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Putting out a fire with gasoline.
Author: Raine
Date: 04/16/2009 12:49:47
Yesterday was fascinating and frightening all at once. I will stand by my assertion that people have the right to protest, regardless of political affiliation and I will always support that right. That said, I will not support the right to yell fire in a theatre, and - to a large extent - that was exactly what was happening all over the country.
It was like watching Sarah Palin rallies all over again. It was the same racist rhetoric, fear-mongering of the new administration, calls for God, cries of civil liberties being trampled, high taxes -- you name it. It was a regular potpourri of anger. It was all there. While many were trying to tell us that this was all about the over-spending of Government, and that this was not about Republicans or Democrats -- it was about Obama. It was about people being genuinely unhappy about who they have as a president. I would have more respect for these protestors if they would just come out and say it instead of being fed lies by a corporate-owned media center (Fox News) and then regurgitating them.
There were signs crying against nazism, communism, socialism and fascism. It was fascism that struck me as odd. In particular, this clip:
This man works for a major corporation, he is employed by what is known in some circles as the mouth-piece for the GOP and he's crying fascism?
It got me to thinking about the bad old days while we on the left were watching our country fall into obscurity. We cried those words as well. So I pulled up the old 14 Points of Fascism, to see what has changed, and what has not. What I found was disturbing. It isn't that we are still heading towards fascism, it was that many of these people were actually out protesting FOR further fascism, without realizing it. In particular, and with a direct reference to the Fox News Business reporter in the video I posted above I found this:
It struck me as disturbing that Fox was actually making itself the news. I found out later how true that was. It's full-blown media propaganda and it is very dangerous. It's exactly how Rwanda found itself in a full-blown genocide.
I understand people are not happy in this country, but the reality is that we had our revolution in November. It was called the election process. What is happening now is a mass manipulation by a small group of people that lost that power in November. They have whipped a few vocal Americans into a frenzy without explaining to them what is really happening. They might not be in the majority now, in regards to elected office, but that doesn't mean they don't still have power. Don't believe me? Watch this guy speak truth at a Tea Bag Party in Pensacola Florida Yesterday. Watch what happens:
The man was booed when he told them taxes have been lowered. Protesting is a wonderful thing in this country; I have long advocated that in order to change, you must get the government to listen. The problem is when the anger is unfocused and rampant and is based upon lies. When a media outlet fuels that anger by BEING the news instead of reporting it the result is civil unrest. If the wind blows the right way, riots will follow. Nothing good can come of putting out fire with gasoline, and yet that is exactly what Fox News is doing.
We need solutions, not scapegoats. The first step to stopping fascism is to know what it really is.
:peace: and
Raine
It was like watching Sarah Palin rallies all over again. It was the same racist rhetoric, fear-mongering of the new administration, calls for God, cries of civil liberties being trampled, high taxes -- you name it. It was a regular potpourri of anger. It was all there. While many were trying to tell us that this was all about the over-spending of Government, and that this was not about Republicans or Democrats -- it was about Obama. It was about people being genuinely unhappy about who they have as a president. I would have more respect for these protestors if they would just come out and say it instead of being fed lies by a corporate-owned media center (Fox News) and then regurgitating them.
There were signs crying against nazism, communism, socialism and fascism. It was fascism that struck me as odd. In particular, this clip:
This man works for a major corporation, he is employed by what is known in some circles as the mouth-piece for the GOP and he's crying fascism?
It got me to thinking about the bad old days while we on the left were watching our country fall into obscurity. We cried those words as well. So I pulled up the old 14 Points of Fascism, to see what has changed, and what has not. What I found was disturbing. It isn't that we are still heading towards fascism, it was that many of these people were actually out protesting FOR further fascism, without realizing it. In particular, and with a direct reference to the Fox News Business reporter in the video I posted above I found this:
6) A controlled mass media
Under some of the regimes, the mass media were under strict direct control and could be relied upon never to stray from the party line. Other regimes exercised more subtle power to ensure media orthodoxy. Methods included the control of licensing and access to resources, economic pressure, appeals to patriotism, and implied threats. The leaders of the mass media were often politically compatible with the power elite. The result was usually success in keeping the general public unaware of the regimes’ excesses.
We’ve picked up word that the tea party in Atlanta — which started minutes ago — has been trimmed from a three-hour event down to two hours, which means it will end at 9 p.m.
That’s when Sean Hannity is set to go on air from the stage at the state Capitol for his Fox News program.
We’re being told that Fox originally wanted the active crowd in the background, but have now decided against it.
I understand people are not happy in this country, but the reality is that we had our revolution in November. It was called the election process. What is happening now is a mass manipulation by a small group of people that lost that power in November. They have whipped a few vocal Americans into a frenzy without explaining to them what is really happening. They might not be in the majority now, in regards to elected office, but that doesn't mean they don't still have power. Don't believe me? Watch this guy speak truth at a Tea Bag Party in Pensacola Florida Yesterday. Watch what happens:
The man was booed when he told them taxes have been lowered. Protesting is a wonderful thing in this country; I have long advocated that in order to change, you must get the government to listen. The problem is when the anger is unfocused and rampant and is based upon lies. When a media outlet fuels that anger by BEING the news instead of reporting it the result is civil unrest. If the wind blows the right way, riots will follow. Nothing good can come of putting out fire with gasoline, and yet that is exactly what Fox News is doing.
3) Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
We need solutions, not scapegoats. The first step to stopping fascism is to know what it really is.
:peace: and
Raine
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Comment by 
wickedpam on 04/16/2009 13:03:57
wickedpam on 04/16/2009 13:03:57
Morning :hug:
Now I have a few journalism classes under my belt, even wrote for the college paper at one point and thought about being a journalist a long while ago - no way, no how was I insturcted to do the things that person from Fox did. That was not journalism in any way, shape or form.
I know how much we love to use them for cannon fodder but really I'm thinking it might be time to start reporting them to the FCC
Now I have a few journalism classes under my belt, even wrote for the college paper at one point and thought about being a journalist a long while ago - no way, no how was I insturcted to do the things that person from Fox did. That was not journalism in any way, shape or form.
I know how much we love to use them for cannon fodder but really I'm thinking it might be time to start reporting them to the FCC
Comment by wickedpam on 04/16/2009 13:13:43
wickedpam on 04/16/2009 13:13:43
ANyone see this?
Comment by 
Raine on 04/16/2009 13:14:17
Raine on 04/16/2009 13:14:17
Good morning!
Yes, I agree Mala. I believe this time a dangerous line has truly been crossed.
Yes, I agree Mala. I believe this time a dangerous line has truly been crossed.
Comment by wickedpam on 04/16/2009 13:15:58
wickedpam on 04/16/2009 13:15:58
yeah um - more like a "few hundred"
Comment by wickedpam on 04/16/2009 13:17:51
I understand if your doing commentary or editorial pieces but to say that's reporting is just not ethical
wickedpam on 04/16/2009 13:17:51
Quote by Raine:
Good morning!
Yes, I agree Mala. I believe this time a dangerous line has truly been crossed.
I understand if your doing commentary or editorial pieces but to say that's reporting is just not ethical
Comment by Raine on 04/16/2009 13:18:35
Wow. That is scary stuff.
Raine on 04/16/2009 13:18:35
Quote by wickedpam:
ANyone see this?
Wow. That is scary stuff.
Comment by 
Scoopster on 04/16/2009 13:19:40
A prime example of an uneducated moron who doesn't even know why he's pissed off. Hopefully his child will grow up to have more common sense.
Scoopster on 04/16/2009 13:19:40
Quote by wickedpam:
ANyone see this?
A prime example of an uneducated moron who doesn't even know why he's pissed off. Hopefully his child will grow up to have more common sense.
Comment by Raine on 04/16/2009 13:21:54
Raine on 04/16/2009 13:21:54
I love that Rick Santelli fo President sign in the background.
:facepalm:
:facepalm:
Comment by Raine on 04/16/2009 13:40:11
Raine on 04/16/2009 13:40:11
Comment by wickedpam on 04/16/2009 13:54:39
its not a protest if you bring lawn chairs
wickedpam on 04/16/2009 13:54:39
Quote by Raine:
Pictures from the Atlanta teaBag party.
Not exactly thousands-- more like hundreds.
its not a protest if you bring lawn chairs
Comment by 
velveeta jones on 04/16/2009 13:55:43
velveeta jones on 04/16/2009 13:55:43
Excellent post Raine!! :clap:
Comment by Scoopster on 04/16/2009 13:55:47
Hah.. The sports radio liars in Boston were claiming 20 thousand ppl showed up in Atlanta.
Scoopster on 04/16/2009 13:55:47
Quote by Raine:
Pictures from the Atlanta teaBag party.
Not exactly thousands-- more like hundreds.
Hah.. The sports radio liars in Boston were claiming 20 thousand ppl showed up in Atlanta.
Comment by Raine on 04/16/2009 13:57:12
I loved the picture (I think it was number 7) of the row of protestors in lawn chairs.
Raine on 04/16/2009 13:57:12
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Raine:
Pictures from the Atlanta teaBag party.
Not exactly thousands-- more like hundreds.
Hah.. The sports radio liars in Boston were claiming 20 thousand ppl showed up in Atlanta.
I loved the picture (I think it was number 7) of the row of protestors in lawn chairs.
Comment by Raine on 04/16/2009 13:57:43
:rofl: They have a whole row!!!
Raine on 04/16/2009 13:57:43
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
Pictures from the Atlanta teaBag party.
Not exactly thousands-- more like hundreds.
its not a protest if you bring lawn chairs
Comment by wickedpam on 04/16/2009 14:06:17
and they have to leave space on the sidewalk for people to pass
wickedpam on 04/16/2009 14:06:17
Quote by Raine::rofl: They have a whole row!!!Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
Pictures from the Atlanta teaBag party.
Not exactly thousands-- more like hundreds.
its not a protest if you bring lawn chairs
and they have to leave space on the sidewalk for people to pass
Comment by Raine on 04/16/2009 14:09:09
Raine on 04/16/2009 14:09:09
Paranoia will destroyah!
:facepalm:
:facepalm:
Comment by Raine on 04/16/2009 14:18:58
Raine on 04/16/2009 14:18:58
the funniest thing about the tea parties... these idiots turned out to protest Obama’s tax policies on the same day they just filed their returns under Bush’s tax policies
Comment by Raine on 04/16/2009 14:29:00
Raine on 04/16/2009 14:29:00
What? WAHT? Simplifying the TAX CODE? HE MUST HATE AMERICA!
Comment by wickedpam on 04/16/2009 14:31:08
:thud:
Okay, well alrighty then.....
wickedpam on 04/16/2009 14:31:08
Quote by Raine:
Paranoia will destroyah!
:facepalm:
:thud:
Okay, well alrighty then.....
Comment by velveeta jones on 04/16/2009 14:31:49
this is a protest???
velveeta jones on 04/16/2009 14:31:49
Quote by Raine:
Pictures from the Atlanta teaBag party.
Not exactly thousands-- more like hundreds.
this is a protest???
Comment by Scoopster on 04/16/2009 14:37:09
These people wouldn't know a protest if it sat on their face and hadn't washed for a couple days.
Scoopster on 04/16/2009 14:37:09
Quote by velveeta jones:Quote by Raine:
Pictures from the Atlanta teaBag party.
Not exactly thousands-- more like hundreds.
this is a protest???
These people wouldn't know a protest if it sat on their face and hadn't washed for a couple days.
Comment by Raine on 04/16/2009 14:37:30
Raine on 04/16/2009 14:37:30
According the AJC, Atlanta had hundreds.
Comment by wickedpam on 04/16/2009 14:39:05
lawn chairs - all I'm sayin'
wickedpam on 04/16/2009 14:39:05
Quote by velveeta jones:Quote by Raine:
Pictures from the Atlanta teaBag party.
Not exactly thousands-- more like hundreds.
this is a protest???
lawn chairs - all I'm sayin'
Comment by Raine on 04/16/2009 14:45:22
Raine on 04/16/2009 14:45:22
HAH! Funny hearing Chris yell Cock!
Comment by Raine on 04/16/2009 14:52:51
Raine on 04/16/2009 14:52:51
Two words:
Oklahoma City.
Oklahoma City.
Comment by 
Random on 04/16/2009 14:53:10
Random on 04/16/2009 14:53:10
Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
Wasn't that from Goebbels?
Or am i confused?
Wasn't that from Goebbels?
Or am i confused?
Comment by Raine on 04/16/2009 14:54:03
Raine on 04/16/2009 14:54:03
I remember the RNC Convention in NY.
I saw what they did to the protesters first hand.
I saw what they did to the protesters first hand.
Comment by Raine on 04/16/2009 14:54:34
Raine on 04/16/2009 14:54:34
Ok caller... you don't like Big Brother... How about the NSA? How about what Bush did to the fourth amendment.
Comment by Raine on 04/16/2009 14:55:21
Goebbls altho a nazi, DID use these tactics.
Raine on 04/16/2009 14:55:21
Quote by Random:
Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
Wasn't that from Goebbels?
Or am i confused?
Comment by Random on 04/16/2009 14:58:07
Random on 04/16/2009 14:58:07
Just...sad...And homophobic.
The sad thing is, not only do a majority of american's know who Barney Frank is, even less know he's gay.
The sad thing is, not only do a majority of american's know who Barney Frank is, even less know he's gay.
Comment by Scoopster on 04/16/2009 15:01:39
So do I.. that whole experience, and the fact that it was COMPLETELY IGNORED by the media, make this whole bullshit thing yesterday even more insulting.
These morons come out with their misdirected outrage and their lawn chairs and their self-righteous attitudes and their sponsorships by fascist right-wing organizations and they sit there and embarass themselves. Yet when the leaders of this country deceive them and send them to die for a lie and for their own profit, and they spy on them and steal their money and their children's future, they stay home and sneer and accept the falsehoods they've been handed because they're too fucking dumb or afraid to see and accept the truth.
*pant*
Scoopster on 04/16/2009 15:01:39
Quote by Raine:
I remember the RNC Convention in NY.
I saw what they did to the protesters first hand.
So do I.. that whole experience, and the fact that it was COMPLETELY IGNORED by the media, make this whole bullshit thing yesterday even more insulting.
These morons come out with their misdirected outrage and their lawn chairs and their self-righteous attitudes and their sponsorships by fascist right-wing organizations and they sit there and embarass themselves. Yet when the leaders of this country deceive them and send them to die for a lie and for their own profit, and they spy on them and steal their money and their children's future, they stay home and sneer and accept the falsehoods they've been handed because they're too fucking dumb or afraid to see and accept the truth.
*pant*
Comment by 
BobR on 04/16/2009 15:02:39
BobR on 04/16/2009 15:02:39
So I've got an interview with a company tomorrow afternoon!
It's only for a 3 month contract, but it's something...
It's only for a 3 month contract, but it's something...
Comment by Random on 04/16/2009 15:06:55
So...does that make the current users nazi like?
Random on 04/16/2009 15:06:55
Quote by Raine:Goebbls altho a nazi, DID use these tactics.Quote by Random:
Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
Wasn't that from Goebbels?
Or am i confused?
So...does that make the current users nazi like?
Comment by wickedpam on 04/16/2009 15:10:15
And in 3 months you can dazzle them with your knowledge and talent :D
wickedpam on 04/16/2009 15:10:15
Quote by BobR:
So I've got an interview with a company tomorrow afternoon!
It's only for a 3 month contract, but it's something...
And in 3 months you can dazzle them with your knowledge and talent :D
Comment by Raine on 04/16/2009 15:15:44
I'd say no. Both fascism and Nazism are founded on similar ideas, but they are not identical.
Fascism is a political ideology.
Nazism, is based on blind racial hatred, militarism, and totalitarian power in the interest of a master race.
Raine on 04/16/2009 15:15:44
Quote by Random:
So...does that make the current users nazi like?
I'd say no. Both fascism and Nazism are founded on similar ideas, but they are not identical.
Fascism is a political ideology.
Nazism, is based on blind racial hatred, militarism, and totalitarian power in the interest of a master race.
Comment by Raine on 04/16/2009 15:16:42
Raine on 04/16/2009 15:16:42
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Raine:
I remember the RNC Convention in NY.
I saw what they did to the protesters first hand.
So do I.. that whole experience, and the fact that it was COMPLETELY IGNORED by the media, make this whole bullshit thing yesterday even more insulting.
These morons come out with their misdirected outrage and their lawn chairs and their self-righteous attitudes and their sponsorships by fascist right-wing organizations and they sit there and embarass themselves. Yet when the leaders of this country deceive them and send them to die for a lie and for their own profit, and they spy on them and steal their money and their children's future, they stay home and sneer and accept the falsehoods they've been handed because they're too fucking dumb or afraid to see and accept the truth.
*pant*
Comment by Random on 04/16/2009 15:21:12
To be fair, Nazism didn't become that until Hilter took charge.
Random on 04/16/2009 15:21:12
Quote by Raine:Quote by Random:
So...does that make the current users nazi like?
I'd say no. Both fascism and Nazism are founded on similar ideas, but they are not identical.
Fascism is a political ideology.
Nazism, is based on blind racial hatred, militarism, and totalitarian power in the interest of a master race.
To be fair, Nazism didn't become that until Hilter took charge.
Comment by BobR on 04/16/2009 15:25:01
BobR on 04/16/2009 15:25:01
Momma is doing an ad for Hummers???
Comment by Raine on 04/16/2009 15:28:24
doesn't really matter... the German Socialist Party was dangerous , as was the DAP.
Raine on 04/16/2009 15:28:24
Quote by Random:Quote by Raine:Quote by Random:
So...does that make the current users nazi like?
I'd say no. Both fascism and Nazism are founded on similar ideas, but they are not identical.
Fascism is a political ideology.
Nazism, is based on blind racial hatred, militarism, and totalitarian power in the interest of a master race.
To be fair, Nazism didn't become that until Hilter took charge.
Comment by Raine on 04/16/2009 15:31:43
Yup...
Raine on 04/16/2009 15:31:43
Quote by BobR:
Momma is doing an ad for Hummers???
Yup...
Comment by Raine on 04/16/2009 15:32:20
:dance2:
Raine on 04/16/2009 15:32:20
Quote by BobR:
So I've got an interview with a company tomorrow afternoon!
It's only for a 3 month contract, but it's something...
Comment by Raine on 04/16/2009 15:42:27
Raine on 04/16/2009 15:42:27
Ok, I know I shouldn't laugh... and I am glad she is alright, but does she realize that she was protesting the taxes that paid the salary of the officers that rescued her?
Comment by Random on 04/16/2009 15:47:37
Random on 04/16/2009 15:47:37
Hello Random Here...Random Random....
I've got nutin...
I've got nutin...
Comment by Scoopster on 04/16/2009 15:49:42
Scoopster on 04/16/2009 15:49:42
.... :grumble:
Just got a call from the NE Aquarium, who is three months late on their bill and decided to call to cancel their new advertising. When I told them I'd have to pro-rate their invoice for the time the listings were active they said cancel everything.
So fuckin' shady..
Just got a call from the NE Aquarium, who is three months late on their bill and decided to call to cancel their new advertising. When I told them I'd have to pro-rate their invoice for the time the listings were active they said cancel everything.
So fuckin' shady..
Comment by wickedpam on 04/16/2009 15:51:30
wickedpam on 04/16/2009 15:51:30
Comment by Raine on 04/16/2009 15:52:59
Raine on 04/16/2009 15:52:59
:facepalm: 
Comment by Random on 04/16/2009 16:00:48
What?
Random on 04/16/2009 16:00:48
Quote by Raine:
:facepalm:
What?
Comment by Raine on 04/16/2009 16:04:30
Crazy caller on Momma. Wowser -- he was angry nasty and mean...
Raine on 04/16/2009 16:04:30
Quote by Random:Quote by Raine:
:facepalm:
What?
Crazy caller on Momma. Wowser -- he was angry nasty and mean...
Comment by Raine on 04/16/2009 16:08:27
Raine on 04/16/2009 16:08:27
Comment by BobR on 04/16/2009 16:10:29
oh dear...
^_^
:lol:
:rofl:
BobR on 04/16/2009 16:10:29
Quote by Raine:
Ok, I know I shouldn't laugh... and I am glad she is alright, but does she realize that she was protesting the taxes that paid the salary of the officers that rescued her?
oh dear...
^_^
:lol:
:rofl:
Comment by 
livingonli on 04/16/2009 16:15:17
livingonli on 04/16/2009 16:15:17
Good day folks.
I still ended up going to bed late last night since I took a 2 AM shower and I just ended up listening to the last hour and a half of Momma on the headsets off my XM receiver.
I still ended up going to bed late last night since I took a 2 AM shower and I just ended up listening to the last hour and a half of Momma on the headsets off my XM receiver.
Comment by livingonli on 04/16/2009 16:24:53
livingonli on 04/16/2009 16:24:53
BTW, the first video when I went to play it says it was removed by the user so I guess someone at Fox News was embarrassed at being discovered.
Comment by wickedpam on 04/16/2009 16:29:16
Oh my. I kinda feel bad for her, she must have been so embarassed.
wickedpam on 04/16/2009 16:29:16
Quote by BobR:Quote by Raine:
Ok, I know I shouldn't laugh... and I am glad she is alright, but does she realize that she was protesting the taxes that paid the salary of the officers that rescued her?
oh dear...
^_^
:lol:
:rofl:
Oh my. I kinda feel bad for her, she must have been so embarassed.
Comment by Scoopster on 04/16/2009 16:31:47
Scoopster on 04/16/2009 16:31:47
Okay.. I need a light-hearted moment.
Comment by Raine on 04/16/2009 16:33:55
Raine on 04/16/2009 16:33:55
I found another version of it Liv, you should be able to watch it now.
Comment by Raine on 04/16/2009 16:35:08
Raine on 04/16/2009 16:35:08
:spit: Scoop! those are awesome! 
Comment by livingonli on 04/16/2009 16:38:07
livingonli on 04/16/2009 16:38:07
Well I guess we have proof as to why Fox Business has no viewers if he is the model of their reporters.
Comment by Scoopster on 04/16/2009 16:42:56
Scoopster on 04/16/2009 16:42:56
Comment by 
Will in Chicago on 04/16/2009 17:05:57
Will in Chicago on 04/16/2009 17:05:57
Good morning from the Valley of the Sun, bloggers!
Excellent post, Raine!! Good luck on the job interview, BobR! (I have a big job fair on Saturday, so I am already printing up resumes.)
I think that what we are seeing in the GOP is the party becoming more and more radicalized, with heated rhetoric. It is not acceptable to sling the terms fascist, communist, socialist, and traitor in describing opponents. I worry how some people will take these words as a call to action. Indeed, we saw one person who decided to target liberals kill two people last year at a Unitarian-Universalist Church in Knoxville, Tennessee. So, I must ask with William Butler Yeats, "What rough beast slouches towards Bethlehem, waiting to be born?"
Excellent post, Raine!! Good luck on the job interview, BobR! (I have a big job fair on Saturday, so I am already printing up resumes.)
I think that what we are seeing in the GOP is the party becoming more and more radicalized, with heated rhetoric. It is not acceptable to sling the terms fascist, communist, socialist, and traitor in describing opponents. I worry how some people will take these words as a call to action. Indeed, we saw one person who decided to target liberals kill two people last year at a Unitarian-Universalist Church in Knoxville, Tennessee. So, I must ask with William Butler Yeats, "What rough beast slouches towards Bethlehem, waiting to be born?"
Comment by Raine on 04/16/2009 17:20:33
Raine on 04/16/2009 17:20:33
Hey will! Nice to see you!
Comment by Scoopster on 04/16/2009 17:27:24
Scoopster on 04/16/2009 17:27:24
That boy's got the kind of grin on his face that I'd want to just... argh!
Comment by Raine on 04/16/2009 17:37:03
Among the anticipated documents are detailed 2005 memos by Stephen G. Bradbury, who as acting head of the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel authorized the C.I.A. techniques. The documents have never before been made public, but an article in The New York Times in October 2007 said that the memos gave legal support for using a combination of coercive techniques at the same time and concluded that the C.I.A.’s methods were not “cruel, inhuman or degrading” under international law.
Another document expected to be released this afternoon is a Justice Department memo written August 1, 2002. The memo, written by John C. Yoo and signed by Jay S. Bybee, two Justice Department officials at the time, is a legal authorization for a laundry list of proposed C.I.A. interrogation techniques.
Raine on 04/16/2009 17:37:03
Quote by Raine:
Secret Interrogation Memo's are being released.
Among the anticipated documents are detailed 2005 memos by Stephen G. Bradbury, who as acting head of the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel authorized the C.I.A. techniques. The documents have never before been made public, but an article in The New York Times in October 2007 said that the memos gave legal support for using a combination of coercive techniques at the same time and concluded that the C.I.A.’s methods were not “cruel, inhuman or degrading” under international law.
Another document expected to be released this afternoon is a Justice Department memo written August 1, 2002. The memo, written by John C. Yoo and signed by Jay S. Bybee, two Justice Department officials at the time, is a legal authorization for a laundry list of proposed C.I.A. interrogation techniques.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 04/16/2009 17:39:29
Good to see you!
I subbed twice this week already, and I am checking on some part-time stuff to do over the summer. So, busy.
Will in Chicago on 04/16/2009 17:39:29
Quote by Raine:
Hey will! Nice to see you!
Good to see you!
I subbed twice this week already, and I am checking on some part-time stuff to do over the summer. So, busy.
Comment by BobR on 04/16/2009 17:51:43
from the comments:
"i bet this kid gets the shit beat out of him at home-school"
:rofl:
BobR on 04/16/2009 17:51:43
Quote by Raine:
The future of America Folks...
from the comments:
"i bet this kid gets the shit beat out of him at home-school"
:rofl:
Comment by Raine on 04/16/2009 18:40:44
Raine on 04/16/2009 18:40:44
Obama administration telling CIA officials they won't be prosecuted for past waterboarding, AP reports.
Comment by Raine on 04/16/2009 18:51:27
From the AP.
This was a needed step to keep the good faith with the CIA.
Now, bring on the Memo's!
Raine on 04/16/2009 18:51:27
Quote by Raine:
Obama administration telling CIA officials they won't be prosecuted for past waterboarding, AP reports.
From the AP.
The Obama administration on Thursday informed CIA officials who used waterboarding and other harsh interrogation tactics on terror suspects that they will not be prosecuted, senior administration officials told The Associated Press.
Even before President Barack Obama took office in January, aides signaled his administration was not likely to bring criminal charges against CIA employees for their roles in the secret, coercive terrorist interrogation program. It had been deemed legal at the time through opinions issued by the Justice Department under the Bush administration.
But the statement being issued Thursday by Attorney General Eric Holder, the nation's chief law enforcement officer, is the first definitive assurance that those CIA officials are in the clear, as long as their actions were in line with the legal advice at the time.
Now, bring on the Memo's!
Comment by livingonli on 04/16/2009 19:32:30
livingonli on 04/16/2009 19:32:30
I still think prosecutions needto be done.
Comment by Scoopster on 04/16/2009 19:36:48
Apropos?
Scoopster on 04/16/2009 19:36:48
Apropos?
Comment by BobR on 04/16/2009 20:19:44
BobR on 04/16/2009 20:19:44
sucky news - the agency just called back and said that the company I was going to interview with tomorrow went ahead and offered the job to someone else, so I am SOL... :kickcan:
Comment by 
Mondobubba on 04/16/2009 20:22:37
: scans blog : MEMOS NOT MEMO'S. MENO'S is possessive. MEMOS (no apostrophe) is plural. Why do you torture me so? I know you (all of you) learned this in like, second grade. :froths at mouth, seizure:
Mondobubba on 04/16/2009 20:22:37
Quote by Raine:Quote by Raine:
Obama administration telling CIA officials they won't be prosecuted for past waterboarding, AP reports.
From the AP.This was a needed step to keep the good faith with the CIA.The Obama administration on Thursday informed CIA officials who used waterboarding and other harsh interrogation tactics on terror suspects that they will not be prosecuted, senior administration officials told The Associated Press.
Even before President Barack Obama took office in January, aides signaled his administration was not likely to bring criminal charges against CIA employees for their roles in the secret, coercive terrorist interrogation program. It had been deemed legal at the time through opinions issued by the Justice Department under the Bush administration.
But the statement being issued Thursday by Attorney General Eric Holder, the nation's chief law enforcement officer, is the first definitive assurance that those CIA officials are in the clear, as long as their actions were in line with the legal advice at the time.
Now, bring on the Memo's!
: scans blog : MEMOS NOT MEMO'S. MENO'S is possessive. MEMOS (no apostrophe) is plural. Why do you torture me so? I know you (all of you) learned this in like, second grade. :froths at mouth, seizure:
Comment by Mondobubba on 04/16/2009 20:25:39
: Continues blog scanning : : perk : Momma is offering humm... Ohh the offensive GM SUV. Never mind.
Mondobubba on 04/16/2009 20:25:39
Quote by BobR:
Momma is doing an ad for Hummers???
: Continues blog scanning : : perk : Momma is offering humm... Ohh the offensive GM SUV. Never mind.
Comment by Raine on 04/16/2009 20:29:42
Sorry Babe.
Raine on 04/16/2009 20:29:42
Quote by BobR:
sucky news - the agency just called back and said that the company I was going to interview with tomorrow went ahead and offered the job to someone else, so I am SOL... :kickcan:
Sorry Babe.
Comment by livingonli on 04/16/2009 20:30:46
livingonli on 04/16/2009 20:30:46
I thought they were going to discontinue the Hummers because sales had dropped off.
Comment by Mondobubba on 04/16/2009 20:32:25
Mondobubba on 04/16/2009 20:32:25
Comment by Raine on 04/16/2009 21:05:28
Raine on 04/16/2009 21:05:28
Tom Delay on Hardball saying that he would like Texas to succeed. I say go for it.
And let ALL the teabaggers go live there. Let them shoot all the mexicans in their own country and border. Problem solved.
And let ALL the teabaggers go live there. Let them shoot all the mexicans in their own country and border. Problem solved.
Comment by Mondobubba on 04/16/2009 21:08:27
When the awesome force that is the US military is unleashed on the rebel state they will be singing a different tune. Shock and Awe will work well on Huston, Dallas and San Antonio.
Mondobubba on 04/16/2009 21:08:27
Quote by Raine:
Tom Delay on Hardball saying that he would like Texas to succeed. I say go for it.
And let ALL the teabaggers go live there. Let them shoot all the mexicans in their own country and border. Problem solved.
When the awesome force that is the US military is unleashed on the rebel state they will be singing a different tune. Shock and Awe will work well on Huston, Dallas and San Antonio.
Comment by 
clintster on 04/16/2009 21:44:58
Honestly, I saw the name of the link when I hovered over it and thought to myself "God, not another pic of Glenn Beck."
clintster on 04/16/2009 21:44:58
Quote by Raine:
The future of America Folks...
Honestly, I saw the name of the link when I hovered over it and thought to myself "God, not another pic of Glenn Beck."
Comment by Raine on 04/16/2009 22:13:51
Raine on 04/16/2009 22:13:51
I am really not fond of the Ed Show.
just saying.
just saying.
Comment by Raine on 04/16/2009 22:14:49
:spit:
Raine on 04/16/2009 22:14:49
Quote by clintster:Quote by Raine:
The future of America Folks...
Honestly, I saw the name of the link when I hovered over it and thought to myself "God, not another pic of Glenn Beck."
Comment by livingonli on 04/16/2009 22:26:49
Laura Flanders is supposed to be on in a few minutes. Right now, I am watching Family Guy on WPIX.
livingonli on 04/16/2009 22:26:49
Quote by Raine:
I am really not fond of the Ed Show.
just saying.
Laura Flanders is supposed to be on in a few minutes. Right now, I am watching Family Guy on WPIX.
Comment by 
trojanrabbit on 04/16/2009 22:30:41
You mean the show where the Herald (otherwise known as a Murdoch fishwrap) "columnist" reads the front page of the Herald on the radio and yuks it up?
And most of the "sports" columnists who appear during the day also work for the Herald?
Is Entercom also owned by Murdoch?
trojanrabbit on 04/16/2009 22:30:41
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Raine:
Pictures from the Atlanta teaBag party.
Not exactly thousands-- more like hundreds.
Hah.. The sports radio liars in Boston were claiming 20 thousand ppl showed up in Atlanta.
You mean the show where the Herald (otherwise known as a Murdoch fishwrap) "columnist" reads the front page of the Herald on the radio and yuks it up?
And most of the "sports" columnists who appear during the day also work for the Herald?
Is Entercom also owned by Murdoch?
Comment by Raine on 04/16/2009 23:00:24
Raine on 04/16/2009 23:00:24
ok, I am SHOCKED! Ed actually had LAURA FLANDERS on his show!
Ed actually had LAURA FLANDERS on his show!
Comment by Raine on 04/16/2009 23:01:47
Raine on 04/16/2009 23:01:47
Laura btw, blew away Ed.
Comment by livingonli on 04/16/2009 23:35:48
livingonli on 04/16/2009 23:35:48
She should have gotten more time though.
Comment by Raine on 04/16/2009 23:40:07
Raine on 04/16/2009 23:40:07
Liv, I was shocked that she was on Ed's show at all...
Comment by Mondobubba on 04/17/2009 00:00:12
Mondobubba on 04/17/2009 00:00:12
I think Tweety has crush on Sarah Palin. :chicka bow bow:
Comment by livingonli on 04/17/2009 00:08:01
livingonli on 04/17/2009 00:08:01
Considering some of his comments, he definitely has the eye. I wonder if he has the hots for any other Republican politician or pundit?
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2009 00:41:08
Raine on 04/17/2009 00:41:08
Ok, and here is where I say something completly inflammaotry.
Just got done listening to KO's special comment. And yes I agree. (altho I have also tried to understand the notion of immunity for those that were in the CIA that tortured)
Nowhere has Obama said the people who implemented this policy were not going to be prosecuted. This is now up to the Congress. There is a drip that is happening...
That said, I really do not think the first Black President is going to put Dubya in jail. Could you imagine what would happen in this country?
Just got done listening to KO's special comment. And yes I agree. (altho I have also tried to understand the notion of immunity for those that were in the CIA that tortured)
Nowhere has Obama said the people who implemented this policy were not going to be prosecuted. This is now up to the Congress. There is a drip that is happening...
That said, I really do not think the first Black President is going to put Dubya in jail. Could you imagine what would happen in this country?
Comment by Raine on 04/17/2009 00:41:39
Raine on 04/17/2009 00:41:39
Janeane! I love her!
Comment by livingonli on 04/17/2009 00:54:02
livingonli on 04/17/2009 00:54:02
I wonder what Rachel is going to say?