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Let the Sun Shine In
Author: BobR    Date: 11/07/2008 13:21:11

The past couple days have truly been amazing. As I've gone about my daily business (such as it is), the sun has seemed a little brighter, the air a little cleaner, the smiles on people's faces a little easier. There seems to be an overwhelming feeling of goodwill, not unlike that warm and fuzzy feeling you find around Christmastime.

This is what Democracy feels like, when the people speak and end up with the government they want (of the people, by the people, and for the people). Barack Obama is bring change to Washington, DC, and it already shows. He is opening the blinds and letting the sun shine in; he is opening the doors and letting us all see what he's doing.

Only two days after winning, he's created a couple websites that show how open he will be. First, is the Transition team website. It provides information on everything going on with the transition of power. It even includes an Org Chart for the Legislative branch, with the Constitution on top (lest we forget that that "damn piece of paper" is the source of all government).

More impressive is the website for the Office of the President-elect. Right there on the front page it says:
OPEN GOVERNMENT
It’s Your America: Share Your Ideas
The story of the campaign and this historic moment has been your story. Share your story and your ideas, and be part of bringing positive lasting change to this country.

There's not a lot of stuff there yet (hey - it's only been two days) but the infrastructure is there for disseminating information to the country... and putting a "suggestion box" where anyone in the country can submit their ideas for policy agenda is unprecedented.

I think this openness is a good sign of things to come. It contrasts so sharply with the closed-door privacy of the current administration, one can't help but be reminded that Bush & Co have been hiding stuff.

He will also be replacing the White House fleet of SUVs with pluggable hybrids. How cool is that? I wonder if he'll put the solar panels back on the roof of the White House (the panels put up by Jimmy Carter and taken down by Reagan)?

Along with the open-door policy and the general feelings of giddiness is the realization that Obama will be putting people into positions of power that are actually qualified. It's become a kind of guessing game here on this blog and elsewhere trying to decide who he would and could pick for key spots. There's the realization that we have an embarrassment of riches when it comes to qualified, smart, dedicated public servants.

Contrast that with the Bush Administration's picking of a horse trainer to head up FEMA. The contrast couldn't be clearer.

It will also be nice to have a president that understands and empathizes with the situation in which many Americans find themselves. Yesterday, Bush shed crocodile tears while discussing the transition effort. He actually said "In January, many Americans will be looking at losing their jobs and wondering where they're going to live. *smirk* I know just how they feel". Asshole.

There has been some grousing in right-wing circles that Obama "bought" this election. The reality is that millions and millions of average Americans bought the job for Obama. One need only look at the way he is inviting us all in to have a look at what he's doing and asking for our suggestions and our help to know that he realizes it too.

The sun is shining in America people... it's a brand new day.

 

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Comment by Mondobubba on 11/07/2008 13:23:38
Morning! First! Two days in a row!

Comment by wickedpam on 11/07/2008 13:34:24
Morning :hug:

Comment by Raine on 11/07/2008 13:35:06
third! :hug:

Comment by TriSec on 11/07/2008 13:37:26
Morning, comrades!



Ah, back to normal today. Listening to the KO podcast and readying for Momma.



I just had to ignore the news and chatter yesterday and listen to music.



Because I could again.





I'm really impressed by what I'm hearing from both sides in the early going, that there has to be renewed bi-partisanship in order to move things forward. (Well, except for the Boehner).



P-E Obama has done more than clear the air and "shine the light of truth on that nest of vipers"...it really feels like a tremendous dead weight has been lifted from America's chest. (Giles Corey, anyone? )





Comment by Mondobubba on 11/07/2008 13:44:37
Quote by TriSec:

Morning, comrades!



Ah, back to normal today. Listening to the KO podcast and readying for Momma.



I just had to ignore the news and chatter yesterday and listen to music.



Because I could again.





I'm really impressed by what I'm hearing from both sides in the early going, that there has to be renewed bi-partisanship in order to move things forward. (Well, except for the Boehner).



P-E Obama has done more than clear the air and "shine the light of truth on that nest of vipers"...it really feels like a tremendous dead weight has been lifted from America's chest. (Giles Corey, anyone? )







Tri you are nie onto obcessed by the death by pressing thing. Grim horrible punisment was the norn then. Personally, I am equally fascinated by breaking on the wheel.

Comment by Scoopster on 11/07/2008 13:49:28
Boehner.. feh!



I hope that sensible-sounding McMuffin guy challenges him for Minority Leader..



BTW I'm really glad this bullshit meme about black voters in CA is being destroyed. The failure of the No on Prop 8 campaign is entirely the fault of the apathy and laurel-resting of the campaign itself.

Comment by m-hadley on 11/07/2008 13:55:11
Mornin' Kids :coffee:

Happee Fridee - I am so glad that this week is over. Mondo - whacha doin' up so early??? BTB, I loved your call in, was it yesterday or the day before - I am all screwed up on my StephCast. I'll catch up and work it out this weekend. Have a great day everybodee :D

Cheers,

mfaye



:gobama:

Comment by TriSec on 11/07/2008 14:03:00
Quote by Mondobubba:



Tri you are nie onto obcessed by the death by pressing thing. Grim horrible punisment was the norn then. Personally, I am equally fascinated by breaking on the wheel.






Hmm, no love for the Brazen Bull?





Comment by Mondobubba on 11/07/2008 14:03:52




Quote by m-hadley:

Mornin' Kids :coffee:

Happee Fridee - I am so glad that this week is over. Mondo - whacha doin' up so early??? BTB, I loved your call in, was it yesterday or the day before - I am all screwed up on my StephCast. I'll catch up and work it out this weekend. Have a great day everybodee :D

Cheers,

mfaye



:gobama:




School, Faye, school. Database management. :wacko:

Comment by Scoopster on 11/07/2008 14:07:23
State of the Minnesota Senate vote...



It's a long diary, so here's the summary:



- At the moment, Coleman leads by 236 votes (.01%)

- Machine tallied votes are still being verified at the county level to correct errors made by fatigued poll workers and machine-rejected ballots (someone didn't mark the form correctly so they get hand-reviewed for voter intent)

- They haven't started counting provisional ballots, but absentee ballots are included in the current counts.



So we may still be a long way from the end of this, but it seems to be a very orderly process and I have a lot more faith in it than the whole punch card crap back in 2000.

Comment by wickedpam on 11/07/2008 14:08:02
Aawww - poor Chris :hug:

Comment by Raine on 11/07/2008 14:09:50
Quote by Scoopster:

BTW I'm really glad this bullshit meme about black voters in CA is being destroyed. The failure of the No on Prop 8 campaign is entirely the fault of the apathy and laurel-resting of the campaign itself.
That is a long read, but it does really dispell a lot.



Comment by m-hadley on 11/07/2008 14:11:27
I smell a promotion for loverly Rebekah :dance:

Cheers,

mfaye

Comment by m-hadley on 11/07/2008 14:11:57
Sorry didn't mean to post that comment twice :airhump:

Cheers,

mfaye

Comment by Raine on 11/07/2008 14:12:10
oooOOooo



Man it is pretty intense in the studio today.

Comment by wickedpam on 11/07/2008 14:14:09
But Chris if we treat our animals better doesn't it eventully become healthier for humans?

Comment by TriSec on 11/07/2008 14:17:30
Well then, I'm going to start a FaceCrack group myself.



"Expel Republicans from the Human Race!"



Who's with me?



:pirate:





Comment by BobR on 11/07/2008 14:26:42


Idiots. Universal HealthCare is unConstitutional? Since when? And what does that have to do with high crimes and misdemeanors?

Comment by Raine on 11/07/2008 14:26:43
Comment by BobR on 11/07/2008 14:27:19
Quote by TriSec:

Well then, I'm going to start a FaceCrack group myself.



"Expel Republicans from the Human Race!"



Who's with me?



:pirate:





sign me up!

Comment by BobR on 11/07/2008 14:28:37
Quote by wickedpam:

But Chris if we treat our animals better doesn't it eventully become healthier for humans?


Does it? Is there any scientific evidence that supports that premise?

Comment by Random on 11/07/2008 14:31:06
While I agree with Chris's general sentiment, that it's really fucked up to be giving chickens more rights than gays, i do have to disagree with voting against the bill.



A lot of people forget that human's are animals.

Comment by TriSec on 11/07/2008 14:32:55
Hmm....here in Mass, we passed Question 3, which shut down the dog-racing industry.



Chris is opposed to animal rights?



I know he's trying to compare and contrast to prop 8, but that's two different things. Maybe we need to play "grasping for straws" and try for a better comparison.



Besides, did the Muslim community flood the airwaves with ads about how pigs are unclean and don't deserve protection?



Comment by Scoopster on 11/07/2008 14:36:02
Quote by BobR:

Quote by TriSec:

Well then, I'm going to start a FaceCrack group myself.



"Expel Republicans from the Human Race!"



Who's with me?



:pirate:





sign me up!


Arrr! Make 'em walk the plank off the ship Homo Sapiens! :modbat:

Comment by wickedpam on 11/07/2008 14:37:34
Quote by BobR:

Quote by wickedpam:

But Chris if we treat our animals better doesn't it eventully become healthier for humans?


Does it? Is there any scientific evidence that supports that premise?




scientific? I don't know. It seems logical in my head - I mean take chickens since that seems to be common one thrown out there. From what I understand this poultry farms are rough places to be, crowded coops or pens, feed that has chemicals as additives, and in some cases things are very clean, and so on. wouldn't it be heatlier all around if we didn't do these things?



Comment by Raine on 11/07/2008 14:38:44
Quote by Random:

While I agree with Chris's general sentiment, that it's really fucked up to be giving chickens more rights than gays, i do have to disagree with voting against the bill.



A lot of people forget that human's are animals.


You put it into the words I haven't been able t find.

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/07/2008 14:39:15
Quote by TriSec:

Quote by Mondobubba:



Tri you are nie onto obcessed by the death by pressing thing. Grim horrible punisment was the norn then. Personally, I am equally fascinated by breaking on the wheel.






Hmm, no love for the Brazen Bull?







????

Comment by wickedpam on 11/07/2008 14:42:37
Speaking of Rachel anyone see her on Colbert last night?



It was just adorable.

Comment by Raine on 11/07/2008 14:44:12
You know, as much as I hate factory farming, I feel like the GLBT community was told yesterday to once again go and wait in line until it is there turn. I don't blame Chris for being as angry as he is.



How many times were women told to wait there turn for the right to vote while ALSO trying to remove Slavery? We got rid of Slavery Even before Women had the right to vote, and it is interesting beause the Suffragettes were actually mobilizing for aboltiton and well as temprance ---







Comment by Mondobubba on 11/07/2008 14:45:07






But Scoop, that wouldn't natural selection. That is forced selection, you are controling the population by activily seeking the members of a group that need to be culled and removed from the breeding pool. There is no competion to force selective pressure.

Comment by Scoopster on 11/07/2008 14:45:39
Quote by BobR:

Quote by wickedpam:

But Chris if we treat our animals better doesn't it eventully become healthier for humans?


Does it? Is there any scientific evidence that supports that premise?


If it's worth anything, my family's been getting free-range turkeys for Thanksgiving now for about 5 years and they sure taste better.



:sprint:

Comment by shelaghc on 11/07/2008 14:51:27
and so my service to the Obama campaign ends in ignominy.



I was kicked out of the field office yesterday........





Comment by Raine on 11/07/2008 14:51:54
Factory Farming makes fattier animals... the eggs from Factory Farming have less Omega I believe... plus the enviromental factor is pretty unhealthy for aminals as well as people.

Comment by Scoopster on 11/07/2008 14:51:58
Quote by shelaghc:

and so my service to the Obama campaign ends in ignominy.



I was kicked out of the field office yesterday........


:O

Comment by Raine on 11/07/2008 14:52:39
you were Kicked out?

Comment by wickedpam on 11/07/2008 14:53:01
Quote by Raine:

You know, as much as I hate factory farming, I feel like the GLBT community was told yesterday to once again go and wait in line until it is there turn. I don't blame Chris for being as angry as he is.



How many times were women told to wait there turn for the right to vote while ALSO trying to remove Slavery? We got rid of Slavery Even before Women had the right to vote, and it is interesting beause the Suffragettes were actually mobilizing for aboltiton and well as temprance ---











I couldn't agree more.



Comment by wickedpam on 11/07/2008 14:54:05
Quote by shelaghc:

and so my service to the Obama campaign ends in ignominy.



I was kicked out of the field office yesterday........







seriously?



Comment by Scoopster on 11/07/2008 14:54:13
Brit Hume stepping down from the Fux Gnus anchor desk



Aww damn.. who can they possibly get to look as frumpy.

Comment by BobR on 11/07/2008 14:58:10
Quote by wickedpam:





scientific? I don't know. It seems logical in my head - I mean take chickens since that seems to be common one thrown out there. From what I understand this poultry farms are rough places to be, crowded coops or pens, feed that has chemicals as additives, and in some cases things are very clean, and so on. wouldn't it be heatlier all around if we didn't do these things?



There's a difference between "clean and sanitary" and humane.

Comment by Scoopster on 11/07/2008 15:00:46
Comment by Raine on 11/07/2008 15:01:38
Bolivia wants to Kick out the DEA, says it encourtaged drug trafficking



Most interesting is that he said he will be providing evidence to President Elect Obama

Comment by BobR on 11/07/2008 15:01:54
Quote by Scoopster:

Brit Hume stepping down from the Fux Gnus anchor desk



Aww damn.. who can they possibly get to look as frumpy.


It's interesting that their female news anchors look like call girls and their male anchors look like Losers Day Parade contestants...

Comment by shelaghc on 11/07/2008 15:02:09
Quote by wickedpam:

Quote by shelaghc:

and so my service to the Obama campaign ends in ignominy.



I was kicked out of the field office yesterday........







seriously?





Seriously.



There was a thirteen-YO boy who'd been driving me nuts all week. On Monday, I loaned him my mini-DVD player when he was bored - for which he thanked me. Then on Tuesday, when I had parking lot duty, he came out with a full-fledged bullhorn and was pretending to be in charge, announcing fake crap to the drivers and people coming into and out of the lot and generally making a nuisance of himself. There was no one to rein him in - I had no idea where his mother was and he'd been helping / hanging around the field office for longer than me.



So much for thank yous for favors.



Yesterday I went to the field office to help clean the place out. I found a bag of Obama balloons which everyone started digging into immediately. One of the field organizers saw it and, before I could help myself too, took the bag and gave it to the Calvin guy in charge. Later I saw the bag and, when I was about to pick it up (I just wanted two of them), the 13YO grabbed the bag and said "You have to ask Mr. Calvin."



He then proceeded to play "keep away" with me - he's *way* taller than me - and I called him an asshole. I'd pretty much had it with the little jerk.



Someone (probably him) told Calvin who thanked me for all my help and told me to leave.



Comment by Scoopster on 11/07/2008 15:03:44
Comment by wickedpam on 11/07/2008 15:05:02
OMG - I truly dislike kids like that.

Comment by shelaghc on 11/07/2008 15:08:03
Quote by wickedpam:

OMG - I truly dislike kids like that.




I more dislike people who let kids like that get away with anything under the explanation of "they're just kids!"



Mind you, I shouldn't have let him get to me, but I really *had* had it with him.



Comment by Grumpymann on 11/07/2008 15:08:06
Hey folks.

Comment by Raine on 11/07/2008 15:12:36
Heya Grump!

Comment by Raine on 11/07/2008 15:15:13
Good news from the Georgia Senate Race!





On Thursday, Chambliss was 8,000 shy of 50% — this a.m. he’s 16,000 short



With all Fulton County precincts now having reported (at least on the web site of Secretary of State Karen Handel), Republican incumbent Saxby Chambliss’ chances of escaping a U.S. Senate runoff seem to have gotten smaller.



On Thursday morning, Chambliss was 8,198 votes shy of the 50-percent-plus-one mark he needs. This morning, the number has nearly doubled to 16,085. [...]



Comment by wickedpam on 11/07/2008 15:15:53
Hey Grump

Comment by Random on 11/07/2008 15:17:49
Quote by Raine:

Quote by Random:

While I agree with Chris's general sentiment, that it's really fucked up to be giving chickens more rights than gays, i do have to disagree with voting against the bill.



A lot of people forget that human's are animals.


You put it into the words I haven't been able t find.


Of course, my view of the animal rights movement is the same as the environmentalist movement.

Sure, it's the right thing, but cut the self-righteous B.S. from it, and just admit you're doing it for yourself.

Comment by TriSec on 11/07/2008 15:22:52




Reads more like the company is having trouble and was looking for the flimsiest excuse to cut back benefits.



The "legal in Mass" part is misleading. Your employer is not compelled to provide any contributions to your healthcare costs in this state. You are, however, required to have proof-of-insurance at tax time, otherwise you personally lose some exemptions.



Of course, you can cough up out-of-pocket for one of the crappy, expensive, limited coverage, high deductible plans offered by the Health Care Connector Board.





Comment by m-hadley on 11/07/2008 15:25:51
Quote by wickedpam:

Speaking of Rachel anyone see her on Colbert last night?



It was just adorable.




Mala,

I stayed up and caught Rachel on the Cobert Report - you are absolutely correct - she is adorable :D

Cheers,

mfaye



:hug: & :peace:



Comment by livingonli on 11/07/2008 15:33:22
Good morning everyone.



I got nuthin' this morning.

Comment by livingonli on 11/07/2008 15:34:39
Quote by Scoopster:

Quote by BobR:

Quote by TriSec:

Well then, I'm going to start a FaceCrack group myself.



"Expel Republicans from the Human Race!"



Who's with me?



:pirate:





sign me up!


Arrr! Make 'em walk the plank off the ship Homo Sapiens! :modbat:


Count me in, too.

Comment by shelaghc on 11/07/2008 15:36:51
I know Steph needs moolah to pay for her website and clothe the mooks, but is anyone else sick out of their minds of Jen Chapin's extended commercial?

Comment by Raine on 11/07/2008 15:38:06
Quote by m-hadley:

Quote by wickedpam:

Speaking of Rachel anyone see her on Colbert last night?



It was just adorable.




Mala,

I stayed up and caught Rachel on the Cobert Report - you are absolutely correct - she is adorable :D

Cheers,

mfaye



:hug: & :peace:

She's the QUEEN of Cable TV!!! :clap:



Comment by livingonli on 11/07/2008 15:38:34
Quote by shelaghc:

I know Steph needs moolah to pay for her website and the clothe the mooks, but is anyone else sick out of their minds of Jen Chapin's extended commercial?


I have actually started to miss the cheesy PSA's that used to fill that time.

Comment by starling310 on 11/07/2008 15:39:48
:: scans blog ::



Factory Farming is Evil, Evil, Evil.



Comment by Raine on 11/07/2008 15:40:03
:huh:

Comment by TriSec on 11/07/2008 15:42:02
Quote by shelaghc:

I know Steph needs moolah to pay for her website and clothe the mooks, but is anyone else sick out of their minds of Jen Chapin's extended commercial?




I'd agree with you, but I've had much fewer problems since I jammed pencils into my ears.



:thud:







Comment by starling310 on 11/07/2008 15:42:25
Quote by Raine:

:huh:




Is that for me?

Comment by livingonli on 11/07/2008 15:45:49
Will Sarah Palin be the new person in those old Dumb Dora jokes?

Comment by shelaghc on 11/07/2008 15:48:17
Quote by starling310:

:: scans blog ::



Factory Farming is Evil, Evil, Evil.





Seconded.



Someone needs to suggest to Chris that *real* food would be much less expensive for poor people - health-wise and wallet-wise - than meat from a factory farm, or really any meat at all.

Comment by Raine on 11/07/2008 15:49:10
Quote by starling310:

Quote by Raine:

:huh:




Is that for me?
Oh no... I was confused by what Failin Palin was talking about, and also, like certainly and the such.



Comment by Scoopster on 11/07/2008 15:52:26
Quote by Raine:

Good news from the Georgia Senate Race!





On Thursday, Chambliss was 8,000 shy of 50% — this a.m. he’s 16,000 short



With all Fulton County precincts now having reported (at least on the web site of Secretary of State Karen Handel), Republican incumbent Saxby Chambliss’ chances of escaping a U.S. Senate runoff seem to have gotten smaller.



On Thursday morning, Chambliss was 8,198 votes shy of the 50-percent-plus-one mark he needs. This morning, the number has nearly doubled to 16,085. [...]


GO MARTIN GO!

Comment by livingonli on 11/07/2008 15:56:48
Quote by Raine:

Quote by starling310:

Quote by Raine:

:huh:




Is that for me?
Oh no... I was confused by what Failin Palin was talking about, and also, like certainly and the such.



Which cartoon image best describes the operation of Sarah Palin's brain?



a) A hamster trapped in a spinning wheel

b ) A horse swatting flies with its tail.

c) A chorus of "Turkey in the Straw"

d) A lone brain cell screaming in agony.



You may add your own choices as well.

Comment by TriSec on 11/07/2008 15:57:12
Geez, I'm imagining the Bush briefings for Obama are going to go pretty quickly...





In the Oval Office...



Mr. President, what have we done towards recovering the economy in the past few weeks?



Senator, we ain't done shit. Next?



Sir, how about the Middle East?



Guns. Next?



Uh...alternative energies for the United States?



Buy more oil. Go on.



Sir, this briefing is very disheartening.



Well Barack-o, they said it was supposed to be brief, I'm doing mah best here.



...





Comment by shelaghc on 11/07/2008 16:02:01
I just realized. KO is going to need a slew of new segments now that McCain in the Membrane is done and Bushed will be going away.



I suppose he can always have a post-Bushed segment as President Obama ( ) discovers things in the woodwork.....





Comment by Random on 11/07/2008 16:03:02
Quote by shelaghc:

Quote by starling310:

:: scans blog ::



Factory Farming is Evil, Evil, Evil.





Seconded.



Someone needs to suggest to Chris that *real* food would be much less expensive for poor people - health-wise and wallet-wise - than meat from a factory farm, or really any meat at all.


define *real* food.

Because i hate to rain on anyone's "meat is bad" parade, but meat isn't bad. Over processed, steroid ridden, overly in bread meat is bad, not just meat. Meat is a part of a human diet. meat is the part of a lot of other animal's diets (yes, humans are animals, big shocker).

Comment by shelaghc on 11/07/2008 16:07:46
Quote by Random:

Quote by shelaghc:

Quote by starling310:

:: scans blog ::



Factory Farming is Evil, Evil, Evil.





Seconded.



Someone needs to suggest to Chris that *real* food would be much less expensive for poor people - health-wise and wallet-wise - than meat from a factory farm, or really any meat at all.


define *real* food.

Because i hate to rain on anyone's "meat is bad" parade, but meat isn't bad. Over processed, steroid ridden, overly in bread meat is bad, not just meat. Meat is a part of a human diet. meat is the part of a lot of other animal's diets (yes, humans are animals, big shocker).




Factory farming and the meat that comes from it are horrifyingly bad for the planet on the whole. But beyond that, the amount of money it ultimately costs to raise one cow for what is "harvested" (for lack of a better term) is obscene.



All the energy, food, water and waste that are either provided to or produced by a cow could be put to far better use to feed people with vegetable protein which doesn't pollute the planet and costs dramatically less.

Comment by wickedpam on 11/07/2008 16:08:33
I still get chills.

Comment by Random on 11/07/2008 16:16:20
Quote by shelaghc:

Quote by Random:

Quote by shelaghc:

Quote by starling310:

:: scans blog ::



Factory Farming is Evil, Evil, Evil.





Seconded.



Someone needs to suggest to Chris that *real* food would be much less expensive for poor people - health-wise and wallet-wise - than meat from a factory farm, or really any meat at all.


define *real* food.

Because i hate to rain on anyone's "meat is bad" parade, but meat isn't bad. Over processed, steroid ridden, overly in bread meat is bad, not just meat. Meat is a part of a human diet. meat is the part of a lot of other animal's diets (yes, humans are animals, big shocker).




Factory farming and the meat that comes from it are horrifyingly bad for the planet on the whole. But beyond that, the amount of money it ultimately costs to raise one cow for what is "harvested" (for lack of a better term) is obscene.



All the energy, food, water and waste that are either provided to or produced by a cow could be put to far better use to feed people with vegetable protein which doesn't pollute the planet and costs dramatically less.


well, ya know, i don't believe i came out on the side of factory farming? or did i miss the part where i ever used those words. No...reading over it, i don't see that i wrote that.

So forgive me being an asshole, and not mentioning that i'm against factory farming. That said, I still support meat as a source of food and energy. That's all i can say on the subject, because frankly, if i say anymore, I'll be much more of an asshole than i currently am, and i rather not be that.

Comment by starling310 on 11/07/2008 16:17:08
Quote by Random:

Quote by shelaghc:

Quote by starling310:

:: scans blog ::



Factory Farming is Evil, Evil, Evil.





Seconded.



Someone needs to suggest to Chris that *real* food would be much less expensive for poor people - health-wise and wallet-wise - than meat from a factory farm, or really any meat at all.


define *real* food.

Because i hate to rain on anyone's "meat is bad" parade, but meat isn't bad. Over processed, steroid ridden, overly in bread meat is bad, not just meat. Meat is a part of a human diet. meat is the part of a lot of other animal's diets (yes, humans are animals, big shocker).




Meat is part of a human diet because of learned behavior and habit. You can live without meat. We are animals, indeed. But, we have the luxury of choice and reasoning. We do not need to hunt animals to survive.



Comment by Scoopster on 11/07/2008 16:17:24
http://img.waffleimages.com/f5f00077ff3c7f9fd9044feba0b2310935b57051/iwantmeat.gif


Comment by starling310 on 11/07/2008 16:18:39
You're not an asshole Random. I know a lot of perfectly nice people who eat meat. They have not made the choice ( yet ) not to. Eating meat is a choice. It's not required for living.





Comment by livingonli on 11/07/2008 16:20:56
At this rate, when does Fox News finally stumble into a pool of its own sick?

Comment by shelaghc on 11/07/2008 16:21:52
Holy crap....

I know who Jim Quinn is!



He and his radio partner in the '80s were involved in a sexual harassment lawsuit because of nasty disgusting "jokes" they were making about the female newscaster at the same radio station!



Trying to call Steph about it now.

Comment by Raine on 11/07/2008 16:26:06
Brent Bozell, Norquist and Tony Perkins... the same people that helped DESTROY the brand know are still in charge? Until the GOP gets NEW leadership it will never change.

Comment by starling310 on 11/07/2008 16:28:45
Is Frangela coming over today?

Comment by starling310 on 11/07/2008 16:29:13
OH YAY!!! It is Fridays with Frangela!! :banana:

Comment by shelaghc on 11/07/2008 16:29:46
I'm on hold but if Frangela's on, I doubt I'll make it on.





Comment by TriSec on 11/07/2008 16:30:45
Oh, as long as we're on about annoying Momma Stream ads, how about this nightskin glop and how momma gets a facial when she sleeps?



I know, I know.



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Comment by Scoopster on 11/07/2008 16:33:17
It could be worse Tri.. she could get a Superman.



...



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Comment by wickedpam on 11/07/2008 16:35:36


Comment by Scoopster on 11/07/2008 16:36:56
http://imgshack.info/images/fnii1fplgso4gncpc8.jpg


Comment by Raine on 11/07/2008 16:39:20
Thank you Frangela!!!







Comment by Scoopster on 11/07/2008 16:41:53
A little MMO humor for yas..



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Comment by Grumpymann on 11/07/2008 16:51:01
Stonewall 2.0?

Comment by Raine on 11/07/2008 16:52:30
Quote by Grumpymann:

Stonewall 2.0?
It's starting to feel that way.



Comment by livingonli on 11/07/2008 16:53:08


They are really big on denial. Yeah, move the Republican Party so far to the right that they will never get elected again.

Comment by Grumpymann on 11/07/2008 16:53:21
I think that the gay community is, understandably upset and I think there will be a reconning soon not in just in CA. but in this country.

Comment by wickedpam on 11/07/2008 16:57:25
why would he silence talk radio?



wow - sean - scrambly much?

Comment by Grumpymann on 11/07/2008 16:58:48
Quote by Raine:

Quote by Grumpymann:

Stonewall 2.0?
It's starting to feel that way.



I'm afraid, I want EVERYONE "Human" that is, to have rights.



I think this is becoming a Black/White issue.



The thing no one is mentioning is that the black people that vote are "Usually" "Church Going" people. Among them there is a LOT of homophobia. BUT blacks as a whole are very accepting of gays.



My family were very welcoming of my cousins gay friend to the point that he lived with our family foe about 2 years. His family not only tossed him out they stalked and beat him often. I myself stood toe to toe with his brother about this and I was 16 years old!



This needs to be talked about.

Comment by shelaghc on 11/07/2008 16:59:48
Shoot - I wish I'd remembered about Quinn sooner.





Comment by livingonli on 11/07/2008 17:00:41
Quote by wickedpam:

why would he silence talk radio?



wow - sean - scrambly much?


In other words, if there is any other voice in talk radio other than there's that's an attempt to silence them. Like with politics, right-wingers wanted permanent rule with only a muffled opposition.

Comment by m-hadley on 11/07/2008 17:03:23
Heads up 4Fers,

Tomorrow I have agreed to be kidnapped by my new grrrlfriend at 5:30 on a Saturday morning I have no idea what she is up to or where we are going... So if you don't hear from me tomorrow - don't be worried, but if you don't hear from me on Sunday - please call the authorities (although I'm not sure who that would be - certainly not the Oklahoma Highway Patrol or any local Sheriff's Dept in this State). Damn, just send word out on Facecrack and the 4F Blog - that should do it Happee Weekend everybody :nervous:

Cheers,

mfaye

:hug: & :peace:

Comment by wickedpam on 11/07/2008 17:04:27
aahhh

Comment by wickedpam on 11/07/2008 17:06:21
anyone know what time the press conference is?

Comment by clintster on 11/07/2008 17:23:07
"I don't read no gobbledegook, boyee!"

"Your head is stuck in a vase?"

"Loser townie guy."

"Chlamydia?"

"'Joe's Landscaping...' 'Yeah, I'd like to put a sprinkler system in the forest...'"

"Poor Lupita. She's only 8."



Just sayin'.

Comment by BobR on 11/07/2008 17:49:46
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Comment by TriSec on 11/07/2008 17:57:15
I would rather get poison ivy near my eye than have to hear about Ms. Chapin's stomach again.





Comment by TriSec on 11/07/2008 18:01:37
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Comment by Raine on 11/07/2008 18:02:16
Quote by Grumpymann:

Quote by Raine:

Quote by Grumpymann:

Stonewall 2.0?
It's starting to feel that way.



I'm afraid, I want EVERYONE "Human" that is, to have rights.



I think this is becoming a Black/White issue.



The thing no one is mentioning is that the black people that vote are "Usually" "Church Going" people. Among them there is a LOT of homophobia. BUT blacks as a whole are very accepting of gays.



My family were very welcoming of my cousins gay friend to the point that he lived with our family foe about 2 years. His family not only tossed him out they stalked and beat him often. I myself stood toe to toe with his brother about this and I was 16 years old!



This needs to be talked about.
Sorry I did not reply to this grump.



I have been wondering about this dicotomy... I know early on in his Campaign, Barack Obama actually spoke to the homophobia in the black churches in America.



I don't want blacks as a segment of our culture to be blamed for what happened in California, I don't think that is the correct Narrative, I believe that this might be a religious tolerance thing right now.



Oh, and I do believe the Mormon Church should be investigated for abusing thier tax free Status.



Comment by Raine on 11/07/2008 18:02:57
And I heard that PE Obama's press speach was supposed to be at 2:30.

Comment by TriSec on 11/07/2008 18:04:47
I imagine we can stream that from the Span or somewhere today?



(Hell, I bet that would be on the ordinary terrestrial radio...)





Comment by wickedpam on 11/07/2008 18:15:56
thanks

Comment by Scoopster on 11/07/2008 18:26:20
Joe Lieberman demands?! Are you kdding?!



BARBARA BOXER FOR MAJORITY LEADER NOW!!

Comment by Scoopster on 11/07/2008 18:30:01
My mistake - I thought Reid had given in to Joementum's wants.

Comment by TriSec on 11/07/2008 18:30:36
Hey, wait a minute.



This is going to be a real press conference!



No bizarre pronouncements, no talking down to, certainly none of that smirk that we can hear through the radio, and no MST3K treatment!!!



:thud:



My God, it is change we can believe in!



:party:





Comment by TriSec on 11/07/2008 18:33:56
Quote by Scoopster:

Joe Lieberman demands?! Are you kdding?!



BARBARA BOXER FOR MAJORITY LEADER NOW!!




Joe Lieberman's only demand should be "please tie a pillow to my ass before you kick it."



The answer should still be no.





http://www.cbc.ca/arts/images/pics/tong1.jpg


Here ya go, Joe!





Comment by livingonli on 11/07/2008 18:37:27
Quote by clintster:

"I don't read no gobbledegook, boyee!"

"Your head is stuck in a vase?"

"Loser townie guy."

"Chlamydia?"

"'Joe's Landscaping...' 'Yeah, I'd like to put a sprinkler system in the forest...'"

"Poor Lupita. She's only 8."



Just sayin'.


And don't forget. Rum is for dancing! Rum is for fun!



And I almost forgot the rum conga line.

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/07/2008 19:30:28
Quote by starling310:

Quote by Random:

Quote by shelaghc:

Quote by starling310:

:: scans blog ::



Factory Farming is Evil, Evil, Evil.





Seconded.



Someone needs to suggest to Chris that *real* food would be much less expensive for poor people - health-wise and wallet-wise - than meat from a factory farm, or really any meat at all.


define *real* food.

Because i hate to rain on anyone's "meat is bad" parade, but meat isn't bad. Over processed, steroid ridden, overly in bread meat is bad, not just meat. Meat is a part of a human diet. meat is the part of a lot of other animal's diets (yes, humans are animals, big shocker).




Meat is part of a human diet because of learned behavior and habit. You can live without meat. We are animals, indeed. But, we have the luxury of choice and reasoning. We do not need to hunt animals to survive.





Star, I hear the learned behavior/choice argument a lot. Evolution does not support this. Humans have all four kinds of mamillian teeth; molars, premolars, canines and inciscors. Our digesitve system has developed so that is strikes a balance between processing animal proteins and vegetable proteins. From a food budget standpoint animals are much better way to get and process protein quickly which is something that big thing in the human skull requires. To really assimilate all the nutrients and protein from plants require a huge amout of forage vis a vie animal protein.



As a vegetarian Star, you are well aware that about what types of things you eat so you make shure you get all the correct amino acids from your food sources. This is another little trick evolution has played. Humans can't get complete proteins from vegetables. This is why people who are extreme in their vegan/frutarian what have you diets suffer from protein deficiancies.



As for the arguement that CAFOs are more responsible for environment degredation that other types of agribusiness misses the point. Unless you are eating strictly locally grown organic farm products, no matter be your diet be omnivorous or vegan/vegetarian, you are using an agricultural system that from start to finish is overly reliant on fertilizers that produced by fixing nitrogen out of the air, pesticides and of course all kinds of large scale farming equipment that uses fossil fuels by the 55 gallon drum. Not to mention that those long supply chains have huge energy overheads.



So it is a dilema. If you haven't read it, I would recommend "The Omnivore's Dilema" it is a very interesting read.

Comment by TriSec on 11/07/2008 19:37:25
OK, almost 2:40.



How about a little punctuality, Mr. President-Elect?



:modbat:





Comment by shelaghc on 11/07/2008 19:50:25
Quote by TriSec:

OK, almost 2:40.



How about a little punctuality, Mr. President-Elect?



:modbat:







Possible Daily Show material?



The Obama presidency is going to be *very* rough on comedians. I just read an article that brought this up and stated it's going to be harder to make fun of the rethugs because it'll seem more mean-spirited to kick 'em now that they're down.



Comment by Raine on 11/07/2008 19:51:00
Quote by TriSec:

OK, almost 2:40.



How about a little punctuality, Mr. President-Elect?



:modbat:



That's it! I can't support this! I tried to come together in unity... but this is just unnaceptable!



Comment by TriSec on 11/07/2008 20:02:49
Oog, sound is atrocious on CNN; can't hear the questions!





Comment by shelaghc on 11/07/2008 20:05:38
Is it normal for him to know all their names so well right off the bat?







Comment by shelaghc on 11/07/2008 20:06:05
Quote by TriSec:

Oog, sound is atrocious on CNN; can't hear the questions!







Sound on MSNBC is great.





Comment by TriSec on 11/07/2008 20:12:11
Quote by shelaghc:

Is it normal for him to know all their names so well right off the bat?







I would imagine everyone has assigned seats and he's got a chart...





Comment by livingonli on 11/07/2008 20:14:17
Time to pick up stuff and then go to the salt mine.



I hate my job. I really need a change.

Comment by shelaghc on 11/07/2008 20:14:18
Quote by TriSec:

Quote by shelaghc:

Is it normal for him to know all their names so well right off the bat?







I would imagine everyone has assigned seats and he's got a chart...







Comment by shelaghc on 11/07/2008 20:15:23
Quote by livingonli:

Time to pick up stuff and then go to the salt mine.



I hate my job. I really need a change.




I need a change too - just having a job would be one.





Comment by Raine on 11/07/2008 20:18:46
Quote by Scoopster:

My mistake - I thought Reid had given in to Joementum's wants.
The thing that slays me is that Reidis still considering this? AND... he wants a secret vote among dems?



Are you effing kidding me?



Harry== SHOW SOME LEADERSHIP!!!



Comment by Raine on 11/07/2008 20:19:59
I Am telling you... the big guns are coming to Georgia, and we are gonna need all the help we can get to get Jim MArtin elected.

Comment by Raine on 11/07/2008 20:27:48
Senator Byrd Steps down from Appropriations committee:
Senate legend Robert Byrd, approaching 91 this month and hailing a “new day in Washington,” said he would voluntarily give up the chairmanship of the Senate Appropriations Committee with the new Congress.



“To everything there is a season and a time for every purpose under heaven,” said Byrd, who had fended off earlier challenges this past spring and summer.“Those Biblical words from Ecclesiastes 3:1 express my feelings about this particular time in my life.”



“I have been privileged to be a member of the Senate Appropriations Committee for 50 years and to have chaired the committee for ten years, during a time of enormous change in our great country, both culturally and politically. I have learned that nothing is quite so permanent as change. It is simply a part of living and should not be feared.“


Comment by Raine on 11/07/2008 20:29:32
you know, after watching his press conference, it just seems to me that PE Obama is really running this country now.

Comment by TriSec on 11/07/2008 20:38:53
He's been the acting President since his swing through Europe, IMHO.





Comment by Raine on 11/07/2008 21:11:37
A little while ago I heard on the News that the Auto industry is saying that the reason why they are looking for some help from the government is becusae they cannot get credit (CREDIT) in order to continue building cars.



Now, correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't that big bailout done to make more money available to lenders for companies that NEED to credit to keep production going?







Comment by Raine on 11/07/2008 21:43:28
This caller is making ill.

Comment by Raine on 11/07/2008 22:24:41
Video at the link.

MSNBC’s Mike Viqueira reported that Sen. Harry Reid has asked Sen. Joe Lieberman to step down as chairman of the Homeland Security and Gov’t Affairs Committee.



This video is from MSNBC’s News Live, broadcast November 7, 2008.
To which LIEberman replied "Unacceptable" ...

Comment by BobR on 11/07/2008 22:43:19
Quote by Raine:

Video at the link.

To which LIEberman replied "Unacceptable" ...


Get the Flash Player to see this player.


Asshat.



LIEberman campaigning for Republicans is unacceptable

LIEberman campaigning for Republicans and then expecting to retain his chairmanship is ludicrous.



Maybe he should challenge Reid to a duel... :rolleyes2:

Comment by livingonli on 11/07/2008 22:53:21
Quote by BobR:

Quote by Raine:

Video at the link.

To which LIEberman replied "Unacceptable" ...


Get the Flash Player to see this player.


Asshat.



LIEberman campaigning for Republicans is unacceptable

LIEberman campaigning for Republicans and then expecting to retain his chairmanship is ludicrous.



Maybe he should challenge Reid to a duel... :rolleyes2:


I would just tell LIEberweasel to kiss my

Comment by BobR on 11/07/2008 22:56:18
Comment by Raine on 11/07/2008 23:42:22
Comment by livingonli on 11/07/2008 23:49:24


He really wants to finish destroying this country before he leaves office.



Here, Obama. I F**ked up the country. Good luck. :stupid giggle:

Comment by IzzyBitz on 11/08/2008 00:01:37
Chris Lavoie. Still an idiot. Go chickens!!



Saw Rachel on Colbert Report. She was GREAT! She and Mr. Colbert make good TV.

Comment by livingonli on 11/08/2008 00:32:09
Maybe we can have the chickens peck at the Prop 8 supporters?

Comment by IzzyBitz on 11/08/2008 00:47:25
The chickens can then move on to the religious tards.

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