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Deja Vu and Nixon too
Author: BobR
Date: 11/30/2007 13:27:41
Everything old is new again. Clothing styles, hair styles, car styles... Apparently a drop in housing prices too. From this article:
Like that same time period in the 70's we also have an economy heading toward inflation and recession, both of which will likely be blamed on the president's successor. This got me thinking about Bush and Nixon. What other similarities do we have?
This article also gives a glimpse into the extreme secrecy of Nixon's world, yet another hallmark of the Bush Administration:
Of course Nixon did do a few a good things, so there's one difference. One other big difference between then and now: Back then Congress had the balls to cut the funding for the Viet Nam war.
Congress also had the balls to consider impeachment. Nixon resigned before that could happen. Perhaps it's time congress grew a pair. I'd take resignation, if that's what it takes to get him out of office.
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- The biggest plunge in new home prices in 37 years was not enough to revive October sales, according to the government's latest reading on the battered housing and home building markets.
The sales pace for October was well short of economists' forecasts. The Census Bureau's latest report also sharply cut back on its earlier estimates for sales in August and September, when a meltdown in mortgage markets kept many potential buyers from getting the financing they needed.
Also depressing sales and prices was a record 191,000 completed new homes on the market that have not yet been sold.
Like that same time period in the 70's we also have an economy heading toward inflation and recession, both of which will likely be blamed on the president's successor. This got me thinking about Bush and Nixon. What other similarities do we have?
- Nixon tried to help overthrow Pinochet's government. Bush tried to help overthrow Chavez's government.
- Nixon presided over an unpopular war that used secret bombing campaigns. Bush is presiding over an unpopular war that uses secret (privitized) forces to do things the military is not allowed to.
- Nixon started down the road towards privitization of medical care by supporting the private insurance company initiative. Bush by comparison is NASCAR driver on that road trying to privitize EVERYTHING.
- Nixon said "it's not illegal when the president does it". Bush attaches signing statements to every bill he signs to show his contempt for the law.
- The waning year of both presidencies were (are) marked with plunging popularity and scandal.
This article also gives a glimpse into the extreme secrecy of Nixon's world, yet another hallmark of the Bush Administration:
As a reporter who occasionally covered Richard Nixon's presidency, I was fascinated to see the latest "dump" of Nixon documents released Wednesday by the National Archives.
So far, the most interesting papers I have seen today are not about the Watergate scandal or domestic issues, but about national security. The new revelations would have made big headlines back then, but some people may now find this all a bit arcane.
Of course Nixon did do a few a good things, so there's one difference. One other big difference between then and now: Back then Congress had the balls to cut the funding for the Viet Nam war.
Congress also had the balls to consider impeachment. Nixon resigned before that could happen. Perhaps it's time congress grew a pair. I'd take resignation, if that's what it takes to get him out of office.
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Comment by 
velveeta jones on 11/30/2007 14:18:13
velveeta jones on 11/30/2007 14:18:13
Holy shit! Am I the first one?
What do I win.
What do I win.
Comment by 
TriSec on 11/30/2007 14:20:36
TriSec on 11/30/2007 14:20:36
The prize budget is a little low.
Comment by 
Raine on 11/30/2007 14:22:35
Raine on 11/30/2007 14:22:35
good morning!
Comment by velveeta jones on 11/30/2007 14:23:22
velveeta jones on 11/30/2007 14:23:22
Damn, and I was hoping for impeachment. Or at least resignation as BobR suggested in his wonderful blog post.
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 14:25:16
Raine on 11/30/2007 14:25:16
Slow moving this morning but feeling muchos mejores!
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 14:26:04
Raine on 11/30/2007 14:26:04
We still could get resignation.
Comment by velveeta jones on 11/30/2007 14:28:10
velveeta jones on 11/30/2007 14:28:10
Glad you're better. I will have to go get me mo' coffee in order to see how I'm actually feeling. 
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 14:29:07
Raine on 11/30/2007 14:29:07
:wacko:
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 14:33:35
Raine on 11/30/2007 14:33:35
aww........... I miss Puffy McMoonface! 
Comment by 
livingonli on 11/30/2007 14:37:21
livingonli on 11/30/2007 14:37:21
Good morning everyone. 
It was tough for me getting up this morning.
But I did hear the bit me and Mala did at AAP yesterday.
It was tough for me getting up this morning.
But I did hear the bit me and Mala did at AAP yesterday.
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 14:40:37
Raine on 11/30/2007 14:40:37
You can't vet all the youtube submissions! SORRY!
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 14:41:49
These questions were liberal???
Raine on 11/30/2007 14:41:49
These questions were liberal???
Comment by livingonli on 11/30/2007 14:42:24
livingonli on 11/30/2007 14:42:24
Sean Hannity is looking extra Tooly these days.
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 14:42:47
Raine on 11/30/2007 14:42:47
The general was NOT on Hillary's payroll.
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 14:44:12
:clap:
Raine on 11/30/2007 14:44:12
Quote by livingonli: Good morning everyone.
It was tough for me getting up this morning.
But I did hear the bit me and Mala did at AAP yesterday.
:clap:
Comment by livingonli on 11/30/2007 14:50:46
livingonli on 11/30/2007 14:50:46
HBK is over at AAP right now.
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 14:54:54
Raine on 11/30/2007 14:54:54
<------------- Ghouli's Campaign!
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 14:58:14
Raine on 11/30/2007 14:58:14
I really liked what keith said last night, when he brought up the fact that Carl McCall had to resign over this very same thing... Liv do you remeber that brewhaha? His wife was disabled and he used state cars to get her around town?
Comment by livingonli on 11/30/2007 14:59:34
livingonli on 11/30/2007 14:59:34
I really do hope that Ghouilani's campaign tanks with all these revelations. 
Comment by livingonli on 11/30/2007 15:02:53
livingonli on 11/30/2007 15:02:53
Fred Thompson and his wife will be on Larry King tonight. Will she talk about how awesome his man boobs are?
Comment by 
wickedpam on 11/30/2007 15:02:57
wickedpam on 11/30/2007 15:02:57
Morning! :hug:
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 15:08:45
Raine on 11/30/2007 15:08:45
Mala!
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 15:09:12
Raine on 11/30/2007 15:09:12
This is your bit!
Comment by wickedpam on 11/30/2007 15:09:41
wickedpam on 11/30/2007 15:09:41
Yeah for my Max/God reference!
Comment by wickedpam on 11/30/2007 15:10:31
wickedpam on 11/30/2007 15:10:31
Loved Hart to Hart! I strived to have hair that big!
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 15:11:35
Raine on 11/30/2007 15:11:35
Correct me if I am wrong, but aren't steroids illegal?
Comment by livingonli on 11/30/2007 15:13:04
livingonli on 11/30/2007 15:13:04
Buzzwinkle the moose. 
:drink:
:drink:
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 15:13:29
Big hair... circa 1989.... 
Raine on 11/30/2007 15:13:29
Quote by wickedpam: Loved Hart to Hart! I strived to have hair that big!
Comment by TriSec on 11/30/2007 15:13:37
TriSec on 11/30/2007 15:13:37
Comment by wickedpam on 11/30/2007 15:15:01
wickedpam on 11/30/2007 15:15:01
I think Hart to Hart was supposed to be the "new" version The Thin Man, a series of movies that I love!
Comment by livingonli on 11/30/2007 15:15:55
I believe so.
livingonli on 11/30/2007 15:15:55
Quote by Raine: Correct me if I am wrong, but aren't steroids illegal?
I believe so.
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 15:16:05
Raine on 11/30/2007 15:16:05
His Ahrhear was too small?
Comment by livingonli on 11/30/2007 15:16:23
livingonli on 11/30/2007 15:16:23
Never mind. Question answered.
Comment by wickedpam on 11/30/2007 15:16:23
I think I had those glasses.
They went with the aquanet style hair
wickedpam on 11/30/2007 15:16:23
Quote by Raine:Big hair... circa 1989....Quote by wickedpam: Loved Hart to Hart! I strived to have hair that big!
I think I had those glasses.
They went with the aquanet style hair
Comment by wickedpam on 11/30/2007 15:16:36
wickedpam on 11/30/2007 15:16:36
Got it Liv!
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 15:17:34
Raine on 11/30/2007 15:17:34
:puke: poultry grese? :PUKE:
Comment by wickedpam on 11/30/2007 15:18:06
wickedpam on 11/30/2007 15:18:06
Wonder were Rt13 is? :scratchhead:
Comment by 
BobR on 11/30/2007 15:18:50
BobR on 11/30/2007 15:18:50
morning, folks... :coffee:
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 15:18:59
LOL! I think I was using "rave" at the time!!! My sinus's have never been the same!
Raine on 11/30/2007 15:18:59
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:Big hair... circa 1989....Quote by wickedpam: Loved Hart to Hart! I strived to have hair that big!
I think I had those glasses.
Comment by BobR on 11/30/2007 15:19:50
BobR on 11/30/2007 15:19:50
Fried Cheese is very popular at the Greek restaurants...
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 15:20:01
grits... :drool:
Raine on 11/30/2007 15:20:01
grits... :drool:
Comment by livingonli on 11/30/2007 15:20:08
livingonli on 11/30/2007 15:20:08
You did look so different back in those days.
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 15:20:39
Good Mornign BobR!
Raine on 11/30/2007 15:20:39
Quote by BobR: morning, folks... :coffee:
Good Mornign BobR!
Comment by BobR on 11/30/2007 15:21:41
Oh gahd....
BobR on 11/30/2007 15:21:41
Quote by BobR: Fried Cheese is very popular at the Greek restaurants...
Oh gahd....
Comment by livingonli on 11/30/2007 15:26:29
That's a bit much for me. The Greeks run a lot of the diners here.
Morning BobR.
livingonli on 11/30/2007 15:26:29
Quote by BobR:Quote by BobR: Fried Cheese is very popular at the Greek restaurants...
Oh gahd....
That's a bit much for me. The Greeks run a lot of the diners here.
Morning BobR.
Comment by wickedpam on 11/30/2007 15:27:09
wickedpam on 11/30/2007 15:27:09
Stop with the cheese! Ya makin' me hungry! :drool:
Comment by TriSec on 11/30/2007 15:27:40
Why, it's bloody sputum on a leaf!
TriSec on 11/30/2007 15:27:40
Quote by BobR:Quote by BobR: Fried Cheese is very popular at the Greek restaurants...
Oh gahd....
Why, it's bloody sputum on a leaf!
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 15:28:57
Raine on 11/30/2007 15:28:57
I love that! Kerickture!
Comment by wickedpam on 11/30/2007 15:29:31
wickedpam on 11/30/2007 15:29:31
EWWWW! Tri!
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 15:35:44
Raine on 11/30/2007 15:35:44
HEY! Where is 
this morning?
this morning?
Comment by TriSec on 11/30/2007 15:35:46
TriSec on 11/30/2007 15:35:46
Listening to TRMS about "Judy-Gate".
Gee, what a morally upstanding, fiscally responsible paragon of society Rudy Giuliani is.
Ya know, we hounded acting Gov. Swift out of office because she rode a State Police helo to her home in Western MA once.
Oh, and because she was sitting governor on 09/11, it was all her fault.
Gee, what a morally upstanding, fiscally responsible paragon of society Rudy Giuliani is.
Ya know, we hounded acting Gov. Swift out of office because she rode a State Police helo to her home in Western MA once.
Oh, and because she was sitting governor on 09/11, it was all her fault.
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 15:37:46
Raine on 11/30/2007 15:37:46
:rofl: Fred Wants a kumbayah circle!
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 15:38:48
Raine on 11/30/2007 15:38:48
She sucks the blood out of the puppies.
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 15:40:16
Raine on 11/30/2007 15:40:16
BE a scared of huckabee.
I think he will get the repub nomination...
I think he will get the repub nomination...
Comment by wickedpam on 11/30/2007 15:42:15
wickedpam on 11/30/2007 15:42:15
Who was that? My brain drifted.
Comment by BobR on 11/30/2007 15:43:44
BobR on 11/30/2007 15:43:44
Huckabee is VERY likable, and appeals to "normal" Christians. Forget Fred - it's going to be Huckabee, Ghouliani, and Romney in the top three.
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 15:44:30
Raine on 11/30/2007 15:44:30
Mormon Funfacts?!?!? WE got em right here!
Comment by BobR on 11/30/2007 15:44:34
BobR on 11/30/2007 15:44:34
Boxers?... Briefs?... or Magic Underoos?
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 15:45:28
I think Rudy is done for. It is gonna be Mitt and Huck.
Raine on 11/30/2007 15:45:28
Quote by BobR: Huckabee is VERY likable, and appeals to "normal" Christians. Forget Fred - it's going to be Huckabee, Ghouliani, and Romney in the top three.
Comment by livingonli on 11/30/2007 15:46:52
livingonli on 11/30/2007 15:46:52
I still love the Randi bumper.
"She's as harmless as a kitten."
"She's as harmless as a kitten."
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 15:50:46
Raine on 11/30/2007 15:50:46
This debate was fascinating... nothing of true importance was really discussed.
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 15:51:27
Raine on 11/30/2007 15:51:27
THANK YOU CALLER! WTF! Grover Norquist got a question in.. so wtf is the oputrage of the gay General??
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 15:52:17
Raine on 11/30/2007 15:52:17
OoooOOOOhhhHHHH ... good point caller!
Comment by livingonli on 11/30/2007 15:52:26
It is very selective. The so-called "liberal media" seems to pander to the Reich-wing far more than it ever does to the left.
livingonli on 11/30/2007 15:52:26
Quote by Raine: THANK YOU CALLER! WTF! Grover Norquist got a question in.. so wtf is the oputrage of the gay General??
It is very selective. The so-called "liberal media" seems to pander to the Reich-wing far more than it ever does to the left.
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 15:52:57
Raine on 11/30/2007 15:52:57
I need to post the article about the huckster that is in my Rolling Stone.
He is a spellcaster.
He is a spellcaster.
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 15:53:34
Raine on 11/30/2007 15:53:34
Novakula calls Huckster... a fake conservative... I posted that article over on the board.
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 15:57:15
Raine on 11/30/2007 15:57:15
From that link (and part of this is VERY important):
But Huckabee is also something else: full-blown nuts, a Christian goofball of the highest order. He believes the Earth may be only 6,000 years old, angrily rejects the evidence that human beings evolved from "primates" and thinks America wouldn't need so much Mexican labor if we allowed every aborted Âfetus to grow up and enter the workforce. To top it off, Huckabee also left behind a record of ethical missteps in the swamp of ÂArkansas politics that make WhiteÂwater seem like a jaywalking ticket.
All of which begs the question: If this religious zealot's rise represents the end of corporate dominance of the Republican Party, is that a good thing? Or is the real thing even worse than the fraud?
Comment by livingonli on 11/30/2007 16:00:57
livingonli on 11/30/2007 16:00:57
Is there any Republican candidate who is even marginally sane?
Comment by wickedpam on 11/30/2007 16:10:42
wickedpam on 11/30/2007 16:10:42
Awww! Never heard the term Gayby Shower before, it's cute!
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 16:11:00
Raine on 11/30/2007 16:11:00
Gaby Shower?!?!?
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 16:11:33
I think I like it as well!
Raine on 11/30/2007 16:11:33
Quote by wickedpam: Awww! Never heard the term Gayby Shower before, it's cute!
I think I like it as well!
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 16:12:58
Raine on 11/30/2007 16:12:58
BREAKING: Former GM CEO Roger Smith has died... MSNBC ticker reporting...
Comment by wickedpam on 11/30/2007 16:13:30
wickedpam on 11/30/2007 16:13:30
Why is that breaking news?
Comment by livingonli on 11/30/2007 16:14:19
livingonli on 11/30/2007 16:14:19
Nothing like filmstrip fun with Jim Ward.
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 16:14:37
Micjhael moore will be filming a sequal to his film *Roger & Me*, simply called.. "Me"
Raine on 11/30/2007 16:14:37
Quote by Raine: BREAKING: Former GM CEO Roger Smith has died... MSNBC ticker reporting...
Micjhael moore will be filming a sequal to his film *Roger & Me*, simply called.. "Me"
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 16:15:23
cause I had a very bad joke to tell?? :P
Raine on 11/30/2007 16:15:23
Quote by wickedpam: Why is that breaking news?
cause I had a very bad joke to tell??
:P
Comment by BobR on 11/30/2007 16:15:27
Did Micheal Moore ever get to talk to him?
BobR on 11/30/2007 16:15:27
Quote by Raine: BREAKING: Former GM CEO Roger Smith has died... MSNBC ticker reporting...
Did Micheal Moore ever get to talk to him?
Comment by wickedpam on 11/30/2007 16:16:01
:doh:
wickedpam on 11/30/2007 16:16:01
Quote by Raine:Quote by Raine: BREAKING: Former GM CEO Roger Smith has died... MSNBC ticker reporting...
Micjhael moore will be filming a sequal to his film *Roger & Me*, simply called.. "Me"
:doh:
Comment by livingonli on 11/30/2007 16:17:17
livingonli on 11/30/2007 16:17:17
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:Quote by Raine: BREAKING: Former GM CEO Roger Smith has died... MSNBC ticker reporting...
Micjhael moore will be filming a sequal to his film *Roger & Me*, simply called.. "Me"
:doh:
Comment by wickedpam on 11/30/2007 16:19:33
wickedpam on 11/30/2007 16:19:33
Thank gawd my coffee's no longer hot!
Comment by livingonli on 11/30/2007 16:19:56
livingonli on 11/30/2007 16:19:56
What would you do with your own personal voice monkey?
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 16:25:26
No.
Raine on 11/30/2007 16:25:26
Quote by BobR:Quote by Raine: BREAKING: Former GM CEO Roger Smith has died... MSNBC ticker reporting...
Did Micheal Moore ever get to talk to him?
No.
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 16:27:45
Raine on 11/30/2007 16:27:45
*sigh* caller on the mormaon... mis informed... She was talking about the FLDS mormons. (the fundies)
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 16:28:44
I would give him a reason to say...
Raine on 11/30/2007 16:28:44
Quote by livingonli: What would you do with your own personal voice monkey?
I would give him a reason to say...
Comment by livingonli on 11/30/2007 16:29:09
livingonli on 11/30/2007 16:29:09
When you get kicked out of the Hustler store for being too crude, that's really klassy with a K.
Comment by BobR on 11/30/2007 16:30:50
BobR on 11/30/2007 16:30:50
assless chaps for the Gaybie shower... :thud:
I guess that would leave more room for the diaper.
I guess that would leave more room for the diaper.
Comment by wickedpam on 11/30/2007 16:34:51
wickedpam on 11/30/2007 16:34:51
The future First Lady! 
Comment by wickedpam on 11/30/2007 16:35:22
wickedpam on 11/30/2007 16:35:22
Well, in my hopes and dreams
Comment by livingonli on 11/30/2007 16:42:05
livingonli on 11/30/2007 16:42:05
Hillary is just a bit too arrogant for my tastes.
Comment by livingonli on 11/30/2007 16:43:03
livingonli on 11/30/2007 16:43:03
Did you see John Edwards on Countdown last night?
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 16:43:50
Raine on 11/30/2007 16:43:50
Man I 
the edwards!
the edwards!
Comment by wickedpam on 11/30/2007 16:44:25
wickedpam on 11/30/2007 16:44:25
I don't understand why Edwards message hasn't gotten through to more people who do those stupid polls. :scratchhead:
I just so badly want them in the White House! :cry:
I just so badly want them in the White House! :cry:
Comment by livingonli on 11/30/2007 16:44:41
livingonli on 11/30/2007 16:44:41
I know it's not polite, but I would like to see Mrs. Edwards kick mAnn Coulter in the junk.
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 16:45:28
You know what... mine too Mala.
I want Edwards, I am throwing my hat in the ring. I support Edwards!
Raine on 11/30/2007 16:45:28
Quote by wickedpam: Well, in my hopes and dreams
You know what... mine too Mala.
I want Edwards, I am throwing my hat in the ring. I support Edwards!
Comment by BobR on 11/30/2007 16:47:59
I think this is important:
That's the same kind of message that Edwards delivers... So if it was Edwards -vs- Huckabee, those undecideds in the middle would be getting the same compassionate populist message from both sides. That could take a lot of wind out of the sails of Edwards...
BobR on 11/30/2007 16:47:59
Quote by Raine: Mike Huckabee: Our Favourite Right wing Nut Job...
I think this is important:
Huck turns that rhetoric around by saying, "We shouldn't allow a child to live under a bridge or in the back seat of a car." It's a brilliant innovation for a candidate like Huckabee, who recognizes that the only thing he has to lose by talking about poverty and high CEO salaries is the support of the big-money wing of his party — something he doesn't have anyway.
...
Huckabee also edges openly into class politics, criticizing his own party for harping on the supposed success of the overall economy. "The reality is, there are many families that Âreally are working as hard or harder than they've ever worked in their lives, and they're not seeing that pay off," he says.
That's the same kind of message that Edwards delivers... So if it was Edwards -vs- Huckabee, those undecideds in the middle would be getting the same compassionate populist message from both sides. That could take a lot of wind out of the sails of Edwards...
Comment by BobR on 11/30/2007 16:48:27
:rofl:
BobR on 11/30/2007 16:48:27
Quote by livingonli: I know it's not polite, but I would like to see Mrs. Edwards kick mAnn Coulter in the junk.
:rofl:
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 16:49:17
you know, I actually have me republidad taking a good look at him... he WANTS to hate hom cause he is a dem and a lawyer... and then I pointed outr that most of the repugs are lawyers... when he tried to paint him him as an ambulance chaser, I pointed out that Edwards took cases to fight corporations (and coporate greed na dthe flaven) ... and that it's the fighting that edwards could do... he took a step back and said, yeah, well... I'll look... :d
Raine on 11/30/2007 16:49:17
Quote by wickedpam: I don't understand why Edwards message hasn't gotten through to more people who do those stupid polls. :scratchhead:
I just so badly want them in the White House! :cry:
you know, I actually have me republidad taking a good look at him... he WANTS to hate hom cause he is a dem and a lawyer... and then I pointed outr that most of the repugs are lawyers... when he tried to paint him him as an ambulance chaser, I pointed out that Edwards took cases to fight corporations (and coporate greed na dthe flaven) ... and that it's the fighting that edwards could do... he took a step back and said, yeah, well... I'll look... :d
Comment by wickedpam on 11/30/2007 16:50:10
wickedpam on 11/30/2007 16:50:10
VA Primary is Feb 12th, just 3 days b4 my b-day what a great present if Edwards won the Primary here. Not holding my breath though - this is more of a Hillary or Obama area.
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 16:51:21
Exactly. This race is so damn up in the air, it is amazing.
I am very concerned.
Raine on 11/30/2007 16:51:21
Quote by BobR:Quote by Raine: Mike Huckabee: Our Favourite Right wing Nut Job...
I think this is important:Huck turns that rhetoric around by saying, "We shouldn't allow a child to live under a bridge or in the back seat of a car." It's a brilliant innovation for a candidate like Huckabee, who recognizes that the only thing he has to lose by talking about poverty and high CEO salaries is the support of the big-money wing of his party — something he doesn't have anyway.
...
Huckabee also edges openly into class politics, criticizing his own party for harping on the supposed success of the overall economy. "The reality is, there are many families that Âreally are working as hard or harder than they've ever worked in their lives, and they're not seeing that pay off," he says.
That's the same kind of message that Edwards delivers... So if it was Edwards -vs- Huckabee, those undecideds in the middle would be getting the same compassionate populist message from both sides. That could take a lot of wind out of the sails of Edwards...
I am very concerned.
Comment by wickedpam on 11/30/2007 16:51:57
I know mom want's to vote for Edwards, she got all snippy when she thought I was backing Obama early on. She's even going to register to vote in VA.
wickedpam on 11/30/2007 16:51:57
Quote by Raine:Quote by wickedpam: I don't understand why Edwards message hasn't gotten through to more people who do those stupid polls. :scratchhead:
I just so badly want them in the White House! :cry:
you know, I actually have me republidad taking a good look at him... he WANTS to hate hom cause he is a dem and a lawyer... and then I pointed outr that most of the repugs are lawyers... when he tried to paint him him as an ambulance chaser, I pointed out that Edwards took cases to fight corporations (and coporate greed na dthe flaven) ... and that it's the fighting that edwards could do... he took a step back and said, yeah, well... I'll look... :d
I know mom want's to vote for Edwards, she got all snippy when she thought I was backing Obama early on. She's even going to register to vote in VA.
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 16:52:35
Raine on 11/30/2007 16:52:35
Comment by wickedpam on 11/30/2007 16:56:36
wickedpam on 11/30/2007 16:56:36
Jim mocking the tiny dancer :rofl:
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 16:56:36
Raine on 11/30/2007 16:56:36
YAY Momma MALA!
Comment by livingonli on 11/30/2007 16:58:06
livingonli on 11/30/2007 16:58:06
The crush is over. Lust alone cannot make desire work when the object is a right-wing tool.
Comment by wickedpam on 11/30/2007 17:00:13
This would only be the second time she'd voted, so I'm happy about that. Rest of the fam are rather conservative. My cousin, the one who's hubby is a fireman, is always complaining that teachers make too much money since they're pay out ranks that of the fire departments. Granted the fire department deserves a hell of a lot more, but you can't bitch that the people who are teaching your kids are over paid if with all they crap they have to put up with these days.
wickedpam on 11/30/2007 17:00:13
Quote by Raine: YAY Momma MALA!
This would only be the second time she'd voted, so I'm happy about that. Rest of the fam are rather conservative. My cousin, the one who's hubby is a fireman, is always complaining that teachers make too much money since they're pay out ranks that of the fire departments. Granted the fire department deserves a hell of a lot more, but you can't bitch that the people who are teaching your kids are over paid if with all they crap they have to put up with these days.
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 17:00:56
give him till monday... you may be surprised.
Raine on 11/30/2007 17:00:56
Quote by livingonli: The crush is over. Lust alone cannot make desire work when the object is a right-wing tool.
give him till monday... you may be surprised.
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 17:02:56
Teachers AND firefighters are far far underpaid.
Teachers and firefighters are our true american heroes!
Raine on 11/30/2007 17:02:56
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine: YAY Momma MALA!
This would only be the second time she'd voted, so I'm happy about that. Rest of the fam are rather conservative. My cousin, the one who's hubby is a fireman, is always complaining that teachers make too much money since they're pay out ranks that of the fire departments. Granted the fire department deserves a hell of a lot more, but you can't bitch that the people who are teaching your kids are over paid if with all they crap they have to put up with these days.
Teachers and firefighters are our true american heroes!
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 17:04:05
Raine on 11/30/2007 17:04:05
velveeta fell into the I think.
I think.
Comment by wickedpam on 11/30/2007 17:07:14
I whole heartedly agree, she however whines about it whenever she can.
wickedpam on 11/30/2007 17:07:14
Quote by Raine:Teachers AND firefighters are far far underpaid.Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine: YAY Momma MALA!
This would only be the second time she'd voted, so I'm happy about that. Rest of the fam are rather conservative. My cousin, the one who's hubby is a fireman, is always complaining that teachers make too much money since they're pay out ranks that of the fire departments. Granted the fire department deserves a hell of a lot more, but you can't bitch that the people who are teaching your kids are over paid if with all they crap they have to put up with these days.
Teachers and firefighters are our true american heroes!
I whole heartedly agree, she however whines about it whenever she can.
Comment by wickedpam on 11/30/2007 17:07:49
That must be one giant ! 
wickedpam on 11/30/2007 17:07:49
Quote by Raine: velveeta fell into the
That must be one giant
!
Comment by livingonli on 11/30/2007 17:08:41
I was going to post what Mala just posted. Get out of my head.
livingonli on 11/30/2007 17:08:41
Quote by Raine: velveeta fell into the
I was going to post what Mala just posted. Get out of my head.
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 17:16:08
Raine on 11/30/2007 17:16:08
VJ is doing laps... :P
Comment by wickedpam on 11/30/2007 17:16:52
Nope!
la la la!
wickedpam on 11/30/2007 17:16:52
Quote by livingonli:Quote by Raine: velveeta fell into the
I was going to post what Mala just posted. Get out of my head.
Nope!
la la la!
Comment by livingonli on 11/30/2007 17:29:54
livingonli on 11/30/2007 17:29:54
There is a party in my head. 
Comment by velveeta jones on 11/30/2007 17:36:12
LOL. I'm in and out. Had to give the wife a ride to her job in the jewelry mines, so I can lounge around the house. *yawn*.
Now though, I may go outside and........paint my shed. (No, that is not 'code' for something else, sadly).
velveeta jones on 11/30/2007 17:36:12
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine: velveeta fell into the
That must be one giant
LOL. I'm in and out. Had to give the wife a ride to her job in the jewelry mines, so I can lounge around the house. *yawn*.
Now though, I may go outside and........paint my shed. (No, that is not 'code' for something else, sadly).
Comment by 
Mondobubba on 11/30/2007 17:40:52
Mondobubba on 11/30/2007 17:40:52
Ummm Bobber? Pinochet was our go to guy in Chile. You mean this guy,Salvador Allende . Nixon just didn't try to over throw him, they did. Giving Pinochet free reign to shit on the people of Chile for about twenty years.
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 17:42:48
Raine on 11/30/2007 17:42:48
I am familiar with the Air cars!
BobR posted an article about it !
BobR posted an article about it !
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/30/2007 17:50:05
Sometimes ya just gotta paint a shed. :shrug:
Mondobubba on 11/30/2007 17:50:05
Quote by velveeta jones:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine: velveeta fell into the
That must be one giant
LOL. I'm in and out. Had to give the wife a ride to her job in the jewelry mines, so I can lounge around the house. *yawn*.
Now though, I may go outside and........paint my shed. (No, that is not 'code' for something else, sadly).
Sometimes ya just gotta paint a shed. :shrug:
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 17:53:31
Raine on 11/30/2007 17:53:31
I love Bernie Sanders.
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 17:54:16
:rofl:
Raine on 11/30/2007 17:54:16
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by velveeta jones:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine: velveeta fell into the
That must be one giant
LOL. I'm in and out. Had to give the wife a ride to her job in the jewelry mines, so I can lounge around the house. *yawn*.
Now though, I may go outside and........paint my shed. (No, that is not 'code' for something else, sadly).
Sometimes ya just gotta paint a shed. :shrug:
Comment by BobR on 11/30/2007 18:05:40
pre-coffee... so sue me.
BobR on 11/30/2007 18:05:40
Quote by Mondobubba: Ummm Bobber? Pinochet was our go to guy in Chile. You mean this guy,Salvador Allende . Nixon just didn't try to over throw him, they did. Giving Pinochet free reign to shit on the people of Chile for about twenty years.
pre-coffee... so sue me.
Comment by BobR on 11/30/2007 18:10:43
BobR on 11/30/2007 18:10:43
Anyone listening to Thom?... Edwards is way out in front, followed by Kucinich, then Obama.
Comment by wickedpam on 11/30/2007 18:12:01
wickedpam on 11/30/2007 18:12:01
Sounds like Kucinich is holding his own with Edwards. Maybe that's our ticket?
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 18:12:48
Raine on 11/30/2007 18:12:48
John Edwards far and away is taking the cake!
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/30/2007 18:13:41
Oh, okay pre-coffee understanable
Mondobubba on 11/30/2007 18:13:41
Quote by BobR:Quote by Mondobubba: Ummm Bobber? Pinochet was our go to guy in Chile. You mean this guy,Salvador Allende . Nixon just didn't try to over throw him, they did. Giving Pinochet free reign to shit on the people of Chile for about twenty years.
pre-coffee... so sue me.
Oh, okay pre-coffee understanable
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/30/2007 18:14:53
Mondobubba on 11/30/2007 18:14:53
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 18:16:55
I could live with that!
Raine on 11/30/2007 18:16:55
Quote by wickedpam: Sounds like Kucinich is holding his own with Edwards. Maybe that's our ticket?
I could live with that!
Comment by wickedpam on 11/30/2007 18:20:25
wickedpam on 11/30/2007 18:20:25
same here
Comment by velveeta jones on 11/30/2007 18:21:24
velveeta jones on 11/30/2007 18:21:24
I am leaning more and more towards Edwards. I'd LOVE to see an Edwards/Kucinich ticket.
Comment by velveeta jones on 11/30/2007 18:22:24
velveeta jones on 11/30/2007 18:22:24
(OH, and, I talked myself out of painting my shed - there's always tomorrow). 
Comment by wickedpam on 11/30/2007 18:23:40
wickedpam on 11/30/2007 18:23:40
I admit I'm addicted to TV. I'm not as bad as I used to be though.
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/30/2007 18:25:54
Well done! :clap:
Mondobubba on 11/30/2007 18:25:54
Quote by velveeta jones: (OH, and, I talked myself out of painting my shed - there's always tomorrow).
Well done! :clap:
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 18:28:34
I posted that one on the MB, Mondo...
I want people to not forget what a huckster he is.
Raine on 11/30/2007 18:28:34
Quote by Mondobubba: Speaking of Huckbee, Salon had a nice article on him today
I posted that one on the MB, Mondo...
I want people to not forget what a huckster he is.
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/30/2007 18:36:23
He is a total hustler. Taibbi's article is a whole lot funnier though!
Mondobubba on 11/30/2007 18:36:23
Quote by Raine:Quote by Mondobubba: Speaking of Huckbee, Salon had a nice article on him today
I posted that one on the MB, Mondo...
I want people to not forget what a huckster he is.
He is a total hustler. Taibbi's article is a whole lot funnier though!
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 18:42:42
Raine on 11/30/2007 18:42:42
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/30/2007 18:49:04
Mondobubba on 11/30/2007 18:49:04
Comment by wickedpam on 11/30/2007 18:58:49
wickedpam on 11/30/2007 18:58:49
Hope it gets resolved safely!
Comment by TriSec on 11/30/2007 19:26:36
TriSec on 11/30/2007 19:26:36
Aren't we hosting a peace conference? Are we withdrawing from that, too??
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 19:27:18
update... "A young woman with a 6-month or 8-month-old infant came rushing into the store just in tears, and she said, 'You need to call 911. A man has just walked into the Clinton office, opened his coat and showed us a bomb strapped to his chest with duct tape," witness Lettie Tzizik said.
There are several police officers positioned across the street from the office, crouched down behind cruisers with guns drawn, according to a reported at the scene.
"There are sharp shooters on the roof, and police are negotiating with someone in the building," said another witness, who did not want to be identified. "The police are notifying all the business owners on the street to evacuate. There are fire trucks behind the Hillary Clinton office.
"I walked out and I immediately started running, and I saw that the road was blocked off. They told me run and keep going," said Cassandra Hamilton, who works in an office adjacent to the building.
Nearby businesses have been evacuated, and the St. Elizabeth Seaton School has been locked down.
Clinton, who is not in New Hampshire, is attending a National Democratic Committee meeting in Virginia. Presidential candidate Barack Obama also has an office in Rochester, and it has been evacuated. There were no reports of any injuries.
Raine on 11/30/2007 19:27:18
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine: OH dear... BREAKING:Hostage Situstion at Clinton campaing office.
Oh dear.
update... "A young woman with a 6-month or 8-month-old infant came rushing into the store just in tears, and she said, 'You need to call 911. A man has just walked into the Clinton office, opened his coat and showed us a bomb strapped to his chest with duct tape," witness Lettie Tzizik said.
There are several police officers positioned across the street from the office, crouched down behind cruisers with guns drawn, according to a reported at the scene.
"There are sharp shooters on the roof, and police are negotiating with someone in the building," said another witness, who did not want to be identified. "The police are notifying all the business owners on the street to evacuate. There are fire trucks behind the Hillary Clinton office.
"I walked out and I immediately started running, and I saw that the road was blocked off. They told me run and keep going," said Cassandra Hamilton, who works in an office adjacent to the building.
Nearby businesses have been evacuated, and the St. Elizabeth Seaton School has been locked down.
Clinton, who is not in New Hampshire, is attending a National Democratic Committee meeting in Virginia. Presidential candidate Barack Obama also has an office in Rochester, and it has been evacuated. There were no reports of any injuries.
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 19:29:51
Raine on 11/30/2007 19:29:51
I have msnbc on... they are covering this story.
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 19:31:03
Raine on 11/30/2007 19:31:03
Actually, all three cable news networks are covering this story.
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 19:35:22
Raine on 11/30/2007 19:35:22
oh dear... the man alledgedly has 2 people hostage.
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 19:37:38
Raine on 11/30/2007 19:37:38
Edwards' and Obama's offices have been evacuated. It is a small town and the offices are practically right next to each other.
Comment by BobR on 11/30/2007 19:37:59
Israel didn't like it, so we bent to the boss's will. :rolleyes2:
BobR on 11/30/2007 19:37:59
Quote by TriSec: Aren't we hosting a peace conference? Are we withdrawing from that, too??
Israel didn't like it, so we bent to the boss's will. :rolleyes2:
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 19:40:36
Raine on 11/30/2007 19:40:36
MSNBC has just reported that the suspect is now demanding to speak with hillary clinton.
CNN has reported that hostage-taker is an undecided Democratic voter... nope --- I am not shitting you.
CNN has reported that hostage-taker is an undecided Democratic voter... nope --- I am not shitting you.
Comment by wickedpam on 11/30/2007 19:42:25
wickedpam on 11/30/2007 19:42:25
Hmmm - I think I've grown overly cynical - I'm thinking hugh hoax
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 19:47:08
What does she do? does she talk with the hostage? or does she take the BushCo Stance?
Raine on 11/30/2007 19:47:08
Quote by wickedpam: Hmmm - I think I've grown overly cynical - I'm thinking hugh hoax
What does she do? does she talk with the hostage? or does she take the BushCo Stance?
Comment by TriSec on 11/30/2007 19:47:34
TriSec on 11/30/2007 19:47:34
Blog project:
America reached it's pinnacle on July 20, 1969 and has been in decline ever since.
Discuss.
America reached it's pinnacle on July 20, 1969 and has been in decline ever since.
Discuss.
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 19:50:07
Raine on 11/30/2007 19:50:07
TAP...Tap.... Don't let this blow the rudy scandal off the front pages... *cough*
Comment by livingonli on 11/30/2007 19:51:41
livingonli on 11/30/2007 19:51:41
Off to the salt mine.
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 19:56:21
Raine on 11/30/2007 19:56:21
Clinton, who is not in New Hampshire, canceled a National Democratic Committee meeting in Virginia... just as an update.
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 19:59:42
Raine on 11/30/2007 19:59:42
MSNBC has a reporter inside the town now. People are being evacuated . This is a rather small town.
From all the reports I am reading, there are 2 people being held hostage, the man had a bomb, according to eyewitness reports, and he wants to talk to hillary Clinton.
From all the reports I am reading, there are 2 people being held hostage, the man had a bomb, according to eyewitness reports, and he wants to talk to hillary Clinton.
Comment by BobR on 11/30/2007 20:00:12
ooh - If she talks to him will the right paint her as "willing to negotiate with terrorists"?
BobR on 11/30/2007 20:00:12
Quote by Raine:
What does she do? does she talk with the hostage? or does she take the BushCo Stance?
ooh - If she talks to him will the right paint her as "willing to negotiate with terrorists"?
Comment by TriSec on 11/30/2007 20:03:05
TriSec on 11/30/2007 20:03:05
Keerist. This is NEW HAMPSHIRE, people.
White, conservative, religious gun nuts.
Except along the border, which is full of Commonwealth ex-pats. Rochester is north of Portsmouth near the Maine line.
It's a setup. Has to be. At this point, I wouldn't put ANYTHING past the republican operatives.
White, conservative, religious gun nuts.
Except along the border, which is full of Commonwealth ex-pats. Rochester is north of Portsmouth near the Maine line.
It's a setup. Has to be. At this point, I wouldn't put ANYTHING past the republican operatives.
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 20:03:07
Raine on 11/30/2007 20:03:07
Police look like they are entreing the building...
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 20:04:13
Raine on 11/30/2007 20:04:13
it looks like one of the hostages were just released. I saw a person running from the building.
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 20:04:43
Raine on 11/30/2007 20:04:43
The Swat team just retreated, again from the building.
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 20:06:40
Raine on 11/30/2007 20:06:40
The Clinton campaign just said that they are acting at the direction of local and state authorities....
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 20:08:10
MSNBC is now asking: "is this is a TRUE hostage"?
Raine on 11/30/2007 20:08:10
Quote by TriSec: Keerist. This is NEW HAMPSHIRE, people.
White, conservative, religious gun nuts.
Except along the border, which is full of Commonwealth ex-pats. Rochester is north of Portsmouth near the Maine line.
It's a setup. Has to be. At this point, I wouldn't put ANYTHING past the republican operatives.
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 20:12:12
Raine on 11/30/2007 20:12:12
The thing that REALLY bothers me, is that a little while ago, msnbc was asked to cut their overhead live feed of the hostage situation.
CNN is not covering anythin from the air.
CNN is not covering anythin from the air.
Comment by wickedpam on 11/30/2007 20:13:13
She has to make her own way on something like this.
The reason I was rather cynical about it, is because it just seems so, so, so, odd. Plus she has staged so many things and the recent Zogby poll and suddenly this happens.
I don't want it to be true, I want to be wrong! I want everyone to be okay and safe and it all to end without blood shed.
It's just made me skeptical and jaded of things like this.
wickedpam on 11/30/2007 20:13:13
Quote by Raine:Quote by wickedpam: Hmmm - I think I've grown overly cynical - I'm thinking hugh hoax
What does she do? does she talk with the hostage? or does she take the BushCo Stance?
She has to make her own way on something like this.
The reason I was rather cynical about it, is because it just seems so, so, so, odd. Plus she has staged so many things and the recent Zogby poll and suddenly this happens.
I don't want it to be true, I want to be wrong! I want everyone to be okay and safe and it all to end without blood shed.
It's just made me skeptical and jaded of things like this.
Comment by TriSec on 11/30/2007 20:13:31
MSNBC is now asking: "is this is a TRUE hostage"?
TriSec on 11/30/2007 20:13:31
Quote by Raine
Fuckwads.
1 a: a person held by one party in a conflict as a pledge pending the fulfillment of an agreement b: a person taken by force to secure the taker's demands
2: one that is involuntarily controlled by an outside influence
Sounds like a 'true' hostage to me.
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 20:13:48
Raine on 11/30/2007 20:13:48
cnn has cut the live feed too.
Comment by velveeta jones on 11/30/2007 20:20:30
velveeta jones on 11/30/2007 20:20:30
I just got in..... why are the police wearing army fatigues? (Sorry if I missed a post addressing this)
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 20:20:35
Raine on 11/30/2007 20:20:35
Fox is reporting that all the hostages has been released. *only a possibility*... many state police are now showing up at the scene
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 20:21:22
hell if I know! Good damn question!
Raine on 11/30/2007 20:21:22
Quote by velveeta jones: I just got in..... why are the police wearing army fatigues? (Sorry if I missed a post addressing this)
hell if I know! Good damn question!
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 20:22:10
Raine on 11/30/2007 20:22:10
MSNBC doesn'r know how many, if any hostages there are now s well.
Comment by velveeta jones on 11/30/2007 20:23:08
velveeta jones on 11/30/2007 20:23:08
My wife has a friend who is very close to Hillary and works on the campaign, she's quite worried.
Comment by TriSec on 11/30/2007 20:23:11
TriSec on 11/30/2007 20:23:11
Citing today's hostage situation, President Bush has placed the entire Northeast United States under curfew and has postponned New Hampshire's "first in the nation" primary until further notice....
Nah, the 'event' isn't big enough. But if it knocks Giuliani out of the headlines for the weekend and covers up the Friday News Dump, who's to say they didn't 'win' anyway?
Nah, the 'event' isn't big enough. But if it knocks Giuliani out of the headlines for the weekend and covers up the Friday News Dump, who's to say they didn't 'win' anyway?
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 20:24:04
Raine on 11/30/2007 20:24:04
The only thing I am reading is that the MoFO had a bomb strapped to his chest with duct tape, and he took hostages, and NOW he wants to talk to hillary.
Comment by TriSec on 11/30/2007 20:25:03
TriSec on 11/30/2007 20:25:03
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 20:25:13
Raine on 11/30/2007 20:25:13
It's a friggin Harrison ford movie, co-starring will smith and Tommy Lee.
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 20:29:01
Strnge coincidences...
Swat teams are in full gear. Good god, it looks like they are getting ready to go balls to the wal!
Raine on 11/30/2007 20:29:01
Quote by TriSec: Citing today's hostage situation, President Bush has placed the entire Northeast United States under curfew and has postponned New Hampshire's "first in the nation" primary until further notice....
Nah, the 'event' isn't big enough. But if it knocks Giuliani out of the headlines for the weekend and covers up the Friday News Dump, who's to say they didn't 'win' anyway?
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Strnge coincidences...
Swat teams are in full gear. Good god, it looks like they are getting ready to go balls to the wal!
Comment by velveeta jones on 11/30/2007 20:29:49
velveeta jones on 11/30/2007 20:29:49
Well, now no one's gonna be talking about the disasterous rethug debate.
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 20:31:57
This is a very bad situation.
They really do not know how many people really are still inside.
Raine on 11/30/2007 20:31:57
Quote by velveeta jones: My wife has a friend who is very close to Hillary and works on the campaign, she's quite worried.
They really do not know how many people really are still inside.
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 20:34:04
mala said she was jaded and I tend to agree, altho not as a hoax. Between the debate and the Rudy issue... hell, it is Take out the trash day too!!!
:foil:
Raine on 11/30/2007 20:34:04
Quote by velveeta jones: Well, now no one's gonna be talking about the disasterous rethug debate.
mala said she was jaded and I tend to agree, altho not as a hoax. Between the debate and the Rudy issue... hell, it is Take out the trash day too!!!
:foil:
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 20:37:17
Raine on 11/30/2007 20:37:17
WTF??!?!msnbcbreaksaway for the Nataie Halloway case?!?!?!
Comment by wickedpam on 11/30/2007 20:38:15
You agree that I'm jaded?
Hoax may not have been the right word. I just have this vibe about it. :shrug:
wickedpam on 11/30/2007 20:38:15
Quote by Raine:Quote by velveeta jones: Well, now no one's gonna be talking about the disasterous rethug debate.
mala said she was jaded and I tend to agree, altho not as a hoax. Between the debate and the Rudy issue... hell, it is Take out the trash day too!!!
:foil:
You agree that I'm jaded?
Hoax may not have been the right word. I just have this vibe about it. :shrug:
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 20:38:26
Raine on 11/30/2007 20:38:26
Flip.... Cnnn is reporting that possibilly two hostages have been released.
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 20:39:26
Raine on 11/30/2007 20:39:26
Mala, somehting ain't right. I pray to no end that they take this hostage taker alive.
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 20:40:20
Raine on 11/30/2007 20:40:20
CNN reporting there are no more hostages.
word is he still has a *device*...
word is he still has a *device*...
Comment by wickedpam on 11/30/2007 20:42:32
I hope so too. I mean seriously why would this suddenly happen? It's like planet's aligning and stuff.
wickedpam on 11/30/2007 20:42:32
Quote by Raine: Mala, somehting ain't right. I pray to no end that they take this hostage taker alive.
I hope so too. I mean seriously why would this suddenly happen? It's like planet's aligning and stuff.
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 20:43:39
Raine on 11/30/2007 20:43:39
Who the hell working for a demcandidate would take hill's supporter's hostage????
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 20:45:34
Raine on 11/30/2007 20:45:34
I am praying that this is a crazy Hannity supporter doing this. Sorry, but I am.
Hannity. or Rush. Someone needs to ask this man who he listens to on the radio machine.
Hannity. or Rush. Someone needs to ask this man who he listens to on the radio machine.
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 20:46:52
Raine on 11/30/2007 20:46:52
This guy amsure has writte letters and called in to radio stations,thatis my gut feeling.
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 20:49:33
Raine on 11/30/2007 20:49:33
Faux is painting the man as a crazy conspiracy theorist.
Comment by velveeta jones on 11/30/2007 20:51:14
velveeta jones on 11/30/2007 20:51:14
Dear Lord, please let this moon-bat crazy that You created in Your infinite wisdom .........be a freeper.
Amen.
Amen.
Comment by BobR on 11/30/2007 20:51:19
Would it be tinfoilly to think this guy was offered a deal for doing this, so he thinks he's getting out alive?... and the SWAT Team is being told to bring him down so that the people that engineered this cover their tracks?
Is that jaded and tinfoilly?
BobR on 11/30/2007 20:51:19
Quote by Raine: Mala, somehting ain't right. I pray to no end that they take this hostage taker alive.
Would it be tinfoilly to think this guy was offered a deal for doing this, so he thinks he's getting out alive?... and the SWAT Team is being told to bring him down so that the people that engineered this cover their tracks?
Is that jaded and tinfoilly?
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 20:53:48
Raine on 11/30/2007 20:53:48
Reuters is reporting the man as person with mental illness...
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 20:54:27
Raine on 11/30/2007 20:54:27
They are still trying to get the man to surrender.
Comment by wickedpam on 11/30/2007 20:57:12
That's a shame. I hope he's able to get the help he needs.
wickedpam on 11/30/2007 20:57:12
Quote by Raine: Reuters is reporting the man as person with mental illness...
That's a shame. I hope he's able to get the help he needs.
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 20:57:16
Raine on 11/30/2007 20:57:16
Something is not right... stories are surfacing that this man asked his son to watch the news today.
:foil:
He is still asking to speak with Hillary.
:foil:
He is still asking to speak with Hillary.
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 20:59:03
Raine on 11/30/2007 20:59:03
Mitt Romney has done a lock down on all it's headquarters around the country.
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 21:02:50
Raine on 11/30/2007 21:02:50
Fox is reporting the man's name is Troy Stanley. His son has said to police that the father is strapped with road side flares.... this is unconfirmed....
Comment by TriSec on 11/30/2007 21:13:52
Well, I guess that's what weaklings do. The cower in an alley with their tail between their legs.
TriSec on 11/30/2007 21:13:52
Quote by Raine: Mitt Romney has done a lock down on all it's headquarters around the country.
Well, I guess that's what weaklings do. The cower in an alley with their tail between their legs.
Comment by TriSec on 11/30/2007 21:23:31
TriSec on 11/30/2007 21:23:31
I am completely knackered. And I have a Cub Scout meeting tonight!
It's bad form to show up loaded (although that never stopped one member of the committee), but I have one of these waiting at home later.
:peace:
It's bad form to show up loaded (although that never stopped one member of the committee), but I have one of these
waiting at home later.:peace:
Comment by livingonli on 11/30/2007 21:32:10
Can being a freeper be considered a mental illness?
livingonli on 11/30/2007 21:32:10
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine: Reuters is reporting the man as person with mental illness...
That's a shame. I hope he's able to get the help he needs.
Can being a freeper be considered a mental illness?
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/30/2007 21:42:59
Mondobubba on 11/30/2007 21:42:59
Comment by wickedpam on 11/30/2007 21:44:29
wickedpam on 11/30/2007 21:44:29
I seem to be tuned in today :lol:
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/30/2007 21:44:34
Mondobubba on 11/30/2007 21:44:34
Hey Jack Black was in "Bob Roberts"
Comment by livingonli on 11/30/2007 21:49:03
Have you ever tested if you were psychic?
livingonli on 11/30/2007 21:49:03
Quote by wickedpam: I seem to be tuned in today :lol:
Have you ever tested if you were psychic?
Comment by wickedpam on 11/30/2007 22:03:36
Nah, I just have my moments
wickedpam on 11/30/2007 22:03:36
Quote by livingonli:Quote by wickedpam: I seem to be tuned in today :lol:
Have you ever tested if you were psychic?
Nah, I just have my moments
Comment by wickedpam on 11/30/2007 22:05:57
wickedpam on 11/30/2007 22:05:57
Okay - nitey nite all! Have a good weekend! :hug:
Comment by livingonli on 11/30/2007 22:19:35
livingonli on 11/30/2007 22:19:35
Have a good weekend, Mala.
Comment by velveeta jones on 11/30/2007 22:50:50
velveeta jones on 11/30/2007 22:50:50
Okay Velveeta off to walk the dog, then do the wifely duties*.
*DISHES.
*DISHES.
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 23:12:23
Raine on 11/30/2007 23:12:23
I can't believe this guy is still in the office. MSNBC is still reporting that they are not sure how many hostages may still IF ANY are in there.
And
for evil knieval.
And
for evil knieval.
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 23:17:59
Raine on 11/30/2007 23:17:59
Looks like the man is surrendurring. white sweater... he is taking it off...wearing a tie. he dropped something from his body. Swat has him lying on the ground.
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 23:18:45
Raine on 11/30/2007 23:18:45
Handcuffing him... how refreshing that they didn't blow away a human being.
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 23:26:34
Raine on 11/30/2007 23:26:34
MSNBC is saying that this man is a *libertarian*
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 23:28:06
Raine on 11/30/2007 23:28:06
Fox news called him a conspiracy thoerorist who is very anyi liberal.
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 23:28:50
Raine on 11/30/2007 23:28:50
They guy is dressed like an office worker, to tell you the truth.
Comment by livingonli on 11/30/2007 23:29:57
Sounds like he could be a freeper.
livingonli on 11/30/2007 23:29:57
Quote by Raine: Fox news called him a conspiracy thoerorist who is very anyi liberal.
Sounds like he could be a freeper.
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 23:30:05
Raine on 11/30/2007 23:30:05
Tucker carlson is an asshole. Can I just say that? HE just said that if this guy is mentally unstable, he should have done like every other unstable person in a merica does, start a blog.
Wow. What a tool.
Wow. What a tool.
Comment by livingonli on 11/30/2007 23:31:16
livingonli on 11/30/2007 23:31:16
Sounds like Monday's Right-wing world will have lots of material.
Comment by livingonli on 11/30/2007 23:32:21
When is he going to get cancelled? He was only tolerable when Rachel was on with him and then it went downhill.
livingonli on 11/30/2007 23:32:21
Quote by Raine: Tucker carlson is an asshole. Can I just say that? HE just said that if this guy is mentally unstable, he should have done like every other unstable person in a merica does, start a blog.
Wow. What a tool.
When is he going to get cancelled? He was only tolerable when Rachel was on with him and then it went downhill.
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 23:41:12
Raine on 11/30/2007 23:41:12
it is sounding more and more like he is a freeper-type liv.
Comment by livingonli on 11/30/2007 23:48:08
livingonli on 11/30/2007 23:48:08
Tonight, the Devila are hosting Les Canadiens de Montreal in glorious HD.
Comment by Raine on 11/30/2007 23:59:02
Raine on 11/30/2007 23:59:02
Did you get your HD set yet liv?
Comment by Raine on 12/01/2007 00:01:58
Raine on 12/01/2007 00:01:58
The man's name has been confirmed as Leeland Eisenberg
Comment by livingonli on 12/01/2007 00:04:25
I have the set. I am just waiting for the stand to arrive and a few days off to hook it up and savor it. I am off next weekend which is when I'm aiming to hook it up.
Now I just have to figure out where to put the other TV.
livingonli on 12/01/2007 00:04:25
Quote by Raine: Did you get your HD set yet liv?
I have the set. I am just waiting for the stand to arrive and a few days off to hook it up and savor it. I am off next weekend which is when I'm aiming to hook it up.
Now I just have to figure out where to put the other TV.
Comment by livingonli on 12/01/2007 00:06:57
livingonli on 12/01/2007 00:06:57
Did you see the beating the Knicks got last night by Boston?
Comment by livingonli on 12/01/2007 02:39:05
livingonli on 12/01/2007 02:39:05
Knicks are behind Milwaukee by 5 points while the Celtics are leading Miami by 20 points.
Comment by TriSec on 12/01/2007 03:27:33
TriSec on 12/01/2007 03:27:33
Hey Livin. Tough nite in Cub-Scout land.
But my friend Johnny Walker has bailed me out.
But my friend Johnny Walker has bailed me out.
Comment by livingonli on 12/01/2007 03:41:38
livingonli on 12/01/2007 03:41:38
It's always good to have friends. 
:cheers:
Knicks did come from behing to beat Milwaukee. But they'll manage to blow another game.
My game was Devils-Habs and the Devils won 4-0.
:cheers:Knicks did come from behing to beat Milwaukee. But they'll manage to blow another game.
My game was Devils-Habs and the Devils won 4-0.
Comment by livingonli on 12/01/2007 03:59:21
livingonli on 12/01/2007 03:59:21
Time for me to go home. Yay!
Comment by TriSec on 12/01/2007 13:48:16
TriSec on 12/01/2007 13:48:16
Ah, just in case anyone peers in looking for Libertarian Saturday...
I had some trouble earlier in the week with some password issues (which Bob has fixed), but I seem to have lost 'the power' to open or edit blogs along the way. So, anyone with the power wants to open a blog in my absence today, go for it!
I had some trouble earlier in the week with some password issues (which Bob has fixed), but I seem to have lost 'the power' to open or edit blogs along the way. So, anyone with the power wants to open a blog in my absence today, go for it!