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Libertarian Saturday
Author: TriSec    Date: 11/03/2007 13:37:53

Good Morning!

New England is in full-on "storm panic" this morning. Hurricane Noel is brushing by the outer cape today, and the news has branded it "as bad as the Perfect Storm", so there isn't a gallon of milk or a loaf of bread to be found in the six-state region. Somehow, I think we'll be OK, but we are expecting up to 3 inches of rain and wind over 50 mph for most of the day.


If you still subscribe to Time magazine, you may have seen a little essay in the October 18th issue called "Libertarians Rising". While I don't have a link, there was a little blurb in this weeks' Liberator Online...
"Libertarians Rising."

No, that's not the title of a new libertarian outreach pamphlet.

It's an essay in the October 18 issue of TIME magazine -- written by no less than Michael Kinsley, one of America's most respected and astute political commentators.

Now Kinsley is no libertarian. He's a liberal. And that makes his essay all the more significant.

Kinsley argues that two strong impulses are emerging in American politics: libertarianism and communitarianism. Communitarians, Kinsley explains, "believe that group responsibilities (to family, community, nation, the globe) should trump individual rights."

He contrasts that to libertarianism, which stresses individual rights.

Which philosophy -- libertarianism or communitarianism -- will ultimately win America's political debate?

"My money's on the libertarians," says the liberal Kinsley.

"People were shocked a couple of weeks ago when Ron Paul ... raised $5 million from July through September, mostly on the Internet. Paul is a libertarian. In fact, he was the Libertarian Party presidential candidate in 1988. The computer revolution has bred a generation of smart loners, many of them rich and some of them complacently Darwinian, convinced that they don't need society -- nor should anyone else. They are going to be an increasingly powerful force in politics."

Kinsley's article rehashes some silly and tired old falsehoods about libertarians, like that one -- the notion that libertarians are "Darwinists" or "loners... convinced that they don't need society" and so on.

But never mind that. Libertarians have ready answers to these fallacies -- and no doubt Kinsley is already getting a fast education.

What's important is that this article, by one of America's leading political writers, in one of America's most widely read news magazines, is yet another striking example of how libertarian ideas are rapidly winning converts, being taken seriously, and becoming a MAJOR part of the American political debate. And that's great news indeed!

Oh, one more *delicious* irony.

You'll love this.

Kinsley crankily says libertarians are "earnest and impractical -- eager to corner you with their plan for ... solving the traffic mess by privatizing stoplights."

Well, in that very same issue of TIME, there's an excellent article entitled "Who Really Owns the Roads?" And it's about -- yes -- the growing trend towards privatizing highways.

And the article quotes "Bob Poole, director of transportation studies at the Reason Foundation, a think tank."

Reason might be more precisely described as a *libertarian* think tank. And Bob Poole has been a libertarian leader since the 1960s.

"Libertarians Rising" indeed!




Ah, the candidate we all hate to love, Ron Paul (R-TX), has introduced a new piece of legislation called "The America Freedom Agenda Act". While it sounds pure right-wing, there are some interesting points that are being made...

Even as his presidential race gathers steam, libertarian U.S. Congressman Ron Paul (R-TX) has introduced an extraordinary new bill that some are saying may be the most important legislation of our time.

It is called "The American Freedom Agenda Act of 2007," and, as Ron Paul says, it is intended to "restore the American Constitution and to restore the liberties that have been sadly eroded over the past several years."

This straight-to-the-point three-page bill is brilliantly calculated to win support from freedom-minded liberals, conservatives, and libertarians alike -- from all who have been alarmed by the growing authoritarianism of the past few years.

The American Freedom Agenda Act will:

* Restore the right to habeas corpus (the right to face criminal accusations in a court of law) by repealing the Military Commissions Act;
* Halt warrantless eavesdropping and spying on American citizens by requiring federal intelligence gathering to be conducted in accordance with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA);
* Give Congress the ability to challenge the President's monarchical use of "signing statements" to avoid executing the nation's laws;
* Bar the use of evidence obtained through torture;
* Prohibit torture and arbitrary kidnapping and secret imprisonment;
* Protect the First Amendment rights of journalists who expose wrongdoing by the Federal government "unless the publication would cause direct, immediate, and irreparable harm" to national security;
* Prohibit the use of secret evidence to label groups or individuals as terrorists for the purpose of criminal or civil sanctions.

In short, the Act would, in one grand stroke, restore many of our precious constitutional rights and liberties that have been gutted or curtailed in recent years.

The bill is generating excitement and endorsements from across the political spectrum.

Naomi Wolf, a bestselling liberal author and journalist, sums it up:

"There is no way to overstate how crucial this piece of legislation is. ... A groundswell of millions of Americans of all parties rising up to insist on passage of the AFA legislation means that we are awake -- we get it -- and that we assert that an alert citizenry, not a whipped-dog Congress or a violently abusive executive, decides what happens in this nation still. ... I will move heaven and earth to support the passage of this lifesaving agenda.

"This is the answer both to those who say 'What can we do?' and to those who claim (actually, sometimes whine) 'there is nothing we can do.'

"[T]his beautifully argued document feels historic and has the ring of great power to correct great injustice."

Prominent conservatives praising the legislation include former Reagan administration lawyer Bruce Fein, legendary Republican strategist Richard Viguerie, and American Conservative Union chairman David Keene.

Our friends at DownsizeDC have a Web page where you can learn more about the American Freedom Agenda Act of 2007, and, if you wish, send an email to your congressional representatives urging them to support this legislation:
http://action.downsizedc.org/

(Sources: Naomi Wolf:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/naomi-wolf/finally-action-ron-pau_b_69042.html
American Freedom Agenda:
http://www.americanfreedomagenda.org )



In our things that make you go "Huh?" department, did you have a Jack-o-Lantern on your front stoop this week? Did you pay taxes on it when you bought it? Of course not, it's a pumpkin! Well.....not quite.
The tax vampires at the Iowa Department of Revenue are playing a nasty Halloween trick this year. They've decided to tax Halloween pumpkins -- on the grounds they are used for decoration instead of food.

Reports the Des Moines Register:

"The Iowa Department of Revenue is taxing jack-o'-lanterns this Halloween. The new department policy was implemented after officials decided that pumpkins are used primarily for Halloween decorations, not food, and should be taxed, said Renee Mulvey, the department's spokeswoman.

"Previously, pumpkins had been considered an edible squash and exempted from the tax.

"The department ruled this year that pumpkins are taxable -- with some exceptions -- if they are advertised for use as jack-'o-lanterns or decorations."

Yes, there's a loophole:

"Iowans planning to eat pumpkins can still get a tax exemption if they fill out a form."

Filling out a form -- the perfect bureaucratic solution!




And we'll round out our day with the long-running feature, why aren't YOU a libertarian...featuring the wit and wisdom of Dr. Mary Ruwart.

Should we "buy American"?

QUESTION: I'm a college student in speech class, and I have to oppose a speech that states that we should only buy American-made goods. What is your opinion on this?

MY SHORT ANSWER: People should be free to spend their own money in any peaceful way they wish. However, paying more than you need to by 'buying American' means that you have less money to spend on other domestic products.

Thus, by subsidizing inefficient American producers, you are destroying American jobs in industries that are more internationally competitive. Clearly, this is detrimental to the economy and the country as a whole.

* * *

Private ownership of the airwaves?

QUESTION: How would a libertarian society handle radio channel management? Without some sort of government spectrum management, all I can see is chaos on our radio -- with every radio entity trying to trample each other, including commercial broadcast, defense bands, emergency/rescue bands, aviation and marine bands, etc.

MY SHORT ANSWER: In a libertarian society, a particular frequency would be "homesteaded" much like land in the American West once was. Each frequency would become the property of the first to establish regular use. Indeed, this is exactly what happened historically in the early days of broadcasting. However, governments later refused to recognize the first users as owners, claimed the frequencies for themselves, and rented (licensed) them out.

Had radio frequencies remained in private hands, owners could sell access to the frequency (and defend it) just as any property owner might. Any radio entity that tried to broadcast over an owned frequency would be subject to prosecution for trespass.



So....

As long as the power is on and the internets are working, I'll be here all day.

 

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Comment by velveeta jones on 11/03/2007 14:06:29
Lucky you........with the internet service! Hahahahaha. I must drag my craptop from coffee house to coffeehouse! It sucks having no internet or cable teevee!



Really, I do hope you get to keep your power and you're safe. Did you pay attention to Velveeta's survival/disaster planning guide post back on that 'other' message board (I think it was AAP)? If you did...........then you should be set!!



As for Libertarians...........I don't know that much about them. Seems like a white man kinda party. They appear to be big on rights for individuals who are also male and white. Women? Not so much. That's my perception, and if I'm wrong, then they need better marketing.





Comment by Mondobubba on 11/03/2007 14:07:48
Morning all.

Comment by TriSec on 11/03/2007 15:11:10
Well Velveeta, do take some time and read the party platform...



Preamble



As Libertarians, we seek a world of liberty; a world in which all individuals are sovereign over their own lives and no one is forced to sacrifice his or her values for the benefit of others.



We believe that respect for individual rights is the essential precondition for a free and prosperous world, that force and fraud must be banished from human relationships, and that only through freedom can peace and prosperity be realized.



Consequently, we defend each person's right to engage in any activity that is peaceful and honest, and welcome the diversity that freedom brings. The world we seek to build is one where individuals are free to follow their own dreams in their own ways, without interference from government or any authoritarian power.



In the following pages we have set forth our basic principles and enumerated various policy stands derived from those principles.



These specific policies are not our goal, however. Our goal is nothing more nor less than a world set free in our lifetime, and it is to this end that we take these stands.






Comment by livingonli on 11/03/2007 16:23:36
Greetings from the salt mine. Doing another OT shift to help pay the bills.

Comment by livingonli on 11/03/2007 16:55:45
Comment by MMB on 11/03/2007 19:02:14
Good Afternoon Everone! Hope your Saturday is going well.

Comment by TriSec on 11/03/2007 19:37:52
Well gang, I'd have to categorize today's "hurricane" as a bust.



It's been raining, yes...but it's been dead calm most of the day.



Typical New England Weatherman Histrionics™, IMHO.





Comment by livingonli on 11/03/2007 19:43:27
All weathermen seem to be like that. All we got down here is some wind and a few drizzles further east. But the Weather Channel did send one of their people to Montauk.

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/03/2007 20:25:04
Quote by TriSec:

Well gang, I'd have to categorize today's "hurricane" as a bust.



It's been raining, yes...but it's been dead calm most of the day.



Typical New England Weatherman Histrionics™, IMHO.







Hmmm let me sum up as I think they might have been saying:



STORM! WIND! RAIN! BOO! MILK! TOILETPAPER! PLYWOOD! BOO!

Comment by TriSec on 11/03/2007 21:13:32
Actually, the script reads BREAD! MILK! PANIC!!



But that's close enough.





Comment by Raine on 11/03/2007 21:21:49
So how is the weather doing there tri? has the storm come on land yet?

Comment by Raine on 11/03/2007 21:23:16
My goodness many wonderful apearances today!

Comment by livingonli on 11/03/2007 21:57:05
Why do the Cowboys keep getting the Sunday Night Football slot?

Comment by livingonli on 11/03/2007 22:24:48
Tonight I have Rangers-Devils at work.

Comment by Raine on 11/03/2007 23:35:15
Quote by livingonli: Why do the Cowboys keep getting the Sunday Night Football slot?
Becauae they are *America's Team"?

Comment by Raine on 11/03/2007 23:38:18
BTW: (in case no one noticed)

Comment by BobR on 11/03/2007 23:39:30
Quote by Raine:

BTW: (in case no one noticed)


You can consult the Emoticon Request Thread for more info...

Comment by Raine on 11/03/2007 23:42:33
BTW, for anyone who watches CBS Sunday Morning... (9 am to 1030 am) they are doing a segemtn about Joni Mitchel, My friends LArry and MArko did the set design for her art exhibit which will be part of the segment!

Comment by livingonli on 11/04/2007 00:32:42
New Emoticons.

Comment by TriSec on 11/04/2007 01:07:12
*grunt*



No Mondo tonight?



The BC Liberals are facing off against the Florida State Cletuses, I figure he'd have a snarky comment or two...



:kickcan:





Comment by Mondobubba on 11/04/2007 01:10:04
Quote by TriSec:

Actually, the script reads BREAD! MILK! PANIC!!



But that's close enough.







What they don't use toilet paper in in Massachusetts? Ewww? Snarky enough for ya?



:rofl:



BTW, Its the University of Florida Cletuses, not the FSU Cletuses

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/04/2007 01:10:46




Me LIKEE!

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/04/2007 01:11:40
Quote by Raine:

BTW: (in case no one noticed)






You think we can use the weed one to recruit Scoop?

Comment by livingonli on 11/04/2007 01:11:54
How about a snarky comment for Versus giving Dennis Miller a show where he can talk about sports.



Didn't anyone learn from Monday Night Football, chachi?

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/04/2007 01:13:42
Quote by TriSec:

*grunt*



No Mondo tonight?



The BC Liberals are facing off against the Florida State Cletuses, I figure he'd have a snarky comment or two...



:kickcan:









Meh, it is the ACC, Tri. I'm an SEC kinda guy. Go Dawgs!

Comment by livingonli on 11/04/2007 01:16:52
Did the blog time go forward?

Comment by TriSec on 11/04/2007 01:21:10
Harrumph.



I'm big with the ACC, but for basketball. I know little of their football issues.





Comment by TriSec on 11/04/2007 01:22:44
Say, did all the buttons break?



I'm trying to post a picture from the storm today, but nothing is popping up...





Comment by Mondobubba on 11/04/2007 01:23:26
Quote by TriSec:

Harrumph.



I'm big with the ACC, but for basketball. I know little of their football issues.







Now round ball is a different thing. I am down with the ACC when it comes to that. If I deign to pay attention.

Comment by livingonli on 11/04/2007 01:26:50
Quote by TriSec:

Say, did all the buttons break?



I'm trying to post a picture from the storm today, but nothing is popping up...





I just tested. Saw the same thing.

Comment by Raine on 11/04/2007 01:36:43
I have informed our IT guy. and he shall correct the sitch asap. I have a few pictures I would like to post as well!

Comment by MMB on 11/04/2007 01:36:50
Hey Mondo, The big dawgs won today 44-34!! Bark,Growl,RFRFRFRF and any you can come up with. GO YOU HAIRY DAWGS!!!!!!

Comment by Raine on 11/04/2007 01:38:08
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by TriSec: *grunt* No Mondo tonight? The BC Liberals are facing off against the Florida State Cletuses, I figure he'd have a snarky comment or two... :kickcan:
Meh, it is the ACC, Tri. I'm an SEC kinda guy. Go Dawgs!
:puke: Buzz buzz! :D

Comment by Raine on 11/04/2007 01:39:22
Quote by MMB: Hey Mondo, The big dawgs won today 44-34!! Bark,Growl,RFRFRFRF and any you can come up with. GO YOU HAIRY DAWGS!!!!!!
Raine apologizes (please cue up girl from ipanama) for her previous pukey comment... I am glad that the dawgs wn thier homecoming game today. :peace:

Comment by Raine on 11/04/2007 01:40:00
les butoons out to be functioning in a few moments.

Comment by livingonli on 11/04/2007 01:42:39
Rangers beat the Devils in a shootout.

Comment by Raine on 11/04/2007 01:43:13
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y59/raine1967/4bea0ce3.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y59/raine1967/45385f8f.jpg
And here is the set that my friend designed... you can catch it tommorrow morn on the TV mosheen!
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y59/raine1967/a0f47bf8.jpg
(see the TV crew? tres cool for Larry!)
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y59/raine1967/fb7d190e.jpg


Comment by Raine on 11/04/2007 01:44:09
Quote by Raine:
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y59/raine1967/4bea0ce3.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y59/raine1967/45385f8f.jpg
And here is the set that my friend designed... you can catch it tommorrow morn on the TV mosheen!
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y59/raine1967/a0f47bf8.jpg
(see the TV crew? tres cool for Larry!)
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y59/raine1967/fb7d190e.jpg
Please note, I just posted these pictures manually....

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/04/2007 01:44:13
http://youtube.com/watch?v=hc8nLN6IxiM Okay it is Ella singing the boy from ipanima.

Comment by Raine on 11/04/2007 01:49:00
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Okay it is Ella singing the boy from ipanima.
Fixity.
And if I may say... PERFECTO!

Comment by BobR on 11/04/2007 01:49:50
sorry folks - I made some code changes to add some features and make the underlying code more modular. In the lines that make the buttons, I changed some single-quotes to double-quotes, and the javascript didn't like it. I've changed them back and it seems to be working now.



You may need to force refresh the page (go to another page and come back) to get the page correctly...



Once again: The Management apologizes for any inconvenience incurred...

Comment by TriSec on 11/04/2007 01:53:22
Ah!



Some storm stuff from today. This is on the Vineyard...



http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2007/11/03/1194112773_3515-2.jpg




And here's Braintree...



http://www.boston.com/news/globe/city_region/breaking_news/DSC02788.JPG




Tens of thousands of residents reported power outages by late this afternoon, as the remnants of Tropical Storm Noel whipped southern New England with high winds and heavy rains.



About 33,000 NStar customers on Cape Cod and the South Shore reported outages. Additional crews were dispatched to the hardest hit areas, the utility reported.



Outages also occurred throughout New Bedford and greater Boston, NStar reported on its website. On Nantucket, a brief outage impacted 2,600 National Grid customers, but it was quickly fixed, the utility said.



The storm produced winds on the Cape and the islands that were so strong that the National Weather Service said residents should consider it a hurricane. The experts warned people not to try to travel in the tempest.



The weather service warned of moderate coastal flooding on the Cape and Nantucket and minor flooding in other areas of the coast.



The good news from weather experts is that winds are expected to begin diminishing at around 10 p.m. And wind speeds have been much slower away from the Cape and islands. The rain will exit by midnight. And lots of sunshine is forecast for tomorrow.


Comment by Raine on 11/04/2007 01:54:59
testing buttons...


Comment by Raine on 11/04/2007 01:56:16
I hope scoop is alright... holed nicely with a good

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/04/2007 01:56:30
Quote by Raine:

Quote by Raine:

Quote by Mondobubba:

Okay it is Ella singing the boy from ipanima.


Fixity.


And if I may say... PERFECTO!






I coulda gone with some Brazilian, but I figured Ella would be spot on.



Raine & Bobber Wire season 1 Quiz time: What is Bodie's real name. Easy...

Season 2 quiz question, what is Ziggy Sobotka's given name. HARD!

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/04/2007 02:05:08
My brother is watching I Love Lucy, the lost episodes. You know like when Lucy looses the money Ricky owed the guy on the take for the liquor control board and the Ricky takes a beating. Hilarious!

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/04/2007 02:14:16
Comment by livingonli on 11/04/2007 03:23:01
Comment by BobR on 11/04/2007 13:10:16
Did everyone set their clocks back? Did the blog (yes, this is a test) :coffee:

Comment by Raine on 11/04/2007 13:38:27
Mashareff grabs total power... pakistan under marshall law...:thud: Fascism in 10 easy steps right there for your textbook enjoyment.





Comment by Raine on 11/04/2007 13:39:18
I forgot about this icon..

Comment by TriSec on 11/04/2007 14:07:40
Morning folks!



Just got a cauldron of beef stew cooking....(you'll note the specific use of the term 'cauldron')



So if anyone can make it up for the kickoff, you're more than welcome!





Comment by Raine on 11/04/2007 16:06:29
MMM! Beef Stew!

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/04/2007 16:32:04
Morning my peoples. Jackels will feast on the entrails of the evil Pats! :metal:

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/04/2007 16:34:55
BTW your Jacksonville correspondent is blogging from Panera Bread this AM

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/04/2007 16:37:03
Quote by Raine:

Mashareff grabs total power... pakistan under marshall law...:thud: Fascism in 10 easy steps right there for your textbook enjoyment.









He can't be a bad guy, can he? He is a valuable ally in the Warronterra!

Comment by Raine on 11/04/2007 16:44:30
:scratch: The falcons did not sell ou, so that means they won't be broadcast on the TV mosheen... the Giants are on a bi this week... I wonder what the 1 pm game is gonna be....

Comment by Raine on 11/04/2007 16:45:44
Quote by Mondobubba: BTW your Jacksonville correspondent is blogging from Panera Bread this AM
(larry king voice) Jacksonville! You're on the air!

Comment by Raine on 11/04/2007 16:46:36
Quote by Mondobubba: Morning my peoples. Jackels will feast on the entrails of the evil Pats! :metal:
Throw down on Footballtown!

Comment by Raine on 11/04/2007 16:52:39
I currently am listeing to the 70;s channel on my cable system... Currently they are playing The big apple band... *A fifth of BEethoven* When really good music goes really bad music and then goes REALLY bad....

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/04/2007 16:55:18
Ahhh Firefox installed! Much better!

Comment by livingonli on 11/04/2007 17:06:40
Quote by Raine:

:scratch: The falcons did not sell ou, so that means they won't be broadcast on the TV mosheen... the Giants are on a bi this week... I wonder what the 1 pm game is gonna be....







TV blackouts how quaint. I don't think we've had one in New York since the late 70's.



WNBC has the New York Marathon. We have the Skins-Jets game here but we do have the Pats-Colts game at 4 (while I am at work and they haven't put the football on the in-house tuner :grumble:).

Comment by Raine on 11/04/2007 18:35:49
I am rooting for the JETS!

Comment by Raine on 11/04/2007 18:36:10
WE have the green bay Cheifs game here... :yawn:

Comment by Raine on 11/04/2007 18:37:00
SO who do I root for... The pats or the colts??? :scratch:

Comment by Raine on 11/04/2007 18:37:24
Might I add that I love to paint and watch football...

Comment by livingonli on 11/04/2007 18:40:12
Quote by Raine:

WE have the green bay Cheifs game here... :yawn:


Some substitution.



Is your painting feeling inspired today?

Comment by livingonli on 11/04/2007 18:58:31
Naomi Wolf will be on Thom Hartmann tomorrow.

Comment by Raine on 11/04/2007 19:11:32
Quote by livingonli:
Quote by Raine: WE have the green bay Cheifs game here... :yawn:
Some substitution. Is your painting feeling inspired today?
After watchingthe Joni Mitchell interview this morning, mos def.

Comment by Raine on 11/04/2007 19:12:35
Quote by livingonli: Naomi Wolf will be on Thom Hartmann tomorrow.
Veru cool. I hope they talk about how her thesis just proved true in pakistan... Well be back in a few. Gonna go pick up some groceries.

Comment by livingonli on 11/04/2007 20:13:33
And now it's time for me to head off to the salt mine with no tuner for us to watch the big game on.

Comment by livingonli on 11/04/2007 21:15:49
Jets game has gone into overtime.

Comment by Raine on 11/04/2007 21:25:01
his feet were not down!

Comment by Raine on 11/04/2007 21:25:53
Quote by livingonli:

And now it's time for me to head off to the salt mine with no tuner for us to watch the big game on.
that eally bites liv... :(



Comment by Raine on 11/04/2007 21:26:25
Quote by livingonli:

Jets game has gone into overtime.


wow... I am wishing I could see thatgame.

Comment by Raine on 11/04/2007 21:27:17
incomplete pass.. NE wins that challenge, 2&10

Comment by Raine on 11/04/2007 21:28:24
we are getting ready to bottle a batch of pale ale. Tommorrow we bottle the pilsner!



Comment by livingonli on 11/04/2007 21:30:48
And they still lost.

Comment by livingonli on 11/04/2007 21:31:44
Quote by livingonli:

And they still lost.


I meant the Jets of course.

Comment by Raine on 11/04/2007 21:33:03
Quote by livingonli:
Quote by livingonli: And they still lost.
I meant the Jets of course.
That is a heartbreaker. Shit.

Comment by livingonli on 11/04/2007 21:36:51
Quote by Raine:

we are getting ready to bottle a batch of pale ale. Tommorrow we bottle the pilsner!



How's it taste?

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/04/2007 22:33:11
Quote by Raine:

SO who do I root for... The pats or the colts??? :scratch:






Da Coats! You need ask??? Sheesh!

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/04/2007 22:34:20
Quote by Raine:

we are getting ready to bottle a batch of pale ale. Tommorrow we bottle the pilsner!







: perk : Pale Ale? Mondo's fav? Mmmmmmm Bobber you can figure out how to mail a couple, three bottles right??

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/04/2007 22:36:48
More important that football, Treehouse of Horror at Eight on Fox! I'm at home so I can watch it!

Comment by Raine on 11/04/2007 22:38:31
So, in case anyone is around... has the pResident issued any statement about Pakistan today? HAs anyone seen him or is he so incontinent that he can't leave the crapper?

Comment by Raine on 11/04/2007 22:39:32
AHH yes! the treehouse of horror! we shall be watching as well!

Comment by Raine on 11/04/2007 22:40:29
Liv, we'll give you the taste test results in about a week when it is ready, but if past history tells me, the Pale Ale will be rocking!

Comment by Raine on 11/04/2007 22:41:31
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Raine: SO who do I root for... The pats or the colts??? :scratch:
Da Coats! You need ask??? Sheesh!
I thinkour northern brethern might disagree... Speaking of which... did he fall into the Cauldron of Stew?

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/04/2007 22:41:35
Quote by Raine:

So, in case anyone is around... has the pResident issued any statement about Pakistan today? HAs anyone seen him or is he so incontinent that he can't leave the crapper?




He and Condi are in long session of restraint play....Ummm I mean geopolitical strategery!

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/04/2007 22:42:23
Quote by Raine:

Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by Raine:

SO who do I root for... The pats or the colts??? :scratch:






Da Coats! You need ask??? Sheesh!
I thinkour northern brethern might disagree... Speaking of which... did he fall into the Cauldron of Stew?







You know he is fairly neutral on football, but I bet he did fall in the Cauldron of Stew.

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/04/2007 22:42:56
Married lesbian ministers on "The Amazing Race"

Comment by livingonli on 11/04/2007 22:45:18
Quote by Mondobubba:

More important that football, Treehouse of Horror at Eight on Fox! I'm at home so I can watch it!


I set my DVR for both that and the Family Guy 100th episode tonight. Basically, I had to set it to record nearly all of Fox Prime Time on Sundays.

Comment by livingonli on 11/04/2007 22:49:18
And tonight we have the Knicks home opener against Minnesota from Das Salt Mine.

Comment by Raine on 11/04/2007 23:08:25
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Raine: So, in case anyone is around... has the pResident issued any statement about Pakistan today? HAs anyone seen him or is he so incontinent that he can't leave the crapper?
He and Condi are in long session of restraint play....Ummm I mean geopolitical strategery!
I have a feeling the man is drunk and passed out...

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/04/2007 23:09:36
Quote by Raine:

Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by Raine:

So, in case anyone is around... has the pResident issued any statement about Pakistan today? HAs anyone seen him or is he so incontinent that he can't leave the crapper?




He and Condi are in long session of restraint play....Ummm I mean geopolitical strategery!
I have a feeling the man is drunk and passed out...







Passed out due the loving touch of Mistress Condi's floggers.

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/04/2007 23:10:08
Oh did I say that? I'm sorry! :skates to penalty box:

Comment by livingonli on 11/04/2007 23:21:04
Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by Raine:

I have a feeling the man is drunk and passed out...







Passed out due the loving touch of Mistress Condi's floggers.


A combination of that and maybe some of this. :bong:



It has been believed that Bush has been drinking, but has it ever been confirmed that he went back on some of his other youthful substances?

Comment by Raine on 11/04/2007 23:22:42
Quote by livingonli:
Quote by Mondobubba: More important that football, Treehouse of Horror at Eight on Fox! I'm at home so I can watch it!
I set my DVR for both that and the Family Guy 100th episode tonight. Basically, I had to set it to record nearly all of Fox Prime Time on Sundays.
I am just not that into American Dad. but I love family guy!

Comment by Raine on 11/04/2007 23:24:00
Quote by Mondobubba: Oh did I say that? I'm sorry! :skates to penalty box:
If there are thought police, thenI should be there too... I imagine something of the sort is probably worse.. .when he wakes up he will just be a submissive sot.

Comment by Raine on 11/04/2007 23:26:49
Another Christian Winger preist caught in a sex scandal. Except this time you would think it was a Roman Catholic priest... he was preying on boys.

Comment by livingonli on 11/04/2007 23:33:51
Quote by Raine:

Another Christian Winger preist caught in a sex scandal. Except this time you would think it was a Roman Catholic priest... he was preying on boys.


As Rocky the Flying Squirrel would say, "Again?!"

Comment by BobR on 11/05/2007 00:08:49
Quote by livingonli:

Quote by Raine:

we are getting ready to bottle a batch of pale ale. Tommorrow we bottle the pilsner!



How's it taste?


I won't know for another week (it carbonates naturally in the bottle).

Comment by BobR on 11/05/2007 00:09:40
Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by Raine:

we are getting ready to bottle a batch of pale ale. Tommorrow we bottle the pilsner!







: perk : Pale Ale? Mondo's fav? Mmmmmmm Bobber you can figure out how to mail a couple, three bottles right??


We're heading to FLA for a long weekend in two weeks - plenty of time to figure out how to meet for a "bottle exchange"... ;)

Comment by Raine on 11/05/2007 00:22:14
Well, the patriots are still undefeated... WOW! that was a hellova game!

Comment by Raine on 11/05/2007 00:33:14
Curve ball video on 60 minutes rightnow fwiw...

Comment by Raine on 11/05/2007 00:45:29
holy crap... curveball went to work for a tv production company? So when do we get to indite George tenant? WHEN?!?!?!? They never even interviewed the guy before the war!!!!!

Comment by Raine on 11/05/2007 00:46:15
:rage:

Comment by Raine on 11/05/2007 01:12:05
So... part one... very nice. I will not give spoilers. how are the knicks doing?

Comment by Raine on 11/05/2007 01:12:42
Wow, family guy is an hour tonite?

Comment by livingonli on 11/05/2007 01:16:30
Quote by Raine:

So... part one... very nice. I will not give spoilers. how are the knicks doing?


Knicks up 93-87 in the 4th quarter.

Comment by Raine on 11/05/2007 01:30:41
Quote by livingonli:

Quote by Raine:

So... part one... very nice. I will not give spoilers. how are the knicks doing?


Knicks up 93-87 in the 4th quarter.


sweet!

Comment by livingonli on 11/05/2007 01:36:36
Knicks won 97-93.

Comment by TriSec on 11/05/2007 01:51:10
Evening, folks.



Well, that was a sparkling little action, wasn't it?





Comment by livingonli on 11/05/2007 01:52:57
I've got the 9 PM dinner break and almost everything but the fast food places are closed.