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Ask A Vet
Author: TriSec
Date: 10/16/2007 10:42:30
Good Morning.
Today is our 1,672nd day in Iraq.
We'll start this morning as we always do, with the latest casualty figures in the warron terra, courtesy of Antiwar.com:
American Deaths
Since war began (3/19/03): 3829
Since "Mission Accomplished" (5/1/03): 3690
Since Capture of Saddam (12/13/03): 3368
Since Handover (6/29/04): 2970
Since Election (1/31/05): 2392
Other Coalition Troops: 302
US Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 449
Turning to our friends at IAVA, we find that they too are concerned about the recent veto of the SCHIP program. As it turns out, there are two little-known riders within the program that help the families of wounded troops.
Moving on to Think Progress, there's another voice added to the "duh" file. Gen. John Abizaid says in a recent interview, Of course it's about the oil.
We'll end up today on the political front. Since she voted to authorize Iraq, I guess it only makes sense that Hilary would attack Iran, too.
And so it goes.
Today is our 1,672nd day in Iraq.
We'll start this morning as we always do, with the latest casualty figures in the warron terra, courtesy of Antiwar.com:
American Deaths
Since war began (3/19/03): 3829
Since "Mission Accomplished" (5/1/03): 3690
Since Capture of Saddam (12/13/03): 3368
Since Handover (6/29/04): 2970
Since Election (1/31/05): 2392
Other Coalition Troops: 302
US Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 449
Turning to our friends at IAVA, we find that they too are concerned about the recent veto of the SCHIP program. As it turns out, there are two little-known riders within the program that help the families of wounded troops.
NEW YORK – Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America (IAVA), the nation's first and largest nonpartisan organization for veterans of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, today urged Congress to override the President’s veto of the State Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) reauthorization. SCHIP includes two little-known provisions which help the families of critically wounded troops. The provisions provide one year of employment discrimination protection to family members caring for severely injured troops, and extends permitted work leave for those family members from three months to six months. Congress passed SCHIP earlier this month, but President Bush vetoed the legislation for reasons unrelated to these military families’ amendments. This Thursday, the House will vote on whether to override the President’s veto.
“Any member of Congress who supports the troops should vote to override the President’s veto. If SCHIP fails, so does this protection for families of our most grievously wounded troops. These service members and their families carry the heaviest burdens of this war and they need all the help they can get,” said Paul Rieckhoff, IAVA Executive Director. “Thanks to improved battlefield medicine, thousands of troops are surviving catastrophic injuries, but they face long and painful recoveries at home. The last thing these wounded heroes should have to worry about is whether the loved one at their bedside is going to lose his or her job.”
One in five severely wounded troops say a family member or friend has been forced to give up a job to care for them. This is true of Annette McLeod, who is featured in the national TV ad campaign IAVA is running this week to demand that Congress and the President improve care for veterans. Mrs. McLeod’s husband, Specialist Wendall McLeod, sustained multiple, life-threatening injuries while serving in Iraq. “When my husband returned home grievously wounded, it ripped my life apart,” said Mrs. McLeod. “I lived in South Carolina, but Wendell was being treated in Washington, DC. After just three months, the human resources department at the factory where I had worked for 20 years said I had exhausted my time off. Being forced to give up my job made a heart-wrenching and difficult time even harder.”
Moving on to Think Progress, there's another voice added to the "duh" file. Gen. John Abizaid says in a recent interview, Of course it's about the oil.
During a round table discussion on “the Fight for Oil, Water and a Healthy Planet” at Stanford University on Saturday, Gen. John Abizaid (Ret.), the former CENTCOM Commander, said that “of course” the Iraq war is “about oil“:
“Of course it’s about oil, we can’t really deny that,” Abizaid said of the Iraq campaign early on in the talk.
“We’ve treated the Arab world as a collection of big gas stations,” the retired general said. “Our message to them is: Guys, keep your pumps open, prices low, be nice to the Israelis and you can do whatever you want out back. Osama and 9/11 is the distilled essence that represents everything going on out back.”
Abizaid has previously argued that the U.S. would need “to keep a long-term military presence in Iraq” in order to protect “the free flow of goods and resources” such as oil, but his Stanford comments go much further in pinning oil as a prime motivator for the war.
The Bush administration, however, still denies any connection between the war in Iraq and America’s geopolitical interest in Middle East oil. Just last month, after former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan wrote that “the Iraq War is largely about oil,” Defense Secretary Robert Gates rejected the notion, saying “I just don’t believe it’s true“:
“I wasn’t here for the decision-making process that initiated it, that started the war,” Gates said. But he added, “I know the same allegation was made about the Gulf War in 1991, and I just don’t believe it’s true.”
“I think that it’s really about stability in the Gulf. It’s about rogue regimes trying to develop weapons of mass destruction. It’s about aggressive dictators,” Gates said.
Though Abizaid says that Bush’s Iraq policy seeks to keep oil “prices low,” the per-barrel cost of oil has risen dramatically since the U.S. first invaded. In March 2003, the price of oil was roughly US$35 a barrel. Today, prices reached “above $85 a barrel for the first time.”
We'll end up today on the political front. Since she voted to authorize Iraq, I guess it only makes sense that Hilary would attack Iran, too.
Hillary Clinton today moved to secure her position as the most hawkish Democrat in the 2008 presidential race, saying she would consider the use of force to compel Iran to abandon its nuclear programme.
In an article for Foreign Affairs magazine intended as a blueprint for the foreign policy of a future Clinton White House, the Democratic frontrunner argues that Iran poses a long term strategic challenge to American and its allies, and that it must not be permitted to build or acquire nuclear weapons.
"If Iran does not comply with its own commitments and the will of the international community, all options must remain on the table," Ms Clinton said.
Elsewhere, Ms Clinton took the edge off her steely posture by saying she would abandon the Bush administration's policy of isolating its enemies, and would deploy diplomacy.
"True statesmanship requires that we engage with our adversaries, not for the sake of talking but because robust diplomacy is a prerequisite to achieving our aims."
She says she would even consider offering incentives to Iran in return for a pledge to disarm. However, she sets out a series of stringent conditions that are virtually identical to current White House policy.
"If Iran is in fact willing to end its nuclear weapons programme, renounce sponsorship of terrorism, support Middle East peace, and play a constructive role in stabilising Iraq, the United States should be prepared to offer Iran a carefully calibrated package of incentives," Ms Clinton wrote.
And so it goes.
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Comment by 
Grumpymann on 10/16/2007 11:55:35
Grumpymann on 10/16/2007 11:55:35
Wow it's nice in here I should come andvisit more often.
Comment by 
TriSec on 10/16/2007 12:03:30
TriSec on 10/16/2007 12:03:30
Bitter cake of lies:
Ingredients:
1 over-hyped Japanese pitcher
9 flaccid bats
1 First place finish
1 questionable manager
1 major league bullpen
1 can of gasoline
1. Blow wads of money on the over-hyped pitcher.
2. Finish in first place.
3. Add 9 flaccid bats; stir until smooth
4. Add 1 questionable managerial decision in a critical game situation
Pour ingredients into two major league stadiums; have bullpen pour can of gasoline on opposing batters, throw on lit match.
Stick a fork in ‘em; they’re done.
Ingredients:
1 over-hyped Japanese pitcher
9 flaccid bats
1 First place finish
1 questionable manager
1 major league bullpen
1 can of gasoline
1. Blow wads of money on the over-hyped pitcher.
2. Finish in first place.
3. Add 9 flaccid bats; stir until smooth
4. Add 1 questionable managerial decision in a critical game situation
Pour ingredients into two major league stadiums; have bullpen pour can of gasoline on opposing batters, throw on lit match.
Stick a fork in ‘em; they’re done.
Comment by 
Mondobubba on 10/16/2007 12:14:22
Like I said last night, you only get victory every 86 years. Its like Halley's comet.
Mondobubba on 10/16/2007 12:14:22
Quote by TriSec:
Bitter cake of lies:
Ingredients:
1 over-hyped Japanese pitcher
9 flaccid bats
1 First place finish
1 questionable manager
1 major league bullpen
1 can of gasoline
1. Blow wads of money on the over-hyped pitcher.
2. Finish in first place.
3. Add 9 flaccid bats; stir until smooth
4. Add 1 questionable managerial decision in a critical game situation
Pour ingredients into two major league stadiums; have bullpen pour can of gasoline on opposing batters, throw on lit match.
Stick a fork in ‘em; they’re done.
Like I said last night, you only get victory every 86 years. Its like Halley's comet.
Comment by 
BobR on 10/16/2007 12:20:59
yes, you should.
BobR on 10/16/2007 12:20:59
Quote by Grumpymann:
Wow it's nice in here I should come andvisit more often.
yes, you should.
Comment by BobR on 10/16/2007 12:21:38
Welcome to my world. I could give you a different recipe, but it tastes the same...
BobR on 10/16/2007 12:21:38
Quote by TriSec:
Bitter cake of lies:
Ingredients:
1 over-hyped Japanese pitcher
9 flaccid bats
1 First place finish
1 questionable manager
1 major league bullpen
1 can of gasoline
1. Blow wads of money on the over-hyped pitcher.
2. Finish in first place.
3. Add 9 flaccid bats; stir until smooth
4. Add 1 questionable managerial decision in a critical game situation
Pour ingredients into two major league stadiums; have bullpen pour can of gasoline on opposing batters, throw on lit match.
Stick a fork in ‘em; they’re done.
Welcome to my world. I could give you a different recipe, but it tastes the same...
Comment by 
shelaghc on 10/16/2007 12:37:50
shelaghc on 10/16/2007 12:37:50
Randi Rhodes attacked in NYC:
Jon Elliot reported it on his show last night, some info at the Randi Rhodes message boards
http://forums.therandirhodesshow.com/index.php?showtopic=120516
http://forums.therandirhodesshow.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=120495&view=findpost&p=1218938
Post at Sam Seder's blog:
http://www.samsedershow.com/node/1497
Nothing in the MSM, but someone said ABC ran a piece this morning.
Jon Elliot reported it on his show last night, some info at the Randi Rhodes message boards
http://forums.therandirhodesshow.com/index.php?showtopic=120516
http://forums.therandirhodesshow.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=120495&view=findpost&p=1218938
Post at Sam Seder's blog:
http://www.samsedershow.com/node/1497
Nothing in the MSM, but someone said ABC ran a piece this morning.
Comment by 
Raine on 10/16/2007 12:41:09
Raine on 10/16/2007 12:41:09
Holy crap!!!!
Good morning Shelah! Thanks for the information.
Comment by Raine on 10/16/2007 12:46:33
Raine on 10/16/2007 12:46:33
They bashed her teeth in... Dear god. Sending prayers to Randi.
Comment by Raine on 10/16/2007 12:47:18
Heya Grump!...
Raine on 10/16/2007 12:47:18
Quote by Grumpymann: Wow it's nice in here I should come and visit more often.
Comment by Raine on 10/16/2007 12:53:03
Raine on 10/16/2007 12:53:03
OK, so why Isn't this news about Randi anywhere to be found?
I too saw what Shelagh posted, that someone saw it on ABC and that Jon Eliot confirmed it, but Why can't I find it anywhere else?
This is really scary news.
Comment by TriSec on 10/16/2007 12:58:51
Fascist thugs silencing the opposition?
TriSec on 10/16/2007 12:58:51
Fascist thugs silencing the opposition?
Comment by Raine on 10/16/2007 13:11:48
Raine on 10/16/2007 13:11:48
Momma is mentioning this as well.
Comment by Raine on 10/16/2007 13:12:44
Raine on 10/16/2007 13:12:44
Comment by Raine on 10/16/2007 13:14:54
From that site...
Raine on 10/16/2007 13:14:54
Quote by Raine: From Talking radio Mugged at 39th and Park? That is strange.
Attacks on liberal talk radio stations and their hosts are not a new thing. About a month ago a gunman fired a shot through a window at the studios of KPFT, HoustonÕs, Pacifica station narrowly missing a DJ who was hosting music show at the time. There is currently a $10,000 reward offered to anyone who identifies the shooter. This is not the first politically motivated attack on KPFT. More than 35 years ago, the Ku Klux Klan blew up the station's transmitters twice within the Houston station's first year on the air. Also, according to a blogger on Democratic Underground, Thom Hartmann said on his Friday show that his auto repairman, after replacing his windshield, pointed out to him that he had three bullet holes in his car. Apparently, some right-wing critics of lib talk arenÕt happy that conservative talk only accounts for 90% of the programming on talk radio. These whack jobs appear determined to whatever it takes to silence the opposing point of view. Not surprisingly, the only talk radio host killed for his political views was a liberal. In 1984, two right wing extremists gunned down Denver talk show host Alan Berg. BergÕs tragic murder was memorialized in a chilling movie Talk Radio
Comment by Raine on 10/16/2007 13:15:32
Raine on 10/16/2007 13:15:32
Maybe Momma IS being poisoned... :foil:
Comment by 
livingonli on 10/16/2007 13:24:39
What was the deal with all the ugly, snarky right-wingers (or is it just one right-winger) who posted the nasty comments? Does make me reinforce proof that the modern right is a bunch of ugly, hateful people.
Good morning all.
livingonli on 10/16/2007 13:24:39
Quote by Raine:
From Talking radio
Mugged at 39th and Park? That is strange.
What was the deal with all the ugly, snarky right-wingers (or is it just one right-winger) who posted the nasty comments? Does make me reinforce proof that the modern right is a bunch of ugly, hateful people.
Good morning all.
Comment by livingonli on 10/16/2007 13:34:31
livingonli on 10/16/2007 13:34:31
What's the latest on the board situation?
Comment by Raine on 10/16/2007 13:35:27
Raine on 10/16/2007 13:35:27
You know, if it were Rush that was attacked, I think you would be pretty sure it would have been ALL over the MSM.
Comment by Raine on 10/16/2007 13:37:59
The IPB Server was attacked, we sent out emails to all members. Until we know that they have the issue fixed, we are keeping the board offline.
*sigh*
I Am hoping that we can get it back up soemtime today.
Raine on 10/16/2007 13:37:59
Quote by livingonli: What's the latest on the board situation?
Comment by livingonli on 10/16/2007 13:39:23
livingonli on 10/16/2007 13:39:23
Because nothing says that you're a good Christian like wearing a crucifix over a black cocktail dress when you dress like a transexual prostitute. Yeah, there's consistency there.
Comment by TriSec on 10/16/2007 13:41:41
TriSec on 10/16/2007 13:41:41
Hey, somebody needs to call in and tell Momma and the mooks about the Vet's riders in SCHIP...apparently the Repugs are killing two birds with one stone here. (Sick kids and veterans.)
Yeehaw!
Yeehaw!
Comment by Raine on 10/16/2007 13:42:38
Raine on 10/16/2007 13:42:38
I feeling extra Foily thoday... between the server getting hacked, Randi being attacked and that liutttle story from yesterday... :foil:
Comment by livingonli on 10/16/2007 13:45:16
In Republican world, they should just die and decrease the surplus population.
livingonli on 10/16/2007 13:45:16
Quote by TriSec:
Hey, somebody needs to call in and tell Momma and the mooks about the Vet's riders in SCHIP...apparently the Repugs are killing two birds with one stone here. (Sick kids and veterans.)
Yeehaw!
In Republican world, they should just die and decrease the surplus population.
Comment by Raine on 10/16/2007 13:49:49
Raine on 10/16/2007 13:49:49
Think Progress is reporting the news as well.
It looks Broosack has the stroy scooped all over the place! Good for him!!!
Comment by livingonli on 10/16/2007 13:52:31
livingonli on 10/16/2007 13:52:31
Maybe this country is getting punished for the Bush presidency.
I know I'm just getting by.
I know I'm just getting by.
Comment by Raine on 10/16/2007 13:56:39
Raine on 10/16/2007 13:56:39
:D
Love you mean it!!
Comment by livingonli on 10/16/2007 13:57:14
livingonli on 10/16/2007 13:57:14
Raine. : 
Comment by Raine on 10/16/2007 14:01:52
Raine on 10/16/2007 14:01:52
So I hope I did Alright!
I didn't sound too "Jake-ie" did I?
Comment by 
wickedpam on 10/16/2007 14:02:31
wickedpam on 10/16/2007 14:02:31
Morning :hug:
I missed Raine on the radio machine!!!! :cry:
I missed Raine on the radio machine!!!! :cry:
Comment by Raine on 10/16/2007 14:02:38
Your wish was my command sir Tri...
Raine on 10/16/2007 14:02:38
Quote by TriSec: Hey, somebody needs to call in and tell Momma and the mooks about the Vet's riders in SCHIP...apparently the Repugs are killing two birds with one stone here. (Sick kids and veterans.) Yeehaw!
Comment by Raine on 10/16/2007 14:04:20
I Just talked about a little something that was posted on our blog today!
Vetoing Schip also hurts the troops...
Raine on 10/16/2007 14:04:20
Quote by wickedpam: Morning :hug: I missed Raine on the radio machine!!!! :cry:
Comment by Raine on 10/16/2007 14:06:19
Raine on 10/16/2007 14:06:19
Comment by livingonli on 10/16/2007 14:08:08
You did fine.
Morning Mala.
livingonli on 10/16/2007 14:08:08
Quote by Raine:
So I hope I did Alright!
I didn't sound too "Jake-ie" did I?
You did fine.
Morning Mala.
Comment by wickedpam on 10/16/2007 14:09:18
wickedpam on 10/16/2007 14:09:18
Hey Liv and everyone!
Comment by Raine on 10/16/2007 14:11:22
David Crosby and Graham Nash on HArdball... Play for Peace
Raine on 10/16/2007 14:11:22
Comment by livingonli on 10/16/2007 14:11:27
livingonli on 10/16/2007 14:11:27
Who wants that fine Namibian wine? 
Comment by BobR on 10/16/2007 14:12:55
BobR on 10/16/2007 14:12:55
Morning folks... :coffee:
... and I missed Raine on Momma too... :(
... and I missed Raine on Momma too... :(
Comment by BobR on 10/16/2007 14:13:32
BobR on 10/16/2007 14:13:32
I love the Namibian "Lying Sack of Crap" :plink: :plink:
Comment by Raine on 10/16/2007 14:21:47
Raine on 10/16/2007 14:21:47
Comment by Raine on 10/16/2007 14:23:18
Probably for the best... if I actually was ON momma. I would have broken her. She is too bony and scabby....
Raine on 10/16/2007 14:23:18
Quote by BobR: Morning folks... :coffee: ... and I missed Raine on Momma too... :(
Comment by Raine on 10/16/2007 14:25:29
Actually I would like to try it!
Raine on 10/16/2007 14:25:29
Quote by livingonli: Who wants that fine Namibian wine?
Comment by BobR on 10/16/2007 14:26:27
Raine on Momma....
chicka-chicka bah-wahhhh
and there's just something so hot about "boney and scabby"....
BobR on 10/16/2007 14:26:27
Quote by Raine:Quote by BobR:
Morning folks... :coffee:
... and I missed Raine on Momma too... :(
Probably for the best... if I actually was ON momma. I would have broken her. She is too bony and scabby....
Raine on Momma....
chicka-chicka bah-wahhhh
and there's just something so hot about "boney and scabby"....
Comment by Raine on 10/16/2007 14:27:22
White house Halloween
Raine on 10/16/2007 14:27:22
Comment by BobR on 10/16/2007 14:27:39
"If I could drink sand from a bottle...."
BobR on 10/16/2007 14:27:39
Quote by Raine:Actually I would like to try it!Quote by livingonli:
Who wants that fine Namibian wine?
"If I could drink sand from a bottle...."
Comment by Raine on 10/16/2007 14:28:49
Raine on 10/16/2007 14:28:49
They attacked the 12 year old child with death threats, tell me, why wouldn't they attack Randi?
Comment by Raine on 10/16/2007 14:29:37
That is funny!!!
Raine on 10/16/2007 14:29:37
Quote by BobR:"If I could drink sand from a bottle...."Quote by Raine:Actually I would like to try it!Quote by livingonli: Who wants that fine Namibian wine?
That is funny!!!
Comment by TriSec on 10/16/2007 14:34:10
TriSec on 10/16/2007 14:34:10
*grunt*
I hate when our people call when I'm in a meeting.
Yay for Raine!
:kickcan:
I hate when our people call when I'm in a meeting.
Yay for Raine!
:kickcan:
Comment by livingonli on 10/16/2007 14:44:13
That's just funny, er, wrong.
livingonli on 10/16/2007 14:44:13
Quote by BobR:Quote by Raine:Quote by BobR:
Morning folks... :coffee:
... and I missed Raine on Momma too... :(
Probably for the best... if I actually was ON momma. I would have broken her. She is too bony and scabby....
Raine on Momma....
chicka-chicka bah-wahhhh
and there's just something so hot about "boney and scabby"....
That's just funny, er, wrong.
Comment by livingonli on 10/16/2007 14:45:50
livingonli on 10/16/2007 14:45:50
Momma needs to succumb to the power of big sleep. :zzz:
Comment by livingonli on 10/16/2007 14:49:43
livingonli on 10/16/2007 14:49:43
Imagine what right-wingers would say if we made the same snarky comments about Rush or Sean if this happened to them?
Comment by Raine on 10/16/2007 14:49:57
Raine on 10/16/2007 14:49:57
The board is back online!!!
We will be sending a mass email to all members shortly.
Comment by Raine on 10/16/2007 14:51:26
These people are hateful.
I am now going over to get dirty and see what they are saying at freeperland.
Raine on 10/16/2007 14:51:26
Quote by livingonli: Imagine what right-wingers would say if we made the same snarky comments about Rush or Sean if this happened to them?
Comment by Raine on 10/16/2007 14:53:37
Raine on 10/16/2007 14:53:37
OMG... yes it is ugly over there...
:puke:
Another raging lunatic leftist mugged by reality.
Comment by livingonli on 10/16/2007 14:56:14
If a conservative is a liberal who was mugged, is a liberal a conservative who was arrested?
livingonli on 10/16/2007 14:56:14
Quote by Raine:
OMG... yes it is ugly over there...Another raging lunatic leftist mugged by reality.
:puke:
If a conservative is a liberal who was mugged, is a liberal a conservative who was arrested?
Comment by Raine on 10/16/2007 14:56:50
Raine on 10/16/2007 14:56:50
oh wait there is more...
That one blows me away... I want to ask... ok, so crime increases conservatism? NOW it all makes sense! Jack (cough) Abramoff(cough)
If we had only had more understanding, more outreach, more social service funding for the muggers, thieves and rapists, why, thereÕs no telling etc, etc...
Randi Rhodes is likely to become a conservative.
Comment by Raine on 10/16/2007 15:00:14
Raine on 10/16/2007 15:00:14
AND... here is how the right is going to spin it:
So to momma and the mooks, it is not just the tools at baroosacks site, this is coming from freeper land.
shitsax.
Should have had a bigger dog. ;~)) Seriously. I hope she's alright (and will maybe change her mind on the 2nd Amendment too.)
Comment by TriSec on 10/16/2007 15:04:08
TriSec on 10/16/2007 15:04:08
Gee, maybe if the police went after actual criminals instead of persecuting the "war on drugs".....
Comment by livingonli on 10/16/2007 15:04:22
How come it's all those European countries with gun control and a huge welfare state that have lower crime rates than the United States? If you look at the bigger picture, it really does blow apart the right-wing theory.
livingonli on 10/16/2007 15:04:22
Quote by Raine:
oh wait there is more...If we had only had more understanding, more outreach, more social service funding for the muggers, thieves and rapists, why, thereÕs no telling etc, etc...Randi Rhodes is likely to become a conservative.
That one blows me away... I want to ask... ok, so crime increases conservatism? NOW it all makes sense! Jack (cough) Abramoff(cough)
How come it's all those European countries with gun control and a huge welfare state that have lower crime rates than the United States? If you look at the bigger picture, it really does blow apart the right-wing theory.
Comment by TriSec on 10/16/2007 15:07:58
TriSec on 10/16/2007 15:07:58
"Ask Goldwater-Miller" on a Tuesday???
I am NOT changing this blog!
I am NOT changing this blog!
Comment by Raine on 10/16/2007 15:08:37
SOMEBODY is over at Freeperland too!!! 
Raine on 10/16/2007 15:08:37
Quote by livingonli:If a conservative is a liberal who was mugged, is a liberal a conservative who was arrested?Quote by Raine: OMG... yes it is ugly over there...:puke:Another raging lunatic leftist mugged by reality.
A conservative is a liberal who was mugged...
Comment by Raine on 10/16/2007 15:10:42
HEY! you know, if they told us in advance... we could plan for this sort of thing!!!
Think about it.. Goldwater Miller ... blogging brought to you by FourFreedomsBlog.com
Where is the love??? 
Raine on 10/16/2007 15:10:42
Quote by TriSec: "Ask Goldwater-Miller" on a Tuesday??? I am NOT changing this blog!
Comment by Raine on 10/16/2007 15:11:56
Raine on 10/16/2007 15:11:56
REally feel dirty... I might need a shower. I am glad I was on Momma BEFORE I was in freeper land.
Comment by livingonli on 10/16/2007 15:13:08
Actually that's a cliche the right has used for years.
livingonli on 10/16/2007 15:13:08
Quote by Raine:Quote by livingonli:Quote by Raine:
OMG... yes it is ugly over there...Another raging lunatic leftist mugged by reality.
:puke:
If a conservative is a liberal who was mugged, is a liberal a conservative who was arrested?
SOMEBODY is over at Freeperland too!!!A conservative is a liberal who was mugged...
Actually that's a cliche the right has used for years.
Comment by Raine on 10/16/2007 15:13:12
Raine on 10/16/2007 15:13:12
:foil:
HEh. I could get nasty, but I won't.
Rush had better watch out, he is staying in Manhattan this week. HeÕd better have an alibi.
Comment by Raine on 10/16/2007 15:14:28
Good god. What hateful people.
Raine on 10/16/2007 15:14:28
The reason she was beaten is she didnÕt have money to give the crack head who attacked her.
Comment by wickedpam on 10/16/2007 15:16:47
wickedpam on 10/16/2007 15:16:47
I remember him more as the penguin
Comment by BobR on 10/16/2007 15:18:58
Those are certainly some creative spellings for "barooosk" :poke:
BobR on 10/16/2007 15:18:58
Quote by Raine:
Think Progress is reporting the news as well.
It looks Broosack has the stroy scooped all over the place! Good for him!!!
Quote by Raine:
AND... here is how the right is going to spin it:Should have had a bigger dog. ;~))
Seriously. I hope she's alright (and will maybe change her mind on the 2nd Amendment too.)
So to momma and the mooks, it is not just the tools at baroosacks site, this is coming from freeper land.
shitsax.
Those are certainly some creative spellings for "barooosk"
:poke:
Comment by livingonli on 10/16/2007 15:18:59
Wauugh Wauugh. Now I will put Batman and the Boy Blunder in this pit. Wauugh Wauugh
livingonli on 10/16/2007 15:18:59
Quote by wickedpam:
I remember him more as the penguin
Wauugh Wauugh. Now I will put Batman and the Boy Blunder in this pit. Wauugh Wauugh
Comment by Raine on 10/16/2007 15:19:13
So there it is. Randi pulled her teeth out to make a story up.
What tools.
Raine on 10/16/2007 15:19:13
Quote by Raine: AND.. Now he right wing is starting to claim it is all made up:Something stinks about this story. Check out the edit history on Randi's Wikipedia page. The part about her being attacked on Sunday was removed earlier today, it appears. Go here: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Randi_Rhodes&action=history Furthermore, if you click on the person's IP address (130.76.64.14), you'll see that Wikipedia is asking that person to stop vandalizing Wikipedia web pages. No wonder this story isn't being reported elsewhere - it's probably made up.
Comment by Raine on 10/16/2007 15:20:19
:rofl: ass.
I need an editor.. BADLY!
:rofl:
Raine on 10/16/2007 15:20:19
Quote by BobR:Quote by Raine: Think Progress is reporting the news as well. It looks Broosack has the stroy scooped all over the place! Good for him!!!Those are certainly some creative spellings for "barooosk"Quote by Raine: AND... here is how the right is going to spin it:So to momma and the mooks, it is not just the tools at baroosacks site, this is coming from freeper land. shitsax.Should have had a bigger dog. ;~)) Seriously. I hope she's alright (and will maybe change her mind on the 2nd Amendment too.)
I need an editor.. BADLY!
:rofl:
Comment by livingonli on 10/16/2007 15:20:24
livingonli on 10/16/2007 15:20:24
The campaign chest is empty. 
Comment by TriSec on 10/16/2007 15:20:42
I emailed Chris and Momma again.
TriSec on 10/16/2007 15:20:42
Quote by Raine:
HEY! you know, if they told us in advance... we could plan for this sort of thing!!!
Think about it.. Goldwater Miller ... blogging brought to you by FourFreedomsBlog.com
Where is the love???
I emailed Chris and Momma again.
Comment by Raine on 10/16/2007 15:23:12
The firt thing to go when we ladies lose weight... Just saying... ;)
Raine on 10/16/2007 15:23:12
Quote by livingonli: The campaign chest is empty.
Comment by Raine on 10/16/2007 15:26:08
Raine on 10/16/2007 15:26:08
FAKE NY accent... trust me.
Comment by TriSec on 10/16/2007 15:26:55
TriSec on 10/16/2007 15:26:55
Something is rotten in the state of Denmark with Ms. Rhodes.
I just skimmed the 'net again, and a couple of overseas sites are reporting it, but it's just the story Raine posted below.
There is nothing out there about this anywhere.
When the thugs attack an opponent, the corporate/state controlled media is certainly not going to publicize it.
I just skimmed the 'net again, and a couple of overseas sites are reporting it, but it's just the story Raine posted below.
There is nothing out there about this anywhere.
When the thugs attack an opponent, the corporate/state controlled media is certainly not going to publicize it.
Comment by livingonli on 10/16/2007 15:27:56
Some of us know from experience.
livingonli on 10/16/2007 15:27:56
Quote by Raine:
FAKE NY accent... trust me.
Some of us know from experience.
Comment by wickedpam on 10/16/2007 15:30:47
Speak for yourself
wickedpam on 10/16/2007 15:30:47
Quote by Raine:The firt thing to go when we ladies lose weight... Just saying... ;)Quote by livingonli:
The campaign chest is empty.
Speak for yourself
Comment by TriSec on 10/16/2007 15:32:52
TriSec on 10/16/2007 15:32:52
Ya know, if we're going to have a "State of my rack" address, we're going to need pictures.
From all the parties involved in this debate.
From all the parties involved in this debate.
Comment by livingonli on 10/16/2007 15:35:39
I would be glued to the screen.
livingonli on 10/16/2007 15:35:39
Quote by TriSec:
Ya know, if we're going to have a "State of my rack" address, we're going to need pictures.
From all the parties involved in this debate.
I would be glued to the screen.
Comment by Raine on 10/16/2007 15:37:43
Aww hell... you are one of the lucky ones!!! :rofl:
Raine on 10/16/2007 15:37:43
Quote by wickedpam:Speak for yourselfQuote by Raine:The firt thing to go when we ladies lose weight... Just saying... ;)Quote by livingonli: The campaign chest is empty.
Comment by Raine on 10/16/2007 15:43:13
Like I said... if this were Rush...
Something is not right here.
Raine on 10/16/2007 15:43:13
Quote by TriSec: Something is rotten in the state of Denmark with Ms. Rhodes. I just skimmed the 'net again, and a couple of overseas sites are reporting it, but it's just the story Raine posted below. There is nothing out there about this anywhere. When the thugs attack an opponent, the corporate/state controlled media is certainly not going to publicize it.
Comment by Raine on 10/16/2007 15:44:18
Raine on 10/16/2007 15:44:18
State of my Rack address... Can I do the rebuttal?
Comment by Raine on 10/16/2007 15:46:20
Raine on 10/16/2007 15:46:20
More from freeperland:
Atrocious.
I'm hoping that the assailant and the dog are OK.I hope sheÕs ok, and the assailant is caught.
Comment by Raine on 10/16/2007 15:48:18
Raine on 10/16/2007 15:48:18
One freeper sugggested that this was liek Al Sharpton and Tawna... Another thinks it was a rape ... gone bad...
Uhm... how can a rape *GO BAD*?!?!?! pigs.
PIGS!!!
Comment by livingonli on 10/16/2007 15:48:56
I think you should.
livingonli on 10/16/2007 15:48:56
Quote by Raine:
State of my Rack address... Can I do the rebuttal?
I think you should.
Comment by Raine on 10/16/2007 15:51:55
Raine on 10/16/2007 15:51:55
LEt me make this clear... no attempted rape can go bad.... it can only be less bad and the distinction isn't much differnet.
if it was a failed rape attempt, then it went just a touch better than rape for the victim. it means she isn't phyisically damaged... only emotionally. Fucking assholian freepers.
pigs...
Comment by Raine on 10/16/2007 15:53:01
There you go!!!
Raine on 10/16/2007 15:53:01
Quote by livingonli:I think you should.Quote by Raine: State of my Rack address... Can I do the rebuttal?
There you go!!!
Comment by livingonli on 10/16/2007 15:53:48
I hope all these
vile, hateful people burn in hell. They have lowered the discourse way down the 
livingonli on 10/16/2007 15:53:48
Quote by Raine:
LEt me make this clear... no attempted rape can go bad.... it can only be less bad and the distinction isn't much differnet.
if it was a failed rape attempt, then it went just a touch better than rape for the victim. it means she isn't phyisically damaged... only emotionally. Fucking assholian freepers.
pigs...
I hope all these
vile, hateful people burn in hell. They have lowered the discourse way down the
Comment by livingonli on 10/16/2007 15:54:32
Bravo!
livingonli on 10/16/2007 15:54:32
Quote by Raine:Quote by livingonli:Quote by Raine:
State of my Rack address... Can I do the rebuttal?
I think you should.
There you go!!!
Bravo!
Comment by Raine on 10/16/2007 15:54:35
Raine on 10/16/2007 15:54:35
OK, here is the best slogan...
A Raq that really works!!!
A Raq that really works!!!
Comment by livingonli on 10/16/2007 15:54:55
livingonli on 10/16/2007 15:54:55
I wanna be a NY Goldwater/Miller boy.
Comment by wickedpam on 10/16/2007 15:55:46
wickedpam on 10/16/2007 15:55:46
I don't know how you can stand to look around freeperville.
Comment by livingonli on 10/16/2007 15:57:48
The replies to the post on baroosk's blog were creepy enough.
livingonli on 10/16/2007 15:57:48
Quote by wickedpam:
I don't know how you can stand to look around freeperville.
The replies to the post on baroosk's blog were creepy enough.
Comment by Raine on 10/16/2007 15:57:57
Raine on 10/16/2007 15:57:57
Look!
Yup they DO think crime is a way to make the base bigger... do we need any more proof?
If it changes them to a conservative, it is worth it. Sure looks like "ends justify the means" to me. And apparently the mods agree that your first post was over the line!
Comment by livingonli on 10/16/2007 16:00:49
Because they can only rule through fear.
livingonli on 10/16/2007 16:00:49
Quote by Raine:
Look!If it changes them to a conservative, it is worth it.
Sure looks like "ends justify the means" to me. And apparently the mods agree that your first post was over the line!
Yup they DO think crime is a way to make the base bigger... do we need any more proof?
Because they can only rule through fear.
Comment by TriSec on 10/16/2007 16:17:48
Something Governor Tarkin said way back in Star Wars: Episode IV.
TriSec on 10/16/2007 16:17:48
Quote by livingonli:
Because they can only rule through fear.
Something Governor Tarkin said way back in Star Wars: Episode IV.
Comment by Raine on 10/16/2007 16:18:58
well while we still have water in Atlants... I know the shower is always nearby...
BEsides, if momma makes Producer Chris watch Fox news, the least I can do is go to freeper land.
I read so you don't have to, I guess... I still feel dirty.
Raine on 10/16/2007 16:18:58
Quote by wickedpam: I don't know how you can stand to look around freeperville.
Comment by Raine on 10/16/2007 16:20:17
I meant to type ATLANTA... sorry!
I really suck at typing.
Raine on 10/16/2007 16:20:17
Quote by Raine:well while we still have water in Atlants... I know the shower is always nearby... BEsides, if momma makes Producer Chris watch Fox news, the least I can do is go to freeper land. I read so you don't have to, I guess... I still feel dirty.Quote by wickedpam: I don't know how you can stand to look around freeperville.
Comment by livingonli on 10/16/2007 17:39:08
At least in Atlantis you can summon Aquaman or Namor the Sub-Mariner.
livingonli on 10/16/2007 17:39:08
Quote by Raine:Quote by Raine:well while we still have water in Atlants... I know the shower is always nearby...Quote by wickedpam:
I don't know how you can stand to look around freeperville.
BEsides, if momma makes Producer Chris watch Fox news, the least I can do is go to freeper land.
I read so you don't have to, I guess... I still feel dirty.
I meant to type ATLANTA... sorry!
I really suck at typing.
At least in Atlantis you can summon Aquaman or Namor the Sub-Mariner.
Comment by Raine on 10/16/2007 17:51:00
Raine on 10/16/2007 17:51:00
OK.. I was at the board... I am not a happy camper.
I am not.
Comment by wickedpam on 10/16/2007 18:01:10
wickedpam on 10/16/2007 18:01:10
what's wrong?
Comment by TriSec on 10/16/2007 18:59:41
TriSec on 10/16/2007 18:59:41
Curious...crude has spiked over $88/bbl...
So how come gas isn't up over $4/gal yet?
So how come gas isn't up over $4/gal yet?
Comment by livingonli on 10/16/2007 19:05:59
The oil companies do seem to be holding back.
livingonli on 10/16/2007 19:05:59
Quote by TriSec:
Curious...crude has spiked over $88/bbl...
So how come gas isn't up over $4/gal yet?
The oil companies do seem to be holding back.
Comment by TriSec on 10/16/2007 19:10:35
TriSec on 10/16/2007 19:10:35
Well liv, as you well know, the Northeast is heavily dependend on oil heat. (I think I saw the most affected states listed as MA, RI, CT, NH, VT, NY, NJ, and PA...)
News has been reporting that home heating bills are going to be 'significantly' higher this season than last year...they might indeed be holding back.
Not out of the purity of their hearts, mind you...remember when gas spiked last year and everyone was calling for an investigation into profiteering and price-gouging? Prices started dropping right after that.
News has been reporting that home heating bills are going to be 'significantly' higher this season than last year...they might indeed be holding back.
Not out of the purity of their hearts, mind you...remember when gas spiked last year and everyone was calling for an investigation into profiteering and price-gouging? Prices started dropping right after that.
Comment by BobR on 10/16/2007 19:23:55
It seems like Sam wants to "put it behind him and move on", re: Randi, so I suspect that stories of her mugging by Seder may not be so reliable.
BobR on 10/16/2007 19:23:55
Quote by livingonli:
Randi was not mugged. She apparently just fell.
It seems like Sam wants to "put it behind him and move on", re: Randi, so I suspect that stories of her mugging by Seder may not be so reliable.
Comment by BobR on 10/16/2007 19:25:34
all the red herrings are making the place smell a little fishy... ;)
BobR on 10/16/2007 19:25:34
Quote by wickedpam:
what's wrong?
all the red herrings are making the place smell a little fishy... ;)
Comment by Raine on 10/16/2007 19:54:23
I apologize for not better explaining. And yes, I feel like a lot of red herrings are being dumped, My lack of responding to each one is not an indicator of my agreement with what is being said.
Grrr.
Raine on 10/16/2007 19:54:23
Quote by BobR:all the red herrings are making the place smell a little fishy... ;)Quote by wickedpam: what's wrong?
Comment by Raine on 10/16/2007 19:56:24
there is more to the story.
I don't think she was *mugged* either...
Raine on 10/16/2007 19:56:24
Quote by BobR:It seems like Sam wants to "put it behind him and move on", re: Randi, so I suspect that stories of her mugging by Seder may not be so reliable.Quote by livingonli: Randi was not mugged. She apparently just fell.
Comment by BobR on 10/16/2007 20:01:00
Supposedly she'll be back on the air on Thurs, so we'll get to hear the story from her directly.
BobR on 10/16/2007 20:01:00
Quote by Raine:Quote by BobR:Quote by livingonli:
Randi was not mugged. She apparently just fell.
It seems like Sam wants to "put it behind him and move on", re: Randi, so I suspect that stories of her mugging by Seder may not be so reliable.
there is more to the story.
I don't think she was *mugged* either...
Supposedly she'll be back on the air on Thurs, so we'll get to hear the story from her directly.
Comment by Raine on 10/16/2007 20:11:55
Raine on 10/16/2007 20:11:55
Thursday can't come soon enough. I still hope for her speedy recovery.
Comment by livingonli on 10/16/2007 20:42:21
livingonli on 10/16/2007 20:42:21
Now playing on FSN: Extreme Paintball.
Is there anything we can't televise when we need filler programming?
Is there anything we can't televise when we need filler programming?
Comment by livingonli on 10/16/2007 20:43:54
At least that much. It still sounds like a pretty bad fall. I certainly would be in pain if that happened to me.
livingonli on 10/16/2007 20:43:54
Quote by Raine:
Thursday can't come soon enough. I still hope for her speedy recovery.
At least that much. It still sounds like a pretty bad fall. I certainly would be in pain if that happened to me.
Comment by BobR on 10/16/2007 21:14:09
BobR on 10/16/2007 21:14:09
A new term for internets consumption:
Wide-stance Republican: Espousing anti-gay positions while secretly craving homosexual love, while also meaning your public stance is way wide of your private stance
(thanks to Tom Tomorrow
Wide-stance Republican: Espousing anti-gay positions while secretly craving homosexual love, while also meaning your public stance is way wide of your private stance
(thanks to Tom Tomorrow
Comment by Raine on 10/16/2007 21:14:30
Raine on 10/16/2007 21:14:30
Shudder... SAm is playing a Rush peice... I despise that man.
Comment by livingonli on 10/16/2007 21:46:36
I like it. :lol:
livingonli on 10/16/2007 21:46:36
Quote by BobR:
A new term for internets consumption:
Wide-stance Republican: Espousing anti-gay positions while secretly craving homosexual love, while also meaning your public stance is way wide of your private stance
(thanks to Tom Tomorrow
I like it. :lol:
Comment by livingonli on 10/16/2007 21:48:33
livingonli on 10/16/2007 21:48:33
Another day, Another Republican pervert gets caught doing something he shouldn't.
Comment by Raine on 10/16/2007 22:09:06
Raine on 10/16/2007 22:09:06
The good doctor is talking about the story posted right here on our blog!! the one that I called momma about!!! :clap:
Comment by livingonli on 10/16/2007 22:22:45
Yay! You are definitely on the inside curve. :)
livingonli on 10/16/2007 22:22:45
Quote by Raine:
The good doctor is talking about the story posted right here on our blog!! the one that I called momma about!!! :clap:
Yay! You are definitely on the inside curve. :)
Comment by TriSec on 10/16/2007 22:27:13
TriSec on 10/16/2007 22:27:13
Well, it does my heart good whenever I post something that gets mentioned on TRMS...
We're still on the same wavelength; Unfiltered Lives!!
We're still on the same wavelength; Unfiltered Lives!!
Comment by livingonli on 10/16/2007 22:59:31
livingonli on 10/16/2007 22:59:31
"And now another Lou Dobbs' I Hate Mexicans moment."
Comment by Raine on 10/16/2007 23:04:21
Raine on 10/16/2007 23:04:21
So I am wondering if we should have a Keith Olberman Blog tonite...
Comment by Raine on 10/16/2007 23:05:35
Raine on 10/16/2007 23:05:35
TRi, I feel the same way when one of my stories is on the KO show... I feel like I am doing something right...
Comment by livingonli on 10/16/2007 23:22:43
livingonli on 10/16/2007 23:22:43
123 posts already today. I think this is the biggest day this blog has had so far.
Comment by Raine on 10/17/2007 01:24:01
Raine on 10/17/2007 01:24:01
YEs it is! woohoo!
YEsterday we had quite a few posts combined ... becuase we had more than one blog thang...
Comment by livingonli on 10/17/2007 01:56:16
livingonli on 10/17/2007 01:56:16
We did keep that football one going and than there were all the board issues. Imagine if you took your laptop to the couch.
Comment by livingonli on 10/17/2007 02:05:18
livingonli on 10/17/2007 02:05:18
I hear the Sox aren't doing too good. I wonder if Tri went to bed?
Comment by Raine on 10/17/2007 02:19:04
Raine on 10/17/2007 02:19:04
ok, I just posted a frightening story at the MB...
Comment by Raine on 10/17/2007 02:20:48
OOpsie! Let me finish that with this:
http://fourfreedoms.ipbfree.com/index.php?act=ST&f=15&t=1128
Blackwater Blew up sons skull... They are government sanctioned terrorists to me.
Raine on 10/17/2007 02:20:48
Quote by Raine: ok, I just posted a frightening story at the MB...
Comment by Raine on 10/17/2007 02:23:03
Man.. I was going for more than 12 hours yesterday.
My laptop was on it's own couch.
I think Tri is having a very dry martini or 5 tonite... Pobre TRi.
Raine on 10/17/2007 02:23:03
Quote by livingonli: We did keep that football one going and than there were all the board issues. Imagine if you took your laptop to the couch.
Comment by livingonli on 10/17/2007 02:40:16
I think 5 would probably be about right.
livingonli on 10/17/2007 02:40:16
Quote by Raine:Quote by livingonli:
We did keep that football one going and than there were all the board issues. Imagine if you took your laptop to the couch.
Man.. I was going for more than 12 hours yesterday.
My laptop was on it's own couch.
I think Tri is having a very dry martini or 5 tonite... Pobre TRi.
I think 5 would probably be about right.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/17/2007 02:44:31
Mondobubba on 10/17/2007 02:44:31
Okay so, here I was, with all these good intentions of blogging earlier, then I remembered that season II of "The Wire" was on the HBO on Demand mosheen. Elder Brother Mondo and I watched episode 1, then I watch episode 2. Then at 10 I put on Real Time. I really wish that that Krugman and Joy Bahar had bitch slapped that smug little turd, Tucker Carlson in next week. The more I hear him run his yapper, the more I come to realize that :jazz hands, spirit fingers: is an annoying little sophist lump of dried cat shit.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/17/2007 02:47:07
Mondobubba on 10/17/2007 02:47:07
O I forgot I did watch the last half of Countdown. I don't want to give myself a Wire induced injury of some kind. Bobber, Raine, Tri, Livin you are on notice, you needs to be watching the Wire on Demand. Its not too late to catch up on ALL FOUR SEASONS OF THE BEST SHOW on the TV mosheen! :modbat:
Comment by livingonli on 10/17/2007 02:48:02
livingonli on 10/17/2007 02:48:02
Don't hold back. Tell us how you really feel.
I guess you didn't get to hear Raine call in to Momma.
I guess you didn't get to hear Raine call in to Momma.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/17/2007 02:56:42
Livin, don't tempt me.
I've told you about the part of my brain that is marked "Secret, Nobody Comes In Here," right? It is where all my dark, disturbing vaguely scary ideas come from. You don't really want me to open the door, do you? Do you? I did earlier when I was talking to Raine...:shudder:
Mondobubba on 10/17/2007 02:56:42
Quote by livingonli:
Don't hold back. Tell us how you really feel.
I guess you didn't get to hear Raine call in to Momma.
Livin, don't tempt me.
I've told you about the part of my brain that is marked "Secret, Nobody Comes In Here," right? It is where all my dark, disturbing vaguely scary ideas come from. You don't really want me to open the door, do you? Do you? I did earlier when I was talking to Raine...:shudder:
Comment by livingonli on 10/17/2007 03:03:30
livingonli on 10/17/2007 03:03:30
Time to go home.
Comment by Raine on 10/17/2007 06:28:43
Raine on 10/17/2007 06:28:43
I love Mondo!!!
Goodnight... I cannot be awake all evening you know.
See you all inthe AM.
:peace: 
AND :Boobs:
AND :Boobs:
Comment by Raine on 10/17/2007 06:31:53
Mondo, you should open the door.
Can't be any worse than my response to you, could it?!?!!?
Dark places have a good place around these parts...
Raine on 10/17/2007 06:31:53
Quote by Mondobubba:Livin, don't tempt me.Quote by livingonli: Don't hold back. Tell us how you really feel. I guess you didn't get to hear Raine call in to Momma.
Dark places have a good place around these parts...
Comment by 
MMB on 10/17/2007 07:37:18
MMB on 10/17/2007 07:37:18
I think all of us have a dark private place in our brain. Some let you in some never let you in. The real difference is those who keep their thoughts as well as there dark place in our hearts and souls. Some give way to much and others just don't know how. I also have to agree with MondoBubba that The wire is a great show. 