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What's the Matter with Arizona?
Author: BobR
Date: 05/02/2013 12:08:15
Almost a decade ago, author Thomas Frank wrote "What's the Matter With Kansas?". It described how a formerly populist-democratic state in the midwest slid into a conservative backwater. Using emotional social issues, voters were turned away from "elitist" liberals and voted against their own economic interests. That has happened time and again in southern and midwestern states.
Arizona is another one of those states. From its inception until the late 1940s, it was primarily a Democratic state. Since then, however, the only time the state voted for a Democratic president was in 1996 (Bill Clinton). Unlike Kansas, however, they have become known for their extreme conservative state laws that induce incredulous jaw-dropping gapes every time, with the outside observer certain that this was the furthest they could possibly go.
Arizona is the state that gave us Sheriff Joe Arpaio, who has been on the wrong side of federal law numerous times, and went to Hawaii to "get to the bottom" of the Barack Obama birth certificate controversy. His incidents of misuse of office are legion, to the point one wonders when he himself will see the inside of a jail cell. And yet - the people of the state keep re-electing him.
Arizona really got the rest of the country to sit up and take notice with their infamous immigration bill of 2010. That was the bill where they decided to usurp federal jurisdiction, and to create a "your papers please" Nazi Germany-style environment. The SCOTUS struck down most of the law, but Arizona's reputation as a land of lunatics had been sealed.
Part of that is because of governor Jan Brewer, who looks like she eats puppies for breakfast. Here she is engaging in "polite" conversation with the President of the United States:
However, two recent bills have shown just how reactionary the state legislature can be. In a response to the lukewarm effort to reign in gun violence with tepid background check laws, the state has decided to give a big middle finger to the rest of the country. They have passed a law requiring guns that the state receives at "gun buy-back" events to be resold to gun dealers and NOT destroyed. Because you see: every time a gun is destroyed, one of the devil's minions cries, and we can't have that. The state is assuring that guns that were taken out of circulation are being put right back into circulation. Who thinks this makes any sense at all? The state ends up with a zero sum balance monetarily, and a zero sum balance on the guns. Might as well just direct the gun shops to hold the gun buy backs and eliminate the middle man. I don't think, though, that that is what the people turning in the guns want. If I lived in Arizona and had a gun I didn't want and didn't want to fall into the wrong hands, I would just destroy it myself. Considering that the state has some of the weakest gun laws in the country (it's the shopping center for Mexican drug lords), turning in your gun to the state provides essentially zero assurance it won't be used for a crime.
Another bill heading for Brewer's desk to sign officially makes gold and silver legal tender in the state. Yes, because you never know when that sawbuck in your pocket is going to suddenly be worthless. Because when you buy something, you never know if a dollar is really worth a dollar. There has to be some rationale behind this, but I can't figure out what it is. Is it just a big "fuck you" to the federal government? Is it because people think that if they can buy and sell things without using U.S. tender, they aren't violating certain laws they otherwise would? Are they in love with some romantic notion of their wild west gold rush roots?
I am certain there are good, sane people in Arizona. I am sure there are lovely parts of the state where life is lived in the 21st century. Perhaps the voting districts have been gerrymandered to the point where the Republicans will always win, and where their frat house "hey - watch this!" approach to outdoing each other with increasingly bizarre legislation will continue to be the norm. Maybe it's the desert heat frying their brain pans, but I just have to ask:
What's the Matter with Arizona?
Arizona is another one of those states. From its inception until the late 1940s, it was primarily a Democratic state. Since then, however, the only time the state voted for a Democratic president was in 1996 (Bill Clinton). Unlike Kansas, however, they have become known for their extreme conservative state laws that induce incredulous jaw-dropping gapes every time, with the outside observer certain that this was the furthest they could possibly go.
Arizona is the state that gave us Sheriff Joe Arpaio, who has been on the wrong side of federal law numerous times, and went to Hawaii to "get to the bottom" of the Barack Obama birth certificate controversy. His incidents of misuse of office are legion, to the point one wonders when he himself will see the inside of a jail cell. And yet - the people of the state keep re-electing him.
Arizona really got the rest of the country to sit up and take notice with their infamous immigration bill of 2010. That was the bill where they decided to usurp federal jurisdiction, and to create a "your papers please" Nazi Germany-style environment. The SCOTUS struck down most of the law, but Arizona's reputation as a land of lunatics had been sealed.
Part of that is because of governor Jan Brewer, who looks like she eats puppies for breakfast. Here she is engaging in "polite" conversation with the President of the United States:
However, two recent bills have shown just how reactionary the state legislature can be. In a response to the lukewarm effort to reign in gun violence with tepid background check laws, the state has decided to give a big middle finger to the rest of the country. They have passed a law requiring guns that the state receives at "gun buy-back" events to be resold to gun dealers and NOT destroyed. Because you see: every time a gun is destroyed, one of the devil's minions cries, and we can't have that. The state is assuring that guns that were taken out of circulation are being put right back into circulation. Who thinks this makes any sense at all? The state ends up with a zero sum balance monetarily, and a zero sum balance on the guns. Might as well just direct the gun shops to hold the gun buy backs and eliminate the middle man. I don't think, though, that that is what the people turning in the guns want. If I lived in Arizona and had a gun I didn't want and didn't want to fall into the wrong hands, I would just destroy it myself. Considering that the state has some of the weakest gun laws in the country (it's the shopping center for Mexican drug lords), turning in your gun to the state provides essentially zero assurance it won't be used for a crime.
Another bill heading for Brewer's desk to sign officially makes gold and silver legal tender in the state. Yes, because you never know when that sawbuck in your pocket is going to suddenly be worthless. Because when you buy something, you never know if a dollar is really worth a dollar. There has to be some rationale behind this, but I can't figure out what it is. Is it just a big "fuck you" to the federal government? Is it because people think that if they can buy and sell things without using U.S. tender, they aren't violating certain laws they otherwise would? Are they in love with some romantic notion of their wild west gold rush roots?
I am certain there are good, sane people in Arizona. I am sure there are lovely parts of the state where life is lived in the 21st century. Perhaps the voting districts have been gerrymandered to the point where the Republicans will always win, and where their frat house "hey - watch this!" approach to outdoing each other with increasingly bizarre legislation will continue to be the norm. Maybe it's the desert heat frying their brain pans, but I just have to ask:
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Comment by 
wickedpam on 05/02/2013 12:58:42
wickedpam on 05/02/2013 12:58:42
Morning 
what is it about crazy people and wanting to basically make their own state money?
what is it about crazy people and wanting to basically make their own state money?
Comment by wickedpam on 05/02/2013 13:26:12
wickedpam on 05/02/2013 13:26:12
Its frickin' freezing in my office this morning !!!!!!!!!
Comment by 
Raine on 05/02/2013 13:28:15
good morning!
Oh, Arizona....
Raine on 05/02/2013 13:28:15
good morning! Oh, Arizona....
Comment by Raine on 05/02/2013 13:28:56
good morning!
Oh, Arizona....
Raine on 05/02/2013 13:28:56
good morning! Oh, Arizona....
Comment by wickedpam on 05/02/2013 13:30:11
wickedpam on 05/02/2013 13:30:11
idiot 
Comment by wickedpam on 05/02/2013 13:32:37
technically not zombies but I see where you were going with that
ya how freaky is that - please tell me that all the livestock was gone before they resorted to that
wickedpam on 05/02/2013 13:32:37
Quote by Raine:
Zombies in Jamestown....
technically not zombies but I see where you were going with that
ya how freaky is that - please tell me that all the livestock was gone before they resorted to that
Comment by Raine on 05/02/2013 13:35:58
I came in on the latter part of the hot mess of a caller.
Raine on 05/02/2013 13:35:58
Quote by wickedpam:
idiot
Comment by Raine on 05/02/2013 13:46:04
I love this caller!
Raine on 05/02/2013 13:46:04
I love this caller!
Comment by wickedpam on 05/02/2013 13:46:23
too much Kool-Aid out there
wickedpam on 05/02/2013 13:46:23
Quote by Raine:I came in on the latter part of the hot mess of a caller.Quote by wickedpam:
idiot
too much Kool-Aid out there
Comment by Raine on 05/02/2013 14:06:20
Seriously -- a f*cking idiot.
Pompous arrogant smug douchnozzle.
Raine on 05/02/2013 14:06:20
Quote by Raine:
Howard Kurtz is an idiot.
Seriously -- a f*cking idiot.
Pompous arrogant smug douchnozzle.
Comment by wickedpam on 05/02/2013 14:10:03
wickedpam on 05/02/2013 14:10:03
They have just now have Snakeheads in NY?
Comment by wickedpam on 05/02/2013 14:12:31
wickedpam on 05/02/2013 14:12:31
how about making it illegal for 5 year olds to own guns!!!!!
Comment by Raine on 05/02/2013 14:14:02
That sorta sucks...
Raine on 05/02/2013 14:14:02
Quote by wickedpam:
They have just now have Snakeheads in NY?
That sorta sucks...
Comment by Raine on 05/02/2013 14:14:21
Silly, that makes too much sense.
Raine on 05/02/2013 14:14:21
Quote by wickedpam:
how about making it illegal for 5 year olds to own guns!!!!!
Comment by wickedpam on 05/02/2013 14:24:28
crazy, I know
wickedpam on 05/02/2013 14:24:28
Quote by Raine:Silly, that makes too much sense.Quote by wickedpam:
how about making it illegal for 5 year olds to own guns!!!!!
crazy, I know
Comment by Raine on 05/02/2013 14:35:15
Raine on 05/02/2013 14:35:15
Comment by 
Scoopster on 05/02/2013 14:40:24
Scoopster on 05/02/2013 14:40:24
Mornin' all.. 
Woo I got the keys to the new Casa di sc00p! So excited!
Woo I got the keys to the new Casa di sc00p! So excited!
Comment by wickedpam on 05/02/2013 14:47:18
Yay! That was fast!
wickedpam on 05/02/2013 14:47:18
Quote by Scoopster:
Mornin' all..
Yay! That was fast!
Comment by wickedpam on 05/02/2013 15:08:08
I see a boom in the wedding planning industry on the horizon.
wickedpam on 05/02/2013 15:08:08
Quote by Raine:SCOOP!
Rhode Island is NUMBER 10!
I see a boom in the wedding planning industry on the horizon.
Comment by 
BobR on 05/02/2013 15:16:13
That's right Dubya - other countries are not buying your bullshit. Actions have consequences, and your previous position can't protect you any longer.
BobR on 05/02/2013 15:16:13
Quote by Raine:
OOpsy... No Europe trip for Bush...
That's right Dubya - other countries are not buying your bullshit. Actions have consequences, and your previous position can't protect you any longer.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 05/02/2013 15:19:57
Will in Chicago on 05/02/2013 15:19:57
BobR, thanks for a great blog.
Having lived in Arizona for a little over a year, I can offer some perspective.
There are fairly liberal parts of the Phoenix area and Tucson is supposed to be even more liberal. However, a few friends point out the fact that there are so many retirees living full or part-time in the state that it impacts the politics of a state with a lot of rural areas.
Add in gerrymandering and a Democratic Party that is very disorganized, and Arizona has huge problems. Education is underfunded. I tried hard to get work there, but former teachers went streaming back to their old districts when the recession hit.
Demographic change will likely cause a lot of problems for Republicans. Joe Arpaio and politicians of his ilk will not last forever.
Having lived in Arizona for a little over a year, I can offer some perspective.
There are fairly liberal parts of the Phoenix area and Tucson is supposed to be even more liberal. However, a few friends point out the fact that there are so many retirees living full or part-time in the state that it impacts the politics of a state with a lot of rural areas.
Add in gerrymandering and a Democratic Party that is very disorganized, and Arizona has huge problems. Education is underfunded. I tried hard to get work there, but former teachers went streaming back to their old districts when the recession hit.
Demographic change will likely cause a lot of problems for Republicans. Joe Arpaio and politicians of his ilk will not last forever.
Comment by Raine on 05/02/2013 15:24:22
Raine on 05/02/2013 15:24:22
I hope Mondo shows up... I worry about that feller...
Comment by Raine on 05/02/2013 15:28:04
Raine on 05/02/2013 15:28:04
Really...
Young black men in New York City—every single one of whom, statistically speaking, was stopped and frisked in 2011—will be pleased to learn that they, and the African-American population as a whole, is actually "understopped," by NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly's tally.
Comment by wickedpam on 05/02/2013 15:31:16
me too
wickedpam on 05/02/2013 15:31:16
Quote by Raine:
I hope Mondo shows up... I worry about that feller...
me too
Comment by Raine on 05/02/2013 15:46:33
Raine on 05/02/2013 15:46:33
Comment by wickedpam on 05/02/2013 15:51:58
so much to teaching about sensitivity and empathy
wickedpam on 05/02/2013 15:51:58
Quote by Raine:Oh I am pissed now.Quote by Raine:
Well -- there it is -- My Nieces school made Jezebel...
so much to teaching about sensitivity and empathy
Comment by Raine on 05/02/2013 15:53:45
I knew this would end up on Fox. I knew it.
and I can tell you I've already found the origins of how and why this happened.
btw -- the bardies are a lot of things, idiots they are not.
Raine on 05/02/2013 15:53:45
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:Oh I am pissed now.Quote by Raine:
Well -- there it is -- My Nieces school made Jezebel...
so much to teaching about sensitivity and empathy
and I can tell you I've already found the origins of how and why this happened.
btw -- the bardies are a lot of things, idiots they are not.
Comment by Scoopster on 05/02/2013 16:00:13
Scoopster on 05/02/2013 16:00:13
Damnit.. my fucking/back/should/something is hurtin' like a muthafucka.. and muscle spasms too.
Took 4 naproxen so far.. that cut the pain in half for a little while but now it's starting to get really bad again.
Took 4 naproxen so far.. that cut the pain in half for a little while but now it's starting to get really bad again.
Comment by Raine on 05/02/2013 16:00:16
Raine on 05/02/2013 16:00:16
Mondo had been spotted! I repeat he has been spotted!
Comment by wickedpam on 05/02/2013 16:08:38
why did I just hear Marlin Perkins say this in my head?
wickedpam on 05/02/2013 16:08:38
Quote by Raine:
Mondo had been spotted! I repeat he has been spotted!
why did I just hear Marlin Perkins say this in my head?
Comment by Raine on 05/02/2013 16:21:42
Raine on 05/02/2013 16:21:42
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
Mondo had been spotted! I repeat he has been spotted!
why did I just hear Marlin Perkins say this in my head?
Comment by 
Mondobubba on 05/02/2013 16:48:31
Mondobubba on 05/02/2013 16:48:31
Mondo took the day off. He feels he might have been a bit premature in going back to work on Tuesdee. When Mondo got up this morning at 7, his legs were a bit wobbly. So, Mondo went back to be for a few hours after calling work and saying not going to be there. Mondo is better now.
Comment by Mondobubba on 05/02/2013 16:52:01
Mondobubba on 05/02/2013 16:52:01
The biggest problem with Arizona is Maricopa County. The way state senators and representatives are determined in Arizona is based on population; Maricopa County has the lion's share of the state's population, it also has a majority of the crazy. This is why Arizona is the way it is currently.
Comment by Mondobubba on 05/02/2013 16:52:41
Scoop, DON"T TAKE MORE THAN THE RECOMMENDED DOSAGE!
Mondobubba on 05/02/2013 16:52:41
Quote by Scoopster:
Damnit.. my fucking/back/should/something is hurtin' like a muthafucka.. and muscle spasms too.
Took 4 naproxen so far.. that cut the pain in half for a little while but now it's starting to get really bad again.
Scoop, DON"T TAKE MORE THAN THE RECOMMENDED DOSAGE!
Comment by wickedpam on 05/02/2013 17:06:26
wickedpam on 05/02/2013 17:06:26
okay, I never realized how easy it was to make your own essential oils and extracts - gonna save a bunch of money
Comment by Scoopster on 05/02/2013 17:08:32
If I knew what the recommended dosage for DOUBLED OVER IN PAIN FROM SEVERE BACK SPASM was, I assure you I would stick to it!
Scoopster on 05/02/2013 17:08:32
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Scoopster:
Damnit.. my fucking/back/should/something is hurtin' like a muthafucka.. and muscle spasms too.
Took 4 naproxen so far.. that cut the pain in half for a little while but now it's starting to get really bad again.
Scoop, DON"T TAKE MORE THAN THE RECOMMENDED DOSAGE!
If I knew what the recommended dosage for DOUBLED OVER IN PAIN FROM SEVERE BACK SPASM was, I assure you I would stick to it!
Comment by Scoopster on 05/02/2013 17:13:09
Scoopster on 05/02/2013 17:13:09
A large sack of ice cubes has just arrived to help me out.. 
I ALREADY feel better.
I ALREADY feel better.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 05/02/2013 17:18:35
Ding. It is also one of the places retirees go. So, Maricopa county gets many older voters, who lean conservative. (Sun City and Sun City West are suburbs of Phoenix.)
Will in Chicago on 05/02/2013 17:18:35
Quote by Mondobubba:
The biggest problem with Arizona is Maricopa County. The way state senators and representatives are determined in Arizona is based on population; Maricopa County has the lion's share of the state's population, it also has a majority of the crazy. This is why Arizona is the way it is currently.
Ding. It is also one of the places retirees go. So, Maricopa county gets many older voters, who lean conservative. (Sun City and Sun City West are suburbs of Phoenix.)
Comment by Raine on 05/02/2013 17:31:04
Raine on 05/02/2013 17:31:04
Comment by 
TriSec on 05/02/2013 17:40:33
TriSec on 05/02/2013 17:40:33
TriSec is alive.
One polyp found - off to biopsy.
Stand aside from the blog canteen, unless you want bite marks on ya.
< throws self on anything marked "food". >
One polyp found - off to biopsy.
Stand aside from the blog canteen, unless you want bite marks on ya.
< throws self on anything marked "food". >
Comment by TriSec on 05/02/2013 17:42:45
I just heard about another one, Texas I think. An Eagle Scout two weeks away from graduation was out skeet shooting this past Sunday with his friends. He forgot and left his shotgun in his pickup. Which he promptly drove to school the next day.
He was arrested and expelled, believe it or not. (Zero tolerance, don't ya know?)
TriSec on 05/02/2013 17:42:45
Quote by Scoopster:
Fucking Florida strikes again..
I just heard about another one, Texas I think. An Eagle Scout two weeks away from graduation was out skeet shooting this past Sunday with his friends. He forgot and left his shotgun in his pickup. Which he promptly drove to school the next day.
He was arrested and expelled, believe it or not. (Zero tolerance, don't ya know?)
Comment by Mondobubba on 05/02/2013 18:00:04
:throws raw meat at the ravening TriSec:
Mondobubba on 05/02/2013 18:00:04
Quote by TriSec:
TriSec is alive.
One polyp found - off to biopsy.
Stand aside from the blog canteen, unless you want bite marks on ya.
< throws self on anything marked "food". >
:throws raw meat at the ravening TriSec:
Comment by 
livingonli on 05/02/2013 18:06:05
livingonli on 05/02/2013 18:06:05
It really just seems like this country has gone freaking nuts and the GOP has contributed to most of it.
Comment by BobR on 05/02/2013 18:08:48
I hope he's taking something to get rid of those spots
I know, I know....
BobR on 05/02/2013 18:08:48
Quote by Raine:
Mondo had been spotted! I repeat he has been spotted!
I hope he's taking something to get rid of those spots
I know, I know....
Comment by BobR on 05/02/2013 18:11:11
some were pissed off... some were pissed on...
BobR on 05/02/2013 18:11:11
Quote by Scoopster:
Hey what the hell happened down there in DC yesterday?
some were pissed off... some were pissed on...
Comment by Will in Chicago on 05/02/2013 18:19:18
I hope that all goes well.
Will in Chicago on 05/02/2013 18:19:18
Quote by TriSec:
TriSec is alive.
One polyp found - off to biopsy.
Stand aside from the blog canteen, unless you want bite marks on ya.
< throws self on anything marked "food". >
I hope that all goes well.
Comment by Scoopster on 05/02/2013 18:50:09
Scoopster on 05/02/2013 18:50:09
Ahhh.. my back is wonderfully numb now. A little tingly tho from the ice, and quite wet. 
Comment by Raine on 05/02/2013 19:13:07
Raine on 05/02/2013 19:13:07
Mondo, thanks for you help with that court marshall story yesterday and today.
Comment by Raine on 05/02/2013 19:13:34
That sounds deliteful... 
and I am glad you are feeling better.
Raine on 05/02/2013 19:13:34
Quote by Scoopster:
Ahhh.. my back is wonderfully numb now. A little tingly tho from the ice, and quite wet.
and I am glad you are feeling better.
Comment by wickedpam on 05/02/2013 19:15:35
try some Salonpas - works great for my knees
wickedpam on 05/02/2013 19:15:35
Quote by Scoopster:
Ahhh.. my back is wonderfully numb now. A little tingly tho from the ice, and quite wet.
try some Salonpas - works great for my knees
Comment by Raine on 05/02/2013 19:27:00
Did you see the quite succinct response from the School?
Raine on 05/02/2013 19:27:00
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:Oh I am pissed now.Quote by Raine:
Well -- there it is -- My Nieces school made Jezebel...
so much to teaching about sensitivity and empathy
Did you see the quite succinct response from the School?
Important Facts:
• Contrary to a few media reports, female students were not forced to engage in any "lesbian
kissing".
• Contrary to a few media reports, male students were not told to carry condoms.
• Contrary to a few media reports, sexual activity among young adolescents was not
condoned or promoted in any way.
This information had been shared with the media, but was not reported by some. We encourage all
community members (and non-community members) to make informed judgments.
Additional Background:
During the week of April 9, eighth grade communication sessions were held at Linden Avenue Middle
School. These sessions were designed by building leadership and the guidance department. The goals of
these sessions were to encourage students to treat one another (and all marginalized groups) with more
respect as well as to further develop an appreciation for personal dignity.
In response to parental concerns about these sessions Dr. Zahedi, the middle school principal, held an
evening informational forum on April 16. This session was well attended and the subsequent feedback
has been positive. In addition, the Board of Education and Superintendent of Schools, Paul Finch,
addressed the community at the April 24 board meeting on the topic of these sessions. Here again,
feedback from the community and students was overwhelmingly positive.
Comment by wickedpam on 05/02/2013 19:31:49
so its really only 1 mom whining
wickedpam on 05/02/2013 19:31:49
Quote by Raine:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:Oh I am pissed now.Quote by Raine:
Well -- there it is -- My Nieces school made Jezebel...
so much to teaching about sensitivity and empathy
Did you see the quite succinct response from the School?Important Facts:
� Contrary to a few media reports, female students were not forced to engage in any "lesbian
kissing"�.
� Contrary to a few media reports, male students were not told to carry condoms.
� Contrary to a few media reports, sexual activity among young adolescents was not
condoned or promoted in any way.
This information had been shared with the media, but was not reported by some. We encourage all
community members (and non-community members) to make informed judgments.
Additional Background:
During the week of April 9, eighth grade communication sessions were held at Linden Avenue Middle
School. These sessions were designed by building leadership and the guidance department. The goals of
these sessions were to encourage students to treat one another (and all marginalized groups) with more
respect as well as to further develop an appreciation for personal dignity.
In response to parental concerns about these sessions Dr. Zahedi, the middle school principal, held an
evening informational forum on April 16. This session was well attended and the subsequent feedback
has been positive. In addition, the Board of Education and Superintendent of Schools, Paul Finch,
addressed the community at the April 24 board meeting on the topic of these sessions. Here again,
feedback from the community and students was overwhelmingly positive.
so its really only 1 mom whining
Comment by Raine on 05/02/2013 19:47:54
Yes one Mindy Coons.
and this is where it all flucking started:
Shaking My damn head.
Raine on 05/02/2013 19:47:54
Quote by wickedpam:
so its really only 1 mom whining
and this is where it all flucking started:
Shaking My damn head.
Comment by livingonli on 05/02/2013 20:06:57
livingonli on 05/02/2013 20:06:57
Anyone hear about WJLA and NewsChannel 8 possibly being up for sale?
Comment by wickedpam on 05/02/2013 20:08:52
yes, AllBritton is considering selling them and Sinclair out of Baltimore is considering buying them
wickedpam on 05/02/2013 20:08:52
Quote by livingonli:
Anyone hear about WJLA and NewsChannel 8 possibly being up for sale?
yes, AllBritton is considering selling them and Sinclair out of Baltimore is considering buying them
Comment by Raine on 05/02/2013 20:09:34
Up for sale.
Made the Style section in WaPo this week. The son seems to want to go completely digital.
Raine on 05/02/2013 20:09:34
Quote by livingonli:
Anyone hear about WJLA and NewsChannel 8 possibly being up for sale?
Up for sale.
Made the Style section in WaPo this week. The son seems to want to go completely digital.
Comment by Raine on 05/02/2013 20:11:14
Here is the article.
Raine on 05/02/2013 20:11:14
Quote by Raine:Quote by livingonli:
Anyone hear about WJLA and NewsChannel 8 possibly being up for sale?
Up for sale.
Made the Style section in WaPo this week. The son seems to want to go completely digital.
Comment by Raine on 05/02/2013 20:15:12
What's the scoop on Sinclair?
Raine on 05/02/2013 20:15:12
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by livingonli:
Anyone hear about WJLA and NewsChannel 8 possibly being up for sale?
yes, AllBritton is considering selling them and Sinclair out of Baltimore is considering buying them
Comment by Raine on 05/02/2013 20:18:48
Raine on 05/02/2013 20:18:48
Howard Kurts is still an idiot, but now he's a fired idiot.
Holy moly. I'm actually shocked about this.
Holy moly. I'm actually shocked about this.
Comment by wickedpam on 05/02/2013 20:20:55
not real sure - thought they learned to the right, seem to remember some kerfuffle with them a few years ago
wickedpam on 05/02/2013 20:20:55
Quote by Raine:What's the scoop on Sinclair?Quote by wickedpam:Quote by livingonli:
Anyone hear about WJLA and NewsChannel 8 possibly being up for sale?
yes, AllBritton is considering selling them and Sinclair out of Baltimore is considering buying them
not real sure - thought they learned to the right, seem to remember some kerfuffle with them a few years ago
Comment by livingonli on 05/02/2013 20:25:02
They do lean to the right. It was their stations that were running the swift boat veterans "documentary" and their News Central service regularly does right-wing editorials on all of their stations. They own WBFF and WNUV in Baltimore (although because of the number of stations in Baltimore WNUV may actually be operating through an LMA instead of an outright duopoly since there aren't enough stations in Baltimore for a duopoly).
livingonli on 05/02/2013 20:25:02
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:What's the scoop on Sinclair?Quote by wickedpam:Quote by livingonli:
Anyone hear about WJLA and NewsChannel 8 possibly being up for sale?
yes, AllBritton is considering selling them and Sinclair out of Baltimore is considering buying them
not real sure - thought they learned to the right, seem to remember some kerfuffle with them a few years ago
They do lean to the right. It was their stations that were running the swift boat veterans "documentary" and their News Central service regularly does right-wing editorials on all of their stations. They own WBFF and WNUV in Baltimore (although because of the number of stations in Baltimore WNUV may actually be operating through an LMA instead of an outright duopoly since there aren't enough stations in Baltimore for a duopoly).
Comment by livingonli on 05/02/2013 20:37:11
livingonli on 05/02/2013 20:37:11
And now I found out that Cablevision is going to be adding The Blaze now which makes me glad I don't have Cablevision any more.
Comment by wickedpam on 05/02/2013 20:39:40
wickedpam on 05/02/2013 20:39:40
fyi - Clifton kinda combo of wealthy assholes and rednecks
Comment by 
clintster on 05/02/2013 21:38:57
clintster on 05/02/2013 21:38:57
150 years ago this evening Gen. Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson was felled by his own troops as he was returning from a patrol during the Battle of Chancellorsville. He died eight days later. He might not have won the Civil War but he sure as Hell could have made it stretch out longer.
Comment by Raine on 05/03/2013 01:34:06
WHAT????
Are you kidding?
The Muthafucking BLAZE is on Muthafucking cable?
Raine on 05/03/2013 01:34:06
Quote by livingonli:
And now I found out that Cablevision is going to be adding The Blaze now which makes me glad I don't have Cablevision any more.
Are you kidding?
The Muthafucking BLAZE is on Muthafucking cable?
Comment by Raine on 05/03/2013 01:38:02
I bet he's being celebrated tonight, here.
Raine on 05/03/2013 01:38:02
Quote by clintster:
150 years ago this evening Gen. Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson was felled by his own troops as he was returning from a patrol during the Battle of Chancellorsville. He died eight days later. He might not have won the Civil War but he sure as Hell could have made it stretch out longer.
I bet he's being celebrated tonight, here.
Comment by wickedpam on 05/03/2013 01:59:17
ITs been on Dish for more then a year now. They keep trying to push it on the Dish FB page
wickedpam on 05/03/2013 01:59:17
Quote by Raine:WHAT????Quote by livingonli:
And now I found out that Cablevision is going to be adding The Blaze now which makes me glad I don't have Cablevision any more.
Are you kidding?
The Muthafucking BLAZE is on Muthafucking cable?
ITs been on Dish for more then a year now. They keep trying to push it on the Dish FB page
Comment by clintster on 05/03/2013 02:12:32
It had been part of my package up until April, when it was apparently put into a higher level package. Yeah, I'm all broken up about it.
clintster on 05/03/2013 02:12:32
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:WHAT????Quote by livingonli:
And now I found out that Cablevision is going to be adding The Blaze now which makes me glad I don't have Cablevision any more.
Are you kidding?
The Muthafucking BLAZE is on Muthafucking cable?
ITs been on Dish for more then a year now. They keep trying to push it on the Dish FB page
It had been part of my package up until April, when it was apparently put into a higher level package. Yeah, I'm all broken up about it.
Comment by livingonli on 05/03/2013 03:02:09
And Cablevision never carried Current and I somehow doubt they will be interested after it switches to Al-Jazeera America.
livingonli on 05/03/2013 03:02:09
Quote by clintster:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:WHAT????Quote by livingonli:
And now I found out that Cablevision is going to be adding The Blaze now which makes me glad I don't have Cablevision any more.
Are you kidding?
The Muthafucking BLAZE is on Muthafucking cable?
ITs been on Dish for more then a year now. They keep trying to push it on the Dish FB page
It had been part of my package up until April, when it was apparently put into a higher level package. Yeah, I'm all broken up about it.
And Cablevision never carried Current and I somehow doubt they will be interested after it switches to Al-Jazeera America.