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Benazir Bhutto Assassinated
Author: Raine
Date: 12/27/2007 13:28:27
Pakistan opposition leader Benazir Bhutto was assassinated Thursday in a suicide attack that also killed at least 20 others at the end of a campaign rally, aides said.
"The surgeons confirmed that she has been martyred," Bhutto's lawyer Babar Awan said.
::::: Original Blog Post::::::
The Senate Will Come to Order Even though they are still out for the holiday's, the Senate is still blocking any possible Bush Recess appointments.
In a year when I myself and others have been disappointed by the Dems, it is stories like this that remind me that they are making progress. So much has happened in a year, so many scandals have finally been brought to the forefront of America's consciousness. These were things that many of us blogged, and wrote about over the past few years, that always seemed to have fallen on deaf ears in congress and the media. A sampling of scandals, names, misdeeds and major irritations include:
With all these thoughts, I think it is very important that the senate is blocking any appointments Bush may want to sneak in. It seems that sometimes even if the process is to at least slow the bloodletting until reinforcements arrive, it is better than to do nothing or even everything all at once. We are making progress, and that has to count for something, The Senate is in session everyday, thanks to Senator Jim Webb, and that slows down the damage that Bush does. minimizing the damage is better than nothing.
The coffee and tea are ready, and today, in honour of the last Thursday of 2007, we have fresh New York Bagels , some lox, smear, red onions, tomatoes and capers. Enjoy.
:peace: and :heart:
Raine
"The surgeons confirmed that she has been martyred," Bhutto's lawyer Babar Awan said.
::::: Original Blog Post::::::
A nine-second session gaveled in and out by Sen. Jim Webb, D-Va., prevented Bush from appointing as an assistant attorney general a nominee roundly rejected by majority Democrats. Without the pro forma session, the Senate would be technically adjourned, allowing the president to install officials without Senate confirmation.
The business of blocking Bush's recess appointments was serious. It represents an institutional standoff between Congress and the president that could repeat itself during Congress' vacations for the remainder of Bush's presidency.
In such situations, pro forma sessions also could give Bush some political cover on popular legislation he doesn't want to sign. When Congress is holding pro forma sessions and is not formally adjourned, a bill sent to a president automatically becomes law 10 days after he receives it — excluding Sundays — unless he vetoes it.
That could be the fate of two bills Congress passed last week. One growing out of the Virginia Tech massacre makes it harder for people with mental illness records to buy guns. The other makes it easier for journalists and others to obtain government documents through the Freedom of Information Act. The FOIA bill, for example, would become law on New Year's Eve if not vetoed before then, according to Senate Judiciary Committee officials.
In a year when I myself and others have been disappointed by the Dems, it is stories like this that remind me that they are making progress. So much has happened in a year, so many scandals have finally been brought to the forefront of America's consciousness. These were things that many of us blogged, and wrote about over the past few years, that always seemed to have fallen on deaf ears in congress and the media. A sampling of scandals, names, misdeeds and major irritations include:
- Iran not having nuclear capabilities,
- CIA destroying tapes;
- Smearing of Valerie Plame and Joe Wilson;
- Alberto Gonzales and his injustice;
- Karl Rove, Scooter Libby, Harriet Miers;
- Walter Reed Army hospital and the misdeeds by the pentagon of our Vets;
- FISA and the Telecomms;
- Dick Cheney;
- Blackwater;
- Larry Craig and the merry band of gay Republicans caught in hypocrisy;
- Missing Nukes in the USA;
- Global Warming Deniers;
- SCHIP vetoes;
- The War (that is an entire scandal with thousands of subscandals and illegalities)
With all these thoughts, I think it is very important that the senate is blocking any appointments Bush may want to sneak in. It seems that sometimes even if the process is to at least slow the bloodletting until reinforcements arrive, it is better than to do nothing or even everything all at once. We are making progress, and that has to count for something, The Senate is in session everyday, thanks to Senator Jim Webb, and that slows down the damage that Bush does. minimizing the damage is better than nothing.
The coffee and tea are ready, and today, in honour of the last Thursday of 2007, we have fresh New York Bagels , some lox, smear, red onions, tomatoes and capers. Enjoy.
:peace: and :heart:
Raine
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Comment by 
TriSec on 12/27/2007 13:36:45
TriSec on 12/27/2007 13:36:45
Breaking News:
Benazir Bhutto wounded or killed in suicide attack
The situation is very fluid; the BBC website reports her as seriously wounded, but I just got an email alert that said she was killed.
Remember folks, these are our allies!
Benazir Bhutto wounded or killed in suicide attack
The situation is very fluid; the BBC website reports her as seriously wounded, but I just got an email alert that said she was killed.
Remember folks, these are our allies!
Comment by 
Raine on 12/27/2007 13:48:14
Raine on 12/27/2007 13:48:14
MSNBC is reporting she was killed.
Comment by Raine on 12/27/2007 13:53:08
Raine on 12/27/2007 13:53:08
My god... my god. I am truly in a state of shock.
Comment by Raine on 12/27/2007 13:58:15
Raine on 12/27/2007 13:58:15
This was clearly an assassination, I am reading that she was at a Rally, with metal detectors, and all of the people were checked as they entered. MSNBC, also said that she was under the protection of Musharraff.
Comment by Raine on 12/27/2007 14:04:49
Raine on 12/27/2007 14:04:49
The video being shown is just stunning...
Comment by Raine on 12/27/2007 14:05:41
Raine on 12/27/2007 14:05:41
Our allies, with Nukes. This is very bad. Very very bad.
Comment by Raine on 12/27/2007 14:07:10
Raine on 12/27/2007 14:07:10
They hung her father, they murdered her.
Comment by TriSec on 12/27/2007 14:10:20
TriSec on 12/27/2007 14:10:20
Marcos tried this in the Philippines back in the 80s...the people had the wherewithall to rise up against him and eventually overthrew him. "People Power" and Corazon Aquino, remember?
It remains to be seen what Pakistan will do. But Marcos hever had nukes.
It remains to be seen what Pakistan will do. But Marcos hever had nukes.
Comment by Raine on 12/27/2007 14:13:19
Raine on 12/27/2007 14:13:19
She was assassinated in the same Park where they hung her father.. :cry:
The unkempt grass at the site of Zulfikar Ali Bhutto's hanging lay withered on Wednesday as Rawalpindi waited for his daughter Benazir Bhutto to bring her campaign close to the seat of power she is eyeing in the Jan 8 elections.
Thursday will be Ms Bhutto's first public rally at the famous Liaquat Bagh park since her return from more than eight years of self-exile in October and is expected by her Pakistan People's Party (PPP) to be a boost for its election campaign not only in this important city and nearby Islamabad but also in northern Punjab.
Comment by TriSec on 12/27/2007 14:13:34
TriSec on 12/27/2007 14:13:34
BBC now reporting this:
However, AP quoted a PPP security adviser as saying she was shot in the neck and chest as she got into her vehicle, before the gunman blew himself up.
However, AP quoted a PPP security adviser as saying she was shot in the neck and chest as she got into her vehicle, before the gunman blew himself up.
Comment by Raine on 12/27/2007 14:15:12
Raine on 12/27/2007 14:15:12
Yes Tri, this does remind me a lot of the Philippines. One thing I do believe tho is that Pakistanis will stand up. This i do believe.
Comment by Raine on 12/27/2007 14:16:36
MSNBC is showing a raw video feed, I saw things I only ever want to see in the movies...
Raine on 12/27/2007 14:16:36
Quote by TriSec: BBC now reporting this: However, AP quoted a PPP security adviser as saying she was shot in the neck and chest as she got into her vehicle, before the gunman blew himself up.
Comment by Raine on 12/27/2007 14:28:06
Raine on 12/27/2007 14:28:06
Comment by Raine on 12/27/2007 14:28:32
Raine on 12/27/2007 14:28:32
They are setting fires in protest, now.
Comment by Raine on 12/27/2007 14:29:45
Raine on 12/27/2007 14:29:45
Actually they have set fires outside the hospital she was taken to.
She truly has been martyred.
Comment by Raine on 12/27/2007 14:55:50
Raine on 12/27/2007 14:55:50
Rudy is an opportunistic scumbag pig. HE has already issued a statement on his campaign website (of which I will NOT link)
Maybe someone should tell rudy that it was an inside job... and so was Bhutto's murder. :rage:
ÒThe assassination of Benazir Bhutto is a tragic event for Pakistan and for democracy in Pakistan. Her murderers must be brought to justice and Pakistan must continue the path back to democracy and the rule of law. Her death is a reminder that terrorism anywhere Ñ whether in New York, London, Tel-Aviv or Rawalpindi Ñ is an enemy of freedom. We must redouble our efforts to win the TerroristsÕ War on Us.Ó
Comment by 
wickedpam on 12/27/2007 14:58:20
wickedpam on 12/27/2007 14:58:20
Morning! :hug:
It's a shame what has happened to Ms. Bhutto. The people that killed her may have ignited something they didn't want. Lets hope something good comes from this travesty(sp).
It's a shame what has happened to Ms. Bhutto. The people that killed her may have ignited something they didn't want. Lets hope something good comes from this travesty(sp).
Comment by Raine on 12/27/2007 15:12:47
Raine on 12/27/2007 15:12:47
The bottom line, a democratic leader was killed in a country that is under marshall law, that is considered our ally. We have thrown our support behind mushareff, all in the fight against terrorism ... and sent a message to the world, democracy is not really needed in fighting the war on terror. It is a sad time for the country and the world, I think. Terrorism trumps democracy. America, instead of supporting this woman in her desire to return democracy to pakistan, becked Musharraf, and that says it all. I am heavy in my heart today.
Comment by 
livingonli on 12/27/2007 15:13:02
livingonli on 12/27/2007 15:13:02
Good morning all.
This makes me really wonder about our "increased" role in Pakistan. Since Musharaff has probably a hand behind this, how in bed is he with the fundamentalists?
I have BBC World on the TV. For this story, the only options to really follow it our BBC World or CNNI and only a fraction of the US cable systems carry either channel.
This makes me really wonder about our "increased" role in Pakistan. Since Musharaff has probably a hand behind this, how in bed is he with the fundamentalists?
I have BBC World on the TV. For this story, the only options to really follow it our BBC World or CNNI and only a fraction of the US cable systems carry either channel.
Comment by TriSec on 12/27/2007 15:13:21
TriSec on 12/27/2007 15:13:21
*grunt*
Doesn't seem to be much else to say this morning. Kinda glad I'm at work...I suppose I would have taken over the TV to stare at the coverage in stunned silence.
And you know, not that long ago we could look at the assasination of a foreign leader and say, "Gee, that's too bad. How can we help them recover?" now I look at it and say, "Gee, I wonder what Cheney had to do with this?"
Doesn't seem to be much else to say this morning. Kinda glad I'm at work...I suppose I would have taken over the TV to stare at the coverage in stunned silence.
And you know, not that long ago we could look at the assasination of a foreign leader and say, "Gee, that's too bad. How can we help them recover?" now I look at it and say, "Gee, I wonder what Cheney had to do with this?"
Comment by Raine on 12/27/2007 15:13:22
Raine on 12/27/2007 15:13:22
This guy filling in for Lionel isn't that bad, I must say.
Comment by TriSec on 12/27/2007 15:14:46
TriSec on 12/27/2007 15:14:46
Going to BBC World Service for a while now...
Comment by livingonli on 12/27/2007 15:21:41
livingonli on 12/27/2007 15:21:41
Everyone should call their cable or Sat provider and ask them to put BBC World's TV service on their channel lineup so they can get real news when events like this happen.
Comment by TriSec on 12/27/2007 15:21:49
TriSec on 12/27/2007 15:21:49
BBC confirming that Ms. Bhutto was shot in the neck prior to the explosions.
Comment by TriSec on 12/27/2007 15:26:55
TriSec on 12/27/2007 15:26:55
There's an eyewitness report from Islamabad that there is "total chaos" in the streets right now, and no authority figures are saying or doing anything to either calm or worsen the situation. Sounds like complete anarchy to me.
Comment by livingonli on 12/27/2007 15:34:35
The only thing is that may not have been what the former General had wanted.
livingonli on 12/27/2007 15:34:35
Quote by TriSec: There's an eyewitness report from Islamabad that there is "total chaos" in the streets right now, and no authority figures are saying or doing anything to either calm or worsen the situation. Sounds like complete anarchy to me.
The only thing is that may not have been what the former General had wanted.
Comment by TriSec on 12/27/2007 15:35:45
TriSec on 12/27/2007 15:35:45
Isn't it telling that we all run to the BBC whenever there's a world crisis?
Seems that we're hardly better than the two-bit dictatorships we're propping up around the world. Their oppressed people get the BBC for news, too.
:kickcan:
So, when to we get martial law? I suppose I should map my route to the northern border again. Good thing it's snow season, it'll be easier to get across.
Seems that we're hardly better than the two-bit dictatorships we're propping up around the world. Their oppressed people get the BBC for news, too.
:kickcan:
So, when to we get martial law? I suppose I should map my route to the northern border again. Good thing it's snow season, it'll be easier to get across.
Comment by Raine on 12/27/2007 15:42:21
Raine on 12/27/2007 15:42:21
The pResident will be speaking at 11 am.
Tri, we are getting ready for a trek as well. It says a lot when your own republidad even thinks it isn't a bad idea.
Comment by livingonli on 12/27/2007 15:44:25
livingonli on 12/27/2007 15:44:25
If the Republicans steal the election (especially if it's Ghouilani or Huckabee because they are the creepiest) and I am still not too sure about Hillary, I will probably reconsider as well. The only problem is Harper is not as welcoming as Trudeau was during Vietnam since Harper's politics are closer to Bush's. They have denied Iraq war deserters claim for refugee status although they haven't deported any of them yet.
And speaking of the BBC, Rupert Murdoch took BBC World off his satellite service to China at the request of the Chinese government. What does that say about him?
And speaking of the BBC, Rupert Murdoch took BBC World off his satellite service to China at the request of the Chinese government. What does that say about him?
Comment by Raine on 12/27/2007 15:44:54
Raine on 12/27/2007 15:44:54
Wanna bet Bush says Al Qaeda during his speech? The news is already trying to blame it on that.
Comment by Raine on 12/27/2007 15:46:48
Raine on 12/27/2007 15:46:48
:rofl: ... ... :cry:
... :cry:
Comment by Raine on 12/27/2007 15:49:59
Raine on 12/27/2007 15:49:59
I fear for Pakistan. I see the military cracking down even worse than they did a little while back.
Comment by wickedpam on 12/27/2007 15:51:08
If he brings up Al again then I want to know why they haven't caught Osama when they had the many chances? Or why they haven't finished the job in Afghanistan which may have prevented all this from happening.
wickedpam on 12/27/2007 15:51:08
Quote by Raine: Wanna bet Bush says Al Qaeda during his speech? The news is already trying to blame it on that.
If he brings up Al again then I want to know why they haven't caught Osama when they had the many chances? Or why they haven't finished the job in Afghanistan which may have prevented all this from happening.
Comment by TriSec on 12/27/2007 15:51:58
Hell, I'll drink on it. I bet he doesn't go 10 words into it before he says "9-11", either.
TriSec on 12/27/2007 15:51:58
Quote by Raine: Wanna bet Bush says Al Qaeda during his speech? The news is already trying to blame it on that.
Hell, I'll drink on it. I bet he doesn't go 10 words into it before he says "9-11", either.
Comment by 
BobR on 12/27/2007 15:53:35
It's too early for drinking games...
... although I really feel like I could use one. Why am I reminded of the purging of the Kennedy clan from politics in the mid-60's?
BobR on 12/27/2007 15:53:35
Quote by Raine: Wanna bet Bush says Al Qaeda during his speech? The news is already trying to blame it on that.
It's too early for drinking games...
... although I really feel like I could use one. Why am I reminded of the purging of the Kennedy clan from politics in the mid-60's?
Comment by livingonli on 12/27/2007 15:55:02
Because it seems by supporting Musharaff, we may actually be helping the terrorists.
I am starting to wonder if Osama who was our buddy in the 80's might still be the buddies of some of the neo-cons as the gift who keeps on giving.
livingonli on 12/27/2007 15:55:02
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine: Wanna bet Bush says Al Qaeda during his speech? The news is already trying to blame it on that.
If he brings up Al again then I want to know why they haven't caught Osama when they had the many chances? Or why they haven't finished the job in Afghanistan which may have prevented all this from happening.
Because it seems by supporting Musharaff, we may actually be helping the terrorists.
I am starting to wonder if Osama who was our buddy in the 80's might still be the buddies of some of the neo-cons as the gift who keeps on giving.
Comment by Raine on 12/27/2007 15:56:07
Tuesday the news came out that America was going into Pakistan with troops to look for Bin Laden. And the news was also that pakistan would not be doing anything to stop them.
Raine on 12/27/2007 15:56:07
Quote by wickedpam:If he brings up Al again then I want to know why they haven't caught Osama when they had the many chances? Or why they haven't finished the job in Afghanistan which may have prevented all this from happening.Quote by Raine: Wanna bet Bush says Al Qaeda during his speech? The news is already trying to blame it on that.
Comment by Raine on 12/27/2007 15:59:28
Raine on 12/27/2007 15:59:28
From what I am seeing on the internets, Bush's speech is being taped at crawford.
Comment by livingonli on 12/27/2007 16:03:52
Is he going to do it while clearing brush?
livingonli on 12/27/2007 16:03:52
Quote by Raine: From what I am seeing on the internets, Bush's speech is being taped at crawford.
Is he going to do it while clearing brush?
Comment by TriSec on 12/27/2007 16:07:25
TriSec on 12/27/2007 16:07:25
Oh, god forbid that a world crisis should interrupt his FUCKING VACATION!
News Flash: You're the president, YOU DON'T GET DAYS OFF!!!
News Flash: You're the president, YOU DON'T GET DAYS OFF!!!
Comment by Raine on 12/27/2007 16:08:10
I wish. I am trying to see WHEN this tape was recorded, and the other thing, is why isn't he doing it live? Still scurrying for a confirm.
Raine on 12/27/2007 16:08:10
Quote by livingonli:Is he going to do it while clearing brush?Quote by Raine: From what I am seeing on the internets, Bush's speech is being taped at crawford.
I wish. I am trying to see WHEN this tape was recorded, and the other thing, is why isn't he doing it live? Still scurrying for a confirm.
Comment by Raine on 12/27/2007 16:09:33
Raine on 12/27/2007 16:09:33
Amen TriSec. Once again, this f*cker is at Crawford. (drunk, or hungover, to the point that he can't get off his f*cking lazy pathetic arse.)
Comment by livingonli on 12/27/2007 16:13:01
He makes Reagan look like a workaholic.
livingonli on 12/27/2007 16:13:01
Quote by TriSec: Oh, god forbid that a world crisis should interrupt his FUCKING VACATION!
News Flash: You're the president, YOU DON'T GET DAYS OFF!!!
He makes Reagan look like a workaholic.
Comment by Raine on 12/27/2007 16:13:06
Raine on 12/27/2007 16:13:06
She also had three children. :(
Comment by Raine on 12/27/2007 16:15:42
This is a true blow to moderate islam. America should have embraced her... She was all that we have been told Dubya wants for democracy in the middle east...... But I think we have been told a lie.
Raine on 12/27/2007 16:15:42
I must confess my life is as difficult as it is interesting,Ó she wrote in her latest memoir, Daughter of the East. ÒI live from suitcase to suitcase, travelling the world lecturing on Islam, democracy and women's rights before universities, business associations, women's organizations and foreign-policy think tanks.
Comment by Raine on 12/27/2007 16:16:27
Raine on 12/27/2007 16:16:27
HEre he comes...
Comment by Raine on 12/27/2007 16:17:52
Raine on 12/27/2007 16:17:52
Jayhus! HE has a banner behind him that says West White house, Crawford Texas. ok, the speech is over... it was less than 15 seconds.
Comment by livingonli on 12/27/2007 16:18:36
livingonli on 12/27/2007 16:18:36
BBC World just showed chimpy's speech, but they fonted it as DC and not Crawford. There was a "White House" logo (it might have said Western White House) in back of him.
Comment by Raine on 12/27/2007 16:19:04
Raine on 12/27/2007 16:19:04
Nope that really was the speech.
I am gonna get a transcript. This is stunning... even worse than I expected, I expected at least a little saber ratlling... Rudy's statement was longer.
Comment by TriSec on 12/27/2007 16:19:17
TriSec on 12/27/2007 16:19:17
Ya know, the fact that this is taped and not live is really concerning me.
How long has this been "in the can", I wonder?
How long has this been "in the can", I wonder?
Comment by livingonli on 12/27/2007 16:22:55
livingonli on 12/27/2007 16:22:55
BBC World has Musharaff speaking right now. He is calling for a peaceful response. They didn't have a translator handy since he wasn't speaking in English. I wonder if he will start cheering once he's off camera.
Comment by Raine on 12/27/2007 16:24:14
Raine on 12/27/2007 16:24:14
This murder will change the entire presidential campaign, I believe. The republicans are salivating all over this, already.
Comment by Raine on 12/27/2007 16:26:40
Raine on 12/27/2007 16:26:40
Pervez just came out and called this a terrorist act... 
Pakistan is now under something called *red alert*... yup... it is chaos. her funeral, according to the muslim religion, will be tommorrow.
Pakistan is now under something called *red alert*... yup... it is chaos. her funeral, according to the muslim religion, will be tommorrow.
Comment by Raine on 12/27/2007 16:27:48
peaceful... yeah... I buy that, just like the bridge I was sold in 2000. :puke:
Raine on 12/27/2007 16:27:48
Quote by livingonli: BBC World has Musharaff speaking right now. He is calling for a peaceful response. They didn't have a translator handy since he wasn't speaking in English. I wonder if he will start cheering once he's off camera.
Comment by wickedpam on 12/27/2007 16:29:09
They only reason they are going in now is because it's a big election year.
wickedpam on 12/27/2007 16:29:09
Quote by Raine:Tuesday the news came out that America was going into Pakistan with troops to look for Bin Laden. And the news was also that pakistan would not be doing anything to stop them.Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine: Wanna bet Bush says Al Qaeda during his speech? The news is already trying to blame it on that.
If he brings up Al again then I want to know why they haven't caught Osama when they had the many chances? Or why they haven't finished the job in Afghanistan which may have prevented all this from happening.
They only reason they are going in now is because it's a big election year.
Comment by livingonli on 12/27/2007 16:29:15
livingonli on 12/27/2007 16:29:15
BBC World is showing Gordon Brown's reaction. At least they have a leader who can speak in sentences and use words with more than one syllable.
Comment by livingonli on 12/27/2007 16:30:20
livingonli on 12/27/2007 16:30:20
Do you have CNNI on, Raine?
Comment by Raine on 12/27/2007 16:32:21
Raine on 12/27/2007 16:32:21
MSNBC is reporting that Pakistan is "spiraling" out of control.
Comment by Raine on 12/27/2007 16:33:19
Raine on 12/27/2007 16:33:19
I should have CNNI on... good point, Liv.
Comment by 
starling310 on 12/27/2007 16:33:38
starling310 on 12/27/2007 16:33:38
I just logged on to my laptop to the news about Bhutto. I am so sad.
Comment by Raine on 12/27/2007 16:44:33
Raine on 12/27/2007 16:44:33
Since 2001, the USA has given over 10 BILLION dollars... (let me put that in a different way... $10,000,000,000 ... a million is $1,000, 000, compared to $100, 000. ) to pakistan to further *democracy*... Tell me again how good the republicans are with money? F*ckers... I am so angry and upset today. Tell me again how good this war on terra™ is?
Comment by Raine on 12/27/2007 16:45:33
:hug:
Me too... the anger is starting to really set in now.
Raine on 12/27/2007 16:45:33
Quote by starling310: I just logged on to my laptop to the news about Bhutto. I am so sad.
Comment by Raine on 12/27/2007 16:47:17
Bush Barely gave a sentence. I am looking for the transcript. I see CNNi is still saying that it is questionable about what killed her... ASWHIPES! A FEW BULLETS DID!!! :rage:
Raine on 12/27/2007 16:47:17
Quote by livingonli: BBC World is showing Gordon Brown's reaction. At least they have a leader who can speak in sentences and use words with more than one syllable.
Comment by Raine on 12/27/2007 16:48:12
Raine on 12/27/2007 16:48:12
She would have won. She would have been the leader of Pakistan.... :(
Comment by Raine on 12/27/2007 16:53:20
Raine on 12/27/2007 16:53:20
Liv, assuming you are watching CNNi... did you just see huckabees comment?
Comment by Raine on 12/27/2007 16:56:27
Raine on 12/27/2007 16:56:27
He compared her murder to the peaceful transition we have in the USA during our election process... He said we have a peaceful transition after our elections in the USA... 
Uhm... hello huck? there were no elections happening... it was campaign season.
Uhm... hello huck? there were no elections happening... it was campaign season.
Comment by wickedpam on 12/27/2007 17:00:47
They were never going to let her be leader of Pakistan again. It truly is a shame, just when you see a ray of hope some meglomanic has to squish it like a bug.
wickedpam on 12/27/2007 17:00:47
Quote by Raine: She would have won. She would have been the leader of Pakistan.... :(
They were never going to let her be leader of Pakistan again. It truly is a shame, just when you see a ray of hope some meglomanic has to squish it like a bug.
Comment by Raine on 12/27/2007 17:04:25
Raine on 12/27/2007 17:04:25
Here is Bush's entire statement:
We send our condolences to the family of Benazir Bhutto, to her friends, and to her supporters. We send our condolences to the families of others who were killed in today's violence. And we send our condolences to all the people of Pakistan on this tragic occasion.
The United States strongly condemns this cowardly act by murderous extremists who are trying to undermine Pakistan's democracy. Those who committed this crime must be brought to justice.
Mrs. Bhutto served her nation twice as prime minister, and she knew that her return to Pakistan earlier this year put her life at risk. Yet she refused to allow assasins to dictate the course of her country. We stand with the people of Pakistan in their struggle against the forces of terror and extremism. We urge them to honor Benazir Bhutto's memory by continuing with the democratic process for which she so bravely gave her life."
We send our condolences to the family of Benazir Bhutto, to her friends, and to her supporters. We send our condolences to the families of others who were killed in today's violence. And we send our condolences to all the people of Pakistan on this tragic occasion.
The United States strongly condemns this cowardly act by murderous extremists who are trying to undermine Pakistan's democracy. Those who committed this crime must be brought to justice.
Mrs. Bhutto served her nation twice as prime minister, and she knew that her return to Pakistan earlier this year put her life at risk. Yet she refused to allow assasins to dictate the course of her country. We stand with the people of Pakistan in their struggle against the forces of terror and extremism. We urge them to honor Benazir Bhutto's memory by continuing with the democratic process for which she so bravely gave her life."
Comment by livingonli on 12/27/2007 17:08:30
I missed that. I have BBC World on.
I wonder if Thom Hartmann is going to talk about this.
livingonli on 12/27/2007 17:08:30
Quote by Raine: Liv, assuming you are watching CNNi... did you just see huckabees comment?
I missed that. I have BBC World on.
I wonder if Thom Hartmann is going to talk about this.
Comment by TriSec on 12/27/2007 17:08:38
By giving $10 billion to the dictator in charge? (see below)
Yeah, OK, sure George. Go clear some more brush.
TriSec on 12/27/2007 17:08:38
We stand with the people of Pakistan in their struggle against the forces of terror and extremism.
By giving $10 billion to the dictator in charge? (see below)
Yeah, OK, sure George. Go clear some more brush.
Comment by livingonli on 12/27/2007 17:11:06
livingonli on 12/27/2007 17:11:06
What kind of asshats do BBC hire for analysts? They have some guy going on that either way is not good. If the elections are allowed to go forward, there would be violence and chaos, but if Musharraf were to scrub the elections, he would have to deal with international outrage.
Sounds like some other reporter-pundit who should be cleaning dishes.
Sounds like some other reporter-pundit who should be cleaning dishes.
Comment by livingonli on 12/27/2007 17:13:58
livingonli on 12/27/2007 17:13:58
The Pakistan ambassador to the US says there will be 3 days of mourning in Pakistan. He gave no confirmation about whether there would be an investigation, but has said there should be one.
Yeah, right.
Yeah, right.
Comment by Raine on 12/27/2007 17:15:03
*cough* you mean the kind of international outrage that we had in october? When he delared marshall law and we still gave him money??????????????
:rage:
We created another military dictatorship. We paid to make it happen. My blood pressure is off the hook right now.
Raine on 12/27/2007 17:15:03
Quote by livingonli: What kind of asshats do BBC hire for analysts? They have some guy going on that either way is not good. If the elections are allowed to go forward, there would be violence and chaos, but if Musharraf were to scrub the elections, he would have to deal with international outrage.
Sounds like some other reporter-pundit who should be cleaning dishes.
*cough* you mean the kind of international outrage that we had in october? When he delared marshall law and we still gave him money??????????????
:rage:
We created another military dictatorship. We paid to make it happen. My blood pressure is off the hook right now.
Comment by livingonli on 12/27/2007 17:16:08
livingonli on 12/27/2007 17:16:08
At least 4 people have been shot dead so far in rioting according to AFP. (Pakistani news agency?)
Comment by livingonli on 12/27/2007 17:17:41
livingonli on 12/27/2007 17:17:41
"self-imposed" exile. Yeah, right? 
Comment by Raine on 12/27/2007 17:17:52
She was murdered by either Pervez, or some other terroristic country that feared her. God for F-inbid we have true democracy in a muslim country again.
Jeepers if democracy breaks out, who will Dubya fight?
Raine on 12/27/2007 17:17:52
Quote by livingonli: The Pakistan ambassador to the US says there will be 3 days of mourning in Pakistan. He gave no confirmation about whether there would be an investigation, but has said there should be one.
Yeah, right.
Jeepers if democracy breaks out, who will Dubya fight?
Comment by Raine on 12/27/2007 17:18:46
I am so frustrated.
Raine on 12/27/2007 17:18:46
I am so frustrated. 
Comment by Raine on 12/27/2007 17:21:02
F*ck. She was waving to the crowd as the gunshots went off.
I am very sad. This was a woman. A woman leader. She was a sister in this world of men. They killed her... :cry:
Raine on 12/27/2007 17:21:02
Quote by TriSec: AFP - French news
F*ck. She was waving to the crowd as the gunshots went off.
I am very sad. This was a woman. A woman leader. She was a sister in this world of men. They killed her... :cry:
Comment by livingonli on 12/27/2007 17:22:08
Chavez?
livingonli on 12/27/2007 17:22:08
Quote by Raine:
Jeepers if democracy breaks out, who will Dubya fight?
Chavez?
Comment by livingonli on 12/27/2007 17:26:02
livingonli on 12/27/2007 17:26:02
Raine, remember when we walked by the DC hotel that Musharraf was staying at during the blog weekend in DC with the street blocked off and security up the ying-yang?
Comment by Raine on 12/27/2007 17:27:27
Raine on 12/27/2007 17:27:27
The world needs to make a stand... Bhutto, or Musharraf ... And Bush needs to make that stand too. He needs to gt his shit straight NOW.
He backed Musharraf. Bush tried to dilute democracy by suggesting a power sharing between these two people...
Ans my fear is that the violence won. Musharraf no longer has to worry about her. The message this sends is disastrous, considering our own destruction of our constitution.
I pray the day will come when I can tell my niece and nephew how we fought against the fascisits and the military dictators and got our constitution back.
I really pray. :(
He backed Musharraf. Bush tried to dilute democracy by suggesting a power sharing between these two people...
Ans my fear is that the violence won. Musharraf no longer has to worry about her. The message this sends is disastrous, considering our own destruction of our constitution.
I pray the day will come when I can tell my niece and nephew how we fought against the fascisits and the military dictators and got our constitution back.
I really pray. :(
Comment by Raine on 12/27/2007 17:28:03
HOLY CRAP! I almost forgot about that!
Raine on 12/27/2007 17:28:03
Quote by livingonli: Raine, remember when we walked by the DC hotel that Musharraf was staying at during the blog weekend in DC with the street blocked off and security up the ying-yang?
HOLY CRAP! I almost forgot about that!
Comment by livingonli on 12/27/2007 17:34:13
livingonli on 12/27/2007 17:34:13
This one anchor on BBC is pissing me off. He's interviewing a friend of the Bhutto family and he is sounding like a Musharraf apologist.
Comment by livingonli on 12/27/2007 17:34:56
livingonli on 12/27/2007 17:34:56
Mike Malloy should be in form tonight when he discusses this.
Comment by livingonli on 12/27/2007 17:36:45
livingonli on 12/27/2007 17:36:45
Thom Hartmann has PJ Crowley from the Center for American Progress to talk about the situation in Pakistan.
Comment by TriSec on 12/27/2007 17:48:32
TriSec on 12/27/2007 17:48:32
No surprise here...
Oil prices rise after bombing
Oil prices also rose on news of the assassination of Pakistani opposition leader Benazir Bhutto, which raised concerns about geopolitical stability. That news came on the heels of attacks by Turkish forces on Kurdish rebels in northern Iraq earlier in the week, which boosted oil prices by raising concerns about Iraqi oil supplies.
Oil prices rise after bombing
Oil prices also rose on news of the assassination of Pakistani opposition leader Benazir Bhutto, which raised concerns about geopolitical stability. That news came on the heels of attacks by Turkish forces on Kurdish rebels in northern Iraq earlier in the week, which boosted oil prices by raising concerns about Iraqi oil supplies.
Comment by Raine on 12/27/2007 17:51:02
That would be a little like when I heard a few heads on MSNBC say that this will help Rudy's campaign. terristapologists. F*ckin' Fred.
Raine on 12/27/2007 17:51:02
Quote by livingonli: This one anchor on BBC is pissing me off. He's interviewing a friend of the Bhutto family and he is sounding like a Musharraf apologist.
Comment by Raine on 12/27/2007 17:52:31
all the dots are connecting now. Even the media is finally catching up. I pray it isn't too late.
Raine on 12/27/2007 17:52:31
Quote by TriSec: No surprise here... Oil prices rise after bombing Oil prices also rose on news of the assassination of Pakistani opposition leader Benazir Bhutto, which raised concerns about geopolitical stability. That news came on the heels of attacks by Turkish forces on Kurdish rebels in northern Iraq earlier in the week, which boosted oil prices by raising concerns about Iraqi oil supplies.
Comment by Raine on 12/27/2007 17:55:11
Raine on 12/27/2007 17:55:11
Bhutto wanted to get rid of Al Qaeda. She was calling fro democracy. I am also reminded of *The Shock Doctrine*
Comment by livingonli on 12/27/2007 17:57:23
Sounds like you have Thom Hartmann on.
livingonli on 12/27/2007 17:57:23
Quote by Raine: Bhutto wanted to get rid of Al Qaeda. She was calling fro democracy. I am also reminded of *The Shock Doctrine*
Sounds like you have Thom Hartmann on.
Comment by TriSec on 12/27/2007 17:59:39
TriSec on 12/27/2007 17:59:39
Gas prices...
I ran across this photo the other day.
Never mind the plane, get a load of the prices on the Chevron board.
This was the crash at Burbank International in March of 2000.
(edited - found a better angle)
I ran across this photo the other day.
Never mind the plane, get a load of the prices on the Chevron board.
This was the crash at Burbank International in March of 2000.
(edited - found a better angle)
Comment by BobR on 12/27/2007 18:04:47
BobR on 12/27/2007 18:04:47
Sorry for being AWOL during all this - there are several things at work that need to be done before the end of the year.
Considering the precarious balance in the Middle East, I wonder if this will be like the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand nearly 100 years ago that finally tipped Europe over the edge?
Considering the precarious balance in the Middle East, I wonder if this will be like the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand nearly 100 years ago that finally tipped Europe over the edge?
Comment by wickedpam on 12/27/2007 18:24:30
Reminds me of an ad I keep hearing, I think on Nova M.
says something like "it took a century to gas prices to get over a dollar a gallon and in only 6 years it's skyrocketed to $3 a gallon."
wickedpam on 12/27/2007 18:24:30
Quote by TriSec: Gas prices...
I ran across this photo the other day.
Never mind the plane, get a load of the prices on the Chevron board.
This was the crash at Burbank International in March of 2000.
(edited - found a better angle)
Reminds me of an ad I keep hearing, I think on Nova M.
says something like "it took a century to gas prices to get over a dollar a gallon and in only 6 years it's skyrocketed to $3 a gallon."
Comment by TriSec on 12/27/2007 18:37:51
TriSec on 12/27/2007 18:37:51
I distinctly remember during the first Gulf War, I thought it was high when gas broke through $1.50 for the first time. It was under a dollar when I first started driving....my first car was old enough to need leaded gasoline (remember when that was "regular"?) and you could still buy it on the street.
Comment by livingonli on 12/27/2007 18:51:51
livingonli on 12/27/2007 18:51:51
My first car was my dad's old '76 Nova which I got as a hand me down. That did need unleaded though.
I better go skip out for a bit. I have to buy a new hamper.
I better go skip out for a bit. I have to buy a new hamper.
Comment by TriSec on 12/27/2007 20:58:10
TriSec on 12/27/2007 20:58:10
Comment by Raine on 12/27/2007 21:11:55
Raine on 12/27/2007 21:11:55
*sigh*,seems as to Benezir Sent an email before she was murdered, saying that he would be responsible for her death..
Comment by Raine on 12/27/2007 21:25:31
Raine on 12/27/2007 21:25:31
HAs anyone seen the pictures from her coffin being taken thru the streets? :cry:
Comment by Raine on 12/27/2007 21:27:41
Raine on 12/27/2007 21:27:41
I think BobR may be onto something with this analysis. Sharif, btw, is asking for a boycott of the january elections, and is also calling for Mushareff to step down.
Comment by Raine on 12/27/2007 22:06:33
Raine on 12/27/2007 22:06:33
Joe Biden is being interviewed on HArdball. he is nailing a lot of things onthe head. I did not know that their are more pakistani's than there are Russians. he is calling for open and transparent elections. he just said that he sees very little evidence of any democratic movements in pakistan. :(
Comment by livingonli on 12/27/2007 23:18:18
livingonli on 12/27/2007 23:18:18
Hello. Just got back. A few interesting things flipping through the news coverage on the Sirius machine. I heard one BBC newsreader initially call Benezir a "Paki" before correcting himself to the correct term Pakistani. I think some of those older guys on the BBC might have that old elitist racism in them still. I was just listening to CBC Radio One and they were interviewing someone who talked to her two days before the assasination and apparently she was giving some faulty device which is supposed to disrupt any timers that might be on explosives and that she feared death from both the terrorists and people within the Pakistani government.
Comment by livingonli on 12/27/2007 23:32:26
livingonli on 12/27/2007 23:32:26
I never heard Huckabee's comment? What ignorant thing did he say?
Comment by Raine on 12/27/2007 23:48:56
Something to the effect of "we're lucky in America to have peaceful transitions in power...". :rolleyes2:
Raine on 12/27/2007 23:48:56
Quote by livingonli: I never heard Huckabee's comment? What ignorant thing did he say?
Something to the effect of "we're lucky in America to have peaceful transitions in power...". :rolleyes2:
Comment by livingonli on 12/27/2007 23:50:37
Do any of these Republicans follow what's really going on in the world or do they only watch Fox News?
livingonli on 12/27/2007 23:50:37
Quote by Raine:Quote by livingonli: I never heard Huckabee's comment? What ignorant thing did he say?
Something to the effect of "we're lucky in America to have peaceful transitions in power...". :rolleyes2:
Do any of these Republicans follow what's really going on in the world or do they only watch Fox News?
Comment by livingonli on 12/27/2007 23:58:49
livingonli on 12/27/2007 23:58:49
Senator Russ Feingold's statement:
“The assassination of Benazir Bhutto is terrible news for those who support a stabilized democracy in Pakistan, both in that country and around the world. Bhutto was a brave leader who was beloved by millions in Pakistan. The questions surrounding her assassination should have direct bearing on both the future of democracy in Pakistan and the relationship we will have with a country that is so critical in the fight against global terrorism.”
Comment by livingonli on 12/28/2007 00:10:11
livingonli on 12/28/2007 00:10:11
Well at least tonight I can unwind with a special Thursday night holiday week edition of Hockey Night in Canada with Montreal at Tampa Bay followed by Calgary at Vancouver.
Comment by livingonli on 12/28/2007 01:01:37
livingonli on 12/28/2007 01:01:37
Keith has a new show tonight.
Comment by livingonli on 12/28/2007 01:20:01
livingonli on 12/28/2007 01:20:01
They called Bush's statement "boilerplate".
Comment by Raine on 12/28/2007 01:30:30
Raine on 12/28/2007 01:30:30
Watching Keith...I have to say something very important... As Pakistan goes... so goes America.
Comment by Raine on 12/28/2007 01:34:39
He came off vacation for this. Tonite I thought was supposed to be a special comments recap.
Keith is doign an amazing job on this story, but that first woman, to me in my opinion was nothing more than a Bush apologist.
I have been watrchign TV all day, and at one point, Buchanan said something to the effect of the following: You go to war with the dictator you have, not the one you want.
He made Rummy look human. F*ckers.
Raine on 12/28/2007 01:34:39
Quote by livingonli: Keith has a new show tonight.
He came off vacation for this. Tonite I thought was supposed to be a special comments recap.
Keith is doign an amazing job on this story, but that first woman, to me in my opinion was nothing more than a Bush apologist.
I have been watrchign TV all day, and at one point, Buchanan said something to the effect of the following: You go to war with the dictator you have, not the one you want.
He made Rummy look human. F*ckers.
Comment by livingonli on 12/28/2007 01:50:59
livingonli on 12/28/2007 01:50:59
Are you going to listen to Mike tonight?
Comment by TriSec on 12/28/2007 02:13:01
TriSec on 12/28/2007 02:13:01
Passing through...
Thank God for mindless TV. We happened to catch most of the 2007 World Series movie on NESN this evening.
Still makes me all tingly, even on a day like today.
: hoping for better times :
Thank God for mindless TV. We happened to catch most of the 2007 World Series movie on NESN this evening.
Still makes me all tingly, even on a day like today.
: hoping for better times :
Comment by livingonli on 12/28/2007 02:49:51
livingonli on 12/28/2007 02:49:51
Anyone listening to Mike Malloy tonight? You may need to break out the hats bigtime. He ran an excerpt from an interview with Bhutto conducted by David Frost on the Al-Jazeera English channel and this little tidbit fell out that only the Malloys seemed to have noticed. In this interview, she discusses threats on her life and she says that one of the people who has been trying to kill her is a Sheik who was responsible for the assassination of Osama Bin Laden.
Is anyone else out there wondering about that little tidbit?
hats bigtime. He ran an excerpt from an interview with Bhutto conducted by David Frost on the Al-Jazeera English channel and this little tidbit fell out that only the Malloys seemed to have noticed. In this interview, she discusses threats on her life and she says that one of the people who has been trying to kill her is a Sheik who was responsible for the assassination of Osama Bin Laden.Is anyone else out there wondering about that little tidbit?
Comment by Raine on 12/28/2007 04:27:15
Raine on 12/28/2007 04:27:15
We just watched a few eps of the Wire. *sigh*.... Our country is so F'd up.
Comment by Raine on 12/28/2007 04:32:31
Holy crap. I missed that, but I will be searching the internets for this interview. I am telling you, this was a MIHOP Op.
Raine on 12/28/2007 04:32:31
Quote by livingonli: Anyone listening to Mike Malloy tonight? You may need to break out the
Comment by Raine on 12/28/2007 04:36:03
Raine on 12/28/2007 04:36:03
Liv... and others ... pass this one on, an thank the Malloys for bringing this to some attention:
Comment by livingonli on 12/28/2007 04:50:57
livingonli on 12/28/2007 04:50:57
It seems more like firing Mike Malloy still ranks as the biggest of the bonehead moves pulled by AAR. (and the list is getting much too long).
Comment by 
Will in Chicago on 12/28/2007 05:23:30
I am including a link to the Al Jazeera interview in Friday's UNN Daily Headlines: VIDEO - Benazir Bhutto interview with David Frost: Omar Saeed Sheikh murdered Ossama bin Laden
Here is the YouTube video.
Will in Chicago on 12/28/2007 05:23:30
Quote by livingonli: Anyone listening to Mike Malloy tonight? You may need to break out the
Is anyone else out there wondering about that little tidbit?
I am including a link to the Al Jazeera interview in Friday's UNN Daily Headlines: VIDEO - Benazir Bhutto interview with David Frost: Omar Saeed Sheikh murdered Ossama bin Laden
Here is the YouTube video.