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A vote of No Confidence
Author: BobR
Date: 08/10/2011 12:49:10
In an unprecedented move in Wisconsin politics yesterday, there were six recall elections targeting Republican state senators. All of these recalls were in response to the punitive legislation passed by them (and signed into law by Governor Walker) to deny union rights to state workers. The results are in.
Out of the six, the Democrats took two. They had hoped to take 3 to tip the control of the state Senate into Democratic hands. They were not able to achieve that goal. The were able, however, to narrow the margin to a point where it might be possible to sway a more moderate Republican to vote with the Democrats. Despite not reaching their goal, this will still have state Democrats claiming victory.
In retaliation for the recalls against Republicans, the Republicans decided to stage recalls against several Democratic state senators. One successfully defended his seat in a July 19th special election, two more face a recall election next week. They are expected to prevail as well.
Some of the results last night went as expected. The 2nd and 10th districts were called fairly early, followed later by the 14th (which was neck-and-neck the whole night). The 32nd district was the first called for a Democrat, and the 18th was called a bit later. That left the 8th district, which was swinging back and forth as the results rolled in.
One of the last precincts to report in that district was managed by none other than Kathy Nickolaus, who has been implicated - though never convicted - of vote tampering (I've written about her previously). There was speculation that she was holding back the results to see how many votes she'd need to deliver to ensure Republican Alberta Darling won, but those accusations were withdrawn:
I am curious to learn of the details of when the results came from her county, and what they were exactly. How she still has a job there, I don't know.
Ultimately, these are short-lived gains. With the results of the 2010 census, the state has a requirement to redraw district lines. The Republicans did so, in a heavily gerrymandered way to favor themselves, and Governor Walker signed it into law:
For now, Wisconsin democrats may be able to hold off any more radical (reactionary) change, but they are going to have to fight this battle again in a little over 12 months. It will be a presidential election, so the turnout may be better, but they are still battling on a tilted playing field with crooked refs calling the game.
Out of the six, the Democrats took two. They had hoped to take 3 to tip the control of the state Senate into Democratic hands. They were not able to achieve that goal. The were able, however, to narrow the margin to a point where it might be possible to sway a more moderate Republican to vote with the Democrats. Despite not reaching their goal, this will still have state Democrats claiming victory.
In retaliation for the recalls against Republicans, the Republicans decided to stage recalls against several Democratic state senators. One successfully defended his seat in a July 19th special election, two more face a recall election next week. They are expected to prevail as well.
Some of the results last night went as expected. The 2nd and 10th districts were called fairly early, followed later by the 14th (which was neck-and-neck the whole night). The 32nd district was the first called for a Democrat, and the 18th was called a bit later. That left the 8th district, which was swinging back and forth as the results rolled in.
One of the last precincts to report in that district was managed by none other than Kathy Nickolaus, who has been implicated - though never convicted - of vote tampering (I've written about her previously). There was speculation that she was holding back the results to see how many votes she'd need to deliver to ensure Republican Alberta Darling won, but those accusations were withdrawn:
Before all the votes had been counted Tuesday night, the Democratic Party of Wisconsin accused Waukesha County clerk Kathy Nickolaus of tampering in the 8th State Senate District race between by "sitting on ballots."
"The race to determine control of the Wisconsin Senate has fallen in the hands of the Waukesha County clerk, who has already distinguished herself as incompetent, if not worse," Democratic Party of Wisconsin Chair Mike Tate said in a statement.
"She is once more tampering with the results of a consequential election and in the next hours we will determine our next course of action. For now, Wisconsin should know that a dark cloud hangs over these important results."
[..]
About an hour later after issuing their first statement, the Democratic Party of Wisconsin retracted their accusation against Nickolaus.
"Though we believe that Sandy Pasch was able to battle Alberta Darling to a virtual tie, on her turf, we will not pursue questions of irregularities," Tate said in a statement. "Those heat-of-the-moment statements came in light of the uncertainties that arose from a recent election, known too well."
I am curious to learn of the details of when the results came from her county, and what they were exactly. How she still has a job there, I don't know.
Ultimately, these are short-lived gains. With the results of the 2010 census, the state has a requirement to redraw district lines. The Republicans did so, in a heavily gerrymandered way to favor themselves, and Governor Walker signed it into law:
Federal judges in Milwaukee refused to take over the redistricting process in July, but a federal lawsuit alleging the new district boundaries are unconstitutional is still pending.
"The maps passed by the Legislature meet the objective criteria laid out by the courts including communities of interest, fair minority representation, and compact, contiguous districts," Walker spokesman Cullen Werwie said in a brief statement.
Democratic Party of Wisconsin Chair Mike Tate accused Walker of trying to distract attention away from the state Senate recall elections by waiting until Tuesday to sign the redistricting legislation.
"We know that Scott Walker wants to change the conversation - but seeking out news coverage in the last hours of the historic movement to turn back his agenda, and doing so to discuss his radical redistricting plan, is as galling as it is tacky," Tate said.
For now, Wisconsin democrats may be able to hold off any more radical (reactionary) change, but they are going to have to fight this battle again in a little over 12 months. It will be a presidential election, so the turnout may be better, but they are still battling on a tilted playing field with crooked refs calling the game.
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Comment by 
Mondobubba on 08/10/2011 12:55:44
Mondobubba on 08/10/2011 12:55:44
Morning 
Comment by 
wickedpam on 08/10/2011 13:01:01
wickedpam on 08/10/2011 13:01:01
Morning 
Comment by 
Raine on 08/10/2011 13:01:03
good morning. So close, so close.
Raine on 08/10/2011 13:01:03
good morning. So close, so close.
Comment by 
Scoopster on 08/10/2011 13:05:32
Scoopster on 08/10/2011 13:05:32
Good morning all.. 
Comment by Mondobubba on 08/10/2011 13:06:20
Mondobubba on 08/10/2011 13:06:20
The MSM, inside the Beltway consensus seems to be big loss for Wisconsin Dems! People are happy with their representations (Oh yeah, lots of outside money running attack ads).
Comment by wickedpam on 08/10/2011 13:07:26
wickedpam on 08/10/2011 13:07:26
I feel rather dismayed this morning
Comment by Raine on 08/10/2011 13:14:03
Raine on 08/10/2011 13:14:03
I still want to see the final tallies from that one district.
Comment by wickedpam on 08/10/2011 13:15:57
same here, I don't trust that woman, she's messed with stuff before on numerous occasions I don't see why she wouldn't now
wickedpam on 08/10/2011 13:15:57
Quote by Raine:
I still want to see the final tallies from that one district.
same here, I don't trust that woman, she's messed with stuff before on numerous occasions I don't see why she wouldn't now
Comment by Raine on 08/10/2011 13:24:59
Raine on 08/10/2011 13:24:59
Neo-Nazis tricked by T-shirt that changed message after it was washed....
This is just kinda awesome.
This is just kinda awesome.
Comment by wickedpam on 08/10/2011 13:28:00
pretty ingenious
wickedpam on 08/10/2011 13:28:00
Quote by Raine:
Neo-Nazis tricked by T-shirt that changed message after it was washed....
This is just kinda awesome.
pretty ingenious
Comment by Raine on 08/10/2011 13:29:37
Maybe this will help you feel better about last night.
Raine on 08/10/2011 13:29:37
Quote by wickedpam:
I feel rather dismayed this morning
Comment by wickedpam on 08/10/2011 13:40:39
I can see that theres a ray of hope. Its a matter of getting people involved.
Maybe it just news that next week that 2 of the Dems are facing a recall election, the redrawing of districts to favor repubs, and the money that poor into the state
wickedpam on 08/10/2011 13:40:39
Quote by Raine:Maybe this will help you feel better about last night.Quote by wickedpam:
I feel rather dismayed this morning
I can see that theres a ray of hope. Its a matter of getting people involved.
Maybe it just news that next week that 2 of the Dems are facing a recall election, the redrawing of districts to favor repubs, and the money that poor into the state
Comment by Mondobubba on 08/10/2011 13:52:43
Mondobubba on 08/10/2011 13:52:43
Comment by Scoopster on 08/10/2011 14:00:53
And don't forget.. this is just the opening volley.
In January, we go after Walker, the other state executive officers, and the other State Senators who would be eligible for a recall vote at that time, including Fitzgerald.
Scoopster on 08/10/2011 14:00:53
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:Maybe this will help you feel better about last night.Quote by wickedpam:
I feel rather dismayed this morning
I can see that theres a ray of hope. Its a matter of getting people involved.
Maybe it just news that next week that 2 of the Dems are facing a recall election, the redrawing of districts to favor repubs, and the money that poor into the state
And don't forget.. this is just the opening volley.
In January, we go after Walker, the other state executive officers, and the other State Senators who would be eligible for a recall vote at that time, including Fitzgerald.
Comment by wickedpam on 08/10/2011 14:02:10
That is true - must be my impatience showing
wickedpam on 08/10/2011 14:02:10
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:Maybe this will help you feel better about last night.Quote by wickedpam:
I feel rather dismayed this morning
I can see that theres a ray of hope. Its a matter of getting people involved.
Maybe it just news that next week that 2 of the Dems are facing a recall election, the redrawing of districts to favor repubs, and the money that poor into the state
And don't forget.. this is just the opening volley.
In January, we go after Walker, the other state executive officers, and the other State Senators who would be eligible for a recall vote at that time, including Fitzgerald.
That is true - must be my impatience showing
Comment by Scoopster on 08/10/2011 14:04:05
we'll get there.. hey we outlasted 8 years of Dubya didn't we?
Scoopster on 08/10/2011 14:04:05
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Scoopster:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:Maybe this will help you feel better about last night.Quote by wickedpam:
I feel rather dismayed this morning
I can see that theres a ray of hope. Its a matter of getting people involved.
Maybe it just news that next week that 2 of the Dems are facing a recall election, the redrawing of districts to favor repubs, and the money that poor into the state
And don't forget.. this is just the opening volley.
In January, we go after Walker, the other state executive officers, and the other State Senators who would be eligible for a recall vote at that time, including Fitzgerald.
That is true - must be my impatience showing
we'll get there.. hey we outlasted 8 years of Dubya didn't we?
Comment by Mondobubba on 08/10/2011 14:06:38
Mondobubba on 08/10/2011 14:06:38
So, who else has read Ryan Lizza's profile of Crazy Eyes in this week's New Yorker?
Comment by wickedpam on 08/10/2011 14:08:24
we did indeed :D
wickedpam on 08/10/2011 14:08:24
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Scoopster:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:Maybe this will help you feel better about last night.Quote by wickedpam:
I feel rather dismayed this morning
I can see that theres a ray of hope. Its a matter of getting people involved.
Maybe it just news that next week that 2 of the Dems are facing a recall election, the redrawing of districts to favor repubs, and the money that poor into the state
And don't forget.. this is just the opening volley.
In January, we go after Walker, the other state executive officers, and the other State Senators who would be eligible for a recall vote at that time, including Fitzgerald.
That is true - must be my impatience showing
we did indeed :D
Comment by Raine on 08/10/2011 14:38:00
Raine on 08/10/2011 14:38:00
I love happy Clappy Scoop! 
Comment by Mondobubba on 08/10/2011 14:39:44
Mondobubba on 08/10/2011 14:39:44
:looks directly into camera: Mala, it gets better. 
Comment by wickedpam on 08/10/2011 14:41:44
aaww thanks
wickedpam on 08/10/2011 14:41:44
Quote by Mondobubba:
:looks directly into camera: Mala, it gets better.
aaww thanks
Comment by Mondobubba on 08/10/2011 14:42:07
Mondobubba on 08/10/2011 14:42:07
:dons creeping Islamic conspiracy tin foil hat: We must stop the Islamasation of Amuricah! No more algebra! First it is this A-rab math the next thing it is Sariah law in our courts! Why isn't Michelle Geller all over this?
Comment by wickedpam on 08/10/2011 14:53:55
And I see Crazy as the crazy eyes in #7
wickedpam on 08/10/2011 14:53:55
Quote by Raine:
I saw this over on Chris LaVoie's page. and
I. Love. This.
And I see Crazy as the crazy eyes in #7
Comment by Mondobubba on 08/10/2011 14:58:24
In number 7, do you think Marcus picked out the dress and shawl that Michele's wearing?
Mondobubba on 08/10/2011 14:58:24
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
I saw this over on Chris LaVoie's page. and
I. Love. This.
And I see Crazy as the crazy eyes in #7
In number 7, do you think Marcus picked out the dress and shawl that Michele's wearing?
Comment by wickedpam on 08/10/2011 15:01:43
hhmm hard to say, they don't have coordinating accessories
wickedpam on 08/10/2011 15:01:43
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
I saw this over on Chris LaVoie's page. and
I. Love. This.
And I see Crazy as the crazy eyes in #7
In number 7, do you think Marcus picked out the dress and shawl that Michele's wearing?
hhmm hard to say, they don't have coordinating accessories
Comment by Mondobubba on 08/10/2011 15:01:48
Mondobubba on 08/10/2011 15:01:48
Wow! What was that sound? Oh nothing just the Dow Jones crashing 402 points today. Nothing to see here move along...
Comment by Raine on 08/10/2011 15:19:15
"it's super Plus, don;t make me!"
Raine on 08/10/2011 15:19:15
"it's super Plus, don;t make me!"
Comment by Raine on 08/10/2011 15:20:21
I've decided to back away from the DJIA for a few hours.
Raine on 08/10/2011 15:20:21
Quote by Mondobubba:
Wow! What was that sound? Oh nothing just the Dow Jones crashing 402 points today. Nothing to see here move along...
Comment by wickedpam on 08/10/2011 15:22:07
I've decided not to look at it at all - its going to be all over the place for months
wickedpam on 08/10/2011 15:22:07
Quote by Raine:I've decided to back away from the DJIA for a few hours.Quote by Mondobubba:
Wow! What was that sound? Oh nothing just the Dow Jones crashing 402 points today. Nothing to see here move along...
I've decided not to look at it at all - its going to be all over the place for months
Comment by Will in Chicago on 08/10/2011 15:22:49
Will in Chicago on 08/10/2011 15:22:49
Good morning, bloggers!!!
I am feeling pretty happy that the voters in Wisconsin made some progress. We now have to gear up and look towards January.
I am feeling pretty happy that the voters in Wisconsin made some progress. We now have to gear up and look towards January.
Comment by Raine on 08/10/2011 15:34:37
I gotta speculate that queensarah is pissed the Michelle done stoled her crown -- and I bet that Michelle is pissed she caught Marcus wearing it the other night.
Raine on 08/10/2011 15:34:37
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
I saw this over on Chris LaVoie's page. and
I. Love. This.
And I see Crazy as the crazy eyes in #7
In number 7, do you think Marcus picked out the dress and shawl that Michele's wearing?
hhmm hard to say, they don't have coordinating accessories
Comment by Raine on 08/10/2011 15:35:38
I agree with that assessment, Will.
It is progress. Progress doen't mean RIGHT NOW -- it just needs to, well, progress.
Raine on 08/10/2011 15:35:38
Quote by Will in Chicago:
Good morning, bloggers!!!
I am feeling pretty happy that the voters in Wisconsin made some progress. We now have to gear up and look towards January.
I agree with that assessment, Will.
It is progress. Progress doen't mean RIGHT NOW -- it just needs to, well, progress.
Comment by Mondobubba on 08/10/2011 15:35:58
let me just say this, somebody was watching "What Not to Wear" and picking up on the pop of color that StacyandClinton were always talking about. :coughMarcusBachmanncough:
Mondobubba on 08/10/2011 15:35:58
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
I saw this over on Chris LaVoie's page. and
I. Love. This.
And I see Crazy as the crazy eyes in #7
In number 7, do you think Marcus picked out the dress and shawl that Michele's wearing?
hhmm hard to say, they don't have coordinating accessories
let me just say this, somebody was watching "What Not to Wear" and picking up on the pop of color that StacyandClinton were always talking about. :coughMarcusBachmanncough:
Comment by Mondobubba on 08/10/2011 15:38:22
Mondobubba on 08/10/2011 15:38:22
Quote by Raine:I gotta speculate that queensarah is pissed the Michelle done stoled her crown -- and I bet that Michelle is pissed she caught Marcus wearing it the other night.Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
I saw this over on Chris LaVoie's page. and
I. Love. This.
And I see Crazy as the crazy eyes in #7
In number 7, do you think Marcus picked out the dress and shawl that Michele's wearing?
hhmm hard to say, they don't have coordinating accessories
Comment by Mondobubba on 08/10/2011 15:39:09
Coordinating accessories are tacky. Just sayin...
Mondobubba on 08/10/2011 15:39:09
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
I saw this over on Chris LaVoie's page. and
I. Love. This.
And I see Crazy as the crazy eyes in #7
In number 7, do you think Marcus picked out the dress and shawl that Michele's wearing?
hhmm hard to say, they don't have coordinating accessories
Coordinating accessories are tacky. Just sayin...
Comment by wickedpam on 08/10/2011 15:47:32
wickedpam on 08/10/2011 15:47:32
I didn't say it wasn't tacky, I said they didn't coordinate - they strike me as a couple who does that - his tie, her shoes or whatever 
Comment by Raine on 08/10/2011 15:47:53
Raine on 08/10/2011 15:47:53
I have to say, I like Chris' version of Eric cantor -- Jim's sounds just like Al Gore.
Comment by Mondobubba on 08/10/2011 15:55:01
No self-respect (closeted) gay man would do that!
Mondobubba on 08/10/2011 15:55:01
Quote by wickedpam:
I didn't say it wasn't tacky, I said they didn't coordinate - they strike me as a couple who does that - his tie, her shoes or whatever
No self-respect (closeted) gay man would do that!
Comment by wickedpam on 08/10/2011 15:57:48
Chris can nail that Richmond accent
wickedpam on 08/10/2011 15:57:48
Quote by Raine:
I have to say, I like Chris' version of Eric cantor -- Jim's sounds just like Al Gore.
Chris can nail that Richmond accent
Comment by wickedpam on 08/10/2011 15:59:28
If he's closeted does he really respect himself?
wickedpam on 08/10/2011 15:59:28
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam:
I didn't say it wasn't tacky, I said they didn't coordinate - they strike me as a couple who does that - his tie, her shoes or whatever
No self-respect (closeted) gay man would do that!
If he's closeted does he really respect himself?
Comment by wickedpam on 08/10/2011 16:16:40
wickedpam on 08/10/2011 16:16:40
And off goes Thom
Comment by Raine on 08/10/2011 16:16:58
Raine on 08/10/2011 16:16:58
See, this is funny and sad.
I am LITERALLy listening to legit news sources about a story that Anonymous plans on killing FB on November 5.
Yes, THAT November 5.
CBS and CNN are two of the outlets reporting it. So I decided to do a little search about this mysterious report. Look at what I stumbled upon:
Wait tho --
Anonymous can't seem to control anonymous. It sort of reminds me of the Tea Party being embraced by the GOP.
Either way -- the Media should do better friggin' research an this crap. They are LITERALLY reporting a rumor as an impending fact.
I am LITERALLy listening to legit news sources about a story that Anonymous plans on killing FB on November 5.
Yes, THAT November 5.
CBS and CNN are two of the outlets reporting it. So I decided to do a little search about this mysterious report. Look at what I stumbled upon:
Anonymous does not support killing Facebook on November 5
...snip...
dates are also questionable: why didn’t this news spread like wildfire three weeks ago? Whenever Anonymous or LulzSec declare a new target, the world definitely notices. Furthermore, while Guy Fawkes Day is a perfectly understandable choice, it’s very far away. There are 112 days between July 16, 2011 and November 5, 2011: Anonymous rarely gives more than a few days notice, if at all.
If Facebook is indeed attacked on November 5, 2011, it does not appear that Anonymous as a whole will be supporting the hacks.
Anonymous can't seem to control anonymous. It sort of reminds me of the Tea Party being embraced by the GOP.
Either way -- the Media should do better friggin' research an this crap. They are LITERALLY reporting a rumor as an impending fact.
Comment by 
livingonli on 08/10/2011 16:32:45
livingonli on 08/10/2011 16:32:45
Good day folks. Back on the anti-depressants which allowed me to sleep better this morning and I do have to get up early tomorrow to get my car serviced since it wigged out again in the rain yesterday. It does seem to be an issue with the battery and running a lot of equipment (radio, AC, wipers and lights) in stop and go traffic.
Comment by wickedpam on 08/10/2011 16:45:04
Have them check to see if its the original wires - I just had a spark plug issue have found out that I still had my original wires! That's 10+ years old.
As for lights - I go though bulbs like crazy and so does every Hyndai owner I know - I think its just an issue with the brand.
wickedpam on 08/10/2011 16:45:04
Quote by livingonli:
Good day folks. Back on the anti-depressants which allowed me to sleep better this morning and I do have to get up early tomorrow to get my car serviced since it wigged out again in the rain yesterday. It does seem to be an issue with the battery and running a lot of equipment (radio, AC, wipers and lights) in stop and go traffic.
Have them check to see if its the original wires - I just had a spark plug issue have found out that I still had my original wires! That's 10+ years old.
As for lights - I go though bulbs like crazy and so does every Hyndai owner I know - I think its just an issue with the brand.
Comment by 
BobR on 08/10/2011 17:06:05
two things:
1) Does it seem to happen more in the rain? There may an insulation problem, and the water is shorting things out.
2) How old is the battery? It might be on its way out.. or - it may be low on water. If you can, pop the top(s) off the cells and see if any look low. Sometimes the summer heat causes the water/acid to evaporate. You can add a little distilled water to the cells and see if that helps.
BobR on 08/10/2011 17:06:05
Quote by livingonli:
Good day folks. Back on the anti-depressants which allowed me to sleep better this morning and I do have to get up early tomorrow to get my car serviced since it wigged out again in the rain yesterday. It does seem to be an issue with the battery and running a lot of equipment (radio, AC, wipers and lights) in stop and go traffic.
two things:
1) Does it seem to happen more in the rain? There may an insulation problem, and the water is shorting things out.
2) How old is the battery? It might be on its way out.. or - it may be low on water. If you can, pop the top(s) off the cells and see if any look low. Sometimes the summer heat causes the water/acid to evaporate. You can add a little distilled water to the cells and see if that helps.
Comment by livingonli on 08/10/2011 17:08:11
livingonli on 08/10/2011 17:08:11
It just seems like when I run all of these things unless I am at highway speed that it seems to put a drain on the battery. Since I live near my job and most of the places I go to are nearby this could be an issue. I should find out tomorrow what's causing it when they look at my car. At least the battery would be cheaper to replace than the alternator.
Comment by Scoopster on 08/10/2011 17:15:53
Scoopster on 08/10/2011 17:15:53
oh wow.. this is PRICELESS
Comment by Mondobubba on 08/10/2011 17:35:36
On number 2, most batteries are the "no service" kind these days. There might not be any tops to pop off.
Mondobubba on 08/10/2011 17:35:36
Quote by BobR:Quote by livingonli:
Good day folks. Back on the anti-depressants which allowed me to sleep better this morning and I do have to get up early tomorrow to get my car serviced since it wigged out again in the rain yesterday. It does seem to be an issue with the battery and running a lot of equipment (radio, AC, wipers and lights) in stop and go traffic.
two things:
1) Does it seem to happen more in the rain? There may an insulation problem, and the water is shorting things out.
2) How old is the battery? It might be on its way out.. or - it may be low on water. If you can, pop the top(s) off the cells and see if any look low. Sometimes the summer heat causes the water/acid to evaporate. You can add a little distilled water to the cells and see if that helps.
On number 2, most batteries are the "no service" kind these days. There might not be any tops to pop off.
Comment by Raine on 08/10/2011 17:59:13
Oh -- I SO want the link to this story!
Raine on 08/10/2011 17:59:13
Quote by Scoopster:
oh wow.. this is PRICELESS
Oh -- I SO want the link to this story!
Comment by Raine on 08/10/2011 18:00:26
Raine on 08/10/2011 18:00:26
he does have a nice tan, though -- wouldn't you agree?
Comment by Raine on 08/10/2011 18:19:54
I just saw this on FB, posted by Thom's wife, Louise..
Democracy Died First in Wisconsin – Long Live the Oligarchs
This is the kind of stuff that really doesn't help. It certainly doesn't encourage people to show up, vote protest and activate -- LIKE WE SAW IN WISCONSIN.
This is a totally *give up* post. This we do not need.
Raine on 08/10/2011 18:19:54
Quote by wickedpam:
And off goes Thom
Democracy Died First in Wisconsin – Long Live the Oligarchs
This is the kind of stuff that really doesn't help. It certainly doesn't encourage people to show up, vote protest and activate -- LIKE WE SAW IN WISCONSIN.
This is a totally *give up* post. This we do not need.
Comment by wickedpam on 08/10/2011 18:23:06
I got a page not found - I guess they yanked it.
Your right - we don't need this. THey have the money to move to a country of their choosing the rest of us have to stay, fight and work the system the best way we can.
wickedpam on 08/10/2011 18:23:06
Quote by Raine:I just saw this on FB, posted by Thom's wife, Louise..Quote by wickedpam:
And off goes Thom
Democracy Died First in Wisconsin – Long Live the Oligarchs
This is the kind of stuff that really doesn't help. It certainly doesn't encourage people to show up, vote protest and activate -- LIKE WE SAW IN WISCONSIN.
This is a totally *give up* post. This we do not need.
I got a page not found - I guess they yanked it.
Your right - we don't need this. THey have the money to move to a country of their choosing the rest of us have to stay, fight and work the system the best way we can.
Comment by Raine on 08/10/2011 18:30:34
Raine on 08/10/2011 18:30:34
Hmm.. I see that too.
This is the post: I am tempted to post some of the comments.
I'll post one:
YES!
This is the post:
The Wisconsin recall election was the first major test of the new era in American politics. That new era began in January of 2010 when the US Supreme Court ruled in “Citizens United v. FEC†that the political voice of We The People was no longer as important as the voices of billionaires and transnational corporations.
Now we know the result, and it bodes ill for both 2012 and for the tattered future of small-d democracy in our republic. A few of America’s most notorious oligarchs – including the Koch and the DeVos (Amway fortune) billionaires – as well as untraceable millions from donors who could as easily be Chinese government-run corporations as giant “American†companies who do most of their business and keep most of their profits outside the US – apparently played big in this election.
I say “apparently†because the Supreme Court has ruled that we no longer have the right to know who is really funding our election commercials, or even our candidates themselves. Thanks to an irrational and likely illegal Supreme Court ruling, we have moved into an era of oligarch-run politics. As much as $40 million of our oligarch’s money was spent in Wisconsin in a handful of local races – a testing laboratory for strategies that will now be used against Democrats nationwide in 2012.
And so now we enter the battle of the oligarchs over the next fifteen or so months. As the old saying goes, when the elephants fight, the mice get trampled. In this case, the mice aren’t just the voters. It’s democracy itself. America is now – demonstrably, as proven by Wisconsin – just a few years away from the possibility of a totally corrupted, totally billionaire- and corporate-controlled political system. Political scientists call it oligarchy.
The Citizens United election experiment is over, and the oligarchs won. Long live the oligarchy.
I'll post one:
So Republicans lose 2 seats that they won in the last election and this this is supposed to be a defeat for Liberal democracy? Every form of government in history has done nothing but concentrate wealth. Fighting this will never be easy. We will never be as organized or as well funded as them.
And for the Ayn Randers...There is another name for their form of "Liberty".... Its called Fasicsm. Let me know when your Objectivst ethics compel you to return stolen land from the Native Americans or compensate the decedents of enslaved Africans for building this country.
40 Million spent and they lost 2 of 6 in a local election.
We have the power!!!! let's target their companies. Getting 10 to 12 percent of liberals and progressives to cooperate should be easy.....and will be noticed.
Comment by Raine on 08/10/2011 18:31:46
Raine on 08/10/2011 18:31:46
Oh and this:
I liked that.
I forgot where I've heard this before, but... despair is not an option.
I liked that.
Comment by Raine on 08/10/2011 18:33:16
Raine on 08/10/2011 18:33:16
We shouldn't be apathetic. I hate to use an old crusty cliche' but it's always darkest before the dawn!
Comment by Raine on 08/10/2011 18:35:49
Raine on 08/10/2011 18:35:49
SAY WHAT THE EFF?!?!?!
Ryan is not gonna be a part of the Super Congress?
Ryan is not gonna be a part of the Super Congress?
Comment by Raine on 08/10/2011 18:37:56
Raine on 08/10/2011 18:37:56
It's a LOT funny that Nancy Pelosi -- considered by many to be an uber liberal is taking the longest time to pick her peeps to be on the Super congress.
Comment by Raine on 08/10/2011 18:39:29
Raine on 08/10/2011 18:39:29
Ok, Scoop -- fill me in on these Boehner picks:
House Speaker John Boehner chose House Republican Conference Chairman Jeb Hensarling of Texas, House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Dave Camp of Michigan and House Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Fred Upton of Michigan.
Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell chose Sens. Jon Kyl of Arizona, Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania and Rob Portman of Ohio to represent the Senate GOP.
The announcements come one day after Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid appointed his three picks -- Sens. Patty Murray of Washington, Max Baucus of Montana and John Kerry of Massachusetts. House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi has until Aug. 16 to choose her three selections of House Democrats to fill out the committee.
Comment by Raine on 08/10/2011 18:46:45
Raine on 08/10/2011 18:46:45
club for Growth Pat Toomey.
I am not unhappy with With 2 of the 3 choices from the Dem Senate side. Baucus makes me concerned. TERRIBLY concerned.
That said -- looking at the GOP choices, it is a little funny. I am eagerly awaiting for Pelosi to present the House Minority choices.
I still hate this idea, BTW. It's so damn indicative of how much that branch of government has broken down. It's starting to look like a Union bargaining arbitration....
Oh... Wait.
I am not unhappy with With 2 of the 3 choices from the Dem Senate side. Baucus makes me concerned. TERRIBLY concerned.
That said -- looking at the GOP choices, it is a little funny. I am eagerly awaiting for Pelosi to present the House Minority choices.
I still hate this idea, BTW. It's so damn indicative of how much that branch of government has broken down. It's starting to look like a Union bargaining arbitration....
Oh... Wait.
Comment by wickedpam on 08/10/2011 18:49:51
wickedpam on 08/10/2011 18:49:51
Comment by Scoopster on 08/10/2011 18:54:33
Lesse.. Hensarling's called SS/Medicare/Medicaid "ponzi schemes", Camp has called them "promises that won't be kept", and Upton is the guy who wrote the light bulb efficiency bill and BRAGGED ABOUT THE ENERGY SAVINGS, then proposed to have it repealed after Limbaugh & Beck called him out on it.
Scoopster on 08/10/2011 18:54:33
Quote by Raine:
Ok, Scoop -- fill me in on these Boehner picks:House Speaker John Boehner chose House Republican Conference Chairman Jeb Hensarling of Texas, House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Dave Camp of Michigan and House Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Fred Upton of Michigan.
Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell chose Sens. Jon Kyl of Arizona, Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania and Rob Portman of Ohio to represent the Senate GOP.
The announcements come one day after Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid appointed his three picks -- Sens. Patty Murray of Washington, Max Baucus of Montana and John Kerry of Massachusetts. House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi has until Aug. 16 to choose her three selections of House Democrats to fill out the committee.
Lesse.. Hensarling's called SS/Medicare/Medicaid "ponzi schemes", Camp has called them "promises that won't be kept", and Upton is the guy who wrote the light bulb efficiency bill and BRAGGED ABOUT THE ENERGY SAVINGS, then proposed to have it repealed after Limbaugh & Beck called him out on it.
Comment by Raine on 08/10/2011 19:04:08
Oyvay.
I am REALLY looking forward too seeing who Pelosi chooses.
Thus far, I am concerned about Baucus. I really am. The Senate GOP picks suck.
Raine on 08/10/2011 19:04:08
Quote by Scoopster:
Lesse.. Hensarling's called SS/Medicare/Medicaid "ponzi schemes", Camp has called them "promises that won't be kept", and Upton is the guy who wrote the light bulb efficiency bill and BRAGGED ABOUT THE ENERGY SAVINGS, then proposed to have it repealed after Limbaugh & Beck called him out on it.
I am REALLY looking forward too seeing who Pelosi chooses.
Thus far, I am concerned about Baucus. I really am. The Senate GOP picks suck.
Comment by livingonli on 08/10/2011 19:05:26
livingonli on 08/10/2011 19:05:26
The GOP is the party of oligarchy, no doubt about it now.
Comment by Raine on 08/10/2011 19:06:01
Raine on 08/10/2011 19:06:01
So -- When can I blamer Obama for wanting to destroy social safety nets?
The legislative branch is so terribly broken right now.
The legislative branch is so terribly broken right now.
Comment by Scoopster on 08/10/2011 19:10:21
Scoopster on 08/10/2011 19:10:21
Comment by BobR on 08/10/2011 19:14:37
hence my qualifier "If you can, pop the top(s) off"
BobR on 08/10/2011 19:14:37
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by BobR:Quote by livingonli:
Good day folks. Back on the anti-depressants which allowed me to sleep better this morning and I do have to get up early tomorrow to get my car serviced since it wigged out again in the rain yesterday. It does seem to be an issue with the battery and running a lot of equipment (radio, AC, wipers and lights) in stop and go traffic.
two things:
1) Does it seem to happen more in the rain? There may an insulation problem, and the water is shorting things out.
2) How old is the battery? It might be on its way out.. or - it may be low on water. If you can, pop the top(s) off the cells and see if any look low. Sometimes the summer heat causes the water/acid to evaporate. You can add a little distilled water to the cells and see if that helps.
On number 2, most batteries are the "no service" kind these days. There might not be any tops to pop off.
hence my qualifier "If you can, pop the top(s) off"
Comment by Raine on 08/10/2011 19:20:16
VERY, VERY interesting. They are a VERY dysfunctional lot. the GOP.
I can actually understand (tho I disagree) with Reid's choice for Baucus -- He's a fiscal conservative.
But this, I'm not quite sure. Upton has a real chance to be a kingmaker -- if he decides to return to his roots.
Raine on 08/10/2011 19:20:16
VERY interesting.
VERY, VERY interesting. They are a VERY dysfunctional lot. the GOP.
I can actually understand (tho I disagree) with Reid's choice for Baucus -- He's a fiscal conservative.
But this, I'm not quite sure. Upton has a real chance to be a kingmaker -- if he decides to return to his roots.
Comment by Mondobubba on 08/10/2011 20:36:32
Mondobubba on 08/10/2011 20:36:32
why 
do I bother with Alternet?
do I bother with Alternet?
Comment by Raine on 08/10/2011 20:44:49
Because you like banging your head on an emoticon brick wall?
I kid.
I still read it, I just like to source out the links they supply. Mostly ALWAYS it sends me to a newspaper source.
Raine on 08/10/2011 20:44:49
Quote by Mondobubba:
why
I kid.
I still read it, I just like to source out the links they supply. Mostly ALWAYS it sends me to a newspaper source.
Comment by Raine on 08/10/2011 20:49:54
Source. DKos.
I will not agree, as this diarist says, that the fix is in. Not yet, but this is interesting.
How the hell did Grover gain so much power?
Raine on 08/10/2011 20:49:54
Source. DKos.
I will not agree, as this diarist says, that the fix is in. Not yet, but this is interesting.
How the hell did Grover gain so much power?
Comment by Mondobubba on 08/10/2011 21:00:18
Today there was an article by Frank Schaeffer about where Bachmann-Turner overdrive gets her goofy ass ideas, but it basically a rehash of an article Schaeffer wrote about Dominionist about a year ago. It's almost like they aren't trying anymore.
Then of course there is the constant pessimistic hand-wringing.
Mondobubba on 08/10/2011 21:00:18
Quote by Raine:Because you like banging your head on an emoticon brick wall?Quote by Mondobubba:
why
I kid.
I still read it, I just like to source out the links they supply. Mostly ALWAYS it sends me to a newspaper source.
Today there was an article by Frank Schaeffer about where Bachmann-Turner overdrive gets her goofy ass ideas, but it basically a rehash of an article Schaeffer wrote about Dominionist about a year ago. It's almost like they aren't trying anymore.
Then of course there is the constant pessimistic hand-wringing.
Comment by Raine on 08/10/2011 21:18:03
Some sites, and some people have become (to me at least) people who simply thrive on anger.
I may have to write about this next week. It's one thing to be critical, it ENTIRELY another things to just continually put out outrage just to keep people upset.
The latter does no good. It's not much different than fox.
Raine on 08/10/2011 21:18:03
Quote by Mondobubba:
Today there was an article by Frank Schaeffer about where Bachmann-Turner overdrive gets her goofy ass ideas, but it basically a rehash of an article Schaeffer wrote about Dominionist about a year ago. It's almost like they aren't trying anymore.
Then of course there is the constant pessimistic hand-wringing.
I may have to write about this next week. It's one thing to be critical, it ENTIRELY another things to just continually put out outrage just to keep people upset.
The latter does no good. It's not much different than fox.
Comment by Mondobubba on 08/10/2011 21:19:53
Yeah he is one powerful Muppet!
Mondobubba on 08/10/2011 21:19:53
Quote by Raine:
Source. DKos.
I will not agree, as this diarist says, that the fix is in. Not yet, but this is interesting.
How the hell did Grover gain so much power?
Yeah he is one powerful Muppet!
Comment by Mondobubba on 08/10/2011 21:38:34
It just isn't the anger or outrage, in the constant mithering and whining. I mean the entire ediface of the right could suddenly say from the Koch brothers down to the dumbest teabagger, "We were wrong and we are sorry! From know on we will work to build a better society together with you, our brothers and sisters on the left." Alternet would still find a way to piss and moan about it. Kinda like my cousin, Die Kommisar. A woman so humorless, that while the whole world was celebrating the rescue of the Chilean miners last year she posted an article about how awful Chile is thanks to Pinochet.
Mondobubba on 08/10/2011 21:38:34
Quote by Raine:Some sites, and some people have become (to me at least) people who simply thrive on anger.Quote by Mondobubba:
Today there was an article by Frank Schaeffer about where Bachmann-Turner overdrive gets her goofy ass ideas, but it basically a rehash of an article Schaeffer wrote about Dominionist about a year ago. It's almost like they aren't trying anymore.
Then of course there is the constant pessimistic hand-wringing.
I may have to write about this next week. It's one thing to be critical, it ENTIRELY another things to just continually put out outrage just to keep people upset.
The latter does no good. It's not much different than fox.
It just isn't the anger or outrage, in the constant mithering and whining. I mean the entire ediface of the right could suddenly say from the Koch brothers down to the dumbest teabagger, "We were wrong and we are sorry! From know on we will work to build a better society together with you, our brothers and sisters on the left." Alternet would still find a way to piss and moan about it. Kinda like my cousin, Die Kommisar. A woman so humorless, that while the whole world was celebrating the rescue of the Chilean miners last year she posted an article about how awful Chile is thanks to Pinochet.
Comment by Scoopster on 08/10/2011 23:26:09
Scoopster on 08/10/2011 23:26:09
Ugh Chris Matthews is a fucking idiot..
He's bitching 'where's labor - i see rallies for the tea party and steven colbert but no labor'. HEY IDIOT WHERE WERE YOU A MONTH BEFORE THE STEWART/COLBERT RALLY?!
He's bitching 'where's labor - i see rallies for the tea party and steven colbert but no labor'. HEY IDIOT WHERE WERE YOU A MONTH BEFORE THE STEWART/COLBERT RALLY?!
Comment by 
TriSec on 08/11/2011 00:09:46
TriSec on 08/11/2011 00:09:46
< TriSec makes his sad, lonely, evening appearance >
Hi. My name is Tri S. It has been 24 hours since I was last on a blog.
Hi. My name is Tri S. It has been 24 hours since I was last on a blog.
Comment by livingonli on 08/11/2011 01:07:50
livingonli on 08/11/2011 01:07:50
Poor TriSec. Denied the joys of the internet.
Comment by BobR on 08/11/2011 01:24:28
the
are stale and the is tepid, but the are warm...
BobR on 08/11/2011 01:24:28
Quote by TriSec:
< TriSec makes his sad, lonely, evening appearance >
Hi. My name is Tri S. It has been 24 hours since I was last on a blog.
the
are stale and the is tepid, but the are warm...
Comment by BobR on 08/11/2011 01:25:33
BobR on 08/11/2011 01:25:33
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
Source. DKos.
I will not agree, as this diarist says, that the fix is in. Not yet, but this is interesting.
How the hell did Grover gain so much power?
Yeah he is one powerful Muppet!