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Iowa 
Huckabee
Author: BobR
Date: 01/04/2008 13:15:07
... or at least the Republicans there do. He won a decisive victory in the Republican caucus, sending Romney off to nurse his wounds. Thompson finished a surprising 3rd. Guiliani didn't even register on the scale. It was a result few would have predicted several months ago when Guiliani was the assumed candidate (with an endorsement from Pat Robertson), when Thompson got Rove's minions working for him, when Romney supposedly got the endorsement from the Southern Baptists (although that was later qualified as not).
The Democratic caucus results were less surprising, ending in essentially a 3-way tie, with Obama slightly ahead. Edwards came in second, and Hillary finished third (perhaps the only real surprise here). The other candidates barely registered at all. Sadly, the results prompted both Dodd and Biden to bow out of the race.
Because of this, we have removed the Dodd link from our ad/endorsement strip.
For all of us watching, we got to see amazing speeches by Obama and Edwards. Both were passionate, heartfelt, and emotionally evocative. Both showed their respective strengths as orators. Edwards stuck to his "two Americas" theme, asking us to help him fight for the downtrodden. Obama's speech was more hopeful in focus for the future. Edwards might want to think about putting more hope into his speeches and tame down some of the guilt.
Huckabee preached to the crowd like a pro, showing how his years in the pulpit have paid off. He - like the Democrats - was calling for change, in some ways the same as the Democrats, and in some ways very different. As the pundits proclaimed - this year, the leading candidates from the two major parties represent real choice. It (currently) isn't Republican -vs- Republican-lite.
So just how important are these results? From an emotional point of view, apparently enough for so-called "second tier" candidates to throw in the towel. But historically? Let's see how recent Presidential winners faired in the Iowa caucus:
Jimmy Carter: 27.7%
Reagan: 29.5% (to Bush's 31.6%)
Clinton: 2.8% (to Harkin's 76.4%)
Dubya: 41%
Clinton's results especially show why it's so disappointing to have Dodd and Biden bow out so early. While there is always a lot of weight given to the Iowa caucus, history shows that it is definitely not the harbinger of things to come. There are still 49 states to go; the end of the race is still there for the taking...
The Democratic caucus results were less surprising, ending in essentially a 3-way tie, with Obama slightly ahead. Edwards came in second, and Hillary finished third (perhaps the only real surprise here). The other candidates barely registered at all. Sadly, the results prompted both Dodd and Biden to bow out of the race.
Because of this, we have removed the Dodd link from our ad/endorsement strip. For all of us watching, we got to see amazing speeches by Obama and Edwards. Both were passionate, heartfelt, and emotionally evocative. Both showed their respective strengths as orators. Edwards stuck to his "two Americas" theme, asking us to help him fight for the downtrodden. Obama's speech was more hopeful in focus for the future. Edwards might want to think about putting more hope into his speeches and tame down some of the guilt.
Huckabee preached to the crowd like a pro, showing how his years in the pulpit have paid off. He - like the Democrats - was calling for change, in some ways the same as the Democrats, and in some ways very different. As the pundits proclaimed - this year, the leading candidates from the two major parties represent real choice. It (currently) isn't Republican -vs- Republican-lite.
So just how important are these results? From an emotional point of view, apparently enough for so-called "second tier" candidates to throw in the towel. But historically? Let's see how recent Presidential winners faired in the Iowa caucus:
Jimmy Carter: 27.7%
Reagan: 29.5% (to Bush's 31.6%)
Clinton: 2.8% (to Harkin's 76.4%)
Dubya: 41%
Clinton's results especially show why it's so disappointing to have Dodd and Biden bow out so early. While there is always a lot of weight given to the Iowa caucus, history shows that it is definitely not the harbinger of things to come. There are still 49 states to go; the end of the race is still there for the taking...
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Comment by 
TriSec on 01/04/2008 13:43:48
TriSec on 01/04/2008 13:43:48
Good Morning!
Huckabee is a total tool.
Mrs. TriSec had a question last night that I couldn't answer...why a caucus instead of a primary? Do any other states Caucus? Is there any advantage one over the other?
Never mind the unanswered eternal question why two tiny, white, rural, states get to go first where we might be better served by New York, Michigan, Ohio, or somewhere more....diverse?
Anyway, if our crack research staff has any answers for us poor unwashed simpletons, it would be greatly appreciated!
Oh, and in honor of New Hampshire next week, we've got some Stonyfield yogurt, Segways for everyone to ride, and of course, pure maple syrup!
Huckabee is a total tool.
Mrs. TriSec had a question last night that I couldn't answer...why a caucus instead of a primary? Do any other states Caucus? Is there any advantage one over the other?
Never mind the unanswered eternal question why two tiny, white, rural, states get to go first where we might be better served by New York, Michigan, Ohio, or somewhere more....diverse?
Anyway, if our crack research staff has any answers for us poor unwashed simpletons, it would be greatly appreciated!
Oh, and in honor of New Hampshire next week, we've got some Stonyfield yogurt, Segways for everyone to ride, and of course, pure maple syrup!
Comment by 
velveeta jones on 01/04/2008 13:48:15
velveeta jones on 01/04/2008 13:48:15
Morning all.
Velveeta is happier than a pig in shit over Edwards coming in #2!! Last night she danced around her bedroom butt nekkid, scaring the hell out of the dog and cat, (while her wife paid her no mind).
Who saw Mike Huckabee's speech? Could you see him over the glow from Chuck Norris' TEETH. OH-MY-GAWD!!!!
Those were some nuclear powered white teeth!!!!
Velveeta is happier than a pig in shit over Edwards coming in #2!! Last night she danced around her bedroom butt nekkid, scaring the hell out of the dog and cat, (while her wife paid her no mind).
Who saw Mike Huckabee's speech? Could you see him over the glow from Chuck Norris' TEETH. OH-MY-GAWD!!!!
Those were some nuclear powered white teeth!!!!
Comment by velveeta jones on 01/04/2008 14:01:15
velveeta jones on 01/04/2008 14:01:15
Who got a bit teary eyed during John's speech last night? (I did).
Comment by 
livingonli on 01/04/2008 14:10:47
livingonli on 01/04/2008 14:10:47
Good morning all. 
I've heard crusty old Mike Gravel did not drop out after all contrary to what MSNBC reported. .
And thanks to the crappy weather and me going out yesterday, I think I am catching a cold.
I've heard crusty old Mike Gravel did not drop out after all contrary to what MSNBC reported. .
And thanks to the crappy weather and me going out yesterday, I think I am catching a cold.
Comment by TriSec on 01/04/2008 14:19:41
TriSec on 01/04/2008 14:19:41
David Bender on TRMS, regarding aged candidates:
Think of members of your own family that are the same age as some of these candidates...
Do you let them drive? Would you want them outside unsupervised?
And we're going to elect someone that old and put their finger on the button?
I heard an interesting snippet on the news this am...Huckabee and Obama are both the youngest of the candidates in their respective races. Are we getting a little bit of a 'youth movement' from both sides of the aisle?
Think of members of your own family that are the same age as some of these candidates...
Do you let them drive? Would you want them outside unsupervised?
And we're going to elect someone that old and put their finger on the button?
I heard an interesting snippet on the news this am...Huckabee and Obama are both the youngest of the candidates in their respective races. Are we getting a little bit of a 'youth movement' from both sides of the aisle?
Comment by 
Raine on 01/04/2008 14:30:07
Raine on 01/04/2008 14:30:07
:rofl: Chucks Was so funny!!! He looked like a big HEAD floating all around Huck!
Comment by 
wickedpam on 01/04/2008 14:31:17
wickedpam on 01/04/2008 14:31:17
Morning! :hug:
As usual good opening blog, I've wondered why so much weight is given to ONE state when there are 49 others that still haven't spoken yet.
As usual good opening blog, I've wondered why so much weight is given to ONE state when there are 49 others that still haven't spoken yet.
Comment by wickedpam on 01/04/2008 14:37:26
Only saw clips this morning - thought I was the only one who couldn't stop staring at those teeth!
wickedpam on 01/04/2008 14:37:26
Quote by velveeta jones: Morning all.
edit
Who saw Mike Huckabee's speech? Could you see him over the glow from Chuck Norris' TEETH. OH-MY-GAWD!!!!
Only saw clips this morning - thought I was the only one who couldn't stop staring at those teeth!
Comment by livingonli on 01/04/2008 14:41:05
livingonli on 01/04/2008 14:41:05
Maybe Chuck Norris should stick to selling Total Gym's.
Comment by livingonli on 01/04/2008 14:47:00
livingonli on 01/04/2008 14:47:00
Maybe I should look for that old footage of Bruce Lee kicking Chuck Norris' ass.
Comment by livingonli on 01/04/2008 14:48:57
livingonli on 01/04/2008 14:48:57
Isn't Steph with her Republican Mom?
:oh dear:
:oh dear:
Comment by livingonli on 01/04/2008 14:52:03
livingonli on 01/04/2008 14:52:03
"Hey Marty, care to join me for a Marijuana cigarette." 
"I will slowly become Loser Town Guy."
"I will slowly become Loser Town Guy."
Comment by TriSec on 01/04/2008 14:52:38
TriSec on 01/04/2008 14:52:38
Ah, good ol' Chuck. Gee, how come when celebs endorse Republicans, the MSM doesn't seem to care?
Comment by TriSec on 01/04/2008 14:54:39
TriSec on 01/04/2008 14:54:39
scanning below....
Sends miracle cure to Long Island:
and
Works every time!
Sends miracle cure to Long Island:
and
Works every time!
Comment by livingonli on 01/04/2008 14:58:08
livingonli on 01/04/2008 14:58:08
Michael Ratner from the Center of Constitutional Rights will be on next issue.
Comment by wickedpam on 01/04/2008 14:58:20
I thought Steph was going skiing in Tahoe with the Cruises.
wickedpam on 01/04/2008 14:58:20
Quote by livingonli: Isn't Steph with her Republican Mom?
:oh dear:
I thought Steph was going skiing in Tahoe with the Cruises.
Comment by Raine on 01/04/2008 14:58:48
At one point, I thought those teeth morphed into a white cross floating around huckabee!
Raine on 01/04/2008 14:58:48
Quote by wickedpam:Only saw clips this morning - thought I was the only one who couldn't stop staring at those teeth!Quote by velveeta jones: Morning all. edit Who saw Mike Huckabee's speech? Could you see him over the glow from Chuck Norris' TEETH. OH-MY-GAWD!!!!
Comment by wickedpam on 01/04/2008 14:59:28
Because they are sucky celebs who people really aren't that popular.
wickedpam on 01/04/2008 14:59:28
Quote by TriSec: Ah, good ol' Chuck. Gee, how come when celebs endorse Republicans, the MSM doesn't seem to care?
Because they are sucky celebs who people really aren't that popular.
Comment by wickedpam on 01/04/2008 15:00:03
<--- coffee!
wickedpam on 01/04/2008 15:00:03
Quote by Raine:At one point, I thought those teeth morphed into a white cross floating around huckabee!Quote by wickedpam:Quote by velveeta jones: Morning all.
edit
Who saw Mike Huckabee's speech? Could you see him over the glow from Chuck Norris' TEETH. OH-MY-GAWD!!!!
Only saw clips this morning - thought I was the only one who couldn't stop staring at those teeth!
<--- coffee!
Comment by livingonli on 01/04/2008 15:01:24
Gee, you mean they should point out the hypocrisy of certain pundits who decry celebrities for getting involved in politics when they support Liberals.
: drama sting:
Thanks for the Medicinals, BTW.
livingonli on 01/04/2008 15:01:24
Quote by TriSec: Ah, good ol' Chuck. Gee, how come when celebs endorse Republicans, the MSM doesn't seem to care?
Gee, you mean they should point out the hypocrisy of certain pundits who decry celebrities for getting involved in politics when they support Liberals.
: drama sting:
Thanks for the Medicinals, BTW.
Comment by Raine on 01/04/2008 15:03:16
I think she did both.
Raine on 01/04/2008 15:03:16
Quote by wickedpam:I thought Steph was going skiing in Tahoe with the Cruises.Quote by livingonli: Isn't Steph with her Republican Mom? :oh dear:
Comment by TriSec on 01/04/2008 15:03:53
TriSec on 01/04/2008 15:03:53
Of course, the biggest question is, how come nobody noticed our endorsements?
:kickcan:
:kickcan:
Comment by wickedpam on 01/04/2008 15:06:46
wickedpam on 01/04/2008 15:06:46
Comment by livingonli on 01/04/2008 15:08:10
I think we need a big publicity stunt to get media attention for this humble website (and its sister forum) can get name recognition.
livingonli on 01/04/2008 15:08:10
Quote by TriSec: Of course, the biggest question is, how come nobody noticed our endorsements?
:kickcan:
I think we need a big publicity stunt to get media attention for this humble website (and its sister forum) can get name recognition.
Comment by livingonli on 01/04/2008 15:12:07
livingonli on 01/04/2008 15:12:07
There must really be a Homer Simpson workig in the nuclear industry.
Note, the Washington Post's website seems to be having connection issues.
Note, the Washington Post's website seems to be having connection issues.
Comment by wickedpam on 01/04/2008 15:13:27
Maybe a celeb endorsement of our own ;)
wickedpam on 01/04/2008 15:13:27
Quote by livingonli:Quote by TriSec: Of course, the biggest question is, how come nobody noticed our endorsements?
:kickcan:
I think we need a big publicity stunt to get media attention for this humble website (and its sister forum) can get name recognition.
Maybe a celeb endorsement of our own ;)
Comment by Raine on 01/04/2008 15:13:43
Raine on 01/04/2008 15:13:43
The following is an email I got from a very dear friend. He won't post on les blog, but he reads it daily. Last night, he had to vent, and instead of calling, he sent me an email. I just got of the phone with him for a post caucus vent. I am workign on getting SMcG ( 
) to come on over and post, put, He knows I am posting this wonderful riff...
SMcG has a damn good point. he's one of the best liberals I know, and has such a great grasp on the political process it astounds me.
) to come on over and post, put, He knows I am posting this wonderful riff...
Here's my pinko Commie rant for the night.
I always forget how much I hate this caucus process, especially by the (surprise!) Democrats. It reeks. If you're voting for a candidate who has less than that 15% support in your caucus, you can CHANGE YOUR VOTE in order for it to count? Because otherwise YOUR VOTE DOESN'T COUNT? Shame on the party, shame on the voters who switch allegiences and shame on Richardson and Kucinich for endorsing Obama as their second-choice candidates. Are you running for president or aren't you?
Basically, the party has no interest in voters voting their conscience, because it only prolongs the process and involves more of the country. Instead, they'd prefer we wrap things up quickly, at the expense of candidates who don't have enough money to create national support.
And God forbid you have an interest in this country's future but work the night shift, wait tables or otherwise can't show up at 7pm. Retirees and white-collar professionals only, please.
Sorry for the rant. No one else I know cares as much about this stuff as you do.
Hope all is well...
SMcG has a damn good point. he's one of the best liberals I know, and has such a great grasp on the political process it astounds me.
Comment by livingonli on 01/04/2008 15:15:01
livingonli on 01/04/2008 15:15:01
Bruce Lee kicked Chuck Norris' ass.
Comment by Raine on 01/04/2008 15:15:05
HMMMM....... I think y'all may be onto something!
Raine on 01/04/2008 15:15:05
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by livingonli:Quote by TriSec: Of course, the biggest question is, how come nobody noticed our endorsements?
:kickcan:
I think we need a big publicity stunt to get media attention for this humble website (and its sister forum) can get name recognition.
Maybe a celeb endorsement of our own ;)
Comment by wickedpam on 01/04/2008 15:26:43
Do I see some wheels turning?
wickedpam on 01/04/2008 15:26:43
Quote by Raine:HMMMM....... I think y'all may be onto something!Quote by wickedpam:Quote by livingonli:Quote by TriSec: Of course, the biggest question is, how come nobody noticed our endorsements?
:kickcan:
I think we need a big publicity stunt to get media attention for this humble website (and its sister forum) can get name recognition.
Maybe a celeb endorsement of our own ;)
Do I see some wheels turning?
Comment by 
starling310 on 01/04/2008 15:26:56
This is what I said yesterday. I think people who let someone else dictate who their "2nd choice" should be are shills. If I was going to vote for Dennis, that would be that. And, it's not up to Dennis to dictate where it should go if he isn't viable.
starling310 on 01/04/2008 15:26:56
Quote by Raine: The following is an email I got from a very dear friend. He won't post on les blog, but he reads it daily. Last night, he had to vent, and instead of calling, he sent me an email. I just got of the phone with him for a post caucus vent. I am workign on getting SMcG (
Here's my pinko Commie rant for the night.
I always forget how much I hate this caucus process, especially by the (surprise!) Democrats. It reeks. If you're voting for a candidate who has less than that 15% support in your caucus, you can CHANGE YOUR VOTE in order for it to count? Because otherwise YOUR VOTE DOESN'T COUNT? Shame on the party, shame on the voters who switch allegiences and shame on Richardson and Kucinich for endorsing Obama as their second-choice candidates. Are you running for president or aren't you?
Basically, the party has no interest in voters voting their conscience, because it only prolongs the process and involves more of the country. Instead, they'd prefer we wrap things up quickly, at the expense of candidates who don't have enough money to create national support.
And God forbid you have an interest in this country's future but work the night shift, wait tables or otherwise can't show up at 7pm. Retirees and white-collar professionals only, please.
Sorry for the rant. No one else I know cares as much about this stuff as you do.
Hope all is well...
SMcG has a damn good point. he's one of the best liberals I know, and has such a great grasp on the political process it astounds me.
This is what I said yesterday. I think people who let someone else dictate who their "2nd choice" should be are shills. If I was going to vote for Dennis, that would be that. And, it's not up to Dennis to dictate where it should go if he isn't viable.
Comment by Raine on 01/04/2008 15:30:11
it could be just the smell of burned rubber! :P
Raine on 01/04/2008 15:30:11
Quote by wickedpam:Do I see some wheels turning?Quote by Raine:HMMMM....... I think y'all may be onto something!Quote by wickedpam:Maybe a celeb endorsement of our own ;)Quote by livingonli:I think we need a big publicity stunt to get media attention for this humble website (and its sister forum) can get name recognition.Quote by TriSec: Of course, the biggest question is, how come nobody noticed our endorsements? :kickcan:
Comment by TriSec on 01/04/2008 15:39:48
TriSec on 01/04/2008 15:39:48
Hmm...I know a bunch of jazz musicians, but that's kind of special interest.
How about I extend an invite to a certain First Cousin that can't stand his relative 400 miles to the southwest?
How about I extend an invite to a certain First Cousin that can't stand his relative 400 miles to the southwest?
Comment by TriSec on 01/04/2008 15:50:51
TriSec on 01/04/2008 15:50:51
NICE!
Caller on Last night's TRMS:
"I consider John Edwards to be the incumbent, non-serving Vice President"
Caller on Last night's TRMS:
"I consider John Edwards to be the incumbent, non-serving Vice President"
Comment by Raine on 01/04/2008 15:51:24
It would be a great way to keep in touch, ya know.
Raine on 01/04/2008 15:51:24
Quote by TriSec: Hmm...I know a bunch of jazz musicians, but that's kind of special interest. How about I extend an invite to a certain First Cousin that can't stand his relative 400 miles to the southwest?
Comment by 
BobR on 01/04/2008 15:53:06
Andrea Mitchell pointed out something similar last night, re: Shillary's crowd. The room was empty, then suddenly it was full of cheering throngs, then suddenly it was empty again.
Can you say "manufactured media event"?
Sure you can!
BobR on 01/04/2008 15:53:06
Quote by wickedpam:
The things you learn on TMZ
Prez Candidates Attract Phony Bar Patrons
Andrea Mitchell pointed out something similar last night, re: Shillary's crowd. The room was empty, then suddenly it was full of cheering throngs, then suddenly it was empty again.
Can you say "manufactured media event"?
Sure you can!
Comment by BobR on 01/04/2008 15:55:26
Certainly couldn't hurt!
BobR on 01/04/2008 15:55:26
Quote by TriSec: Hmm...I know a bunch of jazz musicians, but that's kind of special interest.
How about I extend an invite to a certain First Cousin that can't stand his relative 400 miles to the southwest?
Certainly couldn't hurt!
Comment by livingonli on 01/04/2008 15:56:16
That's our Shillary.
livingonli on 01/04/2008 15:56:16
Quote by BobR:Quote by wickedpam:
The things you learn on TMZ
Prez Candidates Attract Phony Bar Patrons
Andrea Mitchell pointed out something similar last night, re: Shillary's crowd. The room was empty, then suddenly it was full of cheering throngs, then suddenly it was empty again.
Can you say "manufactured media event"?
Sure you can!
That's our Shillary.
Comment by Raine on 01/04/2008 16:01:20
Raine on 01/04/2008 16:01:20
Liv, do you get the Daily News or the Post? What are they saying? I heard a report that hillary is accusing Barack of serious improprieties in Iowa. I need the article link. She said basically that he won by cheating. This is what is in the print edition of the paper today, I just don't know which one right now. SMcG is no longer available on the phone, and I forgot to ask him from which paper he was reading to me when I was on the phone with him.
Comment by BobR on 01/04/2008 16:01:37
Wow - the site is working now, and you have to wonder yet again about the whole outsourcing and privatizing mess, and how people can still think it's a good idea...
BobR on 01/04/2008 16:01:37
Quote by livingonli: There must really be a Homer Simpson workig in the nuclear industry.
Note, the Washington Post's website seems to be having connection issues.
Wow - the site is working now, and you have to wonder yet again about the whole outsourcing and privatizing mess, and how people can still think it's a good idea...
Comment by BobR on 01/04/2008 16:02:32
:canned laughter:
"We'll be right back after these messages!"
BobR on 01/04/2008 16:02:32
Quote by livingonli:
That's our Shillary.
:canned laughter:
"We'll be right back after these messages!"
Comment by livingonli on 01/04/2008 16:06:12
I usually only get Newsday and I haven't picked up the paper yet. I usually go out after the show to get the paper.
And anything from the Post I wouldn't trust within an inch of its life.
livingonli on 01/04/2008 16:06:12
Quote by Raine: Liv, do you get the Daily News or the Post? What are they saying? I heard a report that hillary is accusing Barack of serious improprieties in Iowa. I need the article link. She said basically that he won by cheating. This is what is in the print edition of the paper today, I just don't know which one right now. SMcG is no longer available on the phone, and I forgot to ask him from which paper he was reading to me when I was on the phone with him.
I usually only get Newsday and I haven't picked up the paper yet. I usually go out after the show to get the paper.
And anything from the Post I wouldn't trust within an inch of its life.
Comment by Raine on 01/04/2008 16:08:42
Raine on 01/04/2008 16:08:42
DAN RAHTER!!! I 
me some Dan!
me some Dan!
Comment by livingonli on 01/04/2008 16:09:09
livingonli on 01/04/2008 16:09:09
Dow Jones is down 206 points this morning.
Comment by Raine on 01/04/2008 16:09:55
I understand about the post, but I still need this article. There are direct quotes.
Raine on 01/04/2008 16:09:55
Quote by livingonli:I usually only get Newsday and I haven't picked up the paper yet. I usually go out after the show to get the paper. And anything from the Post I wouldn't trust within an inch of its life.Quote by Raine: Liv, do you get the Daily News or the Post? What are they saying? I heard a report that hillary is accusing Barack of serious improprieties in Iowa. I need the article link. She said basically that he won by cheating. This is what is in the print edition of the paper today, I just don't know which one right now. SMcG is no longer available on the phone, and I forgot to ask him from which paper he was reading to me when I was on the phone with him.
Comment by Raine on 01/04/2008 16:16:50
Raine on 01/04/2008 16:16:50
What is wrong with Voting MAchines? ... What isn't wrong with them????
Comment by livingonli on 01/04/2008 16:19:59
When I head out I will look for it.
livingonli on 01/04/2008 16:19:59
Quote by Raine:I understand about the post, but I still need this article. There are direct quotes.Quote by livingonli:Quote by Raine: Liv, do you get the Daily News or the Post? What are they saying? I heard a report that hillary is accusing Barack of serious improprieties in Iowa. I need the article link. She said basically that he won by cheating. This is what is in the print edition of the paper today, I just don't know which one right now. SMcG is no longer available on the phone, and I forgot to ask him from which paper he was reading to me when I was on the phone with him.
I usually only get Newsday and I haven't picked up the paper yet. I usually go out after the show to get the paper.
And anything from the Post I wouldn't trust within an inch of its life.
When I head out I will look for it.
Comment by starling310 on 01/04/2008 16:22:08
Manufactured
Media
Event
starling310 on 01/04/2008 16:22:08
Quote by BobR:Quote by wickedpam:
The things you learn on TMZ
Prez Candidates Attract Phony Bar Patrons
Andrea Mitchell pointed out something similar last night, re: Shillary's crowd. The room was empty, then suddenly it was full of cheering throngs, then suddenly it was empty again.
Can you say "manufactured media event"?
Sure you can!
Manufactured
Media
Event
Comment by Raine on 01/04/2008 16:27:09
Raine on 01/04/2008 16:27:09
Comment by Raine on 01/04/2008 16:37:25
Raine on 01/04/2008 16:37:25
Rebekkah!!!! IN DA HOUSE!!!!
Comment by livingonli on 01/04/2008 16:43:05
Not everyone gets two weeks vacation. Then again,
was working on Christmas Day.
livingonli on 01/04/2008 16:43:05
Quote by Raine: Rebekkah!!!! IN DA HOUSE!!!!
Not everyone gets two weeks vacation. Then again,
was working on Christmas Day.
Comment by livingonli on 01/04/2008 17:04:49
livingonli on 01/04/2008 17:04:49
It's now up to 29 degrees. Since 10 AM, it has been warmer than it ever was all day yesterday.
Comment by Raine on 01/04/2008 17:11:21
Raine on 01/04/2008 17:11:21
Liv, just found out that the newspaper acually was the NY Observer... Everyone... check this shit out: Clinton Volunteer thinks Obama cheated...
Now, this may not be hillary herself, but I SERIOUSLY think the campaign needs to get out ahead of this. otherwise, someone like me would be inclined to think this was orchestrated by the campaign.
She said that in the precincts, people don't have to show proof of where they're from to caucus, and she thought that lots of people must have come in from out of state to caucus for Obama.
"They don't have to prove that they live here when they sign in," she said.
She suggested that Obama's "persuaders" - the people responsible for poaching supporters of non-viable candidates at the caucuses - were campaign plants. "Their persuaders were official staffers, and they're not supposed to be," she said.
Why did she think that?
"Because they came on gangbusters and knew all their facts, and with normal people you just don't get that," she said.
Now, this may not be hillary herself, but I SERIOUSLY think the campaign needs to get out ahead of this. otherwise, someone like me would be inclined to think this was orchestrated by the campaign.
Comment by livingonli on 01/04/2008 17:27:31
livingonli on 01/04/2008 17:27:31
No love for Hillary amongst the comments. Can't get the Observer here, but that's an online article since it's a weekly paper. Just like I can't get the Village Voice here in the burbs anymore.
Comment by TriSec on 01/04/2008 18:16:20
TriSec on 01/04/2008 18:16:20
Hilary going for the 'sour grapes' angle already?
Listen, if you're going to accuse the other side of cheating, at least wait until the general election, hmm?
I don't know what she's hoping to accomplish with this...from where I sit it's the BIG POLITICAL MACHINE attempting to intimidate the little guy.
Listen, if you're going to accuse the other side of cheating, at least wait until the general election, hmm?
I don't know what she's hoping to accomplish with this...from where I sit it's the BIG POLITICAL MACHINE attempting to intimidate the little guy.
Comment by starling310 on 01/04/2008 18:16:39
starling310 on 01/04/2008 18:16:39
From Chris Dodd's office:
:hug: -----> chris dodd
Fellow Democrats,
As many of you may have heard, Senator Dodd has decided, after a hard-fought campaign that will be remembered for its professionalism, compassion and insightfulness, to withdraw from the race for the Democratic nomination for the 2008 Presidential election. Although Senator Dodd did not achieve the results in Iowa for which he had hoped, we all remain extremely proud of his tireless efforts to address the issues that are important to every citizen of Connecticut and of this great country. Senator Dodd was a vital part of the discussion on issues such as ending our involvement in the Iraq civil war, restoring our security, reversing the effects of global warming, and ensuring that all Americans have access to affordable quality health care. Fortunately for us, Senator Dodd will continue to fight for us on these issues in the United States Senate.
Please join me, along with Senator Dodd's family and his many friends and supporters, for a very special event to welcome the Senator home and to thank him as he returns from his Presidential campaign.
:hug: -----> chris dodd
Comment by starling310 on 01/04/2008 18:27:56
starling310 on 01/04/2008 18:27:56
I agree with this caller on with Thom.
Comment by TriSec on 01/04/2008 19:22:45
TriSec on 01/04/2008 19:22:45
Comment by wickedpam on 01/04/2008 19:23:49
wickedpam on 01/04/2008 19:23:49
202? That's a DC number
Comment by wickedpam on 01/04/2008 19:24:17
wickedpam on 01/04/2008 19:24:17
You okay Tri?
Comment by livingonli on 01/04/2008 19:33:36
livingonli on 01/04/2008 19:33:36
Well vacation time's over. Time to head back to the salt mine. 
Comment by starling310 on 01/04/2008 19:41:51
starling310 on 01/04/2008 19:41:51
There should just be a National Primary Day;
Everyone votes in the Primary at the same time!
Everyone votes in the Primary at the same time!
Comment by Raine on 01/04/2008 20:09:19
Raine on 01/04/2008 20:09:19
Comment by wickedpam on 01/04/2008 20:09:40
wickedpam on 01/04/2008 20:09:40
That's a good idea Star.
Comment by BobR on 01/04/2008 20:10:05
BobR on 01/04/2008 20:10:05
Comment by Raine on 01/04/2008 20:11:11
Raine on 01/04/2008 20:11:11
I myself am so thrilled at the turnout of democrats in Iowa. I hope that is a sign of things to come for the entire primary process... AND into the general election!!!
Comment by Raine on 01/04/2008 20:12:15
a special for :nerd:,
:heart:, Raine
Raine on 01/04/2008 20:12:15
for :nerd:,
Comment by Raine on 01/04/2008 21:13:18
Raine on 01/04/2008 21:13:18
I broke the blog I think.
Comment by livingonli on 01/04/2008 21:27:50
livingonli on 01/04/2008 21:27:50
It's been known to happen.
Comment by 
Mondobubba on 01/04/2008 21:30:29
Mondobubba on 01/04/2008 21:30:29
Afternoon all. Dropping by afore I take a well deserved nap. I was up waaay too late reading the harrowing tale of Jason Mewes' (aka Jay) battle and victory over heroin addiction. It take up about 60 pages in Kevin Smith's My Boring Ass Life; The Uncomfortably Candid Diary of Kevin Smith.
Everybody should have a friend like Mr Smith to get them through the hard time.
Bobber & Raine! Plant yer asses on the couch, grab the remote and fire up the HBO on Demand! The first episode of Season 5 of "The Wire" is up!
Actually all of you mooks should be watching! I've only been harping about this show for at least the past year. It is hands down, the best thing on TV.
Everybody should have a friend like Mr Smith to get them through the hard time.
Bobber & Raine! Plant yer asses on the couch, grab the remote and fire up the HBO on Demand! The first episode of Season 5 of "The Wire" is up!
Actually all of you mooks should be watching! I've only been harping about this show for at least the past year. It is hands down, the best thing on TV.
Comment by velveeta jones on 01/04/2008 21:46:22
Hey get a room why doncha...........
velveeta jones on 01/04/2008 21:46:22
Quote by Raine:a special
:heart:, Raine
Hey get a room why doncha...........
Comment by velveeta jones on 01/04/2008 21:50:21
velveeta jones on 01/04/2008 21:50:21
Kevin Smith wrote a book? I'll have to check it out.
Speaking of heroin.....if'n you want to see the best movie ever about drug addiction, imo (and since I see you enjoy The Wire) check out a movie called "Acts of Worship" the director - I believe she's directed an episode of The Wire.
Speaking of heroin.....if'n you want to see the best movie ever about drug addiction, imo (and since I see you enjoy The Wire) check out a movie called "Acts of Worship" the director - I believe she's directed an episode of The Wire.
Comment by livingonli on 01/04/2008 21:50:22
Glad someone said it.
livingonli on 01/04/2008 21:50:22
Quote by velveeta jones:Quote by Raine:a special
:heart:, Raine
Hey get a room why doncha...........
Glad someone said it.
Comment by 
MMB on 01/04/2008 22:20:41
MMB on 01/04/2008 22:20:41
Hi everyone i am going to try the Nyquil and Brandy route. It has to be better for the flu than all the other stuff I have tried. Take care stay warm!! And just for the heck of it
And just for the heck of it
Comment by livingonli on 01/04/2008 22:52:12
livingonli on 01/04/2008 22:52:12
I have Nyquil but no brandy.
Comment by BobR on 01/04/2008 23:13:07
been there, done that...
:P
BobR on 01/04/2008 23:13:07
Quote by Mondobubba:
Bobber & Raine! Plant yer asses on the couch, grab the remote and fire up the HBO on Demand! The first episode of Season 5 of "The Wire" is up!
been there, done that...
:P
Comment by Mondobubba on 01/04/2008 23:38:49
Two books actually. My Boring Ass Life is culled from Kevin's blog, also called "My Boring Ass Life". And Silent Bob Speaks. Oh fuck, I'm being a fanboy! :thud:
Mondobubba on 01/04/2008 23:38:49
Quote by velveeta jones: Kevin Smith wrote a book? I'll have to check it out.
Speaking of heroin.....if'n you want to see the best movie ever about drug addiction, imo (and since I see you enjoy The Wire) check out a movie called "Acts of Worship" the director - I believe she's directed an episode of The Wire.
Two books actually. My Boring Ass Life is culled from Kevin's blog, also called "My Boring Ass Life". And Silent Bob Speaks. Oh fuck, I'm being a fanboy! :thud:
Comment by Mondobubba on 01/04/2008 23:40:58
Bite me, Mr Superior!
if your woman would answer her emmeffing phone from time to time, I wouldn't be reduced to yammering about the "The Wire" on the das blog! :modbat:
Mondobubba on 01/04/2008 23:40:58
Quote by BobR:Quote by Mondobubba:
Bobber & Raine! Plant yer asses on the couch, grab the remote and fire up the HBO on Demand! The first episode of Season 5 of "The Wire" is up!
been there, done that...
:P
Bite me, Mr Superior!
if your woman would answer her emmeffing phone from time to time, I wouldn't be reduced to yammering about the "The Wire" on the das blog! :modbat:
Comment by livingonli on 01/05/2008 00:27:49
I'm still wondering what this was about.
livingonli on 01/05/2008 00:27:49
Quote by TriSec:
I'm still wondering what this was about.
Comment by Mondobubba on 01/05/2008 01:07:44
Mondobubba on 01/05/2008 01:07:44
John Edwards is on with Keith!
Edwards is on with Keith!
Comment by livingonli on 01/05/2008 01:35:33
livingonli on 01/05/2008 01:35:33
The Knicks are in San Antonio tonight. Will it be as bad as when they played the Celtics a few weeks ago?
Comment by TriSec on 01/05/2008 03:36:30
TriSec on 01/05/2008 03:36:30
Comment by livingonli on 01/05/2008 03:39:17
livingonli on 01/05/2008 03:39:17
What up, Tri?