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A Stormy Season
Author: BobR
Date: 09/12/2008 12:32:05
With our quadrennial presidential election just weeks away, the candidates have been at the eye of the storm, while campaign advisers, 527s and the media swirl around the periphery. The victims of the destructive hot air have been the truth, common sense, and common decency.
The only interruptions have been the hurricanes which - this year - seem to be coming more frequently and more brutal, almost as if to mimic the maelstrom which is the campaign circus. Hurricane Ike seems to targeting Galveston, TX which was submerged by a hurricane 108 years ago. There are, however, more scientific explanations, and none of them bode well for residents near the Caribbean.
My sister lives in Louisiana between Baton Rouge and New Orleans (closer to Baton Rouge). She survived Katrina without much difficulty because it passed about 70 miles to the east of her. Gustav, however, passed about 15 miles to the west of her. As you may know, the eastern side of the hurricane is always worse, because it is being fed by warmer waters. She lost power for 3 days and had some minor structural damage to her house from the wind.
Her husband went to get some supplies that were being handed out to those in need. He only asked for a few items, but they seemed to not listen and tossed all kinds of supplies into his truck (such as bottled water). One might be encouraged by their enthusiasm and the thought that they "got it right" this time after the disastrous relief effort for Katrina, but there's also the realization that the supplies he got which he didn't need were effectively denied to someone that really DID need them.
Relief efforts will likely be a growing concern in this and future seasons. The current studies show that while warmer water may not necessarily create more hurricanes, it can create stronger hurricanes:
Conservatives have selfishly denied that global warming exists or - if it does - is not the result of mankind's actions, nor do we have the power to arrest it. These denials are likely due to their desire to maintain their destructive lifestyles, nor "cave in" to foreign countries' "demands". However, the financial fallout and increased national security risks from these destructive storms may be the key to changing their tune:
This should amplify the point of just how important it is that we elect a president, vice-president, senators, and congresspeople that understand the environmental crisis we face, and are willing to do something about it. While the hurricane season is a handy metaphor for our political season, the two are entwined in a cause/effect danse macabre. Despite the focus on jobs and the economy, damage due to the effects of global warming will further devastate our economy, illustrating yet another reason why this election is so critical.
Bonus Click: See Gina Gershon satirize Sarah Palin. Warning: some language may not be work-safe (or child-safe).
The only interruptions have been the hurricanes which - this year - seem to be coming more frequently and more brutal, almost as if to mimic the maelstrom which is the campaign circus. Hurricane Ike seems to targeting Galveston, TX which was submerged by a hurricane 108 years ago. There are, however, more scientific explanations, and none of them bode well for residents near the Caribbean.
My sister lives in Louisiana between Baton Rouge and New Orleans (closer to Baton Rouge). She survived Katrina without much difficulty because it passed about 70 miles to the east of her. Gustav, however, passed about 15 miles to the west of her. As you may know, the eastern side of the hurricane is always worse, because it is being fed by warmer waters. She lost power for 3 days and had some minor structural damage to her house from the wind.
Her husband went to get some supplies that were being handed out to those in need. He only asked for a few items, but they seemed to not listen and tossed all kinds of supplies into his truck (such as bottled water). One might be encouraged by their enthusiasm and the thought that they "got it right" this time after the disastrous relief effort for Katrina, but there's also the realization that the supplies he got which he didn't need were effectively denied to someone that really DID need them.
Relief efforts will likely be a growing concern in this and future seasons. The current studies show that while warmer water may not necessarily create more hurricanes, it can create stronger hurricanes:
Global warming is affecting the intensity of Atlantic hurricanes, according to a new study by a university professor in Florida who says his research provides the first direct link between climate change and storm strength.
James Elsner of Florida State University said he set out to perform a statistical analysis of the two theories in a raging debate within the scientific community: Whether recent intense hurricanes are the result of climate change or natural ocean warming and cooling cycles.
"Is the atmosphere forcing the ocean or the ocean forcing the atmosphere?" Elsner asked.
The issue has a wide-ranging impact on insurance companies, municipal planners, some 50 million residents of hurricane-prone US coastal communities and millions of others in Mexico, Central America and the Caribbean islands.
...
Atlantic hurricanes draw their energy from the warm waters of the Atlantic Ocean, Gulf of Mexico and Caribbean Sea.
He found that average air temperatures during hurricane season between June and November were useful in predicting sea surface temperatures, but not the other way around.
"It appears that atmospheric warming comes before sea warming," he said, indicating that hurricane damage will be likely to continue increasing because of greenhouse warming.
...
But a growing body of research indicates human-induced global warming -- driven by heat-trapping gases in air pollution from cars and factories -- could be heating sea water, which in turn fuels stronger hurricanes.
Conservatives have selfishly denied that global warming exists or - if it does - is not the result of mankind's actions, nor do we have the power to arrest it. These denials are likely due to their desire to maintain their destructive lifestyles, nor "cave in" to foreign countries' "demands". However, the financial fallout and increased national security risks from these destructive storms may be the key to changing their tune:
A new draft report from the United States' top intelligence analyst forecasts future security threats to the U.S. and other nations from climate change, as well as declining influence of the U.S. on world affairs. The report is intended to brief the new U.S. president early next year on the security outlook for the next 15 years, and parts of the assessment may sound familiar to environmentalists and other climate watchers since the U.S. intelligence community is apparently up on its climate science. The report predicts that climate change will cause drought and food shortages and exacerbate freshwater supplies around the globe; it will also likely cause dustbowl conditions in the U.S. Southwest making the area hostile to agriculture. For developing countries, climate change "could be the straw that breaks the camel's back," leading to political and humanitarian crises and spurring mass migrations, said report author Thomas Fingar. The new report's climate conclusions are in line with three other climate-change security assessments also released this year from the U.S., Britain, and the European Union.
This should amplify the point of just how important it is that we elect a president, vice-president, senators, and congresspeople that understand the environmental crisis we face, and are willing to do something about it. While the hurricane season is a handy metaphor for our political season, the two are entwined in a cause/effect danse macabre. Despite the focus on jobs and the economy, damage due to the effects of global warming will further devastate our economy, illustrating yet another reason why this election is so critical.
Bonus Click: See Gina Gershon satirize Sarah Palin. Warning: some language may not be work-safe (or child-safe).
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Comment by 
Mondobubba on 09/12/2008 12:38:28
Mondobubba on 09/12/2008 12:38:28
Comment by 
BobR on 09/12/2008 12:38:40
BobR on 09/12/2008 12:38:40
btw - the bonus click only contained the environment portion of the Gina Gershon video. You can see the entire thing here.
Comment by 
wickedpam on 09/12/2008 12:52:26
wickedpam on 09/12/2008 12:52:26
morning :hug:
Comment by 
clintster on 09/12/2008 12:57:41
clintster on 09/12/2008 12:57:41
Morning all!
Mrs. C and I were talking about Milfy a couple of days ago, and her flip-flop on the Bridge to Nowhere. She said it was interesting how she was so adament about these highly unpopular things like the BTN and the Iraq War. I added, "Well, it's only natural; it's a War to Nowhere."
Love y'alls; can't breathe without you.
Mrs. C and I were talking about Milfy a couple of days ago, and her flip-flop on the Bridge to Nowhere. She said it was interesting how she was so adament about these highly unpopular things like the BTN and the Iraq War. I added, "Well, it's only natural; it's a War to Nowhere."
Love y'alls; can't breathe without you.
Comment by 
Raine on 09/12/2008 13:01:05
Raine on 09/12/2008 13:01:05
Good morning!
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2008 13:02:50
Raine on 09/12/2008 13:02:50
MAn... listening to part of Sarah's interview and ... well... just wow.
She doesn't know the bush doctrine?
She doesn't know the bush doctrine?
Comment by wickedpam on 09/12/2008 13:03:55
wickedpam on 09/12/2008 13:03:55
just heard a clip of that as well, she sounded like she was grasping around for a "right" answer
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/12/2008 13:10:19
Shocking isn't it?
BTW morning! First!
Mondobubba on 09/12/2008 13:10:19
Quote by Raine:
MAn... listening to part of Sarah's interview and ... well... just wow.
She doesn't know the bush doctrine?
Shocking isn't it?
BTW morning! First!
Comment by wickedpam on 09/12/2008 13:10:33
wickedpam on 09/12/2008 13:10:33
did anyone see the Service Forum on msnbc last night. caught parts of it at the end it sounded like it was interesting.
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2008 13:27:43
I watched the first 1/ hour... I never got back to watchBarack...
I TRIED to listen to MCCain... but I could not.
Raine on 09/12/2008 13:27:43
Quote by wickedpam:
did anyone see the Service Forum on msnbc last night. caught parts of it at the end it sounded like it was interesting.
I TRIED to listen to MCCain... but I could not.
Comment by wickedpam on 09/12/2008 13:29:52
wickedpam on 09/12/2008 13:29:52
only caught the parts myself loved what he said about helping people to volunteer
Comment by 
velveeta jones on 09/12/2008 13:30:04
Morning all!
I watched most of it. Missed part of McCain, so I didn't miss much. :p
BUT: Did anyone see Rachael last night? Did you see her interview with Chris Matthews?
OH MY GAWD!!! I was only half listening, then I sat up straight, then I fainted!
:thud:
velveeta jones on 09/12/2008 13:30:04
Quote by wickedpam:
did anyone see the Service Forum on msnbc last night. caught parts of it at the end it sounded like it was interesting.
Morning all!
I watched most of it. Missed part of McCain, so I didn't miss much. :p
BUT: Did anyone see Rachael last night? Did you see her interview with Chris Matthews?
OH MY GAWD!!! I was only half listening, then I sat up straight, then I fainted!
:thud:
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2008 13:30:24
anyone who doesn't, in the year 2008, know what the Bush Doctrine is, has no right to be a heartbeat away from the presidency.
I think that when we watch the VP debate, part of the drinking game will be take a shot for everytime Joe Biden gives a *WTF are you talking about look*.
Raine on 09/12/2008 13:30:24
Quote by wickedpam:
just heard a clip of that as well, she sounded like she was grasping around for a "right" answer
I think that when we watch the VP debate, part of the drinking game will be take a shot for everytime Joe Biden gives a *WTF are you talking about look*.
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2008 13:32:17
I didn't.
Details? ...
Or shall I scour the interwebs for a video?
Raine on 09/12/2008 13:32:17
Quote by velveeta jones:Quote by wickedpam:
did anyone see the Service Forum on msnbc last night. caught parts of it at the end it sounded like it was interesting.
Morning all!
I watched most of it. Missed part of McCain, so I didn't miss much. :p
BUT: Did anyone see Rachael last night? Did you see her interview with Chris Matthews?
OH MY GAWD!!! I was only half listening, then I sat up straight, then I fainted!
:thud:
I didn't.
Details? ... Or shall I scour the interwebs for a video?
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2008 13:41:27
Raine on 09/12/2008 13:41:27
Holy CRAP! Katty Kay Rocks. *Clearly She doesn't understand What the Bush Doctrine is*
In what Context, Charlie? The visuals are just stunning, Gibson looked a little stunned that shew did not know what he was tlaking about... and she... well she really looked like she stayed up all night cramming for a verbal test, and I don't think it went so good for her.
In what Context, Charlie? The visuals are just stunning, Gibson looked a little stunned that shew did not know what he was tlaking about... and she... well she really looked like she stayed up all night cramming for a verbal test, and I don't think it went so good for her.
Comment by wickedpam on 09/12/2008 13:42:00
I'm worried we're getting lulled into a level of low expectation again. Plus when Biden stikes back at her inthe debate they are gonna scream sexism. Which in my eyes is completely sexist it self.
wickedpam on 09/12/2008 13:42:00
Quote by Raine:anyone who doesn't, in the year 2008, know what the Bush Doctrine is, has no right to be a heartbeat away from the presidency.Quote by wickedpam:
just heard a clip of that as well, she sounded like she was grasping around for a "right" answer
I think that when we watch the VP debate, part of the drinking game will be take a shot for everytime Joe Biden gives a *WTF are you talking about look*.
I'm worried we're getting lulled into a level of low expectation again. Plus when Biden stikes back at her inthe debate they are gonna scream sexism. Which in my eyes is completely sexist it self.
Comment by wickedpam on 09/12/2008 13:42:35
I missed it too.
wickedpam on 09/12/2008 13:42:35
Quote by Raine:Quote by velveeta jones:Quote by wickedpam:
did anyone see the Service Forum on msnbc last night. caught parts of it at the end it sounded like it was interesting.
Morning all!
I watched most of it. Missed part of McCain, so I didn't miss much. :p
BUT: Did anyone see Rachael last night? Did you see her interview with Chris Matthews?
OH MY GAWD!!! I was only half listening, then I sat up straight, then I fainted!
:thud:
I didn't.
Or shall I scour the interwebs for a video?
I missed it too.
Comment by 
HoneyBearKelly on 09/12/2008 13:43:39
HoneyBearKelly on 09/12/2008 13:43:39
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2008 13:44:18
Raine on 09/12/2008 13:44:18
OK... forget KAtty KAy! Exclusive unedited footage!!! 
:rofl:
:rofl:
Comment by velveeta jones on 09/12/2008 13:45:25
velveeta jones on 09/12/2008 13:45:25
I like the Gina Gershon btw, but this one is better:
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2008 13:47:29
Oh that site is a beauty...
Good Morning!
Raine on 09/12/2008 13:47:29
Quote by HoneyBearKelly:
Good morning my lovelies!!!
Sarah Palin has a blog.
It might be parody but I'm not sure.
Good Morning!
Comment by velveeta jones on 09/12/2008 13:53:32
I checked the interwebs this am, just to make sure I wasn't dreaming or having an acid flashback!! Nothing yet.
He STOPPED being a RW tool (lately he's been more tolerable), but he became: Mr. Liberal News Guy. I swear. He must have spit out the phrase "Neo-con's" 3 times; as in "the neo cons led us into this phony war.........it was the Bush's and the Cheney's (pronounced like Thom does it) and the Wolfiwitz's neo-con agenda to drag us into this quagmire".
:O
velveeta jones on 09/12/2008 13:53:32
Quote by Raine:Quote by velveeta jones:Quote by wickedpam:
did anyone see the Service Forum on msnbc last night. caught parts of it at the end it sounded like it was interesting.
Morning all!
I watched most of it. Missed part of McCain, so I didn't miss much. :p
BUT: Did anyone see Rachael last night? Did you see her interview with Chris Matthews?
OH MY GAWD!!! I was only half listening, then I sat up straight, then I fainted!
:thud:
I didn't.
Or shall I scour the interwebs for a video?
I checked the interwebs this am, just to make sure I wasn't dreaming or having an acid flashback!! Nothing yet.
He STOPPED being a RW tool (lately he's been more tolerable), but he became: Mr. Liberal News Guy. I swear. He must have spit out the phrase "Neo-con's" 3 times; as in "the neo cons led us into this phony war.........it was the Bush's and the Cheney's (pronounced like Thom does it) and the Wolfiwitz's neo-con agenda to drag us into this quagmire".
:O
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2008 13:53:33
Raine on 09/12/2008 13:53:33
he OTHER McCain interview yesterday.
Sarah Palin is THE most popular governor in America? (I think Ahnold may disagree)
And his pork answer? She isn't wasteful because she disclosed her per diem charges, and he told the lie againabout the plane.
THIS interview is worth watching.
Sarah Palin is THE most popular governor in America? (I think Ahnold may disagree)
And his pork answer? She isn't wasteful because she disclosed her per diem charges, and he told the lie againabout the plane.
THIS interview is worth watching.
Comment by 
trojanrabbit on 09/12/2008 13:53:57
trojanrabbit on 09/12/2008 13:53:57
Good morning everyone!
If I felt Milfy McMooseburger's Moose-in-the-headlights look would cause some of the RW nuts to see the light, I'd be happy. Sadly I'm such a cynic that I don't see that at all and she'll probably get a bump upwards because Charlie was so mean to her to actually expect an answer.
If I felt Milfy McMooseburger's Moose-in-the-headlights look would cause some of the RW nuts to see the light, I'd be happy. Sadly I'm such a cynic that I don't see that at all and she'll probably get a bump upwards because Charlie was so mean to her to actually expect an answer.
Comment by wickedpam on 09/12/2008 13:57:12
wickedpam on 09/12/2008 13:57:12
Those were funny :spit:
Comment by velveeta jones on 09/12/2008 13:58:51
TJ, you're right. See the above vid. You're not supposed to listen to the words silly! Look at how proper she sits. Look at those legs. Hmmmmm HMMM! After all, she's just the "Vice". McCain will do all the "manly" stuff!
<_<
velveeta jones on 09/12/2008 13:58:51
Quote by Raine:
Holy CRAP! Katty Kay Rocks. *Clearly She doesn't understand What the Bush Doctrine is*
In what Context, Charlie? The visuals are just stunning, Gibson looked a little stunned that shew did not know what he was tlaking about... and she... well she really looked like she stayed up all night cramming for a verbal test, and I don't think it went so good for her.
TJ, you're right. See the above vid. You're not supposed to listen to the words silly! Look at how proper she sits. Look at those legs. Hmmmmm HMMM! After all, she's just the "Vice". McCain will do all the "manly" stuff!
<_<
Comment by wickedpam on 09/12/2008 13:59:22
feh - I like my Gov better
wickedpam on 09/12/2008 13:59:22
Quote by Raine:
he OTHER McCain interview yesterday.
Sarah Palin is THE most popular governor in America? (I think Ahnold may disagree)
And his pork answer? She isn't wasteful because she disclosed her per diem charges, and he told the lie againabout the plane.
THIS interview is worth watching.
feh - I like my Gov better
Comment by 
Scoopster on 09/12/2008 13:59:28
Scoopster on 09/12/2008 13:59:28
Morning all.. 
Busy busy today! and ugh I'm tired.. 
Busy busy today! and ugh I'm tired..
Comment by Scoopster on 09/12/2008 14:06:27
:rage: She's like Spiro Agnew and Dick Cheney spliced together.. AAAAAARGHRGRHG!
Scoopster on 09/12/2008 14:06:27
Quote by Raine:
She linked Iraq to 9/11.
:rage: She's like Spiro Agnew and Dick Cheney spliced together.. AAAAAARGHRGRHG!
Comment by HoneyBearKelly on 09/12/2008 14:07:06
HoneyBearKelly on 09/12/2008 14:07:06
Ahnuld ratings are not so good.
Californians are having buyers remorse and have started a recall petition.
That karma strikes again.
Californians are having buyers remorse and have started a recall petition.
That karma strikes again.
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2008 14:11:00
Raine on 09/12/2008 14:11:00
Who cares about John Kerry?
What the hell does that have to do with anything?
What the hell does that have to do with anything?
Comment by wickedpam on 09/12/2008 14:11:35
wickedpam on 09/12/2008 14:11:35
just cause you go to a high end college means your smart
Comment by BobR on 09/12/2008 14:11:40
BobR on 09/12/2008 14:11:40
to the caller: stupid is as stupid does.
And Dubya does stupid brilliantly...
And Dubya does stupid brilliantly...
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2008 14:11:54
Well that is indeed true, I guess I was going more on name recognition among republican governors ...
Raine on 09/12/2008 14:11:54
Quote by HoneyBearKelly:
Ahnuld ratings are not so good.
Californians are having buyers remorse and have started a recall petition.
That karma strikes again.
Well that is indeed true, I guess I was going more on name recognition among republican governors ...
Comment by 
TriSec on 09/12/2008 14:19:11
TriSec on 09/12/2008 14:19:11
*grunt*
Comment by velveeta jones on 09/12/2008 14:21:13
Mornin' Sunshine!!
:D
velveeta jones on 09/12/2008 14:21:13
Quote by TriSec:
*grunt*
Mornin' Sunshine!!
:D
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2008 14:23:09
Raine on 09/12/2008 14:23:09
Comment by velveeta jones on 09/12/2008 14:23:14
Another recall?
Hey, would it be too late to start a recall petition for bush/cheney?
velveeta jones on 09/12/2008 14:23:14
Quote by HoneyBearKelly:
Ahnuld ratings are not so good.
Californians are having buyers remorse and have started a recall petition.
That karma strikes again.
Another recall?
Hey, would it be too late to start a recall petition for bush/cheney?
Comment by wickedpam on 09/12/2008 14:24:39
well that one does kinda say it all :lol:
wickedpam on 09/12/2008 14:24:39
Quote by Raine:Quote by wickedpam:
Nonverbal communtications
May fave non verbal communication.
well that one does kinda say it all :lol:
Comment by TriSec on 09/12/2008 14:25:27
TriSec on 09/12/2008 14:25:27
Just another fun-filled day at the mine.
Fucking micromanager.
Fucking micromanager.
Comment by TriSec on 09/12/2008 14:29:12
Well, gee. Most of those sound like my weekly meeting. Especially the ones marked "Anger and Disgust".
TriSec on 09/12/2008 14:29:12
Quote by wickedpam:
Nonverbal communtications
Well, gee. Most of those sound like my weekly meeting. Especially the ones marked "Anger and Disgust".
Comment by HoneyBearKelly on 09/12/2008 14:33:58
California politics is all about the drama.
HoneyBearKelly on 09/12/2008 14:33:58
Quote by velveeta jones:
Another recall?
Hey, would it be too late to start a recall petition for bush/cheney?
California politics is all about the drama.
Comment by wickedpam on 09/12/2008 14:40:39
wickedpam on 09/12/2008 14:40:39
a journalism degree is a BA, an English degree is a BA but we are well schooled in BS
Comment by 
Random on 09/12/2008 14:42:37
Random's getting a BS.
Random on 09/12/2008 14:42:37
Quote by wickedpam:
a journalism degree is a BA, an English degree is a BA but we are well schooled in BS
Random's getting a BS.
Comment by Scoopster on 09/12/2008 14:48:03
Scoopster on 09/12/2008 14:48:03
Better version of the one from the other day...
Comment by wickedpam on 09/12/2008 14:56:28
wickedpam on 09/12/2008 14:56:28
okay - off to do house stuff - if I miss anyone have a great weekend!
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2008 14:58:21
Raine on 09/12/2008 14:58:21
You know, I was responded to something on a thread on the Message Board, regarding a man set free after being convicted for murdering 2 black men in Missisppi (JAmes Ford Seale)
HE was released becuase the statute of limitiations (right to a speedy trial)... I quoted the 6th ammendment...
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district where in the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense.
It occurs to me, if Sarah Palin charged victims to pay for their own evidence in a rape case... would that NOT be unconstitutional in accordance to the 6th and possibly the 14th ammendment? HEre is the 14th, Section 1: (boldface mine)
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
=================================
boldface mine. Just a thought.
HE was released becuase the statute of limitiations (right to a speedy trial)... I quoted the 6th ammendment...
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district where in the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense.
It occurs to me, if Sarah Palin charged victims to pay for their own evidence in a rape case... would that NOT be unconstitutional in accordance to the 6th and possibly the 14th ammendment? HEre is the 14th, Section 1: (boldface mine)
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
=================================
boldface mine. Just a thought.
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2008 15:08:01
I still love it!
Raine on 09/12/2008 15:08:01
Quote by Scoopster:
Better version of the one from the other day...
I still love it!
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2008 15:11:23
Raine on 09/12/2008 15:11:23
Ok... raine is bummed. I tried to call in, and the screener said to call back. AFTER she took my info. I miss Rebekah...
:(
:(
Comment by 
livingonli on 09/12/2008 15:20:06
livingonli on 09/12/2008 15:20:06
Good morning everyone. 
Another late night and then I was doing stuff on the computer when I get home that I couldn't do at work so I crashed out.
How's everyone?
Another late night and then I was doing stuff on the computer when I get home that I couldn't do at work so I crashed out.
How's everyone?
Comment by TriSec on 09/12/2008 15:20:14
TriSec on 09/12/2008 15:20:14
Joe's head seems to be slipping down a bit between the ol' shoulder blades...
Comment by Scoopster on 09/12/2008 15:20:22
Scoopster on 09/12/2008 15:20:22
Quote by Raine:
Ok... raine is bummed. I tried to call in, and the screener said to call back. AFTER she took my info. I miss Rebekah...
:(
Comment by livingonli on 09/12/2008 15:20:41
That sucks.
livingonli on 09/12/2008 15:20:41
Quote by Raine:
Ok... raine is bummed. I tried to call in, and the screener said to call back. AFTER she took my info. I miss Rebekah...
:(
That sucks.
Comment by TriSec on 09/12/2008 15:34:46
TriSec on 09/12/2008 15:34:46
I'll be glad when Momma and the Mooks are back....
(its kinda dead in here....think next week this place will be jumpin?)
<-- practicing with reverb
(its kinda dead in here....think next week this place will be jumpin?)
<-- practicing with reverb
Comment by Random on 09/12/2008 15:36:52
Random on 09/12/2008 15:36:52
Well...that didn't work.
Comment by livingonli on 09/12/2008 15:37:16
livingonli on 09/12/2008 15:37:16
Sarah Palin is smart. Compared to what? 
Right-wing tools will defend anything that they do.
Right-wing tools will defend anything that they do.
Comment by livingonli on 09/12/2008 15:39:12
What didn't work?
livingonli on 09/12/2008 15:39:12
Quote by Random:
Well...that didn't work.
What didn't work?
Comment by Random on 09/12/2008 15:39:51
Hey, to be fair, for anyone to get to be governer, then VP with only one look, you've got to have some sort of smarts. After all, she's practically the brains of the McCain Palin ticket.
Random on 09/12/2008 15:39:51
Quote by livingonli:
Sarah Palin is smart. Compared to what?
Right-wing tools will defend anything that they do.
Hey, to be fair, for anyone to get to be governer, then VP with only one look, you've got to have some sort of smarts. After all, she's practically the brains of the McCain Palin ticket.
Comment by Random on 09/12/2008 15:40:56
Hm...experimenting with something.
Random on 09/12/2008 15:40:56
Quote by livingonli:Quote by Random:
Well...that didn't work.
What didn't work?
Hm...experimenting with something.
Comment by livingonli on 09/12/2008 16:00:00
livingonli on 09/12/2008 16:00:00
So who's having mooseburger for lunch?
Comment by TriSec on 09/12/2008 16:05:00
TriSec on 09/12/2008 16:05:00
Well, this sure answers a lot of questions...
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/12/2008 16:05:00
Tri, what is this on the floor? If I've told you once, I've told you a hundred times,
don't empty the spit valve on the marble!
Mondobubba on 09/12/2008 16:05:00
Quote by TriSec:
I'll be glad when Momma and the Mooks are back....
(its kinda dead in here....think next week this place will be jumpin?)
Tri, what is this on the floor? If I've told you once, I've told you a hundred times,
don't empty the spit valve on the marble!
Comment by TriSec on 09/12/2008 16:05:56
TriSec on 09/12/2008 16:05:56
Sorry, those are some bitter tears. I've been blowing out over here on the carpet.
(and we refer to it as a "water key" among polite company.)
(and we refer to it as a "water key" among polite company.)
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/12/2008 16:07:38
Damnit I have been meaning to post that for 2 days! :kickcan:
Mondobubba on 09/12/2008 16:07:38
Quote by Raine:
Florida Gay Adoption ban ruled unsconstitutional.
Damnit I have been meaning to post that for 2 days! :kickcan:
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/12/2008 16:08:54
TRI! That is a hand woven Bokhara! You have been emptying your horn on it? :thud:
Mondobubba on 09/12/2008 16:08:54
Quote by TriSec:
Sorry, those are some bitter tears. I've been blowing out over here on the carpet.
(and we refer to it as a "water key" among polite company.)
TRI! That is a hand woven Bokhara! You have been emptying your horn on it? :thud:
Comment by 
starling310 on 09/12/2008 16:10:40
starling310 on 09/12/2008 16:10:40
Good morning afternoon.
:: scans blog ::
:rofl:
Scoop, can you send me this if I PM you my email?
:: scans blog ::
Quote by Scoopster:
Better version of the one from the other day...
:rofl:
Scoop, can you send me this if I PM you my email?
Comment by TriSec on 09/12/2008 16:10:44
TriSec on 09/12/2008 16:10:44
Man, this blog is so irritating sometimes.
Where's the "uncouth" section for us poor, unwashed, heathens?
Where's the "uncouth" section for us poor, unwashed, heathens?
Comment by Will in Chicago on 09/12/2008 16:11:16
Will in Chicago on 09/12/2008 16:11:16
Good morning, bloggers!!! (Or is it afternoon where you are.) Excellent blog post, BobR!!
Sorry that I have been quiet, but I just got my internet connection here in Phoenix. I am busy working on a few things but I thought I would swing by as I am getting ready to run some errands.
As for Palin, I am not surprised by her performance. She should know the Bush doctrine, and I think that she will prove to be a flash in the pan.
Raine, I did see some of Barack Obama at the service forum and he handled himself well. I think that we have to keep some faith that the American people will chose a superior candidate (Obama) over a cynical panderer (McCain).
Sorry that I have been quiet, but I just got my internet connection here in Phoenix. I am busy working on a few things but I thought I would swing by as I am getting ready to run some errands.
As for Palin, I am not surprised by her performance. She should know the Bush doctrine, and I think that she will prove to be a flash in the pan.
Raine, I did see some of Barack Obama at the service forum and he handled himself well. I think that we have to keep some faith that the American people will chose a superior candidate (Obama) over a cynical panderer (McCain).
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/12/2008 16:11:19
Mondobubba on 09/12/2008 16:11:19
Comment by starling310 on 09/12/2008 16:13:21
Never mind, Scoop. I got it!
That is awesome!!!
starling310 on 09/12/2008 16:13:21
Quote by starling310:
Goodmorningafternoon.
:: scans blog ::Quote by Scoopster:
Better version of the one from the other day...
:rofl:
Scoop, can you send me this if I PM you my email?
Never mind, Scoop. I got it!
That is awesome!!!
Comment by BobR on 09/12/2008 16:13:38
BobR on 09/12/2008 16:13:38
Comment by BobR on 09/12/2008 16:16:40
Thanks!
BobR on 09/12/2008 16:16:40
Quote by Will in Phoenix:
Good morning, bloggers!!! (Or is it afternoon where you are.) Excellent blog post, BobR!!
Thanks!
Comment by starling310 on 09/12/2008 16:18:46
starling310 on 09/12/2008 16:18:46
I miss Thom, but I like this Lee Rayburn guy.
Comment by starling310 on 09/12/2008 16:19:16
I say electing McCain means "certain death."
starling310 on 09/12/2008 16:19:16
I say electing McCain means "certain death."
Comment by 
Shane-O on 09/12/2008 16:23:37
Raine- you lookin' for a response on this - or "just a thought"?
Shane-O on 09/12/2008 16:23:37
Quote by Raine:
You know, I was responded to something on a thread on the Message Board, regarding a man set free after being convicted for murdering 2 black men in Missisppi (JAmes Ford Seale)
HE was released becuase the statute of limitiations (right to a speedy trial)... I quoted the 6th ammendment...
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district where in the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense.
It occurs to me, if Sarah Palin charged victims to pay for their own evidence in a rape case... would that NOT be unconstitutional in accordance to the 6th and possibly the 14th ammendment? HEre is the 14th, Section 1: (boldface mine)
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
=================================
boldface mine. Just a thought.
Raine- you lookin' for a response on this - or "just a thought"?
Comment by BobR on 09/12/2008 16:26:50
BobR on 09/12/2008 16:26:50
Hurricane Ike as seen from the space station:
Comment by starling310 on 09/12/2008 16:28:10
If it weren't so scary, I'd dare say it's beautiful.
starling310 on 09/12/2008 16:28:10
Quote by BobR:
Hurricane Ike as seen from the space station:
If it weren't so scary, I'd dare say it's beautiful.
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2008 16:32:06
NOt sure What I am looking for.
Seriously. I am trying to figure out how one paying for their rape kit is constitutional.
This is akin, imo, to asking people to pay for thier own evidence. Something seems VERY hinky here.
I posted a few constitutional arguments...maybe.
I am just not accustomed to people payting the state for evidence for trial. ESPECIALLY defendents. This just seems really wrong here, and I do not understand WHY a rape victim would have to pay for this kind of evidence.
IF... and this is an IF... the state charged a person with rape... why would the rape victim have to pay for the rape kit? How is that constitiutional?
Raine on 09/12/2008 16:32:06
Quote by Shane-O:Quote by Raine:
You know, I was responded to something on a thread on the Message Board, regarding a man set free after being convicted for murdering 2 black men in Missisppi (JAmes Ford Seale)
HE was released becuase the statute of limitiations (right to a speedy trial)... I quoted the 6th ammendment...
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district where in the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense.
It occurs to me, if Sarah Palin charged victims to pay for their own evidence in a rape case... would that NOT be unconstitutional in accordance to the 6th and possibly the 14th ammendment? HEre is the 14th, Section 1: (boldface mine)
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
=================================
boldface mine. Just a thought.
Raine- you lookin' for a response on this - or "just a thought"?
Seriously. I am trying to figure out how one paying for their rape kit is constitutional.
This is akin, imo, to asking people to pay for thier own evidence. Something seems VERY hinky here.
I posted a few constitutional arguments...maybe.
I am just not accustomed to people payting the state for evidence for trial. ESPECIALLY defendents. This just seems really wrong here, and I do not understand WHY a rape victim would have to pay for this kind of evidence.
IF... and this is an IF... the state charged a person with rape... why would the rape victim have to pay for the rape kit? How is that constitiutional?
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2008 16:33:01
Me too! Ray is awesome!!!
Raine on 09/12/2008 16:33:01
Quote by starling310:
I miss Thom, but I like this Lee Rayburn guy.
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2008 16:35:03
Will!!!!
Welcome back!!! I have been thinking about you. How are things? It is so nice to have you back.
How was the trip? How is the puppy?
Raine on 09/12/2008 16:35:03
Quote by Will in Phoenix:
Good morning, bloggers!!! (Or is it afternoon where you are.) Excellent blog post, BobR!!
Sorry that I have been quiet, but I just got my internet connection here in Phoenix. I am busy working on a few things but I thought I would swing by as I am getting ready to run some errands.
As for Palin, I am not surprised by her performance. She should know the Bush doctrine, and I think that she will prove to be a flash in the pan.
Raine, I did see some of Barack Obama at the service forum and he handled himself well. I think that we have to keep some faith that the American people will chose a superior candidate (Obama) over a cynical panderer (McCain).
Will!!!!
Welcome back!!! I have been thinking about you. How are things? It is so nice to have you back.
How was the trip? How is the puppy?
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2008 16:40:09
Raine on 09/12/2008 16:40:09
Shane-O: a response. Yes, a response. I was hoping others would be thinking about this rape kit thing as well... beyong perhaps the emtional part of it, which is, IMO, just immoral.
I think that the constitution might show why. Equal jurisdiction of the law does not seem to be applied here.
What if a person cannot afford that kit?
Why should someone pay for something that the police should be doing regarding CRIMINAL cases?
This is what police are supposed to do. This is like asking a victim of a murder to pay for the film that forensic police have to take at a murder scene.
I think that the constitution might show why. Equal jurisdiction of the law does not seem to be applied here.
What if a person cannot afford that kit?
Why should someone pay for something that the police should be doing regarding CRIMINAL cases?
This is what police are supposed to do. This is like asking a victim of a murder to pay for the film that forensic police have to take at a murder scene.
Comment by Shane-O on 09/12/2008 16:41:33
I understand what you are saying. "Hinky" is a great way to describe it.
Unfortunately, the question is not "is requiring alleged victims to pay for rape kits Constitutional"? -- the question is - "is it Unconstitutional"? (I know that may seem hinky in-and-of itself -- but I'll avoid my whole diatribe on what the Constitution is and isn't (you've already heard it before
))
Just because something is totally grotesque, it doesn't mean the Constitution protects against it.
I can go through the 6th and 14th Amendment arguments, if you like - I don't want to get too far into the weeds if you don't.
Shane-O on 09/12/2008 16:41:33
Quote by Raine:
NOt sure What I am looking for.
Seriously. I am trying to figure out how one paying for their rape kit is constitutional.
This is akin, imo, to asking people to pay for thier own evidence. Something seems VERY hinky here.
I posted a few constitutional arguments...maybe.
I am just not accustomed to people payting the state for evidence for trial. ESPECIALLY defendents. This just seems really wrong here, and I do not understand WHY a rape victim would have to pay for this kind of evidence.
IF... and this is an IF... the state charged a person with rape... why would the rape victim have to pay for the rape kit? How is that constitiutional?
I understand what you are saying. "Hinky" is a great way to describe it.
Unfortunately, the question is not "is requiring alleged victims to pay for rape kits Constitutional"? -- the question is - "is it Unconstitutional"? (I know that may seem hinky in-and-of itself -- but I'll avoid my whole diatribe on what the Constitution is and isn't (you've already heard it before
))Just because something is totally grotesque, it doesn't mean the Constitution protects against it.
I can go through the 6th and 14th Amendment arguments, if you like - I don't want to get too far into the weeds if you don't.
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/12/2008 16:42:52
oh it is beautiful, scary and beautiful
Mondobubba on 09/12/2008 16:42:52
Quote by starling310:Quote by BobR:
Hurricane Ike as seen from the space station:
If it weren't so scary, I'd dare say it's beautiful.
oh it is beautiful, scary and beautiful
Comment by Shane-O on 09/12/2008 16:44:09
Shane-O on 09/12/2008 16:44:09
The "hinky" comes in from the disparate treatment.
When have you ever heard of a shooting victim having to pay for a ballistics test? Fingerprinting?
However, at times, DNA testing cost is shouldered by the victim.
Where's the line?
When have you ever heard of a shooting victim having to pay for a ballistics test? Fingerprinting?
However, at times, DNA testing cost is shouldered by the victim.
Where's the line?
Comment by livingonli on 09/12/2008 16:53:42
livingonli on 09/12/2008 16:53:42
Then the issue is equal protection under the law.
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2008 16:56:21
This is where I am trying to go.
Are we going backwards or forward?
At one point, we did not have ballistics testing... at one popint we did not have fingerprinting.
A LONG time ago, rape kits became normal regarding investigations.
I propose that people are still regarded as innocent until proven guilty, and as such, it is the states responsiblty to uphold that.
That is why making a victim paying for their own evidence is illegal... EVEN in cases of DNA testng at this point.
Raine on 09/12/2008 16:56:21
Quote by Shane-O:
The "hinky" comes in from the disparate treatment.
When have you ever heard of a shooting victim having to pay for a ballistics test? Fingerprinting?
However, at times, DNA testing cost is shouldered by the victim.
Where's the line?
This is where I am trying to go.
Are we going backwards or forward?
At one point, we did not have ballistics testing... at one popint we did not have fingerprinting.
A LONG time ago, rape kits became normal regarding investigations.
I propose that people are still regarded as innocent until proven guilty, and as such, it is the states responsiblty to uphold that.
That is why making a victim paying for their own evidence is illegal... EVEN in cases of DNA testng at this point.
Comment by starling310 on 09/12/2008 16:58:14
starling310 on 09/12/2008 16:58:14
:: listening to some Frangela ::
Re : Palin "A heap of stupid and crazy"
:spit:
Re : Palin "A heap of stupid and crazy"
:spit:
Comment by Shane-O on 09/12/2008 16:58:59
Bingo!
(The 6th has nothing to do with it)
Shane-O on 09/12/2008 16:58:59
Quote by livingonli:
Then the issue is equal protection under the law.
Bingo!
(The 6th has nothing to do with it)
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2008 16:59:48
Raine on 09/12/2008 16:59:48
Go Planned PArenthood!!!
Like I said, I was waiting for groups to do what they do best.
This is what we need now. THIS is what I want to see.
Defend that one John MCCain.
Like I said, I was waiting for groups to do what they do best.
This is what we need now. THIS is what I want to see.
Defend that one John MCCain.
Comment by livingonli on 09/12/2008 17:00:27
livingonli on 09/12/2008 17:00:27
Comment by Shane-O on 09/12/2008 17:00:27
Careful - "illegal" and "Unconstitutional" are different (I know I'm parsing - but, that's what I do... )
Shane-O on 09/12/2008 17:00:27
Quote by Raine:
That is why making a victim paying for their own evidence is illegal... EVEN in cases of DNA testng at this point.
Careful - "illegal" and "Unconstitutional" are different (I know I'm parsing - but, that's what I do...
)
Comment by Scoopster on 09/12/2008 17:00:40
My former senator and ex-Repub Lincoln Chafee called her a cocky wacko yesterday :rofl:
Scoopster on 09/12/2008 17:00:40
Quote by starling310:
:: listening to some Frangela ::
Re : Palin "A heap of stupid and crazy"
:spit:
My former senator and ex-Repub Lincoln Chafee called her a cocky wacko yesterday :rofl:
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2008 17:02:27
Fair enough... so (I am asking this honestly... )
Why not the part that I brought up inthe 14th?
They are asking people to pay for equal protection. No?
Raine on 09/12/2008 17:02:27
Quote by Shane-O:Quote by livingonli:
Then the issue is equal protection under the law.
Bingo!
(The 6th has nothing to do with it)
Why not the part that I brought up inthe 14th?
They are asking people to pay for equal protection. No?
Comment by Shane-O on 09/12/2008 17:03:27
So the issues IS - "does the State, in requiring alleged victims of rape to pay for the cost of rape kits ("healthcare" - they'd argue), violate the Equal Protection Clause of the Constitution?"
Shane-O on 09/12/2008 17:03:27
Quote by Shane-O:Quote by livingonli:
Then the issue is equal protection under the law.
Bingo!
(The 6th has nothing to do with it)
So the issues IS - "does the State, in requiring alleged victims of rape to pay for the cost of rape kits ("healthcare" - they'd argue), violate the Equal Protection Clause of the Constitution?"
Comment by BobR on 09/12/2008 17:04:39
:clap:
BobR on 09/12/2008 17:04:39
Quote by Raine:
Go Planned PArenthood!!!
Like I said, I was waiting for groups to do what they do best.
This is what we need now. THIS is what I want to see.
Defend that one John MCCain.
:clap:
Comment by Scoopster on 09/12/2008 17:06:00
Scoopster on 09/12/2008 17:06:00
McShame's new ad slams Obama for being "disrespectful of the white female VP nominee"
WHAT A FUCKING RACIST ASSHAT.
WHAT A FUCKING RACIST ASSHAT.
Comment by BobR on 09/12/2008 17:06:18
I would say that's irrelevent, since you can't vote when you're dead.
BobR on 09/12/2008 17:06:18
Quote by livingonli:
I wonder how many of these people are also Bush or McCain supporters?
I would say that's irrelevent, since you can't vote when you're dead.
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2008 17:09:36
Parsing is fine... I am truying to understand this.
How is it constitutional to force people to PAY for something the authorities shoud be doing to prove a case?
Seriously.
If a wonam says she was raped, it seems to me that unless a rape kit is used it becomes he/She.
That meens it is circumstantial, no?
A rape kit can provide more solid evidence, right? that would HELP the people who have the authority to investigate... why would the put the burdon on the plaintiff?
I am no lawyer Shane, you know that, put this just doesn NOT seem in line with the idea of innocent until proven guilty.
Raine on 09/12/2008 17:09:36
Quote by Shane-O:Quote by Raine:
That is why making a victim paying for their own evidence is illegal... EVEN in cases of DNA testng at this point.
Careful - "illegal" and "Unconstitutional" are different (I know I'm parsing - but, that's what I do...
Parsing is fine... I am truying to understand this.
How is it constitutional to force people to PAY for something the authorities shoud be doing to prove a case?
Seriously.
If a wonam says she was raped, it seems to me that unless a rape kit is used it becomes he/She.
That meens it is circumstantial, no?
A rape kit can provide more solid evidence, right? that would HELP the people who have the authority to investigate... why would the put the burdon on the plaintiff?
I am no lawyer Shane, you know that, put this just doesn NOT seem in line with the idea of innocent until proven guilty.
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2008 17:10:53
Evidently,John MCCAin REALLY thinks Barack needs to learn his place... eh?
What a racist pig.
Raine on 09/12/2008 17:10:53
Quote by Scoopster:
McShame's new ad slams Obama for being "disrespectful of the white female VP nominee"
WHAT A FUCKING RACIST ASSHAT.
Evidently,John MCCAin REALLY thinks Barack needs to learn his place... eh?
What a racist pig.
Comment by TriSec on 09/12/2008 17:11:17
Well, staying in your home is one thing, but "bring it on???"
Yeah, OK. Go die.
I can identify with the thrill-seeking aspect of it though. Perhaps you've heard of the
No-Name storm? (there was a little movie about it...)
I was standing on the seawall at Point of Pines (Revere, MA) with 20-foot surf crashing over us....the State Police wouldn't let us drive down, so I parked over a half-mile away and waded through knee-deep seawater to get there.
Probably won't be doing that again anytime soon.
(Oh, and I can see some hardy New Englanders (for a blizzard or winter storm), as well as defiant Texans, looking at an "evacuate or die" order and going "oh yeah? Fuck you then. I'm staying!")
TriSec on 09/12/2008 17:11:17
Quote by BobR:
Idiots
Well, staying in your home is one thing, but "bring it on???"
Yeah, OK. Go die.
I can identify with the thrill-seeking aspect of it though. Perhaps you've heard of the
No-Name storm? (there was a little movie about it...)
I was standing on the seawall at Point of Pines (Revere, MA) with 20-foot surf crashing over us....the State Police wouldn't let us drive down, so I parked over a half-mile away and waded through knee-deep seawater to get there.
Probably won't be doing that again anytime soon.
(Oh, and I can see some hardy New Englanders (for a blizzard or winter storm), as well as defiant Texans, looking at an "evacuate or die" order and going "oh yeah? Fuck you then. I'm staying!")
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/12/2008 17:14:39
Now Bobber, you know that never stopped people in Chicago. Or in LBJ's 1948 senate election. :rofl:
Mondobubba on 09/12/2008 17:14:39
Quote by BobR:Quote by livingonli:
I wonder how many of these people are also Bush or McCain supporters?
I would say that's irrelevent, since you can't vote when you're dead.
Now Bobber, you know that never stopped people in Chicago. Or in LBJ's 1948 senate election. :rofl:
Comment by Scoopster on 09/12/2008 17:15:18
That ad pissed me off so much I actually made a Youtube account just so I could flag it as racist.
Scoopster on 09/12/2008 17:15:18
Quote by Raine:Quote by Scoopster:
McShame's new ad slams Obama for being "disrespectful of the white female VP nominee"
WHAT A FUCKING RACIST ASSHAT.
Evidently,John MCCAin REALLY thinks Barack needs to learn his place... eh?
What a racist pig.
That ad pissed me off so much I actually made a Youtube account just so I could flag it as racist.
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/12/2008 17:15:28
T
That would get back to the U word comments!
Mondobubba on 09/12/2008 17:15:28
T
Quote by Raine:Quote by Scoopster:
McShame's new ad slams Obama for being "disrespectful of the white female VP nominee"
WHAT A FUCKING RACIST ASSHAT.
Evidently,John MCCAin REALLY thinks Barack needs to learn his place... eh?
What a racist pig.
That would get back to the U word comments!
Comment by Shane-O on 09/12/2008 17:15:45
Yes, yes, and yes!
And I haven't come to my on conclusion on the Constitutional arguments yet - I'm kinda going through the analysis with you.
"Innocent until proven guilty" - no application - that is the right of a defendent, not a victim (ie. 6th Amendment doesn't apply)
And again - the government doesn't have to prove that their action IS Constitutional!
The government can do anything EXCEPT what is Unconstitutional. Just as the people can do anything EXCEPT what the government says they cannot.
Alaska does not have to show that charging for rape kits is Constitutional - the people have to show that charging is Unconstitutional.
The best argument would be equal protection - but I'm trying to figure that part out...
Shane-O on 09/12/2008 17:15:45
Quote by Raine:Quote by Shane-O:Quote by Raine:
That is why making a victim paying for their own evidence is illegal... EVEN in cases of DNA testng at this point.
Careful - "illegal" and "Unconstitutional" are different (I know I'm parsing - but, that's what I do...
Parsing is fine... I am truying to understand this.
How is it constitutional to force people to PAY for something the authorities shoud be doing to prove a case?
Seriously.
If a wonam says she was raped, it seems to me that unless a rape kit is used it becomes he/She.
That meens it is circumstantial, no?
A rape kit can provide more solid evidence, right? that would HELP the people who have the authority to investigate... why would the put the burdon on the plaintiff?
I am no lawyer Shane, you know that, put this just doesn NOT seem in line with the idea of innocent until proven guilty.
Yes, yes, and yes!
And I haven't come to my on conclusion on the Constitutional arguments yet - I'm kinda going through the analysis with you.
"Innocent until proven guilty" - no application - that is the right of a defendent, not a victim (ie. 6th Amendment doesn't apply)
And again - the government doesn't have to prove that their action IS Constitutional!
The government can do anything EXCEPT what is Unconstitutional. Just as the people can do anything EXCEPT what the government says they cannot.
Alaska does not have to show that charging for rape kits is Constitutional - the people have to show that charging is Unconstitutional.
The best argument would be equal protection - but I'm trying to figure that part out...
Comment by TriSec on 09/12/2008 17:23:09
TriSec on 09/12/2008 17:23:09
It's over.
Who are these people? Who are all these fucking idiots?
Well, if McCain wins it's official; we're a global pariah state and richly deserve whatever the rest of the world does, whether it's marginalizing us, moving on past us, or maybe taking some sort of global action via the UN.
Who are these people? Who are all these fucking idiots?
Well, if McCain wins it's official; we're a global pariah state and richly deserve whatever the rest of the world does, whether it's marginalizing us, moving on past us, or maybe taking some sort of global action via the UN.
Comment by livingonli on 09/12/2008 17:28:11
And if Harper gets a majority in the October 14th Canadian Election, moving north is not even an option.
livingonli on 09/12/2008 17:28:11
Quote by TriSec:
It's over.
Who are these people? Who are all these fucking idiots?
Well, if McCain wins it's official; we're a global pariah state and richly deserve whatever the rest of the world does, whether it's marginalizing us, moving on past us, or maybe taking some sort of global action via the UN.
And if Harper gets a majority in the October 14th Canadian Election, moving north is not even an option.
Comment by trojanrabbit on 09/12/2008 17:29:30
I have NO respect for McMooseburger, either. But that don't make me racist.
I HAD some respect for McShame. 99% of it is gone.
trojanrabbit on 09/12/2008 17:29:30
Quote by Scoopster:
McShame's new ad slams Obama for being "disrespectful of the white female VP nominee"
WHAT A FUCKING RACIST ASSHAT.
I have NO respect for McMooseburger, either. But that don't make me racist.
I HAD some respect for McShame. 99% of it is gone.
Comment by livingonli on 09/12/2008 17:38:45
livingonli on 09/12/2008 17:38:45
I guess you meant sexist when talking about McMooseburger. And any respect I had for McSame is long gone. He is showing his true colors by throwing away any integrity in order to win or steal the White House.
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2008 17:40:44
Raine on 09/12/2008 17:40:44
Why should Sarah Palin have the respect of Barack Obama? How did he disprespect her?
Who the hell is she? MArie Antoinette?
Who the hell is she? MArie Antoinette?
Comment by TriSec on 09/12/2008 17:43:11
I guess that leaves armed rebellion, then. :pirate:
TriSec on 09/12/2008 17:43:11
Quote by livingonli:Quote by TriSec:
It's over.
Who are these people? Who are all these fucking idiots?
Well, if McCain wins it's official; we're a global pariah state and richly deserve whatever the rest of the world does, whether it's marginalizing us, moving on past us, or maybe taking some sort of global action via the UN.
And if Harper gets a majority in the October 14th Canadian Election, moving north is not even an option.
I guess that leaves armed rebellion, then. :pirate:
Comment by Scoopster on 09/12/2008 17:44:17
We will rise up in the cafeteria and stab them with our sporks!
Scoopster on 09/12/2008 17:44:17
Quote by TriSec:Quote by livingonli:Quote by TriSec:
It's over.
Who are these people? Who are all these fucking idiots?
Well, if McCain wins it's official; we're a global pariah state and richly deserve whatever the rest of the world does, whether it's marginalizing us, moving on past us, or maybe taking some sort of global action via the UN.
And if Harper gets a majority in the October 14th Canadian Election, moving north is not even an option.
I guess that leaves armed rebellion, then. :pirate:
We will rise up in the cafeteria and stab them with our sporks!
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2008 17:44:56
Raine on 09/12/2008 17:44:56
Blog Challenge:
Find ONE picture of John McCain wearing a flag pin on 9/11™. 2008.
Find ONE picture of John McCain wearing a flag pin on 9/11™. 2008.
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2008 17:48:00
Something is wrong there, tri... NY a WEAK dem sate? Something is not right with this.
Raine on 09/12/2008 17:48:00
Quote by TriSec:
It's over.
Who are these people? Who are all these fucking idiots?
Well, if McCain wins it's official; we're a global pariah state and richly deserve whatever the rest of the world does, whether it's marginalizing us, moving on past us, or maybe taking some sort of global action via the UN.
Comment by TriSec on 09/12/2008 17:51:08
TriSec on 09/12/2008 17:51:08
Don't mock it scoop. You're aware Vermont has a thriving separatist movement. My feeling is the rest of New England is just steps away from joining up. If McCain wins, they may try to go through with it.
I said it before, especially now with the neo-cons growing in stature north of the border. Get a map, and draw a line around the New England states and the Maritime Provinces.
Looks pretty good, doesn't it?
I said it before, especially now with the neo-cons growing in stature north of the border. Get a map, and draw a line around the New England states and the Maritime Provinces.
Looks pretty good, doesn't it?
Comment by livingonli on 09/12/2008 17:51:32
Even if you consider upstate NY being a little more Republican, that would have to assume that the PUMAs do exist. The poll data is not adding up or only the stupid people are being asked.
livingonli on 09/12/2008 17:51:32
Quote by Raine:Something is wrong there, tri... NY a WEAK dem sate? Something is not right with this.Quote by TriSec:
It's over.
Who are these people? Who are all these fucking idiots?
Well, if McCain wins it's official; we're a global pariah state and richly deserve whatever the rest of the world does, whether it's marginalizing us, moving on past us, or maybe taking some sort of global action via the UN.
Even if you consider upstate NY being a little more Republican, that would have to assume that the PUMAs do exist. The poll data is not adding up or only the stupid people are being asked.
Comment by livingonli on 09/12/2008 17:53:51
If that happens I know where I'm moving. You should hear what the premier of Newfoundland has been saying about Harper. He's basically lumped Harper with Bush and said he would bring Canada in the same direction.
livingonli on 09/12/2008 17:53:51
Quote by TriSec:
Don't mock it scoop. You're aware Vermont has a thriving separatist movement. My feeling is the rest of New England is just steps away from joining up. If McCain wins, they may try to go through with it.
I said it before, especially now with the neo-cons growing in stature north of the border. Get a map, and draw a line around the New England states and the Maritime Provinces.
Looks pretty good, doesn't it?
If that happens I know where I'm moving. You should hear what the premier of Newfoundland has been saying about Harper. He's basically lumped Harper with Bush and said he would bring Canada in the same direction.
Comment by Scoopster on 09/12/2008 17:54:50
Oh I'm with ya.. not trying to mock it, just being a little snarky. There's some crappy stuff goin' on today in this campaign and I'm really starting to get nervous. I suppose I'll find out how much of it is warranted this weekend in Nashua.
Scoopster on 09/12/2008 17:54:50
Quote by TriSec:
Don't mock it scoop. You're aware Vermont has a thriving separatist movement. My feeling is the rest of New England is just steps away from joining up. If McCain wins, they may try to go through with it.
I said it before, especially now with the neo-cons growing in stature north of the border. Get a map, and draw a line around the New England states and the Maritime Provinces.
Looks pretty good, doesn't it?
Oh I'm with ya.. not trying to mock it, just being a little snarky. There's some crappy stuff goin' on today in this campaign and I'm really starting to get nervous. I suppose I'll find out how much of it is warranted this weekend in Nashua.
Comment by BobR on 09/12/2008 18:05:13
It's over??
It's not over until WE say it's over.
Did the U.S. say it was over when the German's bombed Pearl Harbor? No!
Seriously, though.... over?
BobR on 09/12/2008 18:05:13
Quote by TriSec:
It's over.
Who are these people? Who are all these fucking idiots?
Well, if McCain wins it's official; we're a global pariah state and richly deserve whatever the rest of the world does, whether it's marginalizing us, moving on past us, or maybe taking some sort of global action via the UN.
It's over??
It's not over until WE say it's over.
Did the U.S. say it was over when the German's bombed Pearl Harbor? No!
Seriously, though.... over?
Comment by TriSec on 09/12/2008 18:16:18
TriSec on 09/12/2008 18:16:18
I'm on edge here Bob.
I was never nervous about the polls before, because all the electoral college data pointed to Obama. This is the first poll I've seen that has that number changing, too.
Fuck this political system that had the conventions back-to-back. Who's idea was that? Did the Dems announce their schedule and then the Repugs swooped in and went
??
Nothing they do is beyond suspicion. Nothing. If the President was standing outside in the Rose Garden in the sun telling us what a beautiful day it is, I'd suspect they were in a TV studio somewhere with the proper effects.
Seriously, If I was personally on fire and felt my own flesh burning, if a Republican told me I was on fire I would not believe the bastard.
I was never nervous about the polls before, because all the electoral college data pointed to Obama. This is the first poll I've seen that has that number changing, too.
Fuck this political system that had the conventions back-to-back. Who's idea was that? Did the Dems announce their schedule and then the Repugs swooped in and went
??Nothing they do is beyond suspicion. Nothing. If the President was standing outside in the Rose Garden in the sun telling us what a beautiful day it is, I'd suspect they were in a TV studio somewhere with the proper effects.
Seriously, If I was personally on fire and felt my own flesh burning, if a Republican told me I was on fire I would not believe the bastard.
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2008 18:22:01
I do consider upsate... and that Poll is wrong.
No effing way NYS is a weak dem state. No way. That is like saying NYC is a republican city. it isn't.
Raine on 09/12/2008 18:22:01
Quote by livingonli:Quote by Raine:Something is wrong there, tri... NY a WEAK dem sate? Something is not right with this.Quote by TriSec:
It's over.
Who are these people? Who are all these fucking idiots?
Well, if McCain wins it's official; we're a global pariah state and richly deserve whatever the rest of the world does, whether it's marginalizing us, moving on past us, or maybe taking some sort of global action via the UN.
Even if you consider upstate NY being a little more Republican, that would have to assume that the PUMAs do exist. The poll data is not adding up or only the stupid people are being asked.
No effing way NYS is a weak dem state. No way. That is like saying NYC is a republican city. it isn't.
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2008 18:23:19
Tri, I love you, I do, but you don't say it is over becuase of this. This is a fake bounce becuase of the person picked by MCCAin.
This is not over.
Raine on 09/12/2008 18:23:19
Quote by TriSec:
I'm on edge here Bob.
I was never nervous about the polls before, because all the electoral college data pointed to Obama. This is the first poll I've seen that has that number changing, too.
Fuck this political system that had the conventions back-to-back. Who's idea was that? Did the Dems announce their schedule and then the Repugs swooped in and went
Nothing they do is beyond suspicion. Nothing. If the President was standing outside in the Rose Garden in the sun telling us what a beautiful day it is, I'd suspect they were in a TV studio somewhere with the proper effects.
Seriously, If I was personally on fire and felt my own flesh burning, if a Republican told me I was on fire I would not believe the bastard.
This is not over.
Comment by BobR on 09/12/2008 18:27:56
I agree on the assessment of the Republicans, but look at the reality of this. They got a post-convention bounce with a surprise VP pick that seems initially appealing. However, the facts on her are leaking out, the Obama camp has a lot of money for ads, and the debates are still to come. This "honeymoon" with Palin will wear off.
BobR on 09/12/2008 18:27:56
Quote by TriSec:
I'm on edge here Bob.
I was never nervous about the polls before, because all the electoral college data pointed to Obama. This is the first poll I've seen that has that number changing, too.
Fuck this political system that had the conventions back-to-back. Who's idea was that? Did the Dems announce their schedule and then the Repugs swooped in and went
Nothing they do is beyond suspicion. Nothing. If the President was standing outside in the Rose Garden in the sun telling us what a beautiful day it is, I'd suspect they were in a TV studio somewhere with the proper effects.
Seriously, If I was personally on fire and felt my own flesh burning, if a Republican told me I was on fire I would not believe the bastard.
I agree on the assessment of the Republicans, but look at the reality of this. They got a post-convention bounce with a surprise VP pick that seems initially appealing. However, the facts on her are leaking out, the Obama camp has a lot of money for ads, and the debates are still to come. This "honeymoon" with Palin will wear off.
Comment by velveeta jones on 09/12/2008 18:28:09
velveeta jones on 09/12/2008 18:28:09
Afternoon all. Back from a bit of shopping/work/meeting. So......... ya'll missed the View? So did I. Thankfully, HuffPo is on top of it. This is a must read/watch. Finally some actual questions to John McCain. Even Joy Behar calling him on his lies!!
GOOD STUFF HERE
If you have a chance, please Digg it. I am also writing a letter to The View. We need to encourage journalists to ask questions of the (dare I say it.....) Hardball variety!
********
Hello Will! How hot is it in Phoenix? :lol:
GOOD STUFF HERE
If you have a chance, please Digg it. I am also writing a letter to The View. We need to encourage journalists to ask questions of the (dare I say it.....) Hardball variety!
********
Hello Will! How hot is it in Phoenix? :lol:
Comment by TriSec on 09/12/2008 18:35:21
TriSec on 09/12/2008 18:35:21
I hope you're all right.
I don't want to ponder the alternatives. I don't want Javi growing up under a McCain presidency. Period.
By any means necessary.
I don't want to ponder the alternatives. I don't want Javi growing up under a McCain presidency. Period.
By any means necessary.
Comment by Random on 09/12/2008 18:36:40
Okay, call me naive, and young, but not sure how that makes McCain a racist. Makes him more of a sexist in my mind. Saying the woman needs to be protected and you can't say anything about her.
but...just my mind...don't look for racism in every attack by McCain.
Random on 09/12/2008 18:36:40
Quote by Scoopster:
McShame's new ad slams Obama for being "disrespectful of the white female VP nominee"
WHAT A FUCKING RACIST ASSHAT.
Okay, call me naive, and young, but not sure how that makes McCain a racist. Makes him more of a sexist in my mind. Saying the woman needs to be protected and you can't say anything about her.
but...just my mind...don't look for racism in every attack by McCain.
Comment by Scoopster on 09/12/2008 18:44:03
Scoopster on 09/12/2008 18:44:03
You want to know what's got me bugged?
My boss and I were talking today and he reminded me how Guiliani skipped the first few primaries to wait for Florida.. and ended up with one delegate.
So now I see all this stuff about "oh just wait, Obama's a master of timing he's just waiting for the right moment!" Yeah, well what if that damn moment is too late.
He can't afford to wait. He has to take this thing over hard and strong - and NOW.
My boss and I were talking today and he reminded me how Guiliani skipped the first few primaries to wait for Florida.. and ended up with one delegate.
So now I see all this stuff about "oh just wait, Obama's a master of timing he's just waiting for the right moment!" Yeah, well what if that damn moment is too late.
He can't afford to wait. He has to take this thing over hard and strong - and NOW.
Comment by Random on 09/12/2008 18:46:07
Random on 09/12/2008 18:46:07
Reason 120324123412 (or something...I've lost count) Why Sarah Palin should not be VP or let anywhere near the White House: 9/11 - Iraq
Comment by TriSec on 09/12/2008 18:46:11
TriSec on 09/12/2008 18:46:11
Read Up, youngling.
This is what used to happen when black men were not "respectful" towards white women.
This is what used to happen when black men were not "respectful" towards white women.
Comment by TriSec on 09/12/2008 18:48:16
No, that's retarded, and continues to prove my point about Republicans.
TriSec on 09/12/2008 18:48:16
Quote by Random:
THIS is Racist
No, that's retarded, and continues to prove my point about Republicans.
Comment by BobR on 09/12/2008 18:48:20
BobR on 09/12/2008 18:48:20
Comment by BobR on 09/12/2008 18:49:08
BobR on 09/12/2008 18:49:08
blog mind meld...
Comment by Random on 09/12/2008 18:50:22
If that's Emmit till, I won't (excuse me if i spelled his name wrong).
But maybe I'm a bit passed the race thing, and pretty sure that if it were Biden at the top of the ticket, it'd be the same ad. And At some point, unless it's blatant racism (which the ad is not, since no mention of race is made) I don't think it's fair to cry racism. Since only the retarded and overly paranoid...or overly sensitive will see racism in it.
Random on 09/12/2008 18:50:22
Quote by TriSec:
Read Up, youngling.
This is what used to happen when black men were not "respectful" towards white women.
If that's Emmit till, I won't (excuse me if i spelled his name wrong).
But maybe I'm a bit passed the race thing, and pretty sure that if it were Biden at the top of the ticket, it'd be the same ad. And At some point, unless it's blatant racism (which the ad is not, since no mention of race is made) I don't think it's fair to cry racism. Since only the retarded and overly paranoid...or overly sensitive will see racism in it.
Comment by Scoopster on 09/12/2008 18:54:50
Scoopster on 09/12/2008 18:54:50
Comment by velveeta jones on 09/12/2008 18:57:21
velveeta jones on 09/12/2008 18:57:21
Call me whatever you want. Sexist. Liberal. Hippie. I wouldn't vote for this woman for anything:
How "Christian" is that?
In a program begun by ex-Gov. Frank Murkowski, and intensified by Palin, Alaska has sponsored the aerial hunting of more than 800 wolves since 2002 — out of a state population of perhaps 9,000. Pilots chase the wolves through the deep snow, sometimes for miles, until the exhausted animals have slowed enough to be blown away with shotguns. Then the plane lands and finishes the job, unless the wounded wolf has managed to crawl into the deep woods to bleed to death in solitude.
How "Christian" is that?
Comment by TriSec on 09/12/2008 19:04:02
TriSec on 09/12/2008 19:04:02
Gonna take more than Merlins to get me out of this funk...
:peace:
:peace:
Comment by BobR on 09/12/2008 19:08:41
IT'S FRIDAY, YA BASTAHDS!
:boobs2:
:boobs2:
:bounce:
:boobs:
:bouncer:
:trumpet:
:guitar:
:heart:
:heart: :heart: :heart: :heart:
:guitar:
:trumpet:
:bouncer:
:boobs:
:bounce:
:boobs2: :boobs2:
BOUNCE!!!
BobR on 09/12/2008 19:08:41
IT'S FRIDAY, YA BASTAHDS!
:boobs2:
:boobs2::bounce:
:boobs:
:bouncer:
:trumpet:
:guitar:
:heart:
:heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :guitar:
:trumpet:
:bouncer:
:boobs:
:bounce:
:boobs2:
:boobs2:BOUNCE!!!
Comment by velveeta jones on 09/12/2008 19:09:50
velveeta jones on 09/12/2008 19:09:50
Comment by Scoopster on 09/12/2008 19:09:54
Scoopster on 09/12/2008 19:09:54
By the way, I have to ask this question..
Has anyone seen an Obama ad on national TV anyplace, outside of talking head shows I mean..
I haven't. I've seen a whole lotta McCain ads though, especially on channels like Spike, Vs., USA, ESPN and so on..
Has anyone seen an Obama ad on national TV anyplace, outside of talking head shows I mean..
I haven't. I've seen a whole lotta McCain ads though, especially on channels like Spike, Vs., USA, ESPN and so on..
Comment by TriSec on 09/12/2008 19:10:03
TriSec on 09/12/2008 19:10:03
Comment by Scoopster on 09/12/2008 19:10:19
Scoopster on 09/12/2008 19:10:19
:bounce:
Comment by TriSec on 09/12/2008 19:11:00
TriSec on 09/12/2008 19:11:00
No, I generally only see stuff on the local channels. There's been a lot of Obama ads on NECN and NESN.
McCain ads I tend to tune out; not sure where I've seen those.
McCain ads I tend to tune out; not sure where I've seen those.
Comment by TriSec on 09/12/2008 19:21:14
TriSec on 09/12/2008 19:21:14
Comment by starling310 on 09/12/2008 19:21:29
starling310 on 09/12/2008 19:21:29
Randi talking about Palin's hair and glasses. . . . I have to say I am bummed at how Palin wears her hair. Why? You ask. Well, yours truly is growing her hair out from very short to a little past the shoulder. Now, this process involves the hair seeming to grow at different rates...so the back always looks longer than the top, etc. Those of you at the DC meet up may remember the pigtails. MmmmHm...that's a "Growing Out" situation.
The best style, recently, that I have come up with to make it through the transition, is a sloppy, pseudo naughty librarian updo with the plastic clip, long bangs in the front, tucked behind the ear.
Imagine my shock when the God Warrior had the same doo as !!!
The best style, recently, that I have come up with to make it through the transition, is a sloppy, pseudo naughty librarian updo with the plastic clip, long bangs in the front, tucked behind the ear.
Imagine my shock when the God Warrior had the same doo as
!!!
Comment by livingonli on 09/12/2008 19:30:30
livingonli on 09/12/2008 19:30:30
And it's time for another night in the saltmine. Between the weather and this election, I need something to get out of this funk.
Calgon, take me away!
Just in case I don't get a chance to post later. Good night folks.
Calgon, take me away!
Just in case I don't get a chance to post later. Good night folks.
Comment by BobR on 09/12/2008 19:32:36
May the Salt be With You...
or not... or... something....
never mind. :kickcan:
BobR on 09/12/2008 19:32:36
Quote by livingonli:
And it's time for another night in the saltmine. Between the weather and this election, I need something to get out of this funk.
Calgon, take me away!
Just in case I don't get a chance to post later. Good night folks.
May the Salt be With You...
or not... or... something....
never mind. :kickcan:
Comment by Scoopster on 09/12/2008 19:34:42
Scoopster on 09/12/2008 19:34:42
Comment by BobR on 09/12/2008 19:37:13
My Palin name is "Rankle Hiway Palin"
Rankle works for me!
BobR on 09/12/2008 19:37:13
Quote by Scoopster:
Sarah Palin Baby Name Generator - I'm "Drill Swollen Palin" :rofl:
My Palin name is "Rankle Hiway Palin"
Rankle works for me!
Comment by starling310 on 09/12/2008 19:38:13
starling310 on 09/12/2008 19:38:13
SLAP SPEAR PALIN!
Comment by velveeta jones on 09/12/2008 19:40:42
Sadly, Velveeta's name sounds like the name of a rough-handling, unlean Ob/GYN:
"Slap Spear Palin"
velveeta jones on 09/12/2008 19:40:42
Quote by Scoopster:
Sarah Palin Baby Name Generator - I'm "Drill Swollen Palin" :rofl:
Sadly, Velveeta's name sounds like the name of a rough-handling, unlean Ob/GYN:
"Slap Spear Palin"
Comment by Scoopster on 09/12/2008 19:41:18
Scoopster on 09/12/2008 19:41:18
Oh my.. and are twins!
and are twins!
Comment by starling310 on 09/12/2008 19:43:44
Ha! I was actually thinking that it sounds like it could be Bristol Palin's Baby Daddy nickname. He is a hockey player.
starling310 on 09/12/2008 19:43:44
Quote by velveeta jones:Quote by Scoopster:
Sarah Palin Baby Name Generator - I'm "Drill Swollen Palin" :rofl:
Sadly, Velveeta's name sounds like the name of a rough-handling, unlean Ob/GYN:
"Slap Spear Palin"
Ha! I was actually thinking that it sounds like it could be Bristol Palin's Baby Daddy nickname. He is a hockey player.
Comment by TriSec on 09/12/2008 19:46:45
TriSec on 09/12/2008 19:46:45
Ok, so I'm wrong. Wright R-1820s did me some good after all.
Comment by TriSec on 09/12/2008 19:48:18
Open Aircraft Palin
TriSec on 09/12/2008 19:48:18
Quote by Scoopster:
Sarah Palin Baby Name Generator - I'm "Drill Swollen Palin" :rofl:
Open Aircraft Palin
Comment by Scoopster on 09/12/2008 19:53:34
Scoopster on 09/12/2008 19:53:34
Oh wow Tri.. that's just too close to home!
Comment by wickedpam on 09/12/2008 20:34:50
Knife Pile Palin ? :scratchhead:
wickedpam on 09/12/2008 20:34:50
Quote by Scoopster:
Sarah Palin Baby Name Generator - I'm "Drill Swollen Palin" :rofl:
Knife Pile Palin ? :scratchhead:
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2008 20:36:39
Raine on 09/12/2008 20:36:39
Randi is great today. She is wondering why the HELL people have not left Galveston. I am wondering myself.
the pictures from MSNBC are really amazing already.
the pictures from MSNBC are really amazing already.
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2008 20:40:50
I have.
I am in the new battleground state tho...
truthfully, when I lived in NY, I never saw an ad for Kerry or *ush.
Seems to me that McCain thinks he can take that state... Seems to me Obamam might be assuming things.
I dunno, here in atlanta, I have seens ads for both, and mcCain drives me up the wall.
Raine on 09/12/2008 20:40:50
Quote by Scoopster:
By the way, I have to ask this question..
Has anyone seen an Obama ad on national TV anyplace, outside of talking head shows I mean..
I haven't. I've seen a whole lotta McCain ads though, especially on channels like Spike, Vs., USA, ESPN and so on..
I have.
I am in the new battleground state tho...
truthfully, when I lived in NY, I never saw an ad for Kerry or *ush.
Seems to me that McCain thinks he can take that state... Seems to me Obamam might be assuming things.
I dunno, here in atlanta, I have seens ads for both, and mcCain drives me up the wall.
Comment by wickedpam on 09/12/2008 20:41:50
wickedpam on 09/12/2008 20:41:50
I have a friends in the area of the storm - one is staying because 1) he is a college student from Mexico and doesnt' really have any place to go but to an aunts house that is local and 2) he feels that he can help once the storm has cleared and if people need help aid groups can use the help with translating.
The other is a college student near Houston, he's worried but he and his family don't really have any place to go either.
The other is a college student near Houston, he's worried but he and his family don't really have any place to go either.
Comment by wickedpam on 09/12/2008 20:46:25
I've seen a few too - VA also ranks as a new battleground state. I'm hoping it stays that way its' nice to have some attention
wickedpam on 09/12/2008 20:46:25
Quote by Raine:Quote by Scoopster:
By the way, I have to ask this question..
Has anyone seen an Obama ad on national TV anyplace, outside of talking head shows I mean..
I haven't. I've seen a whole lotta McCain ads though, especially on channels like Spike, Vs., USA, ESPN and so on..
I have.
I am in the new battleground state tho...
truthfully, when I lived in NY, I never saw an ad for Kerry or *ush.
Seems to me that McCain thinks he can take that state... Seems to me Obamam might be assuming things.
I dunno, here in atlanta, I have seens ads for both, and mcCain drives me up the wall.
I've seen a few too - VA also ranks as a new battleground state. I'm hoping it stays that way its' nice to have some attention
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2008 20:49:09
If I were a lesser person, I would put a sign across the street...
IT might say that Sarah Palin is a hermaphrodite. it makes about as much sense. problem is no one knows what that means.
And trust me... Sarah has an adams apple. ;)
Raine on 09/12/2008 20:49:09
Quote by Random:
THIS is Racist
If I were a lesser person, I would put a sign across the street...
IT might say that Sarah Palin is a hermaphrodite. it makes about as much sense. problem is no one knows what that means.
And trust me... Sarah has an adams apple. ;)
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2008 20:51:45
I know it is a distance for them Mala, but they have a place here in Atlanta if they need. They need to get out of harms way now.
Life is more important than where to go. I know it isn't much, but something is better than no place to go.
Raine on 09/12/2008 20:51:45
Quote by wickedpam:
I have a friends in the area of the storm - one is staying because 1) he is a college student from Mexico and doesnt' really have any place to go but to an aunts house that is local and 2) he feels that he can help once the storm has cleared and if people need help aid groups can use the help with translating.
The other is a college student near Houston, he's worried but he and his family don't really have any place to go either.
I know it is a distance for them Mala, but they have a place here in Atlanta if they need. They need to get out of harms way now.
Life is more important than where to go. I know it isn't much, but something is better than no place to go.
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2008 20:57:03
Raine on 09/12/2008 20:57:03
LIStening to Randi... it occurs to me thatSarah Palin is Stacy's Mom!!! :rofl:
I am going to the penalty box now.... :P
I am going to the penalty box now.... :P
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2008 21:11:34
Raine on 09/12/2008 21:11:34
Can someone PLEASE explain to me why it ok for sarah to be leaving an infant home for the campaign trail?
Am I sexist for asking this? I am not tryiong to be. This is a little baby.
Seriously, if I a m wrong., tell me... I am having a problem with the fact that sarah is going to be spending more time WITH mcCain on the trail than without.
Am I sexist for asking this? I am not tryiong to be. This is a little baby.
Seriously, if I a m wrong., tell me... I am having a problem with the fact that sarah is going to be spending more time WITH mcCain on the trail than without.
Comment by wickedpam on 09/12/2008 21:13:19
That's very true and I'm sure they would appreacate the offer but I dont' think they have their cars with them. Think it's going to come in as a low cat 3 high cat 2, Mom's ridden out a Fran a mid to strong cat 3, in Wilmington so I know they will be fine. It's the same problem that happened with New Orleans, they aren't holding back a massive river as far as I know.
They're gonna be okay, they're smart kids.
wickedpam on 09/12/2008 21:13:19
Quote by Raine:Quote by wickedpam:
I have a friends in the area of the storm - one is staying because 1) he is a college student from Mexico and doesnt' really have any place to go but to an aunts house that is local and 2) he feels that he can help once the storm has cleared and if people need help aid groups can use the help with translating.
The other is a college student near Houston, he's worried but he and his family don't really have any place to go either.
I know it is a distance for them Mala, but they have a place here in Atlanta if they need. They need to get out of harms way now.
Life is more important than where to go. I know it isn't much, but something is better than no place to go.
That's very true and I'm sure they would appreacate the offer but I dont' think they have their cars with them. Think it's going to come in as a low cat 3 high cat 2, Mom's ridden out a Fran a mid to strong cat 3, in Wilmington so I know they will be fine. It's the same problem that happened with New Orleans, they aren't holding back a massive river as far as I know.
They're gonna be okay, they're smart kids.
Comment by wickedpam on 09/12/2008 21:15:28
wickedpam on 09/12/2008 21:15:28
okay - gotta run again - see everyone later
Comment by Random on 09/12/2008 21:28:46
Random on 09/12/2008 21:28:46
Ripper Shook Palin
Woot! I'm the next mission in Iraq.
Ripper Shook!
Woot! I'm the next mission in Iraq.
Ripper Shook!
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2008 21:53:01
Raine on 09/12/2008 21:53:01
Todd's SS mane is Driller? are you shiting me???
DRILLER???
DRILLER???
Comment by BobR on 09/12/2008 22:06:14
BobR on 09/12/2008 22:06:14
holy crap - the price of oil actually went below $100/bbl!!
Did the price of gas go down too?
Did the price of gas go down too?
Comment by Random on 09/13/2008 00:35:48
Random on 09/13/2008 00:35:48
Waaaait
No one is here?
No one is here?
Comment by TriSec on 09/13/2008 00:58:55
:ph34r:
TriSec on 09/13/2008 00:58:55
Quote by Random:
Waaaait
No one is here?
:ph34r:
Comment by velveeta jones on 09/13/2008 01:18:56
velveeta jones on 09/13/2008 01:18:56
Found it!
Chris Matthews grows a pair. A small pair, but a pair all the same. Very good. If you missed this, you must watch!
Chris Matthews grows a pair. A small pair, but a pair all the same. Very good. If you missed this, you must watch!
Comment by Raine on 09/13/2008 02:40:53
Raine on 09/13/2008 02:40:53
Hola... having a bit of a break before Bill MAher comes on the HBO mosheen... and I am off the check out the vid velveeta provided.
Comment by Raine on 09/13/2008 02:50:45
Raine on 09/13/2008 02:50:45
Ok, I saw the video, and yes I applaud Tweety. This was a really good insight. I would REALLY love for the MEDIA to call slime what it is.
I will offer myself up as a person who has NOT hated him. I have found him to be an opportunist, I never found him to be left or right, I found him to go the way of the wind. (I also think he REALLY wants to run for office in Pennsylvania) HAving said that, tweety annoys me on a daily basis.
There is a bigger question tho, that I really would like to ask. A Serious question. Sarah Palin is MCCain's VP. Joe Biden is Barack's. Joe is carrying the message of the Obama campaign... Why is it ok for Sarah to NOT message with John McCain? She is NOT carrying his *message*
So really who does this campaign belong to? Is it Sarah's? Is it Johns? Who is in charge of this campaign?
I will offer myself up as a person who has NOT hated him. I have found him to be an opportunist, I never found him to be left or right, I found him to go the way of the wind. (I also think he REALLY wants to run for office in Pennsylvania) HAving said that, tweety annoys me on a daily basis.
There is a bigger question tho, that I really would like to ask. A Serious question. Sarah Palin is MCCain's VP. Joe Biden is Barack's. Joe is carrying the message of the Obama campaign... Why is it ok for Sarah to NOT message with John McCain? She is NOT carrying his *message*
So really who does this campaign belong to? Is it Sarah's? Is it Johns? Who is in charge of this campaign?
Comment by Raine on 09/13/2008 03:43:40
Raine on 09/13/2008 03:43:40
I hate republican pundits.
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/13/2008 04:03:19
The price of gas here has gone up by about a quarter! Worra Worra IKE! Worra worra.
Mondobubba on 09/13/2008 04:03:19
Quote by BobR:
holy crap - the price of oil actually went below $100/bbl!!
Did the price of gas go down too?
The price of gas here has gone up by about a quarter! Worra Worra IKE! Worra worra.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 09/13/2008 04:27:22
It is a dry heat, so it is not bad unless the humidity rises. Mind you, I am doing my best to adjust by drinking lots of water and wearing comfortable clothes.
Will in Chicago on 09/13/2008 04:27:22
Quote by velveeta jones:
Afternoon all. Back from a bit of shopping/work/meeting. So......... ya'll missed the View? So did I. Thankfully, HuffPo is on top of it. This is a must read/watch. Finally some actual questions to John McCain. Even Joy Behar calling him on his lies!!
GOOD STUFF HERE
If you have a chance, please Digg it. I am also writing a letter to The View. We need to encourage journalists to ask questions of the (dare I say it.....) Hardball variety!
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Hello Will! How hot is it in Phoenix? :lol:
It is a dry heat, so it is not bad unless the humidity rises. Mind you, I am doing my best to adjust by drinking lots of water and wearing comfortable clothes.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 09/13/2008 04:39:04
Will in Chicago on 09/13/2008 04:39:04
Raine, the trip went well - although I was slightly ill on the stretch between Oklahoma City and Amarillo (I made it to to Tucumcari, New Mexico that day.) My dog Holly is well, and is enjoying her new dog and cat friends here!!
Sorry for being out of touch.
Sorry for being out of touch.
Comment by livingonli on 09/13/2008 06:52:50
livingonli on 09/13/2008 06:52:50
Test. 