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Are we a nation of cowards?
Author: Raine
Date: 08/16/2010 12:30:34
Suddenly and quietly the Cordoba House, the planned muslim community outreach center that is proposed to be built in a former Burlington coat factory has morphed from the "Ground Zero Mosque to the "9/11 Mosque" Don't think this shift in messaging is an accident. The former Half Term Governor herself, in a tizzy of somewhat bigoted tweets also mentioned this phrase this weekend. here is a sample: She is asking for the President to be tolerant of intolerance. The irony is painful. She's not alone. CNN Contributor Erick Erikson Chimed into the so called controversy as well.
Personally, I don't care if the Mosque is built right on the alleged "hallowed Ground" of the World Trade Center or 2 blocks away. I don't care if a Christian Church is built there either. Right now, this so called sacred ground looks like this. Not very Sacred looking, is it? Of course it isn't, because it is being redeveloped for corporate use.
9/11 happened nearly 9 years ago and, while there is no longer a hole in the ground, the rebuilding process is extremely, painfully slow. I wrote this on 9/11 in 2008: Instead of outrage at the lack of progress there on that site, people are outraged that Muslims actually want to build a community center 2 blocks away from this sight. The outrage is so transparent it isn't even funny.
There's no denying the right is apoplectic about this so-called Mosque. I am reluctant to use the word, because as evidenced in the link above, it is far more than that.
For people who hold 9/11 sacred, they really don't seem to realize that it wasn't just Christians who died on 9/11. Some of the first responders at he sites of the attacks were of the Muslim faith. People of all faiths died on that horrible day. Al-Quaeda attacked America - not Islam. This should not be a religious issue. This is a chance to show the world that we are a tolerant and loving nation. As been said here on this blog (and in many other places as well) the terror attacks of 9/11 were the act of religious fundamentalists. It shouldn't really matter what religion they were. I don't need to remind you again about Timothy McVeigh, do I? He was a Christian, he was a lunatic, and he committed an act of terror on our nation's soil. Did the victims protest when St. Joseph's Catholic church built this near the memorial there? No they did not.
Did anyone protest the Mosque in the the Pentagon? Justin Elliot goes on to write: I believe it is not just a wedge issue, but one that shows the religious intolerance that is evidenced by many of the leaders on the right. Whether you are a Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Muslim, Wiccan, or Atheist - everyone should be reminded that we are not a Christian Nation, no matter how much people want to push this issue. Perhaps a reminder of the Treaty of Tripoli is in order: The GOP needs to stop alienating our own citizens with this religious purity test. Make no mistake, these are AMERICAN citizens of Muslim faith they are talking about.
What I believe, If one mosque/community center (whatever you may want to call it) is going to bring this nation to it's knees then not only are we are a nation of cowards, the terrorists truly have won.
and 
Raine
Will Obama express US lingering pain& ask Muslims for tolerance by discouraging 9/11 mosque while he celebrates Islamic holy month tonight?
The right-wing group Stop Islamization of America (SIOA) has announced that it will be hosting a rally against the proposed Cordoba House Islamic community center on September 11.
The confirmed list of speakers includes former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich, former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations John Bolton, Andrew Breitbart, and, notably, the far-right Dutch Parliamentarian Geert Wilders. “Islam is not a religion, it’s an ideology,” Wilders told the Guardian in 2009, “the ideology of a retarded culture.”
Personally, I don't care if the Mosque is built right on the alleged "hallowed Ground" of the World Trade Center or 2 blocks away. I don't care if a Christian Church is built there either. Right now, this so called sacred ground looks like this. Not very Sacred looking, is it? Of course it isn't, because it is being redeveloped for corporate use.
9/11 happened nearly 9 years ago and, while there is no longer a hole in the ground, the rebuilding process is extremely, painfully slow. I wrote this on 9/11 in 2008:
All the talk of rebuilding and honoring the victims and the victims' families, all the talk of honor & service to our country, all the promises of healing and rebuilding ... all of that talk, and 'Ground Zero' has become nothing more than a symbol of empty promises.
It took 8 years for us to put a man on the moon. One would think that we could close this gaping flesh wound sooner than that. There is no way a wound can heal if it is still open. 2749 people died in NYC that day. 184 people perished in Washington D.C. 40 people were lost forever to a field in Shanksville, Pennsylvania on September 11. Say a prayer for their families in whatever way you choose, but be angry that those who HAVE the power to close the hole in the ground have not. Ground Zero has become nothing more than a symbol of broken promises because of them.
There's no denying the right is apoplectic about this so-called Mosque. I am reluctant to use the word, because as evidenced in the link above, it is far more than that.
For people who hold 9/11 sacred, they really don't seem to realize that it wasn't just Christians who died on 9/11. Some of the first responders at he sites of the attacks were of the Muslim faith. People of all faiths died on that horrible day. Al-Quaeda attacked America - not Islam. This should not be a religious issue. This is a chance to show the world that we are a tolerant and loving nation. As been said here on this blog (and in many other places as well) the terror attacks of 9/11 were the act of religious fundamentalists. It shouldn't really matter what religion they were. I don't need to remind you again about Timothy McVeigh, do I? He was a Christian, he was a lunatic, and he committed an act of terror on our nation's soil. Did the victims protest when St. Joseph's Catholic church built this near the memorial there? No they did not.
Did anyone protest the Mosque in the the Pentagon?
Yes, Muslims have infiltrated the Pentagon for their nefarious, prayerful purposes -- daring to practice their religion inside the building where 184 people died on Sept. 11, 2001. They haven't even had the sensitivity to move two blocks, let alone a mile, away from that sacred site.
Any guesses as to why no one has ever heard about Muslims praying at the Pentagon -- let alone cared? It's almost as if the entire "ground zero mosque" controversy was whipped up out of nothing by a right-wing tabloid and politicians in search of a wedge issue ...
Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.
What I believe, If one mosque/community center (whatever you may want to call it) is going to bring this nation to it's knees then not only are we are a nation of cowards, the terrorists truly have won.
and Raine
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Comment by 
wickedpam on 08/16/2010 12:56:03
wickedpam on 08/16/2010 12:56:03
Morning 
To be honest these people have me weary - I think that's there plan just make everyone depressed and tired of hearing all the grinding of political messaging that we all just let them do what they want like tired parents of a spoiled child
To be honest these people have me weary - I think that's there plan just make everyone depressed and tired of hearing all the grinding of political messaging that we all just let them do what they want like tired parents of a spoiled child
Comment by 
TriSec on 08/16/2010 12:56:20
TriSec on 08/16/2010 12:56:20
Morning, comrades.
I had a brief argument with me mum last weekend on this....she's on the side of the Right and thinks they shouldn't build.
I said that if the Muslims couldn't have a mosque there, than this should be shut down, too.
She didn't really have an answer for that.
I also heard on WBZ this morning that this 'tempest-in-a-teapot' is still about the community center with prayer space, but there is an *actual* consecrated Mosque within a few blocks of the WTC site, and it's been there more than 40 years. (I didn't catch the name, however.)
"We" are not a nation of cowards, but the cowards seem to be in charge of the opposition now. It's pure demagogery, nothing more. Right out of the "Rise and Fall" playbook. It's also Point #3:
3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause
The most significant common thread among these regimes was the use of scapegoating as a means to divert the people’s attention from other problems, to shift blame for failures, and to channel frustration in controlled directions. The methods of choice—relentless propaganda and disinformation—were usually effective. Often the regimes would incite “spontaneous” acts against the target scapegoats, usually communists, socialists, liberals, Jews, ethnic and racial minorities, traditional national enemies, members of other religions, secularists, homosexuals, and “terrorists.” Active opponents of these regimes were inevitably labeled as terrorists and dealt with accordingly.
Once again, it's the educated that can see this coming; the vast body of unwashed heathens that passes for most Americans now is misled by lies as easily as sheep to slaughter.
I had a brief argument with me mum last weekend on this....she's on the side of the Right and thinks they shouldn't build.
I said that if the Muslims couldn't have a mosque there, than this should be shut down, too.
She didn't really have an answer for that.
I also heard on WBZ this morning that this 'tempest-in-a-teapot' is still about the community center with prayer space, but there is an *actual* consecrated Mosque within a few blocks of the WTC site, and it's been there more than 40 years. (I didn't catch the name, however.)
"We" are not a nation of cowards, but the cowards seem to be in charge of the opposition now. It's pure demagogery, nothing more. Right out of the "Rise and Fall" playbook. It's also Point #3:
3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause
The most significant common thread among these regimes was the use of scapegoating as a means to divert the people’s attention from other problems, to shift blame for failures, and to channel frustration in controlled directions. The methods of choice—relentless propaganda and disinformation—were usually effective. Often the regimes would incite “spontaneous” acts against the target scapegoats, usually communists, socialists, liberals, Jews, ethnic and racial minorities, traditional national enemies, members of other religions, secularists, homosexuals, and “terrorists.” Active opponents of these regimes were inevitably labeled as terrorists and dealt with accordingly.
Once again, it's the educated that can see this coming; the vast body of unwashed heathens that passes for most Americans now is misled by lies as easily as sheep to slaughter.
Comment by 
Scoopster on 08/16/2010 13:37:57
Scoopster on 08/16/2010 13:37:57
Morning all! 
...aaand happy Mondee! 
...aaand happy Mondee!
Comment by 
Raine on 08/16/2010 13:51:30
Raine on 08/16/2010 13:51:30
Please read all of this. This part in particular, grabbed me.
What’s Ground Zero surrounded by? Forget about two blocks away. Let’s go literally across the street and take an inventory. Let’s walk up Trinity Place beginning at Liberty Street, catty-corner from the blasted grounds. There’s a Starbucks right there, one of many in the perimeter, in the same building as a dental implants center and a bunch of CPAs. Very sacred, those. Walk up past Maiden Lane. There’s a Century 21 department store. No, not the real estate company, but the place to “turn heads this year” because the place is “here to chic you out.” Oh yes, Charlie, Ground Zero “belongs to those who suffered and died there.” Absolutely. Let’s make sure they bring their credit card. Walk up past Dey Street. Look at that: the Millenium Hilton, site of a thousand Wall Street scores a day that keep Wall Street adulteries and shareholder call girls more lubed up than Richard Simmons in his prime. Superb “lesson in respect,” all that not-so-metaphorical screwing in full, unobstructed view (viewing tower style) of the place where 3,000 souls were pulverized. Let us bow at the patriotic altar of executive blow jobs and coital ladder-climbing and by all means, “show some special sensitivity to the situation.” CEO balls are the unquestioned dribble of American business.
Let’s take a quick shower, call the wife back in Jersey and continue our little jaunt, past the Payless Shoesource. Did I mention the McDonald’s and the Majestic Pizza earlier? Did we ask for fries with that prayer to the heroes of 9/11? Here’s St. Paul Chapel along Vessey Street–careful not to fall of your ass on your road to Damascus, Charles–, and across from that, St. Peter’s Roman Catholic Church, the acceptable kind of religious houses of worship because they’re one of us, and Christian genocide is, well, another story. Besides, the Catholic church isn’t really in full view of Ground Zero. There’s a building right there at the corner of Vessey and Church with… why, yes! It’s Jean Louis David, where you can get that botox look without the botox, and under $1,000. A look even a Carmelite would envy, mortal sins aside. Make a left on Vesey Street. Here’s the New York Department of Health, site of a million diseases, free condoms by the thousands, female condoms too (come get yours: easier finding them there than in Flagler County), convenient, too, for those cheapskates not wanting to pay for their own before going to the Millennium Hilton. It’s also where Lower Manhattan’s hardest-working women get treated for all the diseases they pick up from Wall Street’s Most Moral and Upstanding Men. Excellent location right there across from the former towers, “unlike any other place.”
Comment by 
starling310 on 08/16/2010 13:56:19
starling310 on 08/16/2010 13:56:19
DUDE! Momma's out?!
I knew it.
Seriously...I did.
I knew it.
Seriously...I did.
Comment by Raine on 08/16/2010 14:00:29
It was a total
fest on friday...
Raine on 08/16/2010 14:00:29
Quote by starling310:
DUDE! Momma's out?!
I knew it.
Seriously...I did.
It was a total
fest on friday...
Comment by starling310 on 08/16/2010 14:03:16
I was on a 3 day GAYcation in Provincetown, MA so I missed it.
I really kind of always suspected, gaydar and all. But, she had to be ready.
So proud of Momma. That takes cajones!
starling310 on 08/16/2010 14:03:16
Quote by Raine:Quote by starling310:
DUDE! Momma's out?!
I knew it.
Seriously...I did.
It was a total
I was on a 3 day GAYcation in Provincetown, MA so I missed it.
I really kind of always suspected, gaydar and all. But, she had to be ready.
So proud of Momma. That takes cajones!
Comment by starling310 on 08/16/2010 14:04:43
starling310 on 08/16/2010 14:04:43
And, now I will begin my "I want to marry Momma" campaign. It's been on hold the past 5 years.
Brace yourself Momma....a cute lesbian is comin' your way.
Brace yourself Momma....a cute lesbian is comin' your way.
Comment by TriSec on 08/16/2010 14:06:21
Dammit, Star! Depending on how you got to P-town, you may have driven right through Waltham. You couldn't call?
TriSec on 08/16/2010 14:06:21
Quote by starling310:
I was on a 3 day GAYcation in Provincetown, MA so I missed it.
I really kind of always suspected, gaydar and all. But, she had to be ready.
So proud of Momma. That takes cajones!
Dammit, Star! Depending on how you got to P-town, you may have driven right through Waltham. You couldn't call?
Comment by 
BobR on 08/16/2010 14:06:37
The WTC site is hallowed ground - for capitalism...
BobR on 08/16/2010 14:06:37
Quote by Raine:
Please read all of this. This part in particular, grabbed me.What’s Ground Zero surrounded by? Forget about two blocks away. Let’s go literally across the street and take an inventory. Let’s walk up Trinity Place beginning at Liberty Street, catty-corner from the blasted grounds. There’s a Starbucks right there, one of many in the perimeter, in the same building as a dental implants center and a bunch of CPAs. Very sacred, those. Walk up past Maiden Lane. There’s a Century 21 department store. No, not the real estate company, but the place to “turn heads this year” because the place is “here to chic you out.” Oh yes, Charlie, Ground Zero “belongs to those who suffered and died there.” Absolutely. Let’s make sure they bring their credit card. Walk up past Dey Street. Look at that: the Millenium Hilton, site of a thousand Wall Street scores a day that keep Wall Street adulteries and shareholder call girls more lubed up than Richard Simmons in his prime. Superb “lesson in respect,” all that not-so-metaphorical screwing in full, unobstructed view (viewing tower style) of the place where 3,000 souls were pulverized. Let us bow at the patriotic altar of executive blow jobs and coital ladder-climbing and by all means, “show some special sensitivity to the situation.” CEO balls are the unquestioned dribble of American business.
Let’s take a quick shower, call the wife back in Jersey and continue our little jaunt, past the Payless Shoesource. Did I mention the McDonald’s and the Majestic Pizza earlier? Did we ask for fries with that prayer to the heroes of 9/11? Here’s St. Paul Chapel along Vessey Street–careful not to fall of your ass on your road to Damascus, Charles–, and across from that, St. Peter’s Roman Catholic Church, the acceptable kind of religious houses of worship because they’re one of us, and Christian genocide is, well, another story. Besides, the Catholic church isn’t really in full view of Ground Zero. There’s a building right there at the corner of Vessey and Church with… why, yes! It’s Jean Louis David, where you can get that botox look without the botox, and under $1,000. A look even a Carmelite would envy, mortal sins aside. Make a left on Vesey Street. Here’s the New York Department of Health, site of a million diseases, free condoms by the thousands, female condoms too (come get yours: easier finding them there than in Flagler County), convenient, too, for those cheapskates not wanting to pay for their own before going to the Millennium Hilton. It’s also where Lower Manhattan’s hardest-working women get treated for all the diseases they pick up from Wall Street’s Most Moral and Upstanding Men. Excellent location right there across from the former towers, “unlike any other place.”
The WTC site is hallowed ground - for capitalism...
Comment by BobR on 08/16/2010 14:10:58
of course - the disclaimer:
BobR on 08/16/2010 14:10:58
Quote by Raine:
Woah!
US backs Afghan plan to ditch security contractors
of course - the disclaimer:
However, Boor declined to give a timeline saying private security contractors can only be phased out as the security situation improves. That could be a long time given worsening security in recent months in areas of northern and central Afghanistan that had previously been relatively safe.
Comment by BobR on 08/16/2010 14:11:49
Nice to see you here on the blog again
BobR on 08/16/2010 14:11:49
Quote by starling310:Quote by Raine:Quote by starling310:
DUDE! Momma's out?!
I knew it.
Seriously...I did.
It was a total
I was on a 3 day GAYcation in Provincetown, MA so I missed it.
I really kind of always suspected, gaydar and all. But, she had to be ready.
So proud of Momma. That takes cajones!
Nice to see you here on the blog again
Comment by starling310 on 08/16/2010 14:12:27
Sahrrry....
It was a working Gaycation. Tight schedule...
starling310 on 08/16/2010 14:12:27
Quote by TriSec:Quote by starling310:
I was on a 3 day GAYcation in Provincetown, MA so I missed it.
I really kind of always suspected, gaydar and all. But, she had to be ready.
So proud of Momma. That takes cajones!
Dammit, Star! Depending on how you got to P-town, you may have driven right through Waltham. You couldn't call?
Sahrrry....
It was a working Gaycation. Tight schedule...
Comment by BobR on 08/16/2010 14:13:22
BobR on 08/16/2010 14:13:22
and now back to the training...
Comment by starling310 on 08/16/2010 14:13:24
It only took Momma comin' out. Ha.
starling310 on 08/16/2010 14:13:24
Quote by BobR:Quote by starling310:Quote by Raine:Quote by starling310:
DUDE! Momma's out?!
I knew it.
Seriously...I did.
It was a total
I was on a 3 day GAYcation in Provincetown, MA so I missed it.
I really kind of always suspected, gaydar and all. But, she had to be ready.
So proud of Momma. That takes cajones!
Nice to see you here on the blog again
It only took Momma comin' out. Ha.
Comment by wickedpam on 08/16/2010 14:23:30
Completely - missed Mondo and Raine calling in - stupid work getting in the way of my radio/blog time
wickedpam on 08/16/2010 14:23:30
Quote by Raine:Quote by starling310:
DUDE! Momma's out?!
I knew it.
Seriously...I did.
It was a total
Completely - missed Mondo and Raine calling in - stupid work getting in the way of my radio/blog time
Comment by Scoopster on 08/16/2010 14:26:59
Heh I coulda come up there too! Twas a boring weekend down here..
Scoopster on 08/16/2010 14:26:59
Quote by TriSec:Quote by starling310:
I was on a 3 day GAYcation in Provincetown, MA so I missed it.
I really kind of always suspected, gaydar and all. But, she had to be ready.
So proud of Momma. That takes cajones!
Dammit, Star! Depending on how you got to P-town, you may have driven right through Waltham. You couldn't call?
Heh I coulda come up there too! Twas a boring weekend down here..
Comment by Raine on 08/16/2010 14:28:59
I thought it was a GAYcation, guys?!?!?
Raine on 08/16/2010 14:28:59
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by TriSec:Quote by starling310:
I was on a 3 day GAYcation in Provincetown, MA so I missed it.
I really kind of always suspected, gaydar and all. But, she had to be ready.
So proud of Momma. That takes cajones!
Dammit, Star! Depending on how you got to P-town, you may have driven right through Waltham. You couldn't call?
Heh I coulda come up there too! Twas a boring weekend down here..
I thought it was a GAYcation, guys?!?!?
Comment by Raine on 08/16/2010 14:40:51
Raine on 08/16/2010 14:40:51
aww... Kevin in DC...
Comment by wickedpam on 08/16/2010 14:41:28
wickedpam on 08/16/2010 14:41:28
Me - I think he looks a bit like a muppet 
I kinda think Jim is cuter
I kinda think Jim is cuter
Comment by Raine on 08/16/2010 14:44:56
Raine on 08/16/2010 14:44:56
Wow....
that was quite the caller!
that was quite the caller!
Comment by Raine on 08/16/2010 14:53:41
Ken is quite the charmer.
Raine on 08/16/2010 14:53:41
Ken is quite the charmer.
Comment by Raine on 08/16/2010 14:57:13
Raine on 08/16/2010 14:57:13
Why wouldn't Momma not still be a role model for women who don't have children??
Comment by TriSec on 08/16/2010 14:58:47
TriSec on 08/16/2010 14:58:47
BTW, you may have missed this outside of New England this weekend...
"Craigslist" killer commits suicide while awaiting trial
"Craigslist" killer commits suicide while awaiting trial
Comment by Raine on 08/16/2010 15:00:10
Raine on 08/16/2010 15:00:10
bad news about the gay penguins...
Comment by wickedpam on 08/16/2010 15:01:38
I'm holding up my corner of the single husband-less child-less mother lives with her part of the world - maybe she needs more descriptives?
wickedpam on 08/16/2010 15:01:38
Quote by Raine:
Why wouldn't Momma not still be a role model for women who don't have children??
I'm holding up my corner of the single husband-less child-less mother lives with her part of the world - maybe she needs more descriptives?
Comment by BobR on 08/16/2010 15:04:01
Damn Rev. Haggard...
BobR on 08/16/2010 15:04:01
Quote by Raine:
bad news about the gay penguins...
Damn Rev. Haggard...
Comment by BobR on 08/16/2010 15:05:12
You're a role model for the entire human race!
BobR on 08/16/2010 15:05:12
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
Why wouldn't Momma not still be a role model for women who don't have children??
I'm holding up my corner of the single husband-less child-less mother lives with her part of the world - maybe she needs more descriptives?
You're a role model for the entire human race!
Comment by wickedpam on 08/16/2010 15:06:40
aaawwww thank you
wickedpam on 08/16/2010 15:06:40
Quote by BobR:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
Why wouldn't Momma not still be a role model for women who don't have children??
I'm holding up my corner of the single husband-less child-less mother lives with her part of the world - maybe she needs more descriptives?
You're a role model for the entire human race!
aaawwww thank you
Comment by Raine on 08/16/2010 15:08:07
Raine on 08/16/2010 15:08:07
Comment by Scoopster on 08/16/2010 15:12:57
Sure it was but who says we can't have a good time with some folks who know how to party?! I've heard stories about legendary parties up in P-Town from my boss (who oddly met his wife there!)
Scoopster on 08/16/2010 15:12:57
Quote by Raine:Quote by Scoopster:Quote by TriSec:Quote by starling310:
I was on a 3 day GAYcation in Provincetown, MA so I missed it.
I really kind of always suspected, gaydar and all. But, she had to be ready.
So proud of Momma. That takes cajones!
Dammit, Star! Depending on how you got to P-town, you may have driven right through Waltham. You couldn't call?
Heh I coulda come up there too! Twas a boring weekend down here..
I thought it was a GAYcation, guys?!?!?
Sure it was but who says we can't have a good time with some folks who know how to party?! I've heard stories about legendary parties up in P-Town from my boss (who oddly met his wife there!)
Comment by wickedpam on 08/16/2010 15:18:08
wickedpam on 08/16/2010 15:18:08
Hey I think that's our Starling! 
Comment by starling310 on 08/16/2010 15:18:23
Yes, plenty 'o straights up there.
I especially like the gawker ones.
starling310 on 08/16/2010 15:18:23
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Raine:Quote by Scoopster:Quote by TriSec:Quote by starling310:
I was on a 3 day GAYcation in Provincetown, MA so I missed it.
I really kind of always suspected, gaydar and all. But, she had to be ready.
So proud of Momma. That takes cajones!
Dammit, Star! Depending on how you got to P-town, you may have driven right through Waltham. You couldn't call?
Heh I coulda come up there too! Twas a boring weekend down here..
I thought it was a GAYcation, guys?!?!?
Sure it was.. I've heard stories about legendary parties up in P-Town tho from my boss (who oddly met his wife there!)
Yes, plenty 'o straights up there.
I especially like the gawker ones.
Comment by TriSec on 08/16/2010 15:31:27
Interesting....no, I haven't heard much news on that front recently. Locally, though...things actually seem good. We have a local field full of clover that was swarming with bees earlier, and I seem to have a large number of fat, healthy looking carpenter bees in my neighborhood. I do see fewer European bees around, though.
TriSec on 08/16/2010 15:31:27
Quote by Raine:
Tri, Have you seen this? Scientists stunned as bee populations continue to decline...
Interesting....no, I haven't heard much news on that front recently. Locally, though...things actually seem good. We have a local field full of clover that was swarming with bees earlier, and I seem to have a large number of fat, healthy looking carpenter bees in my neighborhood. I do see fewer European bees around, though.
Comment by wickedpam on 08/16/2010 15:35:39
can't tell that by my garden - I've got the big fat bumble bees, yellow jackets, wasps, and so on - they love all the flowers especially the giant dish-size moon flowers we have in the middle of summer
wickedpam on 08/16/2010 15:35:39
Quote by TriSec:Quote by Raine:
Tri, Have you seen this? Scientists stunned as bee populations continue to decline...
Interesting....no, I haven't heard much news on that front recently. Locally, though...things actually seem good. We have a local field full of clover that was swarming with bees earlier, and I seem to have a large number of fat, healthy looking carpenter bees in my neighborhood. I do see fewer European bees around, though.
can't tell that by my garden - I've got the big fat bumble bees, yellow jackets, wasps, and so on - they love all the flowers especially the giant dish-size moon flowers we have in the middle of summer
Comment by Raine on 08/16/2010 15:49:12
Raine on 08/16/2010 15:49:12
For all those pissed of at the President for his comments regarding the NYC Muslim Center. Here is the initial comment:
Let's remember there is ONE thing ANY and EVERY president must do:
I do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.
And for the record... he DID NOT WALK BACK his comment when he said this: If anything, I believe he clarified his original comment.
It is not the job of ANY president to comment on any local business, or building sight.
As a citizen, and as President, I believe that Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as everyone else in this country. And that includes the right to build a place of worship and a community center on private property in Lower Manhattan, in accordance with local laws and ordinances. This is America. And our commitment to religious freedom must be unshakeable. The principle that people of all faiths are welcome in this country and that they will not be treated differently by their government is essential to who we are. The writ of the Founders must endure.
Let's remember there is ONE thing ANY and EVERY president must do:
I do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.
And for the record... he DID NOT WALK BACK his comment when he said this:
“I was not commenting and I will not comment on the wisdom of making the decision to put a mosque there. I was commenting very specifically on the right people have that dates back to our founding. That’s what our country is about. And I think it’s very important as difficult as some of these issues are that we stay focused on who we are as a people and what our values are all about.”
It is not the job of ANY president to comment on any local business, or building sight.
Comment by Raine on 08/16/2010 15:50:52
What?!?!?!
Did I miss you ling?
Aww crapapoo...
Raine on 08/16/2010 15:50:52
Quote by wickedpam:
Hey I think that's our Starling!
What?!?!?!
Did I miss you
ling? Aww crapapoo...
Comment by wickedpam on 08/16/2010 15:58:11
wickedpam on 08/16/2010 15:58:11
Jim Norton used to be on Opie and Antony - he's mean and hateful and not funny
Comment by wickedpam on 08/16/2010 15:59:19
I think Steph read an email from Star - under her real name about now stalking Steph
wickedpam on 08/16/2010 15:59:19
Quote by Raine:Quote by wickedpam:
Hey I think that's our Starling!
What?!?!?!
Did I miss you
Aww crapapoo...
I think Steph read an email from Star - under her real name about now stalking Steph
Comment by Raine on 08/16/2010 16:00:14
Raine on 08/16/2010 16:00:14
Aww... poor oily taintz
The Supreme Court has upheld a $20,000 fine against a leader of the movement challenging President Barack Obama's citizenship.
The high court on Monday refused to block a federal judge's October 2009 ruling that required California lawyer and dentist Orly Taitz to pay the $20,000 fine for filing a "frivolous" litigation. The judge said Taitz attempted to misuse the federal courts to push a political agenda.
Comment by Raine on 08/16/2010 16:00:38
Raine on 08/16/2010 16:00:38
Wow -- the show has officially run over time...
Comment by Raine on 08/16/2010 16:08:34
Oh tha tis awesomeness!
Raine on 08/16/2010 16:08:34
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:Quote by wickedpam:
Hey I think that's our Starling!
What?!?!?!
Did I miss you
Aww crapapoo...
I think Steph read an email from Star - under her real name about now stalking Steph
Comment by Raine on 08/16/2010 16:14:44
Raine on 08/16/2010 16:14:44
Lizz is filling in for Ed Shultz today.
Comment by Raine on 08/16/2010 16:28:10
Raine on 08/16/2010 16:28:10
Funny, while the GOP cries about the "hallowed ground" I have to wonder why they don't scream about the 10,000 people who died on the Trail of Tears.
We built an entire nation over it. Am I the only one who sees the hypocrisy? This is not a slam to those who died on 9/11 but I really have to wonder what makes something hallowed ground -- considering the name of the are a in downtown NYC is the World TRADE Center.
TRADE. Money, corporatism -- think about that for a minute.
We built an entire nation over it. Am I the only one who sees the hypocrisy? This is not a slam to those who died on 9/11 but I really have to wonder what makes something hallowed ground -- considering the name of the are a in downtown NYC is the World TRADE Center.
TRADE. Money, corporatism -- think about that for a minute.
Comment by BobR on 08/16/2010 16:40:19
I think the problem is the honeybees - they are the ones used for pollinating crops
BobR on 08/16/2010 16:40:19
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by TriSec:Quote by Raine:
Tri, Have you seen this? Scientists stunned as bee populations continue to decline...
Interesting....no, I haven't heard much news on that front recently. Locally, though...things actually seem good. We have a local field full of clover that was swarming with bees earlier, and I seem to have a large number of fat, healthy looking carpenter bees in my neighborhood. I do see fewer European bees around, though.
can't tell that by my garden - I've got the big fat bumble bees, yellow jackets, wasps, and so on - they love all the flowers especially the giant dish-size moon flowers we have in the middle of summer
I think the problem is the honeybees - they are the ones used for pollinating crops
Comment by BobR on 08/16/2010 16:40:52
And me unable to listen...
BobR on 08/16/2010 16:40:52
Quote by Raine:
Lizz is filling in for Ed Shultz today.
And me unable to listen...
Comment by BobR on 08/16/2010 16:41:54
Damn injuns twarn't Christian, so how can it be hallowed?
BobR on 08/16/2010 16:41:54
Quote by Raine:
Funny, while the GOP cries about the "hallowed ground" I have to wonder why they don't scream about the 10,000 people who died on the Trail of Tears.
We built an entire nation over it. Am I the only one who sees the hypocrisy? This is not a slam to those who died on 9/11 but I really have to wonder what makes something hallowed ground -- considering the name of the are a in downtown NYC is the World TRADE Center.
TRADE. Money, corporatism -- think about that for a minute.
Damn injuns twarn't Christian, so how can it be hallowed?
Comment by TriSec on 08/16/2010 16:43:17
TriSec on 08/16/2010 16:43:17
Some extremely esoteric av-dorkiness today...
Capt. Joseph Kittinger jumped out of a balloon at 102,000 feet 50 years ago today to set a bunch of parachuting records that still stand.
Think about that for a second....NASA and the USAF recognize 100,000 feet as the boundary of space. Several pilots have earned astronaut's wings by piloting research aircraft above this height.
Capt. Kittinger jumped to Earth from space.
Capt. Joseph Kittinger jumped out of a balloon at 102,000 feet 50 years ago today to set a bunch of parachuting records that still stand.
Think about that for a second....NASA and the USAF recognize 100,000 feet as the boundary of space. Several pilots have earned astronaut's wings by piloting research aircraft above this height.
Capt. Kittinger jumped to Earth from space.