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Sick and Tired
Author: BobR
Date: 07/08/2011 12:34:40
As noted in yesterday's excellent blog by Raine, the immediate and far-reaching outrage over a headline in the newspaper is premature, and likely misplaced. Once again, the purveyors of anger on the left against The Left have sewn mistrust against the best president we've had in our lifetimes.
It would be one thing if my fellow liberals and progressives looked at them as the loons that they are. Have they ever written anything in support of the president? We know that some members of the "Professional Left" are making money from the professional right, but we've covered that one before. What irks me no end are the smart, informed people that should know better that start blasting their emotional shotguns in all directions every time one of these writers spews out yet another angry screed magnifying some tiny (or imagined) misdeed by President Obama.
Once the bile is foaming, there's no talking to these people. If you ask them to wait until all the facts are out, you're called naive or stupid. If you point out that the headline in question is misleading and the facts speak otherwise, you're told that the headline - not the facts - falls in line with all of his previous "transgressions".
And - ultimately - if you are proven correct, and point out that they got riled up over nothing, they will sullenly admit only that Obama did the right thing THIS time, but it he should have also done A, B, and C, and that doesn't negate all the previous misdeeds, and they are not going to be so easily won over, and warily state that they have their eye on him, and remember when he did THIS horrible thing??.... blah, blah, blah...
I have two words for you people:
FUCK OFF
I am sick and tired of your constant negativity. I am worn out by your addiction to outrage. I am way past your knee-jerk opposition carrying over from the previous administration. If you think President Obama is no better than Bush (or the same as), then you are a complete idiot. If you think President Obama has not accomplished anything worthwhile while in office, then you have blinders on, and you REALLY need to get over the fact that Hillary Clinton did not win the presidency (much less Dennis Kucinich).
I've written on more than one occassion about all of the accomplishments of his presidency. There's also the matter of what he can't accomplish as president. Sometimes, it requires Congress to take action. No "Public Option" in the health care bill? Blame the blue dogs in the Senate (and don't forget that what IS in that Act required using the budget reconciliation maneuver). DOMA? That's going to require the Congress or the Supreme Court to change (which brings up another important point as to why President Obama needs to be re-elected).
Now that he has to deal with a Republican-led House, the ability to get ANYTHING done is nearly impossible. All of you assholes that constantly denegrate everything the president does (and the firebagger "journalists") are to blame for that, for not voting and for inspiring others on the left to not vote. Ed Schultz once again proclaimed he will not vote for Obama in 2012 because of this perceived attack on Social Security. Ed is not very bright. Ed can fuck off too.
Our only hope against the goose-stepping well-(financially)-oiled Republican machine is a certain amount of solidarity on our side. Does the country really have to go into the shitter before you will grudgingly support a Democrat that isn't a progressive wet-dream? Really?...
If that's the case - our demise rests on your shoulders. I hope you're happy... not.
It would be one thing if my fellow liberals and progressives looked at them as the loons that they are. Have they ever written anything in support of the president? We know that some members of the "Professional Left" are making money from the professional right, but we've covered that one before. What irks me no end are the smart, informed people that should know better that start blasting their emotional shotguns in all directions every time one of these writers spews out yet another angry screed magnifying some tiny (or imagined) misdeed by President Obama.
Once the bile is foaming, there's no talking to these people. If you ask them to wait until all the facts are out, you're called naive or stupid. If you point out that the headline in question is misleading and the facts speak otherwise, you're told that the headline - not the facts - falls in line with all of his previous "transgressions".
And - ultimately - if you are proven correct, and point out that they got riled up over nothing, they will sullenly admit only that Obama did the right thing THIS time, but it he should have also done A, B, and C, and that doesn't negate all the previous misdeeds, and they are not going to be so easily won over, and warily state that they have their eye on him, and remember when he did THIS horrible thing??.... blah, blah, blah...
I have two words for you people:
FUCK OFF
I am sick and tired of your constant negativity. I am worn out by your addiction to outrage. I am way past your knee-jerk opposition carrying over from the previous administration. If you think President Obama is no better than Bush (or the same as), then you are a complete idiot. If you think President Obama has not accomplished anything worthwhile while in office, then you have blinders on, and you REALLY need to get over the fact that Hillary Clinton did not win the presidency (much less Dennis Kucinich).
I've written on more than one occassion about all of the accomplishments of his presidency. There's also the matter of what he can't accomplish as president. Sometimes, it requires Congress to take action. No "Public Option" in the health care bill? Blame the blue dogs in the Senate (and don't forget that what IS in that Act required using the budget reconciliation maneuver). DOMA? That's going to require the Congress or the Supreme Court to change (which brings up another important point as to why President Obama needs to be re-elected).
Now that he has to deal with a Republican-led House, the ability to get ANYTHING done is nearly impossible. All of you assholes that constantly denegrate everything the president does (and the firebagger "journalists") are to blame for that, for not voting and for inspiring others on the left to not vote. Ed Schultz once again proclaimed he will not vote for Obama in 2012 because of this perceived attack on Social Security. Ed is not very bright. Ed can fuck off too.
Our only hope against the goose-stepping well-(financially)-oiled Republican machine is a certain amount of solidarity on our side. Does the country really have to go into the shitter before you will grudgingly support a Democrat that isn't a progressive wet-dream? Really?...
If that's the case - our demise rests on your shoulders. I hope you're happy... not.
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Comment by 
wickedpam on 07/08/2011 12:52:36
wickedpam on 07/08/2011 12:52:36
Morning 
Comment by 
Scoopster on 07/08/2011 13:02:30
Scoopster on 07/08/2011 13:02:30
Mornin' all & Happy Fridee! 
Well said Bobber.. if outrage is the only thing these idiots are capable of understanding, throw it back at their face.
Well said Bobber.. if outrage is the only thing these idiots are capable of understanding, throw it back at their face.
Comment by 
Raine on 07/08/2011 13:20:02
Raine on 07/08/2011 13:20:02
Well fuckyouverymuch too bobber!
Good Morning!
Good Morning!
Comment by 
BobR on 07/08/2011 13:23:01
BobR on 07/08/2011 13:23:01
Comment by Scoopster on 07/08/2011 13:34:02
Scoopster on 07/08/2011 13:34:02
Coffee awaits us.. indeed
Comment by 
TriSec on 07/08/2011 13:38:36
TriSec on 07/08/2011 13:38:36
Morning, Comrades!
Well, let me put away my "Ambivalent on Obama" t-shirt here....
No, no...I know he's done all he can. The blame lays at the feet of Congress and their obstructionism. Curiously enough, my differently-winged friends agree with me that the Senate is where bills go to die. Of course, they are mostly thankful for it, while we rail against it. How quickly they forget; the same thing happened under the Bush regime. I doubt that will change anytime soon.
The true nature of all the histrionics is the media and the messaging; we all know that the liberal media is a myth, but somehow the rest of the US still believes it. Like a certain German said long ago, keep repeating a lie and eventually people will believe it to be the truth.
Well, let me put away my "Ambivalent on Obama" t-shirt here....
No, no...I know he's done all he can. The blame lays at the feet of Congress and their obstructionism. Curiously enough, my differently-winged friends agree with me that the Senate is where bills go to die. Of course, they are mostly thankful for it, while we rail against it. How quickly they forget; the same thing happened under the Bush regime. I doubt that will change anytime soon.
The true nature of all the histrionics is the media and the messaging; we all know that the liberal media is a myth, but somehow the rest of the US still believes it. Like a certain German said long ago, keep repeating a lie and eventually people will believe it to be the truth.
Comment by Raine on 07/08/2011 13:45:00
Raine on 07/08/2011 13:45:00
Comment by 
Mondobubba on 07/08/2011 13:56:45
Mondobubba on 07/08/2011 13:56:45
Damn Bobber! Well said. 
Comment by wickedpam on 07/08/2011 13:59:55
wickedpam on 07/08/2011 13:59:55
Comment by TriSec on 07/08/2011 14:01:45
TriSec on 07/08/2011 14:01:45
Should the shuttle actually get off today, I look forward to the last time my blood turns to ice at the phrase "Roger, go with throttle up".
Remember Challenger and Columbia today.
Remember Challenger and Columbia today.
Comment by Raine on 07/08/2011 14:07:32
It's a graphic design compnay:
Raine on 07/08/2011 14:07:32
Quote by wickedpam:
Yes I know its Perez Hilton
Possible Replacement for NOTW
so does anyone know who owns MediaSpring?
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/08/2011 14:22:37
Mondobubba on 07/08/2011 14:22:37
Comment by wickedpam on 07/08/2011 14:23:08
I'd done a simple google and found a MediaSpring (or 2) just wasn't sure which one it was
I'm curious to see if they use or sell it and to whom
wickedpam on 07/08/2011 14:23:08
Quote by Raine:It's a graphic design compnay:Quote by wickedpam:
Yes I know its Perez Hilton
Possible Replacement for NOTW
so does anyone know who owns MediaSpring?
I'd done a simple google and found a MediaSpring (or 2) just wasn't sure which one it was
I'm curious to see if they use or sell it and to whom
Comment by forrest on 07/08/2011 14:24:42
Negativity can get to be a habit with some, and old habits can be hard to break. As far as the media pundits, I refuse to let any of them control what I think or how I react. There's far too many that make obscene amounts of money shooting off their mouths, and the only way they can keep getting those obscene amounts of money is to be controversial. But it is a contrived controversy, only for the sake of ratings and the almighty dollar.
As far as Obama, I live in Illinois, heard him speak in person many times when he ran for the Senate, and followed his record while in the Senate. Why people ever thought he was a flaming progressive, I'll never know. Much of what he said has been what he has tried to do as President, stepping up the war in Afghanistan as an example. But until you hear this man speak in person, you really don't know the charisma he has. He can really grab your attention, he's got the ability to reach out to people in a group as if he's talking to you individually. That some were caught up in that charisma is to be expected, and when that happens what Obama actually said was lost in the beauty of how he said it.
As far as Obama, I live in Illinois, heard him speak in person many times when he ran for the Senate, and followed his record while in the Senate. Why people ever thought he was a flaming progressive, I'll never know. Much of what he said has been what he has tried to do as President, stepping up the war in Afghanistan as an example. But until you hear this man speak in person, you really don't know the charisma he has. He can really grab your attention, he's got the ability to reach out to people in a group as if he's talking to you individually. That some were caught up in that charisma is to be expected, and when that happens what Obama actually said was lost in the beauty of how he said it.
Comment by Raine on 07/08/2011 14:30:02
I know that Bob posted it in his blog, but it worth a repost again, especially wrt to what you mention as the paid punditry.
Mercenary Ideologists
In particular:
Raine on 07/08/2011 14:30:02
Quote by forrest:
Negativity can get to be a habit with some, and old habits can be hard to break. As far as the media pundits, I refuse to let any of them control what I think or how I react. There's far too many that make obscene amounts of money shooting off their mouths, and the only way they can keep getting those obscene amounts of money is to be controversial. But it is a contrived controversy, only for the sake of ratings and the almighty dollar.
As far as Obama, I live in Illinois, heard him speak in person many times when he ran for the Senate, and followed his record while in the Senate. Why people ever thought he was a flaming progressive, I'll never know. Much of what he said has been what he has tried to do as President, stepping up the war in Afghanistan as an example. But until you hear this man speak in person, you really don't know the charisma he has. He can really grab your attention, he's got the ability to reach out to people in a group as if he's talking to you individually. That some were caught up in that charisma is to be expected, and when that happens what Obama actually said was lost in the beauty of how he said it.
Mercenary Ideologists
In particular:
The bottom line is that the "Professional Left" does not make money by being happy clappy Kum Ba Ya liberals. They make money by dashing off angry screeds that end up raising similar emotions in their readers. Their targets are whoever is in power, regardless of ideology. There may be some purists out there, but from what I've seen, they're mostly mercenaries.
Comment by Raine on 07/08/2011 14:30:51
Raine on 07/08/2011 14:30:51
and it's nice to see you forrest!
Comment by Raine on 07/08/2011 14:38:10
Raine on 07/08/2011 14:38:10
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/08/2011 14:41:30
has the weather cleared down that way? Last I heard they were socked in by clouds.
Mondobubba on 07/08/2011 14:41:30
Quote by Raine:
For those that want to, you can watch the Shuttle launch, here.
has the weather cleared down that way? Last I heard they were socked in by clouds.
Comment by 
clintster on 07/08/2011 14:43:14
I'm actually hoping for one final scrub so I can see it live Sunday or Monday. We're headed to Tampa for the annual gathering of the clan Mrs. Clintster.
I do agree with you on the throttle up moment, Tri. I always hold my breath between that moment and SRB sep.
clintster on 07/08/2011 14:43:14
Quote by TriSec:
Should the shuttle actually get off today, I look forward to the last time my blood turns to ice at the phrase "Roger, go with throttle up".
Remember Challenger and Columbia today.
I'm actually hoping for one final scrub so I can see it live Sunday or Monday. We're headed to Tampa for the annual gathering of the clan Mrs. Clintster.
I do agree with you on the throttle up moment, Tri. I always hold my breath between that moment and SRB sep.
Comment by Raine on 07/08/2011 14:45:36
Raine on 07/08/2011 14:45:36
The Show, the launch and the Potus... I am totally multitasking this morning's ass out!
Comment by Raine on 07/08/2011 14:48:05
They are still a go. Waiting for a storm to pass just north I think they just said.
Raine on 07/08/2011 14:48:05
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
For those that want to, you can watch the Shuttle launch, here.
has the weather cleared down that way? Last I heard they were socked in by clouds.
They are still a go. Waiting for a storm to pass just north I think they just said.
Comment by Raine on 07/08/2011 14:50:00
Raine on 07/08/2011 14:50:00
Actaully, Dick Cheney does not have a beating heart... that is a fact.
Comment by TriSec on 07/08/2011 15:11:56
TriSec on 07/08/2011 15:11:56
Looks like it's still a go; calling for about an 11:26 launch.
Comment by Scoopster on 07/08/2011 15:12:50
Scoopster on 07/08/2011 15:12:50
Looks kinda overcast down there..
Comment by Raine on 07/08/2011 15:19:55
the countdown hold was liofted
Raine on 07/08/2011 15:19:55
Quote by TriSec:
Looks like it's still a go; calling for about an 11:26 launch.
Comment by Raine on 07/08/2011 15:20:27
this is really it, huh?
Raine on 07/08/2011 15:20:27
this is really it, huh?
Comment by Scoopster on 07/08/2011 15:24:53
Scoopster on 07/08/2011 15:24:53
Heeeeere we go...
Comment by Raine on 07/08/2011 15:26:21
Raine on 07/08/2011 15:26:21
Love that I get to share this with you guys.
Comment by Raine on 07/08/2011 15:27:44
Raine on 07/08/2011 15:27:44
Oh dear.
Comment by Raine on 07/08/2011 15:31:01
Raine on 07/08/2011 15:31:01
So beautiful.
Comment by TriSec on 07/08/2011 15:33:16
OK, I think we can all start breathing again.
TriSec on 07/08/2011 15:33:16
OK, I think we can all start breathing again.
Comment by Raine on 07/08/2011 15:33:46
Raine on 07/08/2011 15:33:46
Did the stream just go quiet??? or is it just us here at ahome?
Comment by Raine on 07/08/2011 15:34:33
Raine on 07/08/2011 15:34:33
Whew it's back.
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/08/2011 15:44:34
Mondobubba on 07/08/2011 15:44:34
Your Florida correspondent seems to be about two steps away from a break down. He is very confused by this.
Comment by wickedpam on 07/08/2011 15:45:57
? you okay?
wickedpam on 07/08/2011 15:45:57
Quote by Mondobubba:
Your Florida correspondent seems to be about two steps away from a break down. He is very confused by this.
? you okay?
Comment by clintster on 07/08/2011 15:46:20
clintster on 07/08/2011 15:46:20
That was amazing. If I didn't get to watch it in person, I am glad that I got to share it with my family, and my friends. 
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/08/2011 15:50:35
Umm yes, no. I don't know I have been on the edge of tears for the past half hour or so. I don't know why. I don't like it.
Mondobubba on 07/08/2011 15:50:35
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:
Your Florida correspondent seems to be about two steps away from a break down. He is very confused by this.
? you okay?
Umm yes, no. I don't know I have been on the edge of tears for the past half hour or so. I don't know why. I don't like it.
Comment by clintster on 07/08/2011 15:53:11
The one song I can think of that was written about the Shuttle. Go STS-135!
clintster on 07/08/2011 15:53:11
The one song I can think of that was written about the Shuttle. Go STS-135!
Comment by Raine on 07/08/2011 15:53:28
Raine on 07/08/2011 15:53:28
Quote by clintster:
That was amazing. If I didn't get to watch it in person, I am glad that I got to share it with my family, and my friends.
Comment by Raine on 07/08/2011 15:54:25
Come on over here, ya lug.
Raine on 07/08/2011 15:54:25
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:
Your Florida correspondent seems to be about two steps away from a break down. He is very confused by this.
? you okay?
Umm yes, no. I don't know I have been on the edge of tears for the past half hour or so. I don't know why. I don't like it.
Come on over here, ya lug.
Comment by wickedpam on 07/08/2011 15:56:07
wickedpam on 07/08/2011 15:56:07
Quote by Raine:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:
Your Florida correspondent seems to be about two steps away from a break down. He is very confused by this.
? you okay?
Umm yes, no. I don't know I have been on the edge of tears for the past half hour or so. I don't know why. I don't like it.
Come on over here, ya lug.
Comment by Raine on 07/08/2011 15:58:24
Raine on 07/08/2011 15:58:24
Clint I just had the strange opportunity to listen to the beginning of that song, at the same time that NASA re-showed the lift off... Kept watching after the rockets were realeased -- the music is perfectly in line.
I have effin' goosbumps!
I have effin' goosbumps!
Comment by clintster on 07/08/2011 16:01:32
It is an amazing song, and the fact that they pretty much timed it to the real time events of a liftoff makes me love Rush even more.
I hadn't listened to "Countdown" in a while; think I'll go get a new copy (off to the iTunes store)
clintster on 07/08/2011 16:01:32
Quote by Raine:
Clint I just had the strange opportunity to listen to the beginning of that song, at the same time that NASA re-showed the lift off... Kept watching after the rockets were realeased -- the music is perfectly in line.
I have effin' goosbumps!
It is an amazing song, and the fact that they pretty much timed it to the real time events of a liftoff makes me love Rush even more.
I hadn't listened to "Countdown" in a while; think I'll go get a new copy (off to the iTunes store)
Comment by Raine on 07/08/2011 16:05:37
It was quite amazing. I had chills, and it was a total coincidence.. for me at least.
It would be pretty cool to see it put to video. It's times that like that make me appreciate good music even more.
Raine on 07/08/2011 16:05:37
Quote by clintster:Quote by Raine:
Clint I just had the strange opportunity to listen to the beginning of that song, at the same time that NASA re-showed the lift off... Kept watching after the rockets were realeased -- the music is perfectly in line.
I have effin' goosbumps!
It is an amazing song, and the fact that they pretty much timed it to the real time events of a liftoff makes me love Rush even more.
I hadn't listened to "Countdown" in a while; think I'll go get a new copy (off to the iTunes store)
It would be pretty cool to see it put to video. It's times that like that make me appreciate good music even more.
Comment by Scoopster on 07/08/2011 16:10:27
Scoopster on 07/08/2011 16:10:27
So who will be taking over missions to the International Space Station now? France?
Comment by Raine on 07/08/2011 16:10:49
Raine on 07/08/2011 16:10:49
There is a certain sad irony (and karma coming... ) for someone who would steal a statue of a laughing Buddha.
Comment by wickedpam on 07/08/2011 16:12:33
ugh...Manassas PARK....
wickedpam on 07/08/2011 16:12:33
Quote by Raine:
There is a certain sad irony (and karma coming... ) for someone who would steal a statue of a laughing Buddha.
ugh...Manassas PARK....
Comment by Raine on 07/08/2011 16:13:04
I think the idea now is to transition those trips to go to the private sector.
After listening to what the President said about this at the twitter town hall, I don't disagree. Lemme see if I can find those comments.
Raine on 07/08/2011 16:13:04
Quote by Scoopster:
So who will be taking over missions to the International Space Station now? France?
I think the idea now is to transition those trips to go to the private sector.
After listening to what the President said about this at the twitter town hall, I don't disagree. Lemme see if I can find those comments.
Comment by Raine on 07/08/2011 16:13:34
I wondered what you thought... 
Raine on 07/08/2011 16:13:34
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
There is a certain sad irony (and karma coming... ) for someone who would steal a statue of a laughing Buddha.
ugh...Manassas PARK....
Comment by Raine on 07/08/2011 16:18:27
Here: Here is from a direct transcript: Hope that helps, Scoop.
Raine on 07/08/2011 16:18:27
Quote by Raine:Quote by Scoopster:
So who will be taking over missions to the International Space Station now? France?
I think the idea now is to transition those trips to go to the private sector.
After listening to what the President said about this at the twitter town hall, I don't disagree. Lemme see if I can find those comments.
"Frankly, I had been pushing NASA to revamp its vision," the president said. "We're still using the same models for space travel that we used for the Apollo program 30, 40 years ago. Now what we need is that next technological breakthrough."
NASA is currently preparing for the 135th and final mission of its 30-year shuttle program, scheduled for Friday.
Even while praising the recent accomplishments of NASA, Mr. Obama contended that it was time for the program to push for new technological achievements.
"Rather than keep on doing the same thing, let's invest in basic research around new technologies that can get us places faster, [and] allow human space flight to last longer," he said. "What you're seeing now is NASA, I think, redefining its mission."
The ultimate goal, he said, was to "get to Mars."
"A good pit-stop is an asteroid," he added, before noting that "we haven't identified an actual asteroid yet."
Q So a slight deviation from the economy -- we have a lot of questions, and this will be our last before we start reading some responses to your question -- about the space program. And this one from Ron: "Now that the space shuttle is gone, where does America stand in space exploration?"
THE PRESIDENT: We are still a leader in space exploration. But, frankly, I have been pushing NASA to revamp its vision. The shuttle did some extraordinary work in low-orbit experiments, the International Space Station, moving cargo. It was an extraordinary accomplishment and we’re very proud of the work that it did. But now what we need is that next technological breakthrough.
We’re still using the same models for space travel that we used with the Apollo program 30, 40 years ago. And so what we’ve said is, rather than keep on doing the same thing, let’s invest in basic research around new technologies that can get us places faster, allow human space flight to last longer.
And what you’re seeing now is NASA I think redefining its mission. And we’ve set a goal to let’s ultimately get to Mars. A good pit stop is an asteroid. I haven’t actually -- we haven’t identified the actual asteroid yet, in case people are wondering. (Laughter.) But the point is, let’s start stretching the boundaries so we’re not doing the same thing over and over again, but rather let’s start thinking about what’s the next horizon, what’s the next frontier out there.
But in order to do that, we’re actually going to need some technological breakthroughs that we don’t have yet. And what we can do is for some of this low-orbit stuff, some of the more routine space travel -- obviously no space travel is routine, but it could become more routine over time -- let’s allow the private sector to get in so that they can, for example, send these low-Earth orbit vehicles into space and we may be able to achieve a point in time where those of you who are just dying to go into space, you can buy a ticket, and a private carrier can potentially take you up there, while the government focuses on the big breakthroughs that require much larger investments and involve much greater risk.
Comment by wickedpam on 07/08/2011 16:18:50
Its more a comment on the Park. They really have no more crime there then anywhere else, well except that town in Texas that had to lay off their police, I hate driving through that area it just looks in constant flux and the residence have very little respect for each other
wickedpam on 07/08/2011 16:18:50
Quote by Raine:I wondered what you thought...Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
There is a certain sad irony (and karma coming... ) for someone who would steal a statue of a laughing Buddha.
ugh...Manassas PARK....
Its more a comment on the Park. They really have no more crime there then anywhere else, well except that town in Texas that had to lay off their police, I hate driving through that area it just looks in constant flux and the residence have very little respect for each other
Comment by Raine on 07/08/2011 16:21:56
Raine on 07/08/2011 16:21:56
But yes, I suspect it will be France and Russia until the private shuttle is created. I would suspect thoi, tha tChina is all over that potential.
It is going to be interesting. As sad as I am to see it go, the Shuttle program appears to have become a space taxi and a really really good mechanic garage.
It is time to think big again. That is what I think the POTUS is saying for NASA.
It is going to be interesting. As sad as I am to see it go, the Shuttle program appears to have become a space taxi and a really really good mechanic garage.
It is time to think big again. That is what I think the POTUS is saying for NASA.
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/08/2011 16:22:23
Cochran Warp Drive anyone? :nerd:
Mondobubba on 07/08/2011 16:22:23
Quote by Raine:Here:Quote by Raine:Quote by Scoopster:
So who will be taking over missions to the International Space Station now? France?
I think the idea now is to transition those trips to go to the private sector.
After listening to what the President said about this at the twitter town hall, I don't disagree. Lemme see if I can find those comments.Here is from a direct transcript:"Frankly, I had been pushing NASA to revamp its vision," the president said. "We're still using the same models for space travel that we used for the Apollo program 30, 40 years ago. Now what we need is that next technological breakthrough."
NASA is currently preparing for the 135th and final mission of its 30-year shuttle program, scheduled for Friday.
Even while praising the recent accomplishments of NASA, Mr. Obama contended that it was time for the program to push for new technological achievements.
"Rather than keep on doing the same thing, let's invest in basic research around new technologies that can get us places faster, [and] allow human space flight to last longer," he said. "What you're seeing now is NASA, I think, redefining its mission."
The ultimate goal, he said, was to "get to Mars."
"A good pit-stop is an asteroid," he added, before noting that "we haven't identified an actual asteroid yet."Hope that helps, Scoop.
Q So a slight deviation from the economy -- we have a lot of questions, and this will be our last before we start reading some responses to your question -- about the space program. And this one from Ron: "Now that the space shuttle is gone, where does America stand in space exploration?"
THE PRESIDENT: We are still a leader in space exploration. But, frankly, I have been pushing NASA to revamp its vision. The shuttle did some extraordinary work in low-orbit experiments, the International Space Station, moving cargo. It was an extraordinary accomplishment and we’re very proud of the work that it did. But now what we need is that next technological breakthrough.
We’re still using the same models for space travel that we used with the Apollo program 30, 40 years ago. And so what we’ve said is, rather than keep on doing the same thing, let’s invest in basic research around new technologies that can get us places faster, allow human space flight to last longer.
And what you’re seeing now is NASA I think redefining its mission. And we’ve set a goal to let’s ultimately get to Mars. A good pit stop is an asteroid. I haven’t actually -- we haven’t identified the actual asteroid yet, in case people are wondering. (Laughter.) But the point is, let’s start stretching the boundaries so we’re not doing the same thing over and over again, but rather let’s start thinking about what’s the next horizon, what’s the next frontier out there.
But in order to do that, we’re actually going to need some technological breakthroughs that we don’t have yet. And what we can do is for some of this low-orbit stuff, some of the more routine space travel -- obviously no space travel is routine, but it could become more routine over time -- let’s allow the private sector to get in so that they can, for example, send these low-Earth orbit vehicles into space and we may be able to achieve a point in time where those of you who are just dying to go into space, you can buy a ticket, and a private carrier can potentially take you up there, while the government focuses on the big breakthroughs that require much larger investments and involve much greater risk.
Cochran Warp Drive anyone? :nerd:
Comment by BobR on 07/08/2011 16:22:49
I think it's awesome that a Canadian band wrote a song about the Shuttle
BobR on 07/08/2011 16:22:49
Quote by clintster:
The one song I can think of that was written about the Shuttle. Go STS-135!
I think it's awesome that a Canadian band wrote a song about the Shuttle
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/08/2011 16:23:41
Mondobubba on 07/08/2011 16:23:41
My issue seems to be passing. I would place bets on it coming back later. Thanks for the support mon peeps.
Comment by TriSec on 07/08/2011 16:24:26
Nobody in the private sector has the capabilities. Right now, that leaves Russia and China as the only two nations that can put a person into orbit.
That whole Spaceship One thingy is only about where Alan Shepard was in 1961.
TriSec on 07/08/2011 16:24:26
Quote by Raine:
I think the idea now is to transition those trips to go to the private sector.
Nobody in the private sector has the capabilities. Right now, that leaves Russia and China as the only two nations that can put a person into orbit.
That whole Spaceship One thingy is only about where Alan Shepard was in 1961.
Comment by 
livingonli on 07/08/2011 16:27:10
livingonli on 07/08/2011 16:27:10
Good day everyone. I always felt that the successor to Bush was going to have a very difficult job because Bush fucked things up so much. And if those idiots are put back in complete charge this country is going to go completely in the crapper. It will be interesting to see Michelle Bachmann want to push banning pornography when some GOPers are its biggest customers.
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/08/2011 16:28:35
Yeah, but it Rush!
Sorry don't like, em, Never have.
Mondobubba on 07/08/2011 16:28:35
Quote by BobR:Quote by clintster:
The one song I can think of that was written about the Shuttle. Go STS-135!
I think it's awesome that a Canadian band wrote a song about the Shuttle
Yeah, but it Rush!
Sorry don't like, em, Never have.
Comment by BobR on 07/08/2011 16:31:46
I saw on Rachel Maddow that if there was a problem with this shuttle post-launch, the Russians would be the ones to get us off the space station. However, they can only bring back one per launch, so it might take a while.
BobR on 07/08/2011 16:31:46
Quote by Raine:
But yes, I suspect it will be France and Russia until the private shuttle is created. I would suspect thoi, tha tChina is all over that potential.
It is going to be interesting. As sad as I am to see it go, the Shuttle program appears to have become a space taxi and a really really good mechanic garage.
It is time to think big again. That is what I think the POTUS is saying for NASA.
I saw on Rachel Maddow that if there was a problem with this shuttle post-launch, the Russians would be the ones to get us off the space station. However, they can only bring back one per launch, so it might take a while.
Comment by livingonli on 07/08/2011 16:31:54
livingonli on 07/08/2011 16:31:54
And I slept through the shuttle launch but I had a kittie in bed next to me. It's funny to see how she looks at me when I am opening windows and stuff to bring light in.
Comment by BobR on 07/08/2011 16:33:39
I loved them as stoner teenager. They are a bit ridiculous, but as a musician I have to respect them.
BobR on 07/08/2011 16:33:39
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by BobR:Quote by clintster:
The one song I can think of that was written about the Shuttle. Go STS-135!
I think it's awesome that a Canadian band wrote a song about the Shuttle
Yeah, but it Rush!
I loved them as stoner teenager. They are a bit ridiculous, but as a musician I have to respect them.
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/08/2011 16:35:35
I totally dig where you are coming from, Bobber. When I was a stoner teenager, I was far to busy listening to things like Henry Cow or Carivan. We called Rush "Killer Weed Rock"
Mondobubba on 07/08/2011 16:35:35
Quote by BobR:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by BobR:Quote by clintster:
The one song I can think of that was written about the Shuttle. Go STS-135!
I think it's awesome that a Canadian band wrote a song about the Shuttle
Yeah, but it Rush!
I loved them as stoner teenager. They are a bit ridiculous, but as a musician I have to respect them.
I totally dig where you are coming from, Bobber. When I was a stoner teenager, I was far to busy listening to things like Henry Cow or Carivan. We called Rush "Killer Weed Rock"
Comment by TriSec on 07/08/2011 16:38:33
TriSec on 07/08/2011 16:38:33
Lunch is late.
Obviously, a stray thermal tile re-entered and struck the deliveryman.
Obviously, a stray thermal tile re-entered and struck the deliveryman.
Comment by Raine on 07/08/2011 16:42:12
NASA has been trying to find a way to transfer that technology.
Raine on 07/08/2011 16:42:12
Quote by TriSec:Quote by Raine:
I think the idea now is to transition those trips to go to the private sector.
Nobody in the private sector has the capabilities. Right now, that leaves Russia and China as the only two nations that can put a person into orbit.
That whole Spaceship One thingy is only about where Alan Shepard was in 1961.
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/08/2011 16:52:52
Ouch!
Mondobubba on 07/08/2011 16:52:52
Quote by TriSec:
Lunch is late.
Obviously, a stray thermal tile re-entered and struck the deliveryman.
Ouch!
Comment by wickedpam on 07/08/2011 17:09:40
wickedpam on 07/08/2011 17:09:40
Did I just hear Thom suggest the Pres be primaried cause Barney didn't want to give an answer to that question?
Jeez people, really?
Jeez people, really?
Comment by TriSec on 07/08/2011 18:49:46
TriSec on 07/08/2011 18:49:46
Hey, look over there, curled up in the gutter!
It's a drunk!
It's an addict!
It's the TriSec!
It's a drunk!
It's an addict!
It's the TriSec!
Comment by Scoopster on 07/08/2011 19:02:17
Scoopster on 07/08/2011 19:02:17
Speaking of addiction.. I've relapsed.
After eight years, I've started collecting/playing Magic The Gathering again. Gonna be playing in a pre-release tournament for the new base card set this weekend too.
After eight years, I've started collecting/playing Magic The Gathering again. Gonna be playing in a pre-release tournament for the new base card set this weekend too.
Comment by Raine on 07/08/2011 19:28:48
I was away... Barney -- or Carney? ((as in his press person?)
Raine on 07/08/2011 19:28:48
Quote by wickedpam:
Did I just hear Thom suggest the Pres be primaried cause Barney didn't want to give an answer to that question?
Jeez people, really?
I was away... Barney -- or Carney? ((as in his press person?)
Comment by Raine on 07/08/2011 19:49:30
Raine on 07/08/2011 19:49:30
Ok Law Geeks, Brad says this is a good thing... what say you? 3rd Circuit Decides For People Over Corporations in FCC Case, Regulation of Public Airwaves
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/08/2011 19:54:48
You win as the blog's geekiest memeber.
Mondobubba on 07/08/2011 19:54:48
Quote by Scoopster:
Speaking of addiction.. I've relapsed.
After eight years, I've started collecting/playing Magic The Gathering again. Gonna be playing in a pre-release tournament for the new base card set this weekend too.
You win as the blog's geekiest memeber.
Comment by Scoopster on 07/08/2011 20:02:49
Scoopster on 07/08/2011 20:02:49
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Scoopster:
Speaking of addiction.. I've relapsed.
After eight years, I've started collecting/playing Magic The Gathering again. Gonna be playing in a pre-release tournament for the new base card set this weekend too.
You win as the blog's geekiest memeber.
Comment by Raine on 07/08/2011 20:36:31
Raine on 07/08/2011 20:36:31
So http://www.uspirg.org/ just showed up. they talked me into donating -- not as much as they wanted, but I offered them use the lavoratory -- they took advantage -- does that make my meager donation work out?
Damnit, I love seeing young people out there working for a good cause.
Damnit, I love seeing young people out there working for a good cause.
Comment by Raine on 07/08/2011 20:37:40
Well played, sir!
Raine on 07/08/2011 20:37:40
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Scoopster:
Speaking of addiction.. I've relapsed.
After eight years, I've started collecting/playing Magic The Gathering again. Gonna be playing in a pre-release tournament for the new base card set this weekend too.
You win as the blog's geekiest memeber.
Well played, sir!
Comment by wickedpam on 07/08/2011 20:44:28
Barney Frank, he was asked by a caller if he thought the pres was leaning right because he wasn't being primaried (I'm paraphrasing) and Barney didn't really answer the question. Thom took his answer to mean that a primary might be a good idea
wickedpam on 07/08/2011 20:44:28
Quote by Raine:Quote by wickedpam:
Did I just hear Thom suggest the Pres be primaried cause Barney didn't want to give an answer to that question?
Jeez people, really?
I was away... Barney -- or Carney? ((as in his press person?)
Barney Frank, he was asked by a caller if he thought the pres was leaning right because he wasn't being primaried (I'm paraphrasing) and Barney didn't really answer the question. Thom took his answer to mean that a primary might be a good idea
Comment by Will in Chicago on 07/08/2011 21:07:13
Will in Chicago on 07/08/2011 21:07:13
Hi, Bloggers!!
I hope that everyone is doing well today.
Forrest, good to see you here.
I am busy with a few things, but doing well.
TriSec, if you can contact me on Facebook. I have a few questions on teaching in Massachusetts, where a friend says there is a demand for teachers with masters degree. (Ask Raine for my name.)
I hope that everyone is doing well today.
Forrest, good to see you here.
I am busy with a few things, but doing well.
TriSec, if you can contact me on Facebook. I have a few questions on teaching in Massachusetts, where a friend says there is a demand for teachers with masters degree. (Ask Raine for my name.)
Comment by Raine on 07/08/2011 21:09:26
Raine on 07/08/2011 21:09:26
Comment by Raine on 07/08/2011 21:29:58
Raine on 07/08/2011 21:29:58
The shovel ready jobs were stopped when the stimulus ended.
I wish Randi would remind the caller of that.
I wish Randi would remind the caller of that.
Comment by TriSec on 07/08/2011 21:34:00
TriSec on 07/08/2011 21:34:00
Because we haven't posted the cliche recently:
An awful lot of music out there ages badly. Mr. Henley has done a rare thing...this is quite possibly even more relevant and accurate today then when he recorded it, 29 years ago. (what? that can't be right!)
An awful lot of music out there ages badly. Mr. Henley has done a rare thing...this is quite possibly even more relevant and accurate today then when he recorded it, 29 years ago. (what? that can't be right!)
Comment by clintster on 07/08/2011 21:34:01
From the article:
clintster on 07/08/2011 21:34:01
From the article:
I have rounded up (or possibly invented) the reactions of all the 2012 Republican contenders to the news of Casey Anthony's "not guilty" verdict.
Comment by Raine on 07/08/2011 21:39:07
Raine on 07/08/2011 21:39:07
It's NOT true.
and I am dismally disappointed by Salon right now. Some media outlets should stay out of satire.
and I am dismally disappointed by Salon right now. Some media outlets should stay out of satire.
Comment by Raine on 07/08/2011 21:42:37
oy.
No one can primary Obama. No one.
Once again the so called third parties have failed to organize -- even the tea baggers are more than willing to be included into the GOP. That was a potential thrid party that even Thom touted -- on principle, I will admit that -- but it failed.
The tea party is nothing more than a massive shocking ideological shift of the GOP. that is all the Koch brothers and Dick Armey ever wanted.
Raine on 07/08/2011 21:42:37
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:Quote by wickedpam:
Did I just hear Thom suggest the Pres be primaried cause Barney didn't want to give an answer to that question?
Jeez people, really?
I was away... Barney -- or Carney? ((as in his press person?)
Barney Frank, he was asked by a caller if he thought the pres was leaning right because he wasn't being primaried (I'm paraphrasing) and Barney didn't really answer the question. Thom took his answer to mean that a primary might be a good idea
No one can primary Obama. No one.
Once again the so called third parties have failed to organize -- even the tea baggers are more than willing to be included into the GOP. That was a potential thrid party that even Thom touted -- on principle, I will admit that -- but it failed.
The tea party is nothing more than a massive shocking ideological shift of the GOP. that is all the Koch brothers and Dick Armey ever wanted.
Comment by Raine on 07/08/2011 21:44:28
Thanks Clint.
I missed that the first time reading it. I went onto check those alleged quotes. I got nothing.
Salon should stay out of the business of Satire -- unless they mean that Glenn Green
wald is satire too....
Raine on 07/08/2011 21:44:28
Quote by clintster:
From the article:I have rounded up (or possibly invented) the reactions of all the 2012 Republican contenders to the news of Casey Anthony's "not guilty" verdict.
I missed that the first time reading it. I went onto check those alleged quotes. I got nothing.
Salon should stay out of the business of Satire -- unless they mean that Glenn Green
wald is satire too....
Comment by Raine on 07/08/2011 22:48:57
Raine on 07/08/2011 22:48:57
Can someone weigh in on this? Pam Spaulding says this is a friday night news dump. I'm more inclided to this this is actually the status quo, and the good news is that the fight can go forward in court, instead of languishing as it has for many years. I mean seriously-- did anyone ever really thing the DEA would say anything else?
I thought the feds have long said Pot had no accepted medical use, have I missed something? how is this a news dump, and if it is, why is it bad?
I thought the feds have long said Pot had no accepted medical use, have I missed something? how is this a news dump, and if it is, why is it bad?
Comment by livingonli on 07/09/2011 02:59:42
livingonli on 07/09/2011 02:59:42
Oooh, Maron will be on Bill Maher last week. It was enough to suffer through mAnn again, now it's off to watch the season premiere of Torchwood on Starz!