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Ask a Vet
Author: TriSec
Date: 05/12/2009 10:37:18
Good Morning.
Today is our 2,246th day in Iraq.
We'll start this morning as we always do, with the latest casualty figures from Iraq and Afghanistan, courtesy of Antiwar.com:
American Deaths
Since war began (3/19/03): 4294
Since "Mission Accomplished" (5/1/03): 4155
Since Capture of Saddam (12/13/03): 3833
Since Handover (6/29/04): 3435
Since Obama Inauguration (1/20/09): 66
Other Coalition Troops - Iraq: 318
US Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 682
Other Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 463
Journalists - Iraq: 138
Contractor Employee Deaths - Iraq: 1,306
We find this morning's cost of war passing through:
$ 855, 989, 890, 000 .00
The news speaks for itself today:
IAVA has issued a statement:
Earlier in the week, IAVA announced its endorsement of Senate Bill S.711, the "Post-Deployment Health Assessment Act". You should certainly call or write your Senators about this.
Today is our 2,246th day in Iraq.
We'll start this morning as we always do, with the latest casualty figures from Iraq and Afghanistan, courtesy of Antiwar.com:
American Deaths
Since war began (3/19/03): 4294
Since "Mission Accomplished" (5/1/03): 4155
Since Capture of Saddam (12/13/03): 3833
Since Handover (6/29/04): 3435
Since Obama Inauguration (1/20/09): 66
Other Coalition Troops - Iraq: 318
US Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 682
Other Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 463
Journalists - Iraq: 138
Contractor Employee Deaths - Iraq: 1,306
We find this morning's cost of war passing through:
The news speaks for itself today:
BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- A U.S. soldier fired on his fellow troops at a counseling center at a base outside Baghdad on Monday, U.S. officials said, killing five people in the worst such attack of the six-year war.
U.S. Army troops get a safety briefing before departing Camp Liberty, Iraq, in December 2008.
U.S. Army troops get a safety briefing before departing Camp Liberty, Iraq, in December 2008.
The shooting occurred at 2 p.m. at a stress clinic at Camp Liberty, near Baghdad's international airport, two senior defense officials said. Though initial reports indicated the attacker was killed in the incident, the U.S. command in Baghdad said late Monday that a suspect in the killings was in custody.
"Any time we lose one of our own, it affects us all," Col. John Robinson, a U.S. military spokesman, said in a written statement. "Our hearts go out to the families and friends of all the service members involved in this terrible tragedy."
Neither the suspect nor any of the victims had been identified, but a defense official with access to the latest reports on the incident told CNN that the suspect had been a patient at the treatment center.
"Preliminary reports show the soldier was was being escorted to the clinic, for reasons not yet explained," an Army official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, told the Army Times.
"Once inside, he got into a verbal altercation with the staff and was asked to leave. The soldier and his escort got back into their vehicle and began to drive away.
"At some point during the drive, the soldier got control of his escort's weapon and ordered the escort out of the vehicle," the official said, according to the Times. "The soldier then drove back to the clinic, walked in and began shooting."
In Washington, the White House said President Obama was shocked by the attack.
"The president's heart goes out to the families and friends of all the service members involved in this horrible tragedy," White House spokesman Robert Gibbs told reporters.
"He was shocked by the news of this incident and will press to ensure that we fully understand what happened at the clinic, and that we are doing everything we can to ensure that our men and women in uniform are protected."
The president planned to bring up the issue in a meeting with Defense Secretary Robert Gates, Gibbs said. Gates expressed his own "horror and deep regret" Monday afternoon. Video Watch the defense secretary talk about the incident »
"We are still in the process of gathering information on exactly what happened," Gates said. "But if the preliminary reports are confirmed, such a tragic loss of life at the hands of our own forces is a cause for great and urgent concern. And I can assure you that it will get this department's highest-priority attention."
Camp Liberty is tightly guarded, and U.S. troops are required to clear their weapons of ammunition while on the base. The only service members who have loaded weapons are those guarding high-ranking officers and military police.
Monday's attack marks the sixth incident in which a service member was killed by a fellow service member since the launch of Operation Iraqi Freedom, the March 2003 invasion of Iraq.
IAVA has issued a statement:
"The events at Camp Liberty today are a great tragedy. The friends and families of those killed have suffered a terrible loss, and our thoughts are with them during this difficult time.
Unlike during the Vietnam War, today’s military is a professional, all-volunteer force. There have been only five cases of intentional fratricide by U.S. service members in Iraq. But these incidents, however rare, draw public attention to an important issue: the enormous stress on our armed forces. Many troops are under great psychological strain and are not receiving the treatment they need. Over 600,000 troops have served more than one combat tour since 9/11. Military suicide rates have hit record highs every year since 2003. Much more must be done to address troops’ psychological injuries before they reach a crisis point.”
Earlier in the week, IAVA announced its endorsement of Senate Bill S.711, the "Post-Deployment Health Assessment Act". You should certainly call or write your Senators about this.
Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America is honored to offer our full support behind S. 711, the Post-Deployment Health Assessment Act (PDHAA) of 2009, which will require in-person mental health screenings for deploying servicemembers. Mandatory face to face screenings for all returning combat veterans is one of IAVA’s top legislative priorities and we believe that the PDHAA will cast a wide and sturdy safety net for our returning heroes.
Research has only verified what every returning veteran already knows: that no one goes to combat and comes home unchanged. 20% of all veterans who have deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan have screened positive for combat stress injuries, and less than half of those who suffer from PTSD have been treated.
As a country we must act swiftly and decisively to ensure that every returning veteran gets an opportunity to fully reintegrate. This legislation would require multiple in-person mental health screenings for all returning servicemembers, before a deployment, post-deployment and every year following the deployment. This screening would identify symptoms of combat stress injuries, such as Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD), depression and anxiety. With the surge of veterans returning from Iraq and Afghanistan, we have an opportunity with this legislation to identify those in need and help them access the care they require.
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Comment by 
TriSec on 05/12/2009 10:44:08
TriSec on 05/12/2009 10:44:08
And lastly this morning, the item you've been waiting for.....updates from my first day!
Traffic to the office was surprisingly heavy yesterday....but I go through a highway intersection that's been under construction for over a year. Perhaps one day it will lighten up.
I was escorted in by HR; did all my paperwork and had my picture taken. Curiously....I was the only new hire of the day. I've been to other places where there's at least a handful of newbies....but I was flying solo today.
I was met by a member of my team and escorted down to my new desk. I nearly fell over; I have an 8 x 8 with acres of desktop (compared to the postage stamp I used to have), I'm at the end of a row with a floor-to-ceiling window overlooking the woods, and they gave me a laptop! There's some good stuff in the "perks" department right there.
Alas....I'm in an internet dead zone. I had some problem with .pdf files and tried to download Adobe; no luck. I checked a couple of my news websites, and those were OK.....curious. After lunch, I cautiously checked the blog and my Scout email; locked out. So there's one perk athena has over this place. I never even bothered to check Facebook. There's no IM, either.
Ah well, at least I have my phone! (FB me, and I"m "TriSec13" on Twitter...)
Today, I'm going to check a couple of streaming sites, but as I have observed radios and iPod docks on several desks, I'm not optimistic.
So I suppose this means the end of my career as a daytime blogger. :kickcan:
Traffic to the office was surprisingly heavy yesterday....but I go through a highway intersection that's been under construction for over a year. Perhaps one day it will lighten up.
I was escorted in by HR; did all my paperwork and had my picture taken. Curiously....I was the only new hire of the day. I've been to other places where there's at least a handful of newbies....but I was flying solo today.
I was met by a member of my team and escorted down to my new desk. I nearly fell over; I have an 8 x 8 with acres of desktop (compared to the postage stamp I used to have), I'm at the end of a row with a floor-to-ceiling window overlooking the woods, and they gave me a laptop! There's some good stuff in the "perks" department right there.
Alas....I'm in an internet dead zone. I had some problem with .pdf files and tried to download Adobe; no luck. I checked a couple of my news websites, and those were OK.....curious. After lunch, I cautiously checked the blog and my Scout email; locked out. So there's one perk athena has over this place. I never even bothered to check Facebook. There's no IM, either.
Ah well, at least I have my phone! (FB me, and I"m "TriSec13" on Twitter...)
Today, I'm going to check a couple of streaming sites, but as I have observed radios and iPod docks on several desks, I'm not optimistic.
So I suppose this means the end of my career as a daytime blogger. :kickcan:
Comment by 
Scoopster on 05/12/2009 12:37:04
Scoopster on 05/12/2009 12:37:04
Morning guys! 
<- now that's a breakfast!
Ah the dreaded web filter.. It's OK Tri we know you're here in spirit.
<- now that's a breakfast!Ah the dreaded web filter.. It's OK Tri we know you're here in spirit.
Comment by 
wickedpam on 05/12/2009 12:38:53
wickedpam on 05/12/2009 12:38:53
MOrning :hug:
Tri I'm really happy you had a good first day! While it may have some internet disadvantages, it still sounds like you're in a better place then you were before. :hug:
Tri I'm really happy you had a good first day! While it may have some internet disadvantages, it still sounds like you're in a better place then you were before. :hug:
Comment by 
trojanrabbit on 05/12/2009 12:58:26
trojanrabbit on 05/12/2009 12:58:26
Congrats on the first day, Tri.
I suppose that's the always under construction Trapelo Road intersection off 128 (or is it Winter St.). Yeah, that seems to be taking MUCH longer than it should be.
I suppose that's the always under construction Trapelo Road intersection off 128 (or is it Winter St.). Yeah, that seems to be taking MUCH longer than it should be.
Comment by wickedpam on 05/12/2009 13:08:15
wickedpam on 05/12/2009 13:08:15
Dang Steph, you couldn't get Milo Ventimiglia who also works with Paul Rickoff? No offense to Scott Hamilton but Milo, much hotter
Comment by 
Random on 05/12/2009 13:15:16
Random on 05/12/2009 13:15:16
Random is confused.
Comment by 
BobR on 05/12/2009 13:24:52
so what else is new?
:P
BobR on 05/12/2009 13:24:52
Quote by Random:
Random is confused.
so what else is new?
:P
Comment by Random on 05/12/2009 13:27:51
Random on 05/12/2009 13:27:51
Fuck Jen.
Comment by Random on 05/12/2009 13:29:14
Random on 05/12/2009 13:29:14
I wonder if Trump will ask for miss california to get on his "Trump Tower"
I am throughally ashamed of that joke.
I am throughally ashamed of that joke.
Comment by 
Raine on 05/12/2009 13:40:39
I thought it was pretty funny.
Raine on 05/12/2009 13:40:39
Quote by Random:
I wonder if Trump will ask for miss california to get on his "Trump Tower"
I am throughally ashamed of that joke.
I thought it was pretty funny.
Comment by Raine on 05/12/2009 13:45:49
Raine on 05/12/2009 13:45:49
Liz Cheney was on Morning Joe -- totally pro waterboarding shite.
Seriously, why is ANYONE listening to this woman? WHY is SHE on TV?
Seriously, why is ANYONE listening to this woman? WHY is SHE on TV?
Comment by Random on 05/12/2009 13:51:47
Random on 05/12/2009 13:51:47
cause she's a Cheney.
And it was kind of sick...she spouted long since disproven talking points.
And it was kind of sick...she spouted long since disproven talking points.
Comment by Random on 05/12/2009 13:53:48
Random on 05/12/2009 13:53:48
Comment by 
starling310 on 05/12/2009 13:58:11
Web filters! Curses.
Another blogger falls victim to Big Brother.
starling310 on 05/12/2009 13:58:11
Quote by Scoopster:
Morning guys!
Ah the dreaded web filter.. It's OK Tri we know you're here in spirit.
Web filters! Curses.
Another blogger falls victim to Big Brother.
Comment by Random on 05/12/2009 13:58:22
Random on 05/12/2009 13:58:22
FYI.
Crist Will win.
Crist Will win.
Comment by Random on 05/12/2009 14:15:57
Random on 05/12/2009 14:15:57
Crist/christ...a joke we've been making here for years.
Comment by BobR on 05/12/2009 14:17:32
Anyone who is pro-waterboarding should be waterboarded until they admit that it actually IS torture...
BobR on 05/12/2009 14:17:32
Quote by Raine:
Liz Cheney was on Morning Joe -- totally pro waterboarding shite.
Seriously, why is ANYONE listening to this woman? WHY is SHE on TV?
Anyone who is pro-waterboarding should be waterboarded until they admit that it actually IS torture...
Comment by wickedpam on 05/12/2009 14:20:04
wickedpam on 05/12/2009 14:20:04
I've read the the Constitution, even studied it in school. It was very important to my teacher that we did that
Comment by Raine on 05/12/2009 14:21:55
Raine on 05/12/2009 14:21:55
HAH!
Seriously tho, you think he will win despite that little movie that just came out friday? This one.
Seriously tho, you think he will win despite that little movie that just came out friday? This one.
Comment by Raine on 05/12/2009 14:22:37
Raine on 05/12/2009 14:22:37
No it doesn't Pete. It does not say that at all.
Comment by Random on 05/12/2009 14:25:16
Random on 05/12/2009 14:25:16
So...Torture is okay, because they aren't in uniform?
Right...Well...that's...just...well...Random has no comment...fuck the caller. I know...that was a comment.
Right...Well...that's...just...well...Random has no comment...fuck the caller. I know...that was a comment.
Comment by Raine on 05/12/2009 14:30:48
Raine on 05/12/2009 14:30:48
Pete was wrong on every damned level. Screw pete.
Comment by starling310 on 05/12/2009 14:30:52
I just skimmed it now, and I didn't see that either.
I did see this:
If an Armed Conflict is a.k.a a "War" like the "War on Terrah" for example, then I guess those prisoners fall into the "P.O.W." category.
That's what happens when you create a war on tactic. . . it muddies the water.
starling310 on 05/12/2009 14:30:52
Quote by Raine:
No it doesn't Pete. It does not say that at all.
I just skimmed it now, and I didn't see that either.
I did see this:
In the case of armed conflict not of an international character occurring in the territory of one of the High Contracting Parties, each party to the conflict shall be bound to apply, as a minimum, the following provisions:
1. Persons taking no active part in the hostilities, including members of armed forces who have laid down their arms and those placed hors de combat by sickness, wounds, detention, or any other cause, shall in all circumstances be treated humanely, without any adverse distinction founded on race, colour, religion or faith, sex, birth or wealth, or any other similar criteria.
To this end the following acts are and shall remain prohibited at any time and in any place whatsoever with respect to the above-mentioned persons:
(a) Violence to life and person, in particular murder of all kinds, mutilation, cruel treatment and torture;
If an Armed Conflict is a.k.a a "War" like the "War on Terrah" for example, then I guess those prisoners fall into the "P.O.W." category.
That's what happens when you create a war on tactic. . . it muddies the water.
Comment by Random on 05/12/2009 14:31:54
I think that movie will get very little circulation.
I think Charlie Crist is a moderate, and well liked in Florida.
I think Crist has a very good chance of taking the seat that once held Martinez.
Random on 05/12/2009 14:31:54
Quote by Raine:
HAH!
Seriously tho, you think he will win despite that little movie that just came out friday? This one.
I think that movie will get very little circulation.
I think Charlie Crist is a moderate, and well liked in Florida.
I think Crist has a very good chance of taking the seat that once held Martinez.
Comment by Random on 05/12/2009 14:37:38
Random on 05/12/2009 14:37:38
weren't a lot of combatants in Korea and Vietnam not in uniform?
Comment by Raine on 05/12/2009 14:38:16
Raine on 05/12/2009 14:38:16
Exactly It is really important to remember that it was the B*sh adminsitration who decided to start calling them Enemy combatants. They did this specifically to skirt the law.
Aside from the Geneva Conventions, the Army Field Manual ALSO specifies what is torture and how we are to treat POW's. The issue (among many --) is that they never wanted to call them POWs.
It is really important to remember that it was the B*sh adminsitration who decided to start calling them Enemy combatants. They did this specifically to skirt the law. Aside from the Geneva Conventions, the Army Field Manual ALSO specifies what is torture and how we are to treat POW's. The issue (among many --) is that they never wanted to call them POWs.
Comment by Raine on 05/12/2009 14:39:46
yes. What the B*sh admin did was say that these people don't have a *State* or Country-- as it were.
That was why they VERY specifically called it Al Qaeda in Iraq. They created a red herring to skirt the Geneva conventiosn AND the constitution.
Raine on 05/12/2009 14:39:46
Quote by Random:
weren't a lot of combatants in Korea and Vietnam not in uniform?
yes. What the B*sh admin did was say that these people don't have a *State* or Country-- as it were.
That was why they VERY specifically called it Al Qaeda in Iraq. They created a red herring to skirt the Geneva conventiosn AND the constitution.
Comment by wickedpam on 05/12/2009 14:39:54
wickedpam on 05/12/2009 14:39:54
Oh wow - I had the same type thing as Scott Hamilton (the pituitary one)
Comment by Random on 05/12/2009 14:41:53
Random on 05/12/2009 14:41:53
Tanya Harding?
Comment by Raine on 05/12/2009 14:42:29
Well I have to say that Florida could do worse than Crist. Rush will crucify him tho.
Raine on 05/12/2009 14:42:29
Quote by Random:
I think that movie will get very little circulation.
I think Charlie Crist is a moderate, and well liked in Florida.
I think Crist has a very good chance of taking the seat that once held Martinez.
Comment by Random on 05/12/2009 14:44:00
Random on 05/12/2009 14:44:00
...>< Nancy...poor poor Nancy...
still don't like her.
still don't like her.
Comment by Raine on 05/12/2009 14:49:09
Raine on 05/12/2009 14:49:09
:banana: Push it! :prince:
Comment by Random on 05/12/2009 14:49:52
Well, between Crist and Jeb, I'll take the closeted orange one.
Random on 05/12/2009 14:49:52
Quote by Raine:Well I have to say that Florida could do worse than Crist. Rush will crucify him tho.Quote by Random:
I think that movie will get very little circulation.
I think Charlie Crist is a moderate, and well liked in Florida.
I think Crist has a very good chance of taking the seat that once held Martinez.
Well, between Crist and Jeb, I'll take the closeted orange one.
Comment by Raine on 05/12/2009 14:50:39
Raine on 05/12/2009 14:50:39
There it is: Article 3.
Those silly facts getting in the way of Pete's delusions.
Those silly facts getting in the way of Pete's delusions.
Comment by Random on 05/12/2009 14:53:12
Random on 05/12/2009 14:53:12
MORE FART JOKES CHRIS!
Comment by Raine on 05/12/2009 14:54:43
Raine on 05/12/2009 14:54:43
Oh man. I agree with Chris. I would never have the balls to call them up and tell them who they should book.
They do a great show.
They do a great show.
Comment by wickedpam on 05/12/2009 14:56:39
wickedpam on 05/12/2009 14:56:39
what is it with all these serious peeps this morning....
Comment by Raine on 05/12/2009 14:57:07
Raine on 05/12/2009 14:57:07
:foil:
Comment by Random on 05/12/2009 14:57:30
Random on 05/12/2009 14:57:30
I do dislike the woman.
Comment by Raine on 05/12/2009 14:57:38
Raine on 05/12/2009 14:57:38
WTF is with these people today?
Comment by starling310 on 05/12/2009 14:57:53
starling310 on 05/12/2009 14:57:53
If you don't want to be equated with Sadaam Hussein, don't act like Sadaam Hussein.
It's really quite simple.
It's really quite simple.
Comment by Raine on 05/12/2009 14:58:21
Raine on 05/12/2009 14:58:21
Dennis setting up the false positive Debate. Also known as STRAWMAN.
Comment by Raine on 05/12/2009 14:59:43
Raine on 05/12/2009 14:59:43
Comment by Random on 05/12/2009 14:59:54
Random on 05/12/2009 14:59:54
I'm for releasing the photos. because well...it's not like they don't know we did it. Really, the moral threshold is pictures of the act, not the act, not the acknoledgement of the act, not the refusal to denounce the act. No...it's the pictures of the act...F****d up mentality there.
Comment by Raine on 05/12/2009 15:06:49
I swear I think there is something psychologically wrong with these people.
The pictures exist, release them and get it over with. I swear people like Dennis probably think that if you don't actually see a bear shitting in the woods, then it means a bear doesn't shit in the woods.
Well guess what? The bear shits in the woods. Pretending it doesn't won't change that fact.
Raine on 05/12/2009 15:06:49
Quote by Random:
I'm for releasing the photos. because well...it's not like they don't know we did it. Really, the moral threshold is pictures of the act, not the act, not the acknoledgement of the act, not the refusal to denounce the act. No...it's the pictures of the act...F****d up mentality there.
I swear I think there is something psychologically wrong with these people.
The pictures exist, release them and get it over with. I swear people like Dennis probably think that if you don't actually see a bear shitting in the woods, then it means a bear doesn't shit in the woods.
Well guess what? The bear shits in the woods. Pretending it doesn't won't change that fact.
Comment by Raine on 05/12/2009 15:08:47
Raine on 05/12/2009 15:08:47
ROFL. David Shuster just said: "Tami Farrell, Miss CA runner up to Prejean: "She was binded by contractural obligations..." Umm, it's BOUND BY...BOUND BY. Good grief."
Comment by Random on 05/12/2009 15:11:00
as Dana Carvey once said (doingMickey ANDY Rooney) "Not always, a Polar bear will shit on ice. Sometimes a Circus bear will shit his tuxedo."
Random on 05/12/2009 15:11:00
Quote by Raine:Quote by Random:
I'm for releasing the photos. because well...it's not like they don't know we did it. Really, the moral threshold is pictures of the act, not the act, not the acknoledgement of the act, not the refusal to denounce the act. No...it's the pictures of the act...F****d up mentality there.
I swear I think there is something psychologically wrong with these people.
The pictures exist, release them and get it over with. I swear people like Dennis probably think that if you don't actually see a bear shitting in the woods, then it means a bear doesn't shit in the woods.
Well guess what? The bear shits in the woods. Pretending it doesn't won't change that fact.
as Dana Carvey once said (doing
Comment by Raine on 05/12/2009 15:13:00
Raine on 05/12/2009 15:13:00
:facepalm: oh Random! :D
Comment by wickedpam on 05/12/2009 15:15:53
wickedpam on 05/12/2009 15:15:53
Im with Chris I think she's gonna keep the crown
Comment by Raine on 05/12/2009 15:16:36
Raine on 05/12/2009 15:16:36
He won't fire her.
:rofl:
:rofl:
Comment by Raine on 05/12/2009 15:17:13
Raine on 05/12/2009 15:17:13
I that is what I am hearing too.
He doesn't mind that she lied.
He doesn't mind that she lied.
Comment by Raine on 05/12/2009 15:17:37
Raine on 05/12/2009 15:17:37
This is so pathetic. Seriously.
Comment by starling310 on 05/12/2009 15:17:42
:rofl:
starling310 on 05/12/2009 15:17:42
Quote by Raine:
Well guess what? The bear shits in the woods. Pretending it doesn't won't change that fact.
:rofl:
Comment by Random on 05/12/2009 15:19:24
Random on 05/12/2009 15:19:24
what Random do?
Comment by Raine on 05/12/2009 15:23:50
the polar bear comment was funny!
Raine on 05/12/2009 15:23:50
Quote by Random:
what Random do?
the polar bear comment was funny!
Comment by wickedpam on 05/12/2009 15:25:56
wickedpam on 05/12/2009 15:25:56
In other words she's not going to change a thing. Other women has been stripped of their crowns for less, but she gets away with it? I really, really, really dispise people like this
Comment by Raine on 05/12/2009 15:26:12
Raine on 05/12/2009 15:26:12
So let me get this right, She thinks that her god is against Gay marriage and her god gave her bad boobs -so she relaced then, she lied about nude photos and now Carrie is actually speaking about "how women can make a difference in the world." ?
She makes me sick. I usually don't give a rats ass about these beauty bimbos -- but I remember a few years ago, Vanessa Williams was dethroned for a LOT less.
She makes me sick. I usually don't give a rats ass about these beauty bimbos -- but I remember a few years ago, Vanessa Williams was dethroned for a LOT less.
Comment by Raine on 05/12/2009 15:27:07
Raine on 05/12/2009 15:27:07
Keep talking Carrie, you ain't seen nothing yet honey cakes. you little intolerant.
Comment by Raine on 05/12/2009 15:28:25
Raine on 05/12/2009 15:28:25
Mutual Faith and Fair Dealing?
HUH?
HUH?
Comment by Random on 05/12/2009 15:30:08
well, it's Dana Carvey's. From his stand-up special at the end of last year. "Squatting Monkey's tell no lies" It's funny.
Oh...and Random will have disagree with Chris, on the trimming of beaver. << >> DAMN i suck at double entendre's.
Random on 05/12/2009 15:30:08
Quote by Raine:Quote by Random:
what Random do?
the polar bear comment was funny!
well, it's Dana Carvey's. From his stand-up special at the end of last year. "Squatting Monkey's tell no lies" It's funny.
Oh...and Random will have disagree with Chris, on the trimming of beaver. << >> DAMN i suck at double entendre's.
Comment by wickedpam on 05/12/2009 15:30:08
wickedpam on 05/12/2009 15:30:08
I stopped caring about the beauty pagents when hit my teens, I just really don't like it when people don't play with the same rules. Its a HUGE pet peeve of mine
Comment by wickedpam on 05/12/2009 15:34:50
wickedpam on 05/12/2009 15:34:50
Chris sounds pissed
Comment by Random on 05/12/2009 15:34:57
Look at it this way...those winners, in ten years, will be turning tricks in trailer parks.
Random on 05/12/2009 15:34:57
Quote by wickedpam:
I stopped caring about the beauty pagents when hit my teens, I just really don't like it when people don't play with the same rules. Its a HUGE pet peeve of mine
Look at it this way...those winners, in ten years, will be turning tricks in trailer parks.
Comment by Random on 05/12/2009 15:36:27
Random on 05/12/2009 15:36:27
...Dick Cheney...Love...country...Random is...uh...*drops dead*
Comment by Raine on 05/12/2009 15:37:29
Raine on 05/12/2009 15:37:29
Did Rush say anything about Wanda yesterday? Does anyone know?
Comment by Random on 05/12/2009 15:38:12
Random on 05/12/2009 15:38:12
*from the grave*
Ohhh Michael...so sorry...
Ohhh Michael...so sorry...
Comment by Scoopster on 05/12/2009 15:42:02
And Vanessa Williams had nice lookin' boobs that God gave her too.
Scoopster on 05/12/2009 15:42:02
Quote by Raine:
So let me get this right, She thinks that her god is against Gay marriage and her god gave her bad boobs -so she relaced then, she lied about nude photos and now Carrie is actually speaking about "how women can make a difference in the world." ?
She makes me sick. I usually don't give a rats ass about these beauty bimbos -- but I remember a few years ago, Vanessa Williams was dethroned for a LOT less.
And Vanessa Williams had nice lookin' boobs that God gave her too.
Comment by 
livingonli on 05/12/2009 15:42:53
livingonli on 05/12/2009 15:42:53
Good morning everyone.
Didn't sleep too well last night. A lot of off and on.
So, I wonder if the casting couch was involved in the meeting between Carrie and the Donald?
Didn't sleep too well last night. A lot of off and on.
So, I wonder if the casting couch was involved in the meeting between Carrie and the Donald?
Comment by Raine on 05/12/2009 15:42:55
Raine on 05/12/2009 15:42:55
The geneva Convention is a lot like fashion week in Bryant Park, yes? It is about the fashions! FABULOUS!
Comment by Raine on 05/12/2009 15:43:42
You know I think they were au natural...
Raine on 05/12/2009 15:43:42
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Raine:
So let me get this right, She thinks that her god is against Gay marriage and her god gave her bad boobs -so she relaced then, she lied about nude photos and now Carrie is actually speaking about "how women can make a difference in the world." ?
She makes me sick. I usually don't give a rats ass about these beauty bimbos -- but I remember a few years ago, Vanessa Williams was dethroned for a LOT less.
And Vanessa Williams had nice lookin' boobs that God gave her too.
Comment by wickedpam on 05/12/2009 15:49:11
wickedpam on 05/12/2009 15:49:11
TMZ has new pix from last year
Comment by livingonli on 05/12/2009 15:49:30
It's very easy to go there.
livingonli on 05/12/2009 15:49:30
Quote by Raine:Quote by Random:
I wonder if Trump will ask for miss california to get on his "Trump Tower"
I am throughally ashamed of that joke.
I thought it was pretty funny.
It's very easy to go there.
Comment by Random on 05/12/2009 15:50:02
Random on 05/12/2009 15:50:02
CHRIS STOP MESSING WITH MY FANTASIES!
Comment by livingonli on 05/12/2009 15:57:14
The homophobes will blow him up in the GOP primary.
livingonli on 05/12/2009 15:57:14
Quote by Raine:
HAH!
Seriously tho, you think he will win despite that little movie that just came out friday? This one.
The homophobes will blow him up in the GOP primary.
Comment by livingonli on 05/12/2009 16:05:49
...if not sooner.
livingonli on 05/12/2009 16:05:49
Quote by Random:Quote by wickedpam:
I stopped caring about the beauty pagents when hit my teens, I just really don't like it when people don't play with the same rules. Its a HUGE pet peeve of mine
Look at it this way...those winners, in ten years, will be turning tricks in trailer parks.
...if not sooner.
Comment by trojanrabbit on 05/12/2009 16:08:32
trojanrabbit on 05/12/2009 16:08:32
Maybe Carrie's boobs were replaced with material that conforms to the most rigorous Chinese quality control standards.
Somehow I'm not hating myself for typing that.
Somehow I'm not hating myself for typing that.
Comment by Raine on 05/12/2009 16:43:18
{{{ snicker }}}
Raine on 05/12/2009 16:43:18
Quote by trojanrabbit:
Maybe Carrie's boobs were replaced with material that conforms to the most rigorous Chinese quality control standards.
Somehow I'm not hating myself for typing that.
Comment by livingonli on 05/12/2009 16:51:28
But are they huge, HUGE?
livingonli on 05/12/2009 16:51:28
Quote by Raine:{{{ snicker }}}Quote by trojanrabbit:
Maybe Carrie's boobs were replaced with material that conforms to the most rigorous Chinese quality control standards.
Somehow I'm not hating myself for typing that.
But are they huge, HUGE?
Comment by Raine on 05/12/2009 16:52:29
Raine on 05/12/2009 16:52:29
Comment by Raine on 05/12/2009 16:56:52
Raine on 05/12/2009 16:56:52
:thud: Seriously, Why is Liz Cheney-- LIZ CHENEY talking about Torture?!?!?!?!
Comment by Scoopster on 05/12/2009 16:59:11
Yep and they were egged on by Boston's finest morning radio turds.
Scoopster on 05/12/2009 16:59:11
Quote by Raine:Teabaggers Stalk Janeane.
Yep and they were egged on by Boston's finest morning radio turds.
Comment by wickedpam on 05/12/2009 17:06:10
wickedpam on 05/12/2009 17:06:10
Glad to see she was calm cool and collected with these people and kept hitting the point of where have these people been for the last 8 years
Comment by Raine on 05/12/2009 17:14:37
Raine on 05/12/2009 17:14:37
Comment by BobR on 05/12/2009 17:19:38
Vanessa Williams was dethroned because of pictures of her in bondage gear with her cooter lips hanging out. I also believe in Ms. Williams' case, it was Miss America not Miss USA, and perhaps they have higher standards...
BobR on 05/12/2009 17:19:38
Quote by Raine:
So let me get this right, She thinks that her god is against Gay marriage and her god gave her bad boobs -so she relaced then, she lied about nude photos and now Carrie is actually speaking about "how women can make a difference in the world." ?
She makes me sick. I usually don't give a rats ass about these beauty bimbos -- but I remember a few years ago, Vanessa Williams was dethroned for a LOT less.
Vanessa Williams was dethroned because of pictures of her in bondage gear with her cooter lips hanging out. I also believe in Ms. Williams' case, it was Miss America not Miss USA, and perhaps they have higher standards...
Comment by Raine on 05/12/2009 17:19:38
Raine on 05/12/2009 17:19:38
Excellent, Raw Story is coming up with the Video of Schuster asking if he can Vomit (re: Miss California!)
Comment by Raine on 05/12/2009 17:28:44
Oh. Well then. NOW I get it! 
Raine on 05/12/2009 17:28:44
Quote by BobR:Quote by Raine:
So let me get this right, She thinks that her god is against Gay marriage and her god gave her bad boobs -so she relaced then, she lied about nude photos and now Carrie is actually speaking about "how women can make a difference in the world." ?
She makes me sick. I usually don't give a rats ass about these beauty bimbos -- but I remember a few years ago, Vanessa Williams was dethroned for a LOT less.
Vanessa Williams was dethroned because of pictures of her in bondage gear with her cooter lips hanging out. I also believe in Ms. Williams' case, it was Miss America not Miss USA, and perhaps they have higher standards...
Comment by Raine on 05/12/2009 17:30:23
GO DAVID SHUSTER!!!
Raine on 05/12/2009 17:30:23
Quote by Raine:
Excellent, Raw Story is coming up with the Video of Schuster asking if he can Vomit (re: Miss California!)
GO DAVID SHUSTER!!!
Comment by trojanrabbit on 05/12/2009 17:30:45
trojanrabbit on 05/12/2009 17:30:45
Scoopster, would these right wing turds happen to be Fatty & the Forehead (aka Dennis & Callahan)?
Comment by BobR on 05/12/2009 17:32:04
BobR on 05/12/2009 17:32:04
Quote by Raine:Quote by Raine:
Excellent, Raw Story is coming up with the Video of Schuster asking if he can Vomit (re: Miss California!)
GO DAVID SHUSTER!!!
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Comment by starling310 on 05/12/2009 17:37:35
I liked how she kept saying "No, I didn't say that...You're saying that."
God love her!
starling310 on 05/12/2009 17:37:35
Quote by wickedpam:
Glad to see she was calm cool and collected with these people and kept hitting the point of where have these people been for the last 8 years
I liked how she kept saying "No, I didn't say that...You're saying that."
God love her!
Comment by starling310 on 05/12/2009 17:42:16
starling310 on 05/12/2009 17:42:16
Not well said because being Gay doesn't mean you aren't "Holding up righteousness," or whatever. You are gay, or not. It has nothing to do with Morality.
There are good Gay people and Gay dickheads.
There are good Straight people and straight dickheads.
There are good Gay people and Gay dickheads.
There are good Straight people and straight dickheads.
Comment by starling310 on 05/12/2009 17:44:46
starling310 on 05/12/2009 17:44:46
YAY THOM!! Just gave Momma props!
Comment by Scoopster on 05/12/2009 18:12:13
Scoopster on 05/12/2009 18:12:13
Quote by trojanrabbit:
Scoopster, would these right wing turds happen to be Fatty & the Forehead (aka Dennis & Callahan)?
Comment by Raine on 05/12/2009 18:18:17
Raine on 05/12/2009 18:18:17
Quote by starling310:
Not well said because being Gay doesn't mean you aren't "Holding up righteousness," or whatever. You are gay, or not. It has nothing to do with Morality.
There are good Gay people and Gay dickheads.
There are good Straight people and straight dickheads.
Comment by Raine on 05/12/2009 18:26:08
Raine on 05/12/2009 18:26:08
:spit: Thom has to force himself to say Boehner correctly!
Comment by livingonli on 05/12/2009 18:29:19
What did he mention about her?
livingonli on 05/12/2009 18:29:19
Quote by starling310:
YAY THOM!! Just gave Momma props!
What did he mention about her?
Comment by trojanrabbit on 05/12/2009 18:30:58
Why am I not surprised?
trojanrabbit on 05/12/2009 18:30:58
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by trojanrabbit:
Scoopster, would these right wing turds happen to be Fatty & the Forehead (aka Dennis & Callahan)?
Why am I not surprised?
Comment by trojanrabbit on 05/12/2009 18:36:41
I'll have to wait until 4:44 to find out (we're on 3 hour delay).
trojanrabbit on 05/12/2009 18:36:41
Quote by livingonli:Quote by starling310:
YAY THOM!! Just gave Momma props!
What did he mention about her?
I'll have to wait until 4:44 to find out (we're on 3 hour delay).
Comment by Scoopster on 05/12/2009 18:39:49
I've asked the bus driver to change the station when I'm on in the morning but he refuses.
Scoopster on 05/12/2009 18:39:49
Quote by trojanrabbit:Quote by Scoopster:Quote by trojanrabbit:
Scoopster, would these right wing turds happen to be Fatty & the Forehead (aka Dennis & Callahan)?
Why am I not surprised?
I've asked the bus driver to change the station when I'm on in the morning but he refuses.
Comment by livingonli on 05/12/2009 18:40:21
Just like XM.
livingonli on 05/12/2009 18:40:21
Quote by trojanrabbit:Quote by livingonli:Quote by starling310:
YAY THOM!! Just gave Momma props!
What did he mention about her?
I'll have to wait until 4:44 to find out (we're on 3 hour delay).
Just like XM.
Comment by trojanrabbit on 05/12/2009 18:54:26
Fortunately I don't refuse when I ask myself to change the station.
trojanrabbit on 05/12/2009 18:54:26
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by trojanrabbit:Quote by Scoopster:Quote by trojanrabbit:
Scoopster, would these right wing turds happen to be Fatty & the Forehead (aka Dennis & Callahan)?
Why am I not surprised?
I've asked the bus driver to change the station when I'm on in the morning but he refuses.
Fortunately I don't refuse when I ask myself to change the station.
Comment by starling310 on 05/12/2009 19:00:03
He quoted her "You got your church in My state" line.
starling310 on 05/12/2009 19:00:03
Quote by livingonli:Quote by starling310:
YAY THOM!! Just gave Momma props!
What did he mention about her?
He quoted her "You got your church in My state" line.
Comment by livingonli on 05/12/2009 19:00:41
livingonli on 05/12/2009 19:00:41
Time to go head off to the salt mine.
Comment by Raine on 05/12/2009 19:11:05
Raine on 05/12/2009 19:11:05
Ouch! Ed hurt my ears! Where is my Randi Link? :D
Comment by Raine on 05/12/2009 19:27:50
Raine on 05/12/2009 19:27:50
Randi is back to business today. I am such a happy camper. Believe it or not, I can't wait for her to piss me off! :)
Comment by starling310 on 05/12/2009 19:59:44
starling310 on 05/12/2009 19:59:44
Last night I learned about a statistic of the "WAR" in Iraq that I wasn't aware of and that causes me great distress, to say the least.
Your humble was invited to read the first 20 pages of a new play that a playwright I know has begun writing. She wrote it with me in mind to play the lead female Maren. Maren is a soldier, home on Medical leave from the war in Iraq.
This woman is a great writer, she has been produced in NYC, etc. Needless to say, I am honored and excited!
What I didn't know was what had inspired her to write the play.
Did you know that female soldiers are dying of dehydration, because they aren't drinking in late afternoon, for fear of being raped on the way to the latrine at night?
Did you know that there has been a cover up to keep this from becoming a story?
The only article I can find is from January, 2006.
Has anyone else heard about this?
The playwright will be sending me her research to help me prepare for the role.
Yet another reason to bring them home and care for them once they get here.
Your humble
was invited to read the first 20 pages of a new play that a playwright I know has begun writing. She wrote it with me in mind to play the lead female Maren. Maren is a soldier, home on Medical leave from the war in Iraq. This woman is a great writer, she has been produced in NYC, etc. Needless to say, I am honored and excited!
What I didn't know was what had inspired her to write the play.
Did you know that female soldiers are dying of dehydration, because they aren't drinking in late afternoon, for fear of being raped on the way to the latrine at night?
Did you know that there has been a cover up to keep this from becoming a story?
The only article I can find is from January, 2006.
In a startling revelation, the former commander of Abu Ghraib prison testified that Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, former senior U.S. military commander in Iraq, gave orders to cover up the cause of death for some female American soldiers serving in Iraq.
Last week, Col. Janis Karpinski told a panel of judges at the Commission of Inquiry for Crimes against Humanity Committed by the Bush Administration in New York that several women had died of dehydration because they refused to drink liquids late in the day. They were afraid of being assaulted or even raped by male soldiers if they had to use the women's latrine after dark.
Continued. . .
Has anyone else heard about this?
The playwright will be sending me her research to help me prepare for the role.
Yet another reason to bring them home and care for them once they get here.
Comment by Mondobubba on 05/12/2009 20:00:05
That is part of the joy of being a Randi fan. There is that moment where she says or does something that makes you go RANDI, STFU! :)
Mondobubba on 05/12/2009 20:00:05
Quote by Raine:
Randi is back to business today. I am such a happy camper. Believe it or not, I can't wait for her to piss me off! :)
That is part of the joy of being a Randi fan. There is that moment where she says or does something that makes you go RANDI, STFU! :)
Comment by Mondobubba on 05/12/2009 20:04:14
Mondobubba on 05/12/2009 20:04:14
:scans to first post: Poor Tri. I do feel his pain. The weird thing about 4F is it comes up a "social networking site" on most of the filtering software. Which has more to say about the web host than 4F I think.
Comment by wickedpam on 05/12/2009 20:07:38
wickedpam on 05/12/2009 20:07:38
Randi doesn't know that the city was designed by L'Efant?
Comment by Scoopster on 05/12/2009 20:10:31
Scoopster on 05/12/2009 20:10:31
Actually I think it's more to do with how the website is optimized for search engines. Filters work off of a similar idea.
Comment by starling310 on 05/12/2009 20:11:56
starling310 on 05/12/2009 20:11:56
An eye for an eye makes everyone blind.
Comment by livingonli on 05/12/2009 20:41:38
It's been reported on Democracy Now! and in Alternet, but overall the news coverage on this has been very thin.
livingonli on 05/12/2009 20:41:38
Quote by starling310:
Last night I learned about a statistic of the "WAR" in Iraq that I wasn't aware of and that causes me great distress, to say the least.
Your humble
This woman is a great writer, she has been produced in NYC, etc. Needless to say, I am honored and excited!
What I didn't know was what had inspired her to write the play.
Did you know that female soldiers are dying of dehydration, because they aren't drinking in late afternoon, for fear of being raped on the way to the latrine at night?
Did you know that there has been a cover up to keep this from becoming a story?
The only article I can find is from January, 2006.In a startling revelation, the former commander of Abu Ghraib prison testified that Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, former senior U.S. military commander in Iraq, gave orders to cover up the cause of death for some female American soldiers serving in Iraq.
Last week, Col. Janis Karpinski told a panel of judges at the Commission of Inquiry for Crimes against Humanity Committed by the Bush Administration in New York that several women had died of dehydration because they refused to drink liquids late in the day. They were afraid of being assaulted or even raped by male soldiers if they had to use the women's latrine after dark.
Continued. . .
Has anyone else heard about this?
The playwright will be sending me her research to help me prepare for the role.
Yet another reason to bring them home and care for them once they get here.
It's been reported on Democracy Now! and in Alternet, but overall the news coverage on this has been very thin.
Comment by Raine on 05/12/2009 20:55:56
I have heard of this. The women in our military are treated with such incredible disrespect. I also recall a story the NYT Magazine did a few years back about this. The Army basically said the article was hogwash.
Raine on 05/12/2009 20:55:56
Quote by starling310:
Last night I learned about a statistic of the "WAR" in Iraq that I wasn't aware of and that causes me great distress, to say the least.
Your humble
This woman is a great writer, she has been produced in NYC, etc. Needless to say, I am honored and excited!
What I didn't know was what had inspired her to write the play.
Did you know that female soldiers are dying of dehydration, because they aren't drinking in late afternoon, for fear of being raped on the way to the latrine at night?
Did you know that there has been a cover up to keep this from becoming a story?
The only article I can find is from January, 2006.In a startling revelation, the former commander of Abu Ghraib prison testified that Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, former senior U.S. military commander in Iraq, gave orders to cover up the cause of death for some female American soldiers serving in Iraq.
Last week, Col. Janis Karpinski told a panel of judges at the Commission of Inquiry for Crimes against Humanity Committed by the Bush Administration in New York that several women had died of dehydration because they refused to drink liquids late in the day. They were afraid of being assaulted or even raped by male soldiers if they had to use the women's latrine after dark.
Continued. . .
Has anyone else heard about this?
The playwright will be sending me her research to help me prepare for the role.
Yet another reason to bring them home and care for them once they get here.
Comment by Raine on 05/12/2009 20:57:22
Raine on 05/12/2009 20:57:22
:star: -- I am so proud that you are taking on this role. I am happy that I know you.
Please can you keep me apprised of this story?
Please can you keep me apprised of this story?
Comment by TriSec on 05/13/2009 00:05:20
TriSec on 05/13/2009 00:05:20
Har-RUMPH!
I can't blog anymore, and we go over 100 posts?
OK, I see how it is.
: storms off :
: smashes things :
:kickcan:
I can't blog anymore, and we go over 100 posts?
OK, I see how it is.
: storms off :
: smashes things :
:kickcan:
Comment by BobR on 05/13/2009 00:55:15
TriSec mad!
TriSec SMASH!! ::hulk::
BobR on 05/13/2009 00:55:15
Quote by TriSec:
Har-RUMPH!
I can't blog anymore, and we go over 100 posts?
OK, I see how it is.
: storms off :
: smashes things :
:kickcan:
TriSec mad!
TriSec SMASH!! ::hulk::
Comment by livingonli on 05/13/2009 01:05:27
:hug: Then again this is from someone who is normally not on line before 11 AM.
livingonli on 05/13/2009 01:05:27
Quote by TriSec:
Har-RUMPH!
I can't blog anymore, and we go over 100 posts?
OK, I see how it is.
: storms off :
: smashes things :
:kickcan:
:hug: Then again this is from someone who is normally not on line before 11 AM.
Comment by Raine on 05/13/2009 04:55:30
Raine on 05/13/2009 04:55:30
giggle.
It's not you Tri -- it's Randi.
It's not you Tri -- it's Randi.