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A Storm's Aftermath
Author: BobR
Date: 09/19/2008 12:34:27
This past week the news has been wall-to-wall with coverage of the economic meltdown. Between it and the escalating campaign rhetoric, most other news items have been essentially ignored. One of those news items was all anyone was talking about a week ago: Hurricane Ike. He's gone and may be forgotten by most of the U.S., but his memory lives on along the southern coast.
They say the first casualty in war is the truth. Apparently the first casualty after a hurricane is freedom of the press, followed closely by common sense. When it was discovered that there were dead bodies laying around on the streets of Galveston and in the surrounding water, the government did what one might expect: They made it a no-fly zone to hide it from American eyes:
It's hard to imagine how (this time) the government could be blamed for the deaths in Galveston. The NWS stated in no uncertain terms that those who stayed faced certain death. Galveston is not New Orleans; there is (was) not a large contingent of the population that had no access to transportation off the island.
Instead, many people chose to stay and face "certain death" because they felt they could better protect their property in the aftermath:
Of course, it doesn't help when pin-heads like Bill O'Reilly proclaim that predictions about the approaching storm are all "hype":
I too wonder how many people died from taking this idiot at his word.
But I suppose people have a reason to distrust their government's handling of the aftermath. The inaction and gross incompetence after Katrina was criminal and is still being dealt with today, 3 years later. Will the survivors of Hurrican Ike suffer a similar fate? So far, it's not looking too good. Besides incompetence distributing food to survivors (they are handing out food that needs to be cooked to people with no electric or gas), FEMA has decided not to distribute ice:
This has GOT to change. The last 7 years of Republican rule have devastated our ability to cope with disasters; instead they are trying to hide the aftermath from people (strange how the like to use fear when they want to claim they can protect us from external dangers...). With the election less than 7 weeks away, you have to wonder: how are the people in Galveston (and other areas hit by Ike) going to be able to vote? For that matter, what happens if another hurricane or bad storm hits? There's been a lot of flooding in midwest. What if the electricity goes out on election day?
Voter Rights groups in Ohio are posing that very question to the Ohio Secretary of State:
These are important issues. Remember the huge blackout several years back that blackened a third of the northern states? What would happen if on election day a huge number of "blue states" lost power? Would there be a "do over"?... or a Supreme Court hearing?
The people of Galveston likely won't have a place to vote come election day. How will that be handled? Natural disasters are bad enough, taking lives and destroying property in their wake. We can't allow them to destroy our democratic process as well. We can't allow poor planning and criminal negligence in the face of disaster to be rewarded.
They say the first casualty in war is the truth. Apparently the first casualty after a hurricane is freedom of the press, followed closely by common sense. When it was discovered that there were dead bodies laying around on the streets of Galveston and in the surrounding water, the government did what one might expect: They made it a no-fly zone to hide it from American eyes:
The ABC News affiliate in Houston carried a video of investigative reporter Wayne Dolcefino confronting Texas governor Rick Perry about temporary “no-fly” zones for TV helicopters over parts of the Bolivar peninsula and west Galveston, the hardest hit areas. Later in the video, Dolcefino tells the ABC anchors:
...
"You know, we hear about disasters in other countries—what was it, Burma, Myanmar—where they won’t let people in to see and you know, this is the state of Texas; this America. And we’re not trying to interfere with rescue and search operations, nor did anyone suggest we would be."
When asked why he thought the government was obstructing access, Dolcefino did not mince words:
"I don’t think they want us to see images that may remind people… of the images that we saw in New Orleans. I don’t think they want us to see the images that were seen in Waveland, Mississippi or Gulfport… I think that’s the reality; they do not want us to see yet, until they can control what we see and how we see it. And that is simply, at least in my career, unacceptable. Maybe a lot of reporters won’t say it, but I will. I think they do not want us to see images of potential fatalities that may be on land or on water".
It's hard to imagine how (this time) the government could be blamed for the deaths in Galveston. The NWS stated in no uncertain terms that those who stayed faced certain death. Galveston is not New Orleans; there is (was) not a large contingent of the population that had no access to transportation off the island.
Instead, many people chose to stay and face "certain death" because they felt they could better protect their property in the aftermath:
But down here on Moss Lake, Hackberry, a town of some 3,000 people and with an average annual income of $37,336, the calculation had less to do with foolhardiness and more with protecting property and animals.
"Survivin' is the name of the game down here," says storm rider Ernest Welch of Hackberry.
In fact, many of the holdouts here share a common distrust of government, intensified by a spate of recent hurricanes and ensuing political maneuvering about who can rebuild.
....
In Galveston, an attempt to allow residents to return to the island was scrapped Tuesday as I-45 piled up with frustrated residents wanting to survey the damage. Meanwhile, 15,000 Galvestonians who stayed were busy cleaning up after the storm, mostly in good spirits despite lack of water and sewer facilities.
"What's happening in Galveston right now is that people who stayed are putting tarps on their roofs and those who did what the government wanted can't get back to their homes to minimize further damage," says Eliot Jennings, Galveston's former emergency management director.
Of course, it doesn't help when pin-heads like Bill O'Reilly proclaim that predictions about the approaching storm are all "hype":
Last week, prior to Hurricane Ike hitting the Texas coast, Bill O'Reilly told his Radio Factor listeners that the dire warnings of Ike's potential damage and threats to life were "hype."
....
Wonder how many of those Folks™ listen(ed) to Bill, and believe what he says isn't hype.
I too wonder how many people died from taking this idiot at his word.
But I suppose people have a reason to distrust their government's handling of the aftermath. The inaction and gross incompetence after Katrina was criminal and is still being dealt with today, 3 years later. Will the survivors of Hurrican Ike suffer a similar fate? So far, it's not looking too good. Besides incompetence distributing food to survivors (they are handing out food that needs to be cooked to people with no electric or gas), FEMA has decided not to distribute ice:
It's frustrating that the government can deliver $85 billion to bail out AIG, and they can't deliver ice in Texas," said Ben Smilowitz, executive director of the Disaster Accountability Project (DAP), a nonpartisan organization that monitors the nation's disaster response system.
In fact, while the federal government can deliver ice to disaster areas, it's chosen not to, under newly-revised FEMA rules. Instead, individual states and local governments are now tasked with purchasing, delivering and storing ice, even though they face tough logistical challenges in doing so, according to critics of the new policy.
Besides preserving food when electricity is out, ice is essential in maintaining temperature-sensitive medication and feeding formulas and keeping people cool in the aftermath of disaster, relief and support workers say.
This has GOT to change. The last 7 years of Republican rule have devastated our ability to cope with disasters; instead they are trying to hide the aftermath from people (strange how the like to use fear when they want to claim they can protect us from external dangers...). With the election less than 7 weeks away, you have to wonder: how are the people in Galveston (and other areas hit by Ike) going to be able to vote? For that matter, what happens if another hurricane or bad storm hits? There's been a lot of flooding in midwest. What if the electricity goes out on election day?
Voter Rights groups in Ohio are posing that very question to the Ohio Secretary of State:
Ike has blown all the way up into the Great Lakes region with devastating impact. Power has been knocked out and airports shut by gale-force winds up to 78 miles per hour. Days later, hundreds of thousands of Midwesterners remain blacked out, and casualties still mount. Ohio Governor Ted Strickland has declared a state of emergency, with up to 2 million Ohioans still without power.
A repeat performance on election day could change the course of US history if paper ballots are not universally ready.
A bitter battle now rages here in the Buckeye State over whether the Secretary of State’s office should provide as many paper ballots as voters might want.
Under current arrangements, half or more of Ohio’s may show up to the polls and be forced to cast their ballots on electronic touch-screen machines. Of 5.4 million ballots cast in 2004, George W. Bush’s official margin of victory was less than 119,000 votes.
These are important issues. Remember the huge blackout several years back that blackened a third of the northern states? What would happen if on election day a huge number of "blue states" lost power? Would there be a "do over"?... or a Supreme Court hearing?
The people of Galveston likely won't have a place to vote come election day. How will that be handled? Natural disasters are bad enough, taking lives and destroying property in their wake. We can't allow them to destroy our democratic process as well. We can't allow poor planning and criminal negligence in the face of disaster to be rewarded.
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Comment by 
wickedpam on 09/19/2008 12:59:17
wickedpam on 09/19/2008 12:59:17
morning :hug:
Comment by wickedpam on 09/19/2008 13:08:50
wickedpam on 09/19/2008 13:08:50
Argh! 
Comment by 
Grumpymann on 09/19/2008 13:09:11
Grumpymann on 09/19/2008 13:09:11
Comment by wickedpam on 09/19/2008 13:09:36
wickedpam on 09/19/2008 13:09:36
and how be sea dogs an' land lubbers this morning
Comment by wickedpam on 09/19/2008 13:10:54
wickedpam on 09/19/2008 13:10:54
Morning Grump! :pirate:
Comment by 
TriSec on 09/19/2008 13:11:16
TriSec on 09/19/2008 13:11:16
Pfft.
Comment by wickedpam on 09/19/2008 13:12:39
wickedpam on 09/19/2008 13:12:39
Comment by 
Shane-O on 09/19/2008 13:13:04
Shane-O on 09/19/2008 13:13:04
DJ!!!
Comment by Grumpymann on 09/19/2008 13:13:27
Hey Wicked!
Tri!
Hows ticks folks?
Grumpymann on 09/19/2008 13:13:27
Quote by wickedpam:
Morning Grump! :pirate:
Hey Wicked!
Tri!
Hows ticks folks?
Comment by Shane-O on 09/19/2008 13:13:52
Shane-O on 09/19/2008 13:13:52
BOBR!!!
Comment by wickedpam on 09/19/2008 13:14:22
wickedpam on 09/19/2008 13:14:22
that sounded kinda creepy
Comment by wickedpam on 09/19/2008 13:14:55
wickedpam on 09/19/2008 13:14:55
is that Bob's clips! how cool
Comment by TriSec on 09/19/2008 13:15:25
ENOUGH WITH THE DAMN GUYS AND GALS CRAP ALREADY!
TriSec on 09/19/2008 13:15:25
ENOUGH WITH THE DAMN GUYS AND GALS CRAP ALREADY!
Comment by wickedpam on 09/19/2008 13:15:27
wickedpam on 09/19/2008 13:15:27
not bad Grump - how's stuff with ya'll
Comment by Grumpymann on 09/19/2008 13:16:05
Sounds like James Taylor.
Grumpymann on 09/19/2008 13:16:05
Quote by wickedpam:
is that Bob's clips! how cool
Sounds like James Taylor.
Comment by TriSec on 09/19/2008 13:16:08
TriSec on 09/19/2008 13:16:08
Oh, was that our work? I literally just plugged in my headset to that.
:redface:
:redface:
Comment by Grumpymann on 09/19/2008 13:16:36
been better....
Grumpymann on 09/19/2008 13:16:36
Quote by wickedpam:
not bad Grump - how's stuff with ya'll
been better....
Comment by wickedpam on 09/19/2008 13:16:52
wickedpam on 09/19/2008 13:16:52
Lorretta Swit
Comment by Grumpymann on 09/19/2008 13:17:57
Grumpymann on 09/19/2008 13:17:57
Toledo SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!
Use to live there...
SHIT HOLE!
But Packos has pretty good HotDogs.
Use to live there...
SHIT HOLE!
But Packos has pretty good HotDogs.
Comment by Grumpymann on 09/19/2008 13:19:31
Grumpymann on 09/19/2008 13:19:31
Barracuda being called a good thing....?
Strange thing I just think we think very differently
Strange thing I just think we think very differently
Comment by wickedpam on 09/19/2008 13:19:41
wickedpam on 09/19/2008 13:19:41
so why was she using yahoo for a Gov account
Comment by wickedpam on 09/19/2008 13:20:37
I always thought those fish were scary more so then sharks
wickedpam on 09/19/2008 13:20:37
Quote by Grumpymann:
Barracuda being called a good thing....?
Strange thing I just think we think very differently
I always thought those fish were scary more so then sharks
Comment by TriSec on 09/19/2008 13:23:53
TriSec on 09/19/2008 13:23:53
Comment by Shane-O on 09/19/2008 13:25:17
Or as Jim's King Jong-Il would say:
Shane-O on 09/19/2008 13:25:17
Quote by wickedpam:
Argh!
Or as Jim's King Jong-Il would say:
Comment by wickedpam on 09/19/2008 13:28:08
See creepy!
now sharks - deadly but beautiful
wickedpam on 09/19/2008 13:28:08
Quote by TriSec:
See creepy!
now sharks - deadly but beautiful
Comment by wickedpam on 09/19/2008 13:29:14
:rofl:
Never, never forget how loud your speakers are up when you play that :lol:
wickedpam on 09/19/2008 13:29:14
Quote by Shane-O:Quote by wickedpam:
Argh!
Or as Jim's King Jong-Il would say:
:rofl:
Never, never forget how loud your speakers are up when you play that :lol:
Comment by 
starling310 on 09/19/2008 13:38:09
starling310 on 09/19/2008 13:38:09
Guten Morgen!! 
Heard this on the drive in...
Johhny Walker Comedy - - - Listen to "A President that looks like me"
:rofl:
Heard this on the drive in...
Johhny Walker Comedy - - - Listen to "A President that looks like me"
:rofl:
Comment by 
livingonli on 09/19/2008 13:38:20
livingonli on 09/19/2008 13:38:20
Good morning all. 
Oh, I have a headache.
So, Gov. Rick Perry has no problem finding dictatorships as an example of how to deal with national emergencies which is just to hide the problem from view instead of actually dealing with it. Has anyone filed a suit saying he can't do this? Further proof that the modern Republican Party has become a Fascist Political Party.
And as for Rush, he is further proof that you can be a failure and keep getting work. A man who claims he no longer wants to be a water carrier but still is.
Oh, I have a headache. So, Gov. Rick Perry has no problem finding dictatorships as an example of how to deal with national emergencies which is just to hide the problem from view instead of actually dealing with it. Has anyone filed a suit saying he can't do this? Further proof that the modern Republican Party has become a Fascist Political Party.
And as for Rush, he is further proof that you can be a failure and keep getting work. A man who claims he no longer wants to be a water carrier but still is.
Comment by starling310 on 09/19/2008 13:44:12
starling310 on 09/19/2008 13:44:12
Comment by wickedpam on 09/19/2008 13:44:18
wickedpam on 09/19/2008 13:44:18
way to vote against everything you were Hilliary stands for
Comment by Shane-O on 09/19/2008 13:44:28
Shane-O on 09/19/2008 13:44:28
Comment by wickedpam on 09/19/2008 13:44:50
wickedpam on 09/19/2008 13:44:50
jeez lady take a breath
Comment by livingonli on 09/19/2008 13:45:03
livingonli on 09/19/2008 13:45:03
This caller is a little hysterical. She needs a nice rubber room to calm down in.
Comment by TriSec on 09/19/2008 13:45:07
Next?
TriSec on 09/19/2008 13:45:07
Next?
Comment by wickedpam on 09/19/2008 13:45:40
wickedpam on 09/19/2008 13:45:40
Comment by 
Scoopster on 09/19/2008 13:46:01
Scoopster on 09/19/2008 13:46:01
Morning everybody! 
It's Fridee!!
Big night tonite - re-opening of the RI Obama HQ, now on the east side of town over near RISD and Brown. But you won't see lattes and scones in this bunch - these guys prefer to head over to the Wickenden Pub for one of their 101 beers on tap!
It's Fridee!!Big night tonite - re-opening of the RI Obama HQ, now on the east side of town over near RISD and Brown. But you won't see lattes and scones in this bunch - these guys prefer to head over to the Wickenden Pub for one of their 101 beers on tap!
Comment by livingonli on 09/19/2008 13:46:01
Another right-winger passing themselves off as a PUMA.
Thom Hartmann would have called this person out on it.
livingonli on 09/19/2008 13:46:01
Quote by wickedpam:
way to vote against everything you were Hilliary stands for
Another right-winger passing themselves off as a PUMA.
Thom Hartmann would have called this person out on it.
Comment by wickedpam on 09/19/2008 13:47:14
think Chris was trying too by Gabby McCrabby wouldn't shut up and let anyone hold a conversation with her
wickedpam on 09/19/2008 13:47:14
Quote by livingonli:Quote by wickedpam:
way to vote against everything you were Hilliary stands for
Another right-winger passing themselves off as a PUMA.
Thom Hartmann would have called this person out on it.
think Chris was trying too by Gabby McCrabby wouldn't shut up and let anyone hold a conversation with her
Comment by 
Mondobubba on 09/19/2008 13:47:39
Mondobubba on 09/19/2008 13:47:39
Morning
Comment by Shane-O on 09/19/2008 13:52:09
Shane-O on 09/19/2008 13:52:09
Supertramp - wahoo! -- criminal, radical...
Comment by wickedpam on 09/19/2008 13:52:51
wickedpam on 09/19/2008 13:52:51
Gawd, did the Freepers get marching orders today?
Comment by TriSec on 09/19/2008 13:52:53
TriSec on 09/19/2008 13:52:53
Way to parrot the talking points, caller!
NEXT!!
NEXT!!
Comment by wickedpam on 09/19/2008 13:53:08
wickedpam on 09/19/2008 13:53:08
:rolleyes:
Comment by livingonli on 09/19/2008 13:53:18
livingonli on 09/19/2008 13:53:18
The callers seem to be out with the talking points this morning.
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/19/2008 13:54:34
Mondobubba on 09/19/2008 13:54:34
Ohhh missions in 38 countries! What does your church do in your community, bucky!
Comment by TriSec on 09/19/2008 13:54:57
TriSec on 09/19/2008 13:54:57
Here we go again...keeping a roof over your head and putting food on the table is anti-family how?
Comment by starling310 on 09/19/2008 13:55:50
Well, Palin is losing favorability AND the story of her blocking a legal proceeding is getting out.
So, in short, yeah probably!
starling310 on 09/19/2008 13:55:50
Quote by wickedpam:
Gawd, did the Freepers get marching orders today?
Well, Palin is losing favorability AND the story of her blocking a legal proceeding is getting out.
So, in short, yeah probably!
Comment by TriSec on 09/19/2008 13:56:27
TriSec on 09/19/2008 13:56:27
No right-wing and/or "Christian" has ever conclusively answered the question why their belief system needs to be the law of the land.
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/19/2008 13:57:58
Mondobubba on 09/19/2008 13:57:58
Shut your piehole, you daft tw&t!
Comment by wickedpam on 09/19/2008 13:59:04
Ya know that's not a rational or logical arguement that no one wins
wickedpam on 09/19/2008 13:59:04
Quote by TriSec:
No right-wing and/or "Christian" has ever conclusively answered the question why their belief system needs to be the law of the land.
Ya know that's not a rational or logical arguement that no one wins
Comment by TriSec on 09/19/2008 13:59:31
TriSec on 09/19/2008 13:59:31
Bloggers with Republican blood-relatives (I married in; it's easier for me to dismiss them.)
How do you manage not to kill your own parents, siblings, or etc.?
I haven't said it yet, but my mantra down the stretch to any spouting of talking points is planned to be "Then you're a fucking moron." I don't care if I get beat up or not anymore.
How do you manage not to kill your own parents, siblings, or etc.?
I haven't said it yet, but my mantra down the stretch to any spouting of talking points is planned to be "Then you're a fucking moron." I don't care if I get beat up or not anymore.
Comment by livingonli on 09/19/2008 13:59:52
They are out there trying to convert the "savages" to tell them to accept the rule of the top 1% and just worry about other people are doing in their bedroom.
BTW, the new Enquirer has some more goodies this week about the "family values" of the Palin children.
livingonli on 09/19/2008 13:59:52
Quote by Mondobubba:
Ohhh missions in 38 countries! What does your church do in your community, bucky!
They are out there trying to convert the "savages" to tell them to accept the rule of the top 1% and just worry about other people are doing in their bedroom.
BTW, the new Enquirer has some more goodies this week about the "family values" of the Palin children.
Comment by 
Raine on 09/19/2008 13:59:57
Raine on 09/19/2008 13:59:57
Quote by Mondobubba:
Morning
Comment by wickedpam on 09/19/2008 14:01:31
wickedpam on 09/19/2008 14:01:31
when did the governement get into the banking business 
Comment by Raine on 09/19/2008 14:01:39
Good morning everyone!
Raine on 09/19/2008 14:01:39
Good morning everyone!
Comment by 
velveeta jones on 09/19/2008 14:02:52
velveeta jones on 09/19/2008 14:02:52
Morning all! Great post BobR, I don't understand why anyone who lives in a place that could be hit by disaster - whether you live on a coast or next to a nuc-u-ler plant - doesn't PLAN for a possible escape. This includes taking care of your property and animals.
The ARC has been working with animal rescue groups to shelter pets next to (but not with) people so that people can evacuate with their pets.
The ARC has been working with animal rescue groups to shelter pets next to (but not with) people so that people can evacuate with their pets.
Comment by Raine on 09/19/2008 14:03:31
Raine on 09/19/2008 14:03:31
Grampy just said he is going to create a Mortgage Financial Institute? he just said the MFI...
Oh, he's an MF alright.
Oh, he's an MF alright.
Comment by TriSec on 09/19/2008 14:04:29
Heh. Where were they in 2004 when I needed all of my 'bad debt' bought by a white knight?
TriSec on 09/19/2008 14:04:29
Quote by wickedpam:
when did the governement get into the banking business
Heh. Where were they in 2004 when I needed all of my 'bad debt' bought by a white knight?
Comment by livingonli on 09/19/2008 14:07:53
livingonli on 09/19/2008 14:07:53
Why doesn't the government give me money? I could use it more.
It seems like the "free marketers" are indeed tweaking things to keep things from collapsing just long enough for Bush to get out of office before the Depression hits.
It seems like the "free marketers" are indeed tweaking things to keep things from collapsing just long enough for Bush to get out of office before the Depression hits.
Comment by velveeta jones on 09/19/2008 14:08:03
velveeta jones on 09/19/2008 14:08:03
BTW: I haven't laughed soooo hard! I came home from the movies last night and saw the late edition of Countdown. OMG.
Re: McCain and Spain and the question.
"Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition"
:rofl: :rofl:
Re: McCain and Spain and the question.
"Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition"
:rofl: :rofl:
Comment by Raine on 09/19/2008 14:08:21
Raine on 09/19/2008 14:08:21
iIt's talk like a pirate day? Where is the Pirate name generator? ARRRR
Today I am Black Raine!
Today I am Black Raine!
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/19/2008 14:08:25
BRaine/Robber you have created the perfect audio/visual crack!
:bow:
Mondobubba on 09/19/2008 14:08:25
Quote by Raine:Quote by Mondobubba:
Morning
BRaine/Robber you have created the perfect audio/visual crack!
:bow:
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/19/2008 14:14:31
Priceless moment! So, what did you and Auntie Azalea go see?
Mondobubba on 09/19/2008 14:14:31
Quote by velveeta jones:
BTW: I haven't laughed soooo hard! I came home from the movies last night and saw the late edition of Countdown. OMG.
Re: McCain and Spain and the question.
"Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition"
:rofl: :rofl:
Priceless moment! So, what did you and Auntie Azalea go see?
Comment by Raine on 09/19/2008 14:18:24
Raine on 09/19/2008 14:18:24
Holy Crap!
This blogger caught something VERY important from the NYT peice last week about Sarah Palin. The picture says it all.
This blogger caught something VERY important from the NYT peice last week about Sarah Palin. The picture says it all.
Comment by 
BobR on 09/19/2008 14:23:34
aw crap, I missed it...
:kickcan:
Any chance someone could get me that snippet of the show? :whistling:
BobR on 09/19/2008 14:23:34
Quote by Shane-O:
BOBR!!!
aw crap, I missed it...
:kickcan:Any chance someone could get me that snippet of the show? :whistling:
Comment by Raine on 09/19/2008 14:25:14
A Kos Diary is also asking about this.
Is She a member of the John Birch Society?
Raine on 09/19/2008 14:25:14
Quote by Raine:
Holy Crap!
This blogger caught something VERY important from the NYT peice last week about Sarah Palin. The picture says it all.
A Kos Diary is also asking about this.
Is She a member of the John Birch Society?
Comment by livingonli on 09/19/2008 14:26:10
Did you call in?
livingonli on 09/19/2008 14:26:10
Quote by BobR:Quote by Shane-O:
BOBR!!!
aw crap, I missed it...
Any chance someone could get me that snippet of the show? :whistling:
Did you call in?
Comment by BobR on 09/19/2008 14:27:37
If I called in, I wouldn't have missed it... :poke:
No, I sent an email with some sound clips.
BobR on 09/19/2008 14:27:37
Quote by livingonli:
Did you call in?
If I called in, I wouldn't have missed it... :poke:
No, I sent an email with some sound clips.
Comment by Shane-O on 09/19/2008 14:29:08
They did it hour 1 in the mail segment -- chances are, then, that they will do it again hour 3. Either way, I'll pull the hour 1 section and PM it to you.
Shane-O on 09/19/2008 14:29:08
Quote by BobR:Quote by Shane-O:
BOBR!!!
aw crap, I missed it...
Any chance someone could get me that snippet of the show? :whistling:
They did it hour 1 in the mail segment -- chances are, then, that they will do it again hour 3. Either way, I'll pull the hour 1 section and PM it to you.
Comment by TriSec on 09/19/2008 14:29:39
TriSec on 09/19/2008 14:29:39
Gotta love that GOP VP Vetting.
Will the campaign implode now?
Will the campaign implode now?
Comment by Raine on 09/19/2008 14:31:28
Raine on 09/19/2008 14:31:28
you know... I was half asleep when I first read the blog, but that last part is really unnerving.
Comment by velveeta jones on 09/19/2008 14:34:54
UnCounted. Very good!
velveeta jones on 09/19/2008 14:34:54
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by velveeta jones:
BTW: I haven't laughed soooo hard! I came home from the movies last night and saw the late edition of Countdown. OMG.
Re: McCain and Spain and the question.
"Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition"
:rofl: :rofl:
Priceless moment! So, what did you and Auntie Azalea go see?
UnCounted. Very good!
Comment by wickedpam on 09/19/2008 14:34:57
wickedpam on 09/19/2008 14:34:57
Comment by BobR on 09/19/2008 14:35:38
You're aces!
BobR on 09/19/2008 14:35:38
Quote by Shane-O:
They did it hour 1 in the mail segment -- chances are, then, that they will do it again hour 3. Either way, I'll pull the hour 1 section and PM it to you.
You're aces!
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/19/2008 14:35:49
Mondobubba on 09/19/2008 14:35:49
How long do you think it took her to pronounce "fungible" correctly?
Comment by starling310 on 09/19/2008 14:37:55
starling310 on 09/19/2008 14:37:55
Breaking News: From CNN
Oh.
Well.
Alritey then.
-- Treasury Secretary Paulson says "hundreds of billions" of dollars are needed to resolve U.S. financial crisis.
Oh.
Well.
Alritey then.
Comment by livingonli on 09/19/2008 14:38:15
livingonli on 09/19/2008 14:38:15
So, when Sarah misread the teleprompter did they stop and re-start the recording of the "interview"?
Comment by velveeta jones on 09/19/2008 14:38:43
velveeta jones on 09/19/2008 14:38:43
Fed calls for................. um, ............... "regulation". Well, isn't that a unique idea.
:rolleyes:
:rolleyes:
Comment by BobR on 09/19/2008 14:39:01
BobR on 09/19/2008 14:39:01
Comment by Shane-O on 09/19/2008 14:40:17
"Fungible" -- does that mean "curable by penicillin?"
Shane-O on 09/19/2008 14:40:17
Quote by Mondobubba:
How long do you think it took her to pronounce "fungible" correctly?
"Fungible" -- does that mean "curable by penicillin?"
Comment by livingonli on 09/19/2008 14:42:17
McCain might throw the beer can at you if his team is losing.
livingonli on 09/19/2008 14:42:17
Quote by BobR:
People would rather watch a football game with Obama than McCain.
Umm..... yay?
McCain might throw the beer can at you if his team is losing.
Comment by Raine on 09/19/2008 14:43:54
Raine on 09/19/2008 14:43:54
OMG. HE confused the FEC with SEC.
Comment by starling310 on 09/19/2008 14:44:06
"You know who's bitter in America? I am; because shit kickers voted twice for a retarded guy that they wanted to have a beer with and I had to suffer the consequences." - - - Bill Maher
starling310 on 09/19/2008 14:44:06
Quote by BobR:
People would rather watch a football game with Obama than McCain.
Umm..... yay?
"You know who's bitter in America? I am; because shit kickers voted twice for a retarded guy that they wanted to have a beer with and I had to suffer the consequences." - - - Bill Maher
Comment by BobR on 09/19/2008 14:44:36
BobR on 09/19/2008 14:44:36
HAPPY BIRTHDAY JD! 
:birthday:
:birthday:
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/19/2008 14:44:38
I be Seal Breath Conroy. Arrrrrghhhhh! :pirate:
Mondobubba on 09/19/2008 14:44:38
Quote by wickedpam:
Pirate Name Generator
just call me Can't-Remember-Where-the-Damn-Treasure's-Buried Nadine
I be Seal Breath Conroy. Arrrrrghhhhh! :pirate:
Comment by starling310 on 09/19/2008 14:47:18
starling310 on 09/19/2008 14:47:18
dude. omg raine.
he doesn't know what he's talking about; ever!
he doesn't know what he's talking about; ever!
Comment by Raine on 09/19/2008 14:48:51
HAPPY BIRTHDAY JD!!!!
:party::dance::birthday::boobs2::trumpet::dance2::rimshot::guitar::guitar:::boobs2::dance::party:
:pirate: ARRRRGH!!!
Raine on 09/19/2008 14:48:51
:party::dance::birthday::boobs2::trumpet::dance2::rimshot::guitar::guitar:::boobs2::dance::party:
:pirate: ARRRRGH!!!
Comment by starling310 on 09/19/2008 14:49:47
starling310 on 09/19/2008 14:49:47
I like the caller who said to Randi that his idea would be Credit Card forgiveness to stimulate spending!
I am for THAT!
I am for THAT!
Comment by livingonli on 09/19/2008 14:49:55
livingonli on 09/19/2008 14:49:55
There is reality and then there's Bush world where the rules don't apply.
Comment by 
m-hadley on 09/19/2008 14:49:57
m-hadley on 09/19/2008 14:49:57
Mornin' Everybody
I'm not feelin' too good today - I think I've got some early season flu :(
Hope everybody out there is doing okay :D
Have a great Fridee :hug:
Cheers,
mfaye
PS. Mala , did you get the stickers?
I'm not feelin' too good today - I think I've got some early season flu :(
Hope everybody out there is doing okay :D
Have a great Fridee :hug:
Cheers,
mfaye
PS. Mala , did you get the stickers?
Comment by Raine on 09/19/2008 14:50:41
Raine on 09/19/2008 14:50:41
This fucker is taking over America, right now.
Comment by wickedpam on 09/19/2008 14:51:01
wickedpam on 09/19/2008 14:51:01
is this going to be another bank fee?
Comment by Raine on 09/19/2008 14:52:11
Raine on 09/19/2008 14:52:11
Go on CALLER! :clap:
Comment by livingonli on 09/19/2008 14:53:06
Healing vibes for Mfaye. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
livingonli on 09/19/2008 14:53:06
Quote by m-hadley:
Mornin' Everybody
I'm not feelin' too good today - I think I've got some early season flu :(
Hope everybody out there is doing okay :D
Have a great Fridee :hug:
Cheers,
mfaye
PS. Mala , did you get the stickers?
Healing vibes for Mfaye. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Comment by BobR on 09/19/2008 14:54:17
and I be Cap'n Argus Bloodbeard. :pirate:
To the poop deck!
BobR on 09/19/2008 14:54:17
Quote by Mondobubba:
I be Seal Breath Conroy. Arrrrrghhhhh! :pirate:
and I be Cap'n Argus Bloodbeard. :pirate:
To the poop deck!
Comment by Raine on 09/19/2008 14:54:42
Raine on 09/19/2008 14:54:42
:rofl: we have been reduced to congratulating the Boner for wearing less Bronzer!
Comment by starling310 on 09/19/2008 14:55:46
starling310 on 09/19/2008 14:55:46
"When governments fail in any of these tasks - leaving huge gaps in infrastructure, or raising corruption to levels that impair economic activity, or failing to ensure domestic peace -the economy is sure to fail, and often to fail badly. Indeed, in extreme cases, when governments are unable to perform their most basic functions, we talk about 'state failures,' which are characterized by wars, revolutions, coups, anarchy and the like. We will see later on that state failures are often not only the cause of economic disaster, but also the last stage of it. State failure and economic failure can chase each other in a dizzying and terrifying spiral of instability."
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/19/2008 14:56:05
Mondobubba on 09/19/2008 14:56:05
"...smells like Mystic Tan and scotch." 
Aces ProducerChris! :rofl:
Aces ProducerChris! :rofl:
Comment by Raine on 09/19/2008 14:58:29
Ye shall call me Gorgeous Shannon Slasher :jollyroger:
Raine on 09/19/2008 14:58:29
Quote by BobR:Quote by Mondobubba:
I be Seal Breath Conroy. Arrrrrghhhhh! :pirate:
and I be Cap'n Argus Bloodbeard. :pirate:
To the poop deck!
Ye shall call me Gorgeous Shannon Slasher :jollyroger:
Comment by livingonli on 09/19/2008 14:58:51
Sounds like America's days as a superpower are over.
livingonli on 09/19/2008 14:58:51
Quote by starling310:"When governments fail in any of these tasks - leaving huge gaps in infrastructure, or raising corruption to levels that impair economic activity, or failing to ensure domestic peace -the economy is sure to fail, and often to fail badly. Indeed, in extreme cases, when governments are unable to perform their most basic functions, we talk about 'state failures,' which are characterized by wars, revolutions, coups, anarchy and the like. We will see later on that state failures are often not only the cause of economic disaster, but also the last stage of it. State failure and economic failure can chase each other in a dizzying and terrifying spiral of instability."
Sounds like America's days as a superpower are over.
Comment by m-hadley on 09/19/2008 14:59:22
Thanks mucho Livin - I hope you are hanging in there - do ya hafta work today?
Cheers,
mfaye :hug:
m-hadley on 09/19/2008 14:59:22
Quote by livingonli:Quote by m-hadley:
Mornin' Everybody
I'm not feelin' too good today - I think I've got some early season flu :(
Hope everybody out there is doing okay :D
Have a great Fridee :hug:
Cheers,
mfaye
PS. Mala , did you get the stickers?
Healing vibes for Mfaye. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Thanks mucho Livin - I hope you are hanging in there - do ya hafta work today?
Cheers,
mfaye :hug:
Comment by starling310 on 09/19/2008 15:01:17
Thing is the quote is from "The End of Poverty" by Jeffrey Sachs, published in '05 and he's talking about third world countries, that fail to thrive economically.
starling310 on 09/19/2008 15:01:17
Quote by livingonli:Quote by starling310:"When governments fail in any of these tasks - leaving huge gaps in infrastructure, or raising corruption to levels that impair economic activity, or failing to ensure domestic peace -the economy is sure to fail, and often to fail badly. Indeed, in extreme cases, when governments are unable to perform their most basic functions, we talk about 'state failures,' which are characterized by wars, revolutions, coups, anarchy and the like. We will see later on that state failures are often not only the cause of economic disaster, but also the last stage of it. State failure and economic failure can chase each other in a dizzying and terrifying spiral of instability."
Sounds like America's days as a superpower are over.
Thing is the quote is from "The End of Poverty" by Jeffrey Sachs, published in '05 and he's talking about third world countries, that fail to thrive economically.
Comment by wickedpam on 09/19/2008 15:02:42
haven't checked my mail yet - I'll definate do that when I get home :D
wickedpam on 09/19/2008 15:02:42
Quote by m-hadley:
Mornin' Everybody
I'm not feelin' too good today - I think I've got some early season flu :(
Hope everybody out there is doing okay :D
Have a great Fridee :hug:
Cheers,
mfaye
PS. Mala , did you get the stickers?
haven't checked my mail yet - I'll definate do that when I get home :D
Comment by livingonli on 09/19/2008 15:03:27
Alas, I do have to work today.
livingonli on 09/19/2008 15:03:27
Quote by m-hadley:Quote by livingonli:Quote by m-hadley:
Mornin' Everybody
I'm not feelin' too good today - I think I've got some early season flu :(
Hope everybody out there is doing okay :D
Have a great Fridee :hug:
Cheers,
mfaye
PS. Mala , did you get the stickers?
Healing vibes for Mfaye. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Thanks mucho Livin - I hope you are hanging in there - do ya hafta work today?
Cheers,
mfaye :hug:
Alas, I do have to work today.
Comment by livingonli on 09/19/2008 15:05:33
In some ways, we are functioning like a Third World Country. For example, the reaction to Katrina and apparently to Ike as well where they just want to suppress the media coverage.
livingonli on 09/19/2008 15:05:33
Quote by starling310:Quote by livingonli:Quote by starling310:"When governments fail in any of these tasks - leaving huge gaps in infrastructure, or raising corruption to levels that impair economic activity, or failing to ensure domestic peace -the economy is sure to fail, and often to fail badly. Indeed, in extreme cases, when governments are unable to perform their most basic functions, we talk about 'state failures,' which are characterized by wars, revolutions, coups, anarchy and the like. We will see later on that state failures are often not only the cause of economic disaster, but also the last stage of it. State failure and economic failure can chase each other in a dizzying and terrifying spiral of instability."
Sounds like America's days as a superpower are over.
Thing is the quote is from "The End of Poverty" by Jeffrey Sachs, published in '05 and he's talking about third world countries, that fail to thrive economically.
In some ways, we are functioning like a Third World Country. For example, the reaction to Katrina and apparently to Ike as well where they just want to suppress the media coverage.
Comment by starling310 on 09/19/2008 15:08:52
starling310 on 09/19/2008 15:08:52
Is there Fridays with Frangela today?
Comment by livingonli on 09/19/2008 15:08:57
livingonli on 09/19/2008 15:08:57
If I had that as a car alarm, I would shoot the car.
Comment by livingonli on 09/19/2008 15:09:45
Yes, I believe there is.
livingonli on 09/19/2008 15:09:45
Quote by starling310:
Is there Fridays with Frangela today?
Yes, I believe there is.
Comment by starling310 on 09/19/2008 15:10:15
starling310 on 09/19/2008 15:10:15
God, he's got that same f*ckin' smarmy chuckle as Bush. It's alarming.
Comment by Raine on 09/19/2008 15:10:39
You are really freaking me out here, :star:
I cannot believe we are taking over Wall street. Basically that is what is happening. To the tune of half a trillion dollars.
We are bailing out the same fuckers who did this to us, and the only people who truly will feel the brunt of it are the middle and lower class. I hate even saying that. I pray for my country today.
I am left wishing that this would have waited (believe it or not) that this would have happened AFTER BArack was elected, I simply TRUST him more no matter what his solution would be. I just trust that HE as hard a choice it may be, would be doing the best thing for America. I do not trust *ush, or ANY of that ilk.
Raine on 09/19/2008 15:10:39
Quote by starling310:Quote by livingonli:Quote by starling310:"When governments fail in any of these tasks - leaving huge gaps in infrastructure, or raising corruption to levels that impair economic activity, or failing to ensure domestic peace -the economy is sure to fail, and often to fail badly. Indeed, in extreme cases, when governments are unable to perform their most basic functions, we talk about 'state failures,' which are characterized by wars, revolutions, coups, anarchy and the like. We will see later on that state failures are often not only the cause of economic disaster, but also the last stage of it. State failure and economic failure can chase each other in a dizzying and terrifying spiral of instability."
Sounds like America's days as a superpower are over.
Thing is the quote is from "The End of Poverty" by Jeffrey Sachs, published in '05 and he's talking about third world countries, that fail to thrive economically.
I cannot believe we are taking over Wall street. Basically that is what is happening. To the tune of half a trillion dollars.
We are bailing out the same fuckers who did this to us, and the only people who truly will feel the brunt of it are the middle and lower class. I hate even saying that. I pray for my country today.
I am left wishing that this would have waited (believe it or not) that this would have happened AFTER BArack was elected, I simply TRUST him more no matter what his solution would be. I just trust that HE as hard a choice it may be, would be doing the best thing for America. I do not trust *ush, or ANY of that ilk.
Comment by Raine on 09/19/2008 15:12:25
OooOOOOooo I hope so!
Raine on 09/19/2008 15:12:25
Quote by starling310:
Is there Fridays with Frangela today?
OooOOOOooo I hope so!
Comment by Scoopster on 09/19/2008 15:13:25
Scoopster on 09/19/2008 15:13:25
So.. I was flipping through the radio dial yesterday seeing if I could find something interesting to listen to, and I caught a few moments of this local rightie talk show. Bascially the host was saying this:
- Rich people who work hard and are smart and successful get screwed because they pay 40% of their income to various taxes.
- Poor people who don't do anything don't get taxed at all, and want to screw over everyone else because they didn't hit "the genetic innovation lottery".
[rant]
Okay, it's a legitimate argument to want to have a level playing field - either by lowering the rate on the rich or raising the rate on the poor & middle class. But step out of your own comfortable yet unfairly taxed position for a moment and look at it this way.
First, Not everyone who is rich necessarily works hard or is successful. In fact, a fair number of rich people are born into families of wealth. Is that a morally wrong thing? No. BUT IT IS MAKING MONEY WITHOUT WORK. Also, even at a 40% tax rate a millionaire is still keeping $600k which is WELL OVER the cost of living, not to mention their returns on investments WHICH IS MAKING MONEY WITHOUT WORK. If you want to bitch about people who don't do work but get plenty of money, you should start right there with inheritances/estates and capital gains.
Second, the assertion that the poor or even the middle class for that matter doesn't work hard is either a misinformed statement or just a flat-out insult. If we didn't work our asses off this country would come to a dead stop, and you'd be just as dirt poor as the rest of us. So please do the world a favor and shut the fuck up if you're gonna have a holier-than-thou fit.
Third, let's do a little math. Let's take a family of three with a house and one car as our example. Average yearly net income after taxes is about $55k. After a year of $1200 mortgage payments, $450/mo in regular bills, $300/mo in basic needs purchases and $75/wk in gas they've already spent $27k. Another $100/mo each going into a retirement account means they spent about $36k each year. Add a reasonable family splurge vacation and it's another $3-5k. That leaves about... $13k over for miscellaneous stuff or emegency expenses.
The same family making a million a year will usually take home about $600k (that's a 40% tax rate). They will spend much more on their cost of living due to mere extravagances and luxury items. At the end of the year, this same family will have spent 3-5 times the yearly income of the other family, but still have plenty left over (at least $250k) to put into investments and earn more money off of it.
If you raised the income higher, the luxury spending and investment returns would go up exponentially, but cost of living would eventually reach a point where it didn't matter.
Now, do you really expect people to believe that you are basing your argument on the fact that you can't make a decent living off a net income of at least $600k a year because you got taxed 40%?
If that's the case I'll be GLAD to trade places with you and give you an idea what it's like to be in the position of a lower middle class person. Then maybe you'll understand exactly what REAL hard work and REAL money management is like.
[/rant]
- Rich people who work hard and are smart and successful get screwed because they pay 40% of their income to various taxes.
- Poor people who don't do anything don't get taxed at all, and want to screw over everyone else because they didn't hit "the genetic innovation lottery".
[rant]
Okay, it's a legitimate argument to want to have a level playing field - either by lowering the rate on the rich or raising the rate on the poor & middle class. But step out of your own comfortable yet unfairly taxed position for a moment and look at it this way.
First, Not everyone who is rich necessarily works hard or is successful. In fact, a fair number of rich people are born into families of wealth. Is that a morally wrong thing? No. BUT IT IS MAKING MONEY WITHOUT WORK. Also, even at a 40% tax rate a millionaire is still keeping $600k which is WELL OVER the cost of living, not to mention their returns on investments WHICH IS MAKING MONEY WITHOUT WORK. If you want to bitch about people who don't do work but get plenty of money, you should start right there with inheritances/estates and capital gains.
Second, the assertion that the poor or even the middle class for that matter doesn't work hard is either a misinformed statement or just a flat-out insult. If we didn't work our asses off this country would come to a dead stop, and you'd be just as dirt poor as the rest of us. So please do the world a favor and shut the fuck up if you're gonna have a holier-than-thou fit.
Third, let's do a little math. Let's take a family of three with a house and one car as our example. Average yearly net income after taxes is about $55k. After a year of $1200 mortgage payments, $450/mo in regular bills, $300/mo in basic needs purchases and $75/wk in gas they've already spent $27k. Another $100/mo each going into a retirement account means they spent about $36k each year. Add a reasonable family splurge vacation and it's another $3-5k. That leaves about... $13k over for miscellaneous stuff or emegency expenses.
The same family making a million a year will usually take home about $600k (that's a 40% tax rate). They will spend much more on their cost of living due to mere extravagances and luxury items. At the end of the year, this same family will have spent 3-5 times the yearly income of the other family, but still have plenty left over (at least $250k) to put into investments and earn more money off of it.
If you raised the income higher, the luxury spending and investment returns would go up exponentially, but cost of living would eventually reach a point where it didn't matter.
Now, do you really expect people to believe that you are basing your argument on the fact that you can't make a decent living off a net income of at least $600k a year because you got taxed 40%?
If that's the case I'll be GLAD to trade places with you and give you an idea what it's like to be in the position of a lower middle class person. Then maybe you'll understand exactly what REAL hard work and REAL money management is like.
[/rant]
Comment by starling310 on 09/19/2008 15:13:51
Sorry Raine.
I freaked myself out when I read that paragraph last night.
The Chapter is called "Why Some Countries Fail to Thrive" and all of it sounds like the America the BushCo. has created.
I agree about Obama. He would have been on the TeeVee, telling us what's happen and how to proceed. . . . at the very least!
starling310 on 09/19/2008 15:13:51
Quote by Raine:
You are really freaking me out here, :star:
I cannot believe we are taking over Wall street. Basically that is what is happening. To the tune of half a trillion dollars.
We are bailing out the same fuckers who did this to us, and the only people who truly will feel the brunt of it are the middle and lower class. I hate even saying that. I pray for my country today.
I am left wishing that this would have waited (believe it or not) that this would have happened AFTER BArack was elected, I simply TRUST him more no matter what his solution would be. I just trust that HE as hard a choice it may be, would be doing the best thing for America. I do not trust *ush, or ANY of that ilk.
Sorry Raine.
I freaked myself out when I read that paragraph last night.
The Chapter is called "Why Some Countries Fail to Thrive" and all of it sounds like the America the BushCo. has created.
I agree about Obama. He would have been on the TeeVee, telling us what's happen and how to proceed. . . . at the very least!
Comment by Raine on 09/19/2008 15:15:02
Raine on 09/19/2008 15:15:02
When the bee bites, when my ass stings, When I'm feeling bad, I simply remember my mycard says a (D), and then I don't feel ---- so bad...
Comment by starling310 on 09/19/2008 15:15:56
starling310 on 09/19/2008 15:15:56
On a lighter note, VO5 shampoo costs $0.99, they don't test on animals, and I LOVE how it makes my hair look!!
Comment by Raine on 09/19/2008 15:18:32
Raine on 09/19/2008 15:18:32
Scoop: I 
you. AWESOME Rant!
May I take that and post it on the 4F Message board?
you. AWESOME Rant!May I take that and post it on the 4F Message board?
Comment by Raine on 09/19/2008 15:19:43
Raine on 09/19/2008 15:19:43
:rofl: I LOVE Jim!!! 
:rofl:
:rofl:
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/19/2008 15:22:02
Mondobubba on 09/19/2008 15:22:02
How many "Oh, Gods" did we get out of Chris on the Michael Jackson bit? I lost count! A new record though.
Comment by 
clintster on 09/19/2008 15:23:09
clintster on 09/19/2008 15:23:09
Yah-harrrrrr, mateys! Avast, I be making my swing through the good ship 4F as I teach the young scalawags all about plunderin', lootin', and the proper way to papier-machie a mushroom.
On to the crow's nest... Kim out!
On to the crow's nest... Kim out!
Comment by Raine on 09/19/2008 15:24:23
:rofl:
Raine on 09/19/2008 15:24:23
Quote by clintster:
Yah-harrrrrr, mateys! Avast, I be making my swing through the good ship 4F as I teach the young scalawags all about plunderin', lootin', and the proper way to papier-machie a mushroom.
On to the crow's nest... Kim out!
Comment by Scoopster on 09/19/2008 15:24:56
Go for it! :D
(I really should try to get over there myself sometime..)
Scoopster on 09/19/2008 15:24:56
Quote by Raine:
Scoop: I
May I take that and post it on the 4F Message board?
Go for it! :D
(I really should try to get over there myself sometime..)
Comment by BobR on 09/19/2008 15:28:01
BobR on 09/19/2008 15:28:01
Did anyone catch on KO last night the FAUX News guest that said the word "tits" on the air when talking about Palin?
I was --> :thud:
I guess we're down to 6 words from 7....
I was --> :thud:
I guess we're down to 6 words from 7....
Comment by starling310 on 09/19/2008 15:28:29
starling310 on 09/19/2008 15:28:29
:: McCain crowd ::
Boooooooooooooooooooo!!!!
USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA!
Boooooooooooooooooooo!!!!
USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA!
Comment by starling310 on 09/19/2008 15:29:07
starling310 on 09/19/2008 15:29:07
Awww...producerchris's bubble sound makes me miss "Pop Up Video!"
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/19/2008 15:35:14
Mondobubba on 09/19/2008 15:35:14
Frangela! w00t! Party time! Excellent!
Comment by Raine on 09/19/2008 15:35:57
Raine on 09/19/2008 15:35:57
I think we can stop calling it *hail Mary* and start calling them *Hail Sarah* passes.
Comment by wickedpam on 09/19/2008 15:36:34
wickedpam on 09/19/2008 15:36:34
yeah Frangela!
Comment by TriSec on 09/19/2008 15:37:27
TriSec on 09/19/2008 15:37:27
Ok, I've been vaguely worried for a few days. Not because of Wall Street (essentially meaningless to me. Investments? What are they?). Not because of the polls, although I'm concerned that Obama's number has dropped and he seems to have lost the lead in electoral votes.
Not even about the day-to-day. I can still pay the rent, most of my bills are current, and there's food in the fridge.
I just realized it now, especially after listening to the right-wing callers today.
It's the future.
I have no confidence in the American Voter. Except for a handful of us around, I just don't see the United States as a very smart place anymore. I'm worried for sure that another election is going to be lost, blown, or stolen.
And that's my worry. If McCain wins.....what will become of us? Not the big-picture "us", as I have no illusions that the rest of the world will put up with us. Hell, they've already shown signs of moving past the United States.
No, it's me personally. My wife. My 7 year old son. My aging parents and in-laws. I'm deathly afraid of what the United States, and indeed the world, is going to look like in 10 years.
And I wonder if we can survive it.
Reading "Rise and Fall" after the 2004 elections was a real eye-opener. I just can't get over how most of Germany just rolled over and let it happen. Those that saw it coming got out, or were rounded up and killed.
Well, I see it coming.
Sorry for the melancholy....but I don't want my son to grow up in a world with a President McCain.
Not even about the day-to-day. I can still pay the rent, most of my bills are current, and there's food in the fridge.
I just realized it now, especially after listening to the right-wing callers today.
It's the future.
I have no confidence in the American Voter. Except for a handful of us around, I just don't see the United States as a very smart place anymore. I'm worried for sure that another election is going to be lost, blown, or stolen.
And that's my worry. If McCain wins.....what will become of us? Not the big-picture "us", as I have no illusions that the rest of the world will put up with us. Hell, they've already shown signs of moving past the United States.
No, it's me personally. My wife. My 7 year old son. My aging parents and in-laws. I'm deathly afraid of what the United States, and indeed the world, is going to look like in 10 years.
And I wonder if we can survive it.
Reading "Rise and Fall" after the 2004 elections was a real eye-opener. I just can't get over how most of Germany just rolled over and let it happen. Those that saw it coming got out, or were rounded up and killed.
Well, I see it coming.
Sorry for the melancholy....but I don't want my son to grow up in a world with a President McCain.
Comment by Raine on 09/19/2008 15:37:38
Oh! That reminds me. I gotta find that video!
Raine on 09/19/2008 15:37:38
Quote by BobR:
Did anyone catch on KO last night the FAUX News guest that said the word "tits" on the air when talking about Palin?
I was --> :thud:
I guess we're down to 6 words from 7....
Comment by Scoopster on 09/19/2008 15:38:08
Scoopster on 09/19/2008 15:38:08
Quote by Mondobubba:
Frangela! w00t! Party time! Excellent!
Comment by starling310 on 09/19/2008 15:39:53
starling310 on 09/19/2008 15:39:53
Quote by TriSec:
I have no confidence in the American Voter. Except for a handful of us around, I just don't see the United States as a very smart place anymore. I'm worried for sure that another election is going to be lost, blown, or stolen.
Comment by starling310 on 09/19/2008 15:41:53
starling310 on 09/19/2008 15:41:53
Ooh...that's like my "Bitch Slap Joe Lieberman" theme party idea!
Comment by Scoopster on 09/19/2008 15:45:19
Scoopster on 09/19/2008 15:45:19
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/
First time in a very long time their map has Obama leading in EV's. He also runs his projections off confirmed trendlines instead of daily poll averages (which is what e-v.com uses) so they tend to reflect true momentum more accurately.
First time in a very long time their map has Obama leading in EV's. He also runs his projections off confirmed trendlines instead of daily poll averages (which is what e-v.com uses) so they tend to reflect true momentum more accurately.
Comment by TriSec on 09/19/2008 15:47:04
TriSec on 09/19/2008 15:47:04
I understand my in-laws least of all.
Both of them fled Cuba in 1961, essentially with the clothes on their backs. My father-in-law was a lawyer in Cuba; he had personal friends rounded up and "disappeared" by Castro. My mother-in-law was from a rich sugar family; they lost their plantation, home, and everything else when Castro nationalized the industry. (They knew each other in Cuba, but left at different times and didn't see each other for 2 years. They married in the US in 1963.)
Yet, they are full-bore, McCain Republicans.
I have already used the nuclear option on them, and they are perfectly OK with President McCain sending their only grandchild to die in the desert when he turns 18.
Completely hopeless.
Both of them fled Cuba in 1961, essentially with the clothes on their backs. My father-in-law was a lawyer in Cuba; he had personal friends rounded up and "disappeared" by Castro. My mother-in-law was from a rich sugar family; they lost their plantation, home, and everything else when Castro nationalized the industry. (They knew each other in Cuba, but left at different times and didn't see each other for 2 years. They married in the US in 1963.)
Yet, they are full-bore, McCain Republicans.
I have already used the nuclear option on them, and they are perfectly OK with President McCain sending their only grandchild to die in the desert when he turns 18.
Completely hopeless.
Comment by Raine on 09/19/2008 15:47:17
I am not worried such about me. I worry about my friends and family with little people.
And yes I worry, but I still have hope that come november, we will elect Barack Obama as president. THAT is where my energies lie. getting that man elected.
This is NOT '04. This is 2008, this is the first election of this new century.
I worry, but I will not give up. I truly think about my neice and nephew, and my nephew getting ready to make an appearnce in this world. I think about Javi, and Ian... I think about the new little baby that Bob's neice brought into the world a few months ago.
I think about all these little people and I worry, but I know, in my heart that WE... and WE are not just a bubble here on 4F, we are all the people that Barack Obama is bringing together, and WE will NOT let that happen.
That is not optimism, that is resolve. This is NOT over. McCAin has NOT won. What it is, simply put, it is the 7th inning... and we can still win this game if we do not give up.
Come on Tri... if the BoSox can do (twie, in case you did not know...
) , why can't we?
Raine on 09/19/2008 15:47:17
Quote by TriSec:
Ok, I've been vaguely worried for a few days. Not because of Wall Street (essentially meaningless to me. Investments? What are they?). Not because of the polls, although I'm concerned that Obama's number has dropped and he seems to have lost the lead in electoral votes.
Not even about the day-to-day. I can still pay the rent, most of my bills are current, and there's food in the fridge.
I just realized it now, especially after listening to the right-wing callers today.
It's the future.
I have no confidence in the American Voter. Except for a handful of us around, I just don't see the United States as a very smart place anymore. I'm worried for sure that another election is going to be lost, blown, or stolen.
And that's my worry. If McCain wins.....what will become of us? Not the big-picture "us", as I have no illusions that the rest of the world will put up with us. Hell, they've already shown signs of moving past the United States.
No, it's me personally. My wife. My 7 year old son. My aging parents and in-laws. I'm deathly afraid of what the United States, and indeed the world, is going to look like in 10 years.
And I wonder if we can survive it.
Reading "Rise and Fall" after the 2004 elections was a real eye-opener. I just can't get over how most of Germany just rolled over and let it happen. Those that saw it coming got out, or were rounded up and killed.
Well, I see it coming.
Sorry for the melancholy....but I don't want my son to grow up in a world with a President McCain.
And yes I worry, but I still have hope that come november, we will elect Barack Obama as president. THAT is where my energies lie. getting that man elected.
This is NOT '04. This is 2008, this is the first election of this new century.
I worry, but I will not give up. I truly think about my neice and nephew, and my nephew getting ready to make an appearnce in this world. I think about Javi, and Ian... I think about the new little baby that Bob's neice brought into the world a few months ago.
I think about all these little people and I worry, but I know, in my heart that WE... and WE are not just a bubble here on 4F, we are all the people that Barack Obama is bringing together, and WE will NOT let that happen.
That is not optimism, that is resolve. This is NOT over. McCAin has NOT won. What it is, simply put, it is the 7th inning... and we can still win this game if we do not give up.
Come on Tri... if the BoSox can do (twie, in case you did not know...
) , why can't we?
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/19/2008 15:49:56
Mondobubba on 09/19/2008 15:49:56
I've embraced the audio crack that is
Comment by Raine on 09/19/2008 15:50:27
Raine on 09/19/2008 15:50:27
OMG! just got a TXT message from sistah!
HEre it is:
3cm & 65% could b ths wknd but Dr dsn't thnk b l8ter than midweek
HEre it is:
3cm & 65% could b ths wknd but Dr dsn't thnk b l8ter than midweek
Comment by wickedpam on 09/19/2008 15:51:41
wickedpam on 09/19/2008 15:51:41
yeah - new baby soon!
Comment by TriSec on 09/19/2008 15:52:10
Well, that's encouraging news.
I don't know about anyone else, but I have always been, and continue to be, mesmerized by the red/blue split.
I mean, really. Look at the states and where they traditionally fall. There really are two Americas; the "northern, educated liberal" and the "ignorant, southern redneck" stereotypes have surely been reflected in the polling for quite some time.
(of course, so have the "godless, socialist, elitist" and "churchgoing, patriotic, family type" stereotypes...)
Mondo hates when I mention secession....but really, under President McCain, what other choice would we have? The schism has already happened, it wouldn't take too much more to push it over the edge.
TriSec on 09/19/2008 15:52:10
Quote by Scoopster:
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/
First time in a very long time their map has Obama leading in EV's. He also runs his projections off confirmed trendlines instead of daily poll averages (which is what e-v.com uses) so they tend to reflect true momentum more accurately.
Well, that's encouraging news.
I don't know about anyone else, but I have always been, and continue to be, mesmerized by the red/blue split.
I mean, really. Look at the states and where they traditionally fall. There really are two Americas; the "northern, educated liberal" and the "ignorant, southern redneck" stereotypes have surely been reflected in the polling for quite some time.
(of course, so have the "godless, socialist, elitist" and "churchgoing, patriotic, family type" stereotypes...)
Mondo hates when I mention secession....but really, under President McCain, what other choice would we have? The schism has already happened, it wouldn't take too much more to push it over the edge.
Comment by starling310 on 09/19/2008 15:52:35
starling310 on 09/19/2008 15:52:35
FISH for MCCAIN!
Comment by Raine on 09/19/2008 15:53:06
Raine on 09/19/2008 15:53:06
That means: the baby is coming!!!
4F's -- I, Aunt Bunny am eagerly awaiting to be an Aunt again!!!
4F's -- I, Aunt Bunny am eagerly awaiting to be an Aunt again!!!
Comment by starling310 on 09/19/2008 15:53:48
Oooohhh!!!!
BABIES!!!
:pray: Please let Americans choose to make this a better world for all the lovely babies that will be born right now.
starling310 on 09/19/2008 15:53:48
Quote by Raine:
OMG! just got a TXT message from sistah!
HEre it is:
3cm & 65% could b ths wknd but Dr dsn't thnk b l8ter than midweek
Oooohhh!!!!
BABIES!!!
:pray: Please let Americans choose to make this a better world for all the lovely babies that will be born right now.
Comment by wickedpam on 09/19/2008 15:56:14
people should start bringing fish to protest him
wickedpam on 09/19/2008 15:56:14
Quote by starling310:
FISH for MCCAIN!
people should start bringing fish to protest him
Comment by Raine on 09/19/2008 15:56:30
I am so exited! MY eyes are suddenley experiencing allergies.
Raine on 09/19/2008 15:56:30
Quote by wickedpam:
yeah - new baby soon!
I am so exited! MY eyes are suddenley experiencing allergies.
Comment by starling310 on 09/19/2008 15:57:03
FISH for OBAMA are on it!
starling310 on 09/19/2008 15:57:03
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by starling310:
FISH for MCCAIN!
people should start bringing fish to protest him
FISH for OBAMA are on it!
Comment by wickedpam on 09/19/2008 15:57:08
aaawwwww :hug:
stupid dust and pollen
wickedpam on 09/19/2008 15:57:08
Quote by Raine:Quote by wickedpam:
yeah - new baby soon!
I am so exited! MY eyes are suddenley experiencing allergies.
aaawwwww :hug:
stupid dust and pollen
Comment by starling310 on 09/19/2008 15:57:46
Babies are so wonderful.
It always seems that the birth of a new baby transcends anything else going on.!!!
starling310 on 09/19/2008 15:57:46
Quote by Raine:Quote by wickedpam:
yeah - new baby soon!
I am so exited! MY eyes are suddenley experiencing allergies.
Babies are so wonderful.
It always seems that the birth of a new baby transcends anything else going on.!!!
Comment by Raine on 09/19/2008 16:01:28
Amen.
The world is waiting for little Matthew....
(funny thing, his middle name is to be Christopher. I BEGGED my sister to Not reverse those names. She promised me it would not happen. )
Raine on 09/19/2008 16:01:28
Quote by starling310:Quote by Raine:
OMG! just got a TXT message from sistah!
HEre it is:
3cm & 65% could b ths wknd but Dr dsn't thnk b l8ter than midweek
Oooohhh!!!!
BABIES!!!
:pray: Please let Americans choose to make this a better world for all the lovely babies that will be born right now.
Amen.
The world is waiting for little Matthew....
(funny thing, his middle name is to be Christopher. I BEGGED my sister to Not reverse those names. She promised me it would not happen.
)
Comment by livingonli on 09/19/2008 16:02:05
livingonli on 09/19/2008 16:02:05
The Steph show just goes by too fast.
Comment by Raine on 09/19/2008 16:02:42
Raine on 09/19/2008 16:02:42
Quote by starling310:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by starling310:
FISH for MCCAIN!
people should start bringing fish to protest him
FISH for OBAMA are on it!
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/19/2008 16:04:04
Mondobubba on 09/19/2008 16:04:04
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by starling310:
FISH for MCCAIN!
people should start bringing fish to protest him
Comment by Scoopster on 09/19/2008 16:04:48
Have you asked them if it has anything to do with the idea that Castro is considered a ideological leftist? I ask because that ties in with the whole commie liberal stigma that Repubs have beaten into people for years.. It's a tough one to crack, considering how brutal Castro was back in his glory days.
If that is the case, ask them to consider the idea that leaders who greedily hunger for power and wealth only use a political position to hide their intentions. It doesn't matter if they are communist or socialist, conservative or liberal. In the end, anyone with such a position is a dictator.
Scoopster on 09/19/2008 16:04:48
Quote by TriSec:
I understand my in-laws least of all.
Both of them fled Cuba in 1961, essentially with the clothes on their backs. My father-in-law was a lawyer in Cuba; he had personal friends rounded up and "disappeared" by Castro. My mother-in-law was from a rich sugar family; they lost their plantation, home, and everything else when Castro nationalized the industry. (They knew each other in Cuba, but left at different times and didn't see each other for 2 years. They married in the US in 1963.)
Yet, they are full-bore, McCain Republicans.
I have already used the nuclear option on them, and they are perfectly OK with President McCain sending their only grandchild to die in the desert when he turns 18.
Completely hopeless.
Have you asked them if it has anything to do with the idea that Castro is considered a ideological leftist? I ask because that ties in with the whole commie liberal stigma that Repubs have beaten into people for years.. It's a tough one to crack, considering how brutal Castro was back in his glory days.
If that is the case, ask them to consider the idea that leaders who greedily hunger for power and wealth only use a political position to hide their intentions. It doesn't matter if they are communist or socialist, conservative or liberal. In the end, anyone with such a position is a dictator.
Comment by starling310 on 09/19/2008 16:06:25
starling310 on 09/19/2008 16:06:25
Jim mentioning Steely Dan...I am now listening to them.
For some reason, they will always remind me of being a kid and playing with my Big Bro.
For some reason, they will always remind me of being a kid and playing with my Big Bro.
Comment by Scoopster on 09/19/2008 16:07:12
Quick! Someone get Lew Zealand on the case!
Scoopster on 09/19/2008 16:07:12
Quote by starling310:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by starling310:
FISH for MCCAIN!
people should start bringing fish to protest him
FISH for OBAMA are on it!
Quick! Someone get Lew Zealand on the case!
Comment by starling310 on 09/19/2008 16:09:39
starling310 on 09/19/2008 16:09:39
Ha! Bernie Sanders just said "Man."
"Give us free trade, man."
"Give us free trade, man."
Comment by livingonli on 09/19/2008 16:09:50
:hug:
livingonli on 09/19/2008 16:09:50
Quote by starling310:
Jim mentioning Steely Dan...I am now listening to them.
For some reason, they will always remind me of being a kid and playing with my Big Bro.
:hug:
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/19/2008 16:11:30
I will say it again, Tri. Secession is a failed policy. Look how well it turned out. Witness the breath taking cultural redneckification of the US! Some how I don't think the once the secessionist movement is crushed by the central government, there will be a flowering of cultural liberalism. Speaking of rednecks, when was the last time you were in say New Bedford, MA?
Mondobubba on 09/19/2008 16:11:30
Quote by TriSec:Quote by Scoopster:
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/
First time in a very long time their map has Obama leading in EV's. He also runs his projections off confirmed trendlines instead of daily poll averages (which is what e-v.com uses) so they tend to reflect true momentum more accurately.
Well, that's encouraging news.
I don't know about anyone else, but I have always been, and continue to be, mesmerized by the red/blue split.
I mean, really. Look at the states and where they traditionally fall. There really are two Americas; the "northern, educated liberal" and the "ignorant, southern redneck" stereotypes have surely been reflected in the polling for quite some time.
(of course, so have the "godless, socialist, elitist" and "churchgoing, patriotic, family type" stereotypes...)
Mondo hates when I mention secession....but really, under President McCain, what other choice would we have? The schism has already happened, it wouldn't take too much more to push it over the edge.
I will say it again, Tri. Secession is a failed policy. Look how well it turned out. Witness the breath taking cultural redneckification of the US! Some how I don't think the once the secessionist movement is crushed by the central government, there will be a flowering of cultural liberalism. Speaking of rednecks, when was the last time you were in say New Bedford, MA?
Comment by starling310 on 09/19/2008 16:11:31
Thanks liv!
It's all fond memories...
Riding in Mom's Blue Nova, Steely Dan on the radio...playing with Matchbox cars...eating popsicles in the summer....sleeping out in the backyard on summer nights. Good times, man. Good times.
starling310 on 09/19/2008 16:11:31
Quote by livingonli:Quote by starling310:
Jim mentioning Steely Dan...I am now listening to them.
For some reason, they will always remind me of being a kid and playing with my Big Bro.
:hug:
Thanks liv!
It's all fond memories...
Riding in Mom's Blue Nova, Steely Dan on the radio...playing with Matchbox cars...eating popsicles in the summer....sleeping out in the backyard on summer nights. Good times, man. Good times.
Comment by Raine on 09/19/2008 16:11:39
Me too!
I am still so bummed we missed the clips played on the big Shoo this morning!
Raine on 09/19/2008 16:11:39
Quote by Mondobubba:
I've embraced the audio crack that is
Me too!
I am still so bummed we missed the clips played on the big Shoo this morning!
Comment by livingonli on 09/19/2008 16:14:52
livingonli on 09/19/2008 16:14:52
The dow is up 404 points. I guess they are enjoying their handout.
Comment by Raine on 09/19/2008 16:15:03
:hug:
I got nothing more than that. Today my hormones are running rampant.
Raine on 09/19/2008 16:15:03
Quote by starling310:
Jim mentioning Steely Dan...I am now listening to them.
For some reason, they will always remind me of being a kid and playing with my Big Bro.
I got nothing more than that. Today my hormones are running rampant.
Comment by Scoopster on 09/19/2008 16:15:29
Rednecks in New Bedford?! This is news to me..
Scoopster on 09/19/2008 16:15:29
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by TriSec:Quote by Scoopster:
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/
First time in a very long time their map has Obama leading in EV's. He also runs his projections off confirmed trendlines instead of daily poll averages (which is what e-v.com uses) so they tend to reflect true momentum more accurately.
Well, that's encouraging news.
I don't know about anyone else, but I have always been, and continue to be, mesmerized by the red/blue split.
I mean, really. Look at the states and where they traditionally fall. There really are two Americas; the "northern, educated liberal" and the "ignorant, southern redneck" stereotypes have surely been reflected in the polling for quite some time.
(of course, so have the "godless, socialist, elitist" and "churchgoing, patriotic, family type" stereotypes...)
Mondo hates when I mention secession....but really, under President McCain, what other choice would we have? The schism has already happened, it wouldn't take too much more to push it over the edge.
I will say it again, Tri. Secession is a failed policy. Look how well it turned out. Witness the breath taking cultural redneckification of the US! Some how I don't think the once the secessionist movement is crushed by the central government, there will be a flowering of cultural liberalism. Speaking of rednecks, when was the last time you were in say New Bedford, MA?
Rednecks in New Bedford?! This is news to me..
Comment by starling310 on 09/19/2008 16:15:47
Is is the rose colored glow of memories, or was life more simple back then?
starling310 on 09/19/2008 16:15:47
Quote by starling310:Quote by livingonli:Quote by starling310:
Jim mentioning Steely Dan...I am now listening to them.
For some reason, they will always remind me of being a kid and playing with my Big Bro.
:hug:
Thanks liv!
It's all fond memories...
Riding in Mom's Blue Nova, Steely Dan on the radio...playing with Matchbox cars...eating popsicles in the summer....sleeping out in the backyard on summer nights. Good times, man. Good times.
Is is the rose colored glow of memories, or was life more simple back then?
Comment by livingonli on 09/19/2008 16:16:49
livingonli on 09/19/2008 16:16:49
Sometimes I wonder what would have happened if we had left the South out of the union besides the CSA maintaining slavery for a longer period of times.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 09/19/2008 16:21:36
Will in Chicago on 09/19/2008 16:21:36
Good morning, bloggers!! (Running late as I had to put my car in the shop.)
BobR, thanks for an excellent entry. Sarge is hearing a lot of the same things from his contacts in Houston, some of whom will be on the Unreported News Radio Show on 1480 KPHX and Nova M Radio at 11 AM Eastern this Sunday. A lot of people are not getting the services that they need - heck, the National Guard has been short on blankets and water for their own members.
For those who want to look, the Daily Headlines are up. There is some good news from Galveston in that repairs are ahead of schedule, but it looks like FEMA has not improved much since Hurricane Katrina.
BobR, thanks for an excellent entry. Sarge is hearing a lot of the same things from his contacts in Houston, some of whom will be on the Unreported News Radio Show on 1480 KPHX and Nova M Radio at 11 AM Eastern this Sunday. A lot of people are not getting the services that they need - heck, the National Guard has been short on blankets and water for their own members.
For those who want to look, the Daily Headlines are up. There is some good news from Galveston in that repairs are ahead of schedule, but it looks like FEMA has not improved much since Hurricane Katrina.
Comment by Raine on 09/19/2008 16:22:02
We would still be fighting the civil war.
Do you think for ONE minute the confederacy would have remained happy?
Raine on 09/19/2008 16:22:02
Quote by livingonli:
Sometimes I wonder what would have happened if we had left the South out of the union besides the CSA maintaining slavery for a longer period of times.
We would still be fighting the civil war.
Do you think for ONE minute the confederacy would have remained happy?
Comment by Raine on 09/19/2008 16:24:09
Can I go with both?
Raine on 09/19/2008 16:24:09
Quote by starling310:Quote by starling310:Quote by livingonli:Quote by starling310:
Jim mentioning Steely Dan...I am now listening to them.
For some reason, they will always remind me of being a kid and playing with my Big Bro.
:hug:
Thanks liv!
It's all fond memories...
Riding in Mom's Blue Nova, Steely Dan on the radio...playing with Matchbox cars...eating popsicles in the summer....sleeping out in the backyard on summer nights. Good times, man. Good times.
Is is the rose colored glow of memories, or was life more simple back then?
Comment by Raine on 09/19/2008 16:26:49
Raine on 09/19/2008 16:26:49
Bernie just nailed it... this is nothing more than propping up the economy for the next six weeks, for John MCain's benefit.
I am fearful for the next few weeks. I hope that we have the time to get the word out to America about what is REALLY happening.
I am fearful for the next few weeks. I hope that we have the time to get the word out to America about what is REALLY happening.
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/19/2008 16:27:34
Yeah, ya know the kind that gang rape a woman on a pinball machine.
Mondobubba on 09/19/2008 16:27:34
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by TriSec:Quote by Scoopster:
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/
First time in a very long time their map has Obama leading in EV's. He also runs his projections off confirmed trendlines instead of daily poll averages (which is what e-v.com uses) so they tend to reflect true momentum more accurately.
Well, that's encouraging news.
I don't know about anyone else, but I have always been, and continue to be, mesmerized by the red/blue split.
I mean, really. Look at the states and where they traditionally fall. There really are two Americas; the "northern, educated liberal" and the "ignorant, southern redneck" stereotypes have surely been reflected in the polling for quite some time.
(of course, so have the "godless, socialist, elitist" and "churchgoing, patriotic, family type" stereotypes...)
Mondo hates when I mention secession....but really, under President McCain, what other choice would we have? The schism has already happened, it wouldn't take too much more to push it over the edge.
I will say it again, Tri. Secession is a failed policy. Look how well it turned out. Witness the breath taking cultural redneckification of the US! Some how I don't think the once the secessionist movement is crushed by the central government, there will be a flowering of cultural liberalism. Speaking of rednecks, when was the last time you were in say New Bedford, MA?
Rednecks in New Bedford?! This is news to me..
Yeah, ya know the kind that gang rape a woman on a pinball machine.
Comment by Scoopster on 09/19/2008 16:27:50
In other words, let them own people then so they wouldn't "own" people now?
Doesn't sound like much of a trade-off to me.
Scoopster on 09/19/2008 16:27:50
Quote by livingonli:
Sometimes I wonder what would have happened if we had left the South out of the union besides the CSA maintaining slavery for a longer period of times.
In other words, let them own people then so they wouldn't "own" people now?
Doesn't sound like much of a trade-off to me.
Comment by livingonli on 09/19/2008 16:34:03
Or would the cultural and intellectual talent remain in the North while the ignorance of the reactionaries remained in the South? The South would eventually end up worse off economically since they wouldn't have much to offer outside of agriculture.
livingonli on 09/19/2008 16:34:03
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by livingonli:
Sometimes I wonder what would have happened if we had left the South out of the union besides the CSA maintaining slavery for a longer period of times.
In other words, let them own people then so they wouldn't "own" people now?
Doesn't sound like much of a trade-off to me.
Or would the cultural and intellectual talent remain in the North while the ignorance of the reactionaries remained in the South? The South would eventually end up worse off economically since they wouldn't have much to offer outside of agriculture.
Comment by BobR on 09/19/2008 16:46:23
exited AND excited!
BobR on 09/19/2008 16:46:23
Quote by Raine:
I am so exited! MY eyes are suddenley experiencing allergies.
exited AND excited!
Comment by BobR on 09/19/2008 16:49:14
BobR on 09/19/2008 16:49:14
Bernie made an excellent point about the previous drive to privitize Social Security: Where would everyone be now with the failure of all those investment houses?
Comment by Scoopster on 09/19/2008 16:51:50
Scoopster on 09/19/2008 16:51:50
Heeh.. made a little add-on to my rant from earlier Raine. I couldn't help it! :p
Comment by livingonli on 09/19/2008 16:58:24
In the poorhouse.
livingonli on 09/19/2008 16:58:24
Quote by BobR:
Bernie made an excellent point about the previous drive to privitize Social Security: Where would everyone be now with the failure of all those investment houses?
In the poorhouse.
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/19/2008 17:00:59
You mean that cultural talent like Faulkner, Welty & O'Conner? Southerns ya know.
Mondobubba on 09/19/2008 17:00:59
Quote by livingonli:Quote by Scoopster:Quote by livingonli:
Sometimes I wonder what would have happened if we had left the South out of the union besides the CSA maintaining slavery for a longer period of times.
In other words, let them own people then so they wouldn't "own" people now?
Doesn't sound like much of a trade-off to me.
Or would the cultural and intellectual talent remain in the North while the ignorance of the reactionaries remained in the South? The South would eventually end up worse off economically since they wouldn't have much to offer outside of agriculture.
You mean that cultural talent like Faulkner, Welty & O'Conner? Southerns ya know.
Comment by livingonli on 09/19/2008 17:11:38
livingonli on 09/19/2008 17:11:38
Then there is this version of history: Timeline-191: An alternate history of the USA and CSA from the Civil War to 1945.
Comment by velveeta jones on 09/19/2008 17:15:22
velveeta jones on 09/19/2008 17:15:22
Hey! Is someone callin' us Southerners i'gnant? Is that what I'ma hearing?
Be nice to us, or we'll take NASCAR back!
Be nice to us, or we'll take NASCAR back!
Comment by TriSec on 09/19/2008 17:18:42
TriSec on 09/19/2008 17:18:42
I never will understand Wall Street...
(Mondo, I said they were 'stereotypes'. There's liberal, college-educated progressives in Florida just like there's ignorant bible-thumpers in New Hampshire. It's just that I don't see any way out of the schism if McCain is president. When there's irreconcilable differences, shouldn't a divorce be the next logical step?)
(Mondo, I said they were 'stereotypes'. There's liberal, college-educated progressives in Florida just like there's ignorant bible-thumpers in New Hampshire. It's just that I don't see any way out of the schism if McCain is president. When there's irreconcilable differences, shouldn't a divorce be the next logical step?)
Comment by Scoopster on 09/19/2008 17:21:37
Scoopster on 09/19/2008 17:21:37
Uhh.. McCain is saying on the stump RIGHT NOW IN GREEN BAY WI that Obama supporter and kick-ass economic dude Robert Reich "...was known for the fraud and abuse that was tantamount during his tenure at Fannie Mae..."
:blink: Uhm Johnny? Robert Reich was never head of FMMA. He did advocate hard for the FMLA (Family/Medical Leave Act) tho..
:blink: Uhm Johnny? Robert Reich was never head of FMMA. He did advocate hard for the FMLA (Family/Medical Leave Act) tho..
Comment by TriSec on 09/19/2008 17:36:01
Promise?
<--back at ya!
(We drive fast and turn left every day around here....it's called a 'rotary')
TriSec on 09/19/2008 17:36:01
Quote by velveeta jones:
Hey! Is someone callin' us Southerners i'gnant? Is that what I'ma hearing?
Be nice to us, or we'll take NASCAR back!
Promise?
<--back at ya!(We drive fast and turn left every day around here....it's called a 'rotary')
Comment by Grumpymann on 09/19/2008 17:48:33
I'm not sure about the whole ignorant thing.
But if you want to take NASCAR back I would really like it!
Thanks!
Grumpymann on 09/19/2008 17:48:33
Quote by velveeta jones:
Hey! Is someone callin' us Southerners i'gnant? Is that what I'ma hearing?
Be nice to us, or we'll take NASCAR back!
I'm not sure about the whole ignorant thing.
But if you want to take NASCAR back I would really like it!
Thanks!
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/19/2008 17:59:56
:mutters: Traffic circle. It's a traffic circle. See DuPont circle, Sheridan Circle.
Mondobubba on 09/19/2008 17:59:56
Quote by TriSec:Quote by velveeta jones:
Hey! Is someone callin' us Southerners i'gnant? Is that what I'ma hearing?
Be nice to us, or we'll take NASCAR back!
Promise?
(We drive fast and turn left every day around here....it's called a 'rotary')
:mutters: Traffic circle. It's a traffic circle. See DuPont circle, Sheridan Circle.
Comment by Scoopster on 09/19/2008 18:04:12
Scoopster on 09/19/2008 18:04:12
is tiem for teh funny?
Comment by Scoopster on 09/19/2008 18:08:27
Scoopster on 09/19/2008 18:08:27
Oh wow.. just heard that the anonymous idiots of 4chan's /b/ have hacked Bill O'Reilly's website and posted his subscriber's list and their passwords publically. His website is down at the moment..
Comment by wickedpam on 09/19/2008 18:11:26
wickedpam on 09/19/2008 18:11:26
seems to be fine now Scoop
Comment by wickedpam on 09/19/2008 18:14:56
Wow what a treat for the troops :rolleyes2:
wickedpam on 09/19/2008 18:14:56
For a limited time, for every copy of A Bold Fresh Piece of Humanity bought on BillOReilly.com, we will send a copy to the troops.
Wow what a treat for the troops :rolleyes2:
Comment by livingonli on 09/19/2008 18:18:08
They have something to fall back on when they run out of toilet paper.
livingonli on 09/19/2008 18:18:08
Quote by wickedpam:For a limited time, for every copy of A Bold Fresh Piece of Humanity bought on BillOReilly.com, we will send a copy to the troops.
Wow what a treat for the troops :rolleyes2:
They have something to fall back on when they run out of toilet paper.
Comment by wickedpam on 09/19/2008 18:23:18
:lol:
wickedpam on 09/19/2008 18:23:18
Quote by livingonli:Quote by wickedpam:For a limited time, for every copy of A Bold Fresh Piece of Humanity bought on BillOReilly.com, we will send a copy to the troops.
Wow what a treat for the troops :rolleyes2:
They have something to fall back on when they run out of toilet paper.
:lol:
Comment by livingonli on 09/19/2008 18:37:01
livingonli on 09/19/2008 18:37:01
Time to head off to the salt mine again.
Comment by Scoopster on 09/19/2008 18:42:14
Scoopster on 09/19/2008 18:42:14
Comment by wickedpam on 09/19/2008 18:47:56
wickedpam on 09/19/2008 18:47:56
well - I just signed up threw Obama's site to volunteer. Just hope then don't want me to talk to people, I suck at that.
Comment by BobR on 09/19/2008 18:59:08
I can't decide which is my favorite :lol:
We should send him Raine's "Tootsie" image...
BobR on 09/19/2008 18:59:08
Quote by Scoopster:
Funny pics thread..
I'm gonna toss some of the ones I've found lately in there.
I can't decide which is my favorite :lol:
We should send him Raine's "Tootsie" image...
Comment by BobR on 09/19/2008 19:00:32
OMG - the humanity! :cry:
... literally....
BobR on 09/19/2008 19:00:32
Quote by wickedpam:For a limited time, for every copy of A Bold Fresh Piece of Humanity bought on BillOReilly.com, we will send a copy to the troops.
Wow what a treat for the troops :rolleyes2:
OMG - the humanity! :cry:
... literally....
Comment by Raine on 09/19/2008 19:09:53
:clap:
AWESOME Mala.
I know you are a bit shy, but, truthfully, I think you are underselling yourself.
Raine on 09/19/2008 19:09:53
Quote by wickedpam:
well - I just signed up threw Obama's site to volunteer. Just hope then don't want me to talk to people, I suck at that.
:clap:
AWESOME Mala.
I know you are a bit shy, but, truthfully, I think you are underselling yourself.
Comment by BobR on 09/19/2008 19:10:20
IT'S FRIDAY, YA BASTAHDS!
:boobs2:
:boobs2:
:bounce:
:banana:
:heart:
:heart:
:heart:
:violin:
:heart:
:heart:
:heart:
:banana:
:bounce:
:boobs2: :boobs2:
BOUNCE!!!
BobR on 09/19/2008 19:10:20
:boobs2:
:boobs2::bounce:
:banana:
:heart:
:heart:
:heart:
:violin:
:heart:
:heart:
:heart:
:banana:
:bounce:
:boobs2:
:boobs2:BOUNCE!!!
Comment by BobR on 09/19/2008 19:11:35
Apparently, you are unaware of just how charming you are... :wub2:
BobR on 09/19/2008 19:11:35
Quote by wickedpam:
well - I just signed up threw Obama's site to volunteer. Just hope then don't want me to talk to people, I suck at that.
Apparently, you are unaware of just how charming you are... :wub2:
Comment by 
Random on 09/19/2008 19:12:16
Random on 09/19/2008 19:12:16
*staring out window*
{Random Song Here.}
{Random Song Here.}
Comment by Scoopster on 09/19/2008 19:12:50
Scoopster on 09/19/2008 19:12:50
Comment by Raine on 09/19/2008 19:13:03
I would LOVE that!!!!
Raine on 09/19/2008 19:13:03
Quote by BobR:Quote by Scoopster:
Funny pics thread..
I'm gonna toss some of the ones I've found lately in there.
I can't decide which is my favorite :lol:
We should send him Raine's "Tootsie" image...
I would LOVE that!!!!
Comment by TriSec on 09/19/2008 19:13:08
TriSec on 09/19/2008 19:13:08
Well, "Ask the Pilot" sent me deep into av-dork world today.
Here's an interesting read on the Concorde crash.
It's not what you're expecting.
She should still be with us today. :peace:
Here's an interesting read on the Concorde crash.
It's not what you're expecting.
She should still be with us today. :peace:
Comment by Raine on 09/19/2008 19:17:35
Raine on 09/19/2008 19:17:35
OMG! I missed the bounce!!! is it too late?
:boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2:
:boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2:
:boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2:
:boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2:
:martini::heart::guitar:
:girlgirlkiss: :boygirlkiss::boyboykiss:
:boobs2::penis::boobs2::penis::boobs2::penis::boobs2::penis::boobs2::penis::boobs2:
:boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2:
:boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2:
:boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2:
:boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2:
:boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2:
:boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2:
:boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2:
:martini::heart::guitar:
:girlgirlkiss: :boygirlkiss::boyboykiss:
:boobs2::penis::boobs2::penis::boobs2::penis::boobs2::penis::boobs2::penis::boobs2:
:boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2:
:boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2:
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:boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2:
Comment by Random on 09/19/2008 19:18:11
All you have to remember is a rabid anti-social shut-in who sees natural light every 3 years went out and talked to real people.
No problem.
Random on 09/19/2008 19:18:11
Quote by wickedpam:
well - I just signed up threw Obama's site to volunteer. Just hope then don't want me to talk to people, I suck at that.
All you have to remember is a rabid anti-social shut-in who sees natural light every 3 years went out and talked to real people.
No problem.
Comment by Raine on 09/19/2008 19:20:12
And that right there folks, is why random™ is my hero!!!
:hug:
Raine on 09/19/2008 19:20:12
Quote by Random:Quote by wickedpam:
well - I just signed up threw Obama's site to volunteer. Just hope then don't want me to talk to people, I suck at that.
All you have to remember is a rabid anti-social shut-in who sees natural light every 3 years went out and talked to real people.
No problem.
:hug:
Comment by Random on 09/19/2008 19:20:26
Random on 09/19/2008 19:20:26
Quote by Raine:
OMG! I missed the bounce!!! is it too late?:boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2:
:boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2:
:boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2:
:boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2:
:martini::heart::guitar:
:girlgirlkiss: :boygirlkiss::boyboykiss:
:boobs2::penis::boobs2::penis::boobs2::penis::boobs2::penis::boobs2::penis::boobs2:
:boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2:
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:boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2::boobs2:
Comment by wickedpam on 09/19/2008 19:20:34
why thank you, charming is one thing, however painfully shy tends to override that :)
wickedpam on 09/19/2008 19:20:34
Quote by BobR:Quote by wickedpam:
well - I just signed up threw Obama's site to volunteer. Just hope then don't want me to talk to people, I suck at that.
Apparently, you are unaware of just how charming you are... :wub2:
why thank you, charming is one thing, however painfully shy tends to override that :)
Comment by wickedpam on 09/19/2008 19:21:26
Hey I'm not rabid
:p
wickedpam on 09/19/2008 19:21:26
Quote by Random:Quote by wickedpam:
well - I just signed up threw Obama's site to volunteer. Just hope then don't want me to talk to people, I suck at that.
All you have to remember is a rabid anti-social shut-in who sees natural light every 3 years went out and talked to real people.
No problem.
Hey I'm not rabid
:p
Comment by Raine on 09/19/2008 19:23:38
:(
IT seems so simple... rules are there to PROTECT people.
Raine on 09/19/2008 19:23:38
Quote by TriSec:
Well, "Ask the Pilot" sent me deep into av-dork world today.
Here's an interesting read on the Concorde crash.
It's not what you're expecting.
She should still be with us today. :peace:
IT seems so simple... rules are there to PROTECT people.
Comment by wickedpam on 09/19/2008 19:25:41
those are great!
The Rebulican Base made me choke on my salad!
and "I got this" was very cool :D
wickedpam on 09/19/2008 19:25:41
Quote by Raine:Quote by BobR:Quote by Scoopster:
Funny pics thread..
I'm gonna toss some of the ones I've found lately in there.
I can't decide which is my favorite :lol:
We should send him Raine's "Tootsie" image...
I would LOVE that!!!!
those are great!
The Rebulican Base made me choke on my salad!
and "I got this" was very cool :D
Comment by Random on 09/19/2008 19:28:38
O.o
Random was calling himself Rabid.
Well, not anymore, i got the shots for it.
Random on 09/19/2008 19:28:38
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Random:Quote by wickedpam:
well - I just signed up threw Obama's site to volunteer. Just hope then don't want me to talk to people, I suck at that.
All you have to remember is a rabid anti-social shut-in who sees natural light every 3 years went out and talked to real people.
No problem.
Hey I'm not rabid
:p
O.o
Random was calling himself Rabid.
Well, not anymore, i got the shots for it.
Comment by Raine on 09/19/2008 19:32:41
:gobama:
Raine on 09/19/2008 19:32:41
This morning Senator McCain gave a speech in which his big solution to this worldwide economic crisis was to blame me for it.
This is a guy who's spent nearly three decades in Washington, and after spending the entire campaign saying I haven't been in Washington long enough, he apparently now is willing to assign me responsibility for all of Washington's failures.
Now, I think it's a pretty clear that Senator McCain is a little panicked right now. At this point he seems to be willing to say anything or do anything or change any position or violate any principal to try and win this election, and I've got to say it's kind of sad to see. That's not the politics we need.
It's also been disappointing to see my opponent's reaction to this economic crisis. His first reaction on Monday was to stand up and repeat the line he's said over and over again throughout this campaign -- 'the fundamentals of the economy are strong' -- the comment was so out of touch that even George Bush's White House couldn't agree with it.
:gobama:
Comment by wickedpam on 09/19/2008 19:33:28
Ohhhh - that's what I get for not reading throughly
wickedpam on 09/19/2008 19:33:28
Quote by Random:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Random:Quote by wickedpam:
well - I just signed up threw Obama's site to volunteer. Just hope then don't want me to talk to people, I suck at that.
All you have to remember is a rabid anti-social shut-in who sees natural light every 3 years went out and talked to real people.
No problem.
Hey I'm not rabid
:p
O.o
Random was calling himself Rabid.
Well, not anymore, i got the shots for it.
Ohhhh - that's what I get for not reading throughly
Comment by TriSec on 09/19/2008 19:36:48
That's two of the most basic aviation rules...don't overload the plane, and don't take off with a tailwind. (Of course, Lindbergh got away with both...)
TriSec on 09/19/2008 19:36:48
Quote by Raine:
IT seems so simple... rules are there to PROTECT people.
That's two of the most basic aviation rules...don't overload the plane, and don't take off with a tailwind. (Of course, Lindbergh got away with both...)
Comment by Raine on 09/19/2008 19:40:29
Raine on 09/19/2008 19:40:29
Randi scares me when she mentions Chile and Milton Friedman. Makes me wonder of this is part of the plan.
Comment by Scoopster on 09/19/2008 19:48:10
Scoopster on 09/19/2008 19:48:10
And another email about the RI Obama HQ gathering tonight...
Wooooooo go Rhody!
The response to the headquarters opening has been unbelievable! So many Rhode Islanders signed up for tonight that we actually had to move the event outside and are now planning a "rally for change" with our state's Democratic leaders
The office will still be open, and you'll definitely have a chance to meet other Obama / Biden volunteers and staff, but I wanted to give you an update as to what will happen when you actually get here.
The event officially begins at 6:00, and when you arrive at our office at 321 South Main Street, you'll be greeted by an intern or volunteer who will direct you to the staging area behind our office. We'll be gathering on the Green along the river on South Water Street for the rally. The speaking program will begin at approximately 6:20 and as of right now, we expect several members of the Congressional delegation and general officers to be on hand.
After the rally, we'll be able to talk to you about ways you can support the campaign and get involved in all that's going to happen over the next 45 days.
See you tonight!
(Oh, and don't forget a jacket or sweatshirt)
Wooooooo go Rhody!
Comment by Random on 09/19/2008 19:57:45
It okay.
still love ya.
Random on 09/19/2008 19:57:45
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Random:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Random:Quote by wickedpam:
well - I just signed up threw Obama's site to volunteer. Just hope then don't want me to talk to people, I suck at that.
All you have to remember is a rabid anti-social shut-in who sees natural light every 3 years went out and talked to real people.
No problem.
Hey I'm not rabid
:p
O.o
Random was calling himself Rabid.
Well, not anymore, i got the shots for it.
Ohhhh - that's what I get for not reading throughly
It okay.
still love ya.
Comment by Raine on 09/19/2008 20:00:43
Raine on 09/19/2008 20:00:43
Today, I am VERY grateful that *ush's plan... (and McCAin's plan) to privatize social security failed.
Could you imagine if that went thru???
Could you imagine if that went thru???
Comment by TriSec on 09/19/2008 20:01:32
TriSec on 09/19/2008 20:01:32
*grunt*
Somedays I hate living in a "guaranteed blue" state....everyone ignores us.
Somedays I hate living in a "guaranteed blue" state....everyone ignores us.
Comment by BobR on 09/19/2008 20:05:24
Thom and Bernie mentioned that. I hope this puts that notion into the grave where it belongs.
BobR on 09/19/2008 20:05:24
Quote by Raine:
Today, I am VERY grateful that *ush's plan... (and McCAin's plan) to privatize social security failed.
Could you imagine if that went thru???
Thom and Bernie mentioned that. I hope this puts that notion into the grave where it belongs.
Comment by wickedpam on 09/19/2008 20:09:25
Awww - feel the wuv :hug:
wickedpam on 09/19/2008 20:09:25
Quote by Random:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Random:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Random:Quote by wickedpam:
well - I just signed up threw Obama's site to volunteer. Just hope then don't want me to talk to people, I suck at that.
All you have to remember is a rabid anti-social shut-in who sees natural light every 3 years went out and talked to real people.
No problem.
Hey I'm not rabid
:p
O.o
Random was calling himself Rabid.
Well, not anymore, i got the shots for it.
Ohhhh - that's what I get for not reading throughly
It okay.
still love ya.
Awww - feel the wuv :hug:
Comment by wickedpam on 09/19/2008 20:13:17
hey we're usually colored in with permant red marker, this year its anyone guess
Might be VA's turn in the hot seat, ya never know
wickedpam on 09/19/2008 20:13:17
Quote by TriSec:
*grunt*
Somedays I hate living in a "guaranteed blue" state....everyone ignores us.
hey we're usually colored in with permant red marker, this year its anyone guess
Might be VA's turn in the hot seat, ya never know
Comment by Raine on 09/19/2008 20:17:54
Raine on 09/19/2008 20:17:54
Scoop, I just offered myself up for a field organizer --- told them I am down south, so they can use me as needed down here.
Offered myself up for 2 weeks. Dunno if they will take me, but they have my name for whatever they want.
Offered myself up for 2 weeks. Dunno if they will take me, but they have my name for whatever they want.
Comment by Raine on 09/19/2008 20:21:22
you could help out in NYS, you know.
Don't assume that because you suffer from an embarassment of riches you can help other states Tri.
Raine on 09/19/2008 20:21:22
Quote by TriSec:
*grunt*
Somedays I hate living in a "guaranteed blue" state....everyone ignores us.
Don't assume that because you suffer from an embarassment of riches you can help other states Tri.
Comment by wickedpam on 09/19/2008 20:25:19
wickedpam on 09/19/2008 20:25:19
Randi read the blog yesterday?
Comment by Raine on 09/19/2008 20:25:24
Raine on 09/19/2008 20:25:24
OK... Randi JUST said Gramps needs a food taster...
UHM... did I NOT say that yesterday??? :waiting:
UHM... did I NOT say that yesterday??? :waiting:
Comment by Raine on 09/19/2008 20:27:18
YES!!!
Raine on 09/19/2008 20:27:18
Quote by wickedpam:
Randi read the blog yesterday?
YES!!!
Comment by BobR on 09/19/2008 20:27:52
pffft - try living in a "guaranteed red" state - you get ignored AND you have to live surrounded by Republicans.
BobR on 09/19/2008 20:27:52
Quote by TriSec:
*grunt*
Somedays I hate living in a "guaranteed blue" state....everyone ignores us.
pffft - try living in a "guaranteed red" state - you get ignored AND you have to live surrounded by Republicans.
Comment by TriSec on 09/19/2008 20:29:06
TriSec on 09/19/2008 20:29:06
Say, it is talk like a pirate day.
I bet I'm about the only one here who has an actual pirate associated with his hometown!
Dungeon Rock
Late in the summer of 1658, a sinister ship appeared in Lynn Harbor. The ship was painted black and flew no flag. Word spread quickly among the citizens of the small town of Lynn, Massachusetts: There were pirates in the harbor! A boat was lowered from the ship, a chest was loaded into the boat, and four oarsmen rowed it toward shore. The boat headed up the Saugus River and landed near the Saugus Iron Works. The next day, workers found a note attached to a door, asking to purchase a supply of shackles, hatchets, shovels, and other tools. The note promised that if the requested tools were manufactured and left at a secret location, then a supply of silver would be left in exchange. The tools were made and paid for as promised.
The pirates made camp in a place now known as Pirate's Glen near the Saugus River. British soldiers stationed nearby heard about the pirates and set off to capture them. Three of the buccaneers were captured and hung but the forth, Thomas Veal, escaped into the woods. It was believed that he took the stolen hoard with him as he headed deeper and deeper into the woods. finally arriving at a natural cave in what is now Lynn Woods. Veal lived in the cave for some time and became a member of the Lynn community. The story says he mended shoes for spending money and lived in relative peace with his neighbors. Suddenly, an earthquake rocked the Lynn area, causing a gigantic piece of the rock to tip forward and permanently seal the cave opening. Poor Veal was either trapped inside or crushed to death with his treasure, locked forever in Dungeon Rock.
The remains of Thomas Veal and his treasure were left undisturbed for nearly two hundred years. In the 1830s, two attempts were made to recover the treasure by placing kegs of powder the cave opening and igniting them. Both attempts failed, and the opening to the cave was destroyed, but no riches were found.
More at the link!
(And I have tread Pirate's Glen and have been all the way to the waterline in Dungeon Rock...)
I bet I'm about the only one here who has an actual pirate associated with his hometown!
Dungeon Rock
Late in the summer of 1658, a sinister ship appeared in Lynn Harbor. The ship was painted black and flew no flag. Word spread quickly among the citizens of the small town of Lynn, Massachusetts: There were pirates in the harbor! A boat was lowered from the ship, a chest was loaded into the boat, and four oarsmen rowed it toward shore. The boat headed up the Saugus River and landed near the Saugus Iron Works. The next day, workers found a note attached to a door, asking to purchase a supply of shackles, hatchets, shovels, and other tools. The note promised that if the requested tools were manufactured and left at a secret location, then a supply of silver would be left in exchange. The tools were made and paid for as promised.
The pirates made camp in a place now known as Pirate's Glen near the Saugus River. British soldiers stationed nearby heard about the pirates and set off to capture them. Three of the buccaneers were captured and hung but the forth, Thomas Veal, escaped into the woods. It was believed that he took the stolen hoard with him as he headed deeper and deeper into the woods. finally arriving at a natural cave in what is now Lynn Woods. Veal lived in the cave for some time and became a member of the Lynn community. The story says he mended shoes for spending money and lived in relative peace with his neighbors. Suddenly, an earthquake rocked the Lynn area, causing a gigantic piece of the rock to tip forward and permanently seal the cave opening. Poor Veal was either trapped inside or crushed to death with his treasure, locked forever in Dungeon Rock.
The remains of Thomas Veal and his treasure were left undisturbed for nearly two hundred years. In the 1830s, two attempts were made to recover the treasure by placing kegs of powder the cave opening and igniting them. Both attempts failed, and the opening to the cave was destroyed, but no riches were found.
More at the link!
(And I have tread Pirate's Glen and have been all the way to the waterline in Dungeon Rock...)
Comment by Random on 09/19/2008 20:32:36
You ever live in a "Swing" state? jesus, all the bullshit you see and read. You talking for a guy for a few minutes thinkin he's alright, then he starts with the B.S. Rightie talking points.
Only in a swing state can you have one of the GAYEST cities in the country, only miles away from a city that fancy's itself a western town, and let the KKK march down it's streets.
It's a bloody mess.
Random on 09/19/2008 20:32:36
Quote by BobR:Quote by TriSec:
*grunt*
Somedays I hate living in a "guaranteed blue" state....everyone ignores us.
pffft - try living in a "guaranteed red" state - you get ignored AND you have to live surrounded by Republicans.
You ever live in a "Swing" state? jesus, all the bullshit you see and read. You talking for a guy for a few minutes thinkin he's alright, then he starts with the B.S. Rightie talking points.
Only in a swing state can you have one of the GAYEST cities in the country, only miles away from a city that fancy's itself a western town, and let the KKK march down it's streets.
It's a bloody mess.
Comment by TriSec on 09/19/2008 20:32:55
OK, you win. Don't forget NASCAR!
TriSec on 09/19/2008 20:32:55
Quote by BobR:Quote by TriSec:
*grunt*
Somedays I hate living in a "guaranteed blue" state....everyone ignores us.
pffft - try living in a "guaranteed red" state - you get ignored AND you have to live surrounded by Republicans.
OK, you win. Don't forget NASCAR!
Comment by BobR on 09/19/2008 20:51:19
BobR on 09/19/2008 20:51:19
OMG - the "acting" in the EvolveFish.com commercials is the worst...
:thud:
:thud:
Comment by wickedpam on 09/19/2008 20:54:24
wickedpam on 09/19/2008 20:54:24
isn't it though - make we want to shop there so they'll make more :D
Comment by livingonli on 09/19/2008 21:18:24
livingonli on 09/19/2008 21:18:24
Right now at work I think I have the slowest computer in the building. :Thud:
Comment by Random on 09/19/2008 21:49:37
Random on 09/19/2008 21:49:37
Get'em while they're hot!
Palin - McCain merchandise!
Palin - McCain merchandise!
Comment by BobR on 09/19/2008 22:12:09
BobR on 09/19/2008 22:12:09
Hey - is that OUR Malmo Blue talking to Jeff Farius?
Comment by Random on 09/20/2008 00:26:14
Random on 09/20/2008 00:26:14
At the risk of being booted off the blog...
I don't think we should attack Sarah Palin for her Preacher being bat-shit insane.
Palin is not her preacher, we should not judge her on what her bat-shit insane preacher says.
We should judge her on the bat-shit insane things she says.
I don't think we should attack Sarah Palin for her Preacher being bat-shit insane.
Palin is not her preacher, we should not judge her on what her bat-shit insane preacher says.
We should judge her on the bat-shit insane things she says.
Comment by Raine on 09/20/2008 01:54:36
You would not get booted off the blog.
I get what you are saying... however...
She did get up on the Church stage and preach.And she did that in her church. Tell me agan why the right went after Barack's reverend? Was it wrong? yes. What about Sarah's church? what about what she has SAID in that church?
Sarah has said HERSELF that she believes the IRaq war was sent from god. THAT is something to attack, and you know what? if that came from her preacher... and her church, we REALLY should question that.
I am not in the mood for a Theocratic nation. Sarah, AND her preacher seem to be advocating that.
Raine on 09/20/2008 01:54:36
Quote by Random:
At the risk of being booted off the blog...
I don't think we should attack Sarah Palin for her Preacher being bat-shit insane.
Palin is not her preacher, we should not judge her on what her bat-shit insane preacher says.
We should judge her on the bat-shit insane things she says.
I get what you are saying... however...
She did get up on the Church stage and preach.And she did that in her church. Tell me agan why the right went after Barack's reverend? Was it wrong? yes. What about Sarah's church? what about what she has SAID in that church?
Sarah has said HERSELF that she believes the IRaq war was sent from god. THAT is something to attack, and you know what? if that came from her preacher... and her church, we REALLY should question that.
I am not in the mood for a Theocratic nation. Sarah, AND her preacher seem to be advocating that.
Comment by Raine on 09/20/2008 01:57:20
Top Ten Pickup lines for use on International Talk Like a Pirate Day
10 . Avast, me proud beauty! Wanna know why my Roger is so Jolly?
9. Have ya ever met a man with a real yardarm?
8. Come on up and see me urchins.
7. Yes, that is a hornpipe in my pocket and I am happy to see you.
6. I'd love to drop anchor in your lagoon.
5. Pardon me, but would ya mind if fired me cannon through your porthole?
4. How'd you like to scrape the barnacles off of me rudder?
3. Ya know, darlin’, I’m 97 percent chum free.
2. Well blow me down?
And the number one pickup line for use on International Talk Like a Pirate Day is
1. Prepare to be boarded.
Raine on 09/20/2008 01:57:20
Top Ten Pickup lines for use on International Talk Like a Pirate Day
10 . Avast, me proud beauty! Wanna know why my Roger is so Jolly?
9. Have ya ever met a man with a real yardarm?
8. Come on up and see me urchins.
7. Yes, that is a hornpipe in my pocket and I am happy to see you.
6. I'd love to drop anchor in your lagoon.
5. Pardon me, but would ya mind if fired me cannon through your porthole?
4. How'd you like to scrape the barnacles off of me rudder?
3. Ya know, darlin’, I’m 97 percent chum free.
2. Well blow me down?
And the number one pickup line for use on International Talk Like a Pirate Day is
1. Prepare to be boarded.
Comment by Random on 09/20/2008 02:23:07
So we judge Sarah on what she's said. She has said things very similar to what her preacher has said. So attack her on that. Don't combine her and her preacher. Judge her on herself, not on her preacher or church.
Now, of course feel free to mock Fox for not going after the church, cause that's hypocrisy.
But if we're good people, and good Obama supporters, we will notmake attack Sarah Palin because she's got a crazy preacher. We attack Sarah Palin because she's a crazy Alaskan.
(Edit: We will also try to talk straight)
Random on 09/20/2008 02:23:07
Quote by Raine:You would not get booted off the blog.Quote by Random:
At the risk of being booted off the blog...
I don't think we should attack Sarah Palin for her Preacher being bat-shit insane.
Palin is not her preacher, we should not judge her on what her bat-shit insane preacher says.
We should judge her on the bat-shit insane things she says.
I get what you are saying... however...
She did get up on the Church stage and preach.And she did that in her church. Tell me agan why the right went after Barack's reverend? Was it wrong? yes. What about Sarah's church? what about what she has SAID in that church?
Sarah has said HERSELF that she believes the IRaq war was sent from god. THAT is something to attack, and you know what? if that came from her preacher... and her church, we REALLY should question that.
I am not in the mood for a Theocratic nation. Sarah, AND her preacher seem to be advocating that.
So we judge Sarah on what she's said. She has said things very similar to what her preacher has said. So attack her on that. Don't combine her and her preacher. Judge her on herself, not on her preacher or church.
Now, of course feel free to mock Fox for not going after the church, cause that's hypocrisy.
But if we're good people, and good Obama supporters, we will not
(Edit: We will also try to talk straight)
Comment by velveeta jones on 09/20/2008 02:44:54
velveeta jones on 09/20/2008 02:44:54
Le YIKES! As seen, moments ago, on the award winning teevee show: The Soup!
What hath God wrought?
Scary!!
What hath God wrought?
Scary!!
Comment by BobR on 09/20/2008 05:34:51
:thud:
Oh.
My.
Gawd.
BobR on 09/20/2008 05:34:51
Quote by velveeta jones:
Le YIKES! As seen, moments ago, on the award winning teevee show: The Soup!
What hath God wrought?
Scary!!
:thud:
Oh.
My.
Gawd.
Comment by Raine on 09/20/2008 05:37:04
I will not attack her because she is Alaskan. That is not fair to Alaska. :P
I can't blame a whole state for one Sarah.(although I would really like that rebate check)
Raine on 09/20/2008 05:37:04
Quote by Random:Quote by Raine:You would not get booted off the blog.Quote by Random:
At the risk of being booted off the blog...
I don't think we should attack Sarah Palin for her Preacher being bat-shit insane.
Palin is not her preacher, we should not judge her on what her bat-shit insane preacher says.
We should judge her on the bat-shit insane things she says.
I get what you are saying... however...
She did get up on the Church stage and preach.And she did that in her church. Tell me agan why the right went after Barack's reverend? Was it wrong? yes. What about Sarah's church? what about what she has SAID in that church?
Sarah has said HERSELF that she believes the IRaq war was sent from god. THAT is something to attack, and you know what? if that came from her preacher... and her church, we REALLY should question that.
I am not in the mood for a Theocratic nation. Sarah, AND her preacher seem to be advocating that.
So we judge Sarah on what she's said. She has said things very similar to what her preacher has said. So attack her on that. Don't combine her and her preacher. Judge her on herself, not on her preacher or church.
Now, of course feel free to mock Fox for not going after the church, cause that's hypocrisy.
But if we're good people, and good Obama supporters, we will notmakeattack Sarah Palin because she's got a crazy preacher. We attack Sarah Palin because she's a crazy Alaskan.
(Edit: We will also try to talk straight)
I can't blame a whole state for one Sarah.(although I would really like that rebate check)