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Drama McQueen.
Author: Raine
Date: 09/26/2008 12:27:36
The McCain Campiagn said there was never a deal:
Interesting that this comes from a man who on Tuesday still had not read the Paulson Proposal, who, by Thursday still had not called or contacted Senator Shelby, who along side Senator Dodd and many others were working to come together, and who had by all accounts worked out a deal that looked a little something like this:
That was the major Idea of the deal. Until John McCain came riding in to DC. The meeting was a disaster. According to Chris Dodd: [...]That bipartisan meeting with President Bush at the White House on the mortgage rescue plan was nothing short of a disaster. In an interview on the CNN cable news network, Dodd described a meeting in which Democrats were blindsided by a new core mortgage proposal from House Republicans, with the tacit backing of Republican presidential candidate John McCain. "I am not going to sign on to something I just saw this afternoon," he said. Dodd said Republicans and Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson had to decide what they wanted to support. The whole meeting "looked like a rescue plan for John McCain," Dodd said. He said he was simply going to pretend that the meeting had never happened.
The Only deal that never was, was the one John McCain wanted, which actually includes cutting MORE corporate taxes and further de-regulates the industry. Still no word on what the blank check is supposed to be.
To say that there was never a deal is just a lie. There is no shading the truth here. I wrote a blog the other night about John MCCain being one of those guys who pulls the fire alarm to get out of a test? Well Last night, John McCain called in a bomb threat. He and the fringe right GOP are putting their party first in this very serious economic crisis. People still think he is a maverick? A moderate? A heroic POW?
I think he is a disengenuous politician that puts himself first, party second... and somewhere down the line, his country. And make no mistake, if he is elected, it will be his country, not ours.
Shame on you John McCain.
:peace: and
To address our current financial crisis, John McCain suspended his campaign and returned to Washington, D.C., today to help build a bipartisan consensus for a proposal that would protect the American taxpayer.
Despite today’s news reports, there never existed a “deal,” but merely a proposal offered by a small, select group of Members of Congress. As of right now, there exists only a series of principles, including greater oversight and measures to address CEO pay. However, these principles do not enjoy a consensus in Congress.
At today’s cabinet meeting, John McCain did not attack any proposal or endorse any plan. John McCain simply urged that for any proposal to enjoy the confidence of the American people, stressing that all sides would have to cooperate and build a bipartisan consensus for a solution that protects taxpayers.
However, the Democrats allowed Senator Obama to run their side of the meeting. That did not work as the meeting quickly devolved into a contentious shouting match that did not seek to craft a bipartisan solution.
- Two oversight boards would be formed—one with congressional representation, another would have the power to undo decisions by the Treasury Secretary.
- The Treasury Secretary would be prohibited from acting in an arbitrary or capricious manner or any way inconsistent with existing law.
- Regular, detailed reports would be made to Congress disclosing exercise of the Treasury Secretary's authority.
- An independent inspector general would be set up to monitor the use of the Treasury Secretary's authority.
- The Government Accountability Office would be required to perform audits to ensure proper use of funds, appropriate internal controls, and to prevent waste, fraud, and abuse.
- Maximize and coordinate efforts to modify mortgages for homeowners at risk of foreclosure.
- Loan modifications would be required for mortgages owned or controlled by the federal government.
- A percentage of future profits from the bailout fund would be made available to the Affordable Housing Fund and the Capital Magnet Fund to meet America's housing needs.
That was the major Idea of the deal. Until John McCain came riding in to DC. The meeting was a disaster. According to Chris Dodd: [...]That bipartisan meeting with President Bush at the White House on the mortgage rescue plan was nothing short of a disaster. In an interview on the CNN cable news network, Dodd described a meeting in which Democrats were blindsided by a new core mortgage proposal from House Republicans, with the tacit backing of Republican presidential candidate John McCain. "I am not going to sign on to something I just saw this afternoon," he said. Dodd said Republicans and Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson had to decide what they wanted to support. The whole meeting "looked like a rescue plan for John McCain," Dodd said. He said he was simply going to pretend that the meeting had never happened.
The Only deal that never was, was the one John McCain wanted, which actually includes cutting MORE corporate taxes and further de-regulates the industry. Still no word on what the blank check is supposed to be.
To say that there was never a deal is just a lie. There is no shading the truth here. I wrote a blog the other night about John MCCain being one of those guys who pulls the fire alarm to get out of a test? Well Last night, John McCain called in a bomb threat. He and the fringe right GOP are putting their party first in this very serious economic crisis. People still think he is a maverick? A moderate? A heroic POW?
I think he is a disengenuous politician that puts himself first, party second... and somewhere down the line, his country. And make no mistake, if he is elected, it will be his country, not ours.
Shame on you John McCain.
:peace: and
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Comment by 
velveeta jones on 09/26/2008 12:42:36
velveeta jones on 09/26/2008 12:42:36
First?
Great post Raine! I LOVE the title :lol:
Great post Raine! I LOVE the title :lol:
Comment by 
TriSec on 09/26/2008 12:45:10
TriSec on 09/26/2008 12:45:10
Morning, comrades!
I'm curious about the deal-breaker yesterday. Our congressman (Barney Frank, D-MA) has been a bit bemused this morning about having to referee Republican infighting. But the way it was described on NECN this morning was that a group of "conservative Republicans" torpedoed the deal.
Conservative how? Non-Neocons? GOPers that don't march with Bush? Old-school republicans that think it cost too much?
If they've stopped it, perhaps for the good of the USA at the expense of the party, president, and candidate...that's pretty heady stuff.
I'm curious about the deal-breaker yesterday. Our congressman (Barney Frank, D-MA) has been a bit bemused this morning about having to referee Republican infighting. But the way it was described on NECN this morning was that a group of "conservative Republicans" torpedoed the deal.
Conservative how? Non-Neocons? GOPers that don't march with Bush? Old-school republicans that think it cost too much?
If they've stopped it, perhaps for the good of the USA at the expense of the party, president, and candidate...that's pretty heady stuff.
Comment by 
Raine on 09/26/2008 12:46:54
Raine on 09/26/2008 12:46:54
BobR has gone back to bed, It seems as tho my 1 MG Xanax pills and his Synthroid look remarkably similar first thing in the morning.
Comment by 
wickedpam on 09/26/2008 12:48:42
wickedpam on 09/26/2008 12:48:42
Morning 
Took a couple days off and even avoided the computer yesterday but now I feel like I've missed so much - what the hell happened yesterday?
Took a couple days off and even avoided the computer yesterday but now I feel like I've missed so much - what the hell happened yesterday?
Comment by TriSec on 09/26/2008 12:55:42
ATLANTA - September 26, 2008
Authorities are still investigating whether a drug mishap among the moderators of the noted national website "Four Freedoms Blog" was part of a power grab or attempted coup among the founders...
TriSec on 09/26/2008 12:55:42
Quote by Raine:
BobR has gone back to bed, It seems as tho my 1 MG Xanax pills and his Synthroid look remarkably similar first thing in the morning.
ATLANTA - September 26, 2008
Authorities are still investigating whether a drug mishap among the moderators of the noted national website "Four Freedoms Blog" was part of a power grab or attempted coup among the founders...
Comment by Raine on 09/26/2008 12:56:23
Raine on 09/26/2008 12:56:23
I almost called the Post Drama McQuain.
I still am loving this part of the Press release:
Yeah, sure I believe that one Gramps.
I still am loving this part of the Press release:
At today’s cabinet meeting, John McCain did not attack any proposal or endorse any plan. John McCain simply urged that for any proposal to enjoy the confidence of the American people, stressing that all sides would have to cooperate and build a bipartisan consensus for a solution that protects taxpayers.
However, the Democrats allowed Senator Obama to run their side of the meeting. That did not work as the meeting quickly devolved into a contentious shouting match that did not seek to craft a bipartisan solution.
Yeah, sure I believe that one Gramps.
Comment by TriSec on 09/26/2008 12:59:29
TriSec on 09/26/2008 12:59:29
:klaxon:
Announcer voice:
Ladies and gentlemen, this is your captain speaking. There is a situation that requires that all persons please put on their lifebelts and report to the boat deck. We have called for emergency assistance, and the ship is not in danger of immediately sinking, as our fundamentals are still sound.
Please remain calm and do not panic; do not place money under your matress, and do not buy gold. The government will arrive soon with 700 billion lifeboats to assist.
And in pre-market trading this morning:
Dow Jones -203.00 10815.00 9/26 8:41am
Announcer voice:
Ladies and gentlemen, this is your captain speaking. There is a situation that requires that all persons please put on their lifebelts and report to the boat deck. We have called for emergency assistance, and the ship is not in danger of immediately sinking, as our fundamentals are still sound.
Please remain calm and do not panic; do not place money under your matress, and do not buy gold. The government will arrive soon with 700 billion lifeboats to assist.
And in pre-market trading this morning:
Dow Jones -203.00 10815.00 9/26 8:41am
Comment by Raine on 09/26/2008 13:01:19
I ws writing the blog, went out for a quick smoke, and when I came back inside, Bobber says "I F*cked up."
I asked concerned about a big F-up, and he says, "your pills look just like mine. I didn't know why I left them on the counter, and I didn't know my script was so low. and then as I swallowed the pill, I knew what happened"
Keep in mind the Dentist gave 4 of these pills one for each of my appointments. They are the MAx dosage in a pill. I have had friends that take about .10 mg for day to day anxiety. He'll be a gonner for most of the day. Bright side, he will be nice a calm for the debate.
Raine on 09/26/2008 13:01:19
Quote by TriSec:Quote by Raine:
BobR has gone back to bed, It seems as tho my 1 MG Xanax pills and his Synthroid look remarkably similar first thing in the morning.
ATLANTA - September 26, 2008
Authorities are still investigating whether a drug mishap among the moderators of the noted national website "Four Freedoms Blog" was part of a power grab or attempted coup among the founders...
I ws writing the blog, went out for a quick smoke, and when I came back inside, Bobber says "I F*cked up."
I asked concerned about a big F-up, and he says, "your pills look just like mine. I didn't know why I left them on the counter, and I didn't know my script was so low. and then as I swallowed the pill, I knew what happened"
Keep in mind the Dentist gave 4 of these pills one for each of my appointments. They are the MAx dosage in a pill. I have had friends that take about .10 mg for day to day anxiety. He'll be a gonner for most of the day. Bright side, he will be nice a calm for the debate.
Comment by Raine on 09/26/2008 13:04:10
Raine on 09/26/2008 13:04:10
*ush will be making yet another statemnt this morning.
Comment by velveeta jones on 09/26/2008 13:04:30
velveeta jones on 09/26/2008 13:04:30
I am off work today, well, working somewhere else. But tonight: popcorn to throw at the TV! I'm assuming there will be live blogging?
So, will there be a:
1. Debate
2. Townhall Meeting with Obama.
3. Obama answering questions quietly while Grampy naps at the podium.
So, will there be a:
1. Debate
2. Townhall Meeting with Obama.
3. Obama answering questions quietly while Grampy naps at the podium.
Comment by wickedpam on 09/26/2008 13:05:12
wickedpam on 09/26/2008 13:05:12
AAwwww - poor Bob :D
:D
Comment by velveeta jones on 09/26/2008 13:16:12
velveeta jones on 09/26/2008 13:16:12
:rofl: CNN is playing the Clash "Should I stay or should I go" while talking about the debate, and whether McSame will show up.
:rofl:
CNN is playing the Clash "Should I stay or should I go" while talking about the debate, and whether McSame will show up.:rofl:
Comment by wickedpam on 09/26/2008 13:16:38
Oh Mi Gawd! Thats hysterical! :rofl:
Run Polar Bears Run!
wickedpam on 09/26/2008 13:16:38
Oh Mi Gawd! Thats hysterical! :rofl:Run Polar Bears Run!
Comment by TriSec on 09/26/2008 13:22:45
TriSec on 09/26/2008 13:22:45
So, is the press starting to circle for the kill at last?
McCain jumped the shark with his "suspend the campaign" stunt....it's about time they smell the blood in the water.
Anybody remember 1984? This is the kind of landslide we need to see this year. (for our guy, of course!)
And for another comparison, here's 1932.
McCain jumped the shark with his "suspend the campaign" stunt....it's about time they smell the blood in the water.
Anybody remember 1984? This is the kind of landslide we need to see this year. (for our guy, of course!)
And for another comparison, here's 1932.
Comment by 
starling310 on 09/26/2008 13:32:31
starling310 on 09/26/2008 13:32:31
Comment by starling310 on 09/26/2008 13:34:10
starling310 on 09/26/2008 13:34:10
:rofl: Bobber!!!
That is awesome. And, a little scarey. Sleep well Bobber. Sleep well.
That is awesome. And, a little scarey. Sleep well Bobber. Sleep well.
Comment by TriSec on 09/26/2008 13:38:36
Ah, and I wonder if the M$M is going to issue a retraction? Every story I heard about this today states that the plane was "stormed" and there was a dramatic confrontation...
TriSec on 09/26/2008 13:38:36
Quote by starling310:
I was wondering when this story would conveniently pop up.
Michaela Heyer, a police spokeswoman, said that, contrary to initial reports, the airplane was not stormed by police. “The arrest was entirely unspectacular,” she said. There was “no indication” that either man was carrying explosives or weapons.
Ah, and I wonder if the M$M is going to issue a retraction? Every story I heard about this today states that the plane was "stormed" and there was a dramatic confrontation...
Comment by Raine on 09/26/2008 13:39:30
Raine on 09/26/2008 13:39:30
Synthroid:
Xanax:
Xanax:
Comment by Raine on 09/26/2008 13:40:18
Raine on 09/26/2008 13:40:18
*ush is talking now.
Comment by Raine on 09/26/2008 13:41:16
Raine on 09/26/2008 13:41:16
and he is now done.
Comment by Raine on 09/26/2008 13:41:55
Raine on 09/26/2008 13:41:55
Bush Basically said we need to take the time to do this right...
:rolleyes2:
:rolleyes2:
Comment by 
Scoopster on 09/26/2008 13:43:38
Scoopster on 09/26/2008 13:43:38
Morning all.. 
I've prepared tonight's drinking game:
If McPresent shows up for the debate - take a shot, then an additional shot every time he says "my friends..."
If McBueller doesn't show up - take a shot and then start up a collection to buy him a new liver.
I've prepared tonight's drinking game:If McPresent shows up for the debate - take a shot, then an additional shot every time he says "my friends..."
If McBueller doesn't show up - take a shot and then start up a collection to buy him a new liver.
Comment by starling310 on 09/26/2008 13:43:57
Was it dark in the kitchen?
starling310 on 09/26/2008 13:43:57
Quote by Raine:
Synthroid:
Xanax:
Was it dark in the kitchen?
Comment by Scoopster on 09/26/2008 13:45:34
Scoopster on 09/26/2008 13:45:34
And by the way Bob enjoy that trip! And careful if you decide to stay awake and walk around a bit, 'cause from what I hear those things make you feel like you're walking on stilts incredibly slow.
Comment by 
livingonli on 09/26/2008 13:47:53
livingonli on 09/26/2008 13:47:53
Good morning all. 
Since it's basically going to rain here all weekend. It's not going to do much for my mood plus I'm working. At least I won't be in a drug induced stupor.
Mala, I missed you. I need to get some people in my Space Raiders crew.
Since it's basically going to rain here all weekend. It's not going to do much for my mood plus I'm working. At least I won't be in a drug induced stupor.
Mala, I missed you. I need to get some people in my Space Raiders crew.
Comment by Scoopster on 09/26/2008 13:49:46
Scoopster on 09/26/2008 13:49:46
Comment by Raine on 09/26/2008 13:52:14
Yes, and the first thing he does in his slumber is take that synthroid. They are the same size and shape.
Raine on 09/26/2008 13:52:14
Quote by starling310:
Was it dark in the kitchen?
Comment by Raine on 09/26/2008 13:53:21
Raine on 09/26/2008 13:53:21
Isn't it treasonous to overthrow America?
Cause this seems to me like we are watching a Coup.
Cause this seems to me like we are watching a Coup.
Comment by Scoopster on 09/26/2008 13:54:33
Scoopster on 09/26/2008 13:54:33
This rain sucks man.. I think my trip to New Hampshire for canvassing is off.
Comment by livingonli on 09/26/2008 13:55:38
It could be. I think the right-wing have been trying to seize power and make this country a one-party state since 1994.
livingonli on 09/26/2008 13:55:38
Quote by Raine:
Isn't it treasonous to overthrow America?
Cause this seems to me like we are watching a Coup.
It could be. I think the right-wing have been trying to seize power and make this country a one-party state since 1994.
Comment by Raine on 09/26/2008 13:58:21
I wish it were a bigger phto, but THAT is John McCAin in 2000, on a TV screen on a podium.
HE tried to skip the debate in LA in 2000.
Raine on 09/26/2008 13:58:21
I wish it were a bigger phto, but THAT is John McCAin in 2000, on a TV screen on a podium.
HE tried to skip the debate in LA in 2000.
Comment by wickedpam on 09/26/2008 14:00:57
Yeah, just need a day away from everything.
I think Mondo and i have snagged so many. If you want go ahead and take Chris, Daneille, and Bob C from my crew if that helps ya
wickedpam on 09/26/2008 14:00:57
Quote by livingonli:
Good morning all.
Since it's basically going to rain here all weekend. It's not going to do much for my mood plus I'm working. At least I won't be in a drug induced stupor.
Mala, I missed you. I need to get some people in my Space Raiders crew.
Yeah, just need a day away from everything.
I think Mondo and i have snagged so many. If you want go ahead and take Chris, Daneille, and Bob C from my crew if that helps ya
Comment by 
m-hadley on 09/26/2008 14:08:17
m-hadley on 09/26/2008 14:08:17
Excellent Post Raine-O,
I have a veddy, veddy tedious project ahead of me at work today, so I may even have to turn off Momma -
Gotta get to it (I have been putting it off for months 
).
Have a great Fridee, everybody :P
Cheers,
mfaye
:gobama:
I have a veddy, veddy tedious project ahead of me at work today, so I may even have to turn off Momma -
Gotta get to it (I have been putting it off for months ).Have a great Fridee, everybody :P
Cheers,
mfaye
:gobama:
Comment by Raine on 09/26/2008 14:09:28
Raine on 09/26/2008 14:09:28
So the question is , will I get thru to the show today?
The lines have been off the hook lately. :(
The lines have been off the hook lately. :(
Comment by Raine on 09/26/2008 14:10:55
Raine on 09/26/2008 14:10:55
:xfingers: I am on hold!
Comment by livingonli on 09/26/2008 14:12:34
Hang in there, Raine.
livingonli on 09/26/2008 14:12:34
Quote by Raine:
So the question is , will I get thru to the show today?
The lines have been off the hook lately. :(
Hang in there, Raine.
Comment by wickedpam on 09/26/2008 14:13:22
wickedpam on 09/26/2008 14:13:22
:rofl: I haven't that last clip since they over did it on the Don and Mike show. It fits so perfectly!
Comment by Scoopster on 09/26/2008 14:13:35
Scoopster on 09/26/2008 14:13:35
Quote by Raine:
:xfingers: I am on hold!
Comment by livingonli on 09/26/2008 14:13:38
livingonli on 09/26/2008 14:13:38
Why am I thinking of that old Andy Kaufman bit on SNL when he lip-synched the Mighty Mouse theme.
Comment by m-hadley on 09/26/2008 14:13:55
m-hadley on 09/26/2008 14:13:55
Excellent work Shane-O!!!
I love me some mighty mouse :P
Cheers,
mfaye
:gobama:
I love me some mighty mouse :P
Cheers,
mfaye
:gobama:
Comment by m-hadley on 09/26/2008 14:15:37
Hang in there Raine,
I'm sure that Momma will take your call, you are one of Momma's favorite babies after all :D
Cheers,
mfaye
:gobama:
m-hadley on 09/26/2008 14:15:37
Quote by Raine:
:xfingers: I am on hold!
Hang in there Raine,
I'm sure that Momma will take your call, you are one of Momma's favorite babies after all :D
Cheers,
mfaye
:gobama:
Comment by Scoopster on 09/26/2008 14:18:33
Scoopster on 09/26/2008 14:18:33
"You can’t just say, ‘World stop for a moment. I’m going to cancel everything...`"
- Mike Huckabee, on McCain's "big mistake" i.e. even saying that he might skip the debate
- Mike Huckabee, on McCain's "big mistake" i.e. even saying that he might skip the debate
Comment by Raine on 09/26/2008 14:18:41
Raine on 09/26/2008 14:18:41
Bottom Ten reasons why Gramps is skipping the debate.
10. I have to wax all 13 cars that night.
9. I found a set of house keys, and I have to try them out in each of my 8 to 12 houses.
8. 9/11
7. Taller candidate usually wins and these podiums don’t let me hide my orange crate
6. Debate Commission disallowed use of the phrase “My Friends”
5. Lobbyists don’t work past 6 on Fridays, so he has no staff available.
10. I have to wax all 13 cars that night.
9. I found a set of house keys, and I have to try them out in each of my 8 to 12 houses.
8. 9/11
7. Taller candidate usually wins and these podiums don’t let me hide my orange crate
6. Debate Commission disallowed use of the phrase “My Friends”
5. Lobbyists don’t work past 6 on Fridays, so he has no staff available.
Comment by livingonli on 09/26/2008 14:22:36
So you have the inside track on all this?
livingonli on 09/26/2008 14:22:36
Quote by m-hadley:Quote by Raine:
:xfingers: I am on hold!
Hang in there Raine,
I'm sure that Momma will take your call, you are one of Momma's favorite babies after all :D
Cheers,
mfaye
:gobama:
So you have the inside track on all this?
Comment by m-hadley on 09/26/2008 14:28:22
Livin,
RB and I are just like this :xfingers:, so I do have an inside line and I hear that Momma and the mooks love them some 4Fers :P
Cheers,
mfaye
:gobama:
m-hadley on 09/26/2008 14:28:22
Quote by livingonli:Quote by m-hadley:Quote by Raine:
:xfingers: I am on hold!
Hang in there Raine,
I'm sure that Momma will take your call, you are one of Momma's favorite babies after all :D
Cheers,
mfaye
:gobama:
So you have the inside track on all this?
Livin,
RB and I are just like this :xfingers:, so I do have an inside line and I hear that Momma and the mooks love them some 4Fers :P
Cheers,
mfaye
:gobama:
Comment by wickedpam on 09/26/2008 14:30:27
That's always nice to hear :D
wickedpam on 09/26/2008 14:30:27
Quote by m-hadley:Quote by livingonli:Quote by m-hadley:Quote by Raine:
:xfingers: I am on hold!
Hang in there Raine,
I'm sure that Momma will take your call, you are one of Momma's favorite babies after all :D
Cheers,
mfaye
:gobama:
So you have the inside track on all this?
Livin,
RB and I are just like this :xfingers:, so I do have an inside line and I hear that Momma and the mooks love them some 4Fers :P
Cheers,
mfaye
:gobama:
That's always nice to hear :D
Comment by TriSec on 09/26/2008 14:33:02
TriSec on 09/26/2008 14:33:02
" I hope an agreement is reached in time for me to fly to Oxford "
KIAD (38°56'51"N 77°27'36"W)
KUOX (34°23'04"N 89°32'13"W)
Heading: 248° (W)
740 mi
The Senator's campaign plane is a Boeing 737-400, rated with a cruising speed of 514 mph.
So, direct flight-time is 1:25. Since he'd be on a priority flight, he'd have preference in both takeoff and landing, so factor in at most another 45 minutes total. That gives me a complete cycle time of 2:10.
With the debate scheduled for 9pm, McCain would have a wheels-up time of 6 pm if he's to make it. (factoring in ground-travel and TV prep time.)
KIAD (38°56'51"N 77°27'36"W)
KUOX (34°23'04"N 89°32'13"W)
Heading: 248° (W)
740 mi
The Senator's campaign plane is a Boeing 737-400, rated with a cruising speed of 514 mph.
So, direct flight-time is 1:25. Since he'd be on a priority flight, he'd have preference in both takeoff and landing, so factor in at most another 45 minutes total. That gives me a complete cycle time of 2:10.
With the debate scheduled for 9pm, McCain would have a wheels-up time of 6 pm if he's to make it. (factoring in ground-travel and TV prep time.)
Comment by Raine on 09/26/2008 14:34:29
Raine on 09/26/2008 14:34:29
Awww jeepers... I gotta follow Naomi Wolfe? :kickcan:
I love the book, the beauty myth.
I love the book, the beauty myth.
Comment by wickedpam on 09/26/2008 14:35:27
you might want to factor in the Nor'Easter moving up the coast too
wickedpam on 09/26/2008 14:35:27
Quote by TriSec:
" I hope an agreement is reached in time for me to fly to Oxford "
KIAD (38°56'51"N 77°27'36"W)
KUOX (34°23'04"N 89°32'13"W)
Heading: 248° (W)
740 mi
The Senator's campaign plane is a Boeing 737-400, rated with a cruising speed of 514 mph.
So, direct flight-time is 1:25. Since he'd be on a priority flight, he'd have preference in both takeoff and landing, so factor in at most another 45 minutes total. That gives me a complete cycle time of 2:10.
With the debate scheduled for 9pm, McCain would have a wheels-up time of 6 pm if he's to make it. (factoring in ground-travel and TV prep time.)
you might want to factor in the Nor'Easter moving up the coast too
Comment by wickedpam on 09/26/2008 14:36:42
I thought Naomi Klein did the Beauty Myth? I'm getting my Naomi's mixed up
wickedpam on 09/26/2008 14:36:42
Quote by Raine:
Awww jeepers... I gotta follow Naomi Wolfe? :kickcan:
I love the book, the beauty myth.
I thought Naomi Klein did the Beauty Myth? I'm getting my Naomi's mixed up
Comment by Will in Chicago on 09/26/2008 14:38:30
Will in Chicago on 09/26/2008 14:38:30
Good morning, bloggers!!! Excellent blog entry, Raine!!
I hope that everyone is well, and that BobR will be fine. (Raine, please resist the urge to put his hand in a bucket of warm water even if he might not notice it today. Now, if it was John McCain, I would feel no such compulsion.)
Here in Phoenix, I am busy setting up substitute teaching and plan to volunteer at Obama's headquarters later. Sorry that I have been away, but I have been running around a lot. (I spent four hours with paperwork earlier this week for one school district.)
As for McCain, he is being very dramatic. Indeed, I think he is riding the drama llama - something that makes about as much sense as McCain's actions.
Maybe we should call John McCain Sir Flipflops-a-lot. (Maybe we should convince him to do all of his campaign appearances on a trampoline, for truth in advertising purposes.)
By the way, the UNN Daily Headlines are up, and there will be more after breakfast.
Hmm, Raine, I just thought of something. BobR may now be more coherent and alert than McCain might be tonight.
I hope that everyone is well, and that BobR will be fine. (Raine, please resist the urge to put his hand in a bucket of warm water even if he might not notice it today. Now, if it was John McCain, I would feel no such compulsion.)
Here in Phoenix, I am busy setting up substitute teaching and plan to volunteer at Obama's headquarters later. Sorry that I have been away, but I have been running around a lot. (I spent four hours with paperwork earlier this week for one school district.)
As for McCain, he is being very dramatic. Indeed, I think he is riding the drama llama - something that makes about as much sense as McCain's actions.
Maybe we should call John McCain Sir Flipflops-a-lot. (Maybe we should convince him to do all of his campaign appearances on a trampoline, for truth in advertising purposes.)
By the way, the UNN Daily Headlines are up, and there will be more after breakfast.
Hmm, Raine, I just thought of something. BobR may now be more coherent and alert than McCain might be tonight.
Comment by livingonli on 09/26/2008 14:40:55
I guess the same first name confuses every one. Naomi Klein did No Logo and Shock Doctrine and she's Canadian. Naomi Wolf is American and besides the Beauty Myth, she has written several recent books reflecting how the neo-cons have peed on the Constitution. Naomi Klein has largely focused on Economics like her September, 2004 Harper's article on how the Neo-Cons were turning Iraq into a playground for neo-conservative economic policies with the unregulated economy.
livingonli on 09/26/2008 14:40:55
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
Awww jeepers... I gotta follow Naomi Wolfe? :kickcan:
I love the book, the beauty myth.
I thought Naomi Klein did the Beauty Myth? I'm getting my Naomi's mixed up
I guess the same first name confuses every one. Naomi Klein did No Logo and Shock Doctrine and she's Canadian. Naomi Wolf is American and besides the Beauty Myth, she has written several recent books reflecting how the neo-cons have peed on the Constitution. Naomi Klein has largely focused on Economics like her September, 2004 Harper's article on how the Neo-Cons were turning Iraq into a playground for neo-conservative economic policies with the unregulated economy.
Comment by Raine on 09/26/2008 14:41:24
Klein Shock, Wolfe, Beauty.
They both came out with similar books last year.
Raine on 09/26/2008 14:41:24
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
Awww jeepers... I gotta follow Naomi Wolfe? :kickcan:
I love the book, the beauty myth.
I thought Naomi Klein did the Beauty Myth? I'm getting my Naomi's mixed up
They both came out with similar books last year.
Comment by Raine on 09/26/2008 14:42:47
Raine on 09/26/2008 14:42:47
Hey Will!
I think you are right. Bobber sounded a little like John MCCAin in stumbly talk before he went down for the count. Hew looked so relaxed and happy.
I think you are right. Bobber sounded a little like John MCCAin in stumbly talk before he went down for the count. Hew looked so relaxed and happy.
Comment by livingonli on 09/26/2008 14:43:01
livingonli on 09/26/2008 14:43:01
Hi, Will. Sounds like Phoenix is treating you well. How's the cost of living there these days?
Comment by livingonli on 09/26/2008 14:44:00
livingonli on 09/26/2008 14:44:00
BTW, Naomi Wolf is doing Shoot the Messenger Monday night. She replaced Bill Moyers who had to reschedule.
Comment by Raine on 09/26/2008 14:46:38
Raine on 09/26/2008 14:46:38
Hmmm... I was calling about that little detail.
Shall I still stay on hold?
Shall I still stay on hold?
Comment by livingonli on 09/26/2008 14:47:36
You can add some detail to it. I think we just want to hear your tones on the radio machine.
livingonli on 09/26/2008 14:47:36
Quote by Raine:
Hmmm... I was calling about that little detail.
Shall I still stay on hold?
You can add some detail to it. I think we just want to hear your tones on the radio machine.
Comment by livingonli on 09/26/2008 14:56:01
livingonli on 09/26/2008 14:56:01
I don't want to be a CEO. I just want the Golden Parachute so I wouldn't have to work a day in my life. :lol:
Raine. 
Raine.
Comment by wickedpam on 09/26/2008 14:56:06
wickedpam on 09/26/2008 14:56:06
Raine!
Comment by livingonli on 09/26/2008 15:07:04
livingonli on 09/26/2008 15:07:04
This blog has gotten too quiet lately? And where's Random?
Comment by Will in Chicago on 09/26/2008 15:07:31
Good. Gas is astonishingly cheap, ranging from $3.31 per gallon to $3.41 per gallon. So, it is less of a strain on my wallet. (I hope I am subbing soon so I can fill that wallet with money -- assuming of course that our currencey will have more value than Monopoly Money.)
Will in Chicago on 09/26/2008 15:07:31
Quote by livingonli:
Hi, Will. Sounds like Phoenix is treating you well. How's the cost of living there these days?
Good. Gas is astonishingly cheap, ranging from $3.31 per gallon to $3.41 per gallon. So, it is less of a strain on my wallet. (I hope I am subbing soon so I can fill that wallet with money -- assuming of course that our currencey will have more value than Monopoly Money.)
Comment by livingonli on 09/26/2008 15:09:35
And you don't have to be glued to the computer to hear KPHX.
livingonli on 09/26/2008 15:09:35
Quote by Will in Phoenix:Quote by livingonli:
Hi, Will. Sounds like Phoenix is treating you well. How's the cost of living there these days?
Good. Gas is astonishingly cheap, ranging from $3.31 per gallon to $3.41 per gallon. So, it is less of a strain on my wallet. (I hope I am subbing soon so I can fill that wallet with money -- assuming of course that our currencey will have more value than Monopoly Money.)
And you don't have to be glued to the computer to hear KPHX.
Comment by TriSec on 09/26/2008 15:12:52
TriSec on 09/26/2008 15:12:52
4F Air Wing helping out with Momma's Birthday Cake:
Comment by TriSec on 09/26/2008 15:15:53
TriSec on 09/26/2008 15:15:53
Say now, isn't threatening a member of congress with bodily harm a felony of some sort?
Comment by livingonli on 09/26/2008 15:17:02
Yes. I guess the syphilis is reaching the final stages and eating at Bill-O's brain.
livingonli on 09/26/2008 15:17:02
Quote by TriSec:
Say now, isn't threatening a member of congress with bodily harm a felony of some sort?
Yes. I guess the syphilis is reaching the final stages and eating at Bill-O's brain.
Comment by m-hadley on 09/26/2008 15:17:16
m-hadley on 09/26/2008 15:17:16
Raine,
Dang - I missed it - a student called, so I was on the phone :(
I hope that Shane-O can post it later - of course, I can always hear it later on the Steph Cast :D
Cheers,
mfaye
:gobama:
Dang - I missed it - a student called, so I was on the phone :(
I hope that Shane-O can post it later - of course, I can always hear it later on the Steph Cast :D
Cheers,
mfaye
:gobama:
Comment by livingonli on 09/26/2008 15:20:16
livingonli on 09/26/2008 15:20:16
In Right Wing World, everything wrong that has happened since the 1960's can be blamed on Bill Clinton and minorities. 
Comment by wickedpam on 09/26/2008 15:58:57
wickedpam on 09/26/2008 15:58:57
off to do house stuff - see everyone later!
Comment by livingonli on 09/26/2008 16:04:29
livingonli on 09/26/2008 16:04:29
Not a single blog post during the last 40 minutes of the Stephanie Miller newscast. This blog is slacking off indeed.
Comment by Scoopster on 09/26/2008 16:05:17
Scoopster on 09/26/2008 16:05:17
My modified drinking game for tonight:
- If McCain shows up, take a shot and relax your left eye so it's looking downwards. If he doesn't, take two shots and do your best imitation of Ben Stein saying "Bueller... Bueller... Bueller..."
Take a sip/gulp of beer whenever..
- McCain says "my friends", "9/11", "POW", "Russia" or "surge"
- Obama says "hope", "Al Qaeda", "Bin Laden", "Darfur", "Sudan", "Afghanistan" or "Pakistan"
- Either candidate brings up the cold war or Vietnam.
Chug a beer or do a shot whenever...
- McCain says "Bin Laden", "Al Qaeda" "war with Iran", "Afghanistan", "Radical Islam", "leave Iraq with honor", "bring the troops home with honor" or "missile shield"
- Obama says "nuclear proliferation", "South Ossetia" or "Georgia"
- Either candiate brings up expansion of NATO or North Korea.
- If McCain shows up, take a shot and relax your left eye so it's looking downwards. If he doesn't, take two shots and do your best imitation of Ben Stein saying "Bueller... Bueller... Bueller..."
Take a sip/gulp of beer whenever..
- McCain says "my friends", "9/11", "POW", "Russia" or "surge"
- Obama says "hope", "Al Qaeda", "Bin Laden", "Darfur", "Sudan", "Afghanistan" or "Pakistan"
- Either candidate brings up the cold war or Vietnam.
Chug a beer or do a shot whenever...
- McCain says "Bin Laden", "Al Qaeda" "war with Iran", "Afghanistan", "Radical Islam", "leave Iraq with honor", "bring the troops home with honor" or "missile shield"
- Obama says "nuclear proliferation", "South Ossetia" or "Georgia"
- Either candiate brings up expansion of NATO or North Korea.
Comment by Scoopster on 09/26/2008 16:21:26
Scoopster on 09/26/2008 16:21:26
Comment by 
Mondobubba on 09/26/2008 16:29:13
Tri, have factored in the deliciously awful rush hour traffic in DC. I don't think he gets to clear a lane to go from Capitol Hill down Pennsylvania Ave to get to I66 to pick up the Dulles access road. That is a at least a trip of an hour to get to the access road. At least Grampy can use the HOV portion of 66 in Arlington in his limo. There will be at least three people in the car. So Grampy has from right now about about four hours.
The other scenario is better for McCain. If the Straight Talk Express plane version is a 737 he can hope on 395 get off at GW Parkway and get to National faster. I've flown on 737 out of National.
Tri so what kine plane does Grampy have.
Mondobubba on 09/26/2008 16:29:13
Quote by TriSec:
" I hope an agreement is reached in time for me to fly to Oxford "
KIAD (38°56'51"N 77°27'36"W)
KUOX (34°23'04"N 89°32'13"W)
Heading: 248° (W)
740 mi
The Senator's campaign plane is a Boeing 737-400, rated with a cruising speed of 514 mph.
So, direct flight-time is 1:25. Since he'd be on a priority flight, he'd have preference in both takeoff and landing, so factor in at most another 45 minutes total. That gives me a complete cycle time of 2:10.
With the debate scheduled for 9pm, McCain would have a wheels-up time of 6 pm if he's to make it. (factoring in ground-travel and TV prep time.)
Tri, have factored in the deliciously awful rush hour traffic in DC. I don't think he gets to clear a lane to go from Capitol Hill down Pennsylvania Ave to get to I66 to pick up the Dulles access road. That is a at least a trip of an hour to get to the access road. At least Grampy can use the HOV portion of 66 in Arlington in his limo. There will be at least three people in the car. So Grampy has from right now about about four hours.
The other scenario is better for McCain. If the Straight Talk Express plane version is a 737 he can hope on 395 get off at GW Parkway and get to National faster. I've flown on 737 out of National.
Tri so what kine plane does Grampy have.
Comment by 
Random on 09/26/2008 16:37:07
Random on 09/26/2008 16:37:07
Well...
Random pool is open.
Will McCain show up?
And of course, if he does. Who will Win?
Random pool is open.
Will McCain show up?
And of course, if he does. Who will Win?
Comment by Scoopster on 09/26/2008 16:42:10
Morning/Afternoon Random! I think you missed it - McCain already won!
Scoopster on 09/26/2008 16:42:10
Quote by Random:
Well...
Random pool is open.
Will McCain show up?
And of course, if he does. Who will Win?
Morning/Afternoon Random! I think you missed it - McCain already won!
Comment by Raine on 09/26/2008 16:42:47
Raine on 09/26/2008 16:42:47
I need a littel blog help. Does anyone know of a website where I can find if a certain Item is available at a store?
I need a specic head for my toothbrush and I can't keep running around town looking for it.
It's a brand new power brush, and this head is the "power Tip ™" by Oral-b Braun.
I need a specic head for my toothbrush and I can't keep running around town looking for it.
It's a brand new power brush, and this head is the "power Tip ™" by Oral-b Braun.
Comment by Random on 09/26/2008 16:58:17
I saw and read. I mean seriously. And that does look a little fake.
Random on 09/26/2008 16:58:17
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Random:
Well...
Random pool is open.
Will McCain show up?
And of course, if he does. Who will Win?
Morning/Afternoon Random! I think you missed it - McCain already won!
I saw and read. I mean seriously. And that does look a little fake.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 09/26/2008 16:59:40
Euripides wrote "Whom the gods would destroy, they first drive mad." MCCain is demonstrating a hubris worthy of a Greek tragedy.
Raine, try
http://www.oralb.com/us/products/brushheads/ . I have found the product. You can also check where to buy it at: http://www.oralb.com/us/wheretobuy/ amd you can get replacement brush heads at http://www.theessentials.com/jump.jsp?itemType=CATEGORY&itemID=115&path=1%2C3%2C115.
I hope this helps.
Will in Chicago on 09/26/2008 16:59:40
Quote by Scoopster:
What the hell??????? McCain has web ads up already saying he won the debate..
Euripides wrote "Whom the gods would destroy, they first drive mad." MCCain is demonstrating a hubris worthy of a Greek tragedy.
Raine, try
http://www.oralb.com/us/products/brushheads/ . I have found the product. You can also check where to buy it at: http://www.oralb.com/us/wheretobuy/ amd you can get replacement brush heads at http://www.theessentials.com/jump.jsp?itemType=CATEGORY&itemID=115&path=1%2C3%2C115.
I hope this helps.
Comment by Raine on 09/26/2008 17:09:57
Raine on 09/26/2008 17:09:57
Does MCCAin understand that this is a debate not a football game?
HE is such an ass.
Will, Thanks for that information. Sadly, CVS doesn't seem to carry it at the stores. Nor does Rite Aid, and Target wants me to DRIVE to the store.
I kinda need to buy this damn thing today.
HE is such an ass.
Will, Thanks for that information. Sadly, CVS doesn't seem to carry it at the stores. Nor does Rite Aid, and Target wants me to DRIVE to the store.
I kinda need to buy this damn thing today.
Comment by TriSec on 09/26/2008 17:12:33
737-4B7 (a 400-series derivative.)
And to be fair, here's the other one:
757-28A ( a 200 series derivative)
TriSec on 09/26/2008 17:12:33
737-4B7 (a 400-series derivative.)
And to be fair, here's the other one:
757-28A ( a 200 series derivative)
Comment by Random on 09/26/2008 17:15:29
Nice planes.
I find it kind of funny that Obama has his slogan and a large O on his plane.
And McCain has his name plastered all over it.
Random on 09/26/2008 17:15:29
Quote by TriSec:
737-4B7 (a 400-series derivative.)
And to be fair, here's the other one:
757-28A ( a 200 series derivative)
Nice planes.
I find it kind of funny that Obama has his slogan and a large O on his plane.
And McCain has his name plastered all over it.
Comment by TriSec on 09/26/2008 17:18:45
TriSec on 09/26/2008 17:18:45
Oh, and John McCain was flying on an A-320 during the primaries...a European-built aircraft from the same company that he wants to award the tanker contract to. Sarah Palin's plane is an Embraer ERJ-145 (built in Brazil.)
Obama has always flown aboard an American-built aircraft; Joe Biden is also flying aboard a Boeing (a 737 like McCain's.)
Obama has always flown aboard an American-built aircraft; Joe Biden is also flying aboard a Boeing (a 737 like McCain's.)
Comment by Will in Chicago on 09/26/2008 17:22:30
Try the direct contact for the company. Maybe they can ship it to you directly, or have a regional center that you can visit. Give it a shot.
Will in Chicago on 09/26/2008 17:22:30
Quote by Raine:
Does MCCAin understand that this is a debate not a football game?
HE is such an ass.
Will, Thanks for that information. Sadly, CVS doesn't seem to carry it at the stores. Nor does Rite Aid, and Target wants me to DRIVE to the store.
I kinda need to buy this damn thing today.
Try the direct contact for the company. Maybe they can ship it to you directly, or have a regional center that you can visit. Give it a shot.
Comment by TriSec on 09/26/2008 17:23:12
TriSec on 09/26/2008 17:23:12
From a purely av-dork point of view, it would be neat if someone in Oxford is able to capture both campaign planes in the same picture tonight.
I'll have to check my photography sources over the next few days or so...
I'll have to check my photography sources over the next few days or so...
Comment by TriSec on 09/26/2008 17:31:36
TriSec on 09/26/2008 17:31:36
*idle thought*
Drill Baby, Drill! (huge image, sorry.)
vs.
Strategic Petroleum Reserve.
Discuss.
Drill Baby, Drill! (huge image, sorry.)
vs.
Strategic Petroleum Reserve.
The United States started the petroleum reserve in 1975 after oil supplies were cut off during the 1973-74 oil embargo, to mitigate future temporary supply disruptions for example fallout with Relations dealing in oil or World War. According to the World Factbook, the United States imports a net 12 million barrels (1,900,000 m3) of oil a day (MMbd), so the SPR holds about a 58-day supply. However, the maximum total withdrawal capability from the SPR is only 4.4 million barrels (700,000 m3) per day, making it a 160 + day supply.
Discuss.
Comment by TriSec on 09/26/2008 18:12:42
TriSec on 09/26/2008 18:12:42
Comment by livingonli on 09/26/2008 18:23:14
livingonli on 09/26/2008 18:23:14
Time to go head off to the salt mine.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 09/26/2008 18:34:49
Will in Chicago on 09/26/2008 18:34:49
Raine, any luck with the tooth brush?
Comment by Raine on 09/26/2008 18:39:48
None yet. I have a few potential leads, but nothing yet. :(
Raine on 09/26/2008 18:39:48
Quote by Will in Phoenix:
Raine, any luck with the tooth brush?
Comment by TriSec on 09/26/2008 18:48:50
TriSec on 09/26/2008 18:48:50
coffee ---> 
Getting ready for our first Pack meeting tonight. There's some drama at the new school, so we're not meeting there. (We're in another school that's been so open and supportive of us, that I'm thinking of flipping the charter.)
TriSec has been sleeping badly for about a month now, I don't know what's up with that. (not insomnia per se, but a distinct lack of restful sleep; I always awaken unrested.)
Anyway...naught but wild horses could drag me away from the debate tonight. I even moved up the meeting start so I'd be sure to be home in time.
Everyone has one of these for tonight, right? (Hey, it's safer than the real thing.)
Getting ready for our first Pack meeting tonight. There's some drama at the new school, so we're not meeting there. (We're in another school that's been so open and supportive of us, that I'm thinking of flipping the charter.)
TriSec has been sleeping badly for about a month now, I don't know what's up with that. (not insomnia per se, but a distinct lack of restful sleep; I always awaken unrested.)
Anyway...naught but wild horses could drag me away from the debate tonight. I even moved up the meeting start so I'd be sure to be home in time.
Everyone has one of these for tonight, right? (Hey, it's safer than the real thing.)
Comment by Scoopster on 09/26/2008 18:56:33
You just can't make up shit like this. (I mean the name)
Scoopster on 09/26/2008 18:56:33
You just can't make up shit like this. (I mean the name)
Comment by Scoopster on 09/26/2008 19:24:31
Scoopster on 09/26/2008 19:24:31
Comment by 
BobR on 09/26/2008 19:26:52
BobR on 09/26/2008 19:26:52
Comment by BobR on 09/26/2008 19:27:28
BobR on 09/26/2008 19:27:28
Comment by Shane-O on 09/26/2008 19:36:09
Shane-O on 09/26/2008 19:36:09
W T F!!!
How the hell do GOP members get away with this crap! Rewriting history (if a week ago can be considered "History").
Bush puts out an economy bail out plan - the Neo-Cons love it. It has to be done FAST! And then, when the Republicans realize that the public hates it -- it's now the "Democrat" plan. GRRRR!!!!!!! W T F!!
How the hell do GOP members get away with this crap! Rewriting history (if a week ago can be considered "History").
Bush puts out an economy bail out plan - the Neo-Cons love it. It has to be done FAST! And then, when the Republicans realize that the public hates it -- it's now the "Democrat" plan. GRRRR!!!!!!! W T F!!
Comment by TriSec on 09/26/2008 20:01:03
TriSec on 09/26/2008 20:01:03
Erm, Russian bombers have been flying up and down the East Coast recently, heading for Venezuela.
That's near Alaska, right?
That's near Alaska, right?
Comment by AuntAzalea on 09/26/2008 20:05:03
hey all. rumor alert! rumor alert!
Sarah will have some sort of "family emergency" and need to step down. VP debate canceled while a new Republican VP is found.
Seems they had a mock debate and the results were "disastrous". That was the word used by her handlers!!
Sarah will have some sort of "family emergency" and need to step down. VP debate canceled while a new Republican VP is found.
Seems they had a mock debate and the results were "disastrous". That was the word used by her handlers!!
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/26/2008 20:07:00
:Looks at maps: : protractor, dividers etc: :shoots sun with sextant: :scribble calculations: Um yeah! Fo sure!
Mondobubba on 09/26/2008 20:07:00
Quote by TriSec:
Erm, Russian bombers have been flying up and down the East Coast recently, heading for Venezuela.
That's near Alaska, right?
:Looks at maps: : protractor, dividers etc: :shoots sun with sextant: :scribble calculations: Um yeah! Fo sure!
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/26/2008 20:13:21
I like this rumor, I like it a lot. I want to take it home and plant it, water it, give it plenty of sun and compost and watch it grow and grow!
Mondobubba on 09/26/2008 20:13:21
Quote by AuntAzalea:
hey all. rumor alert! rumor alert!
Sarah will have some sort of "family emergency" and need to step down. VP debate canceled while a new Republican VP is found.
Seems they had a mock debate and the results were "disastrous". That was the word used by her handlers!!
I like this rumor, I like it a lot. I want to take it home and plant it, water it, give it plenty of sun and compost and watch it grow and grow!
Comment by Raine on 09/26/2008 20:16:37
Raine on 09/26/2008 20:16:37
I am painting my obama sigh for the debate tonite!!!
WE are bringing the laptop and going to a friends house for a debate party. And yes, we are staying the nite...
WE are bringing the laptop and going to a friends house for a debate party. And yes, we are staying the nite...
Comment by Random on 09/26/2008 20:31:25
LINK!
LINK!
(seems everytime i tried to type LINK! it went KINK!...Is my subconscious trying to say something?)
Random on 09/26/2008 20:31:25
Quote by AuntAzalea:
hey all. rumor alert! rumor alert!
Sarah will have some sort of "family emergency" and need to step down. VP debate canceled while a new Republican VP is found.
Seems they had a mock debate and the results were "disastrous". That was the word used by her handlers!!
LINK!
LINK!
(seems everytime i tried to type LINK! it went KINK!...Is my subconscious trying to say something?)
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/26/2008 20:34:06
Mondobubba on 09/26/2008 20:34:06
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/26/2008 20:35:49
CRAP! There goes my plan for the surprise visit!
Mondobubba on 09/26/2008 20:35:49
Quote by Raine:
I am painting my obama sigh for the debate tonite!!!
WE are bringing the laptop and going to a friends house for a debate party. And yes, we are staying the nite...
CRAP! There goes my plan for the surprise visit!
Comment by Will in Chicago on 09/26/2008 20:37:17
On Nova M Radio, Jeff Farias will have a special show during the debate and afterwards. I will be tuning in and watching closely.
If Palin resigns as the VP candidate, I think that Obama and Biden should demand to debate with a new pick. The problem I see for McCain is that they would be hard pressed to pick someone like Palin who would satisfy the evangelical Republicans and be a media sensation. I think we should remember Chris Matthews' phrase of Razzle Dazzle but let's remember that McCain is a Flim-Flam Man.
McCain is not embracing change! Here is what he is embracing!!
McCain and Bush may be embracing each other, but it is the rest of us who are getting screwed.
Will in Chicago on 09/26/2008 20:37:17
Quote by Raine:
I am painting my obama sigh for the debate tonite!!!
WE are bringing the laptop and going to a friends house for a debate party. And yes, we are staying the nite...
On Nova M Radio, Jeff Farias will have a special show during the debate and afterwards. I will be tuning in and watching closely.
If Palin resigns as the VP candidate, I think that Obama and Biden should demand to debate with a new pick. The problem I see for McCain is that they would be hard pressed to pick someone like Palin who would satisfy the evangelical Republicans and be a media sensation. I think we should remember Chris Matthews' phrase of Razzle Dazzle but let's remember that McCain is a Flim-Flam Man.
McCain is not embracing change! Here is what he is embracing!!
McCain and Bush may be embracing each other, but it is the rest of us who are getting screwed.
Comment by Raine on 09/26/2008 20:51:32
I think you will see the rumor come to fruition.
Between her debate preps and her *gifts* (25K as alaskan Goc...) and a few other things... yeah... I think it is going to happen.
McCain delaying tonites debate was his last hail Sarah.
Raine on 09/26/2008 20:51:32
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by AuntAzalea:
hey all. rumor alert! rumor alert!
Sarah will have some sort of "family emergency" and need to step down. VP debate canceled while a new Republican VP is found.
Seems they had a mock debate and the results were "disastrous". That was the word used by her handlers!!
I like this rumor, I like it a lot. I want to take it home and plant it, water it, give it plenty of sun and compost and watch it grow and grow!
Between her debate preps and her *gifts* (25K as alaskan Goc...) and a few other things... yeah... I think it is going to happen.
McCain delaying tonites debate was his last hail Sarah.
Comment by Raine on 09/26/2008 20:55:56
Awesome!!!
Raine on 09/26/2008 20:55:56
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Random:
The official Wonkette drinking game
:rofl:
Awesome!!!
Comment by Raine on 09/26/2008 21:07:39
Raine on 09/26/2008 21:07:39
Uh Oh.... Palin Lost Kathleen Parker from NRO....
[...]
Yes, she recently met and turned several heads of state as the United Nations General Assembly convened in New York. She was gracious, charming and disarming. Men swooned. Pakistan’s president wanted to hug her. (Perhaps Osama bin Laden is dying to meet her?)
And, yes, she has common sense, something we value. And she’s had executive experience as a mayor and a governor, though of relatively small constituencies (about 6,000 and 680,000, respectively).
Finally, Palin’s narrative is fun, inspiring and all-American in that frontier way we seem to admire. When Palin first emerged as John McCain’s running mate, I confess I was delighted. She was the antithesis and nemesis of the hirsute, Birkenstock-wearing sisterhood — a refreshing feminist of a different order who personified the modern successful working mother.
Palin didn’t make a mess cracking the glass ceiling. She simply glided through it.
It was fun while it lasted.
Palin’s recent interviews with Charles Gibson, Sean Hannity, and now Katie Couric have all revealed an attractive, earnest, confident candidate. Who Is Clearly Out Of Her League.
No one hates saying that more than I do. Like so many women, I’ve been pulling for Palin, wishing her the best, hoping she will perform brilliantly. I’ve also noticed that I watch her interviews with the held breath of an anxious parent, my finger poised over the mute button in case it gets too painful. Unfortunately, it often does. My cringe reflex is exhausted.
Palin filibusters. She repeats words, filling space with deadwood. Cut the verbiage and there’s not much content there. Here’s but one example of many from her interview with Hannity: “Well, there is a danger in allowing some obsessive partisanship to get into the issue that we’re talking about today. And that’s something that John McCain, too, his track record, proving that he can work both sides of the aisle, he can surpass the partisanship that must be surpassed to deal with an issue like this.”
When Couric pointed to polls showing that the financial crisis had boosted Obama’s numbers, Palin blustered wordily: “I’m not looking at poll numbers. What I think Americans at the end of the day are going to be able to go back and look at track records and see who’s more apt to be talking about solutions and wishing for and hoping for solutions for some opportunity to change, and who’s actually done it?”
If BS were currency, Palin could bail out Wall Street herself.
If Palin were a man, we’d all be guffawing, just as we do every time Joe Biden tickles the back of his throat with his toes. But because she’s a woman — and the first ever on a Republican presidential ticket — we are reluctant to say what is painfully true.
What to do?
McCain can’t repudiate his choice for running mate. He not only risks the wrath of the GOP’s unforgiving base, but he invites others to second-guess his executive decision-making ability. Barack Obama faces the same problem with Biden.
Only Palin can save McCain, her party, and the country she loves. She can bow out for personal reasons, perhaps because she wants to spend more time with her newborn. No one would criticize a mother who puts her family first.
Do it for your country.
================================================
:thud: THAT --- my ---- friends is straight talk.... :clap:
[...]
Yes, she recently met and turned several heads of state as the United Nations General Assembly convened in New York. She was gracious, charming and disarming. Men swooned. Pakistan’s president wanted to hug her. (Perhaps Osama bin Laden is dying to meet her?)
And, yes, she has common sense, something we value. And she’s had executive experience as a mayor and a governor, though of relatively small constituencies (about 6,000 and 680,000, respectively).
Finally, Palin’s narrative is fun, inspiring and all-American in that frontier way we seem to admire. When Palin first emerged as John McCain’s running mate, I confess I was delighted. She was the antithesis and nemesis of the hirsute, Birkenstock-wearing sisterhood — a refreshing feminist of a different order who personified the modern successful working mother.
Palin didn’t make a mess cracking the glass ceiling. She simply glided through it.
It was fun while it lasted.
Palin’s recent interviews with Charles Gibson, Sean Hannity, and now Katie Couric have all revealed an attractive, earnest, confident candidate. Who Is Clearly Out Of Her League.
No one hates saying that more than I do. Like so many women, I’ve been pulling for Palin, wishing her the best, hoping she will perform brilliantly. I’ve also noticed that I watch her interviews with the held breath of an anxious parent, my finger poised over the mute button in case it gets too painful. Unfortunately, it often does. My cringe reflex is exhausted.
Palin filibusters. She repeats words, filling space with deadwood. Cut the verbiage and there’s not much content there. Here’s but one example of many from her interview with Hannity: “Well, there is a danger in allowing some obsessive partisanship to get into the issue that we’re talking about today. And that’s something that John McCain, too, his track record, proving that he can work both sides of the aisle, he can surpass the partisanship that must be surpassed to deal with an issue like this.”
When Couric pointed to polls showing that the financial crisis had boosted Obama’s numbers, Palin blustered wordily: “I’m not looking at poll numbers. What I think Americans at the end of the day are going to be able to go back and look at track records and see who’s more apt to be talking about solutions and wishing for and hoping for solutions for some opportunity to change, and who’s actually done it?”
If BS were currency, Palin could bail out Wall Street herself.
If Palin were a man, we’d all be guffawing, just as we do every time Joe Biden tickles the back of his throat with his toes. But because she’s a woman — and the first ever on a Republican presidential ticket — we are reluctant to say what is painfully true.
What to do?
McCain can’t repudiate his choice for running mate. He not only risks the wrath of the GOP’s unforgiving base, but he invites others to second-guess his executive decision-making ability. Barack Obama faces the same problem with Biden.
Only Palin can save McCain, her party, and the country she loves. She can bow out for personal reasons, perhaps because she wants to spend more time with her newborn. No one would criticize a mother who puts her family first.
Do it for your country.
================================================
:thud: THAT --- my ---- friends is straight talk.... :clap:
Comment by BobR on 09/26/2008 21:45:36
BobR on 09/26/2008 21:45:36
Palin didn't crack the glass ceiling. McCain lowered her a rope and pulled her up through it.
McCAIN!!! LET GO OF THE ROPE!!!
McCAIN!!! LET GO OF THE ROPE!!!
Comment by livingonli on 09/26/2008 21:46:56
Someone posted on the SMS Blog today the same rumor. I need to find the source of it myself. But if those interviews are any indication, someone in the GOP must be smacking their heads over why they decided to pull this woman. At least Kay Bailey Hutchinson might have made some sense but I guess she's not enough of a wacko.
livingonli on 09/26/2008 21:46:56
Quote by Raine:I think you will see the rumor come to fruition.Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by AuntAzalea:
hey all. rumor alert! rumor alert!
Sarah will have some sort of "family emergency" and need to step down. VP debate canceled while a new Republican VP is found.
Seems they had a mock debate and the results were "disastrous". That was the word used by her handlers!!
I like this rumor, I like it a lot. I want to take it home and plant it, water it, give it plenty of sun and compost and watch it grow and grow!
Between her debate preps and her *gifts* (25K as alaskan Goc...) and a few other things... yeah... I think it is going to happen.
McCain delaying tonites debate was his last hail Sarah.
Someone posted on the SMS Blog today the same rumor. I need to find the source of it myself. But if those interviews are any indication, someone in the GOP must be smacking their heads over why they decided to pull this woman. At least Kay Bailey Hutchinson might have made some sense but I guess she's not enough of a wacko.
Comment by Random on 09/26/2008 21:59:46
The only problem is, the reason he picked Palin was for a cynical ploy for white women voters. He's not gonna drop her, cause nothing will turn off those puma assholes more than McCain dropping Palin. See, Obama didn't pick Hillary, but that's not as bad as say...picking a woman until she was inconvenient then dropping her.
That aside, if his numbers with women voters plummets, he may pick Romney.
Random on 09/26/2008 21:59:46
Quote by livingonli:Quote by Raine:I think you will see the rumor come to fruition.Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by AuntAzalea:
hey all. rumor alert! rumor alert!
Sarah will have some sort of "family emergency" and need to step down. VP debate canceled while a new Republican VP is found.
Seems they had a mock debate and the results were "disastrous". That was the word used by her handlers!!
I like this rumor, I like it a lot. I want to take it home and plant it, water it, give it plenty of sun and compost and watch it grow and grow!
Between her debate preps and her *gifts* (25K as alaskan Goc...) and a few other things... yeah... I think it is going to happen.
McCain delaying tonites debate was his last hail Sarah.
Someone posted on the SMS Blog today the same rumor. I need to find the source of it myself. But if those interviews are any indication, someone in the GOP must be smacking their heads over why they decided to pull this woman. At least Kay Bailey Hutchinson might have made some sense but I guess she's not enough of a wacko.
The only problem is, the reason he picked Palin was for a cynical ploy for white women voters. He's not gonna drop her, cause nothing will turn off those puma assholes more than McCain dropping Palin. See, Obama didn't pick Hillary, but that's not as bad as say...picking a woman until she was inconvenient then dropping her.
That aside, if his numbers with women voters plummets, he may pick Romney.
Comment by velveeta jones on 09/26/2008 21:59:56
Sorry we just got home. There is no link to my knowledge, though there may be one now. Info was heard driving in the car and listening to Ed Shultz. Ed, as ya'll may know, likes to play "bigshot" and said that he "heard this from my reliable sources". Take that however you want. Occasionally, he is correct!
velveeta jones on 09/26/2008 21:59:56
Quote by Random:Quote by AuntAzalea:
hey all. rumor alert! rumor alert!
Sarah will have some sort of "family emergency" and need to step down. VP debate canceled while a new Republican VP is found.
Seems they had a mock debate and the results were "disastrous". That was the word used by her handlers!!
LINK!
LINK!
(seems everytime i tried to type LINK! it went KINK!...Is my subconscious trying to say something?)
Sorry we just got home. There is no link to my knowledge, though there may be one now. Info was heard driving in the car and listening to Ed Shultz. Ed, as ya'll may know, likes to play "bigshot" and said that he "heard this from my reliable sources". Take that however you want. Occasionally, he is correct!
Comment by Shane-O on 09/26/2008 22:06:19
Shane-O on 09/26/2008 22:06:19
Are we going to do a debate bloggie/thread tonight?
Comment by livingonli on 09/26/2008 22:07:54
I think they picked her more because of the lack of enthusiasm amongst the Fundie base which wasn't too fond of McCain. And they were hoping that PUMAs were stupid enough to not notice her reactionary politics and just knee-jerk support her because she's a woman.
livingonli on 09/26/2008 22:07:54
Quote by Random:Quote by livingonli:Quote by Raine:I think you will see the rumor come to fruition.Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by AuntAzalea:
hey all. rumor alert! rumor alert!
Sarah will have some sort of "family emergency" and need to step down. VP debate canceled while a new Republican VP is found.
Seems they had a mock debate and the results were "disastrous". That was the word used by her handlers!!
I like this rumor, I like it a lot. I want to take it home and plant it, water it, give it plenty of sun and compost and watch it grow and grow!
Between her debate preps and her *gifts* (25K as alaskan Goc...) and a few other things... yeah... I think it is going to happen.
McCain delaying tonites debate was his last hail Sarah.
Someone posted on the SMS Blog today the same rumor. I need to find the source of it myself. But if those interviews are any indication, someone in the GOP must be smacking their heads over why they decided to pull this woman. At least Kay Bailey Hutchinson might have made some sense but I guess she's not enough of a wacko.
The only problem is, the reason he picked Palin was for a cynical ploy for white women voters. He's not gonna drop her, cause nothing will turn off those puma assholes more than McCain dropping Palin. See, Obama didn't pick Hillary, but that's not as bad as say...picking a woman until she was inconvenient then dropping her.
That aside, if his numbers with women voters plummets, he may pick Romney.
I think they picked her more because of the lack of enthusiasm amongst the Fundie base which wasn't too fond of McCain. And they were hoping that PUMAs were stupid enough to not notice her reactionary politics and just knee-jerk support her because she's a woman.
Comment by velveeta jones on 09/26/2008 22:11:27
Oh, Velveeta will be a sight tonight! 'Jammies on, laptop on lap, popcorn on my right, Maine Root Brew on my left, soft objects to throw at the TV machine at my feet, cat next to me on the chair! Yelling and screaming while blogging and watching! Lets just hope I don't spew in the middle of it all!
velveeta jones on 09/26/2008 22:11:27
Quote by Shane-O:
Are we going to do a debate bloggie/thread tonight?
Oh, Velveeta will be a sight tonight! 'Jammies on, laptop on lap, popcorn on my right, Maine Root Brew on my left, soft objects to throw at the TV machine at my feet, cat next to me on the chair! Yelling and screaming while blogging and watching! Lets just hope I don't spew in the middle of it all!
Comment by Raine on 09/26/2008 22:12:45
Raine on 09/26/2008 22:12:45
General request... if there is no *debate* blog set up by say, 8 pm... could someone please do so?
Comment by velveeta jones on 09/26/2008 22:15:10
Done!!! :p
(I am SO ready to go for this night! Can ya tell?)
velveeta jones on 09/26/2008 22:15:10
Quote by Raine:
General request... if there is no *debate* blog set up by say, 8 pm... could someone please do so?
Done!!! :p
(I am SO ready to go for this night! Can ya tell?)
Comment by Random on 09/26/2008 22:15:58
Well, since they..DID, only now slowly slipping away. She'll be dropped the moment she isn't drawing the crowds, or the women.
Random on 09/26/2008 22:15:58
Quote by livingonli:Quote by Random:
The only problem is, the reason he picked Palin was for a cynical ploy for white women voters. He's not gonna drop her, cause nothing will turn off those puma assholes more than McCain dropping Palin. See, Obama didn't pick Hillary, but that's not as bad as say...picking a woman until she was inconvenient then dropping her.
That aside, if his numbers with women voters plummets, he may pick Romney.
I think they picked her more because of the lack of enthusiasm amongst the Fundie base which wasn't too fond of McCain. And they were hoping that PUMAs were stupid enough to not notice her reactionary politics and just knee-jerk support her because she's a woman.
Well, since they..DID, only now slowly slipping away. She'll be dropped the moment she isn't drawing the crowds, or the women.
Comment by Raine on 09/26/2008 22:29:35
Raine on 09/26/2008 22:29:35
Did I just hear Jeff Say that Ghouliani is on the straight talk plane?
Comment by livingonli on 09/26/2008 22:56:07
9-11 9-11 9-11 POW POW POW
livingonli on 09/26/2008 22:56:07
Quote by Raine:
Did I just hear Jeff Say that Ghouliani is on the straight talk plane?
9-11 9-11 9-11 POW POW POW
Comment by Will in Chicago on 09/26/2008 23:06:37
I missed Jeff saying that but Randi mentioned that near the start of her show.
Will in Chicago on 09/26/2008 23:06:37
Quote by Raine:
Did I just hear Jeff Say that Ghouliani is on the straight talk plane?
I missed Jeff saying that but Randi mentioned that near the start of her show.