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Author: TriSec    Date: 01/29/2008 11:41:44

Good Morning.

Today is our 1,777th day in Iraq.

We'll start this morning as we always do, with the latest casualty figures in the warron terra, courtesy of Antiwar.com:

American Deaths
Since war began (3/19/03): 3940
Since "Mission Accomplished" (5/1/03): 3801
Since Capture of Saddam (12/13/03): 3479
Since Handover (6/29/04): 3081
Since Election (1/31/05): 2503

Other Coalition Troops: 307
US Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 481


We find this morning's cost of war passing through: $ 489,803,250,000.00


In doing some research for more sources, I've found some more veterans sites...so this morning we'll turn to a new one, Iraq Veterans Against the War. They too have a multitude of veterans to tell their stories...and there are some slightly different points of view. But in the end...a soldier's story is often one of frustration.
A lot of this will be no surprise to those of you still in the service. These are things that everyone complains about, but that largely don't make it to the public for several reasons. One is the 'camouflage wall of silence', similar to the police's 'blue wall', which translates in the vernacular into a lot of 'Only I can beat up my brother'. Military members have years to start disliking the press, and believing that civilians can never understand their issues. And to be honest, a lot of the issues are pretty hard for civilians to understand.

Such as the No Specialist Left Behind program. Yes, the Army was hurting for good NCOs, particularly NCOs that had seen combat. The Army was bleeding good NCOs like nobody's business. They saw the way the wind was blowing, and many didn't want to stay in. Big Army, in its infinite wisdom and under pressure to deliver in Iraq, decided that the answer was clearly a problem promotion system. The problem wasn't that there weren't enough NCOs! The problem was that good, deserving specialists were somehow languishing in obscurity! Well, you don't have to listen to me tell you that was a bad idea. You can listen to the retired CSM tell you at the link above. Or you can listen to me tell you that when you promote people who aren't ready for it, you get bad, inexperienced NCOs, who are going to lead their troops to trouble. I had to teach one of my NCOs once how to fill out a basic 4856. One of my NCOs. Not one of my specs bucking for their stripes, one of my existing NCOs. And the problem doesn't stop there-when you see some units making four-year staff-sergeants that can't find their own ass with both hands, you know that things are broken.

You know things are hurting when the Army is so desperate for new bodies to send to Iraq that new kids coming in, who haven't even made it through Basic yet, can sign up for $40,000 bonuses, while twelve-year combat veterans go begging looking for some chump change to give the next eight years of their life to the military. I'm not saying it's all about money, because it's not. But I'm saying that we're setting the wrong priorities there.

Especially when we're hurting for bodies so badly that we don't let our drill sergeants do their jobs and impart discipline to the soldiers. Got a buddy on the trail? Talk to them next time about how much they're pushed to let dirtbag would-be soldiers squeak through, because the Army can't afford to replace them. Or talk to a recruiter friend about how much they're pushed to make quota, and the consequences if they don't.
There's more at the source; including some embedded links...check it out.



Did you see the "President's" speech last night? As Keith Olbermann called it, it seemed to be a "best of" speech, edited and condensed for time. Of course he spouted nonsense about how well we're doing in Iraq.
WASHINGTON - President Bush portrayed the bloody five-year war in Iraq last night as finally turning a corner, citing a dramatic reduction in attacks since he dispatched an additional 30,000 US troops last January and vowing to "sustain and build on the gains we made in 2007" during his last year in office.

"The American and Iraqi surges have achieved results few of us could have imagined just one year ago," Bush said in his final State of the Union address.

But several military specialists warned that many of the security improvements in Iraq have resulted from the work of a mix of local militias and armed citizens groups that are funded by the United States but beyond the control of the Iraqi government.

Unless these groups are quickly folded into the Iraqi security forces or are provided other gainful employment, there are few guarantees that they will not face off with each other when the American security commitment is reduced and spark another round of civil war, the specialists said.

"There is no jobs program to speak of," said Max Boot, a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations. "A top priority now is to institutionalize those 80,000 or so men into the Iraqi security forces or provide the prospects of a long-term livelihood."



Lastly, we're one week out from Super Tuesday...and we've looked at a couple of candidates' positions on Iraq. This week, we'll check out Hilary Clinton...
Starting Phased Redeployment within Hillary's First Days in Office: The most important part of Hillary's plan is the first: to end our military engagement in Iraq's civil war and immediately start bringing our troops home. As president, one of Hillary's first official actions would be to convene the Joint Chiefs of Staff, her Secretary of Defense, and her National Security Council. She would direct them to draw up a clear, viable plan to bring our troops home starting with the first 60 days of her Administration. She would also direct the Department of Defense and the Department of Veterans Affairs to prepare a comprehensive plan to provide the highest quality health care and benefits to every service member -- including every member of the National Guard and Reserves -- and their families.

Securing Stability in Iraq as we Bring our Troops Home. As president, Hillary would focus American aid efforts during our redeployment on stabilizing Iraq, not propping up the Iraqi government. She would direct aid to the entities -- whether governmental or non-governmental -- most likely to get it into the hands of the Iraqi people. She would also support the appointment of a high level U.N. representative -- similar to those appointed in Afghanistan, Bosnia, and Kosovo -- to help broker peace among the parties in Iraq.

A New Intensive Diplomatic Initiative in the Region. In her first days in office, Hillary would convene a regional stabilization group composed of key allies, other global powers, and all of the states bordering Iraq. The- mission of this group would be to develop and implement a strategy to create a stable Iraq....



There's plenty more to talk about...I'll be in the back with a fresh pot of coffee.


 

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Comment by m-hadley on 01/29/2008 12:56:07
Thanks for an excellent post this early SOTU hangover morning, Tri,

I just finished adding a few links to my SOTU critique over at my blog. I sure did enjoy hanging out with you all last night - you not only made suffering through dumbya last SOTU speech bearable, you also actually made it fun Did anybody else stay up and watch Momma? She was on for - I kid you not - about two minutes and was rudely cut off before she could ever get a word in - sigh, not sure why she puts herself through this, must be tough - the life of a small-time media whore. BTB, I thougth Rachel Maddow looked particularly attractive last night, her hair looks slightly longer (did I see the start of some bangs - she bang!) Hope everybody has a reasonably good day - I'm gonna go hear/see John Edwards this morning - yeah!

Cheers,

MFaye

Comment by Raine on 01/29/2008 13:29:09
FAYE! I hope you are able to get some pictures! HAVE FUN!!!

And good morning!!

Comment by Raine on 01/29/2008 13:30:15
I uhm... I fell asleep... yeah, that's it, I fell asleep before momma came on the TV Mosheen.



(that is my story. I am sticking to it!)

Comment by Raine on 01/29/2008 14:01:16
I heard a rumour that Rudy will drop out after today.

Comment by Grumpymann on 01/29/2008 14:08:05
Quote by Raine: I heard a rumour that Rudy will drop out after today.


There is a God?

Comment by Raine on 01/29/2008 14:08:14
*sigh* john... :peace2:

Comment by Grumpymann on 01/29/2008 14:08:41
Quote by Raine: *sigh* john... :peace2:


Is that a crush I hear?

Comment by Raine on 01/29/2008 14:08:51
Quote by Grumpymann:
Quote by Raine: I heard a rumour that Rudy will drop out after today.


There is a God?


Good morning Grump!

Comment by Grumpymann on 01/29/2008 14:10:14
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Grumpymann:
Quote by Raine: I heard a rumour that Rudy will drop out after today.


There is a God?


Good morning Grump!


Hello hows trix?

Comment by Grumpymann on 01/29/2008 14:12:45
Did he say the EI word?

(Energy Independence?)

Comment by Raine on 01/29/2008 14:13:04
Quote by Grumpymann:
Quote by Raine: *sigh* john... :peace2:


Is that a crush I hear?


I always Swoon when I hear that song...



(and yes, I officially have a crush on John Edwards... ) I have not given up on Edwards,and Obama has been my second choice all along... A girl can keep hope alive, right?





BTW, A friend of mine called me last nite, and said he doesn't think he could handle the beautiful wonderful hopeful possibilty of saying, PResident Obama and ATTORNEY General John edwards...



I can handle that... :P

Comment by Grumpymann on 01/29/2008 14:13:55
If he did I'm on board!



Not really I was with Dennis.

And in the absence of him Edwards.

Comment by Raine on 01/29/2008 14:14:00
trix is good. Got a little drunk last nite...

Comment by Grumpymann on 01/29/2008 14:16:16
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Grumpymann:
Quote by Raine: *sigh* john... :peace2:


Is that a crush I hear?


I always Swoon when I hear that song...



(and yes, I officially have a crush on John Edwards... ) I have not given up on Edwards,and Obama has been my second choice all along... A girl can keep hope alive, right?





BTW, A friend of mine called me last nite, and said he doesn't think he could handle the beautiful wonderful hopeful possibilty of saying, PResident Obama and ATTORNEY General John edwards...



I can handle that... :P


I have been saying for a LONG time that the ticket to watch is Obama/Edwards or Edwards/Obama.

I could care less. as long as these slimeball rethugs are out office.



Comment by Grumpymann on 01/29/2008 14:17:25
Quote by Raine: trix is good. Got a little drunk last nite...


And I missed it!?!?!?!



Comment by Raine on 01/29/2008 14:24:14
Quote by Grumpymann:
Quote by Raine: trix is good. Got a little drunk last nite...


And I missed it!?!?!?!



:rofl: we blogged the SOTU last nite. Did you watch it?

Comment by Raine on 01/29/2008 14:25:58
Quote by Grumpymann: If he did I'm on board!



Not really I was with Dennis.

And in the absence of him Edwards.


This is the most facsinating campaign year I think, in my life.

Comment by Raine on 01/29/2008 14:26:51
IT sounds like some really bad producing last nite.

Comment by Raine on 01/29/2008 14:29:11
:rofl: the repubs were extra shouty last nite!

Comment by Raine on 01/29/2008 14:31:26
So I am waiting for a confirmation on my RSVP on attending the post Jefferson-Jackson dinner Rally tomorrow at the Georgia WOrld congress center! :xfingers:

Comment by Grumpymann on 01/29/2008 14:33:29
Impeach


Comment by Raine on 01/29/2008 14:35:05
Congressperson LEE!!

Comment by Grumpymann on 01/29/2008 14:38:10
Are we alone here?



Comment by Grumpymann on 01/29/2008 14:41:06
I'm sick of the hate these "People shaped objects" wallow in.

Comment by Raine on 01/29/2008 14:42:10
I will be phone banking this week again!

Comment by livingonli on 01/29/2008 14:42:55
Bon matin mes amis.



I caught Momma's appearance on MSNBC when I got home and my reaction was "she stayed up past her bedtime for this?" and she had to settle for being on with the B-team (except for Rachel).

Comment by Grumpymann on 01/29/2008 14:44:00
Quote by Raine: I will be phone banking this week again!


Call me!

Comment by Grumpymann on 01/29/2008 14:44:23
Quote by livingonli: Bon matin mes amis.



I caught Momma's appearance on MSNBC when I got home and my reaction was "she stayed up past her bedtime for this?" and she had to settle for being on with the B-team (except for Rachel).


Hey Liv!

Comment by Raine on 01/29/2008 14:44:40
Quote by Grumpymann: Are we alone here?



Why yes for now we are!



Faye is off at a Edwards Rally in a union hall in Tulsa, Ms. Jones is on the Road... I suspect Liv and mala will be joining us shortly, and sadly has not been around lately. I think the salt mines got her.

Comment by livingonli on 01/29/2008 14:45:39
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Grumpymann: Are we alone here?



Why yes for now we are!



Faye is off at a Edwards Rally in a union hall in Tulsa, Ms. Jones is on the Road... I suspect Liv and mala will be joining us shortly, and sadly has not been around lately. I think the salt mines got her.


I'm here now.

Comment by livingonli on 01/29/2008 14:46:04
Heya Grump.

Comment by Raine on 01/29/2008 14:46:13
HEya Grump, that reminds me... when my phone was stolen I lost your number, can you send it to me again?

Comment by Raine on 01/29/2008 14:47:13
Quote by livingonli:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Grumpymann: Are we alone here?



Why yes for now we are!



Faye is off at a Edwards Rally in a union hall in Tulsa, Ms. Jones is on the Road... I suspect Liv and mala will be joining us shortly, and sadly has not been around lately. I think the salt mines got her.


I'm here now.
you showed up as I was typing! :D



Comment by Grumpymann on 01/29/2008 14:47:33
Quote by Raine: HEya Grump, that reminds me... when my phone was stolen I lost your number, can you send it to me again?


Sure!

Comment by wickedpam on 01/29/2008 14:50:21
MOrning! :hug:

Comment by Raine on 01/29/2008 14:50:46
no matter what, DEMS MUST VOTE!!! That they say they are not is EXACTLY what the republicans want!!!

Comment by Raine on 01/29/2008 14:52:05
Doing some reserch, and it seems that the rally wednesday night will have Edwards, obama AND hillary!

Comment by livingonli on 01/29/2008 14:52:38
And a morning to Mala too. Did you watch the speech last night or did you find something better to watch?

Comment by wickedpam on 01/29/2008 14:52:49
ANyone know what happened to Steph last night? I tuned into MSNBC around midnight when she said she'd be on and I got Nora O'Donnall instead

Comment by Grumpymann on 01/29/2008 14:55:21
I want to stuff dead dogs down those "Peoples" throat.

Comment by livingonli on 01/29/2008 14:55:59
Quote by wickedpam: ANyone know what happened to Steph last night? I tuned into MSNBC around midnight when she said she'd be on and I got Nora O'Donnall instead


After Midnight they must have let Keith and Tweety go home and MSNBC put on the B-team. It was definitely a blink and you miss it segment near the end of the coverage.

Comment by Raine on 01/29/2008 14:56:31
I have a feeling Al may endorse Edwards, to tell the truth... IF he endorses anyone at all. There are rumours ouyt there that he may endorse no one.

Comment by wickedpam on 01/29/2008 14:57:03
Why was billo naming that woman Sid Viscious? Was she in a legenday punk band?

Comment by Raine on 01/29/2008 14:57:30
Quote by Grumpymann: I want to stuff dead dogs down those "Peoples" throat.
Don't hold back Grump... tell us how you really feel!



Comment by Grumpymann on 01/29/2008 14:57:56
Didn't they try that with Alan Keys?

Comment by wickedpam on 01/29/2008 14:59:07
Quote by livingonli:
Quote by wickedpam: ANyone know what happened to Steph last night? I tuned into MSNBC around midnight when she said she'd be on and I got Nora O'Donnall instead


After Midnight they must have let Keith and Tweety go home and MSNBC put on the B-team. It was definitely a blink and you miss it segment near the end of the coverage.




Damn! Didn't know tweety had that much pull.



Comment by livingonli on 01/29/2008 14:59:21
I caught Tweety's crush on Condi when I watched Countdown on the DVR last night and I wanted to say that the diplomats don't think very highly of her and would any candidate from this administration get support now after the damage they have done?

Comment by livingonli on 01/29/2008 15:00:34
Quote by Grumpymann: Didn't they try that with Alan Keys?


And we know how well that worked out.

Comment by Raine on 01/29/2008 15:00:38
:puke: tweety saying that Condi could be a VP candidate? Dear lawd!

Comment by Raine on 01/29/2008 15:01:23
Wow, housing prices have dropped 8.4% I think this is only the beginning.







Comment by Raine on 01/29/2008 15:02:03
IS alan Keyes still running???

Comment by livingonli on 01/29/2008 15:02:33
If anyone is listening to the Stephstream, they are running a message from The Quake PD in San Francisco that they are re-instating hours two and three of the Stephanie Miller show since they were flooded with requests.

Comment by Raine on 01/29/2008 15:03:12
OK, I have huge news about the Florida primary... My republidad is not voting. That is the first time ever that he will not participate in a primary.



And that tells you how much he disdains all of the people who are running.

Comment by livingonli on 01/29/2008 15:03:18
Quote by Raine: IS alan Keyes still running???


I think so. He's only getting slightly more attention than Mike Gravel.

Comment by Raine on 01/29/2008 15:04:22
Quote by livingonli: If anyone is listening to the Stephstream, they are running a message from The Quake PD in San Francisco that they are re-instating hours two and three of the Stephanie Miller show since they were flooded with requests.


That should make happy.

Comment by Grumpymann on 01/29/2008 15:05:32
Quote by Raine: tweety saying that Condi could be a VP candidate? Dear lawd!


I made a comment about how Condi wasn't fit to "Shine My Shoes".

And Some useless wast of a busted nut Con said that I "...Hated Colards. Like all to the Left Of Bush.".



And yes I got banned for telling him what I thought of him.

Comment by wickedpam on 01/29/2008 15:05:56
Quote by Raine: OK, I have huge news about the Florida primary... My republidad is not voting. That is the first time ever that he will not participate in a primary.



And that tells you how much he disdains all of the people who are running.






WOW that is huge news! That's gotta tell them something if they can't inspire people who have always voted.



On NBC they were saying that about 1million people were going to vote today, most of them Dems even though it won't give out an delegates.



Comment by wickedpam on 01/29/2008 15:07:08
Quote by Raine: Wow, housing prices have dropped 8.4% I think this is only the beginning.









Don't remind me. Thank God I bought just before everything started to go crazy.



Comment by Grumpymann on 01/29/2008 15:07:28
Quote by Raine: IS alan Keyes still running???


From the rest of the people in the Repug party yes.



In fact they tryed to move him so he could run against Obama.

And it worked out like all Allen Keys runs. :cheese:y in the end.

Comment by Raine on 01/29/2008 15:07:53
IS it even worth posting in the youtube section ?

Comment by Raine on 01/29/2008 15:08:17
:huh:

Comment by Raine on 01/29/2008 15:08:55
Poor Rach...

Comment by livingonli on 01/29/2008 15:08:56
Allan Keyes is thee to make the other candidates look sane.

Comment by Grumpymann on 01/29/2008 15:09:14
Quote by Raine: Wow, housing prices have dropped 8.4% I think this is only the beginning.







Soon I may be able to buy a house.



I have been waiting till housing prices returned to sanity.

Comment by livingonli on 01/29/2008 15:09:33
Quote by Raine: IS it even worth posting in the youtube section ?


No!

Comment by wickedpam on 01/29/2008 15:10:04
Steph will have to invest in ugly sweaters to sell the juice tiger.

Comment by Grumpymann on 01/29/2008 15:10:09
Quote by livingonli: Allan Keyes is thee to make the other candidates look sane.


That is why they keep running him.

Comment by Raine on 01/29/2008 15:12:37
Quote by Grumpymann:
Quote by Raine: tweety saying that Condi could be a VP candidate? Dear lawd!


I made a comment about how Condi wasn't fit to "Shine My Shoes".

And Some useless wast of a busted nut Con said that I "...Hated Colards. Like all to the Left Of Bush.".



And yes I got banned for telling him what I thought of him.


DAYMN! Grump!



WOW, what a tool. (I have to tell you, when i first read that, I read Collards. I was thinking that I love the collards! I make mean collards!! )



(you know i love you, right?)

Comment by livingonli on 01/29/2008 15:13:34
Quote by wickedpam: Steph will have to invest in ugly sweaters to sell the juice tiger.


I don't know if Momma would appreciate having a future in Infomercials.

Comment by Raine on 01/29/2008 15:13:51
Quote by livingonli:
Quote by Raine: IS it even worth posting in the youtube section ?


No!


: Joe Biden : No.









:rofl:

Comment by Raine on 01/29/2008 15:14:44
OF course it's legal! Why would it not be legal to put out an arrest warrent for criminals?

Comment by Raine on 01/29/2008 15:15:33
Mommy? is scaring me.

Comment by Grumpymann on 01/29/2008 15:17:16
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Grumpymann:
Quote by Raine: tweety saying that Condi could be a VP candidate? Dear lawd!


I made a comment about how Condi wasn't fit to "Shine My Shoes".

And Some useless wast of a busted nut Con said that I "...Hated Colards. Like all to the Left Of Bush.".



And yes I got banned for telling him what I thought of him.


DAYMN! Grump!



WOW, what a tool. (I have to tell you, when i first read that, I read Collards. I was thinking that I love the collards! I make mean collards!! )



(you know i love you, right?)






What really put me off was the "To the Left of Chimpy" comment.



As if all of a sudden he's lost his Con card.

Nope he's all theres and I will chain him around their necks with Scooter if I have to!

Comment by Raine on 01/29/2008 15:18:51
Oh no... Momma ... off to the penalty box!....

Comment by Grumpymann on 01/29/2008 15:19:40
Quote by wickedpam: Steph will have to invest in ugly sweaters to sell the juice tiger.


I'd buy that for a dollar..........



Comment by livingonli on 01/29/2008 15:21:36
The President's best-of speech. I guess his writers were on strike too.

Comment by Raine on 01/29/2008 15:22:03
Comment by Grumpymann on 01/29/2008 15:25:00
Quote by livingonli: The President's best-of speech. I guess his writers were on strike too.


Did he say something?



... Worth listening to?

Comment by BobR on 01/29/2008 15:25:04
Morning, folks... :coffee:

Comment by wickedpam on 01/29/2008 15:25:25
From DCRTV:



Couric Does Alfalfa Club, Leaves Alone - 1/29 - CBS News anchor and DC media pixie Katie Couric (right) arrived at the 95th Alfalfa dinner in DC Saturday night on the arm of Fred Ryan, chief executive officer of Allbritton's Channel 7/WJLA, an ABC affiliate. Couric was dressed in a strapless, shimmering, copper-colored gown. According to Beltway gossips, she was one of the last to leave the party and was hotly pursued by several eligible "Alfalfans." But, alas, Katie left the Capital Hilton event alone. According to News Blues, the Alfalfa Club is an exclusive DC hangout for the rich and powerful, founded in 1913. Its sole purpose is to hold an annual banquet each January honoring the birthday of General Robert E. Lee. The club always serves filet mignon and lobster.







WHy is the media pixie going to a club that holds a banquet for Robert E Lee?

Comment by wickedpam on 01/29/2008 15:25:55
Heyya Bob

Comment by Raine on 01/29/2008 15:26:51
Comment by livingonli on 01/29/2008 15:27:23
Morning BobR

Comment by Grumpymann on 01/29/2008 15:27:47
Quote by BobR: Morning, folks... :coffee:


hello

Comment by Raine on 01/29/2008 15:27:59
Too bad we took KAtrina off the drinking list...

Comment by Raine on 01/29/2008 15:29:10
HE was drunk.

Comment by Grumpymann on 01/29/2008 15:30:16
My GOD



He's the Git-R-Done Prez!

Comment by Raine on 01/29/2008 15:31:57
HEya Bobber!

Comment by livingonli on 01/29/2008 15:32:05
Comment by Raine on 01/29/2008 15:35:11
I think FISA is being discussed on Csapn 2 this morning btw... FireDogLake is following the stroy today...



There are rumors about backroom negotiations between the GOP and Dem leadership wherein the GOP is offering consideration of some amendments -- some at a 50 vote margin, some at a 60 vote margin, and some not considered at all. Mitch McConnell is again working to cover Dick Cheney's ass while disrespecting the oversight and restraining role of his own balance of powers duties in the Senate -- not exactly trustworthiness in action. We'll be watching along with everyone as events unfold this morning and bring you updates as we get them.



In what may be my most amusing moment in the FISA fight, the Heritage Foundation wet their Depends because Americans stood up in droves to say "enough!" to the lawbreaking disrespect of the Bush Administration and the rubber stamp obeisance of the Republicans in the Senate. And Congress heard their message loud and clear.


Comment by Raine on 01/29/2008 15:35:52
OOOoooHHHhhhh... caller with the Kennedy ref!

Comment by Grumpymann on 01/29/2008 15:36:38


Comment by Grumpymann on 01/29/2008 15:37:02


Comment by Raine on 01/29/2008 15:38:01


it was hazardous to my liver!







But, seriously, that many people died?!?!? woah.

Comment by Raine on 01/29/2008 15:39:49
Bush could have just phoned that address in last night.

Comment by livingonli on 01/29/2008 15:40:25
Quote by Raine:

it was hazardous to my liver!







But, seriously, that many people died?!?!? woah.


I think that was a spoof article. (I hope).

Comment by Raine on 01/29/2008 15:40:46
F*cker. he is a F8cker.

Comment by Raine on 01/29/2008 15:43:18
Quote by wickedpam: From DCRTV:



Couric Does Alfalfa Club, Leaves Alone - 1/29 - CBS News anchor and DC media pixie Katie Couric (right) arrived at the 95th Alfalfa dinner in DC Saturday night on the arm of Fred Ryan, chief executive officer of Allbritton's Channel 7/WJLA, an ABC affiliate. Couric was dressed in a strapless, shimmering, copper-colored gown. According to Beltway gossips, she was one of the last to leave the party and was hotly pursued by several eligible "Alfalfans." But, alas, Katie left the Capital Hilton event alone. According to News Blues, the Alfalfa Club is an exclusive DC hangout for the rich and powerful, founded in 1913. Its sole purpose is to hold an annual banquet each January honoring the birthday of General Robert E. Lee. The club always serves filet mignon and lobster.







WHy is the media pixie going to a club that holds a banquet for Robert E Lee?
That is both offensiveand disgusting. Offensive that she went, disgusting that there is something called the Alfalfa club. I have never heard of this before.



Comment by BobR on 01/29/2008 15:44:45
Quote by Raine: OOOoooHHHhhhh... caller with the Kennedy ref!


A repub at work last night relayed the latest right-wing joke:



You know what the difference is between Clinton and Kennedy? All of Clinton's girlfriends are still alive.



I pointed out to him the Laura Bush killed someone in a car accident too. He hadn't heard that before. I didn't think so.

Comment by Raine on 01/29/2008 15:45:15
The presidents greatest hts, Imean, greatest Misses speach was last night. That speech was a showcase for all of his utter total and complete failures.



I am surprised that Jim, has not brought up the HUGE ASS lie he told last night about the Liberty Tower in LA.

Comment by BobR on 01/29/2008 15:45:35
Quote by Raine: That is both offensiveand disgusting. Offensive that she went, disgusting that there is something called the Alfalfa club. I have never heard of this before.



Why would they call it the "Alfalfa Club"?? :huh:

Comment by wickedpam on 01/29/2008 15:47:07
I'd never heard of it before either and I've been around DC 98% of my life.



I mean there are a couple of things going on there.



1 The who Lee thing.

2 Why did she go with someone from a competing network

3 why did she go with one guy but leave alone

4 why was she one of the last to leave



Comment by livingonli on 01/29/2008 15:48:17
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam: From DCRTV:



Couric Does Alfalfa Club, Leaves Alone - 1/29 - CBS News anchor and DC media pixie Katie Couric (right) arrived at the 95th Alfalfa dinner in DC Saturday night on the arm of Fred Ryan, chief executive officer of Allbritton's Channel 7/WJLA, an ABC affiliate. Couric was dressed in a strapless, shimmering, copper-colored gown. According to Beltway gossips, she was one of the last to leave the party and was hotly pursued by several eligible "Alfalfans." But, alas, Katie left the Capital Hilton event alone. According to News Blues, the Alfalfa Club is an exclusive DC hangout for the rich and powerful, founded in 1913. Its sole purpose is to hold an annual banquet each January honoring the birthday of General Robert E. Lee. The club always serves filet mignon and lobster.







WHy is the media pixie going to a club that holds a banquet for Robert E Lee?
That is both offensiveand disgusting. Offensive that she went, disgusting that there is something called the Alfalfa club. I have never heard of this before.



I look at this and wonder how can people think that Katie Couric is a liberal when all the evidence including her campaign contributions indicates that she is a right-wing tool. And probably further proof that right-wingers really aren't all that bright. If she hangs out with people nostalgic for the confederacy she apparently is a racist as well.

Comment by Raine on 01/29/2008 15:48:57
Quote by livingonli:
Quote by Raine:

it was hazardous to my liver!







But, seriously, that many people died?!?!? woah.


I think that was a spoof article. (I hope).
::forrest gump Voice::: Jenny, I'm not a smart man... :rofl:



Comment by wickedpam on 01/29/2008 15:51:36
Comment by livingonli on 01/29/2008 15:53:49


Where the elite meet to wash their feet and thumb their noses at the little guy.

Comment by Raine on 01/29/2008 15:54:00
Anyone out there got a copy of the transcript of the speech? I want to double check something and then send it off to the show.

Comment by BobR on 01/29/2008 15:56:13
I think I'm glad I missed the speech. He sounded like one of those guys that sprays when they talk, with the spittle foaming up at the corners of his mouth...

Comment by livingonli on 01/29/2008 15:59:08
The 911 reasons why that strategy didn't work.

Comment by Raine on 01/29/2008 16:03:04
Found it! Now, I wish someone who heard the speech with me last night were here... I thought I heard the president actually say the Liberty tower, but from the transcript on the WH site, it reads:
On the home front, we will continue to take every lawful and effective measure to protect our country. This is our most solemn duty. We are grateful that there has not been another attack on our soil since 9/11. This is not for the lack of desire or effort on the part of the enemy. In the past six years, we've stopped numerous attacks, including a plot to fly a plane into the tallest building in Los Angeles and another to blow up passenger jets bound for America over the Atlantic. Dedicated men and women in our government toil day and night to stop the terrorists from carrying out their plans. These good citizens are saving American lives, and everyone in this chamber owes them our thanks. (Applause.)





Either way, that story has been patently proved to be false. The repsident said in FEbruary 2006
We now know that in October 2001, Khalid Shaykh Muhammad — the mastermind of the September the 11th attacks — had already set in motion a plan to have terrorist operatives hijack an airplane using shoe bombs to breach the cockpit door, and fly the plane into the tallest building on the West Coast. We believe the intended target was Liberty Tower in Los Angeles, California.


There is no liberty Tower.













Comment by BobR on 01/29/2008 16:05:08
Quote by Raine: Found it! Now, I wish someone who heard the speech with me last night were here... I thought I heard the president actually say the Liberty tower, but from the transcript on the WH site, it reads:

There is no liberty Tower.



of course - you are getting the "Scrubbed" version - try to find a YouTube or something. They can't scrub the video.



Comment by Raine on 01/29/2008 16:07:38
Quote by Raine: Found it! Now, I wish someone who heard the speech with me last night were here... I thought I heard the president actually say the Liberty tower, but from the transcript on the WH site, it reads:
On the home front, we will continue to take every lawful and effective measure to protect our country. This is our most solemn duty. We are grateful that there has not been another attack on our soil since 9/11. This is not for the lack of desire or effort on the part of the enemy. In the past six years, we've stopped numerous attacks, including a plot to fly a plane into the tallest building in Los Angeles and another to blow up passenger jets bound for America over the Atlantic. Dedicated men and women in our government toil day and night to stop the terrorists from carrying out their plans. These good citizens are saving American lives, and everyone in this chamber owes them our thanks. (Applause.)





Either way, that story has been patently proved to be false. The repsident said in FEbruary 2006
We now know that in October 2001, Khalid Shaykh Muhammad — the mastermind of the September the 11th attacks — had already set in motion a plan to have terrorist operatives hijack an airplane using shoe bombs to breach the cockpit door, and fly the plane into the tallest building on the West Coast. We believe the intended target was Liberty Tower in Los Angeles, California.


There is no liberty Tower.













IT really makes no sense. And it bothers me to NO end that he is lying so blatently.

Comment by Raine on 01/29/2008 16:10:04
Quote by BobR:
Quote by Raine: Found it! Now, I wish someone who heard the speech with me last night were here... I thought I heard the president actually say the Liberty tower, but from the transcript on the WH site, it reads:

There is no liberty Tower.



of course - you are getting the "Scrubbed" version - try to find a YouTube or something. They can't scrub the video.

I am looking for it. Feverishly.



Comment by livingonli on 01/29/2008 16:11:02
Raine, maybe you should repost those pictures of the Runaway Bride and Norah O'Donnell.

Comment by Raine on 01/29/2008 16:12:40
Damn I wish I recorded the speech now.

Comment by Raine on 01/29/2008 16:18:42
Quote by livingonli: Raine, maybe you should repost those pictures of the Runaway Bride and Norah O'Donnell.
ASk and ye shall recieve... Nora O'donnel is the Runaway bride...





Runaway bride... before and after the stylist did his work...



http://msnbcmedia3.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/050505/050505_blamingMinorities_vmed_4p.widec.jpg


And after...



http://www.prsadetroit.org/StateConf/images/speakers/NorahODonnell.jpg




Comment by livingonli on 01/29/2008 16:19:47
Thanks, Raine, you are the best.

Comment by TriSec on 01/29/2008 16:30:07
Well, folks...TriSec is a wee bit giddy this morning.



We've just had a major information session regarding our new office in Belfast, Maine...including job opportunities and relocation incentives.



WE'RE MOVING TO MAINE!!! (as long as I get a position up there, I mean!)



But many of my concerns have been addressed....and given the housing situation in the Boston Metro area...this will answer all of our prayers and turn the lowly family Tri's situation 180º from where we've been heading!









Comment by Raine on 01/29/2008 16:33:11
In my search to find video of the speech last nite, I am falling over some :gag: RW sites... It occurs tome, these people , there little tiny group of bush loves think his speech was amazing... what are they going to do when he is not in there to push his imperialistism?



What will they do? PLEASE! won't someone think of the children?

Comment by wickedpam on 01/29/2008 16:33:27
OH! Tri I'm so happy for you guys!





Sending good vibes your way for a job up there! ~~~~~~~:hug:~~~~~~

Comment by livingonli on 01/29/2008 16:34:49
Tri, would you miss Boston if you left? Unless I get a job that pays more money than I am currently making I may have to think about leaving New York/Long Island.

Comment by Raine on 01/29/2008 16:35:26
Quote by TriSec: Well, folks...TriSec is a wee bit giddy this morning.



We've just had a major information session regarding our new office in Belfast, Maine...including job opportunities and relocation incentives.



WE'RE MOVING TO MAINE!!! (as long as I get a position up there, I mean!)



But many of my concerns have been addressed....and given the housing situation in the Boston Metro area...this will answer all of our prayers and turn the lowly family Tri's situation 180º from where we've been heading!







OMG!!



TRI! this is huge! I am so happy for you and your family!!!



Comment by BobR on 01/29/2008 16:35:45
Quote by TriSec: Well, folks...TriSec is a wee bit giddy this morning.



We've just had a major information session regarding our new office in Belfast, Maine...including job opportunities and relocation incentives.



WE'RE MOVING TO MAINE!!! (as long as I get a position up there, I mean!)



But many of my concerns have been addressed....and given the housing situation in the Boston Metro area...this will answer all of our prayers and turn the lowly family Tri's situation 180º from where we've been heading!



Good for you - I know you'll miss Boston, but I think Javi will thrive in a small town



Comment by livingonli on 01/29/2008 16:36:28
I used to run those John Bastow ads on the old Metro channel that I used to work on until I got laid off when the channel folded.

Comment by wickedpam on 01/29/2008 16:36:41
Someone's been reading Perez this morning.

Comment by Raine on 01/29/2008 16:37:22
Looks like when we finally get back north for a visit we will have to go more north, instead of more east... :)

Comment by livingonli on 01/29/2008 16:39:34
Quote by livingonli: I used to run those John Bastow ads on the old Metro channel that I used to work on until I got laid off when the channel folded.


And the commercial tapes were sent to us from nearby Farmingdale.

Comment by Raine on 01/29/2008 16:40:02
RACHEL!!

Comment by wickedpam on 01/29/2008 16:40:04
Rachel! :bow:

Comment by livingonli on 01/29/2008 16:40:33
Yay. Rachel. This bit will be longer than the MSNBC segment.

Comment by Raine on 01/29/2008 16:41:12
:bow: to the good doctor!!!

Comment by Raine on 01/29/2008 16:42:17
:rofl:

Comment by wickedpam on 01/29/2008 16:42:58
Love the Rachel/Steph chemistry! :spit:

Comment by livingonli on 01/29/2008 16:44:11
That was an awesome bit there.

Comment by livingonli on 01/29/2008 16:44:50
Steph's not even a naughty nurse.

Comment by wickedpam on 01/29/2008 16:44:54
"I feel like a big slab of dumb next to her." :rofl: :rofl:

Comment by livingonli on 01/29/2008 16:47:07
When Rachel and Steph are on together.



Rachel with the brains.



And Momma with the big slab of dumb. <--- :duh:

Comment by TriSec on 01/29/2008 16:48:39
Cryptic reply to a previous voice mail: (you know who you are)



E, G#, B (triad)

E, G#, B, D# (chord)

E, G#, B, D#, F# (9th)





Comment by m-hadley on 01/29/2008 16:49:29
Heya gang,

I'm just back from a GREAT JOHN EDWARDS rally - 400 - 500 people squeezed into a small Union Hall. I shook Senator Edwards hand twice, he signed my book (Four Trials) and I whooped and hollered and was proud of my fellow Tulsans whose biggest standing ovation was reserved for Edwards' plan to get this country the hell out of Iraq. I am inspired and I think that I may be back on the Edwards bandwagon - I slipped two business cards to his handlers on which I'd scrawled Please call the Stephanie Miller Show (1-800-783-7412) on the back. Called in a nd talked with Rebekah, but couldn't stay on the line. I may try to call in tomorrow and give a report. Whew, it's super windy outside today but I think that a clean sweeping breeze may be just what this country needs at the moment =)

Comment by livingonli on 01/29/2008 16:52:40
Sounds like it was awesome, Faye.

Comment by Raine on 01/29/2008 16:58:09
Quote by m-hadley: Heya gang,

I'm just back from a GREAT JOHN EDWARDS rally - 400 - 500 people squeezed into a small Union Hall. I shook Senator Edwards hand twice, he signed my book (Four Trials) and I whooped and hollered and was proud of my fellow Tulsans whose biggest standing ovation was reserved for Edwards' plan to get this country the hell out of Iraq. I am inspired and I think that I may be back on the Edwards bandwagon - I slipped two business cards to his handlers on which I'd scrawled Please call the Stephanie Miller Show (1-800-783-7412) on the back. Called in a nd talked with Rebekah, but couldn't stay on the line. I may try to call in tomorrow and give a report. Whew, it's super windy outside today but I think that a clean sweeping breeze may be just what this country needs at the moment =)




AMEN SISTAH!!! you done REAL GOOD!



Comment by BobR on 01/29/2008 16:59:52
Quote by m-hadley: Heya gang,

I'm just back from a GREAT JOHN EDWARDS rally - 400 - 500 people squeezed into a small Union Hall. I shook Senator Edwards hand twice, he signed my book (Four Trials) and I whooped and hollered and was proud of my fellow Tulsans whose biggest standing ovation was reserved for Edwards' plan to get this country the hell out of Iraq. I am inspired and I think that I may be back on the Edwards bandwagon - I slipped two business cards to his handlers on which I'd scrawled Please call the Stephanie Miller Show (1-800-783-7412) on the back. Called in a nd talked with Rebekah, but couldn't stay on the line. I may try to call in tomorrow and give a report. Whew, it's super windy outside today but I think that a clean sweeping breeze may be just what this country needs at the moment =)


:clap: :banana:

Comment by Raine on 01/29/2008 17:02:01
Faye, PLEASE, if you are so inclined, feel free to open blog entry this afternoon about your morning (of course alongside you own Blog entry) or add it to our 4F endorsement thread...



AND please if you choose to open a blog here, you MUST give a link back to your own blog! promotion is ALWAYS welcomed here!



I a so happy that you got to an Edwards Rally!!!

Comment by livingonli on 01/29/2008 17:03:55
Our primary candidates on the political compass.



This really shows how narrow US political discourse is.

Comment by Raine on 01/29/2008 17:05:38
Quote by TriSec: Cryptic reply to a previous voice mail: (you know who you are)



E, G#, B (triad)

E, G#, B, D# (chord)

E, G#, B, D#, F# (9th)



If it was regarding my call last night... I hope I did not upset you...I just wanted to add TMRS SOTU DG to our blog.





and I am very bad... ok, no, I am not bad, I have NO CLUE on reading music!



And if it was not me, I apologize for my own guilty feelings and worrying that I did something wrong. :(



Comment by m-hadley on 01/29/2008 17:05:40
Quote by Raine: Anyone out there got a copy of the transcript of the speech? I want to double check something and then send it off to the show.


Raine,

I link to it on my blog under "the lackluster speech of dumbya" or something to that effect, BTB, I shook John Edwards' hand twice (once for you my dear ;)

Comment by m-hadley on 01/29/2008 17:14:49
Quote by Raine: Faye, PLEASE, if you are so inclined, feel free to open blog entry this afternoon about your morning (of course alongside you own Blog entry) or add it to our 4F endorsement thread...



AND please if you choose to open a blog here, you MUST give a link back to your own blog! promotion is ALWAYS welcomed here!



I a so happy that you got to an Edwards Rally!!!




Raine,

I'm back at work (which is really interferring with my true calling which is to be a full-time blogger/political geek ;), so I'm not sure when I'll get around to blogging about this morning's rally. I'm working until 8pm tonight, I'm hoping to get in a skosh of blog time before I head for home tonight, but I will definitely blog at 4Fs tonight if not sooner - you guys all rock....Thanks again for making last night bearable



Comment by Raine on 01/29/2008 17:23:43
OK, I take it back... Bush did not say LIBERTY TOWER. But Thom is also saying that the plot was a lie.



AND... :bow: praise to Thom for mentioning this story!!!

Comment by MMB on 01/29/2008 17:24:14
I just wanted to comment on the Alfalfa club.Yes it is to honor Gen.R.E.LEE B/D but it is more than anything a roast. Astronauts Neil Armstrong,John Glenn and Frank Borman have all attended. Former Mayor of Atlanta Andrew Young i guess he was there clinging to that old southern confederacy. And even our 35th president JFK attended this event. Apparently it's not just them there good ole southern boys and girls going to this. I am a proud southern woman no I am not proud of some of the things done in the past but we are not the only people that have been wrong. Judgement in any form against anyone is really the greater evil in humans. And I think Katie was born in Ga. But many that go are not southern. Just my humble thoughts.

Comment by MMB on 01/29/2008 17:33:06
Sorry Katie was born in Va. It was parents and grandparents that were those southern born in Alabama,Ms. she did trace a family member from france that was a cotton broker.

Comment by Raine on 01/29/2008 17:39:07
Quote by MMB: I just wanted to comment on the Alfalfa club.Yes it is to honor Gen.R.E.LEE B/D but it is more than anything a roast. Astronauts Neil Armstrong,John Glenn and Frank Borman have all attended. Former Mayor of Atlanta Andrew Young i guess he was there clinging to that old southern confederacy. And even our 35th president JFK attended this event. Apparently it's not just them there good ole southern boys and girls going to this. I am a proud southern woman no I am not proud of some of the things done in the past but we are not the only people that have been wrong. Judgement in any form against anyone is really the greater evil in humans. And I think Katie was born in Ga. But many that go are not southern. Just my humble thoughts.




JFK and Young were fools for attending.



As I said, I had not heard of this club before today. I find it reprehensible to celebrate a traitor to the united States of America.



The real question here is this... WHY was Couric There?



And I refuse to celebrate, at any time, the civil war. It is a disgrace to America. WHY is this called the Alfalfa Club? Does anyone else here feel that this is a bit racsist?





Comment by TriSec on 01/29/2008 17:46:06
Gee, Maine would make Olympia Snowe my Senator, wouldn't it?



Well, I suppose it could be worse.



: scurries off to do additional research :





Comment by Raine on 01/29/2008 17:51:13
Quote by m-hadley:
Quote by Raine: Anyone out there got a copy of the transcript of the speech? I want to double check something and then send it off to the show.


Raine,

I link to it on my blog under "the lackluster speech of dumbya" or something to that effect, BTB, I shook John Edwards' hand twice (once for you my dear )
*sigh*



Graci!



LEt me put this out there... if ANYONE needs a place to stay for the Edwards event on Wednesday... we have a room! We also have a few couches!



We have room for 5 - 7 people!











Comment by Raine on 01/29/2008 17:53:03
OMG... I KNOW WESLEY!!!

Comment by Raine on 01/29/2008 18:02:55
Quote by TriSec: Gee, Maine would make Olympia Snowe my Senator, wouldn't it?



Well, I suppose it could be worse.



: scurries off to do additional research :



I used to have Chuck and Hill... I moved and now I have... Gulp... (puking a little bit...)

Saxby Chambliss and Johnny Isakson ... What the hell are those names????? mAll those men have done is carry Bush's water.



AND, regarding Saxby... I hope he can live with himself after he swiftboated Max Cleland. He is a pig.



I am here in Georgia, trying to get people to stop votng against their own best interests.

That was one of the many reasons I came down here to do. I like a good fight I guess.



I like fair fights better.







Comment by Raine on 01/29/2008 18:05:29
Quote by Raine: OMG... I KNOW WESLEY!!!


Just to fill y'all in.. Wesley from georgia is a local activist...

Comment by TriSec on 01/29/2008 18:06:05
Skimming the Maine government sites...



They have Republicans there!!!



But the governor is a Democrat.... Seems like the "reverse-Romney" effect to me.



That might be the hardest part about moving away from this bluest of states...





Comment by Raine on 01/29/2008 18:11:01
The *SOTU* was not that at all... it was NOTHING about our state of the Union. nor was it about bringing the Union forward.



Truly.. it was about George W. Bush. Nothing more, nothing less.



IT had NOTHING to do with America. NOTHING.

Comment by Raine on 01/29/2008 18:17:43
Quote by TriSec: Skimming the Maine government sites...



They have Republicans there!!!



But the governor is a Democrat.... Seems like the "reverse-Romney" effect to me.



That might be the hardest part about moving away from this bluest of states...







TRi....



I moved from NY to GA.



WE (us NY'rs) might have been the bluest of blue, but ... Georgia, like Maine is not the reddest of red.

When I came down here, I just decided to get MORE active, politically!



I have always believed this, you gotta do the work, 1 person at a time. And if you guys do go forward with this, I expect some serous activism!



Comment by livingonli on 01/29/2008 18:25:35
I still have Chuck and Hill as my Senators.

Comment by TriSec on 01/29/2008 18:58:20
Say, can the Atlanta contingent tell me anything about a resort down there called the "Chateau Elan"?



The spouse of a co-worker is there right now for a conference...and he reports that the food is lousy.



Website sure looks purty, though.





Comment by livingonli on 01/29/2008 19:16:00
Heading out a little early. We have a crew call at 3 PM today.

Comment by BobR on 01/29/2008 19:26:33
Quote by TriSec: Say, can the Atlanta contingent tell me anything about a resort down there called the "Chateau Elan"?



The spouse of a co-worker is there right now for a conference...and he reports that the food is lousy.



Website sure looks purty, though.





Chateau Elan is a winery in GA. They make mediocre sweet wines for people that don't like Real wine. It's not really a resort town; more an over-priced resort (hotel, golf course, etc). There is an Irish pub on the premises however that has good food and a much less snotty atmosphere.



trivia bit: It's located in Braselton, GA, the town that Kim Basinger bought back in the late 80's...

Comment by BobR on 01/29/2008 19:28:16
Quote by Raine:



JFK and Young were fools for attending.



As I said, I had not heard of this club before today. I find it reprehensible to celebrate a traitor to the united States of America.



The real question here is this... WHY was Couric There?



And I refuse to celebrate, at any time, the civil war. It is a disgrace to America. WHY is this called the Alfalfa Club? Does anyone else here feel that this is a bit racsist?





The club was formed in 1913, which predates the Little Rascals. I can't imagine any other racist connotation from the name, but I may be overlooking something...

Comment by BobR on 01/29/2008 19:30:58
Quote by Raine:



TRi....



I moved from NY to GA.



WE (us NY'rs) might have been the bluest of blue, but ... Georgia, like Maine is not the reddest of red.

When I came down here, I just decided to get MORE active, politically!



I have always believed this, you gotta do the work, 1 person at a time. And if you guys do go forward with this, I expect some serous activism!



Actually, GA IS pretty red, but living in the ATL, it's sometimes hard to believe it.

Comment by TriSec on 01/29/2008 20:30:00
say, has that asteroid gone by us? I guess we didn't die...





Comment by wickedpam on 01/29/2008 21:13:55
My watercolors



Let me know what you think - unless you hate it

Comment by livingonli on 01/29/2008 21:52:03
Quote by wickedpam: My watercolors



Let me know what you think - unless you hate it


Those are nice. I didn't know you had the art bug in you.

Comment by Raine on 01/29/2008 22:20:08
Quote by wickedpam: My watercolors Let me know what you think - unless you hate it
They are really pretty mala! I love them, especially the partridge.

Comment by Raine on 01/29/2008 22:22:12
pam, you have developed so much!!! I am very very impressed.

Comment by Raine on 01/29/2008 22:25:00
Quote by TriSec: say, has that asteroid gone by us? I guess we didn't die...
No earthquakes or nothing? Whew. good news indeed.

Comment by Grumpymann on 01/29/2008 22:33:41
Quote by wickedpam: My watercolors



Let me know what you think - unless you hate it


Can I use one as one of my avatars?

Comment by BobR on 01/29/2008 22:44:18
Quote by wickedpam: My watercolors



Let me know what you think - unless you hate it


wow - very cool!



In some ways they remind me of Chagal, in some ways they remind me of stained glass, and in some ways they remind me of 70's hippy (that's a good thing )

Comment by velveeta jones on 01/29/2008 22:55:50
HOME!!!!!!



YAY!!!!



Long drive with dog...........but I'm home. Missed you guys, and Steph.





Comment by BobR on 01/29/2008 22:56:22
Randi saying a caller "threw away" his vote. That really irritates me. The only vote that's "wasted" is the one not cast.

Comment by Raine on 01/29/2008 23:16:31
GUH... listening to RAch... the president said, "congreshearmarks." No, I am not joking. David bender is filling in for the good doctor.

Comment by Raine on 01/29/2008 23:17:54
Quote by velveeta jones: HOME!!!!!! YAY!!!! Long drive with dog...........but I'm home. Missed you guys, and Steph.
WElcome Home Velveeta. here...

Comment by Raine on 01/29/2008 23:19:42
Quote by BobR: Randi saying a caller "threw away" his vote. That really irritates me. The only vote that's "wasted" is the one not cast.
Amen. It does not matter if a person votes early or not, they voted, and THAT in the end is what matters.

Comment by Raine on 01/29/2008 23:21:42
Quote by Raine:
Quote by BobR: Randi saying a caller "threw away" his vote. That really irritates me. The only vote that's "wasted" is the one not cast.
Amen. It does not matter if a person votes early or not, they voted, and THAT in the end is what matters.
Unless, of course, it's a vote for Ralph Nader.... ;)

Comment by velveeta jones on 01/29/2008 23:25:18
Quote by BobR: Randi saying a caller "threw away" his vote. That really irritates me. The only vote that's "wasted" is the one not cast.


Or the one not counted............like mine in 2004 for sure, and 2000 probably!



Comment by livingonli on 01/29/2008 23:43:35
Quote by Raine: GUH... listening to RAch... the president said, "congreshearmarks." No, I am not joking. David bender is filling in for the good doctor.


I guess she's working the MSNBC beat again tonight. They are already in their coverage. Can you believe the polls in Florida close at 5 PM? What about people who work?

Comment by Raine on 01/30/2008 00:36:57
SO we have a confirmation... we are going to the jefferson JAckson post dinner rallt tommorrow night... All three candidates will be there, and we will be representing the Edwards campaign!
We have extra tickets, iffin anyone can show up... *cough* ms. Jones, or Mr. Mondo *cough*


Comment by Raine on 01/30/2008 00:38:12
Quote by livingonli:
Quote by Raine: GUH... listening to RAch... the president said, "congreshearmarks." No, I am not joking. David bender is filling in for the good doctor.
I guess she's working the MSNBC beat again tonight. They are already in their coverage. Can you believe the polls in Florida close at 5 PM? What about people who work?
Everyone is supposd to be retired down there!!! :P

Comment by livingonli on 01/30/2008 00:51:25
Anyone know how the GOP primary's going? Especially how badly Rudy might be doing? :P

Comment by Raine on 01/30/2008 00:56:45
McCain 34%

Romney 31%

Rudy 18%



12% of the vote in....

Huckabee 13%



Update....



34%McCain, 30% Romney, Rudy 17% hhuck 13% paul 3%

Comment by livingonli on 01/30/2008 01:10:44
He's toaste.

Comment by m-hadley on 01/30/2008 01:18:54
Hey there Raine,

I just posted an entry on my blog about the Edwards Rally this morning - don't have my photos back yet - I still use an old-fashioned cheap little instamatic camera, but I get my photos developed on CDs so it all works out - just takes a little longer. Anyway, if you would be so kind to direct me how I can cross-post my piece, I'd be much obliged. Thanks for your help and support. Hope you all are having a good day - my butt is dragging, only 40 more minutes til I can head home.

Comment by m-hadley on 01/30/2008 01:29:32
Quote by wickedpam: My watercolors



Let me know what you think - unless you hate it




Just catching up after a busy day here at the liberry - Pam, your paintings are beautiful - I am really impressed. How do you control watercolors like that?

Very very lovely...

Comment by m-hadley on 01/30/2008 01:37:43
Quote by TriSec: Gee, Maine would make Olympia Snowe my Senator, wouldn't it?



Well, I suppose it could be worse.



: scurries off to do additional research :





yeah, you could have Senators Tom "Giant Lesbians have invaded our schools" Coburn and Jim "global warming is a hoax" Inhofe - those are the two knuckleheads that represent Oklahoma in DC - sheesh

Comment by velveeta jones on 01/30/2008 01:58:22
File this in the "isn't this odd" catagory: Problems with voting in Miami-Dade.



My friend Chris Dolan just happens to write for the paper!!



Among the affected: Miami Herald Theater Critic Christine Dolen, who voted at precinct T010 on Pine Island Road in Davie -- or at least tried.



When she checked into the polling place, Dolen received confirmation of her status as a registered Democrat.



She cast her vote on the property-tax amendment and, then, to her dismay, discovered that the ballot for the Democratic presidential primary never appeared on her machine.



'I told the woman who had activated the machine for me, and she said, `You already voted -- sorry,' '' Dolen said. 'Then, I found the polling place supervisor, who said, `I think that's all Democrats get to vote on, since the presidential vote doesn't count.' ''




Wow. That's weird. Who could imagine that there would be voting problems........in Florida.







Comment by velveeta jones on 01/30/2008 02:03:20
DAMMIT. Fuckabee is speaking live. But he's not telling us that he's giving up.



Asshat.



(Oh, and he ends his comments by telling people to try to stop other voters who might not vote for him. NICE.)

Comment by velveeta jones on 01/30/2008 02:20:10
WOW Mala!! Great water colors!! I hope I'm your secret blogger joe next year. (hint hint)

Comment by Mondobubba on 01/30/2008 02:55:46
Quote by m-hadley:
Quote by wickedpam: My watercolors



Let me know what you think - unless you hate it




Just catching up after a busy day here at the liberry - Pam, your paintings are beautiful - I am really impressed. How do you control watercolors like that?

Very very lovely...


Ohh Mala very nice!

Comment by Mondobubba on 01/30/2008 02:57:16
In other news, I was talking with my mom earlier and she said Public Radio Mosheen! :metal:

Comment by MMB on 01/30/2008 03:12:21


I guess she's working the MSNBC beat again tonigh They are already in their coverage. Can you believe the polls in Florida close at 5 PM? What about people who work?


The polls are open in Fl. 7am - 7pm central time in the Pan Handle and Eastern time for the rest of the state.

Comment by Raine on 01/30/2008 05:05:30
Breaking from MSNBC... Rudy is going to Endorse McCain tomorrow, funny thing is he still has not dropped out of the race... :huh:





Rudy can't even get dropping out of the race right.

Comment by livingonli on 01/30/2008 06:48:58
Quote by Raine: Breaking from MSNBC... Rudy is going to Endorse McCain tomorrow, funny thing is he still has not dropped out of the race... :huh:





Rudy can't even get dropping out of the race right.


He can't get acting like a human being right. So, why should he get anything else right?