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Deceit
Author: Raine
Date: 07/21/2011 14:10:22
What more can be said about the Debt Ceiling negotiations. Yesterday there was hope that a deal could be made, until -- well Obama said it was interesting. Almost like magic, the GOP recoiled: Once again, the GOP is proving that by and large, they are putting party above country. We've written about this often here on the blog, because it happens so often. They literally are doing everything they can to bring down the Presidency, consequences be damned. That's what really is vile. They are trying to crash the economy.
Meanwhile, a few women are calling for a rebuke of Representative Allen West: Personally, I would like to see a few Republican women calling for this rebuke. As Karl Fricsh pointed out, this was a man threatening a woman for not staying in her place. Like many words, they can sometimes be used in a derogatory way, as was the usage of the word "Lady" this time. As Carolyn Maloney states:
He has a bit of a poor track record when it comes to women, as Think Progress reports: He's even gone so far as to have one of his constituents arrested and thrown in jail for trying to speak at a town hall event. They are vile. They are wretched, and when they tell you what they will do, believe them. Representative Wasserman-Shultz has treated this 'situation' with the grace and political aplomb that I have come to expect from her:
She is right. If he can't handle the job, he should resign. Allen West doesn't even live in the district he represents! I am still trying to figure out that one. Every damn one of these GOP members who WON'T do their job should resign. Campaigning is easy -- it's the governing that hard, and they are proving time and time again they cannot govern. I still haven't heard a peep from the GOP leadership about this incident, and to be honest, I'm not surprised: they are all men - men who have done nothing but obstruct our economy and tried to pass bills taking away the rights of women. From Planned Parenthood to restricting access to health care, they have shown how they feel about women -- Allen West seems to be their poster child in a Private Boys Club. They'll let the women in and allow them to think that they can be a part of it, but they shouldn't count on that. Take a look at the women they have allowed to stand in the doorway. They won't let Kay bailey Hutchinson anywhere NEAR that door....
I'm sick of it all. I want our country run by grownups. I want it run by people who care about country first.
and 
Raine
It's not just Ryan, though. House Armed Services Committee Chairman Buck McKeon (R-CA) says he opposes the Gang of Six plan because it cuts too deeply into military spending.
And, perhaps most telling of all, a Senate GOP Leadership Aide told Politico, "Background guidance: The President killed any chance of its success by 1) Embracing it. 2) Hailing the fact that it increases taxes. 3) Saying it mirrors his own plan."
One imagines that if Obama'd said nothing, GOP aides would be complain just as loudly that the President hasn't publicly embraced any proposal coming out of Congress. Now that he has, Republicans will run away -- and that's just what we're seeing.
Meanwhile, a few women are calling for a rebuke of Representative Allen West:
A group of House Democratic women called Wednesday on Republican leaders to rebuke Rep. Allen B. West (R-Fla.) for calling Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-Fla.) “vile,” “despicable” and “not a lady.”
Reps. Gwen Moore (Wis.), Lois Capps (Calif.), Jackie Speier (Calif.), Donna F. Edwards (Md.) and Carolyn B. Maloney (N.Y.) said that West should apologize for his comments and that House GOP leaders should publicly disavow them.
“We see this as a historic and systemic way that women have been subjected to sexism particularly in this venue, in this political environment,” Moore said. ”Just once again, we have been told that in order to be a ‘lady,’ we need to just stay in our places.”
On Wednesday, Maloney said, “I’ve got to tell you that standing up for what you believe in, speaking out on the floor of Congress, and getting elected to office is very ladylike, Mr. West. And I’d like to say that I believe it’s sad that Mr. West felt he had to resort to that kind of language, but they resort to that type of language because they cannot win on the merits.”
The New York Democrats added, “If [West] had given those comments on the floor of the House of Representatives, his words would have been taken down and stricken from the record because his words were nothing more than personal attacks, and the rules of this Congress do not permit personal attacks.”
He has a bit of a poor track record when it comes to women, as Think Progress reports:
West contributed to a Florida magazine that called women “oral relief stations”: Before he was elected to Congress, West was a monthly contributor to “Miami Mike’s Wheels On The Road,” a biker magazine that billed itself as the “South Florida Biker’s Bible.” The magazine has featured multiple overtly misogynistic articles, including one asking readers to imagine having sex with Wasserman Schultz. At other times, the magazine’s writers referred to women as “oral relief stations,” complained about women who said “their knees hurt,” depicted women as servants of men, and suggested that they should wear “slave chokers” as accessories.
West claimed liberal women were “neutering” American men and causing a crisis of leadership in America: In a speech to a Women Impacting Nation (WIN) meeting, West blamed liberal women — “these Planned Parenthood women, the Code Pink women” — for “neutering American men and bringing us to the point of this incredible weakness.” Such women were fighting “to have our men become subservient,” West said, before bizarrely adding that this new-found subservience would continue to make the nation’s debt and deficits grow.
West compared conservative women to Spartans, asking them to “raise strong men”: In the same speech, West compared conservative women to the women of Sparta, who he claimed were the real strength behind the men of the ancient Greek city-state. The role of conservative women, West said, was to “raise strong men,” just as it was in Sparta. As Mediaite’s Frances Martel noted at the time, Spartan women had no political rights and were trained to be strong solely for the betterment of males. West’s comparison to Sparta implies that he believes “strong women are to raise strong men,” Martel wrote. “Strong women are not just to be, the way strong men are.”
She is right. If he can't handle the job, he should resign. Allen West doesn't even live in the district he represents! I am still trying to figure out that one. Every damn one of these GOP members who WON'T do their job should resign. Campaigning is easy -- it's the governing that hard, and they are proving time and time again they cannot govern. I still haven't heard a peep from the GOP leadership about this incident, and to be honest, I'm not surprised: they are all men - men who have done nothing but obstruct our economy and tried to pass bills taking away the rights of women. From Planned Parenthood to restricting access to health care, they have shown how they feel about women -- Allen West seems to be their poster child in a Private Boys Club. They'll let the women in and allow them to think that they can be a part of it, but they shouldn't count on that. Take a look at the women they have allowed to stand in the doorway. They won't let Kay bailey Hutchinson anywhere NEAR that door....
I'm sick of it all. I want our country run by grownups. I want it run by people who care about country first.
and Raine
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Comment by 
Mondobubba on 07/21/2011 12:45:57
Mondobubba on 07/21/2011 12:45:57
First! :Looks around, shrugs. Flops down on fainting couch, grabs an old "People" magazine. Leafs through it:
Comment by 
wickedpam on 07/21/2011 12:55:16
wickedpam on 07/21/2011 12:55:16
Morning 
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/21/2011 12:56:20
Mondobubba on 07/21/2011 12:56:20
:peeks over people: Hi Mala. I am really worried about poor liltte Lindsey Lohan. :goes back to "People":
Comment by 
TriSec on 07/21/2011 12:58:04
TriSec on 07/21/2011 12:58:04
:jogs into blog:
Just heard from Raine..lemme get the coffee on. I've got eggs and Krusteaz back here in the pantry, I think I can scare up some bacon. Who's up?
Just heard from Raine..lemme get the coffee on. I've got eggs and Krusteaz back here in the pantry, I think I can scare up some bacon. Who's up?
Comment by TriSec on 07/21/2011 12:59:04
TriSec on 07/21/2011 12:59:04
Comment by TriSec on 07/21/2011 13:02:00
TriSec on 07/21/2011 13:02:00
Say Mondo, you don't get any of the double sonic boom action up your way, do you?
Last one today.
Last one today.
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/21/2011 13:03:05
Sounds good to me. :tosses "People" back on the stack of dog eared magazines:
Mondobubba on 07/21/2011 13:03:05
Quote by TriSec:
:jogs into blog:
Just heard from Raine..lemme get the coffee on. I've got eggs and Krusteaz back here in the pantry, I think I can scare up some bacon. Who's up?
Sounds good to me. :tosses "People" back on the stack of dog eared magazines:
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/21/2011 13:03:23
Nope. If we did I was asleep.
Mondobubba on 07/21/2011 13:03:23
Quote by TriSec:
Say Mondo, you don't get any of the double sonic boom action up your way, do you?
Last one today.
Nope. If we did I was asleep.
Comment by 
Raine on 07/21/2011 13:11:06
Raine on 07/21/2011 13:11:06
I'm still working on it!!! :runs from the control room:
Meanwhile, that ad that mala was talking about? Here you go:
Altho I can tell you that here in DC, it said it paid for by a different group. Mala, Keep an eye out for that information. :runs back to control room:
Meanwhile, that ad that mala was talking about? Here you go:
Altho I can tell you that here in DC, it said it paid for by a different group. Mala, Keep an eye out for that information. :runs back to control room:
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/21/2011 13:16:20
Mondobubba on 07/21/2011 13:16:20
I'm just gonna say this once. I should not have to wear a sweater at work in July, in Florida. It is about 60 degrees around my desk.
Comment by 
Scoopster on 07/21/2011 13:17:00
Scoopster on 07/21/2011 13:17:00
Mornin' all.. 
Welp.. I've got a big pack o' bagels from Panera and there's only two people in the office. Anyone up for some carbo loading?
Welp.. I've got a big pack o' bagels from Panera and there's only two people in the office. Anyone up for some carbo loading?
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/21/2011 13:17:40
Saw that between "Wheel of Fortune" and "Jeopardy" last night.
Mondobubba on 07/21/2011 13:17:40
Quote by Raine:
I'm still working on it!!! :runs from the control room:
Meanwhile, that ad that mala was talking about? Here you go:Karl Rove, Crossroads.
Altho I can tell you that here in DC, it said it paid for by a different group. Mala, Keep an eye out for that information. :runs back to control room:
Saw that between "Wheel of Fortune" and "Jeopardy" last night.
Comment by wickedpam on 07/21/2011 13:21:22
wickedpam on 07/21/2011 13:21:22
Thats the Ad!
The "he spoke so beautifully" line just sounds like code to me. Also why is it just a mom and 2 kids?
I will keep my eyes open for other "sponsers"
The "he spoke so beautifully" line just sounds like code to me. Also why is it just a mom and 2 kids?
I will keep my eyes open for other "sponsers"
Comment by wickedpam on 07/21/2011 13:22:49
I have Honey Nut Cheerios that's enough carbs till lunch
But Panera does have some good bagels
wickedpam on 07/21/2011 13:22:49
Quote by Scoopster:
Mornin' all..
Welp.. I've got a big pack o' bagels from Panera and there's only two people in the office. Anyone up for some carbo loading?
I have Honey Nut Cheerios that's enough carbs till lunch
But Panera does have some good bagels
Comment by TriSec on 07/21/2011 13:44:43
TriSec on 07/21/2011 13:44:43
METAR data from Hanscom Field (Bedford, MA):
Current Temp 27°C (81°F)
Dewpoint 22°C (72°F)
Heat Index 29°C (85°F)
Humidity 74%
Current Temp 27°C (81°F)
Dewpoint 22°C (72°F)
Heat Index 29°C (85°F)
Humidity 74%
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/21/2011 13:45:28
Mondobubba on 07/21/2011 13:45:28
Raine, re: Alternet discussion yesterday. The only consistent editorial position they have is on the futility of the "War on Drugs."
Unrelated non-sequiter: It looks like I will need to start wearing a watch cap to keep my head warm along with my frakkin sweater. Memo to management the PCs don't need sub-zero temps to keep them running. They have fans and cooling paste.
Unrelated non-sequiter: It looks like I will need to start wearing a watch cap to keep my head warm along with my frakkin sweater. Memo to management the PCs don't need sub-zero temps to keep them running. They have fans and cooling paste.
Comment by TriSec on 07/21/2011 14:03:14
TriSec on 07/21/2011 14:03:14
As the BBC pointed out this morning in their matter-of-fact style:
"4,000 NASA workers will now lose their jobs."
Good luck and Godspeed, folks.
"4,000 NASA workers will now lose their jobs."
Good luck and Godspeed, folks.
Comment by 
BobR on 07/21/2011 14:06:21
OK - who brought a "People" magazine into the blog???
BobR on 07/21/2011 14:06:21
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by TriSec:
:jogs into blog:
Just heard from Raine..lemme get the coffee on. I've got eggs and Krusteaz back here in the pantry, I think I can scare up some bacon. Who's up?
Sounds good to me. :tosses "People" back on the stack of dog eared magazines:
OK - who brought a "People" magazine into the blog???
Comment by wickedpam on 07/21/2011 14:07:28
Don't look at me, National Enquirer is far more reliable
wickedpam on 07/21/2011 14:07:28
Quote by BobR:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by TriSec:
:jogs into blog:
Just heard from Raine..lemme get the coffee on. I've got eggs and Krusteaz back here in the pantry, I think I can scare up some bacon. Who's up?
Sounds good to me. :tosses "People" back on the stack of dog eared magazines:
OK - who brought a "People" magazine into the blog???
Don't look at me, National Enquirer is far more reliable
Comment by TriSec on 07/21/2011 14:11:57
TriSec on 07/21/2011 14:11:57
I miss the "Weekly World News". I think I have a couple of vintage Bat-Boy covers over here somewhere...
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/21/2011 14:15:50
Mondobubba on 07/21/2011 14:15:50
Again first. :goes back to "People":
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/21/2011 14:18:21
Hey, they were here when I got here. Over by the fainting couches, in the magazine rack.
Mondobubba on 07/21/2011 14:18:21
Quote by BobR:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by TriSec:
:jogs into blog:
Just heard from Raine..lemme get the coffee on. I've got eggs and Krusteaz back here in the pantry, I think I can scare up some bacon. Who's up?
Sounds good to me. :tosses "People" back on the stack of dog eared magazines:
OK - who brought a "People" magazine into the blog???
Hey, they were here when I got here. Over by the fainting couches, in the magazine rack.
Comment by Raine on 07/21/2011 14:21:14
HEAD, Paper! Neow! go to the 229 mark:
Raine on 07/21/2011 14:21:14
Quote by TriSec:
I miss the "Weekly World News". I think I have a couple of vintage Bat-Boy covers over here somewhere...
Comment by Raine on 07/21/2011 14:23:34
I think they were leftovers from the previous tenants... Back in 2008, when a certain elderly gentleman and a lovely lady were running for office.
Raine on 07/21/2011 14:23:34
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by BobR:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by TriSec:
:jogs into blog:
Just heard from Raine..lemme get the coffee on. I've got eggs and Krusteaz back here in the pantry, I think I can scare up some bacon. Who's up?
Sounds good to me. :tosses "People" back on the stack of dog eared magazines:
OK - who brought a "People" magazine into the blog???
Hey, they were here when I got here. Over by the fainting couches, in the magazine rack.
I think they were leftovers from the previous tenants... Back in 2008, when a certain elderly gentleman and a lovely lady were running for office.
Comment by BobR on 07/21/2011 14:25:57
BobR on 07/21/2011 14:25:57
Quote by Mondobubba:
Again first. :goes back to "People":
Comment by Raine on 07/21/2011 14:30:45
Raine on 07/21/2011 14:30:45
I am a migraine sufferer. They are terribly painful. They are debilitating. They can last for days at a time.
Comment by Raine on 07/21/2011 14:34:48
Raine on 07/21/2011 14:34:48
Proper blog has been posted! Please do take a read, Won't you? 
<-- in a most ladylike way.
<-- in a most ladylike way.
Comment by wickedpam on 07/21/2011 14:44:37
wickedpam on 07/21/2011 14:44:37
Yes hot, hotter then hades this weekend. And in Manassas this weekend we have the Sesquiciacential festivities. That's a few hundred re-enactors in wool uniforms out a Camp Manassas and around the battlefield! They are predicting about 40,000 tourist on top of that. This is not going to be pretty.
Comment by Raine on 07/21/2011 14:48:13
EEP!
That gonna look worse than the re-enacted battle field.
Raine on 07/21/2011 14:48:13
Quote by wickedpam:
Yes hot, hotter then hades this weekend. And in Manassas this weekend we have the Sesquiciacential festivities. That's a few hundred re-enactors in wool uniforms out a Camp Manassas and around the battlefield! They are predicting about 40,000 tourist on top of that. This is not going to be pretty.
That gonna look worse than the re-enacted battle field.
Comment by wickedpam on 07/21/2011 14:55:00
Events I"m just trying to figure out how to get from my house to the Costco and the Teeter this weekend!
wickedpam on 07/21/2011 14:55:00
Quote by Raine:EEP!Quote by wickedpam:
Yes hot, hotter then hades this weekend. And in Manassas this weekend we have the Sesquiciacential festivities. That's a few hundred re-enactors in wool uniforms out a Camp Manassas and around the battlefield! They are predicting about 40,000 tourist on top of that. This is not going to be pretty.
That gonna look worse than the re-enacted battle field.
Events I"m just trying to figure out how to get from my house to the Costco and the Teeter this weekend!
Comment by Raine on 07/21/2011 14:58:59
Raine on 07/21/2011 14:58:59
That would be Ohklahomo! 
Comment by Raine on 07/21/2011 15:04:13
next time you see it -- pay attention to who says the ad is paid by. Please?
Raine on 07/21/2011 15:04:13
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
I'm still working on it!!! :runs from the control room:
Meanwhile, that ad that mala was talking about? Here you go:Karl Rove, Crossroads.
Altho I can tell you that here in DC, it said it paid for by a different group. Mala, Keep an eye out for that information. :runs back to control room:
Saw that between "Wheel of Fortune" and "Jeopardy" last night.
Comment by Raine on 07/21/2011 15:09:50
Raine on 07/21/2011 15:09:50
Maybe she said "I've prescribed medication? "
Comment by wickedpam on 07/21/2011 15:18:14
wickedpam on 07/21/2011 15:18:14
chatroom 
Comment by TriSec on 07/21/2011 15:25:29
TriSec on 07/21/2011 15:25:29
You ever get the impression that watching the debt debate is like floating above some surreal landscape in some kind of detached, ethereal reality?
I believe it was Heinz Guderian that referred to the last days of the Fuhrerbunker as "Cloud Cuckoo Land". It would seem that our esteemed GOP has joined Herr Hitler in the bunker...I only hope that we don't end up looking like the rest of Berlin.
(apologies to Godwin.)
I believe it was Heinz Guderian that referred to the last days of the Fuhrerbunker as "Cloud Cuckoo Land". It would seem that our esteemed GOP has joined Herr Hitler in the bunker...I only hope that we don't end up looking like the rest of Berlin.
(apologies to Godwin.)
Comment by Raine on 07/21/2011 15:27:22
Raine on 07/21/2011 15:27:22
Quote by wickedpam:
chatroom
Comment by Raine on 07/21/2011 15:28:48
Raine on 07/21/2011 15:28:48
So this has become the sketch hour?
This is hilarious.
This is hilarious.
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/21/2011 15:29:38
Mondobubba on 07/21/2011 15:29:38
Quote by Raine:HEAD, Paper! Neow! go to the 229 mark:Quote by TriSec:
I miss the "Weekly World News". I think I have a couple of vintage Bat-Boy covers over here somewhere...
Comment by wickedpam on 07/21/2011 15:30:26
They have gone on to newer, fancier toys
wickedpam on 07/21/2011 15:30:26
Quote by Raine:Quote by wickedpam:
chatroom
They have gone on to newer, fancier toys
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/21/2011 15:30:44
That's easy Crossroads GPS
Mondobubba on 07/21/2011 15:30:44
Quote by Raine:next time you see it -- pay attention to who says the ad is paid by. Please?Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
I'm still working on it!!! :runs from the control room:
Meanwhile, that ad that mala was talking about? Here you go:Karl Rove, Crossroads.
Altho I can tell you that here in DC, it said it paid for by a different group. Mala, Keep an eye out for that information. :runs back to control room:
Saw that between "Wheel of Fortune" and "Jeopardy" last night.
That's easy Crossroads GPS
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/21/2011 15:34:46
And a lovely, ladylike blog at that. You know you place, woman.
Mondobubba on 07/21/2011 15:34:46
Quote by Raine:
Proper blog has been posted! Please do take a read, Won't you?
And a lovely, ladylike blog at that. You know you place, woman.
Comment by 
clintster on 07/21/2011 15:36:46
Raine Louise!
clintster on 07/21/2011 15:36:46
Quote by Raine:
That would be Ohklahomo!
Raine Louise!
Comment by Raine on 07/21/2011 15:37:20
Raine on 07/21/2011 15:37:20
This is exactly what Bob and I said -- if that were anyone of us, here saying what Allen West said, we would have been fired.
Comment by Raine on 07/21/2011 15:38:16
Oh come on-- that was a softball!
Raine on 07/21/2011 15:38:16
Quote by clintster:Quote by Raine:
That would be Ohklahomo!
Raine Louise!
Oh come on-- that was a softball!
Comment by Raine on 07/21/2011 15:39:56
The ad being shown here doesn't say that it is paid for by GPS OR Crossroads. I can't remember what the name was, but that wasn't it.
I think there are shadow groups running alongside or underneath Crossroads.
Raine on 07/21/2011 15:39:56
Quote by Mondobubba:
That's easy Crossroads GPS
I think there are shadow groups running alongside or underneath Crossroads.
Comment by clintster on 07/21/2011 15:40:04
That's what she said.
clintster on 07/21/2011 15:40:04
Quote by Raine:Quote by clintster:Quote by Raine:
That would be Ohklahomo!
Raine Louise!
Oh come on-- that was a softball!
That's what she said.
Comment by Raine on 07/21/2011 15:42:35
Raine on 07/21/2011 15:42:35
At this point I would like to know why the House is going home for the weekend.
Comment by Raine on 07/21/2011 15:43:21
Raine on 07/21/2011 15:43:21
Quote by clintster:Quote by Raine:Quote by clintster:Quote by Raine:
That would be Ohklahomo!
Raine Louise!
Oh come on-- that was a softball!
That's what she said.
Comment by Raine on 07/21/2011 15:44:14
Raine on 07/21/2011 15:44:14
Clint -- you must be LOVING the show today! ALL those Show tunes!!
Comment by clintster on 07/21/2011 15:47:33
And the funny thing is... I know almost all of the ones they are singing. I'm taking a grad course in Musical Theatre this summer and it's almost like studying.
clintster on 07/21/2011 15:47:33
Quote by Raine:
Clint -- you must be LOVING the show today! ALL those Show tunes!!
And the funny thing is... I know almost all of the ones they are singing. I'm taking a grad course in Musical Theatre this summer and it's almost like studying.
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/21/2011 15:48:02
Mondobubba on 07/21/2011 15:48:02
Comment by Raine on 07/21/2011 15:48:21
Raine on 07/21/2011 15:48:21
Quote by clintster:Quote by Raine:
Clint -- you must be LOVING the show today! ALL those Show tunes!!
And the funny thing is... I know almost all of the ones they are singing. I'm taking a grad course in Musical Theatre this summer and it's almost like studying.
Comment by BobR on 07/21/2011 15:54:21
This is who is showing the ads here in DC
BobR on 07/21/2011 15:54:21
Quote by Raine:The ad being shown here doesn't say that it is paid for by GPS OR Crossroads. I can't remember what the name was, but that wasn't it.Quote by Mondobubba:
That's easy Crossroads GPS
I think there are shadow groups running alongside or underneath Crossroads.
This is who is showing the ads here in DC
Comment by TriSec on 07/21/2011 15:54:22
TriSec on 07/21/2011 15:54:22
I can't wait for the default. I was always curious what it was like during the depression (Papa TriSec was a mere babe, and my grandparents are all long gone.) Now we'll get a chance to re-live it firsthand!
Bonus Army!
Apples!
BushTowns! (although *they* will call them Obamatowns)
Why, we've even had two haboobs in Phoenix and a bigtime drought in the Southeast, so we've even got a dust bowl!
Bonus Army!
Apples!
BushTowns! (although *they* will call them Obamatowns)
Why, we've even had two haboobs in Phoenix and a bigtime drought in the Southeast, so we've even got a dust bowl!
Comment by 
livingonli on 07/21/2011 16:18:34
livingonli on 07/21/2011 16:18:34
Good day everyone. It is so hot today that I just feel like sleeping. West does seem to fit in with the low-life biker crowd and more evidence that he along with the rest of the neo-fascist right only view women as breeding tools for the state (just like the Nazis did), which makes me think that the AFA or Karl Rove or trying to shoot the Michelle Bachmann campaign down not because she's a crazy right-wing nut job but because they don't want them there women holding office.
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/21/2011 16:23:59
Cross Roads GPS is named on the site, upper right hand corner. Plus they are in the authority line on the bottom. No More Blank Checks is the name of the crappy looking website.
Mondobubba on 07/21/2011 16:23:59
Quote by BobR:Quote by Raine:The ad being shown here doesn't say that it is paid for by GPS OR Crossroads. I can't remember what the name was, but that wasn't it.Quote by Mondobubba:
That's easy Crossroads GPS
I think there are shadow groups running alongside or underneath Crossroads.
This is who is showing the ads here in DC
Cross Roads GPS is named on the site, upper right hand corner. Plus they are in the authority line on the bottom. No More Blank Checks is the name of the crappy looking website.
Comment by livingonli on 07/21/2011 16:25:34
livingonli on 07/21/2011 16:25:34
It seems like every Karl Rove ads should be followed by how they stack up in Politifact especially when they scream about the deficit while ignoring that most of that $14 trillion debt comes from the last three GOP presidents.
Comment by Raine on 07/21/2011 16:38:16
That was why I mentioned KAy Bailey Hutchinson.
I totally disagree with her politics, but at least she has some moderation to her. She wasn't even allowed a seat at the table. She's retiring instead.
Raine on 07/21/2011 16:38:16
Quote by livingonli:
Good day everyone. It is so hot today that I just feel like sleeping. West does seem to fit in with the low-life biker crowd and more evidence that he along with the rest of the neo-fascist right only view women as breeding tools for the state (just like the Nazis did), which makes me think that the AFA or Karl Rove or trying to shoot the Michelle Bachmann campaign down not because she's a crazy right-wing nut job but because they don't want them there women holding office.
I totally disagree with her politics, but at least she has some moderation to her. She wasn't even allowed a seat at the table. She's retiring instead.
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/21/2011 16:43:36
No Bonus Army.
Mondobubba on 07/21/2011 16:43:36
Quote by TriSec:
I can't wait for the default. I was always curious what it was like during the depression (Papa TriSec was a mere babe, and my grandparents are all long gone.) Now we'll get a chance to re-live it firsthand!
Bonus Army!
Apples!
BushTowns! (although *they* will call them Obamatowns)
Why, we've even had two haboobs in Phoenix and a bigtime drought in the Southeast, so we've even got a dust bowl!
No Bonus Army.
Comment by BobR on 07/21/2011 16:47:10
That's kind of the point. They use various cover web sites to make themselves look grassroots
BobR on 07/21/2011 16:47:10
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by BobR:Quote by Raine:The ad being shown here doesn't say that it is paid for by GPS OR Crossroads. I can't remember what the name was, but that wasn't it.Quote by Mondobubba:
That's easy Crossroads GPS
I think there are shadow groups running alongside or underneath Crossroads.
This is who is showing the ads here in DC
Cross Roads GPS is named on the site, upper right hand corner. Plus they are in the authority line on the bottom. No More Blank Checks is the name of the crappy looking website.
That's kind of the point. They use various cover web sites to make themselves look grassroots
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/21/2011 16:48:47
Mondobubba on 07/21/2011 16:48:47
Comment by Raine on 07/21/2011 16:49:49
I don't think this is in dispute. Crossroads/GPS made the ad...
the ad was produced by Crossroads. I want to know if other groups are paying for the right to allow crossroads to represent them.
That's all it that simple. Let's say another conservative group want to tack the name on the ad... It will still say the website -- it could also possibly say "Paid for by friends of the conservative parents and homphobes of america." That is what I am trying to figure out.
Someone is helping to pay to get these ads on TV -- and with the Citizens United ruling, groups like crossroads can sell thier product to other conservative interests -- at least this is how I am seeing it.
That is why I asked if you could check to see the fine print of who paid for that ad -- not who is promoting it.
Raine on 07/21/2011 16:49:49
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by BobR:Quote by Raine:The ad being shown here doesn't say that it is paid for by GPS OR Crossroads. I can't remember what the name was, but that wasn't it.Quote by Mondobubba:
That's easy Crossroads GPS
I think there are shadow groups running alongside or underneath Crossroads.
This is who is showing the ads here in DC
Cross Roads GPS is named on the site, upper right hand corner. Plus they are in the authority line on the bottom. No More Blank Checks is the name of the crappy looking website.
the ad was produced by Crossroads. I want to know if other groups are paying for the right to allow crossroads to represent them.
That's all it that simple. Let's say another conservative group want to tack the name on the ad... It will still say the website -- it could also possibly say "Paid for by friends of the conservative parents and homphobes of america." That is what I am trying to figure out.
Someone is helping to pay to get these ads on TV -- and with the Citizens United ruling, groups like crossroads can sell thier product to other conservative interests -- at least this is how I am seeing it.
That is why I asked if you could check to see the fine print of who paid for that ad -- not who is promoting it.
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/21/2011 16:52:57
Well poo, I guess I am too sophisticated
I mean I always look for the authority line in a political ad. Yet another thing I can blame on "The Wire"
Mondobubba on 07/21/2011 16:52:57
Quote by BobR:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by BobR:Quote by Raine:The ad being shown here doesn't say that it is paid for by GPS OR Crossroads. I can't remember what the name was, but that wasn't it.Quote by Mondobubba:
That's easy Crossroads GPS
I think there are shadow groups running alongside or underneath Crossroads.
This is who is showing the ads here in DC
Cross Roads GPS is named on the site, upper right hand corner. Plus they are in the authority line on the bottom. No More Blank Checks is the name of the crappy looking website.
That's kind of the point. They use various cover web sites to make themselves look grassroots
Well poo, I guess I am too sophisticated
I mean I always look for the authority line in a political ad. Yet another thing I can blame on "The Wire"
Comment by Raine on 07/21/2011 16:54:06
Raine on 07/21/2011 16:54:06
I mean seriously,, you know that most commercials of this sort wait intil the very end, and then in a nice clean box, it says paid for by....
THE Florida State conservative party
New Yorkers for anti Obama bs
Wierd people into barefoot ladies
The ad posted her on the blog is straight from Crossroads. I'm looking at who is paying to have these aired on behalf of crossroads.
THE Florida State conservative party
New Yorkers for anti Obama bs
Wierd people into barefoot ladies
The ad posted her on the blog is straight from Crossroads. I'm looking at who is paying to have these aired on behalf of crossroads.
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/21/2011 16:56:48
Can't really do Youtube at work, except for work related stuff (yeah I know). If the authority line is "paid for by x" then it is x who paid for the ad. As to actually who gave them the money is the murky part. In the case of Cross Roads GPS, Rove tries to hid behind it being a 401 ©4 non-profit, saying that his donors don't need to be disclosed (at least this is what I remember hearing on NPR a while back).
Mondobubba on 07/21/2011 16:56:48
Quote by Raine:I don't think this is in dispute. Crossroads/GPS made the ad...Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by BobR:Quote by Raine:The ad being shown here doesn't say that it is paid for by GPS OR Crossroads. I can't remember what the name was, but that wasn't it.Quote by Mondobubba:
That's easy Crossroads GPS
I think there are shadow groups running alongside or underneath Crossroads.
This is who is showing the ads here in DC
Cross Roads GPS is named on the site, upper right hand corner. Plus they are in the authority line on the bottom. No More Blank Checks is the name of the crappy looking website.
the ad was produced by Crossroads. I want to know if other groups are paying for the right to allow crossroads to represent them.
That's all it that simple. Let's say another conservative group want to tack the name on the ad... It will still say the website -- it could also possibly say "Paid for by friends of the conservative parents and homphobes of america." That is what I am trying to figure out.
Someone is helping to pay to get these ads on TV -- and with the Citizens United ruling, groups like crossroads can sell thier product to other conservative interests -- at least this is how I am seeing it.
That is why I asked if you could check to see the fine print of who paid for that ad -- not who is promoting it.
Can't really do Youtube at work, except for work related stuff (yeah I know). If the authority line is "paid for by x" then it is x who paid for the ad. As to actually who gave them the money is the murky part. In the case of Cross Roads GPS, Rove tries to hid behind it being a 401 ©4 non-profit, saying that his donors don't need to be disclosed (at least this is what I remember hearing on NPR a while back).
Comment by Raine on 07/21/2011 16:57:54
Well bait and switch was something else that was big in the Wire too.
I am going to start keeping a note paper near the TV -- and write down who is paying for these ads. This was why I asked.
The internet says it's KArl Rove and his Crossroads, but the TV may not necessarily do the same.
Raine on 07/21/2011 16:57:54
Quote by Mondobubba:
Well poo, I guess I am too sophisticated
I am going to start keeping a note paper near the TV -- and write down who is paying for these ads. This was why I asked.
The internet says it's KArl Rove and his Crossroads, but the TV may not necessarily do the same.
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/21/2011 17:15:05
Along with the "The Wire" I spent a lot of time going through donor record microfiche at the FEC when I was working for (the then useful) Ralph Nader. I learned a lot working there.
Mondobubba on 07/21/2011 17:15:05
Quote by Raine:Well bait and switch was something else that was big in the Wire too.Quote by Mondobubba:
Well poo, I guess I am too sophisticated
I am going to start keeping a note paper near the TV -- and write down who is paying for these ads. This was why I asked.
The internet says it's KArl Rove and his Crossroads, but the TV may not necessarily do the same.
Along with the "The Wire" I spent a lot of time going through donor record microfiche at the FEC when I was working for (the then useful) Ralph Nader. I learned a lot working there.
Comment by Raine on 07/21/2011 17:23:01
I give up.
I think you are totally missing my point. The only thing I asked is that when you see the Ad, please double check.
Raine on 07/21/2011 17:23:01
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:Well bait and switch was something else that was big in the Wire too.Quote by Mondobubba:
Well poo, I guess I am too sophisticated
I am going to start keeping a note paper near the TV -- and write down who is paying for these ads. This was why I asked.
The internet says it's KArl Rove and his Crossroads, but the TV may not necessarily do the same.
Along with the "The Wire" I spent a lot of time going through donor record microfiche at the FEC when I was working for (the then useful) Ralph Nader. I learned a lot working there.
I think you are totally missing my point. The only thing I asked is that when you see the Ad, please double check.
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/21/2011 17:33:34
Oh I am sorry. Of course if I see the ad, I will check who is on the authority line. I mean they show it about a million times during 6-8 here (local news, game shows).
Mondobubba on 07/21/2011 17:33:34
Quote by Raine:I give up.Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:Well bait and switch was something else that was big in the Wire too.Quote by Mondobubba:
Well poo, I guess I am too sophisticated
I am going to start keeping a note paper near the TV -- and write down who is paying for these ads. This was why I asked.
The internet says it's KArl Rove and his Crossroads, but the TV may not necessarily do the same.
Along with the "The Wire" I spent a lot of time going through donor record microfiche at the FEC when I was working for (the then useful) Ralph Nader. I learned a lot working there.
I think you are totally missing my point. The only thing I asked is that when you see the Ad, please double check.
Oh I am sorry. Of course if I see the ad, I will check who is on the authority line. I mean they show it about a million times during 6-8 here (local news, game shows).
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/21/2011 17:34:24
When I saw it last night, it was Crossroads.
Mondobubba on 07/21/2011 17:34:24
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:I give up.Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:Well bait and switch was something else that was big in the Wire too.Quote by Mondobubba:
Well poo, I guess I am too sophisticated
I am going to start keeping a note paper near the TV -- and write down who is paying for these ads. This was why I asked.
The internet says it's KArl Rove and his Crossroads, but the TV may not necessarily do the same.
Along with the "The Wire" I spent a lot of time going through donor record microfiche at the FEC when I was working for (the then useful) Ralph Nader. I learned a lot working there.
I think you are totally missing my point. The only thing I asked is that when you see the Ad, please double check.
Oh I am sorry. Of course if I see the ad, I will check who is on the authority line. I mean they show it about a million times during 6-8 here (local news, game shows).
When I saw it last night, it was Crossroads.
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/21/2011 17:38:16
Mondobubba on 07/21/2011 17:38:16
Well lookee here, Grover has done flipped and then flopped on no taxes increases ever. I think his investor class masters have taken him out to the woodshed.
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/21/2011 17:45:35
Mondobubba on 07/21/2011 17:45:35
Raine, I am sorry about waxing nostalgic about being research geek back in the day. I had so much fun doing it. :warbles "Memories" off key, belts some gin. cries:
Comment by Scoopster on 07/21/2011 17:48:31
Scoopster on 07/21/2011 17:48:31
Comment by Raine on 07/21/2011 17:52:19
Raine on 07/21/2011 17:52:19
This is a bit sleazy... and possibly illegal -- but most def, Sleazy. Adam Green and Progressive Change Campaign Committee (PCCC) Rip Off Stephen Colbert
WE don't need this shit on our side of the aisle.
WE don't need this shit on our side of the aisle.
Comment by Raine on 07/21/2011 17:53:50
Pff. pass the Gin.
Raine on 07/21/2011 17:53:50
Quote by Mondobubba:
Raine, I am sorry about waxing nostalgic about being research geek back in the day. I had so much fun doing it. :warbles "Memories" off key, belts some gin. cries:
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/21/2011 17:54:56
I bet not. Cause you know he's making the hard choices to fix Michgan's economy and people will look back and thank him!
<---my head exploding. Rick "Deadly Bulb" Scott has pretty much said the same thing.
Mondobubba on 07/21/2011 17:54:56
Quote by Scoopster:
I guess Rick Snyder feels like a giant fucking idiot right now..
I bet not. Cause you know he's making the hard choices to fix Michgan's economy and people will look back and thank him!
<---my head exploding. Rick "Deadly Bulb" Scott has pretty much said the same thing.
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/21/2011 17:55:53
:toss bottle:
Mondobubba on 07/21/2011 17:55:53
Quote by Raine:Pff. pass the Gin.Quote by Mondobubba:
Raine, I am sorry about waxing nostalgic about being research geek back in the day. I had so much fun doing it. :warbles "Memories" off key, belts some gin. cries:
:toss bottle:
Comment by wickedpam on 07/21/2011 17:56:08
definatly scummy
wickedpam on 07/21/2011 17:56:08
Quote by Raine:
This is a bit sleazy... and possibly illegal -- but most def, Sleazy. Adam Green and Progressive Change Campaign Committee (PCCC) Rip Off Stephen Colbert
WE don't need this shit on our side of the aisle.
definatly scummy
Comment by Raine on 07/21/2011 17:57:09
He still seems like he's trying to have it both ways.
Raine on 07/21/2011 17:57:09
Quote by Mondobubba:
Well lookee here, Grover has done flipped and then flopped on no taxes increases ever. I think his investor class masters have taken him out to the woodshed.
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/21/2011 18:21:30
When you have severe clogging of the arteries due to your Funion binging it is hard to let go of stuff without stroke or other circulatory system events. He has to ease into reality otherwise something will give way.
Mondobubba on 07/21/2011 18:21:30
Quote by Raine:He still seems like he's trying to have it both ways.Quote by Mondobubba:
Well lookee here, Grover has done flipped and then flopped on no taxes increases ever. I think his investor class masters have taken him out to the woodshed.
When you have severe clogging of the arteries due to your Funion binging it is hard to let go of stuff without stroke or other circulatory system events. He has to ease into reality otherwise something will give way.
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/21/2011 18:38:17
Mondobubba on 07/21/2011 18:38:17
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/21/2011 18:41:32
Mondobubba on 07/21/2011 18:41:32
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/21/2011 21:43:49
Mondobubba on 07/21/2011 21:43:49
TriSec! Nauset Beach! 1918! What happened?
Bonus points! Explain the signifcance of Elijah Jerry "Pumpsie" Green
Bonus points! Explain the signifcance of Elijah Jerry "Pumpsie" Green