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The times...
Author: BobR
Date: 07/25/2008 12:16:20
And keep your eyes open, the chance won't come again
And don't speak too soon, the wheel's still in spin
And there's no telling who that it's naming
Oh the loser will be later to win
For the times, they are a changing
Come senators, congressmen, please head the call
Don't stand in the doorway, don't block up the hall
For he that gets hurt will be her that has stalled
The battle outside ragging will soon shake your windows
And rattle your hall
For the times, they are a changing
- from The Times They Are a-Changin' by Bob Dylan
I had a friend I've known since we were both teenagers in the 70's visit us last night. The three of us talked about the old times. It brought back memories of another era, one that likely seems so alien to anyone a couple decades younger. We bought soda in glass quart bottles by the case, and returned them (and the wooden case) for the deposit. We spent summers in a tiny cottage in the mountains with no TV and no computers (no such thing as a PC at that time). We had a shortwave multiband radio that we could dial in staticy signals from around the world in the evening (even that activity's days are numbered, as everything goes digital). We played games on a board instead of a computer, went for walks, swam in the lake during the day. My special treat was an ice cream sandwich from the Tasti Freeze.
It was a turbulent time back then in the early 70's. The Cold War was at its height, there was social and racial unrest, Germany and Berlin were divided, and war in a faraway land. The previously quoted lyrics, although written a decade earlier, could well have described the palatable need for change felt among the populace.
As is often the case, the monetary fortunes and conscience of the nation goes through cycles. We made strides towards helping those that needed it, we ended a war, the walls fell, the cold thawed. We as a nation got richer and found we wanted more, and got more and partied like it was 1999.
The rest of the world? For a lot of people - not so much. Our consuming consumer frenzy was built on the backs of the poor people in the world who made our products for what could easily be considered slave wages. As we consumed more, we bought more from overseas, sending our money there and padding the bank accounts of the executives of the companies that sold us the things we thought we needed.
We never really ended our civil and social ills, we simply outsourced them.
For some, though, too much is never enough, and the poor of the world could not support the lifestyles of America AND fill the coffers of the rich at the top. So after a decade of money flowing uphill, once again the poor and middle class in America are in the position of having to push for social and economic justice for themselves.
At the same time, we once again have wars in faraway lands and - ironically - walls going up in Israel and America.
It is against this political and social backdrop, and the very physical backdrop of the reunited Berlin that Barack Obama gave his speech yesterday. He asked the world:
Will we extend our hand to the people in the forgotten corners of this world who yearn for lives marked by dignity and opportunity; by security and justice? Will we lift the child in Bangladesh from poverty, shelter the refugee in Chad, and banish the scourge of AIDS in our time?
Will we stand for the human rights of the dissident in Burma, the blogger in Iran, or the voter in Zimbabwe? Will we give meaning to the words “never again” in Darfur?
Will we acknowledge that there is no more powerful example than the one each of our nations projects to the world? Will we reject torture and stand for the rule of law? Will we welcome immigrants from different lands, and shun discrimination against those who don’t look like us or worship like we do, and keep the promise of equality and opportunity for all of our people?
Will we? The times they are a-changin'.
Again.
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Comment by 
wickedpam on 07/25/2008 12:17:20
wickedpam on 07/25/2008 12:17:20
Excuses, Excuses :p
Morning :hug:
Morning :hug:
Comment by 
capt on 07/25/2008 12:23:21
capt on 07/25/2008 12:23:21
Comment by 
TriSec on 07/25/2008 12:26:03
TriSec on 07/25/2008 12:26:03
Hmm, I see the southern branch of the blog has been slacking off this week....:modbat:
Comment by capt on 07/25/2008 12:32:37
Are you talking about someone's butt?
That's be our southern crack - not branch.
capt on 07/25/2008 12:32:37
Quote by TriSec:
Hmm, I see the southern branch of the blog has been slacking off this week....:modbat:
Are you talking about someone's butt?
That's be our southern crack - not branch.
Comment by capt on 07/25/2008 12:55:08
capt on 07/25/2008 12:55:08
Prediction:
The DJIA will close lower today. It will take another hard hit.
The DJIA will close lower today. It will take another hard hit.
Comment by 
Raine on 07/25/2008 13:11:27
Raine on 07/25/2008 13:11:27
:coffee: good morning!
Comment by wickedpam on 07/25/2008 13:11:43
wickedpam on 07/25/2008 13:11:43
OMG - German's speak English really well. It's the language of business they want to make sure they are prepared.
Comment by 
Random on 07/25/2008 13:11:50
Random on 07/25/2008 13:11:50
Who's gonna see The X-Files movie...Rumor has it...The Movie Sucks
Comment by wickedpam on 07/25/2008 13:13:05
wickedpam on 07/25/2008 13:13:05
Let's just say it's on my Netflix list
Comment by wickedpam on 07/25/2008 13:15:12
wickedpam on 07/25/2008 13:15:12
Shane-O bringin' the novack funny :lol:
Comment by Raine on 07/25/2008 13:17:54
Raine on 07/25/2008 13:17:54
Hey! 
I was having problems with my computer yesterday!
I was having problems with my computer yesterday!
Comment by Raine on 07/25/2008 13:19:15
Raine on 07/25/2008 13:19:15
And my southern branch has nothing to do with this! :P
Comment by capt on 07/25/2008 13:20:33
capt on 07/25/2008 13:20:33
My southern branch! 
Comment by wickedpam on 07/25/2008 13:21:36
wickedpam on 07/25/2008 13:21:36
from DCRTV
Pedestrian "Doing Fine" After Novak Hit - 7/25 - The homeless pedestrian who was struck by a car driven by syndicated columnist Robert Novak said in a WMAL interview yesterday that he is "doing fine," recovering from a dislocated shoulder, and voiced surprise and amusement that the political pundit was at the wheel of the Chevrolet Corvette that hit him in downtown DC on Wednesday. "Bob Novak is the one that hit me?" said 86-year-old Don Clifford Liljenquist, sounding astonished when WMAL reporter Troy Russell told him that the driver was Novak. "Well, everybody knows who Bob Novak is! He's a famous journalist!... I was struck by Bob Novak?... Well, I think that makes it a great story!" More in the DC Post and at wmal.com.....
Pedestrian "Doing Fine" After Novak Hit - 7/25 - The homeless pedestrian who was struck by a car driven by syndicated columnist Robert Novak said in a WMAL interview yesterday that he is "doing fine," recovering from a dislocated shoulder, and voiced surprise and amusement that the political pundit was at the wheel of the Chevrolet Corvette that hit him in downtown DC on Wednesday. "Bob Novak is the one that hit me?" said 86-year-old Don Clifford Liljenquist, sounding astonished when WMAL reporter Troy Russell told him that the driver was Novak. "Well, everybody knows who Bob Novak is! He's a famous journalist!... I was struck by Bob Novak?... Well, I think that makes it a great story!" More in the DC Post and at wmal.com.....
Comment by 
velveeta jones on 07/25/2008 13:28:41
velveeta jones on 07/25/2008 13:28:41
Great post BobR! :clap:
Those of us in the "south" appreciate its brevity.
Ahem.......... some of us below "the line" have had our blogs in on time.
>P
Those of us in the "south" appreciate its brevity.
Ahem.......... some of us below "the line" have had our blogs in on time.
>P
Comment by TriSec on 07/25/2008 13:29:26
TriSec on 07/25/2008 13:29:26
Keith nailed it a few days back about Obama's overseas trip...
McCain goaded him into going, and he's sure hit the Grand Slam, hasn't he?
: backfired :
McCain goaded him into going, and he's sure hit the Grand Slam, hasn't he?
: backfired :
Comment by Random on 07/25/2008 13:30:09
Random on 07/25/2008 13:30:09
So...Random is Random...and Bored...
Shall i rule the world...but first the blog.
Shall i rule the world...but first the blog.
Comment by velveeta jones on 07/25/2008 13:30:36
velveeta jones on 07/25/2008 13:30:36
Yay!! And Dylan references as well.
It was worth the wait!
It was worth the wait!
Comment by 
BobR on 07/25/2008 13:30:45
BobR on 07/25/2008 13:30:45
okay - through my Guinness-fueled fog, I was able to cobble something together for today's blog.
enjoy. :yawn:
enjoy. :yawn:
Comment by TriSec on 07/25/2008 13:33:51
TriSec on 07/25/2008 13:33:51
Mrs. TriSec and I were as hardcore as anyone over the X Files back in the day....
It's sucked since the next-to-last season. As we called it then, the "Y-Files", as in "Why are we still watching this?"
We're not optomistic; Mrs. TriSec has already declared that this is the "Z-Files" movie.
Besides, how did they film it without Gillian and David killing each other?
It's sucked since the next-to-last season. As we called it then, the "Y-Files", as in "Why are we still watching this?"
We're not optomistic; Mrs. TriSec has already declared that this is the "Z-Files" movie.
Besides, how did they film it without Gillian and David killing each other?
Comment by Random on 07/25/2008 13:35:25
Well...Money, A lot of Money
Random on 07/25/2008 13:35:25
Quote by TriSec:
Mrs. TriSec and I were as hardcore as anyone over the X Files back in the day....
It's sucked since the next-to-last season. As we called it then, the "Y-Files", as in "Why are we still watching this?"
We're not optomistic; Mrs. TriSec has already declared that this is the "Z-Files" movie.
Besides, how did they film it without Gillian and David killing each other?
Well...Money, A lot of Money
Comment by capt on 07/25/2008 13:35:40
capt on 07/25/2008 13:35:40
BobR,
The times are a changing if we "Bring it!"
I wonder what the rest of the planet will do if the GOP steals the election?
The times are a changing if we "Bring it!"
I wonder what the rest of the planet will do if the GOP steals the election?
Comment by Raine on 07/25/2008 13:36:14
Raine on 07/25/2008 13:36:14
Pretty good cobble Bobber!
:bow:
:bow:
Comment by capt on 07/25/2008 13:36:55
capt on 07/25/2008 13:36:55
I think I already like the "X-file" new movie.
(being contrary)
(being contrary)
Comment by 
Scoopster on 07/25/2008 13:38:29
Morning all! :banana:
Back from the vacation-not-so-much.. It was rough. :(
Scoopster on 07/25/2008 13:38:29
Morning all! :banana:Back from the vacation-not-so-much.. It was rough. :(
Comment by Random on 07/25/2008 13:39:25
I wanna see it now.
Random on 07/25/2008 13:39:25
Quote by capt:
I think I already like the "X-file" new movie.
(being contrary)
I wanna see it now.
Comment by BobR on 07/25/2008 13:41:16
I was sick earlier in the week and I am just now feeling better.
Guinness gives you strength!™
BobR on 07/25/2008 13:41:16
Quote by TriSec:
Hmm, I see the southern branch of the blog has been slacking off this week....:modbat:
I was sick earlier in the week and I am just now feeling better.
Guinness gives you strength!™
Comment by 
m-hadley on 07/25/2008 13:43:18
m-hadley on 07/25/2008 13:43:18
Mornin' Everybody :coffee:
Excellent post BobR - I also came of age in the 70s (graduated high school in '77), and even in back woods Indiana where I was reared, we got the news and I remember watching the body bags coming back from Vietnam and knowing that something was happening beyond my little world out in the cornfields. I remember growing up watching the Kennedy assasinations and MLK being shot dead and thinking that all great leaders were ultimately assasinated. Now comes another leader with great potential - I hope that as a people we have come farther than to squander this opportunity. My two cents for this Fridee morning... :P
Cheers,
mfaye
Excellent post BobR - I also came of age in the 70s (graduated high school in '77), and even in back woods Indiana where I was reared, we got the news and I remember watching the body bags coming back from Vietnam and knowing that something was happening beyond my little world out in the cornfields. I remember growing up watching the Kennedy assasinations and MLK being shot dead and thinking that all great leaders were ultimately assasinated. Now comes another leader with great potential - I hope that as a people we have come farther than to squander this opportunity. My two cents for this Fridee morning... :P
Cheers,
mfaye
Comment by wickedpam on 07/25/2008 13:50:00
wickedpam on 07/25/2008 13:50:00
Comment by velveeta jones on 07/25/2008 13:50:18
velveeta jones on 07/25/2008 13:50:18
Someone shoot this stupid caller.
Comment by Scoopster on 07/25/2008 13:54:51
Scoopster on 07/25/2008 13:54:51
BTW I am glad to say that most of the family was quite impressed by Obama's trip across the pond..
Except for my dear uncle.. I'm starting to think the combination of his elder years, his service to the church, and his position of being in charge of the family's trust fund are turning him into a Liebercrat.
Except for my dear uncle.. I'm starting to think the combination of his elder years, his service to the church, and his position of being in charge of the family's trust fund are turning him into a Liebercrat.
Comment by 
starling310 on 07/25/2008 14:28:27
starling310 on 07/25/2008 14:28:27
MOrnin'! 
Bobber, Bobber, Bobber. . . great post. That Dylan song always gets me belting away in the car!
Bobber, Bobber, Bobber. . . great post. That Dylan song always gets me belting away in the car!
Comment by Raine on 07/25/2008 14:28:58
Raine on 07/25/2008 14:28:58
I see the Bloggie burped again...
Comment by starling310 on 07/25/2008 14:30:01
Speaking of Southern Branches, did y'all see the one about the Deer with the extra legs and tail last night on KO?
Poor Deer.
starling310 on 07/25/2008 14:30:01
Quote by Raine:
And my southern branch has nothing to do with this! :P
Speaking of Southern Branches, did y'all see the one about the Deer with the extra legs and tail last night on KO?
Poor Deer.
Comment by wickedpam on 07/25/2008 14:32:32
THat was more like an upchuck
wickedpam on 07/25/2008 14:32:32
Quote by Raine:
I see the Bloggie burped again...
THat was more like an upchuck
Comment by Raine on 07/25/2008 14:33:49
Welcome back scoop.
Raine on 07/25/2008 14:33:49
Quote by Scoopster:
Back from the vacation-not-so-much.. It was rough. :(
Welcome back scoop.
Comment by starling310 on 07/25/2008 14:34:17
starling310 on 07/25/2008 14:34:17
Oh. My birds are back!
I had run out of seed, and yesterday they were sitting on my railing.
Birds-----> "Hey Lady! Where's the food?!?"
I read that birds become dependent on a food source, so I went out and got them more. . . and now they are back!
Wow...I am becoming an Elderly shut-in.
I had run out of seed, and yesterday they were sitting on my railing.
Birds----->
"Hey Lady! Where's the food?!?" I read that birds become dependent on a food source, so I went out and got them more. . . and now they are back!
Wow...I am becoming an Elderly shut-in.
Comment by starling310 on 07/25/2008 14:34:51
starling310 on 07/25/2008 14:34:51
SCOOP! 
Comment by TriSec on 07/25/2008 14:36:59
TriSec on 07/25/2008 14:36:59
Heyyy! I studied Karl Marx in college, too.
Hell, I was proud to call myself a communist then. (during the Reagan Era). It was a thing to do.
Like feeding Vaal.
Hell, I was proud to call myself a communist then. (during the Reagan Era). It was a thing to do.
Like feeding Vaal.
Comment by 
Mondobubba on 07/25/2008 14:38:47
Mondobubba on 07/25/2008 14:38:47
Comment by wickedpam on 07/25/2008 14:39:07
At least their nicer then our neighborhood squirrel. if you move one of the peanuts he's buried then he gets all pissed of and takes revenge. When we put in the extention to the flower bed we found a bunch of peanuts where we were digging so we threw them out in to the commons for the squirrel to find again. The little thing, over night, found the nuts, buried them and then dug a big hole in on of our pots pushing on of the plant almost all the way out.
wickedpam on 07/25/2008 14:39:07
Quote by starling310:
Oh. My birds are back!
I had run out of seed, and yesterday they were sitting on my railing.
Birds----->
I read that birds become dependent on a food source, so I went out and got them more. . . and now they are back!
Wow...I am becoming an Elderly shut-in.
At least their nicer then our neighborhood squirrel. if you move one of the peanuts he's buried then he gets all pissed of and takes revenge. When we put in the extention to the flower bed we found a bunch of peanuts where we were digging so we threw them out in to the commons for the squirrel to find again. The little thing, over night, found the nuts, buried them and then dug a big hole in on of our pots pushing on of the plant almost all the way out.
Comment by starling310 on 07/25/2008 14:41:33
:rofl:
You don't mess with squirrels. They are bad ass.
starling310 on 07/25/2008 14:41:33
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by starling310:
Oh. My birds are back!
I had run out of seed, and yesterday they were sitting on my railing.
Birds----->
I read that birds become dependent on a food source, so I went out and got them more. . . and now they are back!
Wow...I am becoming an Elderly shut-in.
At least their nicer then our neighborhood squirrel. if you move one of the peanuts he's buried then he gets all pissed of and takes revenge. When we put in the extention to the flower bed we found a bunch of peanuts where we were digging so we threw them out in to the commons for the squirrel to find again. The little thing, over night, found the nuts, buried them and then dug a big hole in on of our pots pushing on of the plant almost all the way out.
:rofl:
You don't mess with squirrels. They are bad ass.
Comment by TriSec on 07/25/2008 14:41:55
TriSec on 07/25/2008 14:41:55
Regarding birds...
I know an actual Mountain Man (who is sadly dying of cancer at age well over 80.)
Anyway, he always says to stop feeding the birds in the spring..."Let 'em earn their keep over the summer".
He does feed through the winter and other 'tough times'.
I know an actual Mountain Man (who is sadly dying of cancer at age well over 80.)
Anyway, he always says to stop feeding the birds in the spring..."Let 'em earn their keep over the summer".
He does feed through the winter and other 'tough times'.
Comment by capt on 07/25/2008 14:42:45
capt on 07/25/2008 14:42:45
Mondo is breaking the blog.
Bad Mondo!
Bad Mondo!
Comment by Raine on 07/25/2008 14:43:30
Raine on 07/25/2008 14:43:30
So what is Drew's purpose??
Comment by starling310 on 07/25/2008 14:43:46
starling310 on 07/25/2008 14:43:46
NO NO NANNETTE!
Comment by capt on 07/25/2008 14:46:09
capt on 07/25/2008 14:46:09
Here is a link to Mondos funny:
The Great Office War
It can't be posted as a youtube? (maybe?)
It makes my computer lock up trying to load it so the blog goes to (1 item remaining) and stallls.
Anybody else have the same prob?
The Great Office War
It can't be posted as a youtube? (maybe?)
It makes my computer lock up trying to load it so the blog goes to (1 item remaining) and stallls.
Anybody else have the same prob?
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/25/2008 14:47:12
Mondobubba on 07/25/2008 14:47:12
Morning all. It day off thingy. We got a memo yesterday that going over the hour for the last week the office is open. The last day the dump is open is Fridee the 8th. Keep that in mind, it is important. Then the memo goes on to say if you scheduled work on the 9th or the 10th you need to work on your day off in the week. WTF? I've already got plans for my day off, I am getting the hell out of dodge. What makes you think I want work 6 day in the last week the place is open. I think not! Bastids.
:rage:
:rage:
:rage:
:rage:
Comment by TriSec on 07/25/2008 14:47:24
AUUGGHHHHHHHHHHHH!
: burns Shaughnessey's book :
TriSec on 07/25/2008 14:47:24
Quote by starling310:
NO NO NANNETTE!
AUUGGHHHHHHHHHHHH!
: burns Shaughnessey's book :
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/25/2008 14:48:27
Oh GOD! Thank you, Sir! May I have another?
Mondobubba on 07/25/2008 14:48:27
Quote by capt:
Mondo is breaking the blog.
Bad Mondo!
Oh GOD! Thank you, Sir! May I have another?
Comment by m-hadley on 07/25/2008 14:48:58
If it happens, I hope that this country is invaded by outside forces (not unlike our invasion of Iraq) in order to force a regime change. I would certainly join forces with the foreign invaders to displace the illegitimate government Taking up arms is something that I don't think I could do, but I would definitely support their efforts - mend their wounds, feed them, house them.... I'm just saying:
From The Declaration of Independence
I'm just sayin' !Viva la revolucion!
Cheers,
mfaye
:peace:
m-hadley on 07/25/2008 14:48:58
Quote by capt:
BobR,
The times are a changing if we "Bring it!"
I wonder what the rest of the planet will do if the GOP steals the election?
If it happens, I hope that this country is invaded by outside forces (not unlike our invasion of Iraq) in order to force a regime change. I would certainly join forces with the foreign invaders to displace the illegitimate government
Taking up arms is something that I don't think I could do, but I would definitely support their efforts - mend their wounds, feed them, house them.... I'm just saying: When a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
From The Declaration of Independence
I'm just sayin' !Viva la revolucion!
Cheers,
mfaye
:peace:
Comment by starling310 on 07/25/2008 14:50:01
Yes, alas is sometimes not that bright. My friends ( once the birds had already started eating ) said "Why did you put up a bird feeder in the summer?"
Woops. :shrug:
starling310 on 07/25/2008 14:50:01
Quote by TriSec:
Regarding birds...
I know an actual Mountain Man (who is sadly dying of cancer at age well over 80.)
Anyway, he always says to stop feeding the birds in the spring..."Let 'em earn their keep over the summer".
He does feed through the winter and other 'tough times'.
Yes, alas
is sometimes not that bright. My friends ( once the birds had already started eating ) said "Why did you put up a bird feeder in the summer?" Woops. :shrug:
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/25/2008 14:51:08
Triple M has an on-going battle with squirrels and bird feeders. They are clever little bastards. She has tried just about everything short of blasting them with small arms fire.
Mondobubba on 07/25/2008 14:51:08
Quote by starling310:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by starling310:
Oh. My birds are back!
I had run out of seed, and yesterday they were sitting on my railing.
Birds----->
I read that birds become dependent on a food source, so I went out and got them more. . . and now they are back!
Wow...I am becoming an Elderly shut-in.
At least their nicer then our neighborhood squirrel. if you move one of the peanuts he's buried then he gets all pissed of and takes revenge. When we put in the extention to the flower bed we found a bunch of peanuts where we were digging so we threw them out in to the commons for the squirrel to find again. The little thing, over night, found the nuts, buried them and then dug a big hole in on of our pots pushing on of the plant almost all the way out.
:rofl:
You don't mess with squirrels. They are bad ass.
Triple M has an on-going battle with squirrels and bird feeders. They are clever little bastards. She has tried just about everything short of blasting them with small arms fire.
Comment by starling310 on 07/25/2008 14:51:23
:: hands Mondo a match to burn the Bridge ::
I say take your days anyway.
starling310 on 07/25/2008 14:51:23
Quote by Mondobubba:
Morning all. It day off thingy. We got a memo yesterday that going over the hour for the last week the office is open. The last day the dump is open is Fridee the 8th. Keep that in mind, it is important. Then the memo goes on to say if you scheduled work on the 9th or the 10th you need to work on your day off in the week. WTF? I've already got plans for my day off, I am getting the hell out of dodge. What makes you think I want work 6 day in the last week the place is open. I think not! Bastids.
:rage:
:: hands Mondo a match to burn the Bridge ::
I say take your days anyway.
Comment by wickedpam on 07/25/2008 14:52:37
wickedpam on 07/25/2008 14:52:37
Wow ideals - those are crazy
Comment by BobR on 07/25/2008 14:52:57
You can only post YouTube videos as YuoTubes... I changed the comment to a link...
BobR on 07/25/2008 14:52:57
Quote by capt:
Here is a link to Mondos funny:
The Great Office War
It can't be posted as a youtube? (maybe?)
It makes my computer lock up trying to load it so the blog goes to (1 item remaining) and stallls.
Anybody else have the same prob?
You can only post YouTube videos as YuoTubes... I changed the comment to a link...
Comment by starling310 on 07/25/2008 14:53:41
starling310 on 07/25/2008 14:53:41
:: right wing tools :: "Oh, well the German people only cheered because they don't speak much English, so they really didn't understand what he was saying."
UUMMM...RIGHT WING TOOLS....MOST other countries are BILINGUAL!
UUMMM...RIGHT WING TOOLS....MOST other countries are BILINGUAL!
Comment by 
livingonli on 07/25/2008 14:54:20
livingonli on 07/25/2008 14:54:20
Good morning everyone.
This trip sure went fast and today should be interesting. Check-out time is 11 AM and my flight out isn't until 9:03 PM tonight. That means I have a lot of time to kill. Maybe I will go hit the Star Trek ride one last time before it closes for good.
I will most likely sleep on the flight home since I will be back in New York at 5:00 Saturday morning.
This trip sure went fast and today should be interesting. Check-out time is 11 AM and my flight out isn't until 9:03 PM tonight. That means I have a lot of time to kill. Maybe I will go hit the Star Trek ride one last time before it closes for good.
I will most likely sleep on the flight home since I will be back in New York at 5:00 Saturday morning.
Comment by starling310 on 07/25/2008 14:55:40
Liv, did you stay at Tahiti Village?
starling310 on 07/25/2008 14:55:40
Quote by livingonli:
Good morning everyone.
This trip sure went fast and today should be interesting. Check-out time is 11 AM and my flight out isn't until 9:03 PM tonight. That means I have a lot of time to kill. Maybe I will go hit the Star Trek ride one last time before it closes for good.
I will most likely sleep on the flight home since I will be back in New York at 5:00 Saturday morning.
Liv, did you stay at Tahiti Village?
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/25/2008 14:56:35
I think I will be too "depressed" to come since I'm loosing this wonderful job that has been so good to me. :weeps:
Mondobubba on 07/25/2008 14:56:35
Quote by starling310:Quote by Mondobubba:
Morning all. It day off thingy. We got a memo yesterday that going over the hour for the last week the office is open. The last day the dump is open is Fridee the 8th. Keep that in mind, it is important. Then the memo goes on to say if you scheduled work on the 9th or the 10th you need to work on your day off in the week. WTF? I've already got plans for my day off, I am getting the hell out of dodge. What makes you think I want work 6 day in the last week the place is open. I think not! Bastids.
:rage:
:: hands Mondo a match to burn the Bridge ::
I say take your days anyway.
I think I will be too "depressed" to come since I'm loosing this wonderful job that has been so good to me. :weeps:
Comment by wickedpam on 07/25/2008 14:56:35
holy crap! your office is closing? 
That's like the second office that's happened to you. Are you secretly the office grim reaper? Do you get visits from Mandy Patakin?
wickedpam on 07/25/2008 14:56:35
Quote by Mondobubba:
Morning all. It day off thingy. We got a memo yesterday that going over the hour for the last week the office is open. The last day the dump is open is Fridee the 8th. Keep that in mind, it is important. Then the memo goes on to say if you scheduled work on the 9th or the 10th you need to work on your day off in the week. WTF? I've already got plans for my day off, I am getting the hell out of dodge. What makes you think I want work 6 day in the last week the place is open. I think not! Bastids.
:rage:
That's like the second office that's happened to you. Are you secretly the office grim reaper? Do you get visits from Mandy Patakin?
Comment by livingonli on 07/25/2008 14:57:26
But the rest of the world is supposed to be ignorant about those things. That's why when we travel abroad, we always have to yell at everyone to speak English. :P
livingonli on 07/25/2008 14:57:26
Quote by starling310:
:: right wing tools :: "Oh, well the German people only cheered because they don't speak much English, so they really didn't understand what he was saying."
UUMMM...RIGHT WING TOOLS....MOST other countries are BILINGUAL!
But the rest of the world is supposed to be ignorant about those things. That's why when we travel abroad, we always have to yell at everyone to speak English.
:P
Comment by wickedpam on 07/25/2008 14:57:58
Check to see if the hotel has a place to stow your luggage until you need to leave.
wickedpam on 07/25/2008 14:57:58
Quote by livingonli:
Good morning everyone.
This trip sure went fast and today should be interesting. Check-out time is 11 AM and my flight out isn't until 9:03 PM tonight. That means I have a lot of time to kill. Maybe I will go hit the Star Trek ride one last time before it closes for good.
I will most likely sleep on the flight home since I will be back in New York at 5:00 Saturday morning.
Check to see if the hotel has a place to stow your luggage until you need to leave.
Comment by capt on 07/25/2008 14:58:24
capt on 07/25/2008 14:58:24
Photo Gallery: Obama in Berlin
From Der Speigel - some real good shots.
Anybody else getting stuck at (1 item remaining) in the status line.
Jim and Chirs have to stop wondering why Barack isn't doing better on a NATIONAL POLL? It is the electors and as our resident number crunching expert (Random) has shown 322 to 100 (and something) is a LANDSLIDE.
From Der Speigel - some real good shots.
Anybody else getting stuck at (1 item remaining) in the status line.
Jim and Chirs have to stop wondering why Barack isn't doing better on a NATIONAL POLL? It is the electors and as our resident number crunching expert (Random) has shown 322 to 100 (and something) is a LANDSLIDE.
Comment by livingonli on 07/25/2008 14:59:53
HELL NO! But I did see their kiosk in New York, New York. I should have asked about the tickets for Roseanne. She's playing all the way up at the Sahara.
livingonli on 07/25/2008 14:59:53
Quote by starling310:Quote by livingonli:
Good morning everyone.
This trip sure went fast and today should be interesting. Check-out time is 11 AM and my flight out isn't until 9:03 PM tonight. That means I have a lot of time to kill. Maybe I will go hit the Star Trek ride one last time before it closes for good.
I will most likely sleep on the flight home since I will be back in New York at 5:00 Saturday morning.
Liv, did you stay at Tahiti Village?
HELL NO! But I did see their kiosk in New York, New York. I should have asked about the tickets for Roseanne. She's playing all the way up at the Sahara.
Comment by capt on 07/25/2008 15:00:06
Thanks BobR - it was making my machine all fritzy - WAY better now . .
You rock dude!
capt on 07/25/2008 15:00:06
Quote by BobR:Quote by capt:
Here is a link to Mondos funny:
The Great Office War
It can't be posted as a youtube? (maybe?)
It makes my computer lock up trying to load it so the blog goes to (1 item remaining) and stallls.
Anybody else have the same prob?
You can only post YouTube videos as YuoTubes... I changed the comment to a link...
Thanks BobR - it was making my machine all fritzy - WAY better now . .
You rock dude!
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/25/2008 15:01:19
Cheesus Bobber you want is a YouTubes, you got it!
Mondobubba on 07/25/2008 15:01:19
Cheesus Bobber you want is a YouTubes, you got it!
Comment by livingonli on 07/25/2008 15:02:58
I had already asked the hotel about that. I've got that covered since I don't want to be lugging stuff all over the strip. Since I only packed one bag and my laptop, it won't take up too much space.
livingonli on 07/25/2008 15:02:58
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by livingonli:
Good morning everyone.
This trip sure went fast and today should be interesting. Check-out time is 11 AM and my flight out isn't until 9:03 PM tonight. That means I have a lot of time to kill. Maybe I will go hit the Star Trek ride one last time before it closes for good.
I will most likely sleep on the flight home since I will be back in New York at 5:00 Saturday morning.
Check to see if the hotel has a place to stow your luggage until you need to leave.
I had already asked the hotel about that. I've got that covered since I don't want to be lugging stuff all over the strip. Since I only packed one bag and my laptop, it won't take up too much space.
Comment by starling310 on 07/25/2008 15:07:10
starling310 on 07/25/2008 15:07:10
It's just awe inspiring to look at those pictures and see smiling faces on people, in other countries, who want to shake our President's hand! It sure as hell beats those staged photo-Ops by Bush of the 3 people, who aren't burning the American flag, standing behind clapping like zombies.
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/25/2008 15:08:38
Mondobubba on 07/25/2008 15:08:38
Funniest Worst Persons ever! Duncan "Great White" Hunter. Wants to hunt then give the meat to starving refugees.
Comment by BobR on 07/25/2008 15:08:52
that was... um... interesting.
BobR on 07/25/2008 15:08:52
Quote by Mondobubba:
Cheesus Bobber you want is a YouTubes, you got it!
that was... um... interesting.
Comment by capt on 07/25/2008 15:09:50
capt on 07/25/2008 15:09:50
Shane-O ROCKS!
Comment by Raine on 07/25/2008 15:11:30
Raine on 07/25/2008 15:11:30
Bark Park!
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/25/2008 15:12:03
Mondobubba on 07/25/2008 15:12:03
:rofl: : ends in coughing fit:
: ends in coughing fit:
Comment by wickedpam on 07/25/2008 15:12:42
That's really cute, sent it to my boss, she should get a kick out of it :)
wickedpam on 07/25/2008 15:12:42
Quote by Mondobubba:
Cheesus Bobber you want is a YouTubes, you got it!
That's really cute, sent it to my boss, she should get a kick out of it :)
Comment by Raine on 07/25/2008 15:12:57
Raine on 07/25/2008 15:12:57
IAN!!!!! 
Comment by 
Shane-O on 07/25/2008 15:13:04
Shane-O on 07/25/2008 15:13:04
our Faye? -- and Clint's Ian!
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/25/2008 15:13:20
C'mon Bob you know know you have gone to war with the sales department! You IT you guy you.
Mondobubba on 07/25/2008 15:13:20
Quote by BobR:Quote by Mondobubba:
Cheesus Bobber you want is a YouTubes, you got it!
that was... um... interesting.
C'mon Bob you know know you have gone to war with the sales department! You IT you guy you.
Comment by wickedpam on 07/25/2008 15:13:29
wickedpam on 07/25/2008 15:13:29
Ian! :D
Comment by m-hadley on 07/25/2008 15:14:04
m-hadley on 07/25/2008 15:14:04
Clintster,
That was for you and Mrs. Clintster (and Ian), sweeties :D
Cheers,
mfaye
:hug:
That was for you and Mrs. Clintster (and Ian), sweeties :D
Cheers,
mfaye
:hug:
Comment by BobR on 07/25/2008 15:17:11
This one was too funny:
BobR on 07/25/2008 15:17:11
Quote by capt:
Photo Gallery: Obama in Berlin
From Der Speigel - some real good shots.
Anybody else getting stuck at (1 item remaining) in the status line.
Jim and Chirs have to stop wondering why Barack isn't doing better on a NATIONAL POLL? It is the electors and as our resident number crunching expert (Random) has shown 322 to 100 (and something) is a LANDSLIDE.
This one was too funny:
Comment by starling310 on 07/25/2008 15:19:23
starling310 on 07/25/2008 15:19:23
My friend Tim just dubbed Barack's speech in Germany, BARACK-STOCK!
:rofl:
:rofl:
Comment by wickedpam on 07/25/2008 15:19:47
wickedpam on 07/25/2008 15:19:47
If the audio fading away?
Comment by capt on 07/25/2008 15:19:55
capt on 07/25/2008 15:19:55
Ian is a STAR!
I love it!
I love it!
Comment by capt on 07/25/2008 15:21:33
That is actually very good. I like it! Tell Tim he RAWKS!
capt on 07/25/2008 15:21:33
Quote by starling310:
My friend Tim just dubbed Barack's speech in Germany, BARACK-STOCK!
:rofl:
That is actually very good. I like it! Tell Tim he RAWKS!
Comment by velveeta jones on 07/25/2008 15:22:18
velveeta jones on 07/25/2008 15:22:18
I'm eating Aunt Azalea's delicious pie!! Hmmmmmmmmmmm, HMMMM!
:drool:
(Total setup for TriSec)
:drool:
(Total setup for TriSec)
Comment by wickedpam on 07/25/2008 15:22:48
wickedpam on 07/25/2008 15:22:48
I can listen? Is that what the other says?
Comment by starling310 on 07/25/2008 15:23:13
starling310 on 07/25/2008 15:23:13
Since the wRight wing has been crying that "He was taking a victory lap. He's being arrogant. . . blah, blah, blah " I hope that when Barack wins, he literally does an 'End Zone' dance and yells "In your face."
Followed of course by a
----> Barack <----- Michelle
Followed of course by a
----> Barack
<----- Michelle
Comment by m-hadley on 07/25/2008 15:23:28
Yeah Shane-O,
Twas me who sent that little blurb and bite request to Momma :P
Cheers,
mfaye
:fbump:
m-hadley on 07/25/2008 15:23:28
Quote by Shane-O:
our Faye? -- and Clint's Ian!
Yeah Shane-O,
Twas me who sent that little blurb and bite request to Momma :P
Cheers,
mfaye
:fbump:
Comment by TriSec on 07/25/2008 15:23:39
TriSec on 07/25/2008 15:23:39
Comment by starling310 on 07/25/2008 15:24:02
:: napoleon dynamite :: LUUCKY!
starling310 on 07/25/2008 15:24:02
Quote by velveeta jones:
I'm eating Aunt Azalea's delicious pie!! Hmmmmmmmmmmm, HMMMM!
:drool:
(Total setup for TriSec)
:: napoleon dynamite :: LUUCKY!
Comment by wickedpam on 07/25/2008 15:24:12
I almost spit my water all over my new keyboard!
wickedpam on 07/25/2008 15:24:12
I almost spit my water all over my new keyboard!
Comment by livingonli on 07/25/2008 15:28:38
:lol:
livingonli on 07/25/2008 15:28:38
Quote by starling310:
Since the wRight wing has been crying that "He was taking a victory lap. He's being arrogant. . . blah, blah, blah " I hope that when Barack wins, he literally does an 'End Zone' dance and yells "In your face."
Followed of course by a
----> Barack
:lol:
Comment by capt on 07/25/2008 15:29:24
capt on 07/25/2008 15:29:24
The new meme - Barack was vague?
So if he talked about specific issues domestic or international he would have been over the line yet he was vague?
The M$M is HIGH-Larry-US
So if he talked about specific issues domestic or international he would have been over the line yet he was vague?
The M$M is HIGH-Larry-US
Comment by starling310 on 07/25/2008 15:29:57
Mala, I say a lot of funny things. I'm sorry, you'll have to be more specific!
starling310 on 07/25/2008 15:29:57
Quote by wickedpam:
Mala, I say a lot of funny things. I'm sorry, you'll have to be more specific!
Comment by capt on 07/25/2008 15:32:58
capt on 07/25/2008 15:32:58
Obama, Vague on Issues, Pleases Crowd in Europe
The old gray lady ain't what she used to be.
As if as a candidate he should have been specific about anything? He doesn't have the authority. . . yet.
The old gray lady ain't what she used to be.
As if as a candidate he should have been specific about anything? He doesn't have the authority. . . yet.
Comment by velveeta jones on 07/25/2008 15:33:12
;)
velveeta jones on 07/25/2008 15:33:12
Quote by starling310:Quote by velveeta jones:
I'm eating Aunt Azalea's delicious pie!! Hmmmmmmmmmmm, HMMMM!
:drool:
(Total setup for TriSec)
:: napoleon dynamite :: LUUCKY!
;)
Comment by wickedpam on 07/25/2008 15:34:14
So humble :p
I just had this image, thanks to you, of Obama on election night accepting Grampy's congratulations graciously then just goin' "HA! In Your Face!"
wickedpam on 07/25/2008 15:34:14
Quote by starling310:Quote by wickedpam:
Mala, I say a lot of funny things. I'm sorry, you'll have to be more specific!
So humble :p
I just had this image, thanks to you, of Obama on election night accepting Grampy's congratulations graciously then just goin' "HA! In Your Face!"
Comment by velveeta jones on 07/25/2008 15:34:37
velveeta jones on 07/25/2008 15:34:37
Off to work! So sorry that I missed Ian!! I was taking my dog for a walk, I hope someone will post? Yes?
Comment by livingonli on 07/25/2008 15:36:26
livingonli on 07/25/2008 15:36:26
Right-wing caller.
So, is he one of the people that the RNC is getting to phone-in to talk shows?
So, is he one of the people that the RNC is getting to phone-in to talk shows?
Comment by livingonli on 07/25/2008 15:37:15
livingonli on 07/25/2008 15:37:15
I'm not a wwhhhiiinnneeerrrr! 
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/25/2008 15:37:28
Mondobubba on 07/25/2008 15:37:28
Comment by wickedpam on 07/25/2008 15:37:43
wickedpam on 07/25/2008 15:37:43
WHat is with all the right winger callers to the shows lately
Comment by Raine on 07/25/2008 15:39:05
:usa: :usa:
Raine on 07/25/2008 15:39:05
:usa:
Comment by Raine on 07/25/2008 15:39:42
Raine on 07/25/2008 15:39:42
Ben Stein is a tool.
Comment by capt on 07/25/2008 15:40:05
The caller is a real head-case.
I lack the ability to make any sense from what some people say. I think they are stuck in a word game mentality - they are dead set in their thinking so all that is left is word games. They think they are smarter and better than anybody that doesn't think like them. They assume their superior position is absolute and correct so they just do their best Perry Mason moment made from whole cloth.
capt on 07/25/2008 15:40:05
Quote by livingonli:
Right-wing caller.
So, is he one of the people that the RNC is getting to phone-in to talk shows?
The caller is a real head-case.
I lack the ability to make any sense from what some people say. I think they are stuck in a word game mentality - they are dead set in their thinking so all that is left is word games. They think they are smarter and better than anybody that doesn't think like them. They assume their superior position is absolute and correct so they just do their best Perry Mason moment made from whole cloth.
Comment by capt on 07/25/2008 15:42:16
Fun with reading things wrong . . .
I saw - Ben Stein is a stool
Even though I know I read it wrong I had to wonder whether stool was a little chair or crap?
I crack myself up in my head. Just had to share .
capt on 07/25/2008 15:42:16
Quote by Raine:
Ben Stein is a tool.
Fun with reading things wrong . . .
I saw - Ben Stein is a stool
Even though I know I read it wrong I had to wonder whether stool was a little chair or crap?
I crack myself up in my head. Just had to share .
Comment by starling310 on 07/25/2008 15:43:32
They are in Panic Mode.
starling310 on 07/25/2008 15:43:32
Quote by wickedpam:
WHat is with all the right winger callers to the shows lately
They are in Panic Mode.
Comment by wickedpam on 07/25/2008 15:45:22
Must be the heat bringing them all out
wickedpam on 07/25/2008 15:45:22
Quote by starling310:Quote by wickedpam:
WHat is with all the right winger callers to the shows lately
They are in Panic Mode.
Must be the heat bringing them all out
Comment by starling310 on 07/25/2008 15:47:19
starling310 on 07/25/2008 15:47:19
Comment by capt on 07/25/2008 15:48:15
They better be, change is a comin'
If their brand was dog food it would be pulled off the shelf. The whole perversion of conservativism that Bush brought to the party has been their undoing.
That is what happens when they are so convinced and unyielding to reality. Remember they used to say they made their own reality? They did but a fabrication cannot stand the test of time. (Newton's 2nd law of thermodynamics)
capt on 07/25/2008 15:48:15
Quote by starling310:Quote by wickedpam:
WHat is with all the right winger callers to the shows lately
They are in Panic Mode.
They better be, change is a comin'
If their brand was dog food it would be pulled off the shelf. The whole perversion of conservativism that Bush brought to the party has been their undoing.
That is what happens when they are so convinced and unyielding to reality. Remember they used to say they made their own reality? They did but a fabrication cannot stand the test of time. (Newton's 2nd law of thermodynamics)
Comment by capt on 07/25/2008 15:50:11
capt on 07/25/2008 15:50:11
If McCain gave a speech to a coffee shop in Hamburg they would have lionized him.
Good old M$M.
Good old M$M.
Comment by starling310 on 07/25/2008 15:50:32
starling310 on 07/25/2008 15:50:32
Momma has a really hard time with ANY dead air.
Sheesh.
If it takes a second for the clip to go, that's ok!
Sheesh.
If it takes a second for the clip to go, that's ok!
Comment by wickedpam on 07/25/2008 15:51:48
wickedpam on 07/25/2008 15:51:48
"Clanging Chimes of Doom" - Do they know it's Christmas? Good pull Chris.
Comment by capt on 07/25/2008 15:52:33
capt on 07/25/2008 15:52:33
The gay sausage bit!
Comment by livingonli on 07/25/2008 15:54:39
livingonli on 07/25/2008 15:54:39
Comment by capt on 07/25/2008 15:55:43
capt on 07/25/2008 15:55:43
The Wringer callers are playing word games. It strains me to be entertained by that.
I'm not saying they shouldn't take calls like that but I think they sould mock more and make it into more comedy of the absurd. (I guess they are already doing that)
How can those caller be serious or sincere?
I'm not saying they shouldn't take calls like that but I think they sould mock more and make it into more comedy of the absurd. (I guess they are already doing that)
How can those caller be serious or sincere?
Comment by Raine on 07/25/2008 15:57:28
Raine on 07/25/2008 15:57:28
Wasn't Ben Stein Nixon's Speechwriter?
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/25/2008 15:57:51
Funny thing that, since MSNBC has always been in the extended digital line up here. Weird. :foil:
Mondobubba on 07/25/2008 15:57:51
Quote by livingonli:
Do you smell a political rat in Comcrap moving MSNBC to digital?
Funny thing that, since MSNBC has always been in the extended digital line up here. Weird. :foil:
Comment by capt on 07/25/2008 15:58:08
Out local Comcast is the worst - we used them for about a year - then Dishnet - Dishnet has been the best - tried DirectTV - they are crooks and their customer non-service sets the standard for non-service.
You know Comcast has been blocking bitorrent content - some big stink about that.
capt on 07/25/2008 15:58:08
Quote by livingonli:
Do you smell a political rat in Comcrap moving MSNBC to digital?
Out local Comcast is the worst - we used them for about a year - then Dishnet - Dishnet has been the best - tried DirectTV - they are crooks and their customer non-service sets the standard for non-service.
You know Comcast has been blocking bitorrent content - some big stink about that.
Comment by Raine on 07/25/2008 15:58:08
Raine on 07/25/2008 15:58:08
Comment by starling310 on 07/25/2008 15:58:24
This is what I was talking about. And, it does seem fishy!
starling310 on 07/25/2008 15:58:24
Quote by livingonli:
Do you smell a political rat in Comcrap moving MSNBC to digital?
This is what I was talking about. And, it does seem fishy!
Comment by capt on 07/25/2008 15:58:53
One of them - on staff I think.
He is a kook.
capt on 07/25/2008 15:58:53
Quote by Raine:
Wasn't Ben Stein Nixon's Speechwriter?
One of them - on staff I think.
He is a kook.
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/25/2008 15:59:18
Yeah he was! A junior one, but a speech writer none the less.
Mondobubba on 07/25/2008 15:59:18
Quote by Raine:
Wasn't Ben Stein Nixon's Speechwriter?
Yeah he was! A junior one, but a speech writer none the less.
Comment by Raine on 07/25/2008 16:01:38
Ahhh ... interesting then that the caller mentioned she saw him speak at the LA Coloseum.... hmmm... Can't believe it, but Stein might be a tad hypocritical here.
Just a smidge.
Raine on 07/25/2008 16:01:38
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
Wasn't Ben Stein Nixon's Speechwriter?
Yeah he was! A junior one, but a speech writer none the less.
Ahhh ... interesting then that the caller mentioned she saw him speak at the LA Coloseum.... hmmm... Can't believe it, but Stein might be a tad hypocritical here.
Just a smidge.
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/25/2008 16:02:28
"Win Ben Stein's Money" was fun.
Mondobubba on 07/25/2008 16:02:28
Quote by capt:Quote by Raine:
Wasn't Ben Stein Nixon's Speechwriter?
One of them - on staff I think.
He is a kook.
"Win Ben Stein's Money" was fun.
Comment by capt on 07/25/2008 16:02:51
capt on 07/25/2008 16:02:51
Wiki:
Stein has publicly denounced the theory of evolution, which he and other intelligent design advocates term "Darwinism", declaring it to be "a painful, bloody chapter in the history of ideologies", "the most compelling argument yet for Imperialism", and the inspiration for the Holocaust
Comment by capt on 07/25/2008 16:04:00
capt on 07/25/2008 16:04:00
Ben Stein and Joe Lieberman go to the same voice coach. . .
Comment by Raine on 07/25/2008 16:07:51
Raine on 07/25/2008 16:07:51
Comment by Scoopster on 07/25/2008 16:07:59
Scoopster on 07/25/2008 16:07:59
Ooof.. bloggie's back!
I got all tied up with work and just noticed flashed me! Oooh baby! 
I got all tied up with work and just noticed
flashed me! Oooh baby!
Comment by livingonli on 07/25/2008 16:08:25
Until recently, MSNBC was on digital on some systems while on extended basic in others but now it looks like Comcrap is moving MSNBC to digital across the board requiring everyone to pay for a digital package to get it. Comcast is wanting to play games with programmers while insisting that other providers carry the channels they own in favorable tiers especially in the cases with Versus and The Golf Channel.
livingonli on 07/25/2008 16:08:25
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by livingonli:
Do you smell a political rat in Comcrap moving MSNBC to digital?
Funny thing that, since MSNBC has always been in the extended digital line up here. Weird. :foil:
Until recently, MSNBC was on digital on some systems while on extended basic in others but now it looks like Comcrap is moving MSNBC to digital across the board requiring everyone to pay for a digital package to get it. Comcast is wanting to play games with programmers while insisting that other providers carry the channels they own in favorable tiers especially in the cases with Versus and The Golf Channel.
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/25/2008 16:08:56
You know that would be social Darwinism, not Darwinian evolution. Nice Ben. Very sophist of you. Douchebag.
Mondobubba on 07/25/2008 16:08:56
Quote by capt:
Wiki:Stein has publicly denounced the theory of evolution, which he and other intelligent design advocates term "Darwinism", declaring it to be "a painful, bloody chapter in the history of ideologies", "the most compelling argument yet for Imperialism", and the inspiration for the Holocaust
You know that would be social Darwinism, not Darwinian evolution. Nice Ben. Very sophist of you. Douchebag.
Comment by capt on 07/25/2008 16:09:13
capt on 07/25/2008 16:09:13
THE COSTS OF MAJOR U.S. WARS
U.S. military spending on the war in Iraq has nearly matched the cost
of the war in Vietnam, according to a new Congressional Research
Service analysis of the financial costs of wars throughout U.S.
history. And total post-9/11 U.S. military spending has exceeded the
cost of Vietnam by a considerable margin.
The ongoing war in Iraq has incurred an estimated $648 billion to date,
and total post-9/11 military spending including the Iraq War,
Afghanistan and other terrorism-related military expenditures has
reached $859 billion, the CRS reported.
The Vietnam War (1965-1975) cost an estimated $686 billion in 2008
dollars, the CRS said.
The total cost of the American Revolution (1775-1783) was $101 million,
or about $1.8 billion in 2008 dollars.
The cost of World War II (1941-1945) was about $4.1 trillion in 2008
dollars, and consumed a massive 35.8% of gross domestic product. The
Iraq war represents 1% of GDP today.
These estimates include various caveats and limitations spelled out by
CRS.
"All estimates are of the costs of military operations only and do not
include costs of veterans benefits, interest paid for borrowing money
to finance wars, or assistance to allies," the CRS report indicated.
"Comparisons of costs of wars over a 230 year period... are inherently
problematic," the new report cautioned.
See "Costs of Major U.S. Wars," Congressional Research Service, July
24, 2008:
http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RS22926.pdf
U.S. military spending on the war in Iraq has nearly matched the cost
of the war in Vietnam, according to a new Congressional Research
Service analysis of the financial costs of wars throughout U.S.
history. And total post-9/11 U.S. military spending has exceeded the
cost of Vietnam by a considerable margin.
The ongoing war in Iraq has incurred an estimated $648 billion to date,
and total post-9/11 military spending including the Iraq War,
Afghanistan and other terrorism-related military expenditures has
reached $859 billion, the CRS reported.
The Vietnam War (1965-1975) cost an estimated $686 billion in 2008
dollars, the CRS said.
The total cost of the American Revolution (1775-1783) was $101 million,
or about $1.8 billion in 2008 dollars.
The cost of World War II (1941-1945) was about $4.1 trillion in 2008
dollars, and consumed a massive 35.8% of gross domestic product. The
Iraq war represents 1% of GDP today.
These estimates include various caveats and limitations spelled out by
CRS.
"All estimates are of the costs of military operations only and do not
include costs of veterans benefits, interest paid for borrowing money
to finance wars, or assistance to allies," the CRS report indicated.
"Comparisons of costs of wars over a 230 year period... are inherently
problematic," the new report cautioned.
See "Costs of Major U.S. Wars," Congressional Research Service, July
24, 2008:
http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RS22926.pdf
Comment by starling310 on 07/25/2008 16:09:37
starling310 on 07/25/2008 16:09:37
Quote by Scoopster:
Ooof.. bloggie's back!
I got all tied up with work and just noticed
Comment by livingonli on 07/25/2008 16:10:48
I think the only way that kind of crowd would turn out to see Bush overseas would be in order to stone him.
livingonli on 07/25/2008 16:10:48
I think the only way that kind of crowd would turn out to see Bush overseas would be in order to stone him.
Comment by capt on 07/25/2008 16:11:59
capt on 07/25/2008 16:11:59
I like the Friday's with Bernie.
I don't always agree but he does answer honestly when he can and will tell you if he just doesn't know.
Maybe I have a little socialist in me? (here lemme check)
I don't always agree but he does answer honestly when he can and will tell you if he just doesn't know.
Maybe I have a little socialist in me? (here lemme check)
Comment by starling310 on 07/25/2008 16:14:40
A'friggin'Mazing!!!
starling310 on 07/25/2008 16:14:40
A'friggin'Mazing!!!
Comment by capt on 07/25/2008 16:19:11
Obama = inspiration
McCain = insipidation
capt on 07/25/2008 16:19:11
Quote by starling310:
A'friggin'Mazing!!!
Obama = inspiration
McCain = insipidation
Comment by Raine on 07/25/2008 16:19:13
I swear, I am crying looking at these photos again.
Raine on 07/25/2008 16:19:13
Quote by starling310:
A'friggin'Mazing!!!
Comment by wickedpam on 07/25/2008 16:20:16
It's dusty in here. *sniff*sniff*
wickedpam on 07/25/2008 16:20:16
It's dusty in here. *sniff*sniff*
Comment by Raine on 07/25/2008 16:20:47
The latter leading to Constipation...
Raine on 07/25/2008 16:20:47
Quote by capt:Quote by starling310:
A'friggin'Mazing!!!
Obama = inspiration
McCain = insipidation
Comment by wickedpam on 07/25/2008 16:22:42
wickedpam on 07/25/2008 16:22:42
Hey anyone have a font called Santa'sSleighFull
Comment by starling310 on 07/25/2008 16:23:17
Yeah...woo choppin' these onions is painful. ....
starling310 on 07/25/2008 16:23:17
Quote by wickedpam:
It's dusty in here. *sniff*sniff*
Yeah...woo choppin' these onions is painful. ....
Comment by capt on 07/25/2008 16:24:03
capt on 07/25/2008 16:24:03
SCIAM takes Ben Stein and Expelled apart - it is shameful.
Six Things in Expelled That Ben Stein Doesn't Want You to Know...
Six Things in Expelled That Ben Stein Doesn't Want You to Know...
Comment by capt on 07/25/2008 16:26:28
I don't have it - are you looking for it?
Free here:
http://rfonts.com/font/santas_sleigh.html
capt on 07/25/2008 16:26:28
Quote by wickedpam:
Hey anyone have a font called Santa'sSleighFull
I don't have it - are you looking for it?
Free here:
http://rfonts.com/font/santas_sleigh.html
Comment by BobR on 07/25/2008 16:26:50
Maybe they know that the people who watch MSNBC are willing to pay extra for it. People who watch FAUX News? Doubtful...
BobR on 07/25/2008 16:26:50
Quote by livingonli:
Until recently, MSNBC was on digital on some systems while on extended basic in others but now it looks like Comcrap is moving MSNBC to digital across the board requiring everyone to pay for a digital package to get it. Comcast is wanting to play games with programmers while insisting that other providers carry the channels they own in favorable tiers especially in the cases with Versus and The Golf Channel.
Maybe they know that the people who watch MSNBC are willing to pay extra for it. People who watch FAUX News? Doubtful...
Comment by Raine on 07/25/2008 16:29:01
A supporter of U.S. Republican presidential candidate Senator John McCain stands in front of the hotel of Democratic presidential candidate Senator Barack Obama in Berlin July 24, 2008. (Michael Dalder/Reuters)
Look at that guy, closely.
Raine on 07/25/2008 16:29:01
A supporter of U.S. Republican presidential candidate Senator John McCain stands in front of the hotel of Democratic presidential candidate Senator Barack Obama in Berlin July 24, 2008. (Michael Dalder/Reuters)
Look at that guy, closely.
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/25/2008 16:29:17
:rofl: I'm having a Morning Sedition flashback. Morning Remembrance. "Who's chopping onions?"
Mondobubba on 07/25/2008 16:29:17
Quote by starling310:Quote by wickedpam:
It's dusty in here. *sniff*sniff*
Yeah...woo choppin' these onions is painful. ....
:rofl: I'm having a Morning Sedition flashback. Morning Remembrance. "Who's chopping onions?"
Comment by starling310 on 07/25/2008 16:31:54
Aw.
That's sad.
starling310 on 07/25/2008 16:31:54
Quote by Raine:
A supporter of U.S. Republican presidential candidate Senator John McCain stands in front of the hotel of Democratic presidential candidate Senator Barack Obama in Berlin July 24, 2008. (Michael Dalder/Reuters)
Look at that guy, closely.
Aw.
That's sad.
Comment by Raine on 07/25/2008 16:32:03
Stupid seasonal Allergies.
Raine on 07/25/2008 16:32:03
Quote by starling310:Quote by wickedpam:
It's dusty in here. *sniff*sniff*
Yeah...woo choppin' these onions is painful. ....
Comment by Raine on 07/25/2008 16:34:12
:huh:
Raine on 07/25/2008 16:34:12
:huh:
Comment by capt on 07/25/2008 16:36:34
Crypt-keeper and Mr. Bill with a stick up his backside?
capt on 07/25/2008 16:36:34
Quote by Raine:Republican presidential candidate Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., with Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., right, speaks during a news conference in front of Schmidt's Fudge Haus in Columbus, Ohio, Thursday, July 24, 2008.
:huh:
Crypt-keeper and Mr. Bill with a stick up his backside?
Comment by BobR on 07/25/2008 16:37:50
Lyndsey heard they were packing fudge there.... :rofl:
BobR on 07/25/2008 16:37:50
Quote by Raine:Republican presidential candidate Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., with Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., right, speaks during a news conference in front of Schmidt's Fudge Haus in Columbus, Ohio, Thursday, July 24, 2008.
:huh:
Lyndsey heard they were packing fudge there.... :rofl:
Comment by starling310 on 07/25/2008 16:38:21
starling310 on 07/25/2008 16:38:21
Yeah, that's when Bernie makes me a little mad.
I am not paranoid by nature. But, I don't put it past Bush to declare Marshall Law.
I am not paranoid by nature. But, I don't put it past Bush to declare Marshall Law.
Comment by wickedpam on 07/25/2008 16:38:50
Does, does he only have half a beard?
wickedpam on 07/25/2008 16:38:50
Quote by Raine:
A supporter of U.S. Republican presidential candidate Senator John McCain stands in front of the hotel of Democratic presidential candidate Senator Barack Obama in Berlin July 24, 2008. (Michael Dalder/Reuters)
Look at that guy, closely.
Does, does he only have half a beard?
Comment by BobR on 07/25/2008 16:41:57
I think it's hillarious that he designed that fabulous sign using Microsoft Word, printed them out and slipped them into page protectors before hanging them from his umbrella.
I saw another picture (perhaps at the Spiegle link) that really brought out the hideous colors of the umbrella, and it had brown smears on it as well.
Of what, I have no idea...
BobR on 07/25/2008 16:41:57
Quote by Raine:
A supporter of U.S. Republican presidential candidate Senator John McCain stands in front of the hotel of Democratic presidential candidate Senator Barack Obama in Berlin July 24, 2008. (Michael Dalder/Reuters)
Look at that guy, closely.
I think it's hillarious that he designed that fabulous sign using Microsoft Word, printed them out and slipped them into page protectors before hanging them from his umbrella.
I saw another picture (perhaps at the Spiegle link) that really brought out the hideous colors of the umbrella, and it had brown smears on it as well.
Of what, I have no idea...
Comment by capt on 07/25/2008 16:43:22
OM effin G - I swear I didn't see the "Fudge Haus" -
capt on 07/25/2008 16:43:22
Quote by BobR:Quote by Raine:Republican presidential candidate Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., with Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., right, speaks during a news conference in front of Schmidt's Fudge Haus in Columbus, Ohio, Thursday, July 24, 2008.
:huh:
Lyndsey heard they were packing fudge there.... :rofl:
OM effin G - I swear I didn't see the "Fudge Haus" -
Comment by capt on 07/25/2008 16:44:51
capt on 07/25/2008 16:44:51
Half beards went out of style with the yellow onions on the belt.
Comment by Raine on 07/25/2008 16:45:19
Yes, ... he does.
Another caller get's thru with the stupid right wing talking points. oofa...
Raine on 07/25/2008 16:45:19
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
A supporter of U.S. Republican presidential candidate Senator John McCain stands in front of the hotel of Democratic presidential candidate Senator Barack Obama in Berlin July 24, 2008. (Michael Dalder/Reuters)
Look at that guy, closely.
Does, does he only have half a beard?
Another caller get's thru with the stupid right wing talking points. oofa...
Comment by TriSec on 07/25/2008 16:46:59
TriSec on 07/25/2008 16:46:59
Comcast recently changed MSNBC somehow here in Waltham.
I have a 1980s vintage "cable ready" TV that we use in the upstairs bedroom. Up until about a week ago, I could get MSNBC without a fuss. It's just a staticky mess now.
Of course, it still works on the big TV with the cable box...
I have a 1980s vintage "cable ready" TV that we use in the upstairs bedroom. Up until about a week ago, I could get MSNBC without a fuss. It's just a staticky mess now.
Of course, it still works on the big TV with the cable box...
Comment by TriSec on 07/25/2008 16:49:29
TriSec on 07/25/2008 16:49:29
Guess who we're going to get some face time with Monday morning?
A Red Sox Kid Nation event at Fenway Park....and Javi's name was selected in this month's drawing!
A Red Sox Kid Nation event at Fenway Park....and Javi's name was selected in this month's drawing!
Comment by Raine on 07/25/2008 16:49:41
Raine on 07/25/2008 16:49:41
*People* interviewed John McCain...
He really knows how to make a girl swoon. <_<
What about Cindy? What's the last romantic thing you've done for her?
Let's see ... Over the weekend we ordered out, which nice. Chinese. Didn't have to entertain anybody. Didn't have to have a political conversation. Didn't have to ask for any money.
You're not a flowers and diamonds kind of guy?
You know, I have not missed one of those occasions because I'm very blessed to have staff that reminds me (laughs).
Well, that cat's out of the bag now, if Cindy didn't already know.
We've got to have some straight talk!
He really knows how to make a girl swoon. <_<
Comment by Raine on 07/25/2008 16:50:54
Raine on 07/25/2008 16:50:54
Yay Javi!!! 
Comment by capt on 07/25/2008 16:54:30
capt on 07/25/2008 16:54:30
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/25/2008 16:59:33
:metal: :metal: SWEET!
Mondobubba on 07/25/2008 16:59:33
Quote by TriSec:
Guess who we're going to get some face time with Monday morning?
A Red Sox Kid Nation event at Fenway Park....and Javi's name was selected in this month's drawing!
:metal:
:metal: SWEET!
Comment by capt on 07/25/2008 16:59:55
capt on 07/25/2008 16:59:55
Here is a very cool thingy:
http://bravenation.com/?utm_source=aclu
Check it out. There is hope my friends, real and tangible.
http://bravenation.com/?utm_source=aclu
Check it out. There is hope my friends, real and tangible.
Comment by wickedpam on 07/25/2008 17:12:09
I don't know what that is but YEAH JAVI!
wickedpam on 07/25/2008 17:12:09
Quote by TriSec:
Guess who we're going to get some face time with Monday morning?
A Red Sox Kid Nation event at Fenway Park....and Javi's name was selected in this month's drawing!
I don't know what that is but YEAH JAVI!
Comment by capt on 07/25/2008 18:22:27
capt on 07/25/2008 18:22:27
When we send our young men and women into harm’s way, we have a solemn obligation not to fudge the numbers or shade the truth about why they’re going, to care for their families while they’re gone, to tend to the soldiers upon their return, and to never ever go to war without enough troops to win the war, secure the peace, and earn the respect of the world.
Barack Obama
2004 Democratic Convention Keynote Address
Comment by capt on 07/25/2008 18:25:03
capt on 07/25/2008 18:25:03
The crazy folks that send these emails have to make up something outrageous - who would read a fake email that says something like - I played cards with Barry Obama and he didn't cheat!
Comment by capt on 07/25/2008 18:28:06
capt on 07/25/2008 18:28:06
HA HA! I'm all alone *strips* grabs feather boa *dancing*
LA LA LA
LA LA LA
Comment by capt on 07/25/2008 18:32:41
capt on 07/25/2008 18:32:41
Comment by wickedpam on 07/25/2008 18:46:30
wickedpam on 07/25/2008 18:46:30
busted!
Comment by capt on 07/25/2008 18:51:43
An email from Obama . . .
capt on 07/25/2008 18:51:43
Are you ready to take the next step?
Thanks to committed supporters like you, this campaign is building an organization in all 50 states. You are going distances no one thought possible.
We cannot let up now. Our success in November hinges on you and millions of other Americans who choose to own a big piece of this campaign.
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It couldn't be easier. We've created a fundraising tool that allows you to create a personal page, set a goal, and reach out to your friends and family. A thermometer will track your fundraising progress so that you can watch your contribution to the campaign grow.
Learn more about personal fundraising and get started today:
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An email from Obama . . .
Comment by capt on 07/25/2008 18:52:33
capt on 07/25/2008 18:52:33
Comment by wickedpam on 07/25/2008 18:55:14
wickedpam on 07/25/2008 18:55:14
Don't ya hate that :lol:
Comment by capt on 07/25/2008 19:00:28
capt on 07/25/2008 19:00:28
I was exercising - working out, um doing push ups. Yeah THAT's it! *drops feather boa*
Comment by wickedpam on 07/25/2008 19:03:29
wickedpam on 07/25/2008 19:03:29
Repug don't want to let some of the oil out of the reserve but they want to "drill" offshore, dig for more coal, or create more nuclear power.
I ask - why are they living in the past?
I ask - why are they living in the past?
Comment by capt on 07/25/2008 19:03:38
NBC's Williams confirms, McCain didn't (invite) him to come on trip
capt on 07/25/2008 19:03:38
NBC's Williams confirms, McCain didn't (invite) him to come on trip
Comment by Scoopster on 07/25/2008 19:19:02
Scoopster on 07/25/2008 19:19:02
... bloggie's been actin' funny today.
Ack and it didn't post my thingee like two hours ago either!
Ack and it didn't post my thingee like two hours ago either!
Comment by capt on 07/25/2008 19:19:02
Watch what is being said and by whom, the politicians are talking about "drilling" the oil companies are talking about "leases" - if the oil companies talked about drilling we could ask why they aren't drilling in the millions of acres of leases they are holding. We could ask the politicians the same thing if they spoke to leases instead of drilling.
UGH!
capt on 07/25/2008 19:19:02
Quote by wickedpam:
Repug don't want to let some of the oil out of the reserve but they want to "drill" offshore, dig for more coal, or create more nuclear power.
I ask - why are they living in the past?
Watch what is being said and by whom, the politicians are talking about "drilling" the oil companies are talking about "leases" - if the oil companies talked about drilling we could ask why they aren't drilling in the millions of acres of leases they are holding. We could ask the politicians the same thing if they spoke to leases instead of drilling.
UGH!
Comment by wickedpam on 07/25/2008 19:21:48
wickedpam on 07/25/2008 19:21:48
THink it's the server acting all weird
Comment by Raine on 07/25/2008 19:22:07
Raine on 07/25/2008 19:22:07
/Hello/
So we are back up... Finally? This is really starting to 'tate me.
So we are back up... Finally? This is really starting to 'tate me.
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/25/2008 19:25:08
I've been asking myself that question, Mala. I think it has something to do with the root idea of conservative. They essentially look to the past for answers. They want to conserve. So they look for the extractive bidness, coal, oil, natural gas. These are the ones they get. You have remember that all alternative energy research stopped as of October 1 1981 when Reagan's first budget took effect. St Ronnie of the Many Municipal Buildings was against that government R&D into things like solar, wind, syn-fuels etc. So we lost eight year of R&D there. Another four under Bush 41. So there ya have it, something else that is all Dutch's fault. That twenty years after his presidency we are still paying for.
Mondobubba on 07/25/2008 19:25:08
Quote by wickedpam:
Repug don't want to let some of the oil out of the reserve but they want to "drill" offshore, dig for more coal, or create more nuclear power.
I ask - why are they living in the past?
I've been asking myself that question, Mala. I think it has something to do with the root idea of conservative. They essentially look to the past for answers. They want to conserve. So they look for the extractive bidness, coal, oil, natural gas. These are the ones they get. You have remember that all alternative energy research stopped as of October 1 1981 when Reagan's first budget took effect. St Ronnie of the Many Municipal Buildings was against that government R&D into things like solar, wind, syn-fuels etc. So we lost eight year of R&D there. Another four under Bush 41. So there ya have it, something else that is all Dutch's fault. That twenty years after his presidency we are still paying for.
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/25/2008 19:30:49
In Churman no less! :rofl:
Mondobubba on 07/25/2008 19:30:49
Quote by capt:
In Churman no less! :rofl:
Comment by capt on 07/25/2008 19:38:27
The chief weapon of sea pirates, however, was their capacity to astonish. Nobody else could believe, until it was too late, how heartless and greedy they were.
~ Kurt Vonnegut (1922 - 2007), Breakfast of Champions
capt on 07/25/2008 19:38:27
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam:
Repug don't want to let some of the oil out of the reserve but they want to "drill" offshore, dig for more coal, or create more nuclear power.
I ask - why are they living in the past?
I've been asking myself that question, Mala. I think it has something to do with the root idea of conservative. They essentially look to the past for answers. They want to conserve. So they look for the extractive bidness, coal, oil, natural gas. These are the ones they get. You have remember that all alternative energy research stopped as of October 1 1981 when Reagan's first budget took effect. St Ronnie of the Many Municipal Buildings was against that government R&D into things like solar, wind, syn-fuels etc. So we lost eight year of R&D there. Another four under Bush 41. So there ya have it, something else that is all Dutch's fault. That twenty years after his presidency we are still paying for.
The chief weapon of sea pirates, however, was their capacity to astonish. Nobody else could believe, until it was too late, how heartless and greedy they were.
~ Kurt Vonnegut (1922 - 2007), Breakfast of Champions
Comment by capt on 07/25/2008 19:41:49
capt on 07/25/2008 19:41:49
Katzenjammer = cat misery?
Comment by BobR on 07/25/2008 19:43:43
Ronnie also took the solar panels off of the White House roof, probably because Carter had set them up.
BobR on 07/25/2008 19:43:43
Quote by Mondobubba:
I've been asking myself that question, Mala. I think it has something to do with the root idea of conservative. They essentially look to the past for answers. They want to conserve. So they look for the extractive bidness, coal, oil, natural gas. These are the ones they get. You have remember that all alternative energy research stopped as of October 1 1981 when Reagan's first budget took effect. St Ronnie of the Many Municipal Buildings was against that government R&D into things like solar, wind, syn-fuels etc. So we lost eight year of R&D there. Another four under Bush 41. So there ya have it, something else that is all Dutch's fault. That twenty years after his presidency we are still paying for.
Ronnie also took the solar panels off of the White House roof, probably because Carter had set them up.
Comment by Scoopster on 07/25/2008 19:45:17
Scoopster on 07/25/2008 19:45:17
I was watching a little C-Span during my getaway (it was one of three channels on the cable at the family compound that I would actually watch, the rest is garbage TV), and there were Repub reps on the floor of the House talking about mining for oil shale, drilling off the coast, all kinds of stuff to do while we work on getting alternative energy up and running.
The way these idiots talk, you'd think a new oil platform that started construction today and could pump oil in 10 years would be providing energy faster, or a strip mine for oil shale would be able to come close to producing the same quantity of energy as say.. a wind farm that can be constructed from the fiberglass mold to operating condition in less than two years.
The way these idiots talk, you'd think a new oil platform that started construction today and could pump oil in 10 years would be providing energy faster, or a strip mine for oil shale would be able to come close to producing the same quantity of energy as say.. a wind farm that can be constructed from the fiberglass mold to operating condition in less than two years.
Comment by wickedpam on 07/25/2008 19:45:33
I swear I can see that we are on the verge of a Green Revolution - it's gonna create companies of the future like the industrial revolution did. I don't understand why people wouldn't want to invest and make money in that instead of the finite ways to make money from the past.
wickedpam on 07/25/2008 19:45:33
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam:
Repug don't want to let some of the oil out of the reserve but they want to "drill" offshore, dig for more coal, or create more nuclear power.
I ask - why are they living in the past?
I've been asking myself that question, Mala. I think it has something to do with the root idea of conservative. They essentially look to the past for answers. They want to conserve. So they look for the extractive bidness, coal, oil, natural gas. These are the ones they get. You have remember that all alternative energy research stopped as of October 1 1981 when Reagan's first budget took effect. St Ronnie of the Many Municipal Buildings was against that government R&D into things like solar, wind, syn-fuels etc. So we lost eight year of R&D there. Another four under Bush 41. So there ya have it, something else that is all Dutch's fault. That twenty years after his presidency we are still paying for.
I swear I can see that we are on the verge of a Green Revolution - it's gonna create companies of the future like the industrial revolution did. I don't understand why people wouldn't want to invest and make money in that instead of the finite ways to make money from the past.
Comment by capt on 07/25/2008 19:48:11
capt on 07/25/2008 19:48:11
Right - wingnut callers:
Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before... He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way.
~ Kurt Vonnegut, "Cat's Cradle"
Comment by wickedpam on 07/25/2008 19:49:00
Katzen = cats
jammer = lamentation
when I put Katzenjammer into the translater I get Blues
wickedpam on 07/25/2008 19:49:00
Quote by capt:
Katzenjammer = cat misery?
Katzen = cats
jammer = lamentation
when I put Katzenjammer into the translater I get Blues
Comment by capt on 07/25/2008 19:50:30
capt on 07/25/2008 19:50:30
Carter had a plan for 25% renewables - Reagan killed it too. . .
No wonder the idiots worship him, he was really the biggest asshole on the planet at the time . . .
No wonder the idiots worship him, he was really the biggest asshole on the planet at the time . . .
Comment by BobR on 07/25/2008 19:59:24
more like cat mayhem
BobR on 07/25/2008 19:59:24
Quote by capt:
Katzenjammer = cat misery?
more like cat mayhem
Comment by capt on 07/25/2008 20:00:07
I get "cat misery" when I put it as one word into Babelfish?
http://babelfish.yahoo.com
capt on 07/25/2008 20:00:07
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by capt:
Katzenjammer = cat misery?
Katzen = cats
jammer = lamentation
when I put Katzenjammer into the translater I get Blues
I get "cat misery" when I put it as one word into Babelfish?
http://babelfish.yahoo.com
Comment by Raine on 07/25/2008 20:02:57
I saw that debate. It was a stunner the stupitity that came from the mouths of the people.
Raine on 07/25/2008 20:02:57
Quote by Scoopster:
I was watching a little C-Span during my getaway (it was one of three channels on the cable at the family compound that I would actually watch, the rest is garbage TV), and there were Repub reps on the floor of the House talking about mining for oil shale, drilling off the coast, all kinds of stuff to do while we work on getting alternative energy up and running.
The way these idiots talk, you'd think a new oil platform that started construction today and could pump oil in 10 years would be providing energy faster, or a strip mine for oil shale would be able to come close to producing the same quantity of energy as say.. a wind farm that can be constructed from the fiberglass mold to operating condition in less than two years.
Comment by capt on 07/25/2008 20:08:00
capt on 07/25/2008 20:08:00
I never cease being dumbfounded by the unbelievable things people believe.
Leo Rosten (1908 -
Comment by BobR on 07/25/2008 20:09:05
BobR on 07/25/2008 20:09:05
oh c'mon... no one remembers The Katzenjammer Kids?
Katzenjammer means contrition after a failed endeavour or hangover in German.
Comment by Raine on 07/25/2008 20:14:05
Raine on 07/25/2008 20:14:05
HArrison is quite a handsome fellow, I just went over to his website. He has also me a lot of people.
Comment by capt on 07/25/2008 20:18:41
capt on 07/25/2008 20:18:41
Comment by capt on 07/25/2008 20:26:31
Still translates as "cats misery" in bablefish - probably like "bear-bite" a nickname for a hangover? Babelfish is very literal and so is not a translator for how a word is used in the culture. Babelfish will translate the English word "chick" into the word for chicken. And the common phrase for my "girlfriend" in French is literally "my little cabbage."
Per Wiki:
capt on 07/25/2008 20:26:31
Quote by BobR:
oh c'mon... no one remembers The Katzenjammer Kids?Katzenjammer means contrition after a failed endeavour or hangover in German.
Still translates as "cats misery" in bablefish - probably like "bear-bite" a nickname for a hangover? Babelfish is very literal and so is not a translator for how a word is used in the culture. Babelfish will translate the English word "chick" into the word for chicken. And the common phrase for my "girlfriend" in French is literally "my little cabbage."
Per Wiki:
The word katzenjammer is German, used to indicate a general state of confusion or bewilderment. It's commonly used in reference to a hangover. The literal translation is "wailing cat."
Comment by Random on 07/25/2008 20:34:10
Random on 07/25/2008 20:34:10
*falls asleep on blog*
Comment by capt on 07/25/2008 20:34:48
capt on 07/25/2008 20:34:48
Food industry bitten by its lobbying success
So the food industry has held up an electronic system for tracing stuff like people getting sick from tomatoes yet . . .
Tomato growers push for compensation over FDA warning on salmonella
So, if I understand this, the tomato growers (and others) lobby to stall a new electronic system that could trace produce then when there is a problen they also want to sue the government for taking so long to trace the problem?
Sounds like a heck of a racket?
So the food industry has held up an electronic system for tracing stuff like people getting sick from tomatoes yet . . .
Tomato growers push for compensation over FDA warning on salmonella
So, if I understand this, the tomato growers (and others) lobby to stall a new electronic system that could trace produce then when there is a problen they also want to sue the government for taking so long to trace the problem?
Sounds like a heck of a racket?
Comment by capt on 07/25/2008 20:39:35
capt on 07/25/2008 20:39:35
Quote by Random:
*falls asleep on blog*
Comment by capt on 07/25/2008 20:53:17
capt on 07/25/2008 20:53:17
The Wolf Blitzer interview of McCain running on CNN right now - 4.20 PM EST - might be a turning point for US media.
For the first time, a major television personality did not let McCain squirm away from answering a direct question. And McCain is doing a dead-on imitation of a delusional Bush.
Mac is claiming flat out that Maliki will simply not ask him to withdraw US troops - because he knows Maliki so well that this is simply inconceivable.
Interestingly, McCain tried to evade the question initially by giving a rambling, Grandpa Simpson non-answer that was aimed at bamboozling Wolf from pressing on with the question.
So Wolf did something highly unusual - he repeated the question.
And McCain claimed he simply knows Maliki will not ask him to withdraw the troops.
Could he get any closer to Bush and his "I know Putin's soul" fiasco?
(kos)
For the first time, a major television personality did not let McCain squirm away from answering a direct question. And McCain is doing a dead-on imitation of a delusional Bush.
Mac is claiming flat out that Maliki will simply not ask him to withdraw US troops - because he knows Maliki so well that this is simply inconceivable.
Interestingly, McCain tried to evade the question initially by giving a rambling, Grandpa Simpson non-answer that was aimed at bamboozling Wolf from pressing on with the question.
So Wolf did something highly unusual - he repeated the question.
And McCain claimed he simply knows Maliki will not ask him to withdraw the troops.
Could he get any closer to Bush and his "I know Putin's soul" fiasco?
(kos)
Comment by Random on 07/25/2008 21:01:51
*bites*
Random on 07/25/2008 21:01:51
Quote by capt:Quote by Random:
*falls asleep on blog*
*bites*
Comment by capt on 07/25/2008 21:06:07
*runs screaming like a girl*
capt on 07/25/2008 21:06:07
Quote by Random:Quote by capt:Quote by Random:
*falls asleep on blog*
*bites*
*runs screaming like a girl*
Comment by Raine on 07/25/2008 21:26:26
About time Wolf decided to be a reporter. 
Raine on 07/25/2008 21:26:26
Quote by capt:
The Wolf Blitzer interview of McCain running on CNN right now - 4.20 PM EST - might be a turning point for US media.
For the first time, a major television personality did not let McCain squirm away from answering a direct question. And McCain is doing a dead-on imitation of a delusional Bush.
Mac is claiming flat out that Maliki will simply not ask him to withdraw US troops - because he knows Maliki so well that this is simply inconceivable.
Interestingly, McCain tried to evade the question initially by giving a rambling, Grandpa Simpson non-answer that was aimed at bamboozling Wolf from pressing on with the question.
So Wolf did something highly unusual - he repeated the question.
And McCain claimed he simply knows Maliki will not ask him to withdraw the troops.
Could he get any closer to Bush and his "I know Putin's soul" fiasco?
(kos)
Comment by 
trojanrabbit on 07/25/2008 21:30:18
trojanrabbit on 07/25/2008 21:30:18
Hi all. I'm at my destination hotel for the weekend. Unfortunately, the internet access only seems to work outside the room. So it's a quick connect to download today's SMS then I have to go sit and sulk in the room until the rest of the family shows up. If'n I had my druthers I'd be going back home.
Comment by BobR on 07/25/2008 21:41:26
BobR on 07/25/2008 21:41:26
Lizz Winstead will be on the Rachel Maddow show tonight (on AAR).
Also - Rachel Maddow will be at Shoot the Messenger on Mon night, for our NYC area readers!
Also - Rachel Maddow will be at Shoot the Messenger on Mon night, for our NYC area readers!
Comment by Raine on 07/25/2008 21:50:58
Raine on 07/25/2008 21:50:58
It would be awesomely wicket sweet if Chuck D called in tonite! Like old days!!
Comment by Raine on 07/25/2008 22:01:21
Raine on 07/25/2008 22:01:21
:rofl: <--- clikety click for source...
Crawford, TX - George W Bush's official biography will feature a "Horizon of Contents" instead of the traditional "Table of Contents".
"Bush never uses the word 'table'", explained hagiographer Dana Perrino. "He prefers the word 'horizon', as in 'Time Horizon for Leaving Iraq'."
"Likewise, the George W Bush Library will feature 'Reading Horizons' that will support books, newspapers and coffee cups. The library's website will detail its features in convenient 'data horizons', formatted by use of the HTML 'horizon' tag. The cafeteria will even feature a Foosball Horizon!"
A motion by the Library's Trustees to reconsider the language change was swiftly horizoned.
Comment by Raine on 07/25/2008 22:40:13
Raine on 07/25/2008 22:40:13
Go Yankees....
Comment by capt on 07/25/2008 23:00:33
capt on 07/25/2008 23:00:33
The Flip-Flop machine rolls on...
BLITZER: Why do you think [Maliki] said that 16 months is basically a pretty good timetable?
MCCAIN: He said it's a pretty good timetable based on conditions on the ground. I think it's a pretty good timetable, as we should -- or horizons for withdrawal.
Comment by 
clintster on 07/25/2008 23:04:21
Wait... whuwhuwhu... what'd I miss?
Awww, man, of all the days to take the fam to Six Flags. And I have no Stephcast (o495amiybayia ). Somebody fill me in on it.
clintster on 07/25/2008 23:04:21
Quote by m-hadley:
Clintster,
That was for you and Mrs. Clintster (and Ian), sweeties :D
Cheers,
mfaye
:hug:
Wait... whuwhuwhu... what'd I miss?
Awww, man, of all the days to take the fam to Six Flags. And I have no Stephcast (o495amiybayia ). Somebody fill me in on it.
Comment by Raine on 07/25/2008 23:12:05
Raine on 07/25/2008 23:12:05
I have Rach on now. Yup... I actually am steaming AAP... THAT is how much I loves me some Lizz.
Comment by capt on 07/25/2008 23:16:09
Which stream? or are you steaming AAP with peas and carrots?
capt on 07/25/2008 23:16:09
Quote by Raine:
I have Rach on now. Yup... I actually am steaming AAP... THAT is how much I loves me some Lizz.
Which stream? or are you steaming AAP with peas and carrots?
Comment by capt on 07/25/2008 23:21:08
capt on 07/25/2008 23:21:08
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/25/2008 23:55:26
Mondobubba on 07/25/2008 23:55:26
Comment by Raine on 07/25/2008 23:58:40
It used to be the flagship. I have had it on my itunes...
OH... yeah... I see, I said STEAMING... I am a real ass sometimes!!!
Raine on 07/25/2008 23:58:40
Quote by capt:Quote by Raine:
I have Rach on now. Yup... I actually am steaming AAP... THAT is how much I loves me some Lizz.
Which stream? or are you steaming AAP with peas and carrots?
OH... yeah... I see, I said STEAMING...
I am a real ass sometimes!!!
Comment by Raine on 07/26/2008 00:03:53
I missed it... what did they day?
Should I be concerned?
I have a hard time believing this, and even if I did... jeepers... It wasn't davidvitterlarrycraigjimmcgreeveymarcfoley stuff right?
Raine on 07/26/2008 00:03:53
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
Has anyone heard about this?
Steph and the Mooks mentioned it on Wednesday.
Should I be concerned?
I have a hard time believing this, and even if I did... jeepers... It wasn't davidvitterlarrycraigjimmcgreeveymarcfoley stuff right?
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/26/2008 00:29:44
Mondobubba on 07/26/2008 00:29:44
Lizz or KO, KO or Lizz? What to do, what to do?
Comment by Raine on 07/26/2008 00:32:55
Raine on 07/26/2008 00:32:55
Cheezus crisp.
This guy is running for president.
This man who has completed the transformation. I am gonna start calling him Anakin McCain. Seriously. he is Anakin.
This guy is running for president.
This man who has completed the transformation. I am gonna start calling him Anakin McCain. Seriously. he is Anakin.
Comment by Raine on 07/26/2008 00:35:13
DiVo is my friend
I get so little o Lizz. I a going with Lizz.
Raine on 07/26/2008 00:35:13
Quote by Mondobubba:
Lizz or KO, KO or Lizz? What to do, what to do?
DiVo is my friend
I get so little o Lizz. I a going with Lizz.
Comment by Raine on 07/26/2008 00:36:48
Raine on 07/26/2008 00:36:48
:kickcan: I am not gonna be in the city on a monday. I REALLy am bumbed that I cant scope it out when I am in town.
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/26/2008 00:37:00
That was the drift of the conversation tween the three of them.
Mondobubba on 07/26/2008 00:37:00
Quote by Raine:I missed it... what did they day?Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
Has anyone heard about this?
Steph and the Mooks mentioned it on Wednesday.
Should I be concerned?
I have a hard time believing this, and even if I did... jeepers... It wasn't davidvitterlarrycraigjimmcgreeveymarcfoley stuff right?
That was the drift of the conversation tween the three of them.
Comment by Raine on 07/26/2008 00:39:17
Raine on 07/26/2008 00:39:17
:rofl: I so miss Lizz!!!!
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/26/2008 00:41:00
No DiVo! Bob Barr is ripping Bush a new one on KO.
Mondobubba on 07/26/2008 00:41:00
Quote by Raine:Quote by Mondobubba:
Lizz or KO, KO or Lizz? What to do, what to do?
DiVo is my friend
I get so little o Lizz. I a going with Lizz.
No DiVo! Bob Barr is ripping Bush a new one on KO.
Comment by Raine on 07/26/2008 00:41:25
Raine on 07/26/2008 00:41:25
9-12 for JUSTS the senate races....
the gop is screwed.
the gop is screwed.
Comment by Raine on 07/26/2008 00:43:19
Raine on 07/26/2008 00:43:19
:rofl:
Lizz needs to be brought back to radio.
Lizz needs to be brought back to radio.
Comment by clintster on 07/26/2008 00:44:45
clintster on 07/26/2008 00:44:45
Raine, can you give me a rundown on the Ian segment on today's show? I missed it.
Comment by Random on 07/26/2008 00:49:53
Random on 07/26/2008 00:49:53
™
Comment by Raine on 07/26/2008 00:51:16
Raine on 07/26/2008 00:51:16
Awesome question... Bloomberg... bobby jindal chose his name becuase of Bobby grady!!
:rofl:
Off to the ko...
Marcia , Marcia Marcia
With the old UF music!!! swoon!
:rofl:
Off to the ko...
Marcia , Marcia Marcia
With the old UF music!!! swoon!
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/26/2008 01:06:44
Mondobubba on 07/26/2008 01:06:44
Joy! The light uplifting family film that is "Trainspotting."
Comment by Random on 07/26/2008 01:44:48
Random on 07/26/2008 01:44:48
Anyone still here?
Comment by capt on 07/26/2008 01:54:51
capt on 07/26/2008 01:54:51
I'm here.
Comment by capt on 07/26/2008 01:56:47
capt on 07/26/2008 01:56:47
This is what Republican presidential candidate Sen. John McCain (AZ) is using as his Facebook profile shot.
Comment by capt on 07/26/2008 01:58:15
capt on 07/26/2008 01:58:15
Comment by capt on 07/26/2008 02:00:57
capt on 07/26/2008 02:00:57
Matthews: “Did you see FOX television as a tool when you were in the White House? As a useful avenue to get your message out?”
McClellan: “I make a distinction between the journalists and the commentators. Certainly there were commentators and other, pundits at FOX News, that were useful to the White House.” […] That was something we at the White House, yes, were doing, getting them talkng points and making sure they knew where we were coming from.
Matthews: “So you were using these commentators as your spokespeople.”
McClellan: “Well, certainly.”
Comment by velveeta jones on 07/26/2008 02:04:37
velveeta jones on 07/26/2008 02:04:37
:thud:
blogger..............down..................
blogger..............down..................
Comment by capt on 07/26/2008 02:04:56
capt on 07/26/2008 02:04:56
Radio station dropping Michael Savage after controversial remarks about autism
Not good enough. Savage doesn't need to be on any station. Maybe more will follow suit?
Plain Dealer Reporter
Michael Savage's controversial remarks about autistic children have gotten him booted off Cleveland's airwaves.
WHK AM/1420, the only Cleveland-area station carrying Savage's radio talk show, is break ing its contract with Savage's syndicator, Talk Radio Net work, said Mark Jaycox, who manages the Cleveland stations under the Salem Com munications corporate um brella. WHK is owned by Cali fornia-based Sa lem Communi cations.
"This guy's a knucklehead, and I want to get rid of him," Jaycox said.
The Oregon-based Talk Radio Network could not be reached for comment late Thursday afternoon.
Savage's contract with WHK was supposed to extend to 2010.
Not good enough. Savage doesn't need to be on any station. Maybe more will follow suit?
Comment by capt on 07/26/2008 02:06:00
What can I do to help?
capt on 07/26/2008 02:06:00
Quote by velveeta jones:
:thud:
blogger..............down..................
What can I do to help?
Comment by TriSec on 07/26/2008 02:12:41
TriSec on 07/26/2008 02:12:41
Evening, folks. On behalf of all the citizens of the City of Waltham (MA), I hereby apologize for this gentleman.
Although he fought nobly and well for the Union cause, apparently he was one of the founders of the Republican party.
From my city.
:kickcan:
Although he fought nobly and well for the Union cause, apparently he was one of the founders of the Republican party.
From my city.
:kickcan:
Comment by velveeta jones on 07/26/2008 02:15:53
Make me obscenely wealthy so I no longer have to work. That would be just SUPER!!
velveeta jones on 07/26/2008 02:15:53
Quote by capt:Quote by velveeta jones:
:thud:
blogger..............down..................
What can I do to help?
Make me obscenely wealthy so I no longer have to work. That would be just SUPER!!
Comment by capt on 07/26/2008 02:22:32
Okay POOF! (it might not take hold for a little while)
Until the truck arrives think about this:
capt on 07/26/2008 02:22:32
Quote by velveeta jones:Quote by capt:Quote by velveeta jones:
:thud:
blogger..............down..................
What can I do to help?
Make me obscenely wealthy so I no longer have to work. That would be just SUPER!!
Okay POOF! (it might not take hold for a little while)
Until the truck arrives think about this:
Wisdom outweighs any wealth.
Sophocles (496 BC - 406 BC), Antigone
Comment by capt on 07/26/2008 02:25:27
There was a time the Republican party was better - also a time when the Democratic party was the worst of the two.
FWIW
capt on 07/26/2008 02:25:27
Quote by TriSec:
Evening, folks. On behalf of all the citizens of the City of Waltham (MA), I hereby apologize for this gentleman.
Although he fought nobly and well for the Union cause, apparently he was one of the founders of the Republican party.
From my city.
:kickcan:
There was a time the Republican party was better - also a time when the Democratic party was the worst of the two.
FWIW
Comment by Random on 07/26/2008 02:30:52
"The Name's McCain, John...COOKIES!"
Random on 07/26/2008 02:30:52
Quote by capt:
This is what Republican presidential candidate Sen. John McCain (AZ) is using as his Facebook profile shot.
"The Name's McCain, John...COOKIES!"
Comment by BobR on 07/26/2008 03:03:13
BobR on 07/26/2008 03:03:13
Finished most of a 1.5L bottle of Ommengang Hennepin ale (alc 8.5%). Feeling warm and fuzzy... 
Comment by livingonli on 07/26/2008 03:50:22
livingonli on 07/26/2008 03:50:22
Since the server was wigging out before I wasn't able to say anything before I left the hotel. Right now I am at McCarren Airport waiting on JetBlue Flight 196 to take me back to JFK. By the time Tri sees this, I should already be back home. I'm probably going to try and nap on the plane since I have plenty to do when I get home tomorrow.
Alas, I am not a richer man and I share the same wish as Velveeta and that I want enough money so I don't have to work. God, I hate my job and the crappy pay I get.
Alas, I am not a richer man and I share the same wish as Velveeta and that I want enough money so I don't have to work. God, I hate my job and the crappy pay I get.
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/26/2008 04:13:05
S'okay Tri, he is a Free Soiler and anti-sesch.
Mondobubba on 07/26/2008 04:13:05
Quote by TriSec:
Evening, folks. On behalf of all the citizens of the City of Waltham (MA), I hereby apologize for this gentleman.
Although he fought nobly and well for the Union cause, apparently he was one of the founders of the Republican party.
From my city.
:kickcan:
S'okay Tri, he is a Free Soiler and anti-sesch.
Comment by capt on 07/26/2008 12:11:09
capt on 07/26/2008 12:11:09
MSNBC beats on Fox for its 'anti-aging fix' for McCain
(OMG THAT is McCain looking young?) :rofl:
Over a "Beat the Press: Fox Anti-Aging Fix" graphic, Abrams urged, "Take a good look at the senator and the video they use." He then showed a clip in which Fox ran video of a strangely youthful and vigorous-looking McCain at a campaign rally to accompany a story about McCain's current campaign schedule. However, the video also prominently features a sign reading "www.mccain2000.com," which at one point is even waved in front of McCain's face.
"Fox is actually using eight year old video to discuss today's activities," Abrams marveled. He concluded cheerfully, "They report -- you decide."
(OMG THAT is McCain looking young?) :rofl:
Comment by capt on 07/26/2008 12:44:22
I know this might fall on deaf ears but . . .
I know some wealthy people, very wealthy. No addage has ever been more true than "if you aren't happy without money you will not be happy with it" -
Happiness is a mindset, one you have to take charge of with or without money.
Money really doesn't buy happiness but it will buy a higher quality of unhappiness.
capt on 07/26/2008 12:44:22
Quote by livingonli:
Since the server was wigging out before I wasn't able to say anything before I left the hotel. Right now I am at McCarren Airport waiting on JetBlue Flight 196 to take me back to JFK. By the time Tri sees this, I should already be back home. I'm probably going to try and nap on the plane since I have plenty to do when I get home tomorrow.
Alas, I am not a richer man and I share the same wish as Velveeta and that I want enough money so I don't have to work. God, I hate my job and the crappy pay I get.
I know this might fall on deaf ears but . . .
I know some wealthy people, very wealthy. No addage has ever been more true than "if you aren't happy without money you will not be happy with it" -
Happiness is a mindset, one you have to take charge of with or without money.
Money really doesn't buy happiness but it will buy a higher quality of unhappiness.
The rich are the scum of the earth in every country.
~ G. K. Chesterton (1874 - 1936), Flying Inn (1914)
Comment by capt on 07/26/2008 13:01:57
capt on 07/26/2008 13:01:57
Post-Berlin Polls: Success 55% approve w/ Berlin Bounce +5% & Gallup 4% Move Overnight to +6
Comment by capt on 07/26/2008 13:14:35
capt on 07/26/2008 13:14:35
2 more U.S. banks fail
WASHINGTON: Federal regulators closed two small Western banks Friday, bringing to seven the number of U.S. banks that have failed this year.
The banks, owned by First National Bank Holding Co. of Scottsdale, Arizona, will have their deposits and some assets transferred to Mutual of Omaha Bank, according to the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp., or FDIC.