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Painted into a Corner
Author: BobR
Date: 07/13/2011 12:52:55
Diplomacy is like a game of chess. You have to think 3-5 steps ahead when making your moves to ensure that you don't find yourself painted into a corner (check and mate). Some people - like President Obama - are VERY good at it. Others - not so much.
What better example than the ongoing negotiations over the debt ceiling / budget deficit / Medicare? MSNBC's Lawrence O'Donnell lays it all out there describing how Obama originally wanted just a clean debt ceiling-only bill, and the Republicans decided to double-down and add the budget deficit to the mix. Obama called their bluff, and threw in Medicare and Social Security. He essentially gave them everything they wanted, but they weren't willing to call the President's bluff. They balked, and now they're in a quandry.
House Speaker John Boehner is in the worst place of all. He KNOWS the debt ceiling MUST be raised, or all of the bad economic repercussions of not doing so will fall upon him and his party. He is also getting flak from his party to not "give in". He's damned either way. He's in the corner with no good way out.
It's caused such an upheaval in the Republican party that the Democrats don't even know who's in charge there anymore. John Boehner is trying to reclaim some cred with the extremists in his party by declaring that a balanced budget amendment must be part of the deal on any debt ceiling agreement. Meanwhile, Senator Mitch McConnell is suggesting a plan where Congress gives President Obama the authority to raise the debt ceiling without any involvement of Congress. This way it can get raised, and all the Republicans can wash their hands of it and claim that they did not raise it. Naturally, this has been met with outrage from the Republicans who don't want to cede any authority (or who WANT the ceiling to crash). All of this makes the Republicans look like in-fighting obstructionists more interested in party politics than in ensuring the country does not fall into an economic abyss. President Obama looks like the only adult in the room.
On the other side of the planet, the leadership of Pakistan finds itself in a similar situation. They are sandwiched between India on the right, and the taliban of Afghanistan on the left. Pakistan has counted on military aid (support) from us to ensure that they can maintain an uneasy stasis with India, as well as maintain a show of strength to taliban forces that might be inclined to invade. They've also maintained a somewhat cozy alliance with the taliban, in the form of an unofficial "we don't see you" policy, which allowed Osama bin Laden to live among them undisturbed (and unreported).
The United States' action to take out bin Laden brought that latter situation into the light. This leaves the Pakisan leadership with a problem. They are angry we violated their borders, and - because of their cozy relationship with the taliban - feel required to take a stand against us. They did, denying visas to military and intelligence personnel. Unfortunately for them, that required us to deny them that military aid. Now what do they do?
Their response seems to be to dig in harder - they are threatening to pull back their troops from the border with Afghanistan. The implication is that they are willing to cede control of part of their country to foreign invasion if we don't restore the aid, which is fairly ironic if you think about it. One has to wonder if the non-extremist people of Pakistan think that trading one unholy alliance for another is really the best move.
This is especially important since stability in Afghanistan - already barely held together with threads - has been rocked even further with the assassination of Karzai's brother. This is exactly NOT the time for Pakistan to weaken its border presence, and they likely know it.
Like the Republicans - pride and unwavering loyalty to principal over what's best for their country may be their undoing. Who says watching paint dry is boring?
What better example than the ongoing negotiations over the debt ceiling / budget deficit / Medicare? MSNBC's Lawrence O'Donnell lays it all out there describing how Obama originally wanted just a clean debt ceiling-only bill, and the Republicans decided to double-down and add the budget deficit to the mix. Obama called their bluff, and threw in Medicare and Social Security. He essentially gave them everything they wanted, but they weren't willing to call the President's bluff. They balked, and now they're in a quandry.
House Speaker John Boehner is in the worst place of all. He KNOWS the debt ceiling MUST be raised, or all of the bad economic repercussions of not doing so will fall upon him and his party. He is also getting flak from his party to not "give in". He's damned either way. He's in the corner with no good way out.
It's caused such an upheaval in the Republican party that the Democrats don't even know who's in charge there anymore. John Boehner is trying to reclaim some cred with the extremists in his party by declaring that a balanced budget amendment must be part of the deal on any debt ceiling agreement. Meanwhile, Senator Mitch McConnell is suggesting a plan where Congress gives President Obama the authority to raise the debt ceiling without any involvement of Congress. This way it can get raised, and all the Republicans can wash their hands of it and claim that they did not raise it. Naturally, this has been met with outrage from the Republicans who don't want to cede any authority (or who WANT the ceiling to crash). All of this makes the Republicans look like in-fighting obstructionists more interested in party politics than in ensuring the country does not fall into an economic abyss. President Obama looks like the only adult in the room.
On the other side of the planet, the leadership of Pakistan finds itself in a similar situation. They are sandwiched between India on the right, and the taliban of Afghanistan on the left. Pakistan has counted on military aid (support) from us to ensure that they can maintain an uneasy stasis with India, as well as maintain a show of strength to taliban forces that might be inclined to invade. They've also maintained a somewhat cozy alliance with the taliban, in the form of an unofficial "we don't see you" policy, which allowed Osama bin Laden to live among them undisturbed (and unreported).
The United States' action to take out bin Laden brought that latter situation into the light. This leaves the Pakisan leadership with a problem. They are angry we violated their borders, and - because of their cozy relationship with the taliban - feel required to take a stand against us. They did, denying visas to military and intelligence personnel. Unfortunately for them, that required us to deny them that military aid. Now what do they do?
Their response seems to be to dig in harder - they are threatening to pull back their troops from the border with Afghanistan. The implication is that they are willing to cede control of part of their country to foreign invasion if we don't restore the aid, which is fairly ironic if you think about it. One has to wonder if the non-extremist people of Pakistan think that trading one unholy alliance for another is really the best move.
This is especially important since stability in Afghanistan - already barely held together with threads - has been rocked even further with the assassination of Karzai's brother. This is exactly NOT the time for Pakistan to weaken its border presence, and they likely know it.
Like the Republicans - pride and unwavering loyalty to principal over what's best for their country may be their undoing. Who says watching paint dry is boring?
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Comment by 
wickedpam on 07/13/2011 13:08:43
wickedpam on 07/13/2011 13:08:43
Morning 
Comment by 
TriSec on 07/13/2011 13:09:21
TriSec on 07/13/2011 13:09:21
Morning, comrades!
Hoo boy...does CNN still air "Prime Minister's Questions" on Sunday nights? Last night's session was very noisy, all about the phone hacking bit. TV worth watching, methinks!
Hoo boy...does CNN still air "Prime Minister's Questions" on Sunday nights? Last night's session was very noisy, all about the phone hacking bit. TV worth watching, methinks!
Comment by TriSec on 07/13/2011 13:16:49
TriSec on 07/13/2011 13:16:49
I officially became an office conservative today.
I'm done making coffee for the collective; I'll be bringing in my press pot and brewing solo. I'm tired of everyone sucking off my common good.
I got mine; the rest of you can pull yourselves up by your own coffee cup. So there!
I'm done making coffee for the collective; I'll be bringing in my press pot and brewing solo. I'm tired of everyone sucking off my common good.
I got mine; the rest of you can pull yourselves up by your own coffee cup. So there!
Comment by 
Scoopster on 07/13/2011 13:17:23
Scoopster on 07/13/2011 13:17:23
Morning all! 
Results from yesterday's special elections...
CA-36 (to replace Jane Harman):
Janice Hahn (D) 55% 41585
Craig Huey ® 45% 34636
Wisconsin Recall Primaries : All six REAL Dems won theirs easily. General recall elections are on August 9.
Results from yesterday's special elections...
CA-36 (to replace Jane Harman):
Janice Hahn (D) 55% 41585
Craig Huey ® 45% 34636
Wisconsin Recall Primaries : All six REAL Dems won theirs easily. General recall elections are on August 9.
Comment by Scoopster on 07/13/2011 13:18:20
I thought it was C-SPAN that aired that.. or it sister channel EL DUO.
Scoopster on 07/13/2011 13:18:20
Quote by TriSec:
Morning, comrades!
Hoo boy...does CNN still air "Prime Minister's Questions" on Sunday nights? Last night's session was very noisy, all about the phone hacking bit. TV worth watching, methinks!
I thought it was C-SPAN that aired that.. or it sister channel EL DUO.
Comment by wickedpam on 07/13/2011 13:19:16
Hey, I was asked not to make the coffee anymore, which was fine with me, one less thing for me the deal with
wickedpam on 07/13/2011 13:19:16
Quote by TriSec:
I officially became an office conservative today.
I'm done making coffee for the collective; I'll be bringing in my press pot and brewing solo. I'm tired of everyone sucking off my common good.
I got mine; the rest of you can pull yourselves up by your own coffee cup. So there!
Hey, I was asked not to make the coffee anymore, which was fine with me, one less thing for me the deal with
Comment by TriSec on 07/13/2011 13:19:35
TriSec on 07/13/2011 13:19:35
[grumpy old man]
OK, now what the hell? Did somebody just spray perfume in here? THERE ARE VISIBLE FRAGRANCE LINES AROUND MY DESK.
Cough, hack, eyes water.
[/grumpy old man]
OK, now what the hell? Did somebody just spray perfume in here? THERE ARE VISIBLE FRAGRANCE LINES AROUND MY DESK.
Cough, hack, eyes water.
[/grumpy old man]
Comment by 
Raine on 07/13/2011 13:24:44
Raine on 07/13/2011 13:24:44
Excellent analysis today BobR. I worry About Pakistan because that country has the nukes.
Oh wait, so do we -- huh?
Good Morning!
Oh wait, so do we -- huh?
Good Morning!
Comment by Raine on 07/13/2011 13:25:50
Excellent news! 
Raine on 07/13/2011 13:25:50
Quote by Scoopster:
Morning all!
Results from yesterday's special elections...
CA-36 (to replace Jane Harman):
Janice Hahn (D) 55% 41585
Craig Huey ® 45% 34636
Wisconsin Recall Primaries : All six REAL Dems won theirs easily. General recall elections are on August 9.
Comment by Scoopster on 07/13/2011 13:29:13
It converted the R for Republican to ®
Scoopster on 07/13/2011 13:29:13
It converted the R for Republican to ®
Comment by Raine on 07/13/2011 13:31:23
Raine on 07/13/2011 13:31:23
Is Momma having an Event?
Comment by TriSec on 07/13/2011 13:31:43
TriSec on 07/13/2011 13:31:43
Breaking overseas news: Murdoch has just withdrawn his bid for Satellite broadcaster BSkyB (UK).
Comment by Raine on 07/13/2011 13:32:05
Isn't perfect? 
Raine on 07/13/2011 13:32:05
Quote by Scoopster:
Comment by TriSec on 07/13/2011 13:37:35
TriSec on 07/13/2011 13:37:35
OK, foodies.
[wrestles steering wheel of bus away from Bob, heads for ditch]
If you haven't seen Julie & Julia, you need to rent it now. (before Netflix jacks the rates.) I guess it's a ladies movie, so Your Loyal TriSec is apparently an emasculated ball of mush. (yes, there was some dust.)
I'll be sequestering myself in the kitchen most of Sunday afternoon and cooking something from The Bible, methinks.
[wrestles steering wheel of bus away from Bob, heads for ditch]
If you haven't seen Julie & Julia, you need to rent it now. (before Netflix jacks the rates.) I guess it's a ladies movie, so Your Loyal TriSec is apparently an emasculated ball of mush. (yes, there was some dust.)
I'll be sequestering myself in the kitchen most of Sunday afternoon and cooking something from The Bible, methinks.
Comment by 
BobR on 07/13/2011 13:38:10
More blog magic!
BobR on 07/13/2011 13:38:10
Quote by Raine:Isn't perfect?Quote by Scoopster:
More blog magic!
Comment by Raine on 07/13/2011 13:38:57
Raine on 07/13/2011 13:38:57
Quote by BobR:Quote by Raine:Isn't perfect?Quote by Scoopster:
More blog magic!
Comment by BobR on 07/13/2011 13:39:32
Raine and I saw it - Loved it!
Now you are required to make the pilgrimage to DC to view Julia Child's kitchen at the Smithsonian
BobR on 07/13/2011 13:39:32
Quote by TriSec:
OK, foodies.
[wrestles steering wheel of bus away from Bob, heads for ditch]
If you haven't seen Julie & Julia, you need to rent it now. (before Netflix jacks the rates.) I guess it's a ladies movie, so Your Loyal TriSec is apparently an emasculated ball of mush. (yes, there was some dust.)
I'll be sequestering myself in the kitchen most of Sunday afternoon and cooking something from The Bible, methinks.
Raine and I saw it - Loved it!
Now you are required to make the pilgrimage to DC to view Julia Child's kitchen at the Smithsonian
Comment by Raine on 07/13/2011 13:40:27
LOVED that movie!
ANd as an aside, if you can, make sure you check out her Kitchen at the American History museum. It's a bit of a religious experience.
Raine on 07/13/2011 13:40:27
Quote by TriSec:
OK, foodies.
[wrestles steering wheel of bus away from Bob, heads for ditch]
If you haven't seen Julie & Julia, you need to rent it now. (before Netflix jacks the rates.) I guess it's a ladies movie, so Your Loyal TriSec is apparently an emasculated ball of mush. (yes, there was some dust.)
I'll be sequestering myself in the kitchen most of Sunday afternoon and cooking something from The Bible, methinks.
ANd as an aside, if you can, make sure you check out her Kitchen at the American History museum. It's a bit of a religious experience.
Comment by Raine on 07/13/2011 13:40:48
Raine on 07/13/2011 13:40:48
BobR: 
Comment by Raine on 07/13/2011 13:43:18
I
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looc yllatot sI
Raine on 07/13/2011 13:43:18
DOG
Comment by wickedpam on 07/13/2011 13:44:05
wickedpam on 07/13/2011 13:44:05
Her kitchen was very cool, I was surprised that it wasn't really all that big compared to the kitchens everyone tries to build these days
Comment by TriSec on 07/13/2011 13:44:59
Ah, we did that when we came down for the thing - It was my secondary goal for that trip.
I want to look up her old house in Cambridge and drive by sometime.
TriSec on 07/13/2011 13:44:59
Quote by BobR:
Raine and I saw it - Loved it!
Now you are required to make the pilgrimage to DC to view Julia Child's kitchen at the Smithsonian
Ah, we did that when we came down for the thing - It was my secondary goal for that trip.
I want to look up her old house in Cambridge and drive by sometime.
Comment by TriSec on 07/13/2011 13:45:58
There's an "efficiency triangle"...you should actually minimize the number of steps between the refrigerator, sink, and stove.
Of course, there is never enough counter space.
TriSec on 07/13/2011 13:45:58
Quote by wickedpam:
Her kitchen was very cool, I was surprised that it wasn't really all that big compared to the kitchens everyone tries to build these days
There's an "efficiency triangle"...you should actually minimize the number of steps between the refrigerator, sink, and stove.
Of course, there is never enough counter space.
Comment by Scoopster on 07/13/2011 13:48:24
Scoopster on 07/13/2011 13:48:24
Heard this on NPR this morning.. people are buying collectors kits of $1 dollar coins from the US Treasury to rack up frequent flier miles, then paying the credit card bill with the coins!
At first I was thinking back to the earlier story they did, and why no one in Congress has seen the obvious cost-cutting move that needed to be made. But then this morning I was thinking.. why isn't the Mint charging a premium for these coins because they're being sold to "collectors"? Hell if they even charge $2 per coin they make back six times their investment!
At first I was thinking back to the earlier story they did, and why no one in Congress has seen the obvious cost-cutting move that needed to be made. But then this morning I was thinking.. why isn't the Mint charging a premium for these coins because they're being sold to "collectors"? Hell if they even charge $2 per coin they make back six times their investment!
Comment by wickedpam on 07/13/2011 13:49:09
the people who built my craptactular kitchen apparently knew nothing of this "efficiency triangle" in which you speak
wickedpam on 07/13/2011 13:49:09
Quote by TriSec:Quote by wickedpam:
Her kitchen was very cool, I was surprised that it wasn't really all that big compared to the kitchens everyone tries to build these days
There's an "efficiency triangle"...you should actually minimize the number of steps between the refrigerator, sink, and stove.
Of course, there is never enough counter space.
the people who built my craptactular kitchen apparently knew nothing of this "efficiency triangle" in which you speak
Comment by Raine on 07/13/2011 13:58:24
Wow-- You make an interesting point, Scoop.
Raine on 07/13/2011 13:58:24
Quote by Scoopster:
Heard this on NPR this morning.. people are buying collectors kits of $1 dollar coins from the US Treasury to rack up frequent flier miles, then paying the credit card bill with the coins!
At first I was thinking back to the earlier story they did, and why no one in Congress has seen the obvious cost-cutting move that needed to be made. But then this morning I was thinking.. why isn't the Mint charging a premium for these coins because they're being sold to "collectors"? Hell if they even charge $2 per coin they make back six times their investment!
Wow-- You make an interesting point, Scoop.
Comment by 
Mondobubba on 07/13/2011 14:11:13
Mondobubba on 07/13/2011 14:11:13
Mmmnnphhhh
Comment by Raine on 07/13/2011 14:17:22
Raine on 07/13/2011 14:17:22
Apropos of today's blog, from WaPo: (this is classic...)
Since pulling the plug on the deal, Boehner has been largely silent in the meetings, leaving House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) to present details of the House’s position. On Tuesday, people in both parties said, Obama tried to reestablish Boehner’s primacy.
Cantor, who is advocating a smaller deal, at one point demanded that Obama offer the details of his vision for a “grand bargain.â€
“Where’s your paper?†he asked angrily.
Obama snapped back: “Frankly, your speaker has it. Am I dealing with him, or am I dealing with you?â€
Comment by Raine on 07/13/2011 14:17:51
Wassup?
Still no word from the Boner?
Raine on 07/13/2011 14:17:51
Quote by Mondobubba:
Mmmnnphhhh
Still no word from the Boner?
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/13/2011 14:20:45
I've been sleeping like shit the past couple of nights. Dunno why, really. And no, no word from The Bullying Coward, John Boehner, Economic Terrorist.
Mondobubba on 07/13/2011 14:20:45
Quote by Raine:Wassup?Quote by Mondobubba:
Mmmnnphhhh
Still no word from the Boner?
I've been sleeping like shit the past couple of nights. Dunno why, really. And no, no word from The Bullying Coward, John Boehner, Economic Terrorist.
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/13/2011 14:22:48
I see that The Bullying Coward, John Boehner, Economic Terrorist, is leaving things in the less than capable hands of his Loyal Minion and Bootblack, Eric Cantor.
Mondobubba on 07/13/2011 14:22:48
Quote by Raine:
Apropos of today's blog, from WaPo: (this is classic...)Since pulling the plug on the deal, Boehner has been largely silent in the meetings, leaving House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) to present details of the House’s position. On Tuesday, people in both parties said, Obama tried to reestablish Boehner’s primacy.
Cantor, who is advocating a smaller deal, at one point demanded that Obama offer the details of his vision for a “grand bargain.â€Â
“Where’s your paper?†he asked angrily.
Obama snapped back: “Frankly, your speaker has it. Am I dealing with him, or am I dealing with you?â€Â
I see that The Bullying Coward, John Boehner, Economic Terrorist, is leaving things in the less than capable hands of his Loyal Minion and Bootblack, Eric Cantor.
Comment by wickedpam on 07/13/2011 14:25:36
of Boenher is letting Cantor hang himself
wickedpam on 07/13/2011 14:25:36
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
Apropos of today's blog, from WaPo: (this is classic...)Since pulling the plug on the deal, Boehner has been largely silent in the meetings, leaving House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) to present details of the House’s position. On Tuesday, people in both parties said, Obama tried to reestablish Boehner’s primacy.
Cantor, who is advocating a smaller deal, at one point demanded that Obama offer the details of his vision for a “grand bargain.â€ÂÂ
“Where’s your paper?†he asked angrily.
Obama snapped back: “Frankly, your speaker has it. Am I dealing with him, or am I dealing with you?â€ÂÂ
I see that The Bullying Coward, John Boehner, Economic Terrorist, is leaving things in the less than capable hands of his Loyal Minion and Bootblack, Eric Cantor.
of Boenher is letting Cantor hang himself
Comment by BobR on 07/13/2011 14:40:07
either that, or it's a power coup. Either way, they will hang together (metaphorically speaking)
BobR on 07/13/2011 14:40:07
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
Apropos of today's blog, from WaPo: (this is classic...)Since pulling the plug on the deal, Boehner has been largely silent in the meetings, leaving House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) to present details of the House’s position. On Tuesday, people in both parties said, Obama tried to reestablish Boehner’s primacy.
Cantor, who is advocating a smaller deal, at one point demanded that Obama offer the details of his vision for a “grand bargain.â€ÂÂ
“Where’s your paper?†he asked angrily.
Obama snapped back: “Frankly, your speaker has it. Am I dealing with him, or am I dealing with you?â€ÂÂ
I see that The Bullying Coward, John Boehner, Economic Terrorist, is leaving things in the less than capable hands of his Loyal Minion and Bootblack, Eric Cantor.
of Boenher is letting Cantor hang himself
either that, or it's a power coup. Either way, they will hang together (metaphorically speaking)
Comment by Raine on 07/13/2011 14:40:50
Raine on 07/13/2011 14:40:50
bI still can not bewlieve that Cantor ACTUALLY asked the POTUS for his papers.
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/13/2011 14:41:36
Mondobubba on 07/13/2011 14:41:36
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/13/2011 14:42:43
Yeah, lets parse this a bit. A Jewish guy asked somebody for his papers? Irony!
Mondobubba on 07/13/2011 14:42:43
Quote by Raine:
bI still can not bewlieve that Cantor ACTUALLY asked the POTUS for his papers.
Yeah, lets parse this a bit. A Jewish guy asked somebody for his papers? Irony!
Comment by Raine on 07/13/2011 14:46:15
I stated in the local Fox page on FB that I was wondering why no one EVER did a story about Laura Bush smoking in the Rose garden...
Raine on 07/13/2011 14:46:15
The outrage about that story is utterly ridiculous. Shame on WaPo for stirring shite in a pot for no damn good reason.
I stated in the local Fox page on FB that I was wondering why no one EVER did a story about Laura Bush smoking in the Rose garden...
Comment by Raine on 07/13/2011 14:46:42
I was hoping someone else would see that bit of sick irony.
Raine on 07/13/2011 14:46:42
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
bI still can not bewlieve that Cantor ACTUALLY asked the POTUS for his papers.
Yeah, lets parse this a bit. A Jewish guy asked somebody for his papers? Irony!
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/13/2011 14:54:17
Pareene does speculatate that the WaPo did it just to tweek Drudge. But why?
Mondobubba on 07/13/2011 14:54:17
Quote by Raine:The outrage about that story is utterly ridiculous. Shame on WaPo for stirring shite in a pot for no damn good reason.
I stated in the local Fox page on FB that I was wondering why no one EVER did a story about Laura Bush smoking in the Rose garden...
Pareene does speculatate that the WaPo did it just to tweek Drudge. But why?
Comment by Raine on 07/13/2011 14:57:23
Because it's red meat. Creating Fake poutrage sells.
I love WaPo, but I am not afraid to be critical of them. This should have stayed in the WaPo Gossip page -- not in the 44 blog.
And the 44 blog isn't something that generally is in the print version. That is to me, something that should be noted.
Raine on 07/13/2011 14:57:23
Quote by Mondobubba:
Pareene does speculatate that the WaPo did it just to tweek Drudge. But why?
I love WaPo, but I am not afraid to be critical of them. This should have stayed in the WaPo Gossip page -- not in the 44 blog.
And the 44 blog isn't something that generally is in the print version. That is to me, something that should be noted.
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/13/2011 15:04:55
Mondobubba on 07/13/2011 15:04:55
Oops almost read a demented screed by David Sirota. Glad I stopped. It would have made my brains hurt. :Mr Gumby:
Comment by Raine on 07/13/2011 15:05:05
BTW, It should be mentioned that Huey was a tea bagger candidate.
I could be reading tea leaves here -- but, I think the backlash has come. NYS was an indicator, this furthers my confidence that the Baggers are done.
Raine on 07/13/2011 15:05:05
Quote by Scoopster:
Morning all!
Results from yesterday's special elections...
CA-36 (to replace Jane Harman):
Janice Hahn (D) 55% 41585
Craig Huey ® 45% 34636
Wisconsin Recall Primaries : All six REAL Dems won theirs easily. General recall elections are on August 9.
I could be reading tea leaves here -- but, I think the backlash has come. NYS was an indicator, this furthers my confidence that the Baggers are done.
Comment by Raine on 07/13/2011 15:06:34
I still read him. I keep hoping that I am wrong about him -- he is such a nice person and it saddens me to see what he says these past few years.
Got a link?
Raine on 07/13/2011 15:06:34
Quote by Mondobubba:
Oops almost read a demented screed by David Sirota. Glad I stopped. It would have made my brains hurt. :Mr Gumby:
Got a link?
Comment by Raine on 07/13/2011 15:16:57
Raine on 07/13/2011 15:16:57
Something the Media isn't telling you: Nancy Pelosi.
I think the President has done an excellent job in leading the debate as we go forward to reach an agreement on the debt.
I’ve told the Members this morning at the Caucus, I wish they could be in the room to hear how values-based the President’s statements have been on this subject. We couldn’t be, I couldn’t be prouder of his leadership.
And since you brought up the President, I want to speak to that issue for a moment. I think that this Administration has done more to listen to Members of Congress in a bipartisan way than anything I have seen before. When, for I think, 10 meetings of at least 2 hours each, the Vice President of the United States sat at the table, listened with respect and openness, to the suggestions of Democrats and Republicans, alike. This President, Thursday, Sunday, Monday and now Tuesday we’ll go back, has sat in that room fully prepared, knowledgeable about the issue to the minutest detail, but with a big vision about the future for our country, and has listened to what the Republicans have had to say. This is highly unusual.
Comment by TriSec on 07/13/2011 15:21:55
TriSec on 07/13/2011 15:21:55
Say Mondo....saw this in the Post today.
TALLAHASSEE — Call it the Millionaire's Club.
The Florida Legislature is home to more than 50 millionaires, according to a News Service of Florida analysis of financial disclosure forms. Lawmakers are required to report their income and net worth once a year.
The Legislature tends to attract wealthy individuals due, in part, to its heavy time commitment and low salary. Legislators receive $29,697 a year, with presiding officers making $41,181 a year. The Legislature meets once a year for two months for its regular session, but lawmakers are often called in for committee weeks or special sessions - and they also have to spend a lot of time campaigning and fundraising.
"It's a difficult position if you are working a nine-to-five job to say 'Hey, I'm going to give up my clients for four months,' and then come back to that world for six months," said Rep. Jeff Brandes, R-St. Petersburg, one of the wealthiest legislators. "Most people can't do that."
Millionaires make up almost half of the 40-member Florida Senate and nearly one-third of the 120-member Florida House. Fifty-one of the lawmakers that filed financial disclosure forms by the July 1 deadline were millionaires. Not all lawmakers filed a financial disclosure form by the deadline - more than 30 lawmakers failed to turn one in. They get a grace period before they're penalized for being late.
The wealthiest legislator in the House is Brandes, with a net worth of $11.8 million at the end of 2010. His family sold its ownership of Cox Lumber Co. to Home Depot in 2006 for an undisclosed sum.
Brandes said he manages his family's real estate investments in Florida and the Cayman Islands. The former military officer is also involved with his family's new timber company venture called Tibbetts Lumber Co. Brandes had an income of $181,540 in 2010, money that mainly came from his investments.
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/13/2011 15:42:59
It's over to Salon.com The Let Them Eat Cake dealio.
Mondobubba on 07/13/2011 15:42:59
Quote by Raine:I still read him. I keep hoping that I am wrong about him -- he is such a nice person and it saddens me to see what he says these past few years.Quote by Mondobubba:
Oops almost read a demented screed by David Sirota. Glad I stopped. It would have made my brains hurt. :Mr Gumby:
Got a link?
It's over to Salon.com The Let Them Eat Cake dealio.
Comment by Raine on 07/13/2011 15:43:10
Raine on 07/13/2011 15:43:10
I can't seem to get my twitter page to show anything but blank. 
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/13/2011 15:43:40
Well duh! Hello WaPo
Mondobubba on 07/13/2011 15:43:40
Quote by TriSec:
Say Mondo....saw this in the Post today.
TALLAHASSEE — Call it the Millionaire's Club.
The Florida Legislature is home to more than 50 millionaires, according to a News Service of Florida analysis of financial disclosure forms. Lawmakers are required to report their income and net worth once a year.
The Legislature tends to attract wealthy individuals due, in part, to its heavy time commitment and low salary. Legislators receive $29,697 a year, with presiding officers making $41,181 a year. The Legislature meets once a year for two months for its regular session, but lawmakers are often called in for committee weeks or special sessions - and they also have to spend a lot of time campaigning and fundraising.
"It's a difficult position if you are working a nine-to-five job to say 'Hey, I'm going to give up my clients for four months,' and then come back to that world for six months," said Rep. Jeff Brandes, R-St. Petersburg, one of the wealthiest legislators. "Most people can't do that."
Millionaires make up almost half of the 40-member Florida Senate and nearly one-third of the 120-member Florida House. Fifty-one of the lawmakers that filed financial disclosure forms by the July 1 deadline were millionaires. Not all lawmakers filed a financial disclosure form by the deadline - more than 30 lawmakers failed to turn one in. They get a grace period before they're penalized for being late.
The wealthiest legislator in the House is Brandes, with a net worth of $11.8 million at the end of 2010. His family sold its ownership of Cox Lumber Co. to Home Depot in 2006 for an undisclosed sum.
Brandes said he manages his family's real estate investments in Florida and the Cayman Islands. The former military officer is also involved with his family's new timber company venture called Tibbetts Lumber Co. Brandes had an income of $181,540 in 2010, money that mainly came from his investments.
Well duh!
Hello WaPo
Comment by Raine on 07/13/2011 15:44:28
Oh yeah... I saw that one.
It sometimes just get too full of Hyperbole.
Raine on 07/13/2011 15:44:28
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:I still read him. I keep hoping that I am wrong about him -- he is such a nice person and it saddens me to see what he says these past few years.Quote by Mondobubba:
Oops almost read a demented screed by David Sirota. Glad I stopped. It would have made my brains hurt. :Mr Gumby:
Got a link?
It's over to Salon.com The Let Them Eat Cake dealio.
It sometimes just get too full of Hyperbole.
Comment by Raine on 07/13/2011 15:45:36
LOL! Can we start calling it PbPo?
Raine on 07/13/2011 15:45:36
Quote by Mondobubba:
Well duh!
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/13/2011 15:48:41
Whatever! :hair flip, gum crack:
Mondobubba on 07/13/2011 15:48:41
Quote by Raine:LOL! Can we start calling it PbPo?Quote by Mondobubba:
Well duh!
Whatever! :hair flip, gum crack:
Comment by Raine on 07/13/2011 15:49:24
Raine on 07/13/2011 15:49:24
I miss Ted Kennedy.
That is all.
That is all.
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/13/2011 15:49:35
A hallmark of Sirota's writing since he done lost his mind.
Mondobubba on 07/13/2011 15:49:35
Quote by Raine:Oh yeah... I saw that one.Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:I still read him. I keep hoping that I am wrong about him -- he is such a nice person and it saddens me to see what he says these past few years.Quote by Mondobubba:
Oops almost read a demented screed by David Sirota. Glad I stopped. It would have made my brains hurt. :Mr Gumby:
Got a link?
It's over to Salon.com The Let Them Eat Cake dealio.
It sometimes just get too full of Hyperbole.
A hallmark of Sirota's writing since he done lost his mind.
Comment by Raine on 07/13/2011 15:50:19
I actually think P Po sounds much more awesome!
Raine on 07/13/2011 15:50:19
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:LOL! Can we start calling it PbPo?Quote by Mondobubba:
Well duh!
Whatever! :hair flip, gum crack:
I actually think P Po sounds much more awesome!
Comment by wickedpam on 07/13/2011 15:57:09
wickedpam on 07/13/2011 15:57:09
Well those drove baby monkey from my head 
Comment by Raine on 07/13/2011 15:59:34
Raine on 07/13/2011 15:59:34
AND we end the show with a RWLM.
Comment by TriSec on 07/13/2011 16:02:02
Well, I've always called it "The Post". I knew what I meant.
TriSec on 07/13/2011 16:02:02
Well, I've always called it "The Post". I knew what I meant.
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/13/2011 16:09:48
The PbPo That would be some exotic material made of lead and polonium! :rushes the baschment of the schiensh building:
Mondobubba on 07/13/2011 16:09:48
Quote by Raine:LOL! Can we start calling it PbPo?Quote by Mondobubba:
Well duh!
The PbPo That would be some exotic material made of lead and polonium! :rushes the baschment of the schiensh building:
Comment by Raine on 07/13/2011 16:10:44
Raine on 07/13/2011 16:10:44
Ok, you are all pretty.
Thom is opening with quite a provocative piece. I will keep an open mind -- but it is hard when he says that he agrees with Newt. (re: what Scoop mentioned yesterday about the judiciary)
Thom is opening with quite a provocative piece. I will keep an open mind -- but it is hard when he says that he agrees with Newt. (re: what Scoop mentioned yesterday about the judiciary)
Comment by Raine on 07/13/2011 16:13:02
Raine on 07/13/2011 16:13:02
I saw what Newt Said.
I think Thom is taking what he said out of context, so far. I said my piece the other day, Newt is appealing to the Federalist Society. He is NOT being as smart as Thom. It's apples and oranges. Newt just isn't that smart.
I think Thom is taking what he said out of context, so far. I said my piece the other day, Newt is appealing to the Federalist Society. He is NOT being as smart as Thom. It's apples and oranges. Newt just isn't that smart.
Comment by Raine on 07/13/2011 16:14:21
Raine on 07/13/2011 16:14:21
Just remember Federalist papers #78. Does Thom REALLY think Newt was talking about Scalia and Alito?
Comment by davidphillips6 on 07/13/2011 16:24:53
Hey Bob, would you be interested in letting us share your article on our blog site (http://thepragmaticprogressive.org/wp/)? We would of course give 4 Freedoms credit and include a link to your page. Please let me know if this would be agreeable.
Comment by Raine on 07/13/2011 16:25:12
Raine on 07/13/2011 16:25:12
Thom is talking about a VERY different thing than Newt is, IMO.
Comment by Raine on 07/13/2011 16:26:29
David, I am a fellow Administrator, and yes, Please feel free to share. I was planning on reaching out to your website and ask if we could cross post.
Raine on 07/13/2011 16:26:29
Quote by davidphillips6:
Hey Bob, would you be interested in letting us share your article on our blog site (http://thepragmaticprogressive.org/wp/)? We would of course give 4 Freedoms credit and include a link to your page. Please let me know if this would be agreeable.
Comment by Scoopster on 07/13/2011 16:26:42
Only if you start sponsoring the daily donut selection.
Scoopster on 07/13/2011 16:26:42
Quote by davidphillips6:
Hey Bob, would you be interested in letting us share your article on our blog site (http://thepragmaticprogressive.org/wp/)? We would of course give 4 Freedoms credit and include a link to your page. Please let me know if this would be agreeable.
Only if you start sponsoring the daily donut selection.
Comment by BobR on 07/13/2011 16:28:10
VERY cool - absolutely!
BobR on 07/13/2011 16:28:10
Quote by Raine:David, I am a fellow Administrator, and yes, Please feel free to share. I was planning on reaching out to your website and ask if we could cross post.Quote by davidphillips6:
Hey Bob, would you be interested in letting us share your article on our blog site (http://thepragmaticprogressive.org/wp/)? We would of course give 4 Freedoms credit and include a link to your page. Please let me know if this would be agreeable.
VERY cool - absolutely!
Comment by Raine on 07/13/2011 16:33:10
mmm... donuts...
Raine on 07/13/2011 16:33:10
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by davidphillips6:
Hey Bob, would you be interested in letting us share your article on our blog site (http://thepragmaticprogressive.org/wp/)? We would of course give 4 Freedoms credit and include a link to your page. Please let me know if this would be agreeable.
Only if you start sponsoring the daily donut selection.
mmm... donuts...
Comment by wickedpam on 07/13/2011 16:37:39
Are they Shoppers donunts?
wickedpam on 07/13/2011 16:37:39
Quote by Raine:Quote by Scoopster:Quote by davidphillips6:
Hey Bob, would you be interested in letting us share your article on our blog site (http://thepragmaticprogressive.org/wp/)? We would of course give 4 Freedoms credit and include a link to your page. Please let me know if this would be agreeable.
Only if you start sponsoring the daily donut selection.
Are they Shoppers donunts?
Comment by Scoopster on 07/13/2011 16:40:38
Scoopster on 07/13/2011 16:40:38
Speaking of donuts.. I was VERY disappointed in Dunkin's "Lemon Meringue" offering. It was just a regular ol' lemon donut with the frosting from an apple crumb!
frauds
frauds
Comment by Will in Chicago on 07/13/2011 16:43:00
Will in Chicago on 07/13/2011 16:43:00
Hello, bloggers!!
I think that Boehner is in a tight spot, the same one that mad scientists in movies get into when they realize that they have created something that they cannot control. He may become a casualty of whatever happens next, and Cantor is waiting in the wings. Whether Cantor will be acceptable to the tea baggers is uncertain.
As for Pakistan, I am worried as the nation's intelligence service has ties to the Taliban. I do not think we are in immediate danger of a Taliban style government with nuclear weapons, which probably would lead to a war with India that Pakistan would lose. (As that war might go nuclear, there would be no real winners, but Pakistan's conventional military is outclassed and outpowered by India's military.) However, we do have reason for concern.
I think that Boehner is in a tight spot, the same one that mad scientists in movies get into when they realize that they have created something that they cannot control. He may become a casualty of whatever happens next, and Cantor is waiting in the wings. Whether Cantor will be acceptable to the tea baggers is uncertain.
As for Pakistan, I am worried as the nation's intelligence service has ties to the Taliban. I do not think we are in immediate danger of a Taliban style government with nuclear weapons, which probably would lead to a war with India that Pakistan would lose. (As that war might go nuclear, there would be no real winners, but Pakistan's conventional military is outclassed and outpowered by India's military.) However, we do have reason for concern.
Comment by TriSec on 07/13/2011 16:44:41
TriSec on 07/13/2011 16:44:41
Comment by Raine on 07/13/2011 16:46:34
Raine on 07/13/2011 16:46:34
ASSCHB.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 07/13/2011 16:47:23
Will in Chicago on 07/13/2011 16:47:23
Arizona at Work on KXXT 1010 AM in Phoenix will be on at the top of the hour. Roman Ulman is hosting today. (He alternates with Jeff Farias every Wednesday at 1 PN Eastern). Here are some links:
STREAM: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/​live-on-the-air0
AUDIO: http://www.familyvaluesradio.n​et/
STREAM: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/​live-on-the-air0
AUDIO: http://www.familyvaluesradio.n​et/
Comment by Raine on 07/13/2011 16:52:28
What I have always found amazing is that Pakistan views India as more of a threat than the Taliban. (See: Kashmir )
What we have always had there in tha treason is a real disconnect. We in the West have been (I think rightfully concerned) about the Taliban -- but Pakistan has ALWAYS been far more concerned with India and Vice Verse.
Those 2 countries have a cold war going on. They have for a long time.
Raine on 07/13/2011 16:52:28
Quote by Will in Chicago:
Hello, bloggers!!
I think that Boehner is in a tight spot, the same one that mad scientists in movies get into when they realize that they have created something that they cannot control. He may become a casualty of whatever happens next, and Cantor is waiting in the wings. Whether Cantor will be acceptable to the tea baggers is uncertain.
As for Pakistan, I am worried as the nation's intelligence service has ties to the Taliban. I do not think we are in immediate danger of a Taliban style government with nuclear weapons, which probably would lead to a war with India that Pakistan would lose. (As that war might go nuclear, there would be no real winners, but Pakistan's conventional military is outclassed and outpowered by India's military.) However, we do have reason for concern.
What we have always had there in tha treason is a real disconnect. We in the West have been (I think rightfully concerned) about the Taliban -- but Pakistan has ALWAYS been far more concerned with India and Vice Verse.
Those 2 countries have a cold war going on. They have for a long time.
Comment by BobR on 07/13/2011 16:59:37
ditto
BobR on 07/13/2011 16:59:37
Quote by Raine:
ASSCHB.
ditto
Comment by BobR on 07/13/2011 17:00:08
bastards!!
BobR on 07/13/2011 17:00:08
Quote by Scoopster:
Speaking of donuts.. I was VERY disappointed in Dunkin's "Lemon Meringue" offering. It was just a regular ol' lemon donut with the frosting from an apple crumb!
bastards!!
Comment by 
livingonli on 07/13/2011 17:01:24
livingonli on 07/13/2011 17:01:24
Good day everyone. I really wish I had a more normal schedule so I could get in on these conversations.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 07/13/2011 17:14:06
There have been 3 wars between India and Pakistan. We must remember that there was a migration of millions from India to Pakistan and vice-versa when India became independent from Great Britain. There were many deaths, and issues of dispute. For example, India still holds onto part of the Kashmir region, which embodies the problems between the two nations.
Will in Chicago on 07/13/2011 17:14:06
Quote by Raine:What I have always found amazing is that Pakistan views India as more of a threat than the Taliban. (See: Kashmir )Quote by Will in Chicago:
Hello, bloggers!!
I think that Boehner is in a tight spot, the same one that mad scientists in movies get into when they realize that they have created something that they cannot control. He may become a casualty of whatever happens next, and Cantor is waiting in the wings. Whether Cantor will be acceptable to the tea baggers is uncertain.
As for Pakistan, I am worried as the nation's intelligence service has ties to the Taliban. I do not think we are in immediate danger of a Taliban style government with nuclear weapons, which probably would lead to a war with India that Pakistan would lose. (As that war might go nuclear, there would be no real winners, but Pakistan's conventional military is outclassed and outpowered by India's military.) However, we do have reason for concern.
What we have always had there in tha treason is a real disconnect. We in the West have been (I think rightfully concerned) about the Taliban -- but Pakistan has ALWAYS been far more concerned with India and Vice Verse.
Those 2 countries have a cold war going on. They have for a long time.
There have been 3 wars between India and Pakistan. We must remember that there was a migration of millions from India to Pakistan and vice-versa when India became independent from Great Britain. There were many deaths, and issues of dispute. For example, India still holds onto part of the Kashmir region, which embodies the problems between the two nations.
Comment by wickedpam on 07/13/2011 17:41:35
DD has gone down hill
wickedpam on 07/13/2011 17:41:35
Quote by BobR:Quote by Scoopster:
Speaking of donuts.. I was VERY disappointed in Dunkin's "Lemon Meringue" offering. It was just a regular ol' lemon donut with the frosting from an apple crumb!
bastards!!
DD has gone down hill
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/13/2011 17:52:53
Mondobubba on 07/13/2011 17:52:53
I go away for a little bit and the blog is driven into the age old donut ditch. I didn't even get to mention Montgomery Donuts. Krispy Kreeme, meh. I am over them. Haven't had one in a long, long time.
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/13/2011 18:00:43
Mondobubba on 07/13/2011 18:00:43
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by BobR:Quote by Scoopster:
Speaking of donuts.. I was VERY disappointed in Dunkin's "Lemon Meringue" offering. It was just a regular ol' lemon donut with the frosting from an apple crumb!
bastards!!
Does the Mittster (through Baine Capitol) still own them?
DD has gone down hill
Comment by Will in Chicago on 07/13/2011 18:02:31
Will in Chicago on 07/13/2011 18:02:31
I am partial to Munster Donuts in Northwest Indiana (a local shop) and on the Southwest Side of Chicago to Weber's Bakery, which has been open since 1930. (They are incredibly good.)
Comment by TriSec on 07/13/2011 18:03:00
Mitt Romney owns them. 'Nuff said.
TriSec on 07/13/2011 18:03:00
Quote by wickedpam:
DD has gone down hill
Mitt Romney owns them. 'Nuff said.
Comment by livingonli on 07/13/2011 18:06:55
livingonli on 07/13/2011 18:06:55
I actually miss Krispy Kreme, one opened here last year but closed within a few months.
Comment by Scoopster on 07/13/2011 18:07:48
I don't believe Bain Capital has had its hands in DnD for a while.. The group of investors he was involved with sold it to a French company a couple years back.
Scoopster on 07/13/2011 18:07:48
Quote by TriSec:Quote by wickedpam:
DD has gone down hill
Mitt Romney owns them. 'Nuff said.
I don't believe Bain Capital has had its hands in DnD for a while.. The group of investors he was involved with sold it to a French company a couple years back.
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/13/2011 18:11:13
What do the French know about doughnuts? Wonderful tarts, torts, and other pastries yes, but leave doughnuts to us, the world leader in lard asses!
Mondobubba on 07/13/2011 18:11:13
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by TriSec:Quote by wickedpam:
DD has gone down hill
Mitt Romney owns them. 'Nuff said.
I don't believe Bain Capital has had its hands in DnD for a while.. The group of investors he was involved with sold it to a French company a couple years back.
What do the French know about doughnuts? Wonderful tarts, torts, and other pastries yes, but leave doughnuts to us, the world leader in lard asses!
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/13/2011 18:17:00
This is what happens when we start talking donuts. It isn't pretty is it?
Mondobubba on 07/13/2011 18:17:00
This is what happens when we start talking donuts. It isn't pretty is it?
Comment by TriSec on 07/13/2011 18:36:18
TriSec on 07/13/2011 18:36:18
Of course, you all know that's yet another thing that New England gave freely to the rest of these United States? You're welcome!
Sprints to brick-proof bunker --->
Sprints to brick-proof bunker --->
According to several widely diverging accounts, the doughnut hole was the invention of a New England sea captain named Mason Crockett Gregory (or Hansen Gregory or Hanson Gregory, depending on who you ask) around 1847. Gregory’s mother Elizabeth made olykoeken and sent them with her son on his journeys to sea. The least likely but most colorful version of the story, and therefore the one I like best, is that Gregory needed a place to put his olykoek while he steered the boat, so he impaled it on one of the spokes of the steering wheel. Other sources say that Gregory came up with the idea in a dream or claimed to have received it from angels; some say he simply didn’t like the uncooked centers (or the nuts his mother filled them with) and poked them out; still others say he may have encountered a cake with a hole in the middle during his journeys and decided to adapt the idea to the olykoeken. Whatever Gregory’s real reason for adding the hole, it had the beneficial effect of making the doughnuts cook more evenly, and the idea quickly caught on.
Comment by livingonli on 07/13/2011 18:48:43
livingonli on 07/13/2011 18:48:43
I feel like Homer Simpsons looking for donuts at the nuclear plant.
Comment by Raine on 07/13/2011 19:10:32
Raine on 07/13/2011 19:10:32
Well, Glad we live on top of a hill... we are under a Flash Flood watch right now.
Comment by Raine on 07/13/2011 19:40:06
Raine on 07/13/2011 19:40:06
Still got nothing on the twitter.
Comment by Raine on 07/13/2011 19:42:38
Raine on 07/13/2011 19:42:38
It appears to be a safari issue. I get it in FireFox. *leSigh*
Comment by Raine on 07/13/2011 19:57:10
Raine on 07/13/2011 19:57:10
A little more about the woman that was found dead in a pool a few weeks ago. The Root asks some very good questions. For those that were wondering, this is a picture of the victim: 
Comment by wickedpam on 07/13/2011 20:06:01
that was a freaking monsoon that blew threw here!
wickedpam on 07/13/2011 20:06:01
Quote by Raine:
Well, Glad we live on top of a hill... we are under a Flash Flood watch right now.
that was a freaking monsoon that blew threw here!
Comment by wickedpam on 07/13/2011 20:06:40
I was going to say I'm was working fine when I checked it earlier
wickedpam on 07/13/2011 20:06:40
Quote by Raine:
It appears to be a safari issue. I get it in FireFox. *leSigh*
I was going to say I'm was working fine when I checked it earlier
Comment by Raine on 07/13/2011 20:07:37
Raine on 07/13/2011 20:07:37
CAn one person tell me why ANYONE would like to have this song dedicated to her?
Comment by Raine on 07/13/2011 20:09:12
It was pretty wicked here. Seems as tho things are starting to settle down now.
Raine on 07/13/2011 20:09:12
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
Well, Glad we live on top of a hill... we are under a Flash Flood watch right now.
that was a freaking monsoon that blew threw here!
Comment by Raine on 07/13/2011 20:11:05
I just don't get it. And I REALLY don't want to have to change browsers. (Although I just tried Chrome, and that says my computer is not a good fit.
I do not like Firefox. (sorry everyone, I just don't)
Raine on 07/13/2011 20:11:05
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
It appears to be a safari issue. I get it in FireFox. *leSigh*
I was going to say I'm was working fine when I checked it earlier
I just don't get it. And I REALLY don't want to have to change browsers. (Although I just tried Chrome, and that says my computer is not a good fit.
I do not like Firefox. (sorry everyone, I just don't)
Comment by wickedpam on 07/13/2011 20:11:45
All I know is that our lights flashed at the office in the middle of a going away party and someone said it was raining out. I check my window and could barely see the tree across the street!
wickedpam on 07/13/2011 20:11:45
Quote by Raine:It was pretty wicked here. Seems as tho things are starting to settle down now.Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
Well, Glad we live on top of a hill... we are under a Flash Flood watch right now.
that was a freaking monsoon that blew threw here!
All I know is that our lights flashed at the office in the middle of a going away party and someone said it was raining out. I check my window and could barely see the tree across the street!
Comment by wickedpam on 07/13/2011 20:13:12
I'm a simple girl, just need a simple brower I've pretty much stuck with IE
wickedpam on 07/13/2011 20:13:12
Quote by Raine:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
It appears to be a safari issue. I get it in FireFox. *leSigh*
I was going to say I'm was working fine when I checked it earlier
I just don't get it. And I REALLY don't want to have to change browsers. (Although I just tried Chrome, and that says my computer is not a good fit.
I do not like Firefox. (sorry everyone, I just don't)
I'm a simple girl, just need a simple brower I've pretty much stuck with IE
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/13/2011 20:28:35
Mondobubba on 07/13/2011 20:28:35
Girls, girls, girls! You are now driving the blog into another old ditch, the which browser is better one. Good gravy are we gonna open the PC vs Mac debate next?
Comment by wickedpam on 07/13/2011 21:13:13
ditches are flooded - we changed to a duck boat
wickedpam on 07/13/2011 21:13:13
Quote by Mondobubba:
Girls, girls, girls! You are now driving the blog into another old ditch, the which browser is better one. Good gravy are we gonna open the PC vs Mac debate next?
ditches are flooded - we changed to a duck boat
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/13/2011 21:22:34
On this day in history Jean-Paul Marat was assissinated in his milk bath by Charlotte Corday. 1793
Mondobubba on 07/13/2011 21:22:34
On this day in history Jean-Paul Marat was assissinated in his milk bath by Charlotte Corday. 1793
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/13/2011 21:50:39
Mondobubba on 07/13/2011 21:50:39
Happy birthday to:
Albert Ayler, Patrick Stewart, Harrison Ford, Ernő Rubik, Cheech Marin, and Bob Crane!
Albert Ayler, Patrick Stewart, Harrison Ford, Ernő Rubik, Cheech Marin, and Bob Crane!
Comment by Raine on 07/13/2011 21:55:59
Raine on 07/13/2011 21:55:59
Hey, guys up in the North East. The NYS Transit authority has issued an amber alert.
Hedz up.
The Washington County Sheriffs Department has activated the New York State AMBER Alert and is investigating a confirmed child abduction that occurred on Turnpike Road, in White Creek, NY at about 4:00 AM on 7/13/2011. The VEHICLE has been identified as a Black 2-door sedan Ford Mustang with NY license plate number DED1769. Anyone with any information on this abduction is asked to call the Washington County Sheriffs Department at (866)NYS-AMBER or dial 911 to provide information on a report or sighting
Comment by Raine on 07/13/2011 21:57:01
All I want is my twitter!
Raine on 07/13/2011 21:57:01
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:
Girls, girls, girls! You are now driving the blog into another old ditch, the which browser is better one. Good gravy are we gonna open the PC vs Mac debate next?
ditches are flooded - we changed to a duck boat
All I want is my twitter!
Comment by BobR on 07/13/2011 22:07:01
"Girls"? - that's a bit sexist and condescending, isn't it?
BobR on 07/13/2011 22:07:01
Quote by Mondobubba:
Girls, girls, girls! You are now driving the blog into another old ditch, the which browser is better one. Good gravy are we gonna open the PC vs Mac debate next?
"Girls"? - that's a bit sexist and condescending, isn't it?
Comment by BobR on 07/13/2011 22:10:15
I still love the DD French Cruellers. There's nothing like them anywhere else. Other than that, I prefer a local shop, but they're hard to find (there's none around here). The only Krispy Kreme I like are the glazed ones, hot off the line. If they're not hot, they're meh. The rest of their donuts are no better than packaged store bought.
BobR on 07/13/2011 22:10:15
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Scoopster:Quote by TriSec:Quote by wickedpam:
DD has gone down hill
Mitt Romney owns them. 'Nuff said.
I don't believe Bain Capital has had its hands in DnD for a while.. The group of investors he was involved with sold it to a French company a couple years back.
What do the French know about doughnuts? Wonderful tarts, torts, and other pastries yes, but leave doughnuts to us, the world leader in lard asses!
I still love the DD French Cruellers. There's nothing like them anywhere else. Other than that, I prefer a local shop, but they're hard to find (there's none around here). The only Krispy Kreme I like are the glazed ones, hot off the line. If they're not hot, they're meh. The rest of their donuts are no better than packaged store bought.
Comment by Raine on 07/13/2011 22:15:55
Raine on 07/13/2011 22:15:55
http://www.screenr.com/P32s <--- It a twitter issue, I think.
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/13/2011 22:20:39
Why yes, Bobber. It was that irony thing.
Mondobubba on 07/13/2011 22:20:39
Quote by BobR:Quote by Mondobubba:
Girls, girls, girls! You are now driving the blog into another old ditch, the which browser is better one. Good gravy are we gonna open the PC vs Mac debate next?
"Girls"? - that's a bit sexist and condescending, isn't it?
Why yes, Bobber. It was that irony thing.
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/13/2011 22:23:02
There is a local donut place, nowhere near my house that has fantastic donuts. I for the life of me can't remember the name of it. I've had donuts from this place once, many years ago. DEE-LISH.
KK doesn't move me like they used to. I concure with your meh.
Mondobubba on 07/13/2011 22:23:02
Quote by BobR:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Scoopster:Quote by TriSec:Quote by wickedpam:
DD has gone down hill
Mitt Romney owns them. 'Nuff said.
I don't believe Bain Capital has had its hands in DnD for a while.. The group of investors he was involved with sold it to a French company a couple years back.
What do the French know about doughnuts? Wonderful tarts, torts, and other pastries yes, but leave doughnuts to us, the world leader in lard asses!
I still love the DD French Cruellers. There's nothing like them anywhere else. Other than that, I prefer a local shop, but they're hard to find (there's none around here). The only Krispy Kreme I like are the glazed ones, hot off the line. If they're not hot, they're meh. The rest of their donuts are no better than packaged store bought.
There is a local donut place, nowhere near my house that has fantastic donuts. I for the life of me can't remember the name of it. I've had donuts from this place once, many years ago. DEE-LISH.
KK doesn't move me like they used to. I concure with your meh.
Comment by Raine on 07/13/2011 22:37:20
Raine on 07/13/2011 22:37:20
and... this is why people should not give lunatics the time of day. Jimmy O'keefe is literally begging for money.
Comment by Raine on 07/14/2011 00:44:08
Raine on 07/14/2011 00:44:08