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Ask a Vet - Christmas 2008
Author: TriSec
Date: 12/23/2008 11:27:11
Good Morning.
Today is our 2,106th day in Iraq.
We'll start this morning as we always do; with the latest casualty figures from the warron terra, courtesy of Antiwar.com:
Since war began (3/19/03): 4212
Since "Mission Accomplished" (5/1/03): 4073
Since Capture of Saddam (12/13/03): 3752
Since Handover (6/29/04): 3353
Since Election (1/31/05): 2774
Other Coalition Troops - Iraq: 316
US Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 629
Other Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 408
Contractor Deaths - Iraq: 445
We find this morning's Cost of War passing through:
$ 581, 975, 000, 000.00
So this is Christmas. As you'll note from the ticker at the top of the page, "President" Bush will leave office in just 28 days, perhaps the best Christmas present the nation ever got.
But what of the veterans?
The Good Dr. Maddow said it long ago now; the war in Iraq won't truly end until the last tortured veteran dies in his sleep in 2078 or so. I never served in my country's uniform, but I know plenty of people who have. (Perhaps strange here in uber-liberal, America-hatin' Gay-marryin' Massachusetts, but I digress.)
As the veterans come back, they are changed men and women. Some can recover and return to a semblance of the life they had "before Iraq", but some never do. Here is one of their stories.
There is a story, from the dark days of WWII. It may be apocryphal; it may not be. In any case, I've read about it in several books. One Christmas, perhaps in 1944, at a long-forgotten POW camp deep in Germany, American GIs decided to have a Christmas service. They did the best they could with the meager supplies and Red Cross packages, and ended the service by singing "Silent Night". According to the legend, the Americans were astonished when the Germans guarding them put down their weapons and joined in singing with them. For a brief moment, friend and foe alike were missing their families together, wondering if they'd ever see home again.
So.....remember our troops, remember their families, and just for a moment, maybe we can allow ourselves to think of a better future for us all.
Silent night, holy night
All is calm, all is bright
Round yon Virgin Mother and Child
Holy Infant so tender and mild
Sleep in heavenly peace
Sleep in heavenly peace
Silent night, holy night!
Shepherds quake at the sight
Glories stream from heaven afar
Heavenly hosts sing Alleluia!
Christ, the Saviour is born
Christ, the Saviour is born
Silent night, holy night
Son of God, love's pure light
Radiant beams from Thy holy face
With the dawn of redeeming grace
Jesus, Lord, at Thy birth
Jesus, Lord, at Thy birth "
Today is our 2,106th day in Iraq.
We'll start this morning as we always do; with the latest casualty figures from the warron terra, courtesy of Antiwar.com:
Since war began (3/19/03): 4212
Since "Mission Accomplished" (5/1/03): 4073
Since Capture of Saddam (12/13/03): 3752
Since Handover (6/29/04): 3353
Since Election (1/31/05): 2774
Other Coalition Troops - Iraq: 316
US Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 629
Other Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 408
Contractor Deaths - Iraq: 445
We find this morning's Cost of War passing through:
So this is Christmas. As you'll note from the ticker at the top of the page, "President" Bush will leave office in just 28 days, perhaps the best Christmas present the nation ever got.
But what of the veterans?
The Good Dr. Maddow said it long ago now; the war in Iraq won't truly end until the last tortured veteran dies in his sleep in 2078 or so. I never served in my country's uniform, but I know plenty of people who have. (Perhaps strange here in uber-liberal, America-hatin' Gay-marryin' Massachusetts, but I digress.)
As the veterans come back, they are changed men and women. Some can recover and return to a semblance of the life they had "before Iraq", but some never do. Here is one of their stories.
TEMECULA, Calif. - When Army Sergeant Ryan Kahlor returned from two combat tours in Iraq last year, he was a walking billboard for virtually every affliction suffered by today's veterans. He had a detached retina, a ruptured disk, vertigo, headaches, memory lapses, and numbness in his arms. Fluid seeped from his ears.
He was diagnosed with post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) and traumatic brain injury. He was violent and suicidal. He carried a loaded handgun everywhere. He drank until he passed out. He cut himself. He burned his skin with cigarettes. He bit through his tongue just to watch himself bleed.
Kahlor, 24, admits he came back not caring about anyone - the military, his friends, his family, or himself. But, pushed hard by his parents, he slowly accepted and then embraced counseling and treatment. Today, he has begun to recover.
His parents are still trying.
The Kahlors - a college employee and a nurse - have fought through a series of transformations unfamiliar to most military families.
Tim Kahlor says he and his wife, Laura, have been left with what he calls, only half in jest, "secondary PTSD." He says his doctor prescribed antidepressants to help him cope with his son's ordeal. And both parents, haunted by their son's physical and emotional breakdown, are fiercely opposed to the war.
Tim Kahlor, 50, who had felt a patriotic surge after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, turned against the war after Ryan complained during his first tour about ineffective body armor and poorly armored vehicles. Laura Kahlor, 53, blames the war for her son's psychological and physical torment. Although she is now grateful for the treatment he belatedly received, she - like her husband - wishes they had never let Ryan enlist.
They are still bitter over the several months that their son drifted while they pleaded with both Ryan and the military for effective PTSD treatment. Ryan survived several roadside bomb attacks in Iraq but was traumatized by the violence he saw.
"I was so naive. I was this kid from the Bible Belt who thought our country would take care of our soldiers," Tim Kahlor said. "I have guilt for helping him get into this."
A year after the terrorists struck America, Tim Kahlor drove Ryan, then 18, to the local Army recruiting office to sign up. Although the Kahlors would have preferred that Ryan attend college, they were proud of his determination to serve his country.
When Ryan wrote about equipment shortages, Tim telephoned and wrote to the Pentagon and Congress. Laura sent Ryan a hand-held GPS device after he complained that military devices kept failing.
Tim Kahlor joined Military Families Speak Out, a group opposed to the Iraq war. He marched in protests behind caskets, lined up boots outside the Capitol to represent the war's dead. He put up a sign outside his home: "Support Our Troops - Let 'em Come Home."
Continued...
There is a story, from the dark days of WWII. It may be apocryphal; it may not be. In any case, I've read about it in several books. One Christmas, perhaps in 1944, at a long-forgotten POW camp deep in Germany, American GIs decided to have a Christmas service. They did the best they could with the meager supplies and Red Cross packages, and ended the service by singing "Silent Night". According to the legend, the Americans were astonished when the Germans guarding them put down their weapons and joined in singing with them. For a brief moment, friend and foe alike were missing their families together, wondering if they'd ever see home again.
So.....remember our troops, remember their families, and just for a moment, maybe we can allow ourselves to think of a better future for us all.
Silent night, holy night
All is calm, all is bright
Round yon Virgin Mother and Child
Holy Infant so tender and mild
Sleep in heavenly peace
Sleep in heavenly peace
Silent night, holy night!
Shepherds quake at the sight
Glories stream from heaven afar
Heavenly hosts sing Alleluia!
Christ, the Saviour is born
Christ, the Saviour is born
Silent night, holy night
Son of God, love's pure light
Radiant beams from Thy holy face
With the dawn of redeeming grace
Jesus, Lord, at Thy birth
Jesus, Lord, at Thy birth "
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Comment by 
m-hadley on 12/23/2008 12:38:44
m-hadley on 12/23/2008 12:38:44
Heya Gang,
I am sending this greeting from my Dad's basement computer (dial-up, arghhh).
I'll try to find a wifi connection, but don't know if they have such things in Rural Indiana... Anyway, hope that you all are staying warm and healthy - have very happy and relaxing holidaze
& :dance:
Cheers,
mfaye
I am sending this greeting from my Dad's basement computer (dial-up, arghhh).
I'll try to find a wifi connection, but don't know if they have such things in Rural Indiana... Anyway, hope that you all are staying warm and healthy - have very happy and relaxing holidaze
& :dance:Cheers,
mfaye
Comment by 
Mondobubba on 12/23/2008 13:38:26
Mondobubba on 12/23/2008 13:38:26
Comment by 
wickedpam on 12/23/2008 14:06:48
wickedpam on 12/23/2008 14:06:48
Morning :hug:
Comment by 
Scoopster on 12/23/2008 14:25:53
Scoopster on 12/23/2008 14:25:53
Morning all! 
The next couple days look to be insanely busy with the holiday coming up and the year end a week away. Please forgive me if I'm a bit scarce around these parts!
Excellent opening today Tri.
The next couple days look to be insanely busy with the holiday coming up and the year end a week away. Please forgive me if I'm a bit scarce around these parts!Excellent opening today Tri.
Comment by 
TriSec on 12/23/2008 14:40:29
TriSec on 12/23/2008 14:40:29
Now Playing: "A Concert of Sacred Music" - Duke Ellington.
To be followed by the "Second Sacred Concert".
Both holiday staples in these parts, thanks to Eric Jackson of WGBH Radio.
To be followed by the "Second Sacred Concert".
Both holiday staples in these parts, thanks to Eric Jackson of WGBH Radio.
Comment by wickedpam on 12/23/2008 14:52:39
wickedpam on 12/23/2008 14:52:39
The inaguration is going to be a good economic boost for DC, MD and VA. I know its going to be a good boost for our business, we already have winerys planning and marketing for this
Comment by 
Random on 12/23/2008 14:59:55
Random on 12/23/2008 14:59:55
Random's Opinion on Warren.
The guys a bigoted asshole who's done a few good things.
And to ignore the guy because he's a bigoted asshole will ignore the good things he's done.
The guys a bigoted asshole who's done a few good things.
And to ignore the guy because he's a bigoted asshole will ignore the good things he's done.
Comment by 
Raine on 12/23/2008 15:07:52
Raine on 12/23/2008 15:07:52
Good morning.
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/23/2008 15:12:01
I agree in principle with what you are saying here, Random. However, if the good things are outweighed by his bigoted assholeishness then you can ignore him and the good things he did. Let me jump right to the comparison with Hitler to get to the end of the argument quickly. Yeah Hitler came up with the autobahn, which is a great highway idea; but the genocide and destructive war cancel the autobahn out.
Mondobubba on 12/23/2008 15:12:01
Quote by Random:
Random's Opinion on Warren.
The guys a bigoted asshole who's done a few good things.
And to ignore the guy because he's a bigoted asshole will ignore the good things he's done.
I agree in principle with what you are saying here, Random. However, if the good things are outweighed by his bigoted assholeishness then you can ignore him and the good things he did. Let me jump right to the comparison with Hitler to get to the end of the argument quickly. Yeah Hitler came up with the autobahn, which is a great highway idea; but the genocide and destructive war cancel the autobahn out.
Comment by Random on 12/23/2008 15:18:59
but Warren isn't hitler. Warren isn't trying to kill all the Gays. All Warren did was be an asshole and say shitty things about Gays. And in my mind, being an asshole, and saying shitty things doesn't outweight the good things he does.
Doesn't mean i've got to like the asshole, but i can acknowledge what he's done.
Random on 12/23/2008 15:18:59
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Random:
Random's Opinion on Warren.
The guys a bigoted asshole who's done a few good things.
And to ignore the guy because he's a bigoted asshole will ignore the good things he's done.
I agree in principle with what you are saying here, Random. However, if the good things are outweighed by his bigoted assholeishness then you can ignore him and the good things he did. Let me jump right to the comparison with Hitler to get to the end of the argument quickly. Yeah Hitler came up with the autobahn, which is a great highway idea; but the genocide and destructive war cancel the autobahn out.
but Warren isn't hitler. Warren isn't trying to kill all the Gays. All Warren did was be an asshole and say shitty things about Gays. And in my mind, being an asshole, and saying shitty things doesn't outweight the good things he does.
Doesn't mean i've got to like the asshole, but i can acknowledge what he's done.
Comment by 
BobR on 12/23/2008 15:23:35
BobR on 12/23/2008 15:23:35
morning folks... :coffee:
Excellent blog, Tri - btw, I normally don't edit other people's blogs unless asked, but I decided to move the location of the fold so it didn't take up so much space on the front page... hope you don't mind.
Excellent blog, Tri - btw, I normally don't edit other people's blogs unless asked, but I decided to move the location of the fold so it didn't take up so much space on the front page... hope you don't mind.
Comment by Raine on 12/23/2008 15:27:06
Raine on 12/23/2008 15:27:06
If Rick Warren had his way, he would oppress a certain class of people. These are the lesson of the past that we must not let happen. No he is not Hitler... he is, however -- an oppressor.
Comment by BobR on 12/23/2008 15:30:04
To take Mondo's view to less extremes:
Warren may have done a few good things, but that doesn't excuse him being a bigoted asshole.
His being in a position of authority and power amplifies his negatives, because his followers will take those positions and make them their own.
BobR on 12/23/2008 15:30:04
Quote by Random:
Random's Opinion on Warren.
The guys a bigoted asshole who's done a few good things.
And to ignore the guy because he's a bigoted asshole will ignore the good things he's done.
To take Mondo's view to less extremes:
Warren may have done a few good things, but that doesn't excuse him being a bigoted asshole.
His being in a position of authority and power amplifies his negatives, because his followers will take those positions and make them their own.
Comment by Random on 12/23/2008 15:35:20
And so we are going to out on trial people for what they want to do? He's an asshole, I'm giving you that, but all he has done is be a vocal asshole. If all it takes is to be a vocal asshole about a group of people to get them thrown out, despite the good they've done, then i'll propose right now that everyone here stop looking towards this countries constitution. Because the majority of the founding father's, Jefferson, Madison, were slave owners, which we can all agree is a despicable act, one that haunts this nation to this day. At what point does the good out way the bad? Jefferson wrote the declration of independence, We was a scholor, he cheated the French out of land, but does that really outweigh the fact that he owned slaves?
And does that really mean that a vocal asshole is tied to that, despite his works in helping people?
Random on 12/23/2008 15:35:20
Quote by Raine:
If Rick Warren had his way, he would oppress a certain class of people. These are the lesson of the past that we must not let happen. No he is not Hitler... he is, however -- an oppressor.
And so we are going to out on trial people for what they want to do? He's an asshole, I'm giving you that, but all he has done is be a vocal asshole. If all it takes is to be a vocal asshole about a group of people to get them thrown out, despite the good they've done, then i'll propose right now that everyone here stop looking towards this countries constitution. Because the majority of the founding father's, Jefferson, Madison, were slave owners, which we can all agree is a despicable act, one that haunts this nation to this day. At what point does the good out way the bad? Jefferson wrote the declration of independence, We was a scholor, he cheated the French out of land, but does that really outweigh the fact that he owned slaves?
And does that really mean that a vocal asshole is tied to that, despite his works in helping people?
Comment by 
starling310 on 12/23/2008 15:35:44
Speaking of MD and VA....Uuummm....my friends and I drove 8 hours to Richmond on Saturday to see our friends Closing Night and it was FREEZING!!!! What gives!?!?
starling310 on 12/23/2008 15:35:44
Quote by wickedpam:
The inaguration is going to be a good economic boost for DC, MD and VA. I know its going to be a good boost for our business, we already have winerys planning and marketing for this
Speaking of MD and VA....Uuummm....my friends and I drove 8 hours to Richmond on Saturday to see our friends Closing Night and it was FREEZING!!!! What gives!?!?
Comment by Random on 12/23/2008 15:36:49
So his negatives are inhanced, but his postives aren't?
Random on 12/23/2008 15:36:49
Quote by BobR:Quote by Random:
Random's Opinion on Warren.
The guys a bigoted asshole who's done a few good things.
And to ignore the guy because he's a bigoted asshole will ignore the good things he's done.
To take Mondo's view to less extremes:
Warren may have done a few good things, but that doesn't excuse him being a bigoted asshole.
His being in a position of authority and power amplifies his negatives, because his followers will take those positions and make them their own.
So his negatives are inhanced, but his postives aren't?
Comment by BobR on 12/23/2008 15:38:22
BobR on 12/23/2008 15:38:22
Apropos of today's blog post, here's another movie of a war front interrupted by Christmas: Joyeux Noël.
Highly recommended...
Highly recommended...
Comment by Random on 12/23/2008 15:39:19
Random on 12/23/2008 15:39:19
I've got to go, but I'll leave you with this to think about.
Jimmy Stewart, a great actor, has done some of the best films ever made, from a wide range of topics and themes. Jimmy Stewart is was a Republican that campaigned for Reagan and Nixon. Should his works in film be discounted because he helped some of the crookedest presidents get into office?
Jimmy Stewart, a great actor, has done some of the best films ever made, from a wide range of topics and themes. Jimmy Stewart is was a Republican that campaigned for Reagan and Nixon. Should his works in film be discounted because he helped some of the crookedest presidents get into office?
Comment by Raine on 12/23/2008 15:40:25
I swear it feel s like Northern Tier Cold down here.
it's like 30 degrees but that wind chill is just wicket cold...
Raine on 12/23/2008 15:40:25
Quote by starling310:Quote by wickedpam:
The inaguration is going to be a good economic boost for DC, MD and VA. I know its going to be a good boost for our business, we already have winerys planning and marketing for this
Speaking of MD and VA....Uuummm....my friends and I drove 8 hours to Richmond on Saturday to see our friends Closing Night and it was FREEZING!!!! What gives!?!?
it's like 30 degrees but that wind chill is just wicket cold...
Comment by starling310 on 12/23/2008 15:41:01
starling310 on 12/23/2008 15:41:01
Regarding Rick Warren:
It's a tough call. As a Gay Woman, his views are a personal affront to my life.
I agree that I think Obama is supporting him by default by giving him an opportunity to speak at this innauguration.
However, I am always hoping that people could change. And, I suppose I am curious to hear what he has to say. It feels like waiting for Hillary to give her concession speech. Will he unite? Will he divide? Is he having a change of heart? It is Christmas; season of supposed miracles. I don't know.
Again, I would have preferred Obama pick someone else. But, I am curious to see what the man has to say.
It's a tough call. As a Gay Woman, his views are a personal affront to my life.
I agree that I think Obama is supporting him by default by giving him an opportunity to speak at this innauguration.
However, I am always hoping that people could change. And, I suppose I am curious to hear what he has to say. It feels like waiting for Hillary to give her concession speech. Will he unite? Will he divide? Is he having a change of heart? It is Christmas; season of supposed miracles. I don't know.
Again, I would have preferred Obama pick someone else. But, I am curious to see what the man has to say.
Comment by BobR on 12/23/2008 15:41:13
His overall impact on the world is more likely negative.
BobR on 12/23/2008 15:41:13
Quote by Random:
So his negatives are inhanced, but his postives aren't?
His overall impact on the world is more likely negative.
Comment by Raine on 12/23/2008 15:42:12
No of course not. And I understand what you are saying, and this indeed is not a black or white issue.
Raine on 12/23/2008 15:42:12
Quote by Random:
I've got to go, but I'll leave you with this to think about.
Jimmy Stewart, a great actor, has done some of the best films ever made, from a wide range of topics and themes. Jimmy Stewart is was a Republican that campaigned for Reagan and Nixon. Should his works in film be discounted because he helped some of the crookedest presidents get into office?
No of course not. And I understand what you are saying, and this indeed is not a black or white issue.
Comment by wickedpam on 12/23/2008 15:56:52
wickedpam on 12/23/2008 15:56:52
arrgghhhh!!!! why is FB fighting with me! 
Comment by Raine on 12/23/2008 15:57:00
Raine on 12/23/2008 15:57:00
Sanchez from Montebello is Carlos Sanchez? DI dI hear him say that he was a guest mook? 
Comment by wickedpam on 12/23/2008 15:58:34
Hey - I ordered 78 degrees and sunny, at this point I would just be happy with average temps which I think are in the 50's.
wickedpam on 12/23/2008 15:58:34
Quote by Raine:I swear it feel s like Northern Tier Cold down here.Quote by starling310:Quote by wickedpam:
The inaguration is going to be a good economic boost for DC, MD and VA. I know its going to be a good boost for our business, we already have winerys planning and marketing for this
Speaking of MD and VA....Uuummm....my friends and I drove 8 hours to Richmond on Saturday to see our friends Closing Night and it was FREEZING!!!! What gives!?!?
it's like 30 degrees but that wind chill is just wicket cold...
Hey - I ordered 78 degrees and sunny, at this point I would just be happy with average temps which I think are in the 50's.
Comment by 
velveeta jones on 12/23/2008 15:59:01
velveeta jones on 12/23/2008 15:59:01
Morning!
Sipping coffee and watching my civil liberties disappear.
Course, with the weather being so cold and my coffee getting cold - they come back onto the mug!
(reference to the fabulous gift from BobR)
Sipping coffee and watching my civil liberties disappear.
Course, with the weather being so cold and my coffee getting cold - they come back onto the mug!(reference to the fabulous gift from BobR)
Comment by BobR on 12/23/2008 16:03:48
BobR on 12/23/2008 16:03:48
the kittens are running amok! 
Comment by wickedpam on 12/23/2008 16:04:19
:spit:
Methinks someone is starting to believe there on press, as it where.
wickedpam on 12/23/2008 16:04:19
Quote by Raine:
Sanchez from Montebello is Carlos Sanchez? DI dI hear him say that he was a guest mook?
:spit:
Methinks someone is starting to believe there on press, as it where.
Comment by TriSec on 12/23/2008 16:05:38
TriSec on 12/23/2008 16:05:38
Ya know, I like winter, but this is ridiculous!
I'm sitting here in the office with two layers on, wearing fingerless gloves, a blanket thrown over my chair as a heat trap, and my space heater blasting under the desk, and I am still uncomfortable.
I moved my thermometer; once I get an accurate reading it's off to building services.
I'm sitting here in the office with two layers on, wearing fingerless gloves, a blanket thrown over my chair as a heat trap, and my space heater blasting under the desk, and I am still uncomfortable.
I moved my thermometer; once I get an accurate reading it's off to building services.
Comment by Raine on 12/23/2008 16:06:01
They are plotting the eventual Overthrow of Bobber.
Raine on 12/23/2008 16:06:01
Quote by BobR:
the kittens are running amok!
Comment by wickedpam on 12/23/2008 16:07:06
isnt' that their job? :scratchhead:
wickedpam on 12/23/2008 16:07:06
Quote by BobR:
the kittens are running amok!
isnt' that their job? :scratchhead:
Comment by 
livingonli on 12/23/2008 16:09:19
livingonli on 12/23/2008 16:09:19
Good morning everyone. 
If I have to sleep with gloves on, my landlady should be giving me some heat.
I've got the package from Clintster. Should I wait for him to show up to open it?
If I have to sleep with gloves on, my landlady should be giving me some heat.
I've got the package from Clintster. Should I wait for him to show up to open it?
Comment by livingonli on 12/23/2008 16:10:33
How could something so cute be so conniving?
livingonli on 12/23/2008 16:10:33
Quote by Raine:They are plotting the eventual Overthrow of Bobber.Quote by BobR:
the kittens are running amok!
How could something so cute be so conniving?
Comment by wickedpam on 12/23/2008 16:11:58
There is logic in what you are saying but it shouldn't have to come to that point. Sounds like you need to have a discussion with your landlady.
and I would open it now ;)
wickedpam on 12/23/2008 16:11:58
Quote by livingonli:
Good morning everyone.
If I have to sleep with gloves on, my landlady should be giving me some heat.
I've got the package from Clintster. Should I wait for him to show up to open it?
There is logic in what you are saying but it shouldn't have to come to that point. Sounds like you need to have a discussion with your landlady.
and I would open it now ;)
Comment by Raine on 12/23/2008 16:18:06
Raine on 12/23/2008 16:18:06
Excellent calls this morning regarding Rick Warren..
Comment by Raine on 12/23/2008 16:18:38
Raine on 12/23/2008 16:18:38
I will be wearing a White Ribbon.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 12/23/2008 16:19:45
Will in Chicago on 12/23/2008 16:19:45
Good morning, bloggers!!
TriSec, a good entry and a sad one. Too often, our veterans go unremembered. We must change this.
The Daily Headlines are up.
TriSec, the story you tell at the end of the blog entry reminds me of the song "Christmas In the Trenches," written and performed by John McCutcheon:
TriSec, a good entry and a sad one. Too often, our veterans go unremembered. We must change this.
The Daily Headlines are up.
TriSec, the story you tell at the end of the blog entry reminds me of the song "Christmas In the Trenches," written and performed by John McCutcheon:
Comment by Scoopster on 12/23/2008 16:31:40
I think they piped your heat down to my office - it feels warmer than a hospital ward in here today!
Scoopster on 12/23/2008 16:31:40
Quote by TriSec:
Ya know, I like winter, but this is ridiculous!
I'm sitting here in the office with two layers on, wearing fingerless gloves, a blanket thrown over my chair as a heat trap, and my space heater blasting under the desk, and I am still uncomfortable.
I moved my thermometer; once I get an accurate reading it's off to building services.
I think they piped your heat down to my office - it feels warmer than a hospital ward in here today!
Comment by Raine on 12/23/2008 16:40:55
Raine on 12/23/2008 16:40:55
Red State Update...
I think they are getting more and more like a redneck version of the Colbert Report.
I think they are getting more and more like a redneck version of the Colbert Report.
Comment by 
clintster on 12/23/2008 16:54:31
I'm here... go for it!
clintster on 12/23/2008 16:54:31
Quote by livingonli:
Good morning everyone.
If I have to sleep with gloves on, my landlady should be giving me some heat.
I've got the package from Clintster. Should I wait for him to show up to open it?
I'm here... go for it!
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/23/2008 16:55:52
Get the ace kitten wrangler Kizzy on the case.
Mondobubba on 12/23/2008 16:55:52
Quote by BobR:
the kittens are running amok!
Get the ace kitten wrangler Kizzy on the case.
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/23/2008 16:58:14
Eww. Why don't you just get a job at BK, that way they pay you to smell the way body spray smells.
Mondobubba on 12/23/2008 16:58:14
Quote by Raine:
Burger King introduces beef scented Body Spray...
Eww. Why don't you just get a job at BK, that way they pay you to smell the way body spray smells.
Comment by Raine on 12/23/2008 16:59:12
Raine on 12/23/2008 16:59:12
Where did Liv go?
Comment by livingonli on 12/23/2008 17:00:39
livingonli on 12/23/2008 17:00:39
I've got me a Pac-Man mug. Nothing like that retro charm. I can put my Hot Chocolate in it. Thanks, Clintster.
Comment by livingonli on 12/23/2008 17:01:38
Still here. Trying to go through too much in the morning.
livingonli on 12/23/2008 17:01:38
Quote by Raine:
Where did Liv go?
Still here. Trying to go through too much in the morning.
Comment by Raine on 12/23/2008 17:02:09
Raine on 12/23/2008 17:02:09
:clap: coolness!!!
Nice gift Living!
Nice gift Living!
Comment by livingonli on 12/23/2008 17:03:02
livingonli on 12/23/2008 17:03:02
More winter storms heading to the Midwest. We're supposed to get rain here tomorrow.
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/23/2008 17:04:13
I kinda like what the good Dr Maddow said late last week about Warren. He is giving the opening prayer, which is where we have been. Civil Rights Pioneer (I forget his name, sorry) is giving the closing prayer, which is where we want to go. I kinda like the symbolism that Rachel was going for.
Mondobubba on 12/23/2008 17:04:13
Quote by starling310:
Regarding Rick Warren:
It's a tough call. As a Gay Woman, his views are a personal affront to my life.
I agree that I think Obama is supporting him by default by giving him an opportunity to speak at this innauguration.
However, I am always hoping that people could change. And, I suppose I am curious to hear what he has to say. It feels like waiting for Hillary to give her concession speech. Will he unite? Will he divide? Is he having a change of heart? It is Christmas; season of supposed miracles. I don't know.
Again, I would have preferred Obama pick someone else. But, I am curious to see what the man has to say.
I kinda like what the good Dr Maddow said late last week about Warren. He is giving the opening prayer, which is where we have been. Civil Rights Pioneer (I forget his name, sorry) is giving the closing prayer, which is where we want to go. I kinda like the symbolism that Rachel was going for.
Comment by clintster on 12/23/2008 17:04:35
Yer welcome!
clintster on 12/23/2008 17:04:35
Quote by livingonli:
I've got me a Pac-Man mug. Nothing like that retro charm. I can put my Hot Chocolate in it. Thanks, Clintster.
Yer welcome!
Comment by TriSec on 12/23/2008 17:11:16
Sheesh, folks...I posted this *days* ago.
Of course, Burger King isn't exactly "meat".....
TriSec on 12/23/2008 17:11:16
Quote by Raine:
Burger King introduces beef scented Body Spray...
Sheesh, folks...I posted this *days* ago.
Of course, Burger King isn't exactly "meat".....
Comment by Scoopster on 12/23/2008 17:14:16
Scoopster on 12/23/2008 17:14:16
Comment by livingonli on 12/23/2008 17:14:31
Have you seen those Whopper Virgins ads? We take these people who have never touched fast food and are now going to ruin their eco-system and their diets just like we've done with millions of Westerners (especially Americans).
livingonli on 12/23/2008 17:14:31
Quote by TriSec:Quote by Raine:
Burger King introduces beef scented Body Spray...
Sheesh, folks...I posted this *days* ago.
Of course, Burger King isn't exactly "meat".....
Have you seen those Whopper Virgins ads? We take these people who have never touched fast food and are now going to ruin their eco-system and their diets just like we've done with millions of Westerners (especially Americans).
Comment by Raine on 12/23/2008 17:15:50
Raine on 12/23/2008 17:15:50
I need to head out and finish those last minute things... I am REALLY not pleased at the chilliness that will ensue with the trip outdoors.
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/23/2008 17:17:45
Mondobubba on 12/23/2008 17:17:45
Comment by starling310 on 12/23/2008 17:18:05
Yeah, that is true. Hopefully his mouth breathing followers understand that nuance.
I do also think people can change.
Look at Dennis Miller...yeah, his change is for the worst in our opinion. But, regardless it was a drastic change.
Ya know?
starling310 on 12/23/2008 17:18:05
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by starling310:
Regarding Rick Warren:
It's a tough call. As a Gay Woman, his views are a personal affront to my life.
I agree that I think Obama is supporting him by default by giving him an opportunity to speak at this innauguration.
However, I am always hoping that people could change. And, I suppose I am curious to hear what he has to say. It feels like waiting for Hillary to give her concession speech. Will he unite? Will he divide? Is he having a change of heart? It is Christmas; season of supposed miracles. I don't know.
Again, I would have preferred Obama pick someone else. But, I am curious to see what the man has to say.
I kinda like what the good Dr Maddow said late last week about Warren. He is giving the opening prayer, which is where we have been. Civil Rights Pioneer (I forget his name, sorry) is giving the closing prayer, which is where we want to go. I kinda like the symbolism that Rachel was going for.
Yeah, that is true. Hopefully his mouth breathing followers understand that nuance.
I do also think people can change.
Look at Dennis Miller...yeah, his change is for the worst in our opinion. But, regardless it was a drastic change.
Ya know?
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/23/2008 17:22:52
Psst Livin. I don't think those are really charming non-burger having ethnic populations. Sorry I had to break this to you, dude. They are
actors playing a part! I know you thought they were real since they were on TV and TV would never, ever lie to you.
:sarcasm:
Mondobubba on 12/23/2008 17:22:52
Quote by livingonli:Quote by TriSec:Quote by Raine:
Burger King introduces beef scented Body Spray...
Sheesh, folks...I posted this *days* ago.
Of course, Burger King isn't exactly "meat".....
Have you seen those Whopper Virgins ads? We take these people who have never touched fast food and are now going to ruin their eco-system and their diets just like we've done with millions of Westerners (especially Americans).
Psst Livin. I don't think those are really charming non-burger having ethnic populations. Sorry I had to break this to you, dude. They are
actors playing a part! I know you thought they were real since they were on TV and TV would never, ever lie to you.
:sarcasm:
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/23/2008 17:25:16
: puts on rose colored glasses, pick a lolipop from the tree behind me: Here ya go :star:ling.
Mondobubba on 12/23/2008 17:25:16
Quote by starling310:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by starling310:
Regarding Rick Warren:
It's a tough call. As a Gay Woman, his views are a personal affront to my life.
I agree that I think Obama is supporting him by default by giving him an opportunity to speak at this innauguration.
However, I am always hoping that people could change. And, I suppose I am curious to hear what he has to say. It feels like waiting for Hillary to give her concession speech. Will he unite? Will he divide? Is he having a change of heart? It is Christmas; season of supposed miracles. I don't know.
Again, I would have preferred Obama pick someone else. But, I am curious to see what the man has to say.
I kinda like what the good Dr Maddow said late last week about Warren. He is giving the opening prayer, which is where we have been. Civil Rights Pioneer (I forget his name, sorry) is giving the closing prayer, which is where we want to go. I kinda like the symbolism that Rachel was going for.
Yeah, that is true. Hopefully his mouth breathing followers understand that nuance.
: puts on rose colored glasses, pick a lolipop from the tree behind me: Here ya go :star:ling.
Comment by Random on 12/23/2008 17:25:33
Because he said shitty things? He hasn't done anything? just being an vocal asshole.
Random on 12/23/2008 17:25:33
Quote by BobR:Quote by Random:
So his negatives are inhanced, but his postives aren't?
His overall impact on the world is more likely negative.
Because he said shitty things? He hasn't done anything? just being an vocal asshole.
Comment by starling310 on 12/23/2008 17:26:42
Are you saying I am naive??? MOI!?!?
starling310 on 12/23/2008 17:26:42
Quote by Mondobubba:
: puts on rose colored glasses, pick a lolipop from the tree behind me: Here ya go :star:ling.
Are you saying I am naive??? MOI!?!?
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/23/2008 17:28:40
Being in a position of authority where he is effectively telling his mouth breathing followers to be hateful assholes he has done something. Propogating fucked up mean, dickwads that think it is okay to take away right previously granted to people. Don't forget Warren's church is in oh so "liberal" California.
Mondobubba on 12/23/2008 17:28:40
Quote by Random:Quote by BobR:Quote by Random:
So his negatives are inhanced, but his postives aren't?
His overall impact on the world is more likely negative.
Because he said shitty things? He hasn't done anything? just being an vocal asshole.
Being in a position of authority where he is effectively telling his mouth breathing followers to be hateful assholes he has done something. Propogating fucked up mean, dickwads that think it is okay to take away right previously granted to people. Don't forget Warren's church is in oh so "liberal" California.
Comment by Scoopster on 12/23/2008 17:29:55
Scoopster on 12/23/2008 17:29:55
MN-Sen Recount Update - Al Franken now unofficially officialy leads by 48 votes, with not much left to count!
It's pretty much over except for the court challenges & appeals from Coleman. WOO!
It's pretty much over except for the court challenges & appeals from Coleman. WOO!
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/23/2008 17:30:36
Oh dear, dear :star:ling. I would never say or even imply that! I am saying Rachel was. Yeah, Rachel Maddow. :wipes flop sweat from forehead:
Mondobubba on 12/23/2008 17:30:36
Quote by starling310:Quote by Mondobubba:
: puts on rose colored glasses, pick a lolipop from the tree behind me: Here ya go :star:ling.
Are you saying I am naive??? MOI!?!?
Oh dear, dear :star:ling. I would never say or even imply that! I am saying Rachel was. Yeah, Rachel Maddow. :wipes flop sweat from forehead:
Comment by Raine on 12/23/2008 17:33:11
WOW!
What was the number that Nate Silver gave? wasn't it a Franken win by 37 votes or something like that?
Raine on 12/23/2008 17:33:11
Quote by Scoopster:
MN-Sen Recount Update - Al Franken now unofficially officialy leads by 48 votes, with not much left to count!
It's pretty much over except for the court challenges & appeals from Coleman. WOO!
What was the number that Nate Silver gave? wasn't it a Franken win by 37 votes or something like that?
Comment by starling310 on 12/23/2008 17:33:42
IF everyone were as intelligent as our beloved Dr.Maddow, then she would have a point.
starling310 on 12/23/2008 17:33:42
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by starling310:Quote by Mondobubba:
: puts on rose colored glasses, pick a lolipop from the tree behind me: Here ya go :star:ling.
Are you saying I am naive??? MOI!?!?
Oh dear, dear :star:ling. I would never say or even imply that! I am saying Rachel was. Yeah, Rachel Maddow. :wipes flop sweat from forehead:
IF everyone were as intelligent as our beloved Dr.Maddow, then she would have a point.
Comment by Raine on 12/23/2008 17:34:03
Actually -- he pretty openly campaigned for Prop 8.
Raine on 12/23/2008 17:34:03
Quote by Random:Quote by BobR:Quote by Random:
So his negatives are inhanced, but his postives aren't?
His overall impact on the world is more likely negative.
Because he said shitty things? He hasn't done anything? just being an vocal asshole.
Actually -- he pretty openly campaigned for Prop 8.
Comment by wickedpam on 12/23/2008 17:36:04
Robots are wannabe
wickedpam on 12/23/2008 17:36:04
Robots are wannabe
Comment by Random on 12/23/2008 17:39:46
*sighs*
One should not ignore good because of the bad. Nothing else i can say besides that. I think it's time i back off before i become even more of an asshole.
Random on 12/23/2008 17:39:46
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Random:Quote by BobR:Quote by Random:
So his negatives are inhanced, but his postives aren't?
His overall impact on the world is more likely negative.
Because he said shitty things? He hasn't done anything? just being an vocal asshole.
Being in a position of authority where he is effectively telling his mouth breathing followers to be hateful assholes he has done something. Propogating fucked up mean, dickwads that think it is okay to take away right previously granted to people. Don't forget Warren's church is in oh so "liberal" California.
*sighs*
One should not ignore good because of the bad. Nothing else i can say besides that. I think it's time i back off before i become even more of an asshole.
Comment by Random on 12/23/2008 17:45:47
which is what? being a vocal asshole? he supported something, didn't create it, didn't start it, just apart of a bad part of society. One is not just what bad they do, but also the good. You should see both, not just one side because of your own prejudices.
Random on 12/23/2008 17:45:47
Quote by Raine:Quote by Random:Quote by BobR:Quote by Random:
So his negatives are inhanced, but his postives aren't?
His overall impact on the world is more likely negative.
Because he said shitty things? He hasn't done anything? just being an vocal asshole.
Actually -- he pretty openly campaigned for Prop 8.
which is what? being a vocal asshole? he supported something, didn't create it, didn't start it, just apart of a bad part of society. One is not just what bad they do, but also the good. You should see both, not just one side because of your own prejudices.
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/23/2008 17:45:54
Personally, I am far more worried about zombies than robots. There will be more of them than robots. Robots can't turn you into a robot like a zombie can turn you into a zombie.
Mondobubba on 12/23/2008 17:45:54
Quote by wickedpam:
Robots are wannabe
Personally, I am far more worried about zombies than robots. There will be more of them than robots. Robots can't turn you into a robot like a zombie can turn you into a zombie.
Comment by wickedpam on 12/23/2008 17:48:14
exactly! One bite and you're a gonner.
wickedpam on 12/23/2008 17:48:14
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam:
Robots are wannabe
Personally, I am far more worried about zombies than robots. There will be more of them than robots. Robots can't turn you into a robot like a zombie can turn you into a zombie.
exactly! One bite and you're a gonner.
Comment by Random on 12/23/2008 17:49:06
What about the Borg?
Well they're cybernetic beings, but basically the same thing.
Random on 12/23/2008 17:49:06
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam:
Robots are wannabe
Personally, I am far more worried about zombies than robots. There will be more of them than robots. Robots can't turn you into a robot like a zombie can turn you into a zombie.
What about the Borg?
Well they're cybernetic beings, but basically the same thing.
Comment by Raine on 12/23/2008 17:56:49
I do see both sides -- but in campaigning for it... he did more than vocalize... he gathered his followers to donate moeny. That isn't just being vocal... that is actively working on taking away civil rights. I don't think it cool to say we should *tolerate* the gays. The gays aren't asking to be tolerated. They are asking for the equal civil rights. That is what Warren has worked AGAINST.
I think that is the point that maybe is being missed here.
I am not going to take away what he has done, feeding people is great... fine... but he is doing it while wanting to keep certain people in a separate class from his version of christianity. It's been taken down from his website but until yesterday Morning, Saddleback Church said that Gays cannot be members of the church.
Fine. Whatever... that is the Church's beliefs that is their right to worship the way they want. But when you use your church to take away the rights of Americans, I have a real problem with that.
I am with on this one... I hope he can change his views, but what he has done already is a bitter pill to swallow.
Raine on 12/23/2008 17:56:49
Quote by Random:Quote by Raine:Quote by Random:Quote by BobR:Quote by Random:
So his negatives are inhanced, but his postives aren't?
His overall impact on the world is more likely negative.
Because he said shitty things? He hasn't done anything? just being an vocal asshole.
Actually -- he pretty openly campaigned for Prop 8.
which is what? being a vocal asshole? he supported something, didn't create it, didn't start it, just apart of a bad part of society. One is not just what bad they do, but also the good. You should see both, not just one side because of your own prejudices.
I think that is the point that maybe is being missed here.
I am not going to take away what he has done, feeding people is great... fine... but he is doing it while wanting to keep certain people in a separate class from his version of christianity. It's been taken down from his website but until yesterday Morning, Saddleback Church said that Gays cannot be members of the church.
Fine. Whatever... that is the Church's beliefs that is their right to worship the way they want. But when you use your church to take away the rights of Americans, I have a real problem with that.
I am with
on this one... I hope he can change his views, but what he has done already is a bitter pill to swallow.
Comment by starling310 on 12/23/2008 18:02:21
starling310 on 12/23/2008 18:02:21
Speaking of Zombies, one of my theaters in CT is doing NIght of the Musical Dead in July. It's an original show, script and music by our Tech Director, Bil.
Comment by Raine on 12/23/2008 18:04:34
Raine on 12/23/2008 18:04:34
--- and While I agree about the reaching out to the other side, I have found that quite often the other side tends to bite instead of reaching back.
is the religious right reaching out to be accepting of what they say they do not believe? Are tehy willing to accept that maybe just maybe that not everyone in the Country -- or the world for that matter --- is worried about Heaven and hell and Jesus?
It's like Charlie brown and the football.. I get really tired of going in for the kick only to have it once again pulled away.
I do like the thesis that the Good Doctor puts out there, and I appreciate that it's a small prayer. Try flipping this one around... What would the RW do if they found out Obama picked a Muslim for the invocation? Would they be telling the Gays to shut up and be inclusive about this? Would they be supporting the choice with open arms? Somehow I do not think so.
There are bigger battles out there to fight, granted, but that doesn't mean we as a country on both sides should sit down, shut up and accept it. Rick Warren isn't the worst of the worse, but he certainly hasn't done a lot to bring this country together as a whole -- particularly in California with his involvemnt of Prop 8.
is the religious right reaching out to be accepting of what they say they do not believe? Are tehy willing to accept that maybe just maybe that not everyone in the Country -- or the world for that matter --- is worried about Heaven and hell and Jesus?
It's like Charlie brown and the football.. I get really tired of going in for the kick only to have it once again pulled away.
I do like the thesis that the Good Doctor puts out there, and I appreciate that it's a small prayer. Try flipping this one around... What would the RW do if they found out Obama picked a Muslim for the invocation? Would they be telling the Gays to shut up and be inclusive about this? Would they be supporting the choice with open arms? Somehow I do not think so.
There are bigger battles out there to fight, granted, but that doesn't mean we as a country on both sides should sit down, shut up and accept it. Rick Warren isn't the worst of the worse, but he certainly hasn't done a lot to bring this country together as a whole -- particularly in California with his involvemnt of Prop 8.
Comment by Raine on 12/23/2008 18:06:07
ooOOoo are you going to audition?
Raine on 12/23/2008 18:06:07
Quote by starling310:
Speaking of Zombies, one of my theaters in CT is doing NIght of the Musical Dead in July. It's an original show, script and music by our Tech Director, Bil.
ooOOoo are you going to audition?
Comment by starling310 on 12/23/2008 18:08:47
I am. I did one of the vocal demos, but I think I am going to aud for the non-singing role.
starling310 on 12/23/2008 18:08:47
Quote by Raine:Quote by starling310:
Speaking of Zombies, one of my theaters in CT is doing NIght of the Musical Dead in July. It's an original show, script and music by our Tech Director, Bil.
ooOOoo are you going to audition?
I am. I did one of the vocal demos, but I think I am going to aud for the non-singing role.
Comment by Scoopster on 12/23/2008 18:12:29
Most recent projection I can find on 538 has Nate saying 70 votes. Damn he's friggin' good.
Scoopster on 12/23/2008 18:12:29
Quote by Raine:WOW!Quote by Scoopster:
MN-Sen Recount Update - Al Franken now unofficially officialy leads by 48 votes, with not much left to count!
It's pretty much over except for the court challenges & appeals from Coleman. WOO!
What was the number that Nate Silver gave? wasn't it a Franken win by 37 votes or something like that?
Most recent projection I can find on 538 has Nate saying 70 votes. Damn he's friggin' good.
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/23/2008 18:14:46
Good point, but since the Borg use Unix as an OS and don't seem to use any advanced encryption, they are vulerable to all kinds of attacks on their network. Blatherblatherblather.
Mondobubba on 12/23/2008 18:14:46
Quote by Random:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam:
Robots are wannabe
Personally, I am far more worried about zombies than robots. There will be more of them than robots. Robots can't turn you into a robot like a zombie can turn you into a zombie.
What about the Borg?
Well they're cybernetic beings, but basically the same thing.
Good point, but since the Borg use Unix as an OS and don't seem to use any advanced encryption, they are vulerable to all kinds of attacks on their network. Blatherblatherblather.
Comment by livingonli on 12/23/2008 18:15:02
livingonli on 12/23/2008 18:15:02
What would singing zombies sound like?
Comment by starling310 on 12/23/2008 18:18:45
Guess it will depend on the cast.
It took a lot of arm turning to get me to do the vocal demo. I haven't sung in front of people since High School, and never in a studio! Plus, the song was written a LOT lower than my voice's range. But, I did the best I could.
starling310 on 12/23/2008 18:18:45
Quote by livingonli:
What would singing zombies sound like?
Guess it will depend on the cast.
It took a lot of arm turning to get me to do the vocal demo. I haven't sung in front of people since High School, and never in a studio! Plus, the song was written a LOT lower than my voice's range. But, I did the best I could.
Comment by wickedpam on 12/23/2008 18:25:08
I can't believe you know that. ;)
wickedpam on 12/23/2008 18:25:08
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Random:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam:
Robots are wannabe
Personally, I am far more worried about zombies than robots. There will be more of them than robots. Robots can't turn you into a robot like a zombie can turn you into a zombie.
What about the Borg?
Well they're cybernetic beings, but basically the same thing.
Good point, but since the Borg use Unix as an OS and don't seem to use any advanced encryption, they are vulerable to all kinds of attacks on their network. Blatherblatherblather.
I can't believe you know that. ;)
Comment by Random on 12/23/2008 18:30:25
Random on 12/23/2008 18:30:25
Comment by Raine on 12/23/2008 18:30:37
I am glad you did a demo... very cool...
Raine on 12/23/2008 18:30:37
Quote by starling310:
It took a lot of arm turning to get me to do the vocal demo. I haven't sung in front of people since High School, and never in a studio! Plus, the song was written a LOT lower than my voice's range. But, I did the best I could.
Comment by Random on 12/23/2008 18:39:38
Random on 12/23/2008 18:39:38
Random comment:
REBOOT!
REBOOT!
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/23/2008 18:43:44
I know people who really spend too much time analyzing Star Trek. In some episode of TNG there is some method of Borg file structures and Jordi goes on about "root" directories. The ROOT directory is is the highest level in a Unix file structure. Since those oh so clever 25th century types were able to inject a virus into the root directory they were doing some pretty common place 20th-21st century hacking.
Do I really care? No, it's just in my arsenel o' fun facts.
Is it geeky? You betcha.
Mondobubba on 12/23/2008 18:43:44
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Random:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam:
Robots are wannabe
Personally, I am far more worried about zombies than robots. There will be more of them than robots. Robots can't turn you into a robot like a zombie can turn you into a zombie.
What about the Borg?
Well they're cybernetic beings, but basically the same thing.
Good point, but since the Borg use Unix as an OS and don't seem to use any advanced encryption, they are vulerable to all kinds of attacks on their network. Blatherblatherblather.
I know people who really spend too much time analyzing Star Trek. In some episode of TNG there is some method of Borg file structures and Jordi goes on about "root" directories. The ROOT directory is is the highest level in a Unix file structure. Since those oh so clever 25th century types were able to inject a virus into the root directory they were doing some pretty common place 20th-21st century hacking.
Do I really care? No, it's just in my arsenel o' fun facts.
Is it geeky? You betcha.
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/23/2008 18:44:46
UhhhhBraaaaaainsssszzzz Uuuuhhhhh!
Mondobubba on 12/23/2008 18:44:46
Quote by livingonli:
What would singing zombies sound like?
UhhhhBraaaaaainsssszzzz Uuuuhhhhh!
Comment by livingonli on 12/23/2008 19:11:41
livingonli on 12/23/2008 19:11:41
All right, I'm off to hook up my new Stilleto 2 to the car, run a quick errand and then go to work. Talk to y'all in a bit.
Comment by TriSec on 12/23/2008 19:12:13
TriSec on 12/23/2008 19:12:13
Resistance is Futile.
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Comment by Scoopster on 12/23/2008 19:17:12
Scoopster on 12/23/2008 19:17:12
And now.. your midday coffee break. Enjoy!
Comment by Raine on 12/23/2008 19:31:39
:rofl:
Raine on 12/23/2008 19:31:39
Quote by Scoopster:
And now.. your midday coffee break. Enjoy!
:rofl:
Comment by Scoopster on 12/23/2008 19:42:35
Perhaps he's decided to take a more "sin-not-sinner" approach?
Scoopster on 12/23/2008 19:42:35
Quote by Raine:
Rick Warren *Out of the Closet*...
Perhaps he's decided to take a more "sin-not-sinner" approach?
Comment by Scoopster on 12/23/2008 19:47:18
Scoopster on 12/23/2008 19:47:18
Comment by Raine on 12/23/2008 19:53:34
He is seriously backpeddling here, and to accuse Those that speak out against him of being Christo-Phobic is totally unacceptable.
Sorry to bring this back up, but he has followers who listen and act upon his words.
Raine on 12/23/2008 19:53:34
He is seriously backpeddling here, and to accuse Those that speak out against him of being Christo-Phobic is totally unacceptable.
Sorry to bring this back up, but he has followers who listen and act upon his words.
Comment by TriSec on 12/23/2008 19:59:26
TriSec on 12/23/2008 19:59:26
Still listening to Ellington. Have I ever posted Billy Strayhorn's "Four Freedoms"?
Enumerated by Duke Ellington himself at the second Sacred Concert in the tune "Freedom", they are...
Freedom from hate unconditionally;
Freedom from self-pity;
Freedom from the fear of doing something that would help someone else more than it would help me;
and Freedom from the kind of pride that makes me feel I am better than my brother.
Four more to add....kind of a nice corollary to our founding "Four Freedoms", hmm?
Enumerated by Duke Ellington himself at the second Sacred Concert in the tune "Freedom", they are...
Freedom from hate unconditionally;
Freedom from self-pity;
Freedom from the fear of doing something that would help someone else more than it would help me;
and Freedom from the kind of pride that makes me feel I am better than my brother.
Four more to add....kind of a nice corollary to our founding "Four Freedoms", hmm?
Comment by Scoopster on 12/23/2008 20:08:21
Scoopster on 12/23/2008 20:08:21
Comment by TriSec on 12/23/2008 20:17:16
TriSec on 12/23/2008 20:17:16
What is it with unsophisticated coffee drinkers that equates harsh and bitter with good?
I have just declared our new machines to be obvious products of Nast-O-Cup Sham Coffee Emporium.
Yick.
I have just declared our new machines to be obvious products of Nast-O-Cup Sham Coffee Emporium.
Yick.
Comment by Raine on 12/23/2008 20:26:32
WTF... if I recall correctly McCain was the king of the BBQ for the traveling press...
Raine on 12/23/2008 20:26:32
Quote by Scoopster:
CNN really is this pathetic. A-fucking-mazing.
WTF... if I recall correctly McCain was the king of the BBQ for the traveling press...
Comment by Raine on 12/23/2008 20:31:15
Raine on 12/23/2008 20:31:15
Bush pardoned 19 people today before he went on Holiday...
One of them was a Mortgage scammer.
One of them was a Mortgage scammer.
Seems like a bit of an odd time to pardon a guy who pled guilty to the relatively minor charges of making false statements to HUD and mail fraud amid an investigation of a massive housing scam that involved allegedly sticking the victims, homebuyers, with ballooning mortgages.
Comment by Raine on 12/23/2008 20:36:05
Raine on 12/23/2008 20:36:05
Comment by TriSec on 12/23/2008 21:16:56
TriSec on 12/23/2008 21:16:56
Out!
Heading for the packie...gotta buy some fizzy lifting drinks for Xmas morn.
Heading for the packie...gotta buy some fizzy lifting drinks for Xmas morn.
Comment by IzzyBitz on 12/23/2008 21:59:44
Hotbama!
IzzyBitz on 12/23/2008 21:59:44
Hotbama!
Comment by livingonli on 12/23/2008 22:27:07
So, they act like they are "independent" when a Democrat is president but when it's a Republican President or candidate they will bend over backwards and kiss ass for access and have no problem with free perks then.
Liberal media my ass. 
livingonli on 12/23/2008 22:27:07
Quote by Raine:Quote by Scoopster:
CNN really is this pathetic. A-fucking-mazing.
WTF... if I recall correctly McCain was the king of the BBQ for the traveling press...
So, they act like they are "independent" when a Democrat is president but when it's a Republican President or candidate they will bend over backwards and kiss ass for access and have no problem with free perks then.
Liberal media my ass.
Comment by MMB on 12/24/2008 00:20:40
MMB on 12/24/2008 00:20:40
I found myself on a very unique side of a talk about the war in Iraq today. I was in the nail salon getting my nails done when i started talking with a woman about my age 48 she said she had a son who would have been 27 in Jan and i said my son would be 28 in Jan. Her son was a Navy corpman and was killed by a sniper in Iraq 4 years ago. What really intiriuged me was when i thanked her for her sons sacrifice she quietly started to cry and told me how she had met with his unit a group of Marines and how all of them including her son had one mission to be allowed to finish the mission they had been ordered to start. She quietly told me about her sons full faith and belief in what he was doing. She asked me to think of her son and all those young men and women living and dead in my prayers. She said if we leave and Iraq falls into a country ran by radicals then my sons death will be in vain. She said that would be more painful to her than losing him was. Needless to say i was confused and suprised her quiet dignity and firm faith in our young men and women was so strong you could feel it. And no matter your opinion this woman walks the walk and talks the talk she knows what and who she believes in and why. God bless her and all the sons and daughters.
Comment by Raine on 12/24/2008 00:45:27
hell to the Yeow! A president that is easy on the ears and the eyes!!!
Finally done with all of the Holiday errands... Grown up Egg nog in hand...
Raine on 12/24/2008 00:45:27
Quote by IzzyBitz:
Hotbama!
Finally done with all of the Holiday errands... Grown up Egg nog in hand...
Comment by Random on 12/24/2008 00:56:37
I read the comments. And the only one who needs more counseling than that wife (because paying $55 in fees a month for a dead man is insane) is this commenter mareep: "Isn't anyone sickened by this? "His beloved cell phone"? More like surrogate, socially acceptable plastic penis!"
This person has issues...
Random on 12/24/2008 00:56:37
Quote by Raine:
Dead man recieves calls from the grave. This is just strange.
I read the comments. And the only one who needs more counseling than that wife (because paying $55 in fees a month for a dead man is insane) is this commenter mareep: "Isn't anyone sickened by this? "His beloved cell phone"? More like surrogate, socially acceptable plastic penis!"
This person has issues...
Comment by Random on 12/24/2008 00:59:29
Who doesn't take free beer? I mean I wouldn't cause i don't drink Alcohol, but if the President of the U.S. is offering to buy a round, you get yourself a beer son, it's the president for christ's sake.
Random on 12/24/2008 00:59:29
Quote by livingonli:Quote by Raine:Quote by Scoopster:
CNN really is this pathetic. A-fucking-mazing.
WTF... if I recall correctly McCain was the king of the BBQ for the traveling press...
So, they act like they are "independent" when a Democrat is president but when it's a Republican President or candidate they will bend over backwards and kiss ass for access and have no problem with free perks then.
Liberal media my ass.
Who doesn't take free beer? I mean I wouldn't cause i don't drink Alcohol, but if the President of the U.S. is offering to buy a round, you get yourself a beer son, it's the president for christ's sake.
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/24/2008 01:05:47
You know what the really disturbing part of the article is? The ads embedded as hyperlinks in the actual story.
Mondobubba on 12/24/2008 01:05:47
Quote by Raine:
Dead man recieves calls from the grave. This is just strange.
You know what the really disturbing part of the article is? The ads embedded as hyperlinks in the actual story.
Comment by BobR on 12/24/2008 01:11:56
I wonder how many more dead sons and daughters will be needed to keep Iraq from falling into the hands of "radicals" (the definition of which varies from person to person)?.... I wonder why it's America's responsibility?
I find it a little sad actually that this women, her son, and his mates in the service have bought into the propaganda so completely. I suppose it makes it easier to justify the violence and death, but if it were me, I would be pissed that my child was sacrificed at the alter of Bush Administration politics for no good reason.
Whatever it takes to live with oneself and one's circumstances, I suppose...
BobR on 12/24/2008 01:11:56
Quote by MMB:
I found myself on a very unique side of a talk about the war in Iraq today. I was in the nail salon getting my nails done when i started talking with a woman about my age 48 she said she had a son who would have been 27 in Jan and i said my son would be 28 in Jan. Her son was a Navy corpman and was killed by a sniper in Iraq 4 years ago. What really intiriuged me was when i thanked her for her sons sacrifice she quietly started to cry and told me how she had met with his unit a group of Marines and how all of them including her son had one mission to be allowed to finish the mission they had been ordered to start. She quietly told me about her sons full faith and belief in what he was doing. She asked me to think of her son and all those young men and women living and dead in my prayers. She said if we leave and Iraq falls into a country ran by radicals then my sons death will be in vain. She said that would be more painful to her than losing him was. Needless to say i was confused and suprised her quiet dignity and firm faith in our young men and women was so strong you could feel it. And no matter your opinion this woman walks the walk and talks the talk she knows what and who she believes in and why. God bless her and all the sons and daughters.
I wonder how many more dead sons and daughters will be needed to keep Iraq from falling into the hands of "radicals" (the definition of which varies from person to person)?.... I wonder why it's America's responsibility?
I find it a little sad actually that this women, her son, and his mates in the service have bought into the propaganda so completely. I suppose it makes it easier to justify the violence and death, but if it were me, I would be pissed that my child was sacrificed at the alter of Bush Administration politics for no good reason.
Whatever it takes to live with oneself and one's circumstances, I suppose...
Comment by BobR on 12/24/2008 01:14:56
LOL - I suppose "Sprint" is not something one would associate with a dead body... :P
BobR on 12/24/2008 01:14:56
Quote by Mondobubba:
You know what the really disturbing part of the article is? The ads embedded as hyperlinks in the actual story.
LOL - I suppose "Sprint" is not something one would associate with a dead body... :P
Comment by Raine on 12/24/2008 01:47:58
Me thinks you nailed it.
She needs to work on letting go... it is rather sad and pathetic, actually.
Raine on 12/24/2008 01:47:58
Quote by Random:Quote by Raine:
Dead man recieves calls from the grave. This is just strange.
I read the comments. And the only one who needs more counseling than that wife (because paying $55 in fees a month for a dead man is insane) is this commenter mareep: "Isn't anyone sickened by this? "His beloved cell phone"? More like surrogate, socially acceptable plastic penis!"
This person has issues...
She needs to work on letting go... it is rather sad and pathetic, actually.
Comment by Raine on 12/24/2008 01:47:59
Me thinks you nailed it.
She needs to work on letting go... it is rather sad and pathetic, actually.
Raine on 12/24/2008 01:47:59
Quote by Random:Quote by Raine:
Dead man recieves calls from the grave. This is just strange.
I read the comments. And the only one who needs more counseling than that wife (because paying $55 in fees a month for a dead man is insane) is this commenter mareep: "Isn't anyone sickened by this? "His beloved cell phone"? More like surrogate, socially acceptable plastic penis!"
This person has issues...
She needs to work on letting go... it is rather sad and pathetic, actually.
Comment by Random on 12/24/2008 01:51:56
While that is very true, i still stand by mareep has even more issues.
Random on 12/24/2008 01:51:56
Quote by Raine:Me thinks you nailed it.Quote by Random:Quote by Raine:
Dead man recieves calls from the grave. This is just strange.
I read the comments. And the only one who needs more counseling than that wife (because paying $55 in fees a month for a dead man is insane) is this commenter mareep: "Isn't anyone sickened by this? "His beloved cell phone"? More like surrogate, socially acceptable plastic penis!"
This person has issues...
She needs to work on letting go... it is rather sad and pathetic, actually.
While that is very true, i still stand by mareep has even more issues.
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/24/2008 02:07:19
Mondobubba on 12/24/2008 02:07:19
: snurfle: Rachel Maddow's name for Blago, Governor F Word. :rofl:
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/24/2008 02:24:22
Mondobubba on 12/24/2008 02:24:22
Rachel is talking dirty again. She said "infrastructure." Who is a naughty basic cable host? rrrrrrrRRRRRRRrrrrrrrr
Comment by livingonli on 12/24/2008 03:15:18
livingonli on 12/24/2008 03:15:18
Busy night in the salt mine. Finished my Cavs game and then I have a PAC-10 game at 10:30. Well, it keeps me out of trouble.
Comment by Random on 12/24/2008 04:16:33
Random on 12/24/2008 04:16:33
Since i don't really want to subject you to all of this god-awful show, and Fran...whatever her name is. The Nanny woman. Just watch his stand-up in the front half...and if you're brave...continue on.
Click the link...watch the show
Click the link...watch the show
Comment by livingonli on 12/24/2008 04:36:46
livingonli on 12/24/2008 04:36:46
25 minutes and I can go home.
Comment by Raine on 12/24/2008 05:23:32
I don't really think it is the worst... it is bad... but strangly ... watchable.
Raine on 12/24/2008 05:23:32
Quote by Random:
Since i don't really want to subject you to all of this god-awful show, and Fran...whatever her name is. The Nanny woman. Just watch his stand-up in the front half...and if you're brave...continue on.
Click the link...watch the show
I don't really think it is the worst... it is bad... but strangly ... watchable.