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Together Forward
Author: Will in Chicago
Date: 2012-12-20 11:00:46
It has been a little less than a week since the tragic events in Newtown, Connecticut where a man killed 20 children and six adults before turning the gun on himself. Even with the distance of time, the wound is still raw and many Americans ask how such a tragedy could happen in this country. We wondered why and search for answers to why this shooting happened and what can be done to prevent similar tragedies, a question that we have asked in the wake of other mass shootings since Columbine..
For myself, I was stunned as I have seldom been stunned. I have been a reporter, and covered murders. I have worked as a teacher and been in many classrooms. I have been in schools where several children in the surrounding neighborhood died each year. In one case, I showed up at a Chicago Public School where high school students walked out to protest the shooting of an honors student on a bus as he tried to push a friend out of the way of gunfire.
When I visited Northern Illinois University at DeKalb, Illinois in the wake of a shooting that left five people dead, I saw signs that said "Together Forward." In the wake of Friday's tragedy in Newtown, these words came back to me as I mourned and reflected on the deaths of the innocent and searched for answers.
The outpouring of sorrow and support for grieving families has been profound. There have been condolences offered throughout the world. Yet, we already have some politicizing of the tragedy.
Congressman Louie Gohmert (R-Texas), has called for more guns as ways to prevent gun violence. Some people are going even further.
The Washington Post reports that someone in Virginia wants teacher to be armed in the classroom.
In an article in Salon, The answer is not more guns, Alex Seitz-Wald examines the claim that more guns will make it safe and finds the argument wanting:
In the face of the public sorrow over the tragedy in Newtown, the president has called for a task force to look at our nation's gun control laws. According to a report in Reuters:
The story refers to a move by Cerberus Capital Management to get out of the gun manufacturing business.
For myself, I have always believed that dialog is crucial for democracy. If we do not speak up, the loudest voice in the room will often be the one with the biggest bankroll. Whether we are concerned with gun control, worry about Social Security changes under the( fiscal cliff negotiations that now appear to be stalled), global climate change or other issues, we must believe in our own power. As a student of history, it seems that the only thing that truly makes change is people putting pressures on leaders. Indeed, a good and moral leader needs to have the support of the public to help press for change if for no other reason than to help move others along.
I believe that we will be able to address the problems in our society and our world. We will need honest dialog and a variety of approaches. We will need both an outside strategy -- protests and actions by independent organizations -- and an inside strategy -- getting allies into positions of power. Whether it is through one small act , such as petitioning a member of Congress or protesting, or a larger act such as organizing mass movements or running for higher office, we have both the power and the responsibility to change this world. Even though the Occupy movement did not change all that it wished, it changed the national and international dialog on the issue of income inequality. Indeed, income inequality was perhaps the issue that brought down Mitt Romney with his remark on the 47 percent. (That remark was chosen as quote of the year by a Yale librarian who released his seventh annual list of memorable quotes.)
It is our task to remember that we can change the world and work to do so, in our own ways and in our own time. We may not all see the full growth of what seeds we plant, but others will harvest the fruit of the trees that we plant. The answer to horrific death and suffering is not to fall into despair and hatred, but to affirm life. The best way to honor the dead is to build a better world for the living.
For myself, I was stunned as I have seldom been stunned. I have been a reporter, and covered murders. I have worked as a teacher and been in many classrooms. I have been in schools where several children in the surrounding neighborhood died each year. In one case, I showed up at a Chicago Public School where high school students walked out to protest the shooting of an honors student on a bus as he tried to push a friend out of the way of gunfire.
When I visited Northern Illinois University at DeKalb, Illinois in the wake of a shooting that left five people dead, I saw signs that said "Together Forward." In the wake of Friday's tragedy in Newtown, these words came back to me as I mourned and reflected on the deaths of the innocent and searched for answers.
The outpouring of sorrow and support for grieving families has been profound. There have been condolences offered throughout the world. Yet, we already have some politicizing of the tragedy.
Congressman Louie Gohmert (R-Texas), has called for more guns as ways to prevent gun violence. Some people are going even further.
The Washington Post reports that someone in Virginia wants teacher to be armed in the classroom.
Va. bill would order schools to arm teachers
By Laura Vozzella, Updated: Wednesday, December 19, 11:54 AM
Del. Robert G. Marshall is proposing a bill that would require some teachers or other school staff to carry concealed weapons in schools.
Marshall (R-Prince William) requested that the bill be drafted in response to the mass shooting last week at a Connecticut elementary school.
Gov. Robert F. McDonnell (R ) said this week that there should be a discussion about whether school staff should be allowed to carry concealed weapons to protect children against intruders.
Marshall’s proposal goes beyond the governor’s comments, which were made in the course of a radio interview Tuesday. Marshall would not only allow staff with concealed handgun permits to carry them in schools, but require school districts to designate some staff members to do so. Those employees would have to be certified in gun safety and competence, Marshall said.
In an article in Salon, The answer is not more guns, Alex Seitz-Wald examines the claim that more guns will make it safe and finds the argument wanting:
Researchers at Harvard have conducted numerous studies comparing data across states and countries with different gun laws and concluded, quite simply, Where there are more guns, there is more homicide.
Daniel Webster, the director of the Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy and Research, explained in an interview: It's hard to make the case, as some have done, that right-to-carry laws will lead to an enormous increase in violence. That does not appear to be the case. But it also does not appear to be the case that there is any beneficial effect.
So if you want to argue that the reason we have so many mass shootings, the reason that the United States has a homicide rate about seven times higher than other developed countries, is because we don't allow enough concealed carry of firearms, the data just don't bear that out. And the thought experiment that you do is almost laughable," Webster added.
Colin Goddard, who became an advocate with the Brady Campaign after getting shot multiple times at the Virginia Tech shooting, put it another way: "If more guns would lead to less crime, then why is America not the safest place in the world, with 300 million guns?"
In the face of the public sorrow over the tragedy in Newtown, the president has called for a task force to look at our nation's gun control laws. According to a report in Reuters:
White House readies gun-control plan as more children laid to rest
By Edward Krudy and Peter Rudegeair
NEWTOWN, Connecticut | Wed Dec 19, 2012 6:15pm EST
(Reuters) - President Barack Obama assigned Vice President Joe Biden on Wednesday to find ways to curtail gun violence in America to try to avoid tragedies like the elementary school massacre in Connecticut, where the town buried one of its heroes on Wednesday.
With Newtown still in mourning from last Friday's shooting, when a 20-year-old gunman shot dead 26 people at Sandy Hook Elementary School and then himself, Biden took the assignment to produce recommendations and to report back to Obama in time for the president's State of the Union address in late January.
Obama's initiative addressed national outrage over the shootings in Connecticut, which have prompted longtime gun-rights supporters to reconsider their positions and a major private equity firm to put its gun-making business up for sale.
The story refers to a move by Cerberus Capital Management to get out of the gun manufacturing business.
For myself, I have always believed that dialog is crucial for democracy. If we do not speak up, the loudest voice in the room will often be the one with the biggest bankroll. Whether we are concerned with gun control, worry about Social Security changes under the( fiscal cliff negotiations that now appear to be stalled), global climate change or other issues, we must believe in our own power. As a student of history, it seems that the only thing that truly makes change is people putting pressures on leaders. Indeed, a good and moral leader needs to have the support of the public to help press for change if for no other reason than to help move others along.
I believe that we will be able to address the problems in our society and our world. We will need honest dialog and a variety of approaches. We will need both an outside strategy -- protests and actions by independent organizations -- and an inside strategy -- getting allies into positions of power. Whether it is through one small act , such as petitioning a member of Congress or protesting, or a larger act such as organizing mass movements or running for higher office, we have both the power and the responsibility to change this world. Even though the Occupy movement did not change all that it wished, it changed the national and international dialog on the issue of income inequality. Indeed, income inequality was perhaps the issue that brought down Mitt Romney with his remark on the 47 percent. (That remark was chosen as quote of the year by a Yale librarian who released his seventh annual list of memorable quotes.)
It is our task to remember that we can change the world and work to do so, in our own ways and in our own time. We may not all see the full growth of what seeds we plant, but others will harvest the fruit of the trees that we plant. The answer to horrific death and suffering is not to fall into despair and hatred, but to affirm life. The best way to honor the dead is to build a better world for the living.
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Comment by 
Will in Chicago on 12/20/2012 12:47:35
Will in Chicago on 12/20/2012 12:47:35
Good morning, bloggers!!! Please pardon the multiple blog entries as I had some problems saving the blog last night. (About two internal server errors and my own clumsiness.)
In addition to the blog, here is a very interesting science story from Space.com:
In addition to the blog, here is a very interesting science story from Space.com:
Potentially Habitable Planet Detected Around Nearby Star
by Mike Wall, SPACE.com Senior Writer
Date: 19 December 2012 Time: 12:01 AM ET
A sun-like star in our solar system's backyard may host five planets, including one perhaps capable of supporting life as we know it, a new study reports.
Astronomers have detected five possible alien planets circling the star Tau Ceti, which is less than 12 light-years from Earth — a mere stone's throw in the cosmic scheme of things. One of the newfound worlds appears to orbit in Tau Ceti's habitable zone, a range of distances from a star where liquid water can exist on a planet's surface.
With a minimum mass just 4.3 times that of Earth, this potential planet would be the smallest yet found in the habitable zone of a sun-like star if it's confirmed, researchers said.
"This discovery is in keeping with our emerging view that virtually every star has planets, and that the galaxy must have many such potentially habitable Earth-sized planets," study co-author Steve Vogt, of the University of California, Santa Cruz, said in a statement. "They are everywhere, even right next door."
Comment by 
Raine on 12/20/2012 13:42:55
Raine on 12/20/2012 13:42:55
Very good stuff, Will. Thank you for the words. 
good morning!
good morning!
Comment by 
velveeta jones on 12/20/2012 13:49:21
velveeta jones on 12/20/2012 13:49:21
Morning. Great post Raine!
Comment by 
TriSec on 12/20/2012 13:50:48
TriSec on 12/20/2012 13:50:48
I spent minutes on this wee little ditty for our friends in the GOP:
Here we come a-waffling
Among the cash so green;
Here we come a-wand'ring
Trying not to be seen.
REFRAIN
Food and drink come to you,
And to you your Lobby too;
And God bless you unless you are a Muslim or a queer;
And God send you a profit for the year.
We are corporate beggars
That beg from store to store;
We crush the neighbours' children,
Whom you have seen before.
REFRAIN
Call up the owner of this place,
Demand his golden ring.
Let him bring us up a pile of cash,
And special laws we shall bring.
REFRAIN
We have got a little purse
Of stretching leather skin;
We want all of your money
To line it well within.
REFRAIN
Here we come a-waffling
Among the cash so green;
Here we come a-wand'ring
Trying not to be seen.
REFRAIN
Food and drink come to you,
And to you your Lobby too;
And God bless you unless you are a Muslim or a queer;
And God send you a profit for the year.
We are corporate beggars
That beg from store to store;
We crush the neighbours' children,
Whom you have seen before.
REFRAIN
Call up the owner of this place,
Demand his golden ring.
Let him bring us up a pile of cash,
And special laws we shall bring.
REFRAIN
We have got a little purse
Of stretching leather skin;
We want all of your money
To line it well within.
REFRAIN
Comment by 
wickedpam on 12/20/2012 13:52:57
wickedpam on 12/20/2012 13:52:57
Morning
Just stopping by a minute then out the door but I will be back later
Oh and Bob Marshall is an ASS of the highest regard. Gonna have to check into when he's up for re-election.
Just stopping by a minute then out the door but I will be back later
Oh and Bob Marshall is an ASS of the highest regard. Gonna have to check into when he's up for re-election.
Comment by wickedpam on 12/20/2012 13:54:56
Nice!
wickedpam on 12/20/2012 13:54:56
Quote by TriSec:
I spent minutes on this wee little ditty for our friends in the GOP:
Here we come a-waffling
Among the cash so green;
Here we come a-wand'ring
Trying not to be seen.
REFRAIN
Food and drink come to you,
And to you your Lobby too;
And God bless you unless you are a Muslim or a queer;
And God send you a profit for the year.
We are corporate beggars
That beg from store to store;
We crush the neighbours' children,
Whom you have seen before.
REFRAIN
Call up the owner of this place,
Demand his golden ring.
Let him bring us up a pile of cash,
And special laws we shall bring.
REFRAIN
We have got a little purse
Of stretching leather skin;
We want all of your money
To line it well within.
REFRAIN
Nice!
Comment by 
Mondobubba on 12/20/2012 13:55:25
Mondobubba on 12/20/2012 13:55:25
Morning my homies!
Comment by TriSec on 12/20/2012 14:21:01
TriSec on 12/20/2012 14:21:01
Menwhile, somewhere in Worcester...
The tortured opening notes of "Wonderful Christmastime" come across the local radio station.
The pencil in TriSec's hand snaps in two like a rifle shot; he turns with the fury of a thousand suns all going supernova at the same time.
BUT Massachusetts has strict handgun and assault weapon rules. His fury wasted, TriSec lets out a sigh through clenched teeth, and meekly goes back to work.
Minutes later, the radio plays "Linus and Lucy" and all is well.
The tortured opening notes of "Wonderful Christmastime" come across the local radio station.
The pencil in TriSec's hand snaps in two like a rifle shot; he turns with the fury of a thousand suns all going supernova at the same time.
BUT Massachusetts has strict handgun and assault weapon rules. His fury wasted, TriSec lets out a sigh through clenched teeth, and meekly goes back to work.
Minutes later, the radio plays "Linus and Lucy" and all is well.
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/20/2012 14:22:59
Aaaaand scene!
Well done! Bravo!
Mondobubba on 12/20/2012 14:22:59
Quote by TriSec:
Menwhile, somewhere in Worcester...
The tortured opening notes of "Wonderful Christmastime" come across the local radio station.
The pencil in TriSec's hand snaps in two like a rifle shot; he turns with the fury of a thousand suns all going supernova at the same time.
BUT Massachusetts has strict handgun and assault weapon rules. His fury wasted, TriSec lets out a sigh through clenched teeth, and meekly goes back to work.
Minutes later, the radio plays "Linus and Lucy" and all is well.
Aaaaand scene!
Well done! Bravo!
Comment by Raine on 12/20/2012 14:40:25
Why Thank you... but Today Will did the Thursday honors.
Raine on 12/20/2012 14:40:25
Quote by velveeta jones:
Morning. Great post Raine!
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/20/2012 14:42:54
Mondobubba on 12/20/2012 14:42:54
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/20/2012 14:44:36
Mondobubba on 12/20/2012 14:44:36
TriSec has gone strangely quiet. I wonder if he's entered into some sort of fugue state brought on by the chemo side effects and the Xmas songs working some strange and evil synergy on his body.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 12/20/2012 14:51:46
I am sure that TriSec will be back. He may just be figuring out what he can have to eat and drink today.
I donated blood yesterday at my synagogue. The Red Cross apparently did not realize at first that non-instrumental Christmas music might be a bit odd in a Jewish synagogue. (Someone chatted with them and they went to the instrumental version of songs.)
Will in Chicago on 12/20/2012 14:51:46
Quote by Mondobubba:
TriSec has gone strangely quiet. I wonder if he's entered into some sort of fugue state brought on by the chemo side effects and the Xmas songs working some strange and evil synergy on his body.
I am sure that TriSec will be back. He may just be figuring out what he can have to eat and drink today.
I donated blood yesterday at my synagogue. The Red Cross apparently did not realize at first that non-instrumental Christmas music might be a bit odd in a Jewish synagogue. (Someone chatted with them and they went to the instrumental version of songs.)
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/20/2012 14:52:02
Mondobubba on 12/20/2012 14:52:02
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/20/2012 14:52:44
Oh dear.
Mondobubba on 12/20/2012 14:52:44
Quote by Will in Chicago:Quote by Mondobubba:
TriSec has gone strangely quiet. I wonder if he's entered into some sort of fugue state brought on by the chemo side effects and the Xmas songs working some strange and evil synergy on his body.
I am sure that TriSec will be back. He may just be figuring out what he can have to eat and drink today.
I donated blood yesterday at my synagogue. The Red Cross apparently did not realize at first that non-instrumental Christmas music might be a bit odd in a Jewish synagogue. (Someone chatted with them and they went to the instrumental version of songs.)
Oh dear.
Comment by Raine on 12/20/2012 14:54:16
Raine on 12/20/2012 14:54:16
Well, she has a point, Sarah is irrelevant.
Comment by TriSec on 12/20/2012 15:02:55
TriSec on 12/20/2012 15:02:55
No, just enjoying the Boston Pops on the ol' ipod after the criminal assault on my eardrums by the McDevitt Middle School Cacophonic Orchestra the other night.
(Actually, they were mostly in tune...they were having problems with tempo. The lounge version of Leroy Anderson's "Sleigh Ride" was rather interesting...)
(Actually, they were mostly in tune...they were having problems with tempo. The lounge version of Leroy Anderson's "Sleigh Ride" was rather interesting...)
Comment by TriSec on 12/20/2012 15:05:10
TriSec on 12/20/2012 15:05:10
Regarding Chemo, I have mostly avoided the dreaded "Chemo Brain". Although my train of thought often derails easily, I rarely lose direction. It's getting things back on track that sometimes takes some doing.
And I saw my counterpart at the Troop meeting last night. Mr. Perry, our Troop Treasurer, was just diagnosed witth lymphoma and had his first treatment recently. He did seem a bit slow and unsteady on his feet, but he was there, dammit!
(Scouts are generally a tough bunch - don't mess with us.)
And I saw my counterpart at the Troop meeting last night. Mr. Perry, our Troop Treasurer, was just diagnosed witth lymphoma and had his first treatment recently. He did seem a bit slow and unsteady on his feet, but he was there, dammit!
(Scouts are generally a tough bunch - don't mess with us.)
Comment by 
Scoopster on 12/20/2012 15:08:03
Scoopster on 12/20/2012 15:08:03
Mornin' all.
Now here's a religious display I can get behind!
Now here's a religious display I can get behind!
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/20/2012 15:08:19
Tri's brain on chemo.
Mondobubba on 12/20/2012 15:08:19
Quote by TriSec:
Regarding Chemo, I have mostly avoided the dreaded "Chemo Brain". Although my train of thought often derails easily, I rarely lose direction. It's getting things back on track that sometimes takes some doing.
And I saw my counterpart at the Troop meeting last night. Mr. Perry, our Troop Treasurer, was just diagnosed witth lymphoma and had his first treatment recently. He did seem a bit slow and unsteady on his feet, but he was there, dammit!
(Scouts are generally a tough bunch - don't mess with us.)
Tri's brain on chemo.
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/20/2012 15:09:09
Waste of pork products.
Mondobubba on 12/20/2012 15:09:09
Quote by Scoopster:
Mornin' all.
Now here's a religious display I can get behind!
Waste of pork products.
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/20/2012 15:13:26
Mondobubba on 12/20/2012 15:13:26
Since I might be getting a new(er) car this weekend, I've noticed that most newer cars have an enormous amount of electronic gee-gawgery in them. Nice analog gauges work perfectly well, global auto industry. Same the gee-gawgery for under the hood where it isn't a distraction.
Comment by TriSec on 12/20/2012 15:17:08
Say WIll, speaking strictly as a musician...is there any Jewish music in a major key? The kids played and sang an awful lot of Hannukah songs at the concert, and they all seem to be minor key and mournful. Surely there is a joyful noise unto the Lord in some sheet music?
TriSec on 12/20/2012 15:17:08
Quote by Will in Chicago:
I donated blood yesterday at my synagogue. The Red Cross apparently did not realize at first that non-instrumental Christmas music might be a bit odd in a Jewish synagogue. (Someone chatted with them and they went to the instrumental version of songs.)
Say WIll, speaking strictly as a musician...is there any Jewish music in a major key? The kids played and sang an awful lot of Hannukah songs at the concert, and they all seem to be minor key and mournful. Surely there is a joyful noise unto the Lord in some sheet music?
Comment by wickedpam on 12/20/2012 15:26:57
:dons Browncoat: Of course Firefly is more Shiny then any Star Wars.
wickedpam on 12/20/2012 15:26:57
Quote by Mondobubba:
Yesch! Firefly is better that Star Warsch! :inhaler, cheetoe dust, screaming at mom etc.:
:dons Browncoat: Of course Firefly is more Shiny then any Star Wars.
Comment by TriSec on 12/20/2012 15:33:05
TriSec on 12/20/2012 15:33:05
Our secretive santa person has brought your Loyal Trisec one of those little indoor helicopters. We'll be flying that around the office pretty soon, methinks.
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/20/2012 15:33:06
Well done, Mala.
Mondobubba on 12/20/2012 15:33:06
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:
Yesch! Firefly is better that Star Warsch! :inhaler, cheetoe dust, screaming at mom etc.:
:dons Browncoat: Of course Firefly is more Shiny then any Star Wars.
Well done, Mala.
Comment by wickedpam on 12/20/2012 15:37:25
been a fan since it first aired, it was a totally awesome show that Fox screwed up by constantly moving the time slot. It was never on the same night.
wickedpam on 12/20/2012 15:37:25
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:
Yesch! Firefly is better that Star Warsch! :inhaler, cheetoe dust, screaming at mom etc.:
:dons Browncoat: Of course Firefly is more Shiny then any Star Wars.
Well done, Mala.
been a fan since it first aired, it was a totally awesome show that Fox screwed up by constantly moving the time slot. It was never on the same night.
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/20/2012 15:37:32
Mondobubba on 12/20/2012 15:37:32
WHAT???
He also calls for us to “engage in more frank discussion of race and culture.†OK, sounds interesting, how do you mean? “For far too long we have tiptoed around these issues, fearful of being branded a racist. If black thugs kidnap and rape a woman, ask if there is something in the black culture that fostered that. If an evil white kid murders a bunch of children at the school, ask the same question of the white community … We have to stop hiding from our respective national sins.â€
Raise your hand if you have no idea what a mass murder by a “white kid†(who is somehow not branded a thug) has to do with a hypothetical group of “black thugs†(who are), except that clearly Birdnow is excited to not have to “tiptoe†around his desire to talk about one of them.
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/20/2012 15:37:59
That never helps.
Mondobubba on 12/20/2012 15:37:59
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:
Yesch! Firefly is better that Star Warsch! :inhaler, cheetoe dust, screaming at mom etc.:
:dons Browncoat: Of course Firefly is more Shiny then any Star Wars.
Well done, Mala.
been a fan since it first aired, it was a totally awesome show that Fox screwed up by constantly moving the time slot. It was never on the same night.
That never helps.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 12/20/2012 15:43:29
Well, there are perhaps a few but I am not a musician. I think that there is a lot
Try these:
Here is a remake of a pop song:
I think this fellow has your complaint in mind:
This may not be what you had in mind:
Will in Chicago on 12/20/2012 15:43:29
Quote by TriSec:Quote by Will in Chicago:
I donated blood yesterday at my synagogue. The Red Cross apparently did not realize at first that non-instrumental Christmas music might be a bit odd in a Jewish synagogue. (Someone chatted with them and they went to the instrumental version of songs.)
Say WIll, speaking strictly as a musician...is there any Jewish music in a major key? The kids played and sang an awful lot of Hannukah songs at the concert, and they all seem to be minor key and mournful. Surely there is a joyful noise unto the Lord in some sheet music?
Well, there are perhaps a few but I am not a musician. I think that there is a lot
Try these:
Here is a remake of a pop song:
I think this fellow has your complaint in mind:
This may not be what you had in mind:
Comment by TriSec on 12/20/2012 15:52:36
TriSec on 12/20/2012 15:52:36
So now we need to don "Gay Apparel" in order to "Troll" a Christmas Carol?
I so don't get the gay rights movement.
I so don't get the gay rights movement.
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/20/2012 16:03:02
I was, well never mind...Will did it already. Now I've got the Driedel Song stuck in my head!
Mondobubba on 12/20/2012 16:03:02
Quote by TriSec:Quote by Will in Chicago:
I donated blood yesterday at my synagogue. The Red Cross apparently did not realize at first that non-instrumental Christmas music might be a bit odd in a Jewish synagogue. (Someone chatted with them and they went to the instrumental version of songs.)
Say WIll, speaking strictly as a musician...is there any Jewish music in a major key? The kids played and sang an awful lot of Hannukah songs at the concert, and they all seem to be minor key and mournful. Surely there is a joyful noise unto the Lord in some sheet music?
I was, well never mind...Will did it already. Now I've got the Driedel Song stuck in my head!
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/20/2012 16:05:32
Mondobubba on 12/20/2012 16:05:32
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/20/2012 16:07:25
Sterling Archer in "gay apparel."
Mondobubba on 12/20/2012 16:07:25
Quote by TriSec:
So now we need to don "Gay Apparel" in order to "Troll" a Christmas Carol?
I so don't get the gay rights movement.
Sterling Archer in "gay apparel."
Comment by Raine on 12/20/2012 16:21:52
These things are starting to make my head hurt.
Raine on 12/20/2012 16:21:52
Quote by Mondobubba:
Sandy Hook masacre is Jon Stewart's fault? Really RWLM? Really?
These things are starting to make my head hurt.
Comment by Raine on 12/20/2012 16:28:35
Raine on 12/20/2012 16:28:35
look at this ish.
After issuing it statement the other day:
THIS IS WHAT THEY POST TODAY:
FLUCKERS.
After issuing it statement the other day:
The NRA is made up of four million moms and dads, sons and daughters – and we were shocked, saddened and heartbroken by the news of the horrific and senseless murders in Newtown. Out of respect for the families, and as a matter of common decency, we have given time for mourning, prayer and a full investigation of the facts before commenting. The NRA is prepared to offer meaningful contributions to help make sure this never happens again.
THIS IS WHAT THEY POST TODAY:
Any efforts by the president and his Democratic allies to pass gun control legislation in Congress are likely to meet strong resistance from Republicans, some Democrats with rural constituencies and, ultimately, the National Rifle Association.
In declaring gun control a "central issue," Mr. Obama added one of the most divisive political debates to an agenda that already includes his ambitions to overhaul immigration law and the tax code. Mr. Obama directed Vice President Joe Biden to develop a list of potential changes to gun regulations, some of which he likely can put into place through administrative action.
FLUCKERS.
Comment by wickedpam on 12/20/2012 16:29:15
wickedpam on 12/20/2012 16:29:15
you know video games are already rated - how about parents actually follow those ratings and more buy a rated M game for a 12 year old
Comment by Raine on 12/20/2012 16:32:47
This was a point that Chris made.
Parents need to take responsibility for that stuff.
Raine on 12/20/2012 16:32:47
Quote by wickedpam:
you know video games are already rated - how about parents actually follow those ratings and more buy a rated M game for a 12 year old
Parents need to take responsibility for that stuff.
Comment by 
BobR on 12/20/2012 16:34:46
Nothing like making a bunch of Jewish characters out of pork products.
BobR on 12/20/2012 16:34:46
Quote by Scoopster:
Mornin' all.
Now here's a religious display I can get behind!
Nothing like making a bunch of Jewish characters out of pork products.
Comment by wickedpam on 12/20/2012 16:34:50
I always thought Chris was pretty smart
:p
wickedpam on 12/20/2012 16:34:50
Quote by Raine:This was a point that Chris made.Quote by wickedpam:
you know video games are already rated - how about parents actually follow those ratings and more buy a rated M game for a 12 year old
Parents need to take responsibility for that stuff.
I always thought Chris was pretty smart
:p
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/20/2012 16:36:27
Yeah I am getting a headache behind my eye from all that simple minded, reductionist, binary horseshite.
Mondobubba on 12/20/2012 16:36:27
Quote by Raine:Quote by Mondobubba:
Sandy Hook masacre is Jon Stewart's fault? Really RWLM? Really?
These things are starting to make my head hurt.
Yeah I am getting a headache behind my eye from all that simple minded, reductionist, binary horseshite.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 12/20/2012 16:40:23
Sorry about that. Here is a remake of a pop song:
Will in Chicago on 12/20/2012 16:40:23
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by TriSec:Quote by Will in Chicago:
I donated blood yesterday at my synagogue. The Red Cross apparently did not realize at first that non-instrumental Christmas music might be a bit odd in a Jewish synagogue. (Someone chatted with them and they went to the instrumental version of songs.)
Say WIll, speaking strictly as a musician...is there any Jewish music in a major key? The kids played and sang an awful lot of Hannukah songs at the concert, and they all seem to be minor key and mournful. Surely there is a joyful noise unto the Lord in some sheet music?
I was, well never mind...Will did it already. Now I've got the Driedel Song stuck in my head!
Sorry about that. Here is a remake of a pop song:
Comment by Will in Chicago on 12/20/2012 16:42:30
Will in Chicago on 12/20/2012 16:42:30
There is a possible motive in the Sandy Hook Elementary shooting from the Huffington Post:
Adam Lanza's Motive: Did Fear Of Being Committed Lead To Sandy Hook Elementary Shooting?
Nancy Lanza, the mother of the Sandy Hook shooter, was in the process of having her son committed to a psychiatric facility when he went on the mass shooting spree, a lifelong family acquaintance told Fox News.
A senior law enforcement official also confirmed that 20-year-old Lanza's anger over his mother's plan is being investigated as a possible motive for the Newtown shooting.
"From what I've been told, Adam was aware of her petitioning the court for conservatorship and (her) plans to have him committed," said Joshua Flashman, 25, who grew up not far from where the shooting took place. "Adam was apparently very upset about this. He thought she just wanted to send him away. From what I understand, he was really, really angry. I think this could have been it, what set him off."
It's unclear whether Adam's mother, Nancy Lanza, was really filing the paperwork, because court officials say that such records are sealed. But she would have gone through a longer process to get legal rights to commit an adult to a hospital or psych ward against his will.
Comment by Raine on 12/20/2012 16:57:45
So far, the only people who appear to have gone on record are his Aunt and the lawn guy--plus e a few people who say they knew her at the bar/restaurant.
It makes no sense. So many reports say that he was a introvert -- to have a break like this just doesn't seem right-- especially with anonymous sources. We keep hearing that he was an Aspie, and yet we have no proof of this. BTW, it is not a mental illness if that is true-
What I want to know -- and I would like reporters to ask this:
Have you told this to law enforcement?
I want to know if the people responsible for investigating this have this information.
Raine on 12/20/2012 16:57:45
Quote by Will in Chicago:
There is a possible motive in the Sandy Hook Elementary shooting from the Huffington Post:Adam Lanza's Motive: Did Fear Of Being Committed Lead To Sandy Hook Elementary Shooting?
Nancy Lanza, the mother of the Sandy Hook shooter, was in the process of having her son committed to a psychiatric facility when he went on the mass shooting spree, a lifelong family acquaintance told Fox News.
A senior law enforcement official also confirmed that 20-year-old Lanza's anger over his mother's plan is being investigated as a possible motive for the Newtown shooting.
"From what I've been told, Adam was aware of her petitioning the court for conservatorship and (her) plans to have him committed," said Joshua Flashman, 25, who grew up not far from where the shooting took place. "Adam was apparently very upset about this. He thought she just wanted to send him away. From what I understand, he was really, really angry. I think this could have been it, what set him off."
It's unclear whether Adam's mother, Nancy Lanza, was really filing the paperwork, because court officials say that such records are sealed. But she would have gone through a longer process to get legal rights to commit an adult to a hospital or psych ward against his will.
It makes no sense. So many reports say that he was a introvert -- to have a break like this just doesn't seem right-- especially with anonymous sources. We keep hearing that he was an Aspie, and yet we have no proof of this. BTW, it is not a mental illness if that is true-
What I want to know -- and I would like reporters to ask this:
Have you told this to law enforcement?
I want to know if the people responsible for investigating this have this information.
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/20/2012 17:01:16
Mondobubba on 12/20/2012 17:01:16
Discovery give gun-themed shows a rest.
Even TLC had the good taste to acknowledge that in light of the tragedy, it was postponing its pilot “Best Funeral Ever†until January, when it will air after a Honey Boo Boo special. And this represents the last time we are ever using the words “good taste,†“TLC†and “Honey Boo Boo†in the same sentence.
Comment by 
livingonli on 12/20/2012 17:13:37
livingonli on 12/20/2012 17:13:37
Good day, everybody. The right-wing just keeps saying more stupid shit and I saw online that Fox and Friends had Santa on as part of the whole "War on Christmas" part and I have to go look at the post but it seems to provide further proof that the people who do Fox's morning show are mentally challenged.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 12/20/2012 17:15:50
I hope that the people being interviewed by the press are talking with the police. I think that we should realize that there are a lot of unanswered questions. As I know a few people with autism spectrum disorders, I see nothing in my experiences which provide a connection to the shootings in Newtown.
Will in Chicago on 12/20/2012 17:15:50
Quote by Raine:So far, the only people who appear to have gone on record are his Aunt and the lawn guy--plus e a few people who say they knew her at the bar/restaurant.Quote by Will in Chicago:
There is a possible motive in the Sandy Hook Elementary shooting from the Huffington Post:Adam Lanza's Motive: Did Fear Of Being Committed Lead To Sandy Hook Elementary Shooting?
Nancy Lanza, the mother of the Sandy Hook shooter, was in the process of having her son committed to a psychiatric facility when he went on the mass shooting spree, a lifelong family acquaintance told Fox News.
A senior law enforcement official also confirmed that 20-year-old Lanza's anger over his mother's plan is being investigated as a possible motive for the Newtown shooting.
"From what I've been told, Adam was aware of her petitioning the court for conservatorship and (her) plans to have him committed," said Joshua Flashman, 25, who grew up not far from where the shooting took place. "Adam was apparently very upset about this. He thought she just wanted to send him away. From what I understand, he was really, really angry. I think this could have been it, what set him off."
It's unclear whether Adam's mother, Nancy Lanza, was really filing the paperwork, because court officials say that such records are sealed. But she would have gone through a longer process to get legal rights to commit an adult to a hospital or psych ward against his will.
It makes no sense. So many reports say that he was a introvert -- to have a break like this just doesn't seem right-- especially with anonymous sources. We keep hearing that he was an Aspie, and yet we have no proof of this. BTW, it is not a mental illness if that is true-
What I want to know -- and I would like reporters to ask this:
Have you told this to law enforcement?
I want to know if the people responsible for investigating this have this information.
I hope that the people being interviewed by the press are talking with the police. I think that we should realize that there are a lot of unanswered questions. As I know a few people with autism spectrum disorders, I see nothing in my experiences which provide a connection to the shootings in Newtown.
Comment by Raine on 12/20/2012 17:20:09
Raine on 12/20/2012 17:20:09
I know they are in mourning, but eventually, I would like to see what the father and brother have to say. Here are a few questions I have (many of which His Father and Brother may not be able to answer) Nonetheless, I'll go forward:
Was Adam Lanza living in a bubble of just he and his mother for the past few years? If so, what happened to Adam when his mother went out? Was he left alone? Many reports indicate that she went out alone, with the exception of her and he going to a shooting range.
Speaking of shooting ranges: Is it true that she brought her son to gun ranges? if so where are the witnesses? Are there records of such visits? Do people have to sign in when going to a gun range? (Point being, just saying they heard he went to gun ranges with his Mom is not enough, I want proof)
Were the guns indeed left unlocked? We have heard reports that she kept them in a safe. Some are assuming that they were not locked up. We have been provided no proof of that. (IOW, Was the safe unlocked? Is there a safe? Did Adam get the combo? A key? )
Why are so many assuming that he was diagnosed with asbergers (spelling,sorry) ? Have we any confirmation from medical professionals that treated him that he was diagnosed with such a determination? We've been told that he had no ability to feel physical pain, where is the diagnosis from the doctors who treated him?
Why are so few people willing to go on record?
I'd like people to go on record -- until then it is speculation. Speculation is fine in some places, (Like here in this blog) but for myself -- it's not fine from people who are thought of to be the media.
Was Adam Lanza living in a bubble of just he and his mother for the past few years? If so, what happened to Adam when his mother went out? Was he left alone? Many reports indicate that she went out alone, with the exception of her and he going to a shooting range.
Speaking of shooting ranges: Is it true that she brought her son to gun ranges? if so where are the witnesses? Are there records of such visits? Do people have to sign in when going to a gun range? (Point being, just saying they heard he went to gun ranges with his Mom is not enough, I want proof)
Were the guns indeed left unlocked? We have heard reports that she kept them in a safe. Some are assuming that they were not locked up. We have been provided no proof of that. (IOW, Was the safe unlocked? Is there a safe? Did Adam get the combo? A key? )
Why are so many assuming that he was diagnosed with asbergers (spelling,sorry) ? Have we any confirmation from medical professionals that treated him that he was diagnosed with such a determination? We've been told that he had no ability to feel physical pain, where is the diagnosis from the doctors who treated him?
Why are so few people willing to go on record?
I'd like people to go on record -- until then it is speculation. Speculation is fine in some places, (Like here in this blog) but for myself -- it's not fine from people who are thought of to be the media.
Comment by Raine on 12/20/2012 17:22:39
:: bangs head on desk ::
No, they are not mentally challenged -- they are master propagandists.
Raine on 12/20/2012 17:22:39
Quote by livingonli:
Good day, everybody. The right-wing just keeps saying more stupid shit and I saw online that Fox and Friends had Santa on as part of the whole "War on Christmas" part and I have to go look at the post but it seems to provide further proof that the people who do Fox's morning show are mentally challenged.
:: bangs head on desk ::
No, they are not mentally challenged -- they are master propagandists.
Comment by Raine on 12/20/2012 17:27:43
The head banging wasn't directed at you, Liv. It was at
F&F...
Raine on 12/20/2012 17:27:43
Quote by Raine:Quote by livingonli:
Good day, everybody. The right-wing just keeps saying more stupid shit and I saw online that Fox and Friends had Santa on as part of the whole "War on Christmas" part and I have to go look at the post but it seems to provide further proof that the people who do Fox's morning show are mentally challenged.
:: bangs head on desk ::
No, they are not mentally challenged -- they are master propagandists.
F&F...
Comment by Raine on 12/20/2012 17:29:27
Best Funeral Ever?
:::Bangs head on desk :::
Raine on 12/20/2012 17:29:27
Quote by Mondobubba:
Discovery give gun-themed shows a rest.Even TLC had the good taste to acknowledge that in light of the tragedy, it was postponing its pilot “Best Funeral Ever†until January, when it will air after a Honey Boo Boo special. And this represents the last time we are ever using the words “good taste,†“TLC†and “Honey Boo Boo†in the same sentence.
:::Bangs head on desk :::
Comment by wickedpam on 12/20/2012 17:31:38
Cause people by nature love to gossip.
wickedpam on 12/20/2012 17:31:38
Quote by Raine:
Why are so few people willing to go on record?
Cause people by nature love to gossip.
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/20/2012 17:37:41
You know I remember what TLC used to be like.
Mondobubba on 12/20/2012 17:37:41
Quote by Raine:Best Funeral Ever?Quote by Mondobubba:
Discovery give gun-themed shows a rest.Even TLC had the good taste to acknowledge that in light of the tragedy, it was postponing its pilot “Best Funeral Ever†until January, when it will air after a Honey Boo Boo special. And this represents the last time we are ever using the words “good taste,†“TLC†and “Honey Boo Boo†in the same sentence.
:::Bangs head on desk :::
You know I remember what TLC used to be like.
Comment by Raine on 12/20/2012 17:39:19
YEah. I can't say I'm innocent myself.
I'd like to think That media out -- journalists per say should be above this.
I know what to expect from D-listed, I don't want that from the places we turn to for information.
Raine on 12/20/2012 17:39:19
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
Why are so few people willing to go on record?
Cause people by nature love to gossip.
YEah. I can't say I'm innocent myself.
I'd like to think That media out -- journalists per say should be above this.
I know what to expect from D-listed, I don't want that from the places we turn to for information.
Comment by Raine on 12/20/2012 17:39:45
Me too.
Raine on 12/20/2012 17:39:45
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:Best Funeral Ever?Quote by Mondobubba:
Discovery give gun-themed shows a rest.Even TLC had the good taste to acknowledge that in light of the tragedy, it was postponing its pilot “Best Funeral Ever†until January, when it will air after a Honey Boo Boo special. And this represents the last time we are ever using the words “good taste,†“TLC†and “Honey Boo Boo†in the same sentence.
:::Bangs head on desk :::
You know I remember what TLC used to be like.
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/20/2012 17:41:46
Sad, isn't it? Even when they went from The Learning Channel to just TLC and all the soft focus baby programs and life style stuff it was still watchable, now not so much. I guess The Let's Laugh at Low-Rent Rednecks Channel doesn't sell well.
Mondobubba on 12/20/2012 17:41:46
Quote by Raine:Me too.Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:Best Funeral Ever?Quote by Mondobubba:
Discovery give gun-themed shows a rest.Even TLC had the good taste to acknowledge that in light of the tragedy, it was postponing its pilot “Best Funeral Ever†until January, when it will air after a Honey Boo Boo special. And this represents the last time we are ever using the words “good taste,†“TLC†and “Honey Boo Boo†in the same sentence.
:::Bangs head on desk :::
You know I remember what TLC used to be like.
Sad, isn't it? Even when they went from The Learning Channel to just TLC and all the soft focus baby programs and life style stuff it was still watchable, now not so much. I guess The Let's Laugh at Low-Rent Rednecks Channel doesn't sell well.
Comment by wickedpam on 12/20/2012 17:42:21
hey I freely admit that I love to gossip.
a lot of times there is truth in gossip, but it is a journalists job to find that truth and be able to back it up.
wickedpam on 12/20/2012 17:42:21
Quote by Raine:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
Why are so few people willing to go on record?
Cause people by nature love to gossip.
YEah. I can't say I'm innocent myself.
I'd like to think That media out -- journalists per say should be above this.
I know what to expect from D-listed, I don't want that from the places we turn to for information.
hey I freely admit that I love to gossip.
a lot of times there is truth in gossip, but it is a journalists job to find that truth and be able to back it up.
Comment by livingonli on 12/20/2012 17:43:43
livingonli on 12/20/2012 17:43:43
There are many reasons why TLC doesn't identify itself as The Learning Channel anymore just like why AMC no longer means American Movie Classics. So many channels are re-branding and shoving reality crap down our throat that they have so deviated from their original purpose. At least AMC's change went more towards the Mad Men, Breaking Bad, and Walking Dead type shows with only Kevin Smith's Comic Book Men being the current contribution to the reality genre.
Comment by livingonli on 12/20/2012 17:45:01
That's what they should change their name too.
livingonli on 12/20/2012 17:45:01
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:Me too.Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:Best Funeral Ever?Quote by Mondobubba:
Discovery give gun-themed shows a rest.Even TLC had the good taste to acknowledge that in light of the tragedy, it was postponing its pilot “Best Funeral Ever†until January, when it will air after a Honey Boo Boo special. And this represents the last time we are ever using the words “good taste,†“TLC†and “Honey Boo Boo†in the same sentence.
:::Bangs head on desk :::
You know I remember what TLC used to be like.
Sad, isn't it? Even when they went from The Learning Channel to just TLC and all the soft focus baby programs and life style stuff it was still watchable, now not so much. I guess The Let's Laugh at Low-Rent Rednecks Channel doesn't sell well.
That's what they should change their name too.
Comment by wickedpam on 12/20/2012 17:51:30
you know I've watch Comic Book Men on occasion, kinda funny show
wickedpam on 12/20/2012 17:51:30
Quote by livingonli:
There are many reasons why TLC doesn't identify itself as The Learning Channel anymore just like why AMC no longer means American Movie Classics. So many channels are re-branding and shoving reality crap down our throat that they have so deviated from their original purpose. At least AMC's change went more towards the Mad Men, Breaking Bad, and Walking Dead type shows with only Kevin Smith's Comic Book Men being the current contribution to the reality genre.
you know I've watch Comic Book Men on occasion, kinda funny show
Comment by TriSec on 12/20/2012 18:23:59
TriSec on 12/20/2012 18:23:59
Even the History Channel is getting in on the act.
Can't find a decent WWII documentary out there anymore. "Ice Road Truckers"? Motorcycle crap?
Yeah, call me back in 25 years when that might be "history", until then it's just more ass-tastic Teevee!
Can't find a decent WWII documentary out there anymore. "Ice Road Truckers"? Motorcycle crap?
Yeah, call me back in 25 years when that might be "history", until then it's just more ass-tastic Teevee!
Comment by livingonli on 12/20/2012 18:34:04
They've turned into the "Hoarders and Storage Bins" channel just like A&E stopped being the Arts & Entertainment Network and they're almost in the same genre as its sister network.
livingonli on 12/20/2012 18:34:04
Quote by TriSec:
Even the History Channel is getting in on the act.
Can't find a decent WWII documentary out there anymore. "Ice Road Truckers"? Motorcycle crap?
Yeah, call me back in 25 years when that might be "history", until then it's just more ass-tastic Teevee!
They've turned into the "Hoarders and Storage Bins" channel just like A&E stopped being the Arts & Entertainment Network and they're almost in the same genre as its sister network.
Comment by wickedpam on 12/20/2012 18:54:20
hey, as crappy as it is I enjoy me some Storage Wars, but Hoarders makes me cry, I can't watch it.
wickedpam on 12/20/2012 18:54:20
Quote by livingonli:Quote by TriSec:
Even the History Channel is getting in on the act.
Can't find a decent WWII documentary out there anymore. "Ice Road Truckers"? Motorcycle crap?
Yeah, call me back in 25 years when that might be "history", until then it's just more ass-tastic Teevee!
They've turned into the "Hoarders and Storage Bins" channel just like A&E stopped being the Arts & Entertainment Network and they're almost in the same genre as its sister network.
hey, as crappy as it is I enjoy me some Storage Wars, but Hoarders makes me cry, I can't watch it.
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/20/2012 18:59:34
That is what H2 is for.
Mondobubba on 12/20/2012 18:59:34
Quote by TriSec:
Even the History Channel is getting in on the act.
Can't find a decent WWII documentary out there anymore. "Ice Road Truckers"? Motorcycle crap?
Yeah, call me back in 25 years when that might be "history", until then it's just more ass-tastic Teevee!
That is what H2 is for.
Comment by TriSec on 12/20/2012 19:00:15
TriSec on 12/20/2012 19:00:15
I watch one show on A & E - First 48. But essentially a true-crime drama?
Arts - no.
Entertainment - well, I guess so.
Meh.
Arts - no.
Entertainment - well, I guess so.
Meh.
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/20/2012 19:00:45
It doesn't have the same smarmy, let's laugh at the losers vibe that so many other of the reality shows have.
Mondobubba on 12/20/2012 19:00:45
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by livingonli:
There are many reasons why TLC doesn't identify itself as The Learning Channel anymore just like why AMC no longer means American Movie Classics. So many channels are re-branding and shoving reality crap down our throat that they have so deviated from their original purpose. At least AMC's change went more towards the Mad Men, Breaking Bad, and Walking Dead type shows with only Kevin Smith's Comic Book Men being the current contribution to the reality genre.
you know I've watch Comic Book Men on occasion, kinda funny show
It doesn't have the same smarmy, let's laugh at the losers vibe that so many other of the reality shows have.
Comment by TriSec on 12/20/2012 19:01:44
Bah. This stuff used to be on Discovery with Eric Severeid. And I do miss my old "Wings" show.
TriSec on 12/20/2012 19:01:44
Quote by Mondobubba:
That is what H2 is for.
Bah. This stuff used to be on Discovery with Eric Severeid. And I do miss my old "Wings" show.
Comment by wickedpam on 12/20/2012 19:05:32
aren't all the paranormal shows on H2?
wickedpam on 12/20/2012 19:05:32
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by TriSec:
Even the History Channel is getting in on the act.
Can't find a decent WWII documentary out there anymore. "Ice Road Truckers"? Motorcycle crap?
Yeah, call me back in 25 years when that might be "history", until then it's just more ass-tastic Teevee!
That is what H2 is for.
aren't all the paranormal shows on H2?
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/20/2012 19:11:59
I dunno, maybe.
Don't get me started on the sad state of the SyFy channel.
Mondobubba on 12/20/2012 19:11:59
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by TriSec:
Even the History Channel is getting in on the act.
Can't find a decent WWII documentary out there anymore. "Ice Road Truckers"? Motorcycle crap?
Yeah, call me back in 25 years when that might be "history", until then it's just more ass-tastic Teevee!
That is what H2 is for.
aren't all the paranormal shows on H2?
I dunno, maybe.
Don't get me started on the sad state of the SyFy channel.
Comment by Raine on 12/20/2012 19:12:53
Raine on 12/20/2012 19:12:53
One of the best channels we have is the Smithsonian Channel.
Comment by wickedpam on 12/20/2012 19:16:58
watched the 20 Anniversary special - made me miss Farscape all over again
I do enjoy a lot of the shows on syfy (Haven & Warehouse 13 esp) but I still do not understand why they have wrestling on that channel. unless its a nod to the fiction side of the programming
wickedpam on 12/20/2012 19:16:58
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by TriSec:
Even the History Channel is getting in on the act.
Can't find a decent WWII documentary out there anymore. "Ice Road Truckers"? Motorcycle crap?
Yeah, call me back in 25 years when that might be "history", until then it's just more ass-tastic Teevee!
That is what H2 is for.
aren't all the paranormal shows on H2?
I dunno, maybe.
Don't get me started on the sad state of the SyFy channel.
watched the 20 Anniversary special - made me miss Farscape all over again
I do enjoy a lot of the shows on syfy (Haven & Warehouse 13 esp) but I still do not understand why they have wrestling on that channel. unless its a nod to the fiction side of the programming
Comment by wickedpam on 12/20/2012 19:17:35
gosh, I don't know if we have that channel - I'll have to check it out
wickedpam on 12/20/2012 19:17:35
Quote by Raine:
One of the best channels we have is the Smithsonian Channel.
gosh, I don't know if we have that channel - I'll have to check it out
Comment by Will in Chicago on 12/20/2012 19:19:02
Will in Chicago on 12/20/2012 19:19:02
I know listen to talk radio more than watch TV -- most of it is boring, derivative or mindless fare. I can't watch most comedies any more
I do think that the reality TV genre -- a very cheap to produce genre -- has ruined a lot of TV. Why spend money on research, writing or actors when you can just let the cameras roll?
I do think that the reality TV genre -- a very cheap to produce genre -- has ruined a lot of TV. Why spend money on research, writing or actors when you can just let the cameras roll?
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/20/2012 19:19:23
Wresting is cheap and turns a 'uge profit.
Mondobubba on 12/20/2012 19:19:23
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by TriSec:
Even the History Channel is getting in on the act.
Can't find a decent WWII documentary out there anymore. "Ice Road Truckers"? Motorcycle crap?
Yeah, call me back in 25 years when that might be "history", until then it's just more ass-tastic Teevee!
That is what H2 is for.
aren't all the paranormal shows on H2?
I dunno, maybe.
Don't get me started on the sad state of the SyFy channel.
watched the 20 Anniversary special - made me miss Farscape all over again
I do enjoy a lot of the shows on syfy (Haven & Warehouse 13 esp) but I still do not understand why they have wrestling on that channel. unless its a nod to the fiction side of the programming
Wresting is cheap and turns a 'uge profit.
Comment by livingonli on 12/20/2012 19:22:03
Dish dropped the channel in 2009 because 'ol Charlie is a cheap bastard. On DirecTV, it's in HD extra. I guess Dish may end up bringing it back when CBS re-transmission consent is up for renewal since it's been getting tied to CBS re-transmission consent renewals along with CBS Sports Network.
livingonli on 12/20/2012 19:22:03
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
One of the best channels we have is the Smithsonian Channel.
gosh, I don't know if we have that channel - I'll have to check it out
Dish dropped the channel in 2009 because 'ol Charlie is a cheap bastard. On DirecTV, it's in HD extra. I guess Dish may end up bringing it back when CBS re-transmission consent is up for renewal since it's been getting tied to CBS re-transmission consent renewals along with CBS Sports Network.
Comment by Scoopster on 12/20/2012 19:26:43
Oh gawd this is so true.. I mean there's a couple okay shows, but damnit over Thanksgiving I was exposed to some of the crrrrap that the rest of my family watches and the bad acting and the stoopid were so strong it scared the shit outta me.
Scoopster on 12/20/2012 19:26:43
Quote by Will in Chicago:
I know listen to talk radio more than watch TV -- most of it is boring, derivative or mindless fare. I can't watch most comedies any more
Oh gawd this is so true.. I mean there's a couple okay shows, but damnit over Thanksgiving I was exposed to some of the crrrrap that the rest of my family watches and the bad acting and the stoopid were so strong it scared the shit outta me.
Comment by livingonli on 12/20/2012 19:32:42
livingonli on 12/20/2012 19:32:42
These days I am starting to think there are too many channels so it's just diluting us with more crap. It seems like there was more to choose from back when cable was only 36 channels or even when I was a kid in the 70's and all I had was channels 2, 4, 5, 7, 9, 11, and 13.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 12/20/2012 19:33:11
I saw better actors in community theater and high school theaters. Of course, some of the material these days is so dreadful I doubt that Sir Laurence Olivier could do anything with it.
Will in Chicago on 12/20/2012 19:33:11
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Will in Chicago:
I know listen to talk radio more than watch TV -- most of it is boring, derivative or mindless fare. I can't watch most comedies any more
Oh gawd this is so true.. I mean there's a couple okay shows, but damnit over Thanksgiving I was exposed to some of the crrrrap that the rest of my family watches and the bad acting and the stoopid were so strong it scared the shit outta me.
I saw better actors in community theater and high school theaters. Of course, some of the material these days is so dreadful I doubt that Sir Laurence Olivier could do anything with it.
Comment by wickedpam on 12/20/2012 19:39:32
good to know
wickedpam on 12/20/2012 19:39:32
Quote by livingonli:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
One of the best channels we have is the Smithsonian Channel.
gosh, I don't know if we have that channel - I'll have to check it out
Dish dropped the channel in 2009 because 'ol Charlie is a cheap bastard. On DirecTV, it's in HD extra. I guess Dish may end up bringing it back when CBS re-transmission consent is up for renewal since it's been getting tied to CBS re-transmission consent renewals along with CBS Sports Network.
good to know
Comment by Raine on 12/20/2012 19:40:45
Raine on 12/20/2012 19:40:45
We all sound like grumpy old people today... 
Comment by TriSec on 12/20/2012 19:41:02
TriSec on 12/20/2012 19:41:02
Aaaand Mrs. TriSec spends far too much time with LMN.
TONIGHT! "My dad slept with my cheerleader friends and then murdered MOM and now he's stalking me for incestuous underage sex!!!!"
I swear, that's all they show on that waste of electrons.
TONIGHT! "My dad slept with my cheerleader friends and then murdered MOM and now he's stalking me for incestuous underage sex!!!!"
I swear, that's all they show on that waste of electrons.
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/20/2012 19:46:24
Did you know there is a LMN cult. There are people who watch them because they are generally awful.
Mondobubba on 12/20/2012 19:46:24
Quote by TriSec:
Aaaand Mrs. TriSec spends far too much time with LMN.
TONIGHT! "My dad slept with my cheerleader friends and then murdered MOM and now he's stalking me for incestuous underage sex!!!!"
I swear, that's all they show on that waste of electrons.
Did you know there is a LMN cult. There are people who watch them because they are generally awful.
Comment by TriSec on 12/20/2012 19:46:36
In my day, we didn't have remote controls! We had to get up and turn a dial on the teevee! And it was black and white, too! And we liked it! We loved it!
(shakes fist at a cloud) Get outta my sky!
TriSec on 12/20/2012 19:46:36
Quote by Raine:
We all sound like grumpy old people today...
In my day, we didn't have remote controls! We had to get up and turn a dial on the teevee! And it was black and white, too! And we liked it! We loved it!
(shakes fist at a cloud) Get outta my sky!
Comment by Scoopster on 12/20/2012 19:48:21
Trust me.. even a grade schooler could recognize how fucking terrible the acting is on "Two Broke Girls"!
Scoopster on 12/20/2012 19:48:21
Quote by Raine:
We all sound like grumpy old people today...
Trust me.. even a grade schooler could recognize how fucking terrible the acting is on "Two Broke Girls"!
Comment by TriSec on 12/20/2012 19:48:25
<-- TriSec
Mondo Wins.
TriSec on 12/20/2012 19:48:25
Quote by Mondobubba:
Did you know there is a LMN cult. There are people who watch them because they are generally awful.
<-- TriSecMondo Wins.
Comment by livingonli on 12/20/2012 19:52:07
I didn't have a TV in my room until I was 11 so it was the downstairs TV (which was color), my Mom's TV which went into my room when I got sick, and my older brother had a black and white TV. It was when I finally got my own TV when I discovered the weirdness of UHF (which in New York was pretty much PBS and Spanish in those days), but I did discovered what I could pick up when the weather was right on those summer nights when I could scan from Boston to Norfolk depending on weather conditions.
livingonli on 12/20/2012 19:52:07
Quote by TriSec:Quote by Raine:
We all sound like grumpy old people today...
In my day, we didn't have remote controls! We had to get up and turn a dial on the teevee! And it was black and white, too! And we liked it! We loved it!
(shakes fist at a cloud) Get outta my sky!
I didn't have a TV in my room until I was 11 so it was the downstairs TV (which was color), my Mom's TV which went into my room when I got sick, and my older brother had a black and white TV. It was when I finally got my own TV when I discovered the weirdness of UHF (which in New York was pretty much PBS and Spanish in those days), but I did discovered what I could pick up when the weather was right on those summer nights when I could scan from Boston to Norfolk depending on weather conditions.
Comment by livingonli on 12/20/2012 19:53:46
livingonli on 12/20/2012 19:53:46
Right now I am watching The Stream on Al-Jazeera English and they are doing a whole thing on the Mayan Apocalypse theory and how people think about it.
Comment by livingonli on 12/20/2012 19:58:13
livingonli on 12/20/2012 19:58:13
Lizz will be busy tomorrow since she's filling in for Alex Bennett on SiriusXM from 7-10AM . Then she will be on Now with Alex Wagner and then is doing the last two hours of the Ed Schultz radio show.
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/20/2012 20:06:20
The worst show on CBS with is saying something since their pickings are pretty fucking slim. I mean it is worse that "2.5 Men."
Mondobubba on 12/20/2012 20:06:20
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Raine:
We all sound like grumpy old people today...
Trust me.. even a grade schooler could recognize how fucking terrible the acting is on "Two Broke Girls"!
The worst show on CBS with is saying something since their pickings are pretty fucking slim. I mean it is worse that "2.5 Men."
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/20/2012 20:06:54
BroMo is cult member
Mondobubba on 12/20/2012 20:06:54
Quote by TriSec:Quote by Mondobubba:
Did you know there is a LMN cult. There are people who watch them because they are generally awful.
Mondo Wins.
BroMo is cult member
Comment by Will in Chicago on 12/20/2012 20:08:25
I am not familiar with LMN. I guess that I should be grateful?
Will in Chicago on 12/20/2012 20:08:25
Quote by TriSec:
Aaaand Mrs. TriSec spends far too much time with LMN.
TONIGHT! "My dad slept with my cheerleader friends and then murdered MOM and now he's stalking me for incestuous underage sex!!!!"
I swear, that's all they show on that waste of electrons.
I am not familiar with LMN. I guess that I should be grateful?
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/20/2012 20:13:27
Lifetime Movies for Women channel. All the Lifetime Movies that are on Lifetime find a home ON LMN.
Mondobubba on 12/20/2012 20:13:27
Quote by Will in Chicago:Quote by TriSec:
Aaaand Mrs. TriSec spends far too much time with LMN.
TONIGHT! "My dad slept with my cheerleader friends and then murdered MOM and now he's stalking me for incestuous underage sex!!!!"
I swear, that's all they show on that waste of electrons.
I am not familiar with LMN. I guess that I should be grateful?
Lifetime Movies for Women channel. All the Lifetime Movies that are on Lifetime find a home ON LMN.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 12/20/2012 20:28:43
Hmm, if we do find a way to make warp drive work, can we aim the content at the nearest black hole?
Will in Chicago on 12/20/2012 20:28:43
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Will in Chicago:Quote by TriSec:
Aaaand Mrs. TriSec spends far too much time with LMN.
TONIGHT! "My dad slept with my cheerleader friends and then murdered MOM and now he's stalking me for incestuous underage sex!!!!"
I swear, that's all they show on that waste of electrons.
I am not familiar with LMN. I guess that I should be grateful?
Lifetime Movies for Women channel. All the Lifetime Movies that are on Lifetime find a home ON LMN.
Hmm, if we do find a way to make warp drive work, can we aim the content at the nearest black hole?
Comment by wickedpam on 12/20/2012 20:40:58
wickedpam on 12/20/2012 20:40:58
Comment by Raine on 12/20/2012 20:52:05
Raine on 12/20/2012 20:52:05
Mosque arsonist tells court: ‘I only know what I hear on Fox News’
Just another bad apple... move along, nothing to see.
Just another bad apple... move along, nothing to see.
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/20/2012 20:58:26
Mondobubba on 12/20/2012 20:58:26
Comment by TriSec on 12/20/2012 21:10:33
TriSec on 12/20/2012 21:10:33
Av-Dork alert!
Now, a first-of-its-kind pilot program at Logan will give workers on the ground and in the control tower a clear, real-time picture of the busy airfield -- spotting trouble before it happens.
So far, 28 vehicles. including snowplows, maintenance trucks and fire-rescue are equipped with next-generation transponders.
That number is expected to increase to 70 next year. An iPad display in those vehicles allows the driver on the ground to see what the air traffic controllers can see from above.
"The traditional system is a radar-based system, analog, kind of like World War II technology," said Flavio Leo, Deputy Director of Aviation Planning and Strategy at Massport. "This is a GPS-based system so it's satellite-based."
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/20/2012 21:12:54
Mondobubba on 12/20/2012 21:12:54
Excuse me while I pound my head on the desk until I am concussed and bloodied.
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/20/2012 21:37:58
Mondobubba on 12/20/2012 21:37:58
Tri. a co-worker has a BSA Handbook, the 1964 edition on his desk. Please tell me that the Handbook has gotten some significant upgrades! The colors in the 64 one are just awful. 
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/20/2012 21:40:16
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Mala, you know you want this shirt. Too bad you can't have it. It was available for one day. I have one. :smug superiority:
Mondobubba on 12/20/2012 21:40:16
Mala, you know you want this shirt. Too bad you can't have it. It was available for one day. I have one. :smug superiority:
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/20/2012 21:42:28
Mondobubba on 12/20/2012 21:42:28
I love that as a category, ThinkGeek lists Zombies and Bacon together.
Comment by wickedpam on 12/20/2012 22:05:03
I'm sure it will come around again in some form - generally, I don't do a lot of t-shirts.
wickedpam on 12/20/2012 22:05:03
Quote by Mondobubba:
Mala, you know you want this shirt. Too bad you can't have it. It was available for one day. I have one. :smug superiority:
I'm sure it will come around again in some form - generally, I don't do a lot of t-shirts.
Comment by wickedpam on 12/20/2012 22:07:15
they have River Song's Journal! Want!
wickedpam on 12/20/2012 22:07:15
Quote by Mondobubba:
I love that as a category, ThinkGeek lists Zombies and Bacon together.
they have River Song's Journal! Want!
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/20/2012 22:24:50
They also have Jayne's hat. That is too easy. You get a fellow geek to knit you one or knit it yourself.
Mondobubba on 12/20/2012 22:24:50
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:
Mala, you know you want this shirt. Too bad you can't have it. It was available for one day. I have one. :smug superiority:
They also have Jayne's hat. That is too easy. You get a fellow geek to knit you one or knit it yourself.
Comment by wickedpam on 12/20/2012 22:26:05
yeah, I can make Jayne's hat on my knitting loom
wickedpam on 12/20/2012 22:26:05
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:
Mala, you know you want this shirt. Too bad you can't have it. It was available for one day. I have one. :smug superiority:
They also have Jayne's hat. That is too easy. You get a fellow geek to knit you one or knit it yourself.
yeah, I can make Jayne's hat on my knitting loom
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/20/2012 22:26:08
A Cthulu ski mask. Yes, a friend of mine is knitting one for me.
Mondobubba on 12/20/2012 22:26:08
A Cthulu ski mask. Yes, a friend of mine is knitting one for me.
Comment by Raine on 12/20/2012 22:27:38
I'm gonna step in here -- as a former production professional and designer: 1964 had a much different printing process than later years. That has little to do with the scouts except for maybe the cost of printing -- which was significantly higher then.
Raine on 12/20/2012 22:27:38
Quote by Mondobubba:
Tri. a co-worker has a BSA Handbook, the 1964 edition on his desk. Please tell me that the Handbook has gotten some significant upgrades! The colors in the 64 one are just awful.
I'm gonna step in here -- as a former production professional and designer: 1964 had a much different printing process than later years. That has little to do with the scouts except for maybe the cost of printing -- which was significantly higher then.
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/20/2012 22:31:06
I can groove on that. Thankee designer and production professional.
Mondobubba on 12/20/2012 22:31:06
Quote by Raine:Quote by Mondobubba:
Tri. a co-worker has a BSA Handbook, the 1964 edition on his desk. Please tell me that the Handbook has gotten some significant upgrades! The colors in the 64 one are just awful.
I'm gonna step in here -- as a former production professional and designer: 1964 had a much different printing process than later years. That has little to do with the scouts except for maybe the cost of printing -- which was significantly higher then.
I can groove on that. Thankee designer and production professional.
Comment by 
clintster on 12/20/2012 23:44:28
clintster on 12/20/2012 23:44:28
Finally got the Blogger Joe present in the mail, which was a good thing seeing as we have a winter storm watch through tomorrow.
I also foudna package from Massachusetts waiting for me when I got home.
I also foudna package from Massachusetts waiting for me when I got home.
Comment by Raine on 12/21/2012 02:01:14
Raine on 12/21/2012 02:01:14
BobR received a Blogger Joe package.
We will take it with us to Atlanta.
We will take it with us to Atlanta.
Comment by Raine on 12/21/2012 04:53:09
Raine on 12/21/2012 04:53:09