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Wheeling and dealing
Author: Raine    Date: 06/27/2011 13:29:42

By now you know, New York became the 5th (6th if one includes Washington DC) and largest state to recognize marriage equality. As expected, the Clergy and conservative groups have expressed dismay and outrage. The Washington Times reports:
The National Organization for Marriage (NOM) is pledging $2 million to “make sure that New York Republicans understand that voting for gay marriage has consequences,” said Mr. Brown, adding that NOM will also push for a constitutional amendment to allow the people of New York to vote on marriage.
While such outrage was expected, both sides fail to see that Governor Andrew Cuomo actually expected this and dealt with it before the law was passed. This is the stuff that politics are made of. A few weeks ago, Cuomo had high level members of his administration meet with a few very very rich Republican donors:
It sounded improbable: top Republican moneymen helping a Democratic rival with one of his biggest legislative goals.

But the donors in the room — the billionaire Paul Singer, whose son is gay, joined by the hedge fund managers Cliff Asness and Daniel Loeb — had the influence and the money to insulate nervous senators from conservative backlash if they supported the marriage measure. And they were inclined to see the issue as one of personal freedom, consistent with their more libertarian views.

Within days, the wealthy Republicans sent back word: They were on board. Each of them cut six-figure checks to the lobbying campaign that eventually totaled more than $1 million.
Also from the article was this:
By the time a Catholic bishop from Brooklyn traveled to Albany last week to tell undecided senators that passing same-sex marriage “is not in keeping with the will of their people,” it was clear the church had been outmaneuvered by the highly organized same-sex marriage coalition, with its sprawling field team and, especially, its Wall Street donors.
So it is interesting that the NY Daily news had an article where the NYS Catholic Dioceses expressed outrage and deep concern about the legislation:
Bishop Nicholas DiMarzio, of the diocese of Brooklyn, called on all Catholic schools to reject any honor bestowed upon them by Gov. Cuomo, who played a pivotal role in getting the bill passed.

He further asked all pastors and principals to "not invite any state legislator to speak or be present at any parish or school celebration."

"This is a further erosion of the real understanding of marriage," DiMarzio told the Daily News. "The state should not be concerned about regulating affection."
In this case as well, the legislation was written so that Churches and religious organizations are actually ALLOWED to discriminate. There is a religious exemption in the law. In my opinion, as horrible as it may be for a religion to discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation, it is still a matter of separation of Church and State. It does of course open up an entire new can of worms with regard to health care and say, Catholic Hospitals, and charities -- so there is still work to be done, but for now, the law says that the Church can refuse to recognize marriage in their churches, should they choose. Making that choice really puts those particular Churches in a bad light; regardless of the law. What happened in NYS over the weekend changes everything. From Reuters:
The new law's impact can be measured in part by the numbers at play: New York is home to more than 42,000 same-sex couples, according to an analysis of U.S. census data conducted by the Williams Institute. This means, among other things, that the number of same-sex couples living in states allowing same-sex marriage has more than doubled overnight.
The numbers matter. Having doubled the amount of LGBT people eligible to marry makes the foundation for DOMA even more unstable. People will expect to have the same rights as they do in the states or district they are married in. The 14th amendment says just that in it's equal protection clause:
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
I know that many people want Obama to be more forceful in dealing with LGBT rights. He's has done a lot, but there is more to do. The President can lawfully only do so much and right now the political will in Congress to overturn DOMA is not there. That's why the decision to not defend it in the courts is important. Andrew Cuomo is just a governor, he had the resources as such to make sure this bill was crafted and passed the way it was. The NYS Senate does not operate the way the United States Senate does. Take a look at what Yglesias writes over at think progress:
Still, I would say that the bigger difference isn’t so much about the leadership style as it is that Cuomo won. Suppose that the New York State Senate operated according to the rules of the United States Senate and a bill failed unless it secured a 60 percent supermajority. What would people be saying about Andrew Cuomo now? Well, it seems to me that many people would be castigating his failed leadership. Instead of Michael Barbaro’s account of his behind-the-scenes leadership reading like a virtuouso performance it would be reading like a story of a failed inside game. The meeting with high-dollar pro-equality Republican donors would seem not savvy, but naive and weak. Conversely, if the US Senate operated on a 50 vote rule, then both the Affordable Care Act and the Dodd-Frank bill would have gone further in advancing progressive priorities, there would have been more economic stimulus in the 111th Congress, the DREAM Act would have passed, and it’s conceivable that some kind of nationwide carbon pricing scheme would be in place.

Which is just to say that political institutions matter, a lot. Getting concurrent majorities in two legislative houses, as Cuomo did, is very hard. Getting a 60 percent supermajority is harder.
I'm not sure the President has the resources to work the way Cuomo did, but by not defending DOMA and letting the states take the lead it will only be a matter of time before it is repealed and we will have marriage equality for all on a federal level. It's either that or it goes to the Supreme court, and there are a LOT of precedents there for it to be overturned. The 14th Amendment is just one example -- as seen in the SCOTUS case Loving V. Virginia. Even then, sadly -- it wasn't until 2000 when Alabama finally repealed laws barring interracial couples the right to marry. There is a long way to go, but I believe on this issue, we are on our way. Having doubled the amount of equality is a very big deal. Having it passed thru legislative means is an even bigger deal.

Sometimes, playing hard-nosed politics is the way to get it done. What happened in NYS might not have been pretty, but after nearly a decade, it happened. Pretty or not, it is better than inequality.

I NY

Raine
 

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Comment by wickedpam on 06/27/2011 13:08:42
Morning

Comment by BobR on 06/27/2011 13:20:21
This one is for Pam and Raine. All I can say is: OMFG!

Comment by wickedpam on 06/27/2011 13:29:25
Quote by BobR:
This one is for Pam and Raine. All I can say is: OMFG!



I"m now embarassed that I watched that!

I feel bad those back up dancers weren't even good enough to be Solid Gold dancers

Comment by TriSec on 06/27/2011 13:35:46
Morning, comrades!

It's worth noting that my conservative friends over at East Coast Conservatives tried to pick this apart last night. They couldn't do it. There was at least consensus that it was done correctly and appears to be ironclad.

Discriminatory or not, I agree with the loophole that allows churches to opt out of marrying same-sex couples. Those rights do go both ways; I wouldn't want the church dictating what the law says, nor should the law dictate what the church does. As a private entity, they can discriminate all they want. (Which is the same defense used by the BSA, btw.)

For the record, some Episcopalians and most Unitarians do sanctify and allow same-sex church weddings.


Comment by Scoopster on 06/27/2011 13:39:22
Mornin' all & Happy Mondee!

Comment by Raine on 06/27/2011 13:40:36
Quote by BobR:
This one is for Pam and Raine. All I can say is: OMFG!
There should be a permanent ban on RHW singing unless they did it for a LIVING before the show. that was pukifying.


Comment by Mondobubba on 06/27/2011 13:56:26
Quote by TriSec:
Morning, comrades!

It's worth noting that my conservative friends over at East Coast Conservatives tried to pick this apart last night. They couldn't do it. There was at least consensus that it was done correctly and appears to be ironclad.

Discriminatory or not, I agree with the loophole that allows churches to opt out of marrying same-sex couples. Those rights do go both ways; I wouldn't want the church dictating what the law says, nor should the law dictate what the church does. As a private entity, they can discriminate all they want. (Which is the same defense used by the BSA, btw.)

For the record, some Episcopalians and most Unitarians do sanctify and allow same-sex church weddings.



Don't forget The United Church of Christ. Despite having a holyroller sounding name the are are so no.

Comment by TriSec on 06/27/2011 14:08:51
Ah, indeed. Good to know.

I wonder what position the Satanic Pit of Antichrist Disciples From Hell has taken.

< dodges brick >



Comment by Raine on 06/27/2011 14:22:30
Quote by TriSec:
Ah, indeed. Good to know.

I wonder what position the Satanic Pit of Antichrist Disciples From Hell has taken.

< dodges brick >

They are probably happy with the Catholic Churches decision --- more business they think ...


Comment by Raine on 06/27/2011 14:43:45
Mary from Lawnguyland ...

Good luck getting her off the line!

Comment by Raine on 06/27/2011 14:45:44
Does MAry Realize that this is a radio show, not a cawfee clatch?

Comment by TriSec on 06/27/2011 14:51:12
Whitey Bulger aside:

It would be interesting to check out where Billy Bulger may have vacationed over the past 15 years. Any west-coast trips there?



Comment by TriSec on 06/27/2011 15:05:25
Oh, and another thing. The local media has been rife with speculation about the Gardner Museum theft over the weekend.

While art theft wasn't Whitey's M.O., this did happen at the height of his reign. While he probably didn't have a direct hand in it, he almost certainly knew who did, or has the "friend of a friend" connection.

I wrote about the theft a while back.

Comment by Raine on 06/27/2011 15:07:02
Interesting to me was the reasons the justices used. Supreme Court strikes down violent video game ban I can't believe that I actually agree with Thomas on this...


I mean I could get all hyperbolic about this and ask why not let kids buy porn? Why not let 8 years olds into adult shops?

This actually seemed like a decent common sense law.

Comment by Raine on 06/27/2011 15:13:21
I didn't know that NYS doesn't have eligibility requirements for marriage. That makes what NYS did even more amazing!

Comment by wickedpam on 06/27/2011 15:21:13


Comment by Raine on 06/27/2011 15:24:10
Quote by TriSec:
Oh, and another thing. The local media has been rife with speculation about the Gardner Museum theft over the weekend.

While art theft wasn't Whitey's M.O., this did happen at the height of his reign. While he probably didn't have a direct hand in it, he almost certainly knew who did, or has the "friend of a friend" connection.

I wrote about the theft a while back.
I will never understand this type of theft.

I do hope they can recover the Vermeer. Whitey has been rumored to have been quite chatty.


Comment by wickedpam on 06/27/2011 15:27:25
how does "freedom" have anything to do what government?

Comment by TriSec on 06/27/2011 15:37:02
Listening to the TRMS audio of the bill passing in NY.

Does a "USA" chant have to break out for everything?



Comment by Raine on 06/27/2011 15:42:00
Quote by TriSec:
Listening to the TRMS audio of the bill passing in NY.

Does a "USA" chant have to break out for everything?


This time, this issue, it was worthy of the chant.

Comment by BobR on 06/27/2011 15:50:24
Quote by Raine:
Quote by TriSec:
Listening to the TRMS audio of the bill passing in NY.

Does a "USA" chant have to break out for everything?


This time, this issue, it was worthy of the chant.

I think it's a nice counter-point to all the right-wing and sports events where this happens. I think it may remind folks that gay people are patriotic too.

Comment by livingonli on 06/27/2011 15:54:26
Good morning everyone. How's tricks?

Comment by Raine on 06/27/2011 15:57:08
Quote by livingonli:
Good morning everyone. How's tricks?
Good Morning, Liv! Tricks are good!


Comment by Raine on 06/27/2011 16:05:12
Comment by Raine on 06/27/2011 16:14:23
Comment by Raine on 06/27/2011 16:15:22
For those that care, Mike Pap is filling n for Ed.

Comment by livingonli on 06/27/2011 16:20:53
I slept a little better this morning than I have in awhile but I needed to my recuperate from my 14 hours at work.

Comment by Will in Chicago on 06/27/2011 16:21:38
Good morning, bloggers!

I am checking in between job hunting and other stuff.

The Union of Reform Judaism does allow congregations to sanction same sex unions, and even has prayers that rabbis can offer those undergoing sex change surgery. For more info on where my faith stands, go to this link Religious Action Committee -- LGBT rights.

So, I am not just a political liberal but a religious liberal as well. (You can only imagine the divide between religious liberals and conservatives in the Jewish faith. There are Orthodox rabbis who would not consider me or my rabbi to be real Jews. I try to resist the urge to remind them that the Zealots also considered themselves the only real Jews -- and helped lead to the disastrous events involving the destruction of the Second Temple.)

Comment by Raine on 06/27/2011 16:37:34
So much Keyboard cat possibility, so little time ...


Comment by BobR on 06/27/2011 16:40:21
Quote by Raine:
Quote by livingonli:
Good morning everyone. How's tricks?
Good Morning, Liv! Tricks are good!

Tricks are for kids!

Comment by Raine on 06/27/2011 16:41:42
and as a brliiant send up to the ladies:


Comment by wickedpam on 06/27/2011 17:06:09


Comment by Raine on 06/27/2011 18:27:27
Quote by Raine:
Interesting to me was the reasons the justices used. Supreme Court strikes down violent video game ban I can't believe that I actually agree with Thomas on this...


I mean I could get all hyperbolic about this and ask why not let kids buy porn? Why not let 8 years olds into adult shops?

This actually seemed like a decent common sense law.
ok after reading this, I take it all back.


Comment by Raine on 06/27/2011 19:05:08
Dear lawd, help me.


Except:

The only problem, as one eagle-eyed reader notes: Waterloo's John Wayne was not the beloved movie star, but rather John Wayne Gacy, the serial killer.

Mrs. Bachmann grew up in Waterloo, and used the town as the backdrop for her campaign announcement, where she told Fox News: "Well what I want them to know is just like, John Wayne was from Waterloo, Iowa. That's the kind of spirit that I have, too."


Comment by wickedpam on 06/27/2011 19:07:59
oh dear

Comment by TriSec on 06/27/2011 19:10:49


TriSec's head explodes.

But she has known geography problems anyway.



Comment by Scoopster on 06/27/2011 19:13:19
Good gravy that's a helluva screwup.

Comment by Raine on 06/27/2011 19:23:46
Blago found Guilty:
U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald and the head of Chicago'sFBI office, Robert Grant, were in the courtroom when the verdict was announced.

Jurors had barely begun their 10th day of deliberations when they told Judge James Zagel they had reached a verdict on 18 of 20 counts against the former governor.

“The jury has come to a unanimous decision on 18 of 20 counts … We are confident that we will not be able to come to agreement on the two counts even with further deliberation,” a note from the jury read.


Comment by Raine on 06/27/2011 19:29:29
Randi is talking about this: CBS' Bob Schieffer calls out Bachmann for her lies on 'Face The Nation'. She responds by prevaricating. Fact is: we are drilling here and drilling now more than at any other time. She lied about her lies.

Comment by Raine on 06/27/2011 19:55:14
LOok, John Wayne was a great Actor, but I think Ms. Bachmann should maybe take care not to compare herself to him. Myabe she was better off going with Gacy. Or not....

He skipped out on the war, he was a bit of a bigot, he had a few marriages, he started out as a socialist....
Wayne claimed in his Playboy interview to have been a socialist during his years at college, and he admitted voting for Democratic President Franklin D. Roosevelt in the 1936 presidential election. In the same interview, he also expressed admiration for Democratic President Harry S Truman.

For most of his career, however, he was a vocally conservative Republican. He took part in creating the Motion Picture Alliance for the Preservation of American Ideals in February 1944, and was elected president of that organization in 1947. He was an ardent anti-communist, and vocal supporter of the House Un-American Activities Committee. In 1952, he made Big Jim McLain to show his support for the anti-communist cause. A supporter of Vice President Richard Nixon's candidacy in the United States presidential election in 1960, he expressed his vision of patriotism when John F. Kennedy won the election: "I didn't vote for him but he's my president, and I hope he does a good job."

Wayne used his iconic status to support conservative causes, including rallying support for the Vietnam War by producing, co-directing, and starring in the critically panned The Green Berets in 1968. In the mid-1970s, however, he went against many fellow conservatives in supporting the Panama Canal Treaty.

Due to his enormous popularity, and his status as the most famous Republican star in Hollywood, wealthy Texas Republican Party backers asked Wayne to run for national office in 1968, as had his friend and fellow actor, Senator George Murphy. He declined, joking that he did not believe the public would seriously consider an actor in the White House. However, he did support his friend Ronald Reagan's runs for Governor of California in 1966 and 1970. He was also asked to be the running mate for Democratic Alabama Governor George Wallace in 1968. Wayne vehemently rejected the offer. Wayne actively campaigned for Richard Nixon, and addressed the Republican National Convention on its opening day in August 1968. Wayne also was a member of the conservative and anti-communist John Birch Society.


Comment by TriSec on 06/27/2011 19:55:56
Did everyone see the Dodgers filed for bankruptcy today?

But of course, the McCourt empire is loaded with fat contracts around the Boston area, including the years-long project at Totten Pond Road in Waltham. The Big Dig was finished sooner, methinks.



Comment by Raine on 06/27/2011 19:57:37
John Wayne reminds me an awful lot of St. Ronnie to be honest...

Comment by Raine on 06/27/2011 20:05:31
Uhm... When did Karl Rove become an independent? and where did they get 20 Million dollars?

Maybe ABC might be better suited to investigate THAT.

Comment by Scoopster on 06/27/2011 20:09:42
Quote by Raine:
Randi is talking about this: CBS' Bob Schieffer calls out Bachmann for her lies on 'Face The Nation'. She responds by prevaricating. Fact is: we are drilling here and drilling now more than at any other time. She lied about her lies.

In that same interview she also claims Obama release all the oil in the strategic reserves.. I think she has him confused with BP, whose well released the equivalent of all the reserves into the Gulf of Mexico.

Comment by Raine on 06/27/2011 20:12:36
Scoop, you nailed it.

Comment by Raine on 06/27/2011 21:30:43
So last Monday, I wrote this blog, about Bachman's foster children situation -- and I just learned that the NYT wrote a great article the next day about the very same thing.

Comment by Raine on 06/27/2011 21:36:20
Quote by Raine:
So last Monday, I wrote this blog, about Bachman's foster children situation -- and I just learned that the NYT wrote a great article the next day about the very same thing.
I might add that the NYT answered a lot of questions I had in that blog. Including this:
He said the Bachmann home was “technically considered a treatment home,” which offered a higher level of reimbursement. (The current rate is $47 a day, Mr. Hendrickson said.) That designation required a higher standard of care from parents who had the educational and emotional capability to handle “serious mental health issues.” Dr. Bachmann’s training was an asset.




Comment by Raine on 06/27/2011 21:43:17
http://0.tqn.com/d/politicalhumor/1/7/-/i/2/bachman-clown.jpg


Comment by livingonli on 06/27/2011 21:51:15
Hey everyone. Went to court today to settle the last matters on the old Saturn which caused my car to be impounded in the first place. Some things were dismissed and the car stuff was downgraded to the equivalent of parking violations. I still have to pay $200 in fines but once that's done, the matters with the old car are over and done with. (It beats the almost 2700 in fines I was facing).

Comment by BobR on 06/27/2011 22:22:28
Quote by livingonli:
Hey everyone. Went to court today to settle the last matters on the old Saturn which caused my car to be impounded in the first place. Some things were dismissed and the car stuff was downgraded to the equivalent of parking violations. I still have to pay $200 in fines but once that's done, the matters with the old car are over and done with. (It beats the almost 2700 in fines I was facing).

I guess that's good news. I suppose it's a relief to put that behind you.