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No prob - I find those stats Tri posts rather compelling from week to week, even if I don't say anything about it
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No prob - I find those stats Tri posts rather compelling from week to week, even if I don't say anything about it
The cost of war site is frighteningly hypnotic... I rounded it off because it does just far too fast.
Since 1995, there have been more than 3,000 violations at Upper Big Branch, though it was not immediately clear how that compared to other mines of its size.
Of the $1.5 million in penalties MSHA proposed since 2007, Massey has actually paid less than $300,000.
[snip] Two citations from January for not having a proper plan to ventilate the mine, extracting methane and other chemicals from the air, could cost Massey more than $130,000 in fines. The company is contesting both those regulatory actions.
Such contests are the norm, O'Dell said, and they are part of the problem.
The company is required to fix problems inspectors find when they are found, but by keeping cases open, companies can prevent MSHA from establishing a so-called "pattern of violation," which could allow regulators to shut down the mine, O'Dell said.
"They can't put you on a pattern of violation and they can't close you down, but you can keep on violating that same law," he said.
As long as the company can keep the cases tied up, regulators can't build a case against them, he said.
Quote by Raine:
I want the CEO of this company to go to jail.Since 1995, there have been more than 3,000 violations at Upper Big Branch, though it was not immediately clear how that compared to other mines of its size.
Of the $1.5 million in penalties MSHA proposed since 2007, Massey has actually paid less than $300,000.
[snip] Two citations from January for not having a proper plan to ventilate the mine, extracting methane and other chemicals from the air, could cost Massey more than $130,000 in fines. The company is contesting both those regulatory actions.
Such contests are the norm, O'Dell said, and they are part of the problem.
The company is required to fix problems inspectors find when they are found, but by keeping cases open, companies can prevent MSHA from establishing a so-called "pattern of violation," which could allow regulators to shut down the mine, O'Dell said.
"They can't put you on a pattern of violation and they can't close you down, but you can keep on violating that same law," he said.
As long as the company can keep the cases tied up, regulators can't build a case against them, he said.
Here's a list of 22 Senator who support higher taxes, higher electric bills and fewer American jobs. http://qorv.is/feb
Congress is destroying the English language. They continue to misuse the word "reform." That word means to improve something, not tax it.
America doesn’t need Green jobs – but Red, White, & Blue ones.
The Sierra Club filed 983 lawsuits against the fed gov't over 9 years. They tie up the legal system AND private industry w/ frivolous suits.
Chain carrying environmental zealot Mike Rozelle apparently enjoys terrifying defenseless women. What a guy!
The EPA put 1,300 coal-related jobs in WV at risk by pulling 23 mining permits. Rahall should tell EPA there's a national recession.
Rahall says some are driven by “ugly profit motives”. He thinks profits are ugly?
In 2006, two miners died in a fire at Aracoma Mine after Blankenship personally waived company policy and told mine managers to ignore rules and “run coal.
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If the mine owners are found guilty of any crimes, I hope that they receive no special treatment. However, it may take years to deal with this tragedy in the legal system.
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What is the President thinking? If they piss us off, we should be able to nuke France!
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Good morning everyone.
I am really getting tired of the right-wing crazy train.
Sen. Tom Coburn, a staunch conservative from Oklahoma, is doing what seems almost unthinkable in this polarized political climate: Defending his Democratic colleagues from critics at Fox News.
At a town hall meeting, Coburn suggested that a woman who said "they can put us in prison" for not obtaining health insurance under the health care reform bill is misinformed.
"The intention is not to put anybody in jail," he said. "That makes for good TV news on Fox but that isn't the intention."
He also defended House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, the architect of the House version of the health care legislation that he fiercely opposed.
"I'm 180 degrees in opposition to the speaker -- she's a nice lady," he said. The crowd could be heard responding unfavorably to his characterization.
"Come on now, she is a nice -- how many of you all have met her?" continued Coburn. "She's a nice person. She's a nice person."
"Just because somebody disagrees with you doesn't mean they're not a good person," he added. He then discussed his own experience of being vilified before asking the crowd not to "catch yourself being biased by Fox News that somebody's no good."
"The people in Washington are good," he said. "They just don't know what they don't know."
Coburn's comments were recorded by radio station KGOU and reported by Capitol News Connection, where audio clips are posted.
The senator urged his audience to "stay informed on the issues" and not "just watch Fox News or CNN -- watch 'em both." He said he reads the New York Times, Washington Post and Wall Street Journal every day to "get a perspective" and "know what other people's thoughts are -- not just what I hear through a pipe channel."
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Is a calmer head finally prevailing?
I'll admit I don't know an awful lot about Tom Coburn (R-OK), but this kind of news is so rare, it's almost astonishing.
Sen. Tom Coburn, a staunch conservative from Oklahoma, is doing what seems almost unthinkable in this polarized political climate: Defending his Democratic colleagues from critics at Fox News.
At a town hall meeting, Coburn suggested that a woman who said "they can put us in prison" for not obtaining health insurance under the health care reform bill is misinformed.
"The intention is not to put anybody in jail," he said. "That makes for good TV news on Fox but that isn't the intention."
He also defended House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, the architect of the House version of the health care legislation that he fiercely opposed.
"I'm 180 degrees in opposition to the speaker -- she's a nice lady," he said. The crowd could be heard responding unfavorably to his characterization.
"Come on now, she is a nice -- how many of you all have met her?" continued Coburn. "She's a nice person. She's a nice person."
"Just because somebody disagrees with you doesn't mean they're not a good person," he added. He then discussed his own experience of being vilified before asking the crowd not to "catch yourself being biased by Fox News that somebody's no good."
"The people in Washington are good," he said. "They just don't know what they don't know."
Coburn's comments were recorded by radio station KGOU and reported by Capitol News Connection, where audio clips are posted.
The senator urged his audience to "stay informed on the issues" and not "just watch Fox News or CNN -- watch 'em both." He said he reads the New York Times, Washington Post and Wall Street Journal every day to "get a perspective" and "know what other people's thoughts are -- not just what I hear through a pipe channel."
Quote by TriSec:
Is a calmer head finally prevailing?
I'll admit I don't know an awful lot about Tom Coburn (R-OK), but this kind of news is so rare, it's almost astonishing.
Sen. Tom Coburn, a staunch conservative from Oklahoma, is doing what seems almost unthinkable in this polarized political climate: Defending his Democratic colleagues from critics at Fox News.
At a town hall meeting, Coburn suggested that a woman who said "they can put us in prison" for not obtaining health insurance under the health care reform bill is misinformed.
"The intention is not to put anybody in jail," he said. "That makes for good TV news on Fox but that isn't the intention."
He also defended House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, the architect of the House version of the health care legislation that he fiercely opposed.
"I'm 180 degrees in opposition to the speaker -- she's a nice lady," he said. The crowd could be heard responding unfavorably to his characterization.
"Come on now, she is a nice -- how many of you all have met her?" continued Coburn. "She's a nice person. She's a nice person."
"Just because somebody disagrees with you doesn't mean they're not a good person," he added. He then discussed his own experience of being vilified before asking the crowd not to "catch yourself being biased by Fox News that somebody's no good."
"The people in Washington are good," he said. "They just don't know what they don't know."
Coburn's comments were recorded by radio station KGOU and reported by Capitol News Connection, where audio clips are posted.
The senator urged his audience to "stay informed on the issues" and not "just watch Fox News or CNN -- watch 'em both." He said he reads the New York Times, Washington Post and Wall Street Journal every day to "get a perspective" and "know what other people's thoughts are -- not just what I hear through a pipe channel."