About Us
Mission Statement
Rules of Conduct
 
Name:
Pswd:
Remember Me
Register
 

Latest Entries

Actions Menu

Blog Roll

Other Links

Ask a Vet
Author: TriSec    Date: 08/02/2011 10:30:55

Good Morning.

Today is our 3,058th day in Iraq, and our 3, 586th day in Afghanistan.

We'll start this morning as we always do; with the latest casualty figures from our ongoing wars, courtesy of Antiwar.com:

American Deaths
Since war began (3/19/03): 4474
Since "Mission Accomplished" (5/1/03): 4335
Since Handover (6/29/04): 3615
Since Obama Inauguration (1/20/09): 246
Since Operation New Dawn: 46

Other Coalition Troops - Iraq: 318
US Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 1,680
Other Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 931
Contractor Employee Deaths - Iraq: 1,487
Journalists - Iraq : 348
Academics Killed - Iraq: 448

We find this morning's cost of war passing through:

$ 1, 229, 368, 600, 000. 00



Well, the debt package has passed the House (according to the news this morning), so it's on to the Senate. The NECN presenters were openly wondering if the Senate would be able to vote in time for the President to sign before the midnight deadline. We'll see.


Of course you know that the troops will be affected by any budget shennanigans. Months ago now, Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas) filed a "Pay the Troops First" bill. It's been stuck in committee for months, and Mr. Gohmert had to resort to procedural maneuvers to get it to the floor. It's been languishing there ever since...and only 9 reps have signed on as co-sponsors. I guess we know where Congress' priorities are, eh?


Two weeks after a Texas congressman tried force a House vote on his bill mandating that servicemembers be paid first in the event of a government shutdown, only nine representatives have signed on.

The so-called discharge petition requires 218 signatures.

Rep. Louie Gohmert, R-Texas, filed the bill in March only to see it stuck in committee. During a press conference on July 14 he announced he would use a House rule that allowed members to petition to get a bill onto the floor. At that time he expressed confidence that he’d have the backing, claiming he had 190 co-sponsors.

"We need to make sure the military, people in harm's way that are dodging bullets, never have to have it cross their minds that their paychecks may not come in," Gohmert said at the time. He was joined there by Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison, R-Texas, who had filed similar legislation in the Senate, where it has also languished in committee.

Pay for servicemembers – as well as checks for disabled veterans and retirees – is at risk if Congress does not raise the debt ceiling beyond the $14.3 trillion now allowed by law. The White House has said it cannot promise that these and other obligations, including Social Security, will be met if the debt ceiling is not raised by Aug. 2.

Hutchison, speaking Tuesday on the Senate floor, urged Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nevada, to allow her bill to come up for a vote.

"We have people in the military with boots on the ground by the thousands that are making under $20,000 a year,” she said. “Those are people who are living paycheck-to-paycheck. They don't have the luxury of having a big savings account."

While it’s not surprising that Reid is keeping Hutchison’s bill in committee, Gohmert’s House version has also failed to get his own GOP leadership’s support for letting House members vote on the bill.

Earlier this month Gohmert said that House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, was fully aware of his bill to pay troops first and his wish to have members vote on it.

Leaders on both sides do not want to remove military pay from the debate because they believe that having it at risk will make it easier for lawmakers to go along with a deal for which they otherwise would not vote.



Bouncing around a bit, let's head for Iraq. Troop numbers are slowly declining and it's still the plan to be out of there soon....but things aren't getting any better there. A snippet in the story notes that "nearly a dozen civilians die violent deaths in Iraq every day." It makes me wonder what will happen as our numbers decline. Could it be that Sen. McCain was right 2 years ago, and our enemies are emboldened by the pullout and are ramping things up in anticipation of our exit?


A top US adviser on Iraq has accused the US military of glossing over an upsurge in violence, just months before its troops are due to be withdrawn.

Iraq is more dangerous now than a year ago, said a report issued by the US Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction, Stuart W Bowen Junior.

He said the killing of US soldiers and senior Iraqi figures, had risen, along with attacks in Baghdad .

The report contradicts usually upbeat assessments from the US military.

It comes as Washington is preparing to withdraw its remaining 47,000 troops from Iraq by the end of the year, despite fears that the Iraqi security forces might not be ready to take over fully.

"Iraq remains an extraordinarily dangerous place to work," Mr Bowen concluded in his quarterly report to Congress. "It is less safe, in my judgment, than 12 months ago."

The report cited the deaths of 15 US soldiers in June - the bloodiest month for the American military in two years - but also said more Iraqi officials had been assassinated in the past few months than in any other recent period.

While the efforts of Iraqi and American forces may have reduced the threat from the Sunni-based insurgency, Shia militias are believed to have become more active, it said.

They are being blamed for the deaths of American soldiers, and for an increase in rocket attacks on the Baghdad international zone and the US embassy compound.

Additionally, the report called the north-eastern province of Diyala, which borders Iran, "very unstable" with frequent bombings that bring double-digit death tolls.

Mr Bowen accused the US military of glossing over the instability, noting an army statement in late May that described Iraq's security trends as "very, very positive" - but only when compared to 2007, when the country was on the brink of civil war.

A spokesman for the US army in Iraq declined to respond.


Finally this morning, we'll return to the home front. Some alarming numbers have come out recently about homelessness among veterans. I'm not surprised, really. Given the sorry state of the economy, the issues faced by returning combat soldiers, and the stretched-to-the-limit support network, it's all too easy for veterans to slip through the cracks.


More than 10,000 Iraq and Afghanistan veterans are homeless or in programs aimed at keeping them off the streets, a number that has doubled three times since 2006, according to figures released by the Department of Veterans Affairs.

The rise comes at a time when the total number of homeless veterans has declined from a peak of about 400,000 in 2004 to 135,000 today.

“We’re seeing more and more (Iraq and Afghanistan veterans),” says Richard Thomas, a Volunteers of America case manager at a shelter in Los Angeles. “It’s just a bad time for them to return now and get out of the military.”

The VA blames the rise on a poor economy and the nature of the current wars, where a limited number of troops serve multiple deployments.

The result is a group of homeless veterans where 70 percent have a history of combat exposure with its psychological effects, says Pete Dougherty, a senior policy adviser on homelessness at the VA.

Among all homeless veterans, perhaps 20 percent to 33 percent were in combat, he says.

LaShonna Perry, a former Army mechanic who served in Iraq and Afghanistan, was homeless for more than year after leaving the military. She rented an apartment last year with a federal voucher.

“Some soldiers still have issues they’re dealing with from what they’ve seen, what they’ve experienced,” she says. “Some think, ‘There’s nothing wrong with me.’ They can deal with it on their own. Until it gets out of control.”

As of May, there were 10,476 Iraq and Afghanistan veterans either living on the streets, in temporary housing or receiving federal vouchers to help pay rent for an apartment.

About 13 percent are women, the VA says.


So goes another week at war.
 

75 comments (Latest Comment: 08/03/2011 02:22:45 by Raine)
   Perma Link

Share This!

Furl it!
Spurl
NewsVine
Reddit
Technorati

Add a Comment

Please login to add a comment...


Comments:

Order comments Newest to Oldest  Refresh Comments

Comment by Mondobubba on 08/02/2011 12:44:53
About Louie Gohmert not being able to get enough signatures on the discharge petition; is this because of skewed priorities or is it a testement to his unpopularity in the House?

Comment by wickedpam on 08/02/2011 12:51:49
Morning

Comment by Scoopster on 08/02/2011 12:58:12
Mornin' all..

Had a steamy walk into the office from a local breakfast spot, where I picked up some AWESOME peach sweet tea/lemonade.

Comment by Mondobubba on 08/02/2011 13:06:44
Great article in Salon about how the Tea Party is, at its root an expression of Southern extremism. it dovetails nicely with my growing opinion about the South as the most violent, confrontational part of the country.

Comment by Raine on 08/02/2011 13:14:18
Good Morning.

Comment by Raine on 08/02/2011 13:37:13
Quote by Mondobubba:
Great article in Salon about how the Tea Party is, at its root an expression of Southern extremism. it dovetails nicely with my growing opinion about the South as the most violent, confrontational part of the country.
Great piece -- did you notice what Radio Show Loretta Sanchez was on when she mocked the baggers?

Comment by Raine on 08/02/2011 13:44:10
Comment by Mondobubba on 08/02/2011 13:47:06
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Great article in Salon about how the Tea Party is, at its root an expression of Southern extremism. it dovetails nicely with my growing opinion about the South as the most violent, confrontational part of the country.
Great piece -- did you notice what Radio Show Loretta Sanchez was on when she mocked the baggers?


No I didn't. Can't do audio at work.

Comment by Mondobubba on 08/02/2011 13:52:40
Comment by Raine on 08/02/2011 14:02:48
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Great article in Salon about how the Tea Party is, at its root an expression of Southern extremism. it dovetails nicely with my growing opinion about the South as the most violent, confrontational part of the country.
Great piece -- did you notice what Radio Show Loretta Sanchez was on when she mocked the baggers?


No I didn't. Can't do audio at work.
Oh, you don't need audio:
"Hey what's your name? 'My name is M-o-e,'" Sanchez said, feigning a Southern drawl that drew howls of laughter from Miller and her co-host. "Ok Moe. Moe-ster, how you doing baby? What are we going to do today? What's your interest? What can we work on together?"

"'Well, it's unconstitutional," she said, using her faux Southern accent.

I remember that interview --


Comment by Scoopster on 08/02/2011 14:03:03

Looks like a really good read

Unfortunately, I just got a $10k ad sale to dig through & sort out!

Comment by BobR on 08/02/2011 14:16:08
Listening to the show, I am still astounded that people think we could've gotten more out of a Republican House.

Comment by Raine on 08/02/2011 14:18:19
How does one fight for more when dealing with people who will NOT compromise?

Comment by Mondobubba on 08/02/2011 14:20:30
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Great article in Salon about how the Tea Party is, at its root an expression of Southern extremism. it dovetails nicely with my growing opinion about the South as the most violent, confrontational part of the country.
Great piece -- did you notice what Radio Show Loretta Sanchez was on when she mocked the baggers?


No I didn't. Can't do audio at work.
Oh, you don't need audio:
"Hey what's your name? 'My name is M-o-e,'" Sanchez said, feigning a Southern drawl that drew howls of laughter from Miller and her co-host. "Ok Moe. Moe-ster, how you doing baby? What are we going to do today? What's your interest? What can we work on together?"

"'Well, it's unconstitutional," she said, using her faux Southern accent.

I remember that interview --



Ahhhh! Snark du Miller! Some of the best snark around.

Comment by Mondobubba on 08/02/2011 14:28:51
Quote by Raine:
How does one fight for more when dealing with people who will NOT compromise?


Which gets back to the Salon article and Southern stubborness and stupidity. My example of the violence of the South is Preston Brooks. Before he beat Charles Sumner with the gutta pecha cane, he discussed the level of violence needed as in reaction to his uncle's honor being impuned by Sumner. Firstly that he needed to discuss this with his confidants before the reaction and then the level of violence for the "slight."

Comment by TriSec on 08/02/2011 14:29:18
Say Mondo, how's that office freezer of yours been?

Wanna trade some raw meat or dairy products today? I'm in a sweatshirt and am pondering busting out the Bob Cratchit fingerless gloves here.

And it's freakin' 82 degrees over at Hanscom. Open a damn window!





Comment by BobR on 08/02/2011 14:35:51
Quote by TriSec:
Say Mondo, how's that office freezer of yours been?

Wanna trade some raw meat or dairy products today? I'm in a sweatshirt and am pondering busting out the Bob Cratchit fingerless gloves here.

And it's freakin' 82 degrees over at Hanscom. Open a damn window!


Can you even open the windows in your building? Most office buildings you can't

Comment by Raine on 08/02/2011 14:39:37
Just once, I would like to be outraged by David Corn. He's sucha failure that way.
Obama’s Hope-a-Dope Strategy
Progressives are furious that Obama, yet again, pulled his punches. The White House says it's all part of the master plan.

He just writes well reasoned an thoughtful pieces.
Yet, aside from appeasing put-up-your-dukes progressives, there can be immense value in a fight. A well-managed slugfest can be instructive, alerting voters to key facts and ideas. Had Obama gone after the GOPers early and often in the debt-ceiling showdown, perhaps the president could have shifted the overall political context and placed himself in a stronger negotiating position as he sought his much-cherished consensus. Instead, even as the country careened toward default in July, Obama praised House Speaker John Boehner's "good-faith efforts." ("He's a good man who wants to do right by the country.")

That same morning, Boehner had flat-out questioned Obama's sincerity on a right-wing radio show: "Well, you know the president is in reelection mode. And as a result, that is where a lot of this rhetoric comes from." It was an accurate encapsulation of the asymmetry in this face-off. Boehner believed there was political value in personally poking at his opponent. Obama didn't. He doesn't punch his way through a tough fight; he slogs through it.


And don't think it's a Probama piece.
The debt-ceiling showdown has put Obama's operating assumptions to a serious test. "Sometimes, he can appear as weak and indecisive," a past aide says. "But he is a pragmatist. He believes you can't achieve universal health coverage, green energy, a clean environment, rebuild America—his fundamental beliefs—if the country isn't behind you. But in a profoundly polarized world, can this work?"



Comment by TriSec on 08/02/2011 14:52:22
Quote by BobR:

Can you even open the windows in your building? Most office buildings you can't


I can open it with a brick.

:Pirate:

Comment by Raine on 08/02/2011 14:58:10
Well, this is interesting.

... Bernie Sanders isn't pure enough for Jane Hamsher. Nor is Kucinich, or Schakowsky or Grijalva

If you want my attention, tell me how you’re going to take out Bernie Sanders or Jan Schakowsky or Raul Grijalva or Peter Welch. Let me know how you plan to send a message and enforce discipline with the people who claim to represent your values, but betray them over and over again because they have no fear whatsoever of you. Dennis Kucinich is getting redistricted out of office, so the other side certainly knows how to make themselves heard. Message received.

Yesterday Bernie’s job was to stand up in the Senate and whine about Tea Party extremists. If Bernie had one-tenth of their conviction, his vote alone could have saved the country from the shitty health care bill that put them all in office.
If you can read the whole thing, please tell me why I shouldn't be irritated that people like her, people like the TeaBaggers don;t seem to understand that this is NOT just their country. I vehemently disagree with republican politics -- and policies as well, I will not deny that; That said, we have a serious problem on the left when these people should be voted out of office because Hamsher and her followers say they are not pure enough.

I'm just so sick of it.

Comment by Mondobubba on 08/02/2011 15:01:33
Quote by TriSec:
Say Mondo, how's that office freezer of yours been?

Wanna trade some raw meat or dairy products today? I'm in a sweatshirt and am pondering busting out the Bob Cratchit fingerless gloves here.

And it's freakin' 82 degrees over at Hanscom. Open a damn window!





Sorry, we are a licensed morgue facility. We can't store meat or dairy.

I'm wearing the cotton sweater I stash in my desk, no need for the Cratchett gloves...yet.

Comment by wickedpam on 08/02/2011 15:07:46
Quote by Raine:
Well, this is interesting.

... Bernie Sanders isn't pure enough for Jane Hamsher. Nor is Kucinich, or Schakowsky or Grijalva

If you want my attention, tell me how you’re going to take out Bernie Sanders or Jan Schakowsky or Raul Grijalva or Peter Welch. Let me know how you plan to send a message and enforce discipline with the people who claim to represent your values, but betray them over and over again because they have no fear whatsoever of you. Dennis Kucinich is getting redistricted out of office, so the other side certainly knows how to make themselves heard. Message received.

Yesterday Bernie’s job was to stand up in the Senate and whine about Tea Party extremists. If Bernie had one-tenth of their conviction, his vote alone could have saved the country from the shitty health care bill that put them all in office.
If you can read the whole thing, please tell me why I shouldn't be irritated that people like her, people like the TeaBaggers don;t seem to understand that this is NOT just their country. I vehemently disagree with republican politics -- and policies as well, I will not deny that; That said, we have a serious problem on the left when these people should be voted out of office because Hamsher and her followers say they are not pure enough.

I'm just so sick of it.



I hate to break it to her but nothing on this planet is "pure" even Ivory soap is only 99.44% pure

Comment by Mondobubba on 08/02/2011 15:09:45
Quote by Raine:
Well, this is interesting.

... Bernie Sanders isn't pure enough for Jane Hamsher. Nor is Kucinich, or Schakowsky or Grijalva

If you want my attention, tell me how you’re going to take out Bernie Sanders or Jan Schakowsky or Raul Grijalva or Peter Welch. Let me know how you plan to send a message and enforce discipline with the people who claim to represent your values, but betray them over and over again because they have no fear whatsoever of you. Dennis Kucinich is getting redistricted out of office, so the other side certainly knows how to make themselves heard. Message received.

Yesterday Bernie’s job was to stand up in the Senate and whine about Tea Party extremists. If Bernie had one-tenth of their conviction, his vote alone could have saved the country from the shitty health care bill that put them all in office.
If you can read the whole thing, please tell me why I shouldn't be irritated that people like her, people like the TeaBaggers don;t seem to understand that this is NOT just their country. I vehemently disagree with republican politics -- and policies as well, I will not deny that; That said, we have a serious problem on the left when these people should be voted out of office because Hamsher and her followers say they are not pure enough.

I'm just so sick of it.


Jane Hampster as The Rude One would say needs a punch in the crotch.

Comment by Raine on 08/02/2011 15:15:36
There seems to be people on the very extreme wings of both sides of the aisle that forget that at the same time they hold up the founding fathers -- that they crafted the constitution to allow

For dissent.
For disagreement.
For alternative Points of view.
For the minority to not be ruled by the majority.


I am of the opinion that purity tests are not just dangerous -- they are deadly.


Comment by Raine on 08/02/2011 15:18:01
Purity tests are not just dangerous, they are deadly.

The founding fathers knew this. This is why they crafted the Constitution to allow for Dissent, disagreement, and for me most importantly, the will of ALL the people to be heard.

These baggers -- ALL of them -- would shut that down. They want political purity.

Comment by Mondobubba on 08/02/2011 15:29:35
Raine about the purity/litmus tests. This is why we have the Baggers. The GOP has been applying these rediculous purity standards for what is conservative for like 20 years. Now we've gotten to the point that a barely reconstructed Rebel is a "true" conservative.

Comment by Mondobubba on 08/02/2011 15:30:47
Saw this on the BBC website:

"Ford is recalling 1.2 million pick-up trucks in the United States and Canada because of fears their fuel tanks could fall off and start fires."

Oops!



Comment by Raine on 08/02/2011 15:32:38
Quote by Mondobubba:
Saw this on the BBC website:

"Ford is recalling 1.2 million pick-up trucks in the United States and Canada because of fears their fuel tanks could fall off and start fires."

Oops!

I remember DAteline (when it was a really good show) did a whole series on this being a problem back in the 90's (?) it it STILL happening?

AGAIN?


Comment by trojanrabbit on 08/02/2011 15:33:58
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Raine:
Well, this is interesting.

... Bernie Sanders isn't pure enough for Jane Hamsher. Nor is Kucinich, or Schakowsky or Grijalva

If you want my attention, tell me how you’re going to take out Bernie Sanders or Jan Schakowsky or Raul Grijalva or Peter Welch. Let me know how you plan to send a message and enforce discipline with the people who claim to represent your values, but betray them over and over again because they have no fear whatsoever of you. Dennis Kucinich is getting redistricted out of office, so the other side certainly knows how to make themselves heard. Message received.

Yesterday Bernie’s job was to stand up in the Senate and whine about Tea Party extremists. If Bernie had one-tenth of their conviction, his vote alone could have saved the country from the shitty health care bill that put them all in office.
If you can read the whole thing, please tell me why I shouldn't be irritated that people like her, people like the TeaBaggers don;t seem to understand that this is NOT just their country. I vehemently disagree with republican politics -- and policies as well, I will not deny that; That said, we have a serious problem on the left when these people should be voted out of office because Hamsher and her followers say they are not pure enough.

I'm just so sick of it.


Jane Hampster as The Rude One would say needs a punch in the crotch.


I'd rather not stress my fist too much and just use a 2x4.


Comment by wickedpam on 08/02/2011 15:37:01
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Saw this on the BBC website:

"Ford is recalling 1.2 million pick-up trucks in the United States and Canada because of fears their fuel tanks could fall off and start fires."

Oops!

I remember DAteline (when it was a really good show) did a whole series on this being a problem back in the 90's (?) it it STILL happening?

AGAIN?



I think that was for impact incidents and it exploding. This one I thought I heard it was a strap that holds the tank on

Comment by TriSec on 08/02/2011 15:37:40
Quote by Raine:
I remember DAteline (when it was a really good show) did a whole series on this being a problem back in the 90's (?) it it STILL happening?

AGAIN?


I think it's the same trucks....NECN was reporting that some of them date back to late 90s vintage. The problem affects mostly the northern tier; it's the road salt eating away the straps that hold the tanks on.




Comment by trojanrabbit on 08/02/2011 15:37:57
Two words.....

SIGNING STATEMENT

As practiced by his predecessor.

What was that phrase "unitary executive"?

Let the traitors try to impeach. Does anyone here honestly think there won't be another "hostage taking" before the election?

Comment by Raine on 08/02/2011 15:38:06
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Saw this on the BBC website:

"Ford is recalling 1.2 million pick-up trucks in the United States and Canada because of fears their fuel tanks could fall off and start fires."

Oops!

I remember DAteline (when it was a really good show) did a whole series on this being a problem back in the 90's (?) it it STILL happening?

AGAIN?
Oh wait. I didn't know this. I really didn't know that NBC faked the whole thing.






Comment by Raine on 08/02/2011 15:40:14
Quote by TriSec:
Quote by Raine:
I remember DAteline (when it was a really good show) did a whole series on this being a problem back in the 90's (?) it it STILL happening?

AGAIN?


I think it's the same trucks....NECN was reporting that some of them date back to late 90s vintage. The problem affects mostly the northern tier; it's the road salt eating away the straps that hold the tanks on.


That makes a lot of sense, Tri, I can see that happening. I've actually SEEN it happen to a couple of friends from the old hometown. Salt CAN do that.

As you will see, tho, the series I recalled faked it. That doesn't make this situation any better.


Comment by Raine on 08/02/2011 15:41:55
Quote by trojanrabbit:
Two words.....

SIGNING STATEMENT

As practiced by his predecessor.

What was that phrase "unitary executive"?

Let the traitors try to impeach. Does anyone here honestly think there won't be another "hostage taking" before the election?
Mitch the turtle said he would.


Comment by Raine on 08/02/2011 15:48:05
I have actually been reading the comments on a few sites -- the RWNJ are positively hateful about Gabbie Giffords showing up for a vote.

It made me sick to my stomach.

Comment by Mondobubba on 08/02/2011 15:53:12
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Saw this on the BBC website:

"Ford is recalling 1.2 million pick-up trucks in the United States and Canada because of fears their fuel tanks could fall off and start fires."

Oops!

I remember DAteline (when it was a really good show) did a whole series on this being a problem back in the 90's (?) it it STILL happening?

AGAIN?



That was on Chevy trucks. A lot of the stuff on Dateline turned out to be staged so the slosions looked better on TV.

Comment by Mondobubba on 08/02/2011 15:56:25
Quote by TriSec:
Quote by Raine:
I remember DAteline (when it was a really good show) did a whole series on this being a problem back in the 90's (?) it it STILL happening?

AGAIN?


I think it's the same trucks....NECN was reporting that some of them date back to late 90s vintage. The problem affects mostly the northern tier; it's the road salt eating away the straps that hold the tanks on.





Bingo, that is what the BBC was reporting under the very scary lede. The trucks in question have corrosion issues on the straps. Straps rust, tanks fall off, sparks, fire OH THE HUMANITY! Lawsuits...

Comment by Raine on 08/02/2011 16:17:03
Comment by trojanrabbit on 08/02/2011 16:21:26
Ah, here's our next hostage. The gas tax.

Comment by Raine on 08/02/2011 16:23:14
(or the span -- Whitehouse.gov seems to be getting overloaded lately. )

Comment by Raine on 08/02/2011 16:24:00
The senate is Almost done Voting.

Comment by Raine on 08/02/2011 16:24:26
Roll call now.

Comment by Raine on 08/02/2011 16:28:00
Sanders voted No.

I'm really surprised, considering he supported the McConnell deal.

Comment by wickedpam on 08/02/2011 16:28:07



is he talking now? the whitehouse.gov is just a "will begin shortly" sign

Comment by Raine on 08/02/2011 16:28:57
Quote by wickedpam:



is he talking now? the whitehouse.gov is just a "will begin shortly" sign
I think they are going to speak AFTER the senate is done voting.


Comment by Raine on 08/02/2011 16:29:37
Literally watching the Span on the laptop waiting for potus to speak on the MACsheen.

Comment by Raine on 08/02/2011 16:30:30
McCain and Baucus are yes. Fienstein was a Yes.

NYS Gillibrand was a no.

Comment by Raine on 08/02/2011 16:31:13
Whitehouse, Yes.

Demint No. Udall Colorado No

Comment by Raine on 08/02/2011 16:33:27
Cochran Aye.

Boseman Aye.

Toomey: No

Kohl: Aye

(this is SO not a partisan vote.)


Show All

Rev 3.7; Copyright � 2007-2017 by BobberBlogs�