008 18:31:34
For what it's worth, I don't believe in the zodiac. But then, I'm a scorpio, and scorpios generally don't beleive in the zodiac. :-)
I'm in October, right near the cusp with Libra.
Since you (sort of) asked.
liam1965 on 08/05/2008 18:31:34
Quote by velveeta jones:
Oh hell! Is everyone birthday in August? WTF? I only have 53 friends or so on FB and so far, one every day this week!!
:thud:
btw: Velveeta is also an August/virgo......
For what it's worth, I don't believe in the zodiac. But then, I'm a scorpio, and scorpios generally don't beleive in the zodiac. :-)
I'm in October, right near the cusp with Libra.
Since you (sort of) asked.
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 18:34:39
capt on 08/05/2008 18:34:39
I am Libra which is like an oxymoron - I am so NOT balanced.
Why is "pound" abbreviated lb.? For libra (libre?) the scale.
Why is "pound" abbreviated lb.? For libra (libre?) the scale.
Comment by starling310 on 08/05/2008 18:36:08
Not offensive at all!
They're still pretty high and tight. I am quite proud of them, as a matter of fact....
:boobs2: :boobs2: :boobs2: :boobs2:
starling310 on 08/05/2008 18:36:08
Quote by liam1965:Quote by starling310:
I turned 31 on July 18th!
Then I nominate you as the official person-on-the-blog-we'd-probably-most-like-to-actually-see
(Hope that's not offensive, I'm trying to be silly to cheer myself up today)
Not offensive at all!
They're still pretty high and tight. I am quite proud of them, as a matter of fact....
:boobs2:
:boobs2: :boobs2: :boobs2:
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 18:38:16
Not nearly as proud as we are and we haven't seen them!
capt on 08/05/2008 18:38:16
They're still pretty high and tight. I am quite proud of them, as a matter of fact....
Not nearly as proud as we are and we haven't seen them!
Comment by liam1965 on 08/05/2008 18:38:38
Damn it, then why is it Cindy McCain is at Sturgis and you're here only VIRTUALLY flashing.
I've found nothing helps fight pain better than distraction, so c'mon, do a guy a solid.
(I love that expression, "do someone a solid", it sounds vaguely like you're asking someone to crap for you)
liam1965 on 08/05/2008 18:38:38
Quote by starling310: Not offensive at all!
They're still pretty high and tight. I am quite proud of them, as a matter of fact....
:boobs2:
Damn it, then why is it Cindy McCain is at Sturgis and you're here only VIRTUALLY flashing.
I've found nothing helps fight pain better than distraction, so c'mon, do a guy a solid.
(I love that expression, "do someone a solid", it sounds vaguely like you're asking someone to crap for you)
Comment by starling310 on 08/05/2008 18:41:03
starling310 on 08/05/2008 18:41:03
Quote by liam1965:
(I love that expression, "do someone a solid", it sounds vaguely like you're asking someone to crap for you)
Comment by livingonli on 08/05/2008 18:42:40
livingonli on 08/05/2008 18:42:40
I'm an Aries with a Pisces cusp (March 21st).
Comment by liam1965 on 08/05/2008 18:43:49
liam1965 on 08/05/2008 18:43:49
I hope the subtle implication there was intended, and not merely the product of my own extremely dirty mind. 
(EDIT: Referring to Starling, not Liv)
(EDIT: Referring to Starling, not Liv)
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 18:46:08
capt on 08/05/2008 18:46:08
Two bums are sipping liquor in bags while sitting next to a dumpster. One guy gets up and the other asks "where you goin'?"
"I have to take a leak" and the sitting guy says "yeah take one for me too"
He comes back and smacks his friend.
"What was that for?"
"You should've told me you had to go number 2"
"I have to take a leak" and the sitting guy says "yeah take one for me too"
He comes back and smacks his friend.
"What was that for?"
"You should've told me you had to go number 2"
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 18:47:00
capt on 08/05/2008 18:47:00
I don't have a cusp?
(I don't think)
(I don't think)
Comment by TriSec on 08/05/2008 18:47:14
TriSec on 08/05/2008 18:47:14
*snort*
It's a thing to do....
TriSec Birthdays over this span of time....
My brother...July 30
My (deceased) grandmother...July 31
My niece (daughter of brother)...August 6
Me..August 8
Javier (son of TriSec)..August 9
But my claim to fame....I was born 9 months to the day after the Great Northeast Blackout of 1965. So there you go.
It's a thing to do....
TriSec Birthdays over this span of time....
My brother...July 30
My (deceased) grandmother...July 31
My niece (daughter of brother)...August 6
Me..August 8
Javier (son of TriSec)..August 9
But my claim to fame....I was born 9 months to the day after the Great Northeast Blackout of 1965. So there you go.
Comment by starling310 on 08/05/2008 18:47:31
starling310 on 08/05/2008 18:47:31
Dear Liam,
I am a lesbian.
Just sayin. . .
Don't take it personally.
Love always,
:star:
I am a lesbian.
Just sayin. . .
Don't take it personally.
Love always,
:star:
Comment by velveeta jones on 08/05/2008 18:47:44
velveeta jones on 08/05/2008 18:47:44
Quote by starling310:Quote by liam1965:Quote by starling310:
I turned 31 on July 18th!
Then I nominate you as the official person-on-the-blog-we'd-probably-most-like-to-actually-see
(Hope that's not offensive, I'm trying to be silly to cheer myself up today)
Not offensive at all!
They're still pretty high and tight. I am quite proud of them, as a matter of fact....
:boobs2:
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 18:49:25
Oh dear, that makes me even prouder of that high tight pair!
(you know the forbidden fruit is the sweetest!)
capt on 08/05/2008 18:49:25
Quote by starling310:
Dear Liam,
I am a lesbian.
Just sayin. . .
Don't take it personally.
Love always,
:star:
Oh dear, that makes me even prouder of that high tight pair!
(you know the forbidden fruit is the sweetest!)
Comment by liam1965 on 08/05/2008 18:50:42
From some of the other things you've said, I already knew that. I can still flirt with you. So my wife says, as long as it's just flirting, it's harmless and fine.
Besides, when was the last time the phrase "I'm a lesbian" turned OFF a guy, huh?
Seriously, though, to be honest, I'm amazed more women aren't lesbians, I just don't see what anyone sees in us guys. Hairy, smelly, rude, obnoxious and with an odd facination for poop jokes.
liam1965 on 08/05/2008 18:50:42
Quote by starling310:
Dear Liam,
I am a lesbian.
Just sayin. . .
Don't take it personally.
Love always,
:star:
From some of the other things you've said, I already knew that. I can still flirt with you. So my wife says, as long as it's just flirting, it's harmless and fine.
Besides, when was the last time the phrase "I'm a lesbian" turned OFF a guy, huh?
Seriously, though, to be honest, I'm amazed more women aren't lesbians, I just don't see what anyone sees in us guys. Hairy, smelly, rude, obnoxious and with an odd facination for poop jokes.
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 18:52:12
capt on 08/05/2008 18:52:12
Real dirty joke . . .
Buckwheat why do you wash your in Tide™?
Buckwheat sez - 'cause it's too cold out-tide otay?
Buckwheat why do you wash your in Tide™?
Buckwheat sez - 'cause it's too cold out-tide otay?
Comment by TriSec on 08/05/2008 18:52:38
TriSec on 08/05/2008 18:52:38
Hi Starling, pleased to meet you.
I think I'm a lesbian, too.
I only sleep with women.
I drive a Subaru.
and of course the clincher....we got married in Massachusetts!!
I think I'm a lesbian, too.
I only sleep with women.
I drive a Subaru.
and of course the clincher....we got married in Massachusetts!!
Comment by starling310 on 08/05/2008 18:54:30
:rofl:
starling310 on 08/05/2008 18:54:30
Quote by velveeta jones:Quote by starling310:Quote by liam1965:Quote by starling310:
I turned 31 on July 18th!
Then I nominate you as the official person-on-the-blog-we'd-probably-most-like-to-actually-see
(Hope that's not offensive, I'm trying to be silly to cheer myself up today)
Not offensive at all!
They're still pretty high and tight. I am quite proud of them, as a matter of fact....
:boobs2:I'm AWAKE NOW!!
:rofl:
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 18:56:25
Speak for yourself, waxing, bath/shower, manners, civility, and read a book?
capt on 08/05/2008 18:56:25
I just don't see what anyone sees in us guys. Hairy, smelly, rude, obnoxious and with an odd facination for poop jokes.
Speak for yourself, waxing, bath/shower, manners, civility, and read a book?
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 18:58:15
capt on 08/05/2008 18:58:15
Not to mention there might even be a lesbian or two that think highly of my man-tits.
So back at cha!
So
back at cha!
Comment by TriSec on 08/05/2008 19:00:16
TriSec on 08/05/2008 19:00:16
Comment by starling310 on 08/05/2008 19:02:07
:: monice geller :: I know!
starling310 on 08/05/2008 19:02:07
Quote by liam1965:Quote by starling310:
Dear Liam,
I am a lesbian.
Just sayin. . .
Don't take it personally.
Love always,
:star:
From some of the other things you've said, I already knew that. I can still flirt with you. So my wife says, as long as it's just flirting, it's harmless and fine.
Besides, when was the last time the phrase "I'm a lesbian" turned OFF a guy, huh?
Seriously, though, to be honest, I'm amazed more women aren't lesbians, I just don't see what anyone sees in us guys. Hairy, smelly, rude, obnoxious and with an odd facination for poop jokes.
:: monice geller :: I know!
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 19:02:07
capt on 08/05/2008 19:02:07
Obama leads McCain nationally in AP-Ipsos poll
For anybody that was getting worried?
WASHINGTON (AP) — A new poll finds Barack Obama is leading John McCain nationally by 6 percentage points thanks to big leads he is enjoying among women, minorities and younger voters.
The Associated Press-Ipsos poll shows that Obama is leading his Republican rival 47 percent to 41 percent. McCain has a 10-point lead among whites and is tied with the Democrat among men, but Obama is leading by 13 points among women and has huge leads with minorities and the young.
The poll was released Tuesday following a week in which the two camps accused each other of bringing race into a campaign in which Obama is seeking to become the country's first African-American president.
For anybody that was getting worried?
Comment by starling310 on 08/05/2008 19:02:50
: steph's mom : Oh Dear. . .
starling310 on 08/05/2008 19:02:50
Quote by capt:
Not to mention there might even be a lesbian or two that think highly of my man-tits.
So
: steph's mom : Oh Dear. . .
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 19:05:39
Well they do wiggle. . . I lost a few pounds and they got more wiggly.
Not a thing of beauty but if the bounce is any measure
capt on 08/05/2008 19:05:39
Quote by starling310:Quote by capt:
Not to mention there might even be a lesbian or two that think highly of my man-tits.
So
: steph's mom : Oh Dear. . .
Well they do wiggle. . . I lost a few pounds and they got more wiggly.
Not a thing of beauty but if the bounce is any measure
Comment by Raine on 08/05/2008 19:07:31
Raine on 08/05/2008 19:07:31
Walk done... and I am a sweaty pile of mud...
Comment by IzzyBitz on 08/05/2008 19:07:44
IzzyBitz on 08/05/2008 19:07:44
Icky old men! Time to get out of Creepsville. Eeep.
Comment by starling310 on 08/05/2008 19:10:04
:rofl:
starling310 on 08/05/2008 19:10:04
Quote by IzzyBitz:
Icky old men! Time to get out of Creepsville. Eeep.
:rofl:
Comment by starling310 on 08/05/2008 19:15:15
starling310 on 08/05/2008 19:15:15
Eh hem... Randi....
That would be "Nine Hundred TWENTY five thousand Six hundred Minutes..."
That would be "Nine Hundred TWENTY five thousand Six hundred Minutes..."
Comment by Raine on 08/05/2008 19:17:25
Raine on 08/05/2008 19:17:25
AS fair as the fruits may be forbidden... I have the honor to say I have been in the same bed with :star:... :D
And with Faye ... all at the same time
:boobs2:
And with Faye
... all at the same time :boobs2:
Comment by starling310 on 08/05/2008 19:17:28
starling310 on 08/05/2008 19:17:28
:boobs2: Priceless Johan!
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 19:18:58
capt on 08/05/2008 19:18:58
Poll: Obama Leading By 10 Points -- Among Working Class Whites!
Time for the M$M to change the subject.
Time for the M$M to change the subject.
Comment by starling310 on 08/05/2008 19:18:59
: squeezy : Oh yeah....my my my.....
starling310 on 08/05/2008 19:18:59
Quote by Raine:
AS fair as the fruits may be forbidden... I have the honor to say I have been in the same bed with :star:... :D
And with Faye
:boobs2:
: squeezy : Oh yeah....my my my.....
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 19:21:13
Um. . . er . . . blubber . . . blubber . . *upper lip sweating* wow . . cool!
*sends self to penalty box *
capt on 08/05/2008 19:21:13
Quote by Raine:
AS fair as the fruits may be forbidden... I have the honor to say I have been in the same bed with :star:... :D
And with Faye
:boobs2:
Um. . . er . . . blubber . . . blubber . . *upper lip sweating* wow . . cool!
*sends self to penalty box *
Comment by TriSec on 08/05/2008 19:32:20
TriSec on 08/05/2008 19:32:20
Ellington working his magic on your Loyal TriSec this afternoon....
:dance:
:dance:
Comment by Raine on 08/05/2008 19:38:15
I never even got my toaster!
:hug:
Raine on 08/05/2008 19:38:15
Quote by starling310:Quote by Raine:
AS fair as the fruits may be forbidden... I have the honor to say I have been in the same bed with :star:... :D
And with Faye
:boobs2:
: squeezy : Oh yeah....my my my.....
:hug:
Comment by TriSec on 08/05/2008 19:38:45
TriSec on 08/05/2008 19:38:45
Sorry to put a damper on the hijinks this afternoon...
China beats up two Japanese journalists
BEIJING—The beating of two Japanese journalists by police in western China drew an official apology Tuesday, but Beijing also set new obstacles for news outlets wanting to report from Tiananmen Square in the latest sign of trouble for reporters covering the Olympics.
The International Olympic Committee, which last week only partially succeeded in getting China to unblock some Internet sites after journalists raised a furor, said it would look into the new rules that require reporters to make appointments to do reports at Tiananmen.
The Japanese government and the Foreign Correspondents Club of China condemned the roughing up of the Japanese newsmen who were covering an attack by alleged Muslim separatists on police in Xinjiang province.
The separate incidents added to the impression that China is not living up to promises that foreign media would have unrestricted access during the games and has reverted to the tight controls that the communist government keeps over the press in normal times.
In the latest restriction, the Beijing city government said on its Web site that Chinese and foreign journalists who want to report and film in Tiananmen "are advised to make advanced appointments by phone." It said that will help ensure orderly newsgathering amid what are expected to be large crowds in the square on each day of the games, which start Friday.
The notice did not specify when the rule takes effect, nor did it say what would happen to news crews if they tried to report from the square without an appointment. Phone calls Tuesday night to the Beijing government spokesman's office seeking clarification rang unanswered.
China beats up two Japanese journalists
BEIJING—The beating of two Japanese journalists by police in western China drew an official apology Tuesday, but Beijing also set new obstacles for news outlets wanting to report from Tiananmen Square in the latest sign of trouble for reporters covering the Olympics.
The International Olympic Committee, which last week only partially succeeded in getting China to unblock some Internet sites after journalists raised a furor, said it would look into the new rules that require reporters to make appointments to do reports at Tiananmen.
The Japanese government and the Foreign Correspondents Club of China condemned the roughing up of the Japanese newsmen who were covering an attack by alleged Muslim separatists on police in Xinjiang province.
The separate incidents added to the impression that China is not living up to promises that foreign media would have unrestricted access during the games and has reverted to the tight controls that the communist government keeps over the press in normal times.
In the latest restriction, the Beijing city government said on its Web site that Chinese and foreign journalists who want to report and film in Tiananmen "are advised to make advanced appointments by phone." It said that will help ensure orderly newsgathering amid what are expected to be large crowds in the square on each day of the games, which start Friday.
The notice did not specify when the rule takes effect, nor did it say what would happen to news crews if they tried to report from the square without an appointment. Phone calls Tuesday night to the Beijing government spokesman's office seeking clarification rang unanswered.
Comment by TriSec on 08/05/2008 19:42:20
TriSec on 08/05/2008 19:42:20
Think these games will be any better than these?
I don't suppose we have a Jesse Owens to beat up on the Aryans this time?
meh, maybe Yao Ming will foul out of a couple of games...
:kick:
I'm still torn about this. I have been a follower of the Olympic movement since I was ten years old and went to the Olympics in Montreal...
I don't suppose we have a Jesse Owens to beat up on the Aryans this time?
meh, maybe Yao Ming will foul out of a couple of games...
:kick:
I'm still torn about this. I have been a follower of the Olympic movement since I was ten years old and went to the Olympics in Montreal...
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 19:43:02
capt on 08/05/2008 19:43:02
Toaster? Okay - quit it - even household appliances are sounding hhhhhhot!
Comment by Raine on 08/05/2008 19:44:14
Raine on 08/05/2008 19:44:14
John McCAin --- at sturgis... wanting Cindy to join a topless beauty pageant:
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 19:45:17
capt on 08/05/2008 19:45:17
This ad is running here in NM:
Comment by starling310 on 08/05/2008 19:45:34
My dear, the way it works, I would be getting the toaster!
Or, Faye
starling310 on 08/05/2008 19:45:34
Quote by Raine:I never even got my toaster!Quote by starling310:Quote by Raine:
AS fair as the fruits may be forbidden... I have the honor to say I have been in the same bed with :star:... :D
And with Faye
:boobs2:
: squeezy : Oh yeah....my my my.....
:hug:
My dear, the way it works, I would be getting the toaster!
Or, Faye
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 19:47:04
How many poor folks would Cindy's watch feed?
Let them eat cake and drink beer?
capt on 08/05/2008 19:47:04
Quote by Raine:
John McCAin --- at sturgis... wanting Cindy to join a topless beauty pageant:
How many poor folks would Cindy's watch feed?
Let them eat cake and drink beer?
Comment by liam1965 on 08/05/2008 19:47:13
Tell me again why this doesn't get him into trouble with the "family values" crowd?
liam1965 on 08/05/2008 19:47:13
Quote by Raine:
John McCAin --- at sturgis... wanting Cindy to join a topless beauty pageant:
Tell me again why this doesn't get him into trouble with the "family values" crowd?
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 19:50:26
capt on 08/05/2008 19:50:26
Liam,
Come on you know darn well IOKIYAR
Cheesus you are going to fail the final exam.
Come on you know darn well IOKIYAR
Cheesus you are going to fail the final exam.
Comment by TriSec on 08/05/2008 19:53:39
TriSec on 08/05/2008 19:53:39
New Acronym:
R epublican
E xtremist
T oads (also- Tools)
A lways
R uin (also - Ruining)
D emocracy
I guess that makes it a "Backronym?" (Hey, I'm in the healthcare industy; I can make jargon out of anything!)
R epublican
E xtremist
T oads (also- Tools)
A lways
R uin (also - Ruining)
D emocracy
I guess that makes it a "Backronym?" (Hey, I'm in the healthcare industy; I can make jargon out of anything!)
Comment by starling310 on 08/05/2008 19:53:59
starling310 on 08/05/2008 19:53:59
Randi playing Enter Sandman!
Comment by Raine on 08/05/2008 19:55:21
I knew that. I just forgot it...
I think I lost ALL my honorary credentials.
Raine on 08/05/2008 19:55:21
Quote by starling310:Quote by Raine:I never even got my toaster!Quote by starling310:Quote by Raine:
AS fair as the fruits may be forbidden... I have the honor to say I have been in the same bed with :star:... :D
And with Faye
:boobs2:
: squeezy : Oh yeah....my my my.....
:hug:
My dear, the way it works, I would be getting the toaster!
Or, Faye
I knew that. I just forgot it... I think I lost ALL my honorary credentials.
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 19:56:10
capt on 08/05/2008 19:56:10
In a post on the Wonk Room, Charles Territo, the director of communications for the Auto Alliance (which represents Chrysler, Ford, and GM, among others), notes some facts McCain should keep in mind:
• The Department of Energy estimates that 1.2 billion gallons of fuel were wasted in 2005 as a result of driving on under-inflated tires.
• Fuel efficiency is reduced by 1% for every 3 PSI that tires are under-inflated.
• Proper tire inflation can save the equivalent of about 1 tank of gas per year.
• Proper tire inflation also reduces CO2 emissions.
• Experts estimate that 25% of automobiles are running on tires with lower than recommended pressure, because people don’t know how to check their tires or don’t realize that tires naturally lose air over time.
(Thinkprogress)
• The Department of Energy estimates that 1.2 billion gallons of fuel were wasted in 2005 as a result of driving on under-inflated tires.
• Fuel efficiency is reduced by 1% for every 3 PSI that tires are under-inflated.
• Proper tire inflation can save the equivalent of about 1 tank of gas per year.
• Proper tire inflation also reduces CO2 emissions.
• Experts estimate that 25% of automobiles are running on tires with lower than recommended pressure, because people don’t know how to check their tires or don’t realize that tires naturally lose air over time.
(Thinkprogress)
Comment by liam1965 on 08/05/2008 19:56:49
Shouldn't that be IOKIYAR(ACS)?
(It Only Kounts If You Are Republican (And Can't Spell))
liam1965 on 08/05/2008 19:56:49
Quote by capt:
Liam,
Come on you know darn well IOKIYAR
Cheesus you are going to fail the final exam.
Shouldn't that be IOKIYAR(ACS)?
(It Only Kounts If You Are Republican (And Can't Spell))
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 19:58:00
NEVER!
I'll even buy you all toasters! Heck we can start a toasters club!
capt on 08/05/2008 19:58:00
I think I lost ALL my honorary credentials.
NEVER!
I'll even buy you all toasters! Heck we can start a toasters club!
Comment by starling310 on 08/05/2008 19:58:39
starling310 on 08/05/2008 19:58:39
Quote by capt:
In a post on the Wonk Room, Charles Territo, the director of communications for the Auto Alliance (which represents Chrysler, Ford, and GM, among others), notes some facts McCain should keep in mind:
• The Department of Energy estimates that 1.2 billion gallons of fuel were wasted in 2005 as a result of driving on under-inflated tires.
• Fuel efficiency is reduced by 1% for every 3 PSI that tires are under-inflated.
• Proper tire inflation can save the equivalent of about 1 tank of gas per year.
• Proper tire inflation also reduces CO2 emissions.
• Experts estimate that 25% of automobiles are running on tires with lower than recommended pressure, because people don’t know how to check their tires or don’t realize that tires naturally lose air over time.
(Thinkprogress)
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 19:59:18
Hey, I resemble that remark!
capt on 08/05/2008 19:59:18
Quote by liam1965:Quote by capt:
Liam,
Come on you know darn well IOKIYAR
Cheesus you are going to fail the final exam.
Shouldn't that be IOKIYAR(ACS)?
(It Only Kounts If You Are Republican (And Can't Spell))
Hey, I resemble that remark!
Comment by liam1965 on 08/05/2008 20:01:24
What? You're a Republican?
Guys, we got a live one here!
liam1965 on 08/05/2008 20:01:24
Quote by capt:Quote by liam1965:
Shouldn't that be IOKIYAR(ACS)?
(It Only Kounts If You Are Republican (And Can't Spell))
Hey, I resemble that remark!
What? You're a Republican?
Guys, we got a live one here!
Comment by liam1965 on 08/05/2008 20:02:41
liam1965 on 08/05/2008 20:02:41
On a side note, how does one send a private message to another user? I've seen several responses to "I sent you a PM", but I don't see any link or button to do so.
Not that I vitally need one, anything I have to say to any of you I can say in front of the whole class.
I was just curious.
:scratchhead:
Not that I vitally need one, anything I have to say to any of you I can say in front of the whole class.
I was just curious.
:scratchhead:
Comment by wickedpam on 08/05/2008 20:07:41
wickedpam on 08/05/2008 20:07:41
It's part of the message board. Just register there and you can PM anyone
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 20:08:09
Oh dear, no. It has been pointed out I cannot spell or puncuate worth a darn and the IOKIYAR is just a guess. I've always thought Okay was one word but then it doesn't work so . . .
I am not as much Democrat as I am ANTI-republican. I was green for a time.
capt on 08/05/2008 20:08:09
What? You're a Republican?
Oh dear, no. It has been pointed out I cannot spell or puncuate worth a darn and the IOKIYAR is just a guess. I've always thought Okay was one word but then it doesn't work so . . .
I am not as much Democrat as I am ANTI-republican. I was green for a time.
Comment by liam1965 on 08/05/2008 20:09:38
liam1965 on 08/05/2008 20:09:38
Y'know, I think I've decided to resent the fact that Starling is a lesbian.
Not because I'm offended by it. Not because it means she's not interested in me. Not that I think there's anything WRONG with it.
But because there's a significantly better "no chance in hell" that she'll someday manage to end up with Rachel Maddow, the single smartest person on television, and that just chaps my ass.
(Looking for an appropriate icon for "an ass, chapping". The spanking one is as close as it gets, but not quite right. Or maybe what I really need is a "green with envy" one.)
Not because I'm offended by it. Not because it means she's not interested in me. Not that I think there's anything WRONG with it.
But because there's a significantly better "no chance in hell" that she'll someday manage to end up with Rachel Maddow, the single smartest person on television, and that just chaps my ass.
(Looking for an appropriate icon for "an ass, chapping". The spanking one is as close as it gets, but not quite right. Or maybe what I really need is a "green with envy" one.)
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 20:10:53
capt on 08/05/2008 20:10:53
More women want to carpool with Obama than McCain
They gotta be kidding? Who would want to get in a car with gramps? Driving over bridges with the turn signal on. Stopping for no reason, getting lost.
Fugetaboutit Obama hands down.
They gotta be kidding? Who would want to get in a car with gramps? Driving over bridges with the turn signal on. Stopping for no reason, getting lost.
Fugetaboutit Obama hands down.
Comment by Raine on 08/05/2008 20:10:55
PM are sent from the message board. and it requires a separate registration, since the board and the blog are on different servers.
You can get there by clicking the *forum* button up on top on the left underneath the 4F logo.
Raine on 08/05/2008 20:10:55
Quote by liam1965:
On a side note, how does one send a private message to another user? I've seen several responses to "I sent you a PM", but I don't see any link or button to do so.
Not that I vitally need one, anything I have to say to any of you I can say in front of the whole class.
I was just curious.
:scratchhead:
You can get there by clicking the *forum* button up on top on the left underneath the 4F logo.
Comment by liam1965 on 08/05/2008 20:15:44
OH! "It's OK If You Are Republican"...
And if you're gonna get all serious on me, I think I said the other day, I'm a registered Independent. I consider that the "Superbowl" mentality in politics is damaging our country pretty badly, the tendency to vote for "your team" because they ARE "your team", even in cases (like the current one) where "your guy" is clearly horrible for the country with nothing to offer but platitudes and failing memory.
I have some conservative positions (hate irresponsible spending, for example) and some liberal ones (hate poverty, think anyone who is willing to work should be able to have enough income to live reasonably, if not comfortably), and do my best to consider ALL of the candidates each cycle before deciding who I think is best for the country.
(To that end, I went to see just about every one of them speak near the end of last year. I am forever thankful that I live in NH and so have that opportunity!)
liam1965 on 08/05/2008 20:15:44
Quote by capt:What? You're a Republican?
Oh dear, no. It has been pointed out I cannot spell or puncuate worth a darn and the IOKIYAR is just a guess. I've always thought Okay was one word but then it doesn't work so . . .
I am not as much Democrat as I am ANTI-republican. I was green for a time.
OH! "It's OK If You Are Republican"...
And if you're gonna get all serious on me, I think I said the other day, I'm a registered Independent. I consider that the "Superbowl" mentality in politics is damaging our country pretty badly, the tendency to vote for "your team" because they ARE "your team", even in cases (like the current one) where "your guy" is clearly horrible for the country with nothing to offer but platitudes and failing memory.
I have some conservative positions (hate irresponsible spending, for example) and some liberal ones (hate poverty, think anyone who is willing to work should be able to have enough income to live reasonably, if not comfortably), and do my best to consider ALL of the candidates each cycle before deciding who I think is best for the country.
(To that end, I went to see just about every one of them speak near the end of last year. I am forever thankful that I live in NH and so have that opportunity!)
Comment by TriSec on 08/05/2008 20:15:51
TriSec on 08/05/2008 20:15:51
Quote by liam1965:Quote by capt:Quote by liam1965:
Shouldn't that be IOKIYAR(ACS)?
(It Only Kounts If You Are Republican (And Can't Spell))
Hey, I resemble that remark!
What? You're a Republican?
Guys, we got a live one here!
Comment by liam1965 on 08/05/2008 20:17:10
Reminds me of one of my favorite jokes: When I get old, I hope I die peacefully in my sleep, like my grandfather.
Not screaming in terror, like his passengers.
liam1965 on 08/05/2008 20:17:10
Quote by capt:
They gotta be kidding? Who would want to get in a car with gramps? Driving over bridges with the turn signal on. Stopping for no reason, getting lost.
Fugetaboutit Obama hands down.
Reminds me of one of my favorite jokes: When I get old, I hope I die peacefully in my sleep, like my grandfather.
Not screaming in terror, like his passengers.
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 20:17:47
I still want the HQ address so I can send some $$$$!
capt on 08/05/2008 20:17:47
I'm a registered Independent.
I still want the HQ address so I can send some $$$$!
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 20:20:56
capt on 08/05/2008 20:20:56
I think everybody is all over the spectrum. Right left, liberal conservative are contructs and labels.
If you don't want the GOP running the country we could use you, you money, your participation in the democratic party.
You are doing nothing for us over in "I"ville. . .
If you don't want the GOP running the country we could use you, you money, your participation in the democratic party.
You are doing nothing for us over in "I"ville. . .
Comment by Raine on 08/05/2008 20:23:42
:rofl:
So we need a green with envy emoticon... I am still searching for Mala's request for a face slap one...
(scribbles in notebook... find new emoticon)
As a side note... I found a youtberry
Beauty Pageant. at Sturgis. THIS is what MCCain wanted his wife to compete in. Oh and I also found the Sturgis Pickle licking contest...
I am NOT a prude. NOT at ALL, I actually love bikers to a good extent. But -- if you are running for the highest office in the land, ferfuxake, don't joke about this stuff. And that asshat has the AUDACITY to mock Obama for his energy policy.
This is it... I am gonna put it out there. I want the 527's out there on OUR side to rip that old mysogynist fart apart.
Hell -- if I had the money I would start a 527 myself. It is time to counter his hypocrisy.
Raine on 08/05/2008 20:23:42
Quote by liam1965:
Y'know, I think I've decided to resent the fact that Starling is a lesbian.
Not because I'm offended by it. Not because it means she's not interested in me. Not that I think there's anything WRONG with it.
But because there's a significantly better "no chance in hell" that she'll someday manage to end up with Rachel Maddow, the single smartest person on television, and that just chaps my ass.
(Looking for an appropriate icon for "an ass, chapping". The spanking one is as close as it gets, but not quite right. Or maybe what I really need is a "green with envy" one.)
So we need a green with envy emoticon... I am still searching for Mala's request for a face slap one...
(scribbles in notebook... find new emoticon)
As a side note... I found a youtberry
Beauty Pageant. at Sturgis. THIS is what MCCain wanted his wife to compete in. Oh and I also found the Sturgis Pickle licking contest...
I am NOT a prude. NOT at ALL, I actually love bikers to a good extent. But -- if you are running for the highest office in the land, ferfuxake, don't joke about this stuff. And that asshat has the AUDACITY to mock Obama for his energy policy.
This is it... I am gonna put it out there. I want the 527's out there on OUR side to rip that old mysogynist fart apart.
Hell -- if I had the money I would start a 527 myself. It is time to counter his hypocrisy.
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 20:26:03
capt on 08/05/2008 20:26:03
The day we get these GOP slugs out of office you could celebrate by leaving he party but until then we need all the help we can get, every person, every dollar every participant.
This election is not won yet, we (all of us) should take nothing for granted.
Come to the light - yes - it is warm here -
This election is not won yet, we (all of us) should take nothing for granted.
Come to the light - yes - it is warm here -
Comment by Raine on 08/05/2008 20:28:55
You reminded me of my favourite thing EVER written on ANY bathroom wall... I saw this in college in my dorm, down in the laundry room... (NYC circa 1985)
Anarchists Unite
:rofl:
Raine on 08/05/2008 20:28:55
Quote by capt:I'm a registered Independent.
I still want the HQ address so I can send some $$$$!
Anarchists Unite
:rofl:
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 20:31:39
Well hell yeah!
Think about it, exploiting bikini clad women, ostensibly straight sex tease, nobody is wearing rubbers or taking birth-control, all the women seem to be in good health so evidence of good healthcare, they are working for a little side money.
If they pay Social security and taxes on their winnings they are a GOP dream . . .
capt on 08/05/2008 20:31:39
THIS is what MCCain wanted his wife to compete in.
Well hell yeah!
Think about it, exploiting bikini clad women, ostensibly straight sex tease, nobody is wearing rubbers or taking birth-control, all the women seem to be in good health so evidence of good healthcare, they are working for a little side money.
If they pay Social security and taxes on their winnings they are a GOP dream . . .
Comment by TriSec on 08/05/2008 20:33:37
TriSec was a registered Libertarian beginning in 2000. (Although I never will vote against him, the last time Kennedy was up in this state I actually turned in a blank.) I was loosely involved with Carla Howell's campaign the year she lost to Mitt Romney for Governor.
I also took a very deep breath and walked down to my city clerk's office over April vacation this year and changed my registration back to "Democrat".
I'm not voting for Bob Barr; he never seriously was on my radar. (I supported Massachusetts native George Phillies).
But like capt says...this election is "all hands on deck". I'm a realist; Libertarians may yet have their time, but it isn't 2008.
TriSec on 08/05/2008 20:33:37
Quote by capt:
The day we get these GOP slugs out of office you could celebrate by leaving he party but until then we need all the help we can get, every person, every dollar every participant.
This election is not won yet, we (all of us) should take nothing for granted.
Come to the light - yes - it is warm here -
TriSec was a registered Libertarian beginning in 2000. (Although I never will vote against him, the last time Kennedy was up in this state I actually turned in a blank.) I was loosely involved with Carla Howell's campaign the year she lost to Mitt Romney for Governor.
I also took a very deep breath and walked down to my city clerk's office over April vacation this year and changed my registration back to "Democrat".
I'm not voting for Bob Barr; he never seriously was on my radar. (I supported Massachusetts native George Phillies).
But like capt says...this election is "all hands on deck". I'm a realist; Libertarians may yet have their time, but it isn't 2008.
Comment by liam1965 on 08/05/2008 20:35:19
I can donate to Obama (and have), I can work for him (and have), I can talk him up (and have) all while being registered with the state of NH as an Independent.
There's nothing I should be doing for Obama's campaign that I'm not doing now, but if (and I doubt this, or I wouldn't be advocating so strongly for him) he wins and turns out to be as bad as W, I like the idea that in four years I can be honest about that and vote for someone else if I think the need is there. I truly hope and pray that it is not, I hope that Obama does everything I think he will to return this country to where it should be.
But if I vote for Obama again in four years, I want it to be because I believe in what he's done and want him to do some more of it, not because I have a (D) after my name and feel some sort of party obligation.
liam1965 on 08/05/2008 20:35:19
Quote by capt:
The day we get these GOP slugs out of office you could celebrate by leaving he party but until then we need all the help we can get, every person, every dollar every participant.
This election is not won yet, we (all of us) should take nothing for granted.
Come to the light - yes - it is warm here -
I can donate to Obama (and have), I can work for him (and have), I can talk him up (and have) all while being registered with the state of NH as an Independent.
There's nothing I should be doing for Obama's campaign that I'm not doing now, but if (and I doubt this, or I wouldn't be advocating so strongly for him) he wins and turns out to be as bad as W, I like the idea that in four years I can be honest about that and vote for someone else if I think the need is there. I truly hope and pray that it is not, I hope that Obama does everything I think he will to return this country to where it should be.
But if I vote for Obama again in four years, I want it to be because I believe in what he's done and want him to do some more of it, not because I have a (D) after my name and feel some sort of party obligation.
Comment by Raine on 08/05/2008 20:37:58
I would be happy to have RATIONAL people running the country... in the mean time, I will take the dems. ... truthfully, I am a lifelong Dem.
While I know we NEED a viable third and even FOURTH party, we need to kill the strangle hold of the republicans. The easiest way to do that is to toss them OUT of power, then as a party, we need to make it easier to bring in third parties.
None of that will happen under the neo-confascist rule that our country is under siege from.
I love independants... but the very name, means that having a viable party is problematic.
Raine on 08/05/2008 20:37:58
Quote by capt:
I think everybody is all over the spectrum. Right left, liberal conservative are contructs and labels.
If you don't want the GOP running the country we could use you, you money, your participation in the democratic party.
You are doing nothing for us over in "I"ville. . .
While I know we NEED a viable third and even FOURTH party, we need to kill the strangle hold of the republicans. The easiest way to do that is to toss them OUT of power, then as a party, we need to make it easier to bring in third parties.
None of that will happen under the neo-confascist rule that our country is under siege from.
I love independants... but the very name, means that having a viable party is problematic.
Comment by Raine on 08/05/2008 20:44:09
Cool.
you know it is interesting... I feel like the heads of my party are obligated to ME> ...
The other thing I really feel, is that I can... even being a member of the (d) party... I am allowed to vote ANY way I want. But, I still want to be a part of something that believe in. (and that is REALLY hard to do at times) But, like this country. I still can't leave. I want to fight to make it better. That is me... I know other people are different than me. I don't knock it.
Liam, it sounds like you have done FAR more than myself to get Obama elected. I
down to you sir. I truly do!
Raine on 08/05/2008 20:44:09
Quote by liam1965:Quote by capt:
The day we get these GOP slugs out of office you could celebrate by leaving he party but until then we need all the help we can get, every person, every dollar every participant.
This election is not won yet, we (all of us) should take nothing for granted.
Come to the light - yes - it is warm here -
I can donate to Obama (and have), I can work for him (and have), I can talk him up (and have) all while being registered with the state of NH as an Independent.
There's nothing I should be doing for Obama's campaign that I'm not doing now, but if (and I doubt this, or I wouldn't be advocating so strongly for him) he wins and turns out to be as bad as W, I like the idea that in four years I can be honest about that and vote for someone else if I think the need is there. I truly hope and pray that it is not, I hope that Obama does everything I think he will to return this country to where it should be.
But if I vote for Obama again in four years, I want it to be because I believe in what he's done and want him to do some more of it, not because I have a (D) after my name and feel some sort of party obligation.
Cool.
you know it is interesting... I feel like the heads of my party are obligated to ME> ...
The other thing I really feel, is that I can... even being a member of the (d) party... I am allowed to vote ANY way I want. But, I still want to be a part of something that believe in. (and that is REALLY hard to do at times) But, like this country. I still can't leave. I want to fight to make it better. That is me... I know other people are different than me. I don't knock it.
Liam, it sounds like you have done FAR more than myself to get Obama elected. I
down to you sir. I truly do!
Comment by liam1965 on 08/05/2008 20:46:53
liam1965 on 08/05/2008 20:46:53
Oh, Raine, now you've done it. You've broached my favorite topic, and now you're going to get the standard knee-jerk lecture, because I simply can't help myself.
What we need in this country is runoff elections and a "no winner without more than 50% of the vote" rule.
It immediately breaks the "two party" stranglehold on power, because a vote for someone else doesn't end up helping whoever you liked least of the main two. If either of the main two gets over 50% of the vote, your vote the other way wouldn't have changed that (as long as you did cast a vote). Suddenly, we can feel free to vote for the Barrs or the Naders or the Perots of the world, without feeling like we're defacto handing a vote to our least favorite.
It also allows for a vote of "none of the above" to have actual meaning. Under our current system, if "none of the above" takes 25% of the vote and the remaining two each take 34% and 36% respectively, the 36% wins, and anyone in that 25% who would have voted for the 34% candidate feels like they helped elect the other guy.
Do it with "instantaneous runoff", where everyone ranks the candidates in order of preference (omitting anyone they simply can't support at all) and decide ahead of time what your algorithm is for determining who wins a "runoff". If you get to the end of the list and you can't construct over a 50% majority for any of the candidates from among the votes cast, then and only then do you have to start over... but in that case, it's the right thing to do because clearly there's no candidate that the majority can even tolerate.
Don't know as it'll ever happen, but if such change comes about, it won't come from the Democratic or Republican parties (who stand only to lose), it'll come from Independents.
What we need in this country is runoff elections and a "no winner without more than 50% of the vote" rule.
It immediately breaks the "two party" stranglehold on power, because a vote for someone else doesn't end up helping whoever you liked least of the main two. If either of the main two gets over 50% of the vote, your vote the other way wouldn't have changed that (as long as you did cast a vote). Suddenly, we can feel free to vote for the Barrs or the Naders or the Perots of the world, without feeling like we're defacto handing a vote to our least favorite.
It also allows for a vote of "none of the above" to have actual meaning. Under our current system, if "none of the above" takes 25% of the vote and the remaining two each take 34% and 36% respectively, the 36% wins, and anyone in that 25% who would have voted for the 34% candidate feels like they helped elect the other guy.
Do it with "instantaneous runoff", where everyone ranks the candidates in order of preference (omitting anyone they simply can't support at all) and decide ahead of time what your algorithm is for determining who wins a "runoff". If you get to the end of the list and you can't construct over a 50% majority for any of the candidates from among the votes cast, then and only then do you have to start over... but in that case, it's the right thing to do because clearly there's no candidate that the majority can even tolerate.
Don't know as it'll ever happen, but if such change comes about, it won't come from the Democratic or Republican parties (who stand only to lose), it'll come from Independents.
Comment by Raine on 08/05/2008 20:48:01
Raine on 08/05/2008 20:48:01
The house and the senate are on Vacation...I wanna Hillary ALL over the state of NY... and ELSEWHERE!
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 20:52:07
You are delusional.
Independents don't organize.
So what is the game plan?
capt on 08/05/2008 20:52:07
it'll come from Independents.
You are delusional.
Independents don't organize.
So what is the game plan?
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 20:53:08
capt on 08/05/2008 20:53:08
Oh wait wait until the GOP and the Dem's give up!
wait until the GOP and the Dem's give up!
Comment by Raine on 08/05/2008 20:57:47
Raine on 08/05/2008 20:57:47
DAYUM LIAM! I agree...today is actually the Run off election for the Dem nominee for the senate... GO JIM MARTIN!!!
Bobber is on his way home... we are gonna vote together... remember...a couple that votes together stays together!
Bobber is on his way home... we are gonna vote together... remember...a couple that votes together stays together!
Comment by liam1965 on 08/05/2008 20:59:00
Who says Independents don't organize?
If Independents don't organize, where did the Reform party come from, or the Green party? Or the Libertarian party?
Meanwhile, at their worst ebbs, the Dems and the Repubs are still more powerful by far than most of the political parties in several European countries I could name, there's simply no reason why any of them will ever wholeheartedly support changing a system which virtually guarantees their continued power.
Not to say we'll ever get that kind of wholesale reworking of our system anyway, but I simply don't beleive it could EVER be done by Dems or Repubs. It's like asking the Giants or the Patriots last January to be the ones to champion a rules change that allows several OTHER teams to participate in the Superbowl as well.
liam1965 on 08/05/2008 20:59:00
Quote by capt:it'll come from Independents.
You are delusional.
Independents don't organize.
So what is the game plan?
Who says Independents don't organize?
If Independents don't organize, where did the Reform party come from, or the Green party? Or the Libertarian party?
Meanwhile, at their worst ebbs, the Dems and the Repubs are still more powerful by far than most of the political parties in several European countries I could name, there's simply no reason why any of them will ever wholeheartedly support changing a system which virtually guarantees their continued power.
Not to say we'll ever get that kind of wholesale reworking of our system anyway, but I simply don't beleive it could EVER be done by Dems or Repubs. It's like asking the Giants or the Patriots last January to be the ones to champion a rules change that allows several OTHER teams to participate in the Superbowl as well.
Comment by liam1965 on 08/05/2008 21:00:35
liam1965 on 08/05/2008 21:00:35
Well, I must needs be heading home, fair bloggers. I shall review and pick this up again when I'm safely ensconsed in my home.
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 21:01:06
capt on 08/05/2008 21:01:06
Just for fun, how are the independents going to "bring" IRV to the public when they don't organize?
IRV is a great idea but to make it public policy it will require a huge organizing effort - nationwide . Or am I missing something?
IRV is a great idea but to make it public policy it will require a huge organizing effort - nationwide . Or am I missing something?
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 21:02:37
Just going by what you posted. What parties come from non-parties is a non-answer.
NBD
capt on 08/05/2008 21:02:37
but if such change comes about, it won't come from the Democratic or Republican parties (who stand only to lose), it'll come from Independents.
Just going by what you posted. What parties come from non-parties is a non-answer.
NBD
Comment by Raine on 08/05/2008 21:05:01
Raine on 08/05/2008 21:05:01
HEY! I just noticed that someone stole err... procured my *Jim Martin* sign off the lawn!!!
:waiting: I am NOT pleased.
:waiting: I am NOT pleased.
Comment by liam1965 on 08/05/2008 21:05:02
Because you're still under the mistaken impression that independent voters can't organize, just because they don't choose to be part of a political party.
Look, just because I'm not part of a political party doesn't mean I never join ANY group. Why, my barbershop quartet would sound pretty bad if we never organized rehearsals and the like.
And as I said, although I'm an Independent, I've organized behind Obama this election cycle, and I'm doing as much for him as I've ever done for any candidate, ever.
So you're really using a right-wing tactic here, making a flawed statement and then ridiculing me for something which is only ridiculous if you accept your flawed premise.
liam1965 on 08/05/2008 21:05:02
Quote by capt:
Just for fun, how are the independents going to "bring" IRV to the public when they don't organize?
IRV is a great idea but to make it public policy it will require a huge organizing effort - nationwide . Or am I missing something?
Because you're still under the mistaken impression that independent voters can't organize, just because they don't choose to be part of a political party.
Look, just because I'm not part of a political party doesn't mean I never join ANY group. Why, my barbershop quartet would sound pretty bad if we never organized rehearsals and the like.
And as I said, although I'm an Independent, I've organized behind Obama this election cycle, and I'm doing as much for him as I've ever done for any candidate, ever.
So you're really using a right-wing tactic here, making a flawed statement and then ridiculing me for something which is only ridiculous if you accept your flawed premise.
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 21:06:09
capt on 08/05/2008 21:06:09
A good article on the poll number that give some people heartburn.
Is Obama's Lead In Gallup Polls Stable Or Volatile?
Complete with charts and stuff.
Is Obama's Lead In Gallup Polls Stable Or Volatile?
Complete with charts and stuff.
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 21:06:35
capt on 08/05/2008 21:06:35
Quote by capt:but if such change comes about, it won't come from the Democratic or Republican parties (who stand only to lose), it'll come from Independents.
Just going by what you posted. What parties come from non-parties is a non-answer.
NBD
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 21:07:29
capt on 08/05/2008 21:07:29
Whoa there cowboy:
Forget I posted anything if you think I need to be insulted.
Thanks anyway.
So you're really using a right-wing tactic here
Forget I posted anything if you think I need to be insulted.
Thanks anyway.
Comment by liam1965 on 08/05/2008 21:09:05
I didn't say the other PARTIES would come from the Independents. I said the movement to change the system will come from Independents (and here I'm classing as "Independent" anyone who isn't part of one of the big two parties).
The parties will form on their own, and they will ebb and flow, gaining popularity when they're small and idealistic, ebbing popularity as they get large and bloated and corrupt.
But I still maintain that you're asserting that because someone doesn't choose to be part of an organized party in ONE part of their life, that this somehow means they're never going to be able to unify behind an idea or join an organized group in any other part of their lives.
It's the same universe in which it's possible for someone to be "a liberal" or "a conservative" instead of a mix of many different positions at different points along the "liberal<-->conservative" spectrum on various different issues.
It's not black and white, it's shades of gray, and I'd prefer you not try to assert black and white, because if you're going to keep doing that, there's no point in discussing with you.
liam1965 on 08/05/2008 21:09:05
Quote by capt:but if such change comes about, it won't come from the Democratic or Republican parties (who stand only to lose), it'll come from Independents.
Just going by what you posted. What parties come from non-parties is a non-answer.
NBD
I didn't say the other PARTIES would come from the Independents. I said the movement to change the system will come from Independents (and here I'm classing as "Independent" anyone who isn't part of one of the big two parties).
The parties will form on their own, and they will ebb and flow, gaining popularity when they're small and idealistic, ebbing popularity as they get large and bloated and corrupt.
But I still maintain that you're asserting that because someone doesn't choose to be part of an organized party in ONE part of their life, that this somehow means they're never going to be able to unify behind an idea or join an organized group in any other part of their lives.
It's the same universe in which it's possible for someone to be "a liberal" or "a conservative" instead of a mix of many different positions at different points along the "liberal<-->conservative" spectrum on various different issues.
It's not black and white, it's shades of gray, and I'd prefer you not try to assert black and white, because if you're going to keep doing that, there's no point in discussing with you.
Comment by liam1965 on 08/05/2008 21:09:37
liam1965 on 08/05/2008 21:09:37
But... I REALLY need to be getting home, so I'm going to stop now and not read any more responses until I get home. Really.
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 21:14:30
capt on 08/05/2008 21:14:30
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 21:15:53
capt on 08/05/2008 21:15:53
Liam,
I will not post to people who use devices like "So you're really using a right-wing tactic here" so no worry about that. No explanation needed - I got the message.
Thanks anyway.
I will not post to people who use devices like "So you're really using a right-wing tactic here" so no worry about that. No explanation needed - I got the message.
Thanks anyway.
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 21:28:53
capt on 08/05/2008 21:28:53
I love the Asia Times online. It is like getting news a day early!
US distractions let in 'foes'
I like Jim Lobe and most of his writing. Not great but most always factual - THAT is a start.
US distractions let in 'foes'
I like Jim Lobe and most of his writing. Not great but most always factual - THAT is a start.
Comment by livingonli on 08/05/2008 21:35:00
livingonli on 08/05/2008 21:35:00
I hate when work gets in the way of blogging.
I wonder if Cindy would ever get a tramp stamp tattoo?
I actually consider myself an independent progressive. My political positions have evolved more towards a moe European perspective and if you look at the US parties from a European perspective even the Democratic Party is fairly conservative. The Democratic Party would be considered a center or slightly center-right party while the Republican Party since Reagan and especially since the Gingrich "Revolution" the Republican Party would now be considered a far-right party.
San Francisco is already using Instant Runoff Voting which is how the Green Party candidat ealmost became mayor of that city in the last election.
I wonder if Cindy would ever get a tramp stamp tattoo?
I actually consider myself an independent progressive. My political positions have evolved more towards a moe European perspective and if you look at the US parties from a European perspective even the Democratic Party is fairly conservative. The Democratic Party would be considered a center or slightly center-right party while the Republican Party since Reagan and especially since the Gingrich "Revolution" the Republican Party would now be considered a far-right party.
San Francisco is already using Instant Runoff Voting which is how the Green Party candidat ealmost became mayor of that city in the last election.
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 21:44:27
capt on 08/05/2008 21:44:27
Some well meaning folks think only independents can think independently.
That is a little silly.
I am a liberal conservative social progressive fiscal regressive. (self labeling is fun!)
I am also a democrat because the GOP has been winning. Simple as that. I would all caps and bold but I think I make an important point - the GOP has been winning. They are insane, hate filled, racists, criminals and they have been winning.
IRV, the future of more parties is all pie in the sky when 55 million well meaning folks vote for Bush for a second term? It could happen again.
We (indy's progessives, lefties, or democrats) haven't won much except the 2006. The 2008 is not won, not yet, not by a long shot.
All politics sucks and all parties and politicians suck - big time.
Right now, we need to get a sucky democrat into office. I assume the IRV and other parties ideas will survive until 2009.
Maybe it is just me?
That is a little silly.
I am a liberal conservative social progressive fiscal regressive. (self labeling is fun!)
I am also a democrat because the GOP has been winning. Simple as that. I would all caps and bold but I think I make an important point - the GOP has been winning. They are insane, hate filled, racists, criminals and they have been winning.
IRV, the future of more parties is all pie in the sky when 55 million well meaning folks vote for Bush for a second term? It could happen again.
We (indy's progessives, lefties, or democrats) haven't won much except the 2006. The 2008 is not won, not yet, not by a long shot.
All politics sucks and all parties and politicians suck - big time.
Right now, we need to get a sucky democrat into office. I assume the IRV and other parties ideas will survive until 2009.
Maybe it is just me?
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 21:54:39
This is where the rubber meets the road. McCain and his ad's can't do anything but help.
I think the drop in the polls will actually help Barack. Wait for the debates. I predict the M$M will fawn all over McCain and trash Barack but the numbers will drop for Johnny - his poll numbers are about as high as they will go. (I hope)
capt on 08/05/2008 21:54:39
This is where the rubber meets the road. McCain and his ad's can't do anything but help.
I think the drop in the polls will actually help Barack. Wait for the debates. I predict the M$M will fawn all over McCain and trash Barack but the numbers will drop for Johnny - his poll numbers are about as high as they will go. (I hope)
Comment by liam1965 on 08/05/2008 21:59:13
liam1965 on 08/05/2008 21:59:13
Wow, touchy. Assert several times (even after I called you on it) that "Independents can't organize", and you don't recognize that as a tactic the "other side" has been using a lot?
I didn't say non-Independents can't think independently. But there is definitely a human tendency to identify with "our team", and we can see it in the extreme since 1992, when the Fox News/Rush Limbaugh/neocon cabal began demonizing the word "liberal" to the extent that there are a number of people who have bought into the idea that they are a Republican, even as they espouse values that far more closely match those of the Democratic party.
People like to belong to a group, and people like to believe in "us vs them". I've seen it at sci fi conventions, when you see a batch of people (such as myself) who have obvious psychological wedgie scars from high school forming into cliques and groups and loudly proclaiming that "you aren't a REAL fan, and don't belong here, if you don't watch anime" or "you aren't a REAL fan and don't belong here if you don't read Orson Scott Card" or... etc.
People who should know better, who know what it's like to be the "them" in "us vs. them" and yet they can't WAIT to do that to someone else the moment they have half a chance.
Since that is a core part of our make up as humans, it is easier to be willing to vote for a Republican if you don't have a knee jerk "oooh, ick, THEM" response when you hear the term.
Right now, I have that response, but I try to remind myself that it's not to REPUBLICANS, but to NEOCONS. My parents are classical Republicans, of the Goldwater stripe, they want smaller government and fiscal responsibility, but they couldn't care less whether two people of the same gender get married. And if that was still what the Republican party mostly stood for, I'd probably be voting for them a lot more.
Liam.
I didn't say non-Independents can't think independently. But there is definitely a human tendency to identify with "our team", and we can see it in the extreme since 1992, when the Fox News/Rush Limbaugh/neocon cabal began demonizing the word "liberal" to the extent that there are a number of people who have bought into the idea that they are a Republican, even as they espouse values that far more closely match those of the Democratic party.
People like to belong to a group, and people like to believe in "us vs them". I've seen it at sci fi conventions, when you see a batch of people (such as myself) who have obvious psychological wedgie scars from high school forming into cliques and groups and loudly proclaiming that "you aren't a REAL fan, and don't belong here, if you don't watch anime" or "you aren't a REAL fan and don't belong here if you don't read Orson Scott Card" or... etc.
People who should know better, who know what it's like to be the "them" in "us vs. them" and yet they can't WAIT to do that to someone else the moment they have half a chance.
Since that is a core part of our make up as humans, it is easier to be willing to vote for a Republican if you don't have a knee jerk "oooh, ick, THEM" response when you hear the term.
Right now, I have that response, but I try to remind myself that it's not to REPUBLICANS, but to NEOCONS. My parents are classical Republicans, of the Goldwater stripe, they want smaller government and fiscal responsibility, but they couldn't care less whether two people of the same gender get married. And if that was still what the Republican party mostly stood for, I'd probably be voting for them a lot more.
Liam.
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 22:00:59
capt on 08/05/2008 22:00:59
Liam,
Thanks!
Thanks!
Comment by liam1965 on 08/05/2008 22:00:59
liam1965 on 08/05/2008 22:00:59
OK, I'm going to shut up now and go away for the evening. Because I'm the new guy, capt has been around a lot longer, so I'm clearly on shakier footing.
Talk to you later, folks. Hopefully tomorrow we can stay on surer ground. :-)
Talk to you later, folks. Hopefully tomorrow we can stay on surer ground. :-)
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 22:01:18
capt on 08/05/2008 22:01:18
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 22:02:16
capt on 08/05/2008 22:02:16
If someone offers you a gift, and you decline to accept it, the other person still owns that gift. The same is true of insults and verbal attacks.
~ Steve Pavlina, How to Win an Argument, 08-31-05
Comment by liam1965 on 08/05/2008 22:02:34
liam1965 on 08/05/2008 22:02:34
(On correction before I go, the "such as myself" referred to the "psychological wedgie scars", I personally always gravitated towards the "everyone is welcome, no one is excluded" groups at conventions, back when I went....)
Comment by trojanrabbit on 08/05/2008 22:04:57
trojanrabbit on 08/05/2008 22:04:57
Ugh Vista sucks!
Now that the wife has the new laptop and is on the facebook kick, she wants to scan in a bunch of photos. So after pulling the scanner out of my desk and hooking it up to her laptop, I get the good news
We (HP) do not intend to support this scanner .....
Now that the wife has the new laptop and is on the facebook kick, she wants to scan in a bunch of photos. So after pulling the scanner out of my desk and hooking it up to her laptop, I get the good news
We (HP) do not intend to support this scanner .....
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 22:08:35
XP is a better bet especially if the Vista is the "home" edition. That is the only version I have installed (on a friends unit) we eventually trashed the Vista and returned to XP - been running without error since.
FWIW
capt on 08/05/2008 22:08:35
Quote by trojanrabbit:
Ugh Vista sucks!
Now that the wife has the new laptop and is on the facebook kick, she wants to scan in a bunch of photos. So after pulling the scanner out of my desk and hooking it up to her laptop, I get the good news
We (HP) do not intend to support this scanner .....
XP is a better bet especially if the Vista is the "home" edition. That is the only version I have installed (on a friends unit) we eventually trashed the Vista and returned to XP - been running without error since.
FWIW
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 22:16:25
Oh my, did he really say that?
capt on 08/05/2008 22:16:25
Oh my, did he really say that?
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 22:26:20
capt on 08/05/2008 22:26:20
Ba da bup bup ba
Is Rupert Murdoch "Lovin' It?" McDonald's Corp. Responds to Rumors of a Corporate Policy to Exclusively Air FOX News
Not that anybody should ever eat at McDonalds. . .
Is Rupert Murdoch "Lovin' It?" McDonald's Corp. Responds to Rumors of a Corporate Policy to Exclusively Air FOX News
Not that anybody should ever eat at McDonalds. . .
Comment by trojanrabbit on 08/05/2008 22:28:10
Well, it's Home "Premium". Whatever THAT is. I'll have to check after I scan in boxes of pictures.
trojanrabbit on 08/05/2008 22:28:10
Quote by capt:Quote by trojanrabbit:
Ugh Vista sucks!
Now that the wife has the new laptop and is on the facebook kick, she wants to scan in a bunch of photos. So after pulling the scanner out of my desk and hooking it up to her laptop, I get the good news
We (HP) do not intend to support this scanner .....
XP is a better bet especially if the Vista is the "home" edition. That is the only version I have installed (on a friends unit) we eventually trashed the Vista and returned to XP - been running without error since.
FWIW
Well, it's Home "Premium". Whatever THAT is. I'll have to check after I scan in boxes of pictures.
Comment by livingonli on 08/05/2008 22:36:45
I came in here for an argument.
No, this is abuse. Arguments are next door.
Thank you veru much.
Not at all. (under breath) Stupid git.
livingonli on 08/05/2008 22:36:45
Quote by capt:If someone offers you a gift, and you decline to accept it, the other person still owns that gift. The same is true of insults and verbal attacks.
~ Steve Pavlina, How to Win an Argument, 08-31-05
I came in here for an argument.
No, this is abuse. Arguments are next door.
Thank you veru much.
Not at all. (under breath) Stupid git.
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 22:38:46
I think the premium is a better piece of software. I found the exceptions to "home" (maybe it was home basic?) online - I think MS was going to pull it so it might not even be around.
With Vista (all versions) it is all about the drivers. Well, from my rather pedestrian perspective. I know very little about it so . .
capt on 08/05/2008 22:38:46
Well, it's Home "Premium". Whatever THAT is. I'll have to check after I scan in boxes of pictures.
I think the premium is a better piece of software. I found the exceptions to "home" (maybe it was home basic?) online - I think MS was going to pull it so it might not even be around.
With Vista (all versions) it is all about the drivers. Well, from my rather pedestrian perspective. I know very little about it so . .
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 22:40:12
capt on 08/05/2008 22:40:12
Liv,
"You're just being contrary, I paid for an argument!"
"You're just being contrary, I paid for an argument!"
Comment by Raine on 08/05/2008 22:43:00
Raine on 08/05/2008 22:43:00
Back from the voting booth!
:xfingers: that the best person wins.. the one who didn't vote for GW *ush Twice...
YEs... Vernon Jones --- the democratci candidate for senate voted for Dubya 2 times... and he donated to the GOP...
I really hope that Jim Martin wins the runoff. HE has a MUCH better chance agaist saxby shameless than Vernon (menoige a trois) Jones.
Seriously. you can look it up, bad spelling and all. Vernon is a wet dream for Chambliss.
:xfingers: that the best person wins.. the one who didn't vote for GW *ush Twice...
YEs... Vernon Jones --- the democratci candidate for senate voted for Dubya 2 times... and he donated to the GOP...
I really hope that Jim Martin wins the runoff. HE has a MUCH better chance agaist saxby shameless than Vernon (menoige a trois) Jones.
Seriously. you can look it up, bad spelling and all. Vernon is a wet dream for Chambliss.
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 22:47:14
capt on 08/05/2008 22:47:14
Comment by trojanrabbit on 08/05/2008 22:50:04
trojanrabbit on 08/05/2008 22:50:04
If you want me to go on arguing you'll have to pay for another 5 minutes.
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 22:52:55
capt on 08/05/2008 22:52:55
You haven't argued, you haven't even been contrary.
If I can't get an argument I'll want a refund.
If I can't get an argument I'll want a refund.
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 22:54:36
capt on 08/05/2008 22:54:36
A B-day card for my better half from her co-worker (hint she hates ABBA)
"Tony gave me a birthday card today, and on the envelope he had written"
ABBA-ABBA
143 ABBA ST
ABBA, NM
To: Joy
From: ABBA
"Tony gave me a birthday card today, and on the envelope he had written"
ABBA-ABBA
143 ABBA ST
ABBA, NM
To: Joy
From: ABBA
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 22:57:06
capt on 08/05/2008 22:57:06
McCain has been making fun of tire pressure? Hmmmm
JedReport RAWKS!
JedReport RAWKS!
Comment by BobR on 08/05/2008 22:57:51
BobR on 08/05/2008 22:57:51
Admin request to Liam and Capt: If you're going to disagree during a discussion, please try to do so without resorting to strawman arguments, name-calling, putting words in each other's mouths, and applying unstated positions upon each other. It's okay to disagree, but respect for each other and the truth must be shown.
Thanks...
Thanks...
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 23:13:22
I didn't mean to do anything like that?
capt on 08/05/2008 23:13:22
Quote by BobR:
Admin request to Liam and Capt: If you're going to disagree during a discussion, please try to do so without resorting to strawman arguments, name-calling, putting words in each other's mouths, and applying unstated positions upon each other. It's okay to disagree, but respect for each other and the truth must be shown.
Thanks...
I didn't mean to do anything like that?
Comment by Raine on 08/05/2008 23:30:03
Don't put yourself in a place of a lessor.
This whole thing seems rather strange to read... I am confusled.
TROJAN RABBIT!
MOST importantly... When are you gonna friend me on the Facecrack???
Raine on 08/05/2008 23:30:03
Quote by liam1965:
OK, I'm going to shut up now and go away for the evening. Because I'm the new guy, capt has been around a lot longer, so I'm clearly on shakier footing.
Talk to you later, folks. Hopefully tomorrow we can stay on surer ground. :-)
This whole thing seems rather strange to read... I am confusled.
TROJAN RABBIT!
MOST importantly... When are you gonna friend me on the Facecrack???
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 23:32:19
As am I, what's the big dealio?
What did I say?
capt on 08/05/2008 23:32:19
This whole thing seems rather strange to read... I am confusled.
As am I, what's the big dealio?
What did I say?
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 23:35:21
I would have posted the same thing but thought it wouldn't be taken in the spirit I would have meant it.
Do you guys think I use right wing tactics?
capt on 08/05/2008 23:35:21
Don't put yourself in a place of a lessor.
I would have posted the same thing but thought it wouldn't be taken in the spirit I would have meant it.
Do you guys think I use right wing tactics?
Comment by liam1965 on 08/05/2008 23:45:58
liam1965 on 08/05/2008 23:45:58
(crawls back in as he crawls in to bed)...
I'm sorry. I think I mentioned I have shingles again. I slept about 2 hours last night (fell asleep around 5:45 and have to get up for work before 8), so the combination has me a little cranky and possibly not seeing things correctly.
I probably took too much offense at the repeated meme "Independents can't organize", which was probably intended as a joke, but which in pain and exhaustion sounded more like a case of "I'm going to define away your position with clever semantics and then ridicule you for a position you don't hold", and when that's done intentionally, it's very much a right wing tactic. However, as I say, on re-reading, it seems clear Capt was having a little gentle fun at my expense and I read it wrong.
When I realized that I was A) probably going overboard, B ) not getting any sort of support (which helped me to figure out the first) and C) have only been on this board for about a week now, it seemed prudent to shut the hell up and go away, before everyone decided for me that it was time I shut the hell up and go away.
I'm dozing off as I write this as well, so I'm probably not making sense and will have to come back and apologize again tomorrow.
Sorry.
I'm sorry. I think I mentioned I have shingles again. I slept about 2 hours last night (fell asleep around 5:45 and have to get up for work before 8), so the combination has me a little cranky and possibly not seeing things correctly.
I probably took too much offense at the repeated meme "Independents can't organize", which was probably intended as a joke, but which in pain and exhaustion sounded more like a case of "I'm going to define away your position with clever semantics and then ridicule you for a position you don't hold", and when that's done intentionally, it's very much a right wing tactic. However, as I say, on re-reading, it seems clear Capt was having a little gentle fun at my expense and I read it wrong.
When I realized that I was A) probably going overboard, B ) not getting any sort of support (which helped me to figure out the first) and C) have only been on this board for about a week now, it seemed prudent to shut the hell up and go away, before everyone decided for me that it was time I shut the hell up and go away.
I'm dozing off as I write this as well, so I'm probably not making sense and will have to come back and apologize again tomorrow.
Sorry.
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 23:52:57
capt on 08/05/2008 23:52:57
Comment by capt on 08/05/2008 23:59:05
Ouch!
How do I change that?
capt on 08/05/2008 23:59:05
Do you guys think I use right wing tactics?
Ouch!
How do I change that?
Comment by capt on 08/06/2008 00:25:18
capt on 08/06/2008 00:25:18
FBI used aggressive tactics in anthrax probe
That is not an investigation. When the FBI is trying to "buy" evidence it is clearly an offer to frame someone.
That is not an investigation. When the FBI is trying to "buy" evidence it is clearly an offer to frame someone.
Comment by 
Random on 08/06/2008 00:25:59
Random has a personal vendetta against Vista.
Random on 08/06/2008 00:25:59
Quote by trojanrabbit:Quote by capt:Quote by trojanrabbit:
Ugh Vista sucks!
Now that the wife has the new laptop and is on the facebook kick, she wants to scan in a bunch of photos. So after pulling the scanner out of my desk and hooking it up to her laptop, I get the good news
We (HP) do not intend to support this scanner .....
XP is a better bet especially if the Vista is the "home" edition. That is the only version I have installed (on a friends unit) we eventually trashed the Vista and returned to XP - been running without error since.
FWIW
Well, it's Home "Premium". Whatever THAT is. I'll have to check after I scan in boxes of pictures.
Random has a personal vendetta against Vista.
Comment by Random on 08/06/2008 00:30:30
Random on 08/06/2008 00:30:30
Argument...Did random miss a chance to argue pointlessly?
Comment by livingonli on 08/06/2008 00:32:36
livingonli on 08/06/2008 00:32:36
Evening Random. It seems like Donnie was scared away today.
Comment by Raine on 08/06/2008 00:33:20
Raine on 08/06/2008 00:33:20
Ok... TIME OUT!!!
capt and liam... you guys are fine. Totally fine. (I think mercury is in retroggrade or something.)
No capt, you don't use RW tactics. No liam -- you don't have to defend being an independent. I think something got lost in translation.
And I would say that this is the ONLY thing that you need to translate:
So, SNAP OUT OF IT!
:hug:
capt and liam... you guys are fine. Totally fine. (I think mercury is in retroggrade or something.)
No capt, you don't use RW tactics. No liam -- you don't have to defend being an independent. I think something got lost in translation.
And I would say that this is the ONLY thing that you need to translate:
So, SNAP OUT OF IT!
:hug:
Comment by trojanrabbit on 08/06/2008 00:33:56
Um...sorry, had to get Mama as a friend first? Yeah, that's it.
trojanrabbit on 08/06/2008 00:33:56
Quote by Raine:Don't put yourself in a place of a lessor.Quote by liam1965:
OK, I'm going to shut up now and go away for the evening. Because I'm the new guy, capt has been around a lot longer, so I'm clearly on shakier footing.
Talk to you later, folks. Hopefully tomorrow we can stay on surer ground. :-)
This whole thing seems rather strange to read... I am confusled.
TROJAN RABBIT!
MOST importantly... When are you gonna friend me on the Facecrack???
Um...sorry, had to get Mama as a friend first? Yeah, that's it.
Comment by BobR on 08/06/2008 00:33:56
BobR on 08/06/2008 00:33:56
okay folks, jeez, I was just trying to keep the peace. It seemed to me that the conversation had gotten into a "you said this" - "I didn't say that" mode, which is a surefire conversation killer.
Although I love everyone here, as one of the 3 admins, sometimes I have to put that hat on and say "settle down Beavis!" It's not meant to put anyone on the defensive, merely meant to remind everyone to just take a breath.
Oh - and don't assume.
Although I love everyone here, as one of the 3 admins, sometimes I have to put that hat on and say "settle down Beavis!" It's not meant to put anyone on the defensive, merely meant to remind everyone to just take a breath.
Oh - and don't assume.
Comment by Random on 08/06/2008 00:34:28
Cool....so was it Random or someone else...We'll never know.
Random on 08/06/2008 00:34:28
Quote by livingonli:
Evening Random. It seems like Donnie was scared away today.
Cool....so was it Random or someone else...We'll never know.
Comment by trojanrabbit on 08/06/2008 00:36:30
trojanrabbit on 08/06/2008 00:36:30
Wait, did you actually send me a request and I didn't answer? or are you waiting for one from me? i'm getting confused because i'm doing way too much multitasking now
Comment by Raine on 08/06/2008 00:36:33
Forget the apology... just show up... tomorrow is another day, dude!
Raine on 08/06/2008 00:36:33
Quote by liam1965:
(crawls back in as he crawls in to bed)...
I'm sorry. I think I mentioned I have shingles again. I slept about 2 hours last night (fell asleep around 5:45 and have to get up for work before 8), so the combination has me a little cranky and possibly not seeing things correctly.
I probably took too much offense at the repeated meme "Independents can't organize", which was probably intended as a joke, but which in pain and exhaustion sounded more like a case of "I'm going to define away your position with clever semantics and then ridicule you for a position you don't hold", and when that's done intentionally, it's very much a right wing tactic. However, as I say, on re-reading, it seems clear Capt was having a little gentle fun at my expense and I read it wrong.
When I realized that I was A) probably going overboard, B ) not getting any sort of support (which helped me to figure out the first) and C) have only been on this board for about a week now, it seemed prudent to shut the hell up and go away, before everyone decided for me that it was time I shut the hell up and go away.
I'm dozing off as I write this as well, so I'm probably not making sense and will have to come back and apologize again tomorrow.
Sorry.
Comment by BobR on 08/06/2008 00:36:52
You can edit a comment by clicking on the "E" button in the comment title.
BobR on 08/06/2008 00:36:52
Quote by capt:
Ouch!
How do I change that?
You can edit a comment by clicking on the "E" button in the comment title.
Comment by Random on 08/06/2008 00:37:34
Waait...What happened...in dark. Is it bad to be independent now?
Random on 08/06/2008 00:37:34
Quote by Raine:
Ok... TIME OUT!!!
capt and liam... you guys are fine. Totally fine. (I think mercury is in retroggrade or something.)
No capt, you don't use RW tactics. No liam -- you don't have to defend being an independent. I think something got lost in translation.
And I would say that this is the ONLY thing that you need to translate:
So, SNAP OUT OF IT!
:hug:
Waait...What happened...in dark. Is it bad to be independent now?
Comment by trojanrabbit on 08/06/2008 00:52:05
You asked for it.....
trojanrabbit on 08/06/2008 00:52:05
Quote by Raine:
TROJAN RABBIT!
MOST importantly... When are you gonna friend me on the Facecrack???
You asked for it.....
Comment by livingonli on 08/06/2008 00:54:18
I just think it was a discussion on the meaning of being independent that got misinterpreted. I don't have any problems with independents, just Republicans especially the Bush/Cheney-loving neo-cons and their ilk.
livingonli on 08/06/2008 00:54:18
Quote by Random:Quote by Raine:
Ok... TIME OUT!!!
capt and liam... you guys are fine. Totally fine. (I think mercury is in retroggrade or something.)
No capt, you don't use RW tactics. No liam -- you don't have to defend being an independent. I think something got lost in translation.
And I would say that this is the ONLY thing that you need to translate:
So, SNAP OUT OF IT!
:hug:
Waait...What happened...in dark. Is it bad to be independent now?
I just think it was a discussion on the meaning of being independent that got misinterpreted. I don't have any problems with independents, just Republicans especially the Bush/Cheney-loving neo-cons and their ilk.
Comment by capt on 08/06/2008 00:54:38
capt on 08/06/2008 00:54:38
Lifetime TV poll: Women say Clinton didn't lose because of her gender
A new poll of 500 women, conducted July 25-29 for Lifetime TV, finds that most reject the idea that Hillary Clinton lost the Democratic nomination over her gender.
For all the to-do about sexism, Lifetime says, only 21% in the poll said Clinton lost "because she is a woman;" 34% said she lost "because of the kind of campaign she ran" and 31% said because of "who she is and what she stands for."
****
I never disliked HRC I just never warmed up to her. Nothing she or her campaign did ever helped me with that indifference.
If Barack didn't run, who do you think would have given HRC a run for the money or would it have been a walk on for her?
I think Dodd is the most likely but it would never come as close as HRC vs. Barack.
A new poll of 500 women, conducted July 25-29 for Lifetime TV, finds that most reject the idea that Hillary Clinton lost the Democratic nomination over her gender.
For all the to-do about sexism, Lifetime says, only 21% in the poll said Clinton lost "because she is a woman;" 34% said she lost "because of the kind of campaign she ran" and 31% said because of "who she is and what she stands for."
****
I never disliked HRC I just never warmed up to her. Nothing she or her campaign did ever helped me with that indifference.
If Barack didn't run, who do you think would have given HRC a run for the money or would it have been a walk on for her?
I think Dodd is the most likely but it would never come as close as HRC vs. Barack.
Comment by capt on 08/06/2008 00:57:08
capt on 08/06/2008 00:57:08
Comment by Random on 08/06/2008 00:58:47
Well, i take a general offence to that.
Republicans aren't bad, nor are they wrong, in their basic philosophy of less government. It's just a different mean to an end that if mixed properly with the general liberal idea that Government should control everything.
Random on 08/06/2008 00:58:47
Quote by livingonli:Quote by Random:Quote by Raine:
Ok... TIME OUT!!!
capt and liam... you guys are fine. Totally fine. (I think mercury is in retroggrade or something.)
No capt, you don't use RW tactics. No liam -- you don't have to defend being an independent. I think something got lost in translation.
And I would say that this is the ONLY thing that you need to translate:
So, SNAP OUT OF IT!
:hug:
Waait...What happened...in dark. Is it bad to be independent now?
I just think it was a discussion on the meaning of being independent that got misinterpreted. I don't have any problems with independents, just Republicans especially the Bush/Cheney-loving neo-cons and their ilk.
Well, i take a general offence to that.
Republicans aren't bad, nor are they wrong, in their basic philosophy of less government. It's just a different mean to an end that if mixed properly with the general liberal idea that Government should control everything.
Comment by Mondobubba on 08/06/2008 01:14:31
Mondobubba on 08/06/2008 01:14:31
Evening all. My my I missed internecine blog warfare. I do hope everybody has kisses and or akwardly man-hugged and made up. 
Comment by Random on 08/06/2008 01:18:45
Random disliked HRC.
Random on 08/06/2008 01:18:45
Quote by capt:
I never disliked HRC I just never warmed up to her. Nothing she or her campaign did ever helped me with that indifference.
Random disliked HRC.
Comment by Random on 08/06/2008 01:20:28
I like ackward man-hugs. especially when one of the mans has held back going to bathroom for a long time.
...You know what i mean.
Random on 08/06/2008 01:20:28
Quote by Mondobubba:
Evening all. My my I missed internecine blog warfare. I do hope everybody has kisses and or akwardly man-hugged and made up.
I like ackward man-hugs. especially when one of the mans has held back going to bathroom for a long time.
...You know what i mean.
Comment by livingonli on 08/06/2008 01:23:48
livingonli on 08/06/2008 01:23:48
We're big on awkward man hugs here 
And I'm big on chocolate, although it was probably chocolate that made me big.
I think we need a burp emoticon.
And I'm big on chocolate, although it was probably chocolate that made me big.
I think we need a burp emoticon.
Comment by capt on 08/06/2008 01:31:49
capt on 08/06/2008 01:31:49
McCain to outspend Obama on Olympic ads
Now I will have to record everything I want to see so I can jump the commercials. I feel badly for anybody that doesn't have a Tivo or DVR.
Now I will have to record everything I want to see so I can jump the commercials. I feel badly for anybody that doesn't have a Tivo or DVR.
Comment by IzzyBitz on 08/06/2008 01:43:10
IzzyBitz on 08/06/2008 01:43:10
Me thinks the boys need to put their testes back in the barracks. :snaps gum, flips hair: 
Comment by Random on 08/06/2008 01:43:21
Who watches the Olympics? I mean...seriously. If it were the Super Bowl, i'd be a bit...concerned.
But the Olympics? When the thing airs, it's in the middle of the night. And no one sits and watches the thing front to back and eats chips and pork-rinds like it's the Super-bowl.
Random on 08/06/2008 01:43:21
Quote by capt:
McCain to outspend Obama on Olympic ads
Now I will have to record everything I want to see so I can jump the commercials. I feel badly for anybody that doesn't have a Tivo or DVR.
Who watches the Olympics? I mean...seriously. If it were the Super Bowl, i'd be a bit...concerned.
But the Olympics? When the thing airs, it's in the middle of the night. And no one sits and watches the thing front to back and eats chips and pork-rinds like it's the Super-bowl.
Comment by capt on 08/06/2008 01:50:00
capt on 08/06/2008 01:50:00
Comment by livingonli on 08/06/2008 01:57:18
livingonli on 08/06/2008 01:57:18
The problem with the Olympics is that NBC's coverage usually sucks. They tend to run those human interest puff pieces and then don't cover the events not to mention that they cover most of the events on delay so they can be shown in prime time on the East Coast. I remember when many people wanted to see CBC's coverage of the Olympics because anyone who sees it always says that its better.
Comment by Random on 08/06/2008 02:06:40
Well, i hate to say it, but people in the states don't care about the Olympics, and with all this bullshit protesting this year, even less care, or will purposly not watch.
Random on 08/06/2008 02:06:40
Quote by livingonli:
The problem with the Olympics is that NBC's coverage usually sucks. They tend to run those human interest puff pieces and then don't cover the events not to mention that they cover most of the events on delay so they can be shown in prime time on the East Coast. I remember when many people wanted to see CBC's coverage of the Olympics because anyone who sees it always says that its better.
Well, i hate to say it, but people in the states don't care about the Olympics, and with all this bullshit protesting this year, even less care, or will purposly not watch.
Comment by 
clintster on 08/06/2008 02:24:53
clintster on 08/06/2008 02:24:53
Checking in
Throat sore
Dog tired
Rehearsals good
Classes okay
Many kids
MA-A-A-A-ANY kids
Feeling age
Still alive
Building intact
GOOD DAY!
Laryngitis sucks
Sucks rocks
Sucks boulders
Sucks mascons
Missin' y'alls
Settling in
More later
So sleepy
Night night!
Throat sore
Dog tired
Rehearsals good
Classes okay
Many kids
MA-A-A-A-ANY kids
Feeling age
Still alive
Building intact
GOOD DAY!
Laryngitis sucks
Sucks rocks
Sucks boulders
Sucks mascons
Missin' y'alls
Settling in
More later
So sleepy
Night night!
Comment by trojanrabbit on 08/06/2008 02:25:21
trojanrabbit on 08/06/2008 02:25:21
What are these Olympics of which you speak? My uncle had a 21" Olympic
Comment by Mondobubba on 08/06/2008 02:31:06
Mondobubba on 08/06/2008 02:31:06
Paris Hilton making sense? Huh? 
Comment by Raine on 08/06/2008 02:51:20
We are friends! I sent out suggestions to a few people that I know you knopw... ( )
Raine on 08/06/2008 02:51:20
Quote by trojanrabbit:
Wait, did you actually send me a request and I didn't answer? or are you waiting for one from me? i'm getting confused because i'm doing way too much multitasking now
We are friends! I sent out suggestions to a few people that I know you knopw... (
)
Comment by Mondobubba on 08/06/2008 02:56:53
Mondobubba on 08/06/2008 02:56:53
:rofl: Dr Maddow blushing on KO. :rofl:
Comment by Raine on 08/06/2008 03:05:09
You sound ALMOST as smart as paris hilton! Seriously.... she scared me tonite. in a good way... Look: Here is the link...
:rofl:
That is what Barack Obama has been trying to say!!!
Raine on 08/06/2008 03:05:09
Quote by IzzyBitz:
Me thinks the boys need to put their testes back in the barracks. :snaps gum, flips hair:
You sound ALMOST as smart as paris hilton! Seriously.... she scared me tonite. in a good way... Look: Here is the link...
:rofl:
That is what Barack Obama has been trying to say!!!
Comment by trojanrabbit on 08/06/2008 03:06:50
Yes, we are!
Hmm. 11 o'clock?!!?!!?? Now I know why you call it Facecrack. 
trojanrabbit on 08/06/2008 03:06:50
Quote by Raine:Quote by trojanrabbit:
Wait, did you actually send me a request and I didn't answer? or are you waiting for one from me? i'm getting confused because i'm doing way too much multitasking now
We are friends! I sent out suggestions to a few people that I know you knopw... (
Yes, we are!
Hmm. 11 o'clock?!!?!!?? Now I know why you call it Facecrack.
Comment by Raine on 08/06/2008 03:08:01
Raine on 08/06/2008 03:08:01
OK, the embed did not work... but DAYUM...that is some funny shite to read!!
Comment by Raine on 08/06/2008 03:11:13
Raine on 08/06/2008 03:11:13
HEy Rabbit... errrr.. kettle... meet Pot...
Comment by trojanrabbit on 08/06/2008 03:22:18
trojanrabbit on 08/06/2008 03:22:18
Well I think I'm going to go to sleep now. Bon appetit.
SAVE THE LIVER!!
SAVE THE LIVER!!
Comment by Mondobubba on 08/06/2008 03:54:23
That is the most cojent comment on energy policy I have this summer. Scary ain't it?
Mondobubba on 08/06/2008 03:54:23
Quote by Raine:Quote by IzzyBitz:
Me thinks the boys need to put their testes back in the barracks. :snaps gum, flips hair:
You sound ALMOST as smart as paris hilton! Seriously.... she scared me tonite. in a good way... Look: Here is the link...
:rofl:
That is what Barack Obama has been trying to say!!!
That is the most cojent comment on energy policy I have this summer. Scary ain't it?
Comment by capt on 08/06/2008 04:47:03
capt on 08/06/2008 04:47:03
Comment by capt on 08/06/2008 04:48:04
capt on 08/06/2008 04:48:04
Comment by capt on 08/06/2008 04:49:38
capt on 08/06/2008 04:49:38