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Author: TriSec    Date: 11/15/2011 11:16:18

Good Morning.

Today is our 3,163rd day in Iraq, and our 3,691st day in Afghanistan.

We'll start this morning as we always do; with the latest casualty figures from our ongoing wars, courtesy of Antiwar.com:

American Deaths
Since war began (3/19/03): 4483
Since "Mission Accomplished" (5/1/03): 4344
Since Handover (6/29/04): 3624
Since Obama Inauguration (1/20/09): 255
Since Operation New Dawn: 55

Other Coalition Troops - Iraq: 318
US Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 1,833
Other Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 966
Contractor Employee Deaths - Iraq: 1,487
Journalists - Iraq : 348
Academics Killed - Iraq: 448

We find this morning's Cost of War passing through:

1, 278, 117, 675, 000. 00



On this, the week after Veteran's Day...we'll turn to some actual veterans. This story was posted this past weekend in The Commercial Record...Saugatuck, MI. There are three veteran's stories in the article. I'll post just one, and you should certainly go and read the rest of them.


Brian Huberty is no stranger to history.

Not only does the 33-year-old father of three teach it at Plainwell High School, but he spent nearly a year of his life being a part of it when he was deployed in Iraq in 2004 and 2005.

A National Guardsman, Huberty began his service with the 1463rd Transportation Company out of Wyoming, Mich., soon after enlisting in late 2001.

Although he enlisted shortly after 9/11, Huberty said he had other, more personal reasons to join.

“I always had a desire to be involved in the military,” Huberty said. “When I graduated from college, I had an opportunity to join while getting all of my initial training done before schools would begin to interview for open positions. I viewed it as a challenge and decided to join.”

When he was activated for active service, he served with the 137th Transportation Company (PLS) out of Lawrence, Kan. Huberty eventually attained the rank of sergeant, E5.

When he was deployed in Iraq, Huberty took on a role that mirrored his jobs as a teacher and coach back home.

“I was a squad leader and had seven other soldiers I was responsible for,” Huberty said.

“(We) served in a transportation company,” he added. “Our specific job was to transport goods all over the region—water, vehicles, ammunition, parts, anything and everything. My driver and I provided security for our convoys while we were deployed.”

Prior to his deployment, Huberty said he envisioned his job would closely resemble that of his Hollywood counterparts.

“I anticipated Black Hawk Down—that I was going to be shot at from around every corner,” he said. “But I soon learned that I wasn’t going to be shot at from around every corner.”

Instead, he learned a much harsher reality.

“You kind of come to grips with mortality and move on,” he said, alluding to his fallen brothers- and sisters-in-arms. “You might not come back and then again you might; you just didn’t waste time worrying about it.”

In spite of the fact that Huberty was able to overcome that fear, he said he doesn’t think his family was able to do so quite as easily.

“Being away that long is very stressful on the family,” he said. “My wife was home alone for well over a year knowing that every phone call could be bad news. That was the hardest thing: knowing that they were having a hard time with (me) being deployed.”

Despite all of the hardships Huberty and his family had to endure, Huberty says it was all worth it.

“That was a long year and makes the freedoms and privileges I enjoy that (much) sweeter,” he said. “(I) remember what it means to sacrifice. I have a greater appreciation for those who served before me. I am very proud of my service and there is nothing I would do differently.”

In addition to reshaping his views of freedom, sacrifice and service, his time also helped him grow as a teacher and a coach.

“I teach social studies and I think it gives me a greater base of experience to pull from and explain conflict throughout history,” he said. “I think being able to draw on my experience has allowed me to connect the student with the material being taught.”

Huberty not only teaches his students about the past but also opens their eyes to options of the future.

“A few times a year I go and speak to our students and share my experience with them, and I explain what the military is, how it is beneficial and what the downfalls are,” he said. “I am no recruiter, but I believe that the military can be a great choice for some of our young men and women. I have seen former students of mine come back from being in the military, and it was a life-changing experience.

“The military isn’t for everyone, but there are great benefits,” he continued. “I always, always say that, if you are going to join, join for the right reasons. Never join because you want school paid for. You have to have that internal desire to better yourself and (your) country.”

*snip*

These three men have varying feelings about their time in Iraq, but all agreed: they’ve never experienced camaraderie like the kind they experienced there.

Each man formed bonds, most of which will likely last them a lifetime—bonds with their fellow soldiers, who became their friends, who became their brothers and sisters.

It’s this family who has left or will soon be leaving Iraq. It’s this family, nameless and faceless to many Americans, who were at the center of debate for nearly a decade.

They are our fathers, our mothers. They are our brothers, our sisters. They are our cousins, uncles, aunts, friends, schoolmates, teachers and coaches.

More than that, they’re our fellow man.

And whether or not we agree with them, they are still people. They believed in a cause so much that they were willing to risk everything for it, even death.



Changing gears...for many Americans, as we approach the holidays it's the only time they tend to think about our soldiers overseas. This is the time of year when most donations of time, money, and material go to the various charities established to help veterans, their families, and our returning soldiers. It's also the time for the unscrupulous among us to make their moves as well. If you do give to a military charity this year...be careful out there.


There are many ways we honor members of the armed services. We rise and applaud them at sporting events, wiping our eyes at the sight of muscular young men with prosthetic legs. We hang banners from overpasses, welcoming home local men and women who have served in Iraq and Afghanistan. We attach “Support Our Troops” stickers to our cars.

While symbolic measures are no doubt appreciated, veterans need much more than a standing ovation and a pat on the back. Many are suffering from traumatic physical and emotional wounds. Civilian jobs are scarce. More than 135,000 veterans are homeless.

There are dozens of charities that claim to help veterans. You’ve probably received a phone call from some of them, or been solicited for donations at the grocery store. Sadly, though, the track record for veterans’ charities is poor, charity watchdogs say, for two reasons:

• Veterans organizations, along with groups that solicit funds for firefighters and police officers, are magnets for hucksters and thieves.

For example, a man who identified himself as Lt. Cmdr. Bobby Thompson raised millions of dollars and cozied up to some well-placed politicians by creating a sham charity called the U.S. Navy Veterans Association. An investigation by the St. Petersburg Times found that the charity reported income of more than $100 million since 2002. The group’s founder, who never served in the military and apparently stole someone’s identity, has been indicted, but his whereabouts are unknown.

Crooks gravitate to veterans charities because they’re lucrative, says Ken Berger, chief executive of Charity Navigator, a charity watchdog. Helping veterans “is a very powerful mission that pulls at many people’s heartstrings,” he says. “They see a big bucket of money to rip off.”

• A large percentage of donors’ funds go to telemarketers and professional fundraisers.

Many well-meaning founders of veterans groups don’t have the time or expertise to run a charity, so they hire telemarketers and professional fundraisers, Berger says. Too often, he says, they turn a blind eye to the amount of money the professionals keep for themselves.

Some large veterans charities spend up to 90 percent of donors’ contributions on fundraising, says Daniel Borochoff, president of CharityWatch (formerly the American Institute of Philanthropy).

Borochoff’s research into the high cost of fundraising by veterans charities led to congressional hearings in 2007. Borochoff told Congress that 75 percent of the veterans charities he analyzed received a “D” or “F” rating, vs. 22 percent of all charities.

Since then, the situation has gotten worse, Borochoff says. “It’s a national disgrace that hundreds of millions of donations intended for veterans are being wasted on massive direct-mail campaigns and gimmicks such as unordered greeting cards.”

TIPS FOR DONORS:
• Don’t respond to phone solicitations unless you already have a relationship with the charity, Borochoff says. Those calls are typically made by fundraisers, which means only a fraction of your contribution will go to veterans programs.

• Don’t give money to people who solicit for contributions outside retail stores or on the street, even if they’re wearing a military uniform. There’s no way of knowing whether the money is going to vets — or even if the individual asking for funds is really a veteran, Borochoff says.

• Don’t give because you received something in the mail. Some charities send prospective donors flags, desk sets, blankets and other premiums. These organizations hope recipients will feel compelled to send in a contribution to pay for the items, Borochoff says. “If you start getting a lot of unordered merchandise, (the charity) is probably really inefficient.”

• Don’t be misled by impressive-sounding names. Just because a charity is named after a well-known admiral or military hero doesn’t mean it’s a well-run organization.


Of course, you all know the preferred charity here at Ask a Vet.
 

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Comment by wickedpam on 11/15/2011 13:40:03
Morning

Comment by BobR on 11/15/2011 13:51:24
TriSec - the link for your Preferred Charity is empty.

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/15/2011 13:56:36
Morning.

Comment by TriSec on 11/15/2011 14:07:52
OK, should be fixed. But I'm sure you can guess where that points to.

Welcome to the Fascist States of America, BTW.



Comment by Raine on 11/15/2011 14:28:43
good morning!

Comment by Raine on 11/15/2011 14:37:23
OMG, this is still making me laugh -- it's just as funny to read.


"President Obama called for the removal of Gaddafi. Just want to make sure we're talking about the same thing before I say, yes I agree, I know I didn't agree. I do not agree with the way he handled it for the following reason -- no, that's a different one. I gotta go back to... Got all this stuff twirling around in my head. Specifically, what are you asking me, did I agree or not disagree with on what?"


Comment by Mondobubba on 11/15/2011 14:42:16
Quote by Raine:
OMG, this is still making me laugh -- it's just as funny to read.


"President Obama called for the removal of Gaddafi. Just want to make sure we're talking about the same thing before I say, yes I agree, I know I didn't agree. I do not agree with the way he handled it for the following reason -- no, that's a different one. I gotta go back to... Got all this stuff twirling around in my head. Specifically, what are you asking me, did I agree or not disagree with on what?"



It is funny to read, but it is painfully funny to watch. Who thought that this would be the end of The Herminator, not the sexual improprity.

Comment by wickedpam on 11/15/2011 14:43:25
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Raine:
OMG, this is still making me laugh -- it's just as funny to read.


"President Obama called for the removal of Gaddafi. Just want to make sure we're talking about the same thing before I say, yes I agree, I know I didn't agree. I do not agree with the way he handled it for the following reason -- no, that's a different one. I gotta go back to... Got all this stuff twirling around in my head. Specifically, what are you asking me, did I agree or not disagree with on what?"



It is funny to read, but it is painfully funny to watch. Who thought that this would be the end of The Herminator, not the sexual improprity.



Reminds me of a kid called to give a book report but never read the book

Comment by Scoopster on 11/15/2011 14:45:11
Morning all..

Well I hate to bring in sad news, but it felt appropriate for an Ask-a-Vet day. A high school classmate of mine, who served in Iraq & Afghanistan and was suffering from PTSD, committed suicide on Friday.

Comment by Raine on 11/15/2011 14:47:06
Quote by Scoopster:
Morning all..

Well I hate to bring in sad news, but it felt appropriate for an Ask-a-Vet day. A high school classmate of mine, who served in Iraq & Afghanistan and was suffering from PTSD, committed suicide on Friday.
Oh Damn.

I'm so sorry scoop.


Comment by Mondobubba on 11/15/2011 14:47:36
Quote by Scoopster:
Morning all..

Well I hate to bring in sad news, but it felt appropriate for an Ask-a-Vet day. A high school classmate of mine, who served in Iraq & Afghanistan and was suffering from PTSD, committed suicide on Friday.



Scoop, that is horrible. I am sorry for your loss.

Comment by wickedpam on 11/15/2011 14:52:17
Quote by Scoopster:
Morning all..

Well I hate to bring in sad news, but it felt appropriate for an Ask-a-Vet day. A high school classmate of mine, who served in Iraq & Afghanistan and was suffering from PTSD, committed suicide on Friday.



oh no, I'm sorry to hear that Scoop

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/15/2011 14:56:03
My thought bubble as I email a customer


Dear hydrocephaletic moron,

Thank you for your whinging, whiney clueless email. Did you actually try, I mean by using the ham-like clubs at the end of your hands to type the address of your website into the address bar of your browser? No, you git, not in "The Google" in the ADDRESS BAR!

Please Fuck of and Die,

Mondo.


I am in a very surly mood today.

Comment by wickedpam on 11/15/2011 15:00:52
Quote by Mondobubba:
My thought bubble as I email a customer


Dear hydrocephaletic moron,

Thank you for your whinging, whiney clueless email. Did you actually try, I mean by using the ham-like clubs at the end of your hands to type the address of your website into the address bar of your browser? No, you git, not in "The Google" in the ADDRESS BAR!

Please Fuck of and Die,

Mondo.


I am in a very surly mood today.



Surly? no, not you

Comment by Scoopster on 11/15/2011 15:02:19
Thanks guys.. The whole thing is kinda surreal, ya know? As far as I know this is the second of our graduating class to pass on.

I was just thinking back and remembered a senior class assembly we had.. The speaker went through making groups of us stand up for various reasons - half of you will do this in your life and a quarter of you will do that.. Towards the end of the program he picked one person to stand up and said that's statistically how many of us would die within two years of graduating, and statistically how many of us would commit suicide.

Weird how you recall these things from your past when you least expect.

Comment by Raine on 11/15/2011 15:03:23
I watched the Giffords interview last night, and all I can say is ...





Damn allergies....

Comment by TriSec on 11/15/2011 15:04:48
HEy gang...things are happening fast and furious now. Got another interview this week...Thursday morning.

If succesful, it would necessitate a move "out west", but to a Bostonian that's relative...we're talking outside Route 495 here.



Comment by Raine on 11/15/2011 15:05:22
Quote by Scoopster:
Thanks guys.. The whole thing is kinda surreal, ya know? As far as I know this is the second of our graduating class to pass on.

I was just thinking back and remembered a senior class assembly we had.. The speaker went through making groups of us stand up for various reasons - half of you will do this in your life and a quarter of you will do that.. Towards the end of the program he picked one person to stand up and said that's statistically how many of us would die within two years of graduating, and statistically how many of us would commit suicide.

Weird how you recall these things from your past when you least expect.
No words.

Did he have a family of his own?


Comment by wickedpam on 11/15/2011 15:08:50
Quote by TriSec:
HEy gang...things are happening fast and furious now. Got another interview this week...Thursday morning.

If succesful, it would necessitate a move "out west", but to a Bostonian that's relative...we're talking outside Route 495 here.




congrats!

Same term is used for Washingtonians outside of the beltway

Comment by Scoopster on 11/15/2011 15:09:06
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Scoopster:
Thanks guys.. The whole thing is kinda surreal, ya know? As far as I know this is the second of our graduating class to pass on.

I was just thinking back and remembered a senior class assembly we had.. The speaker went through making groups of us stand up for various reasons - half of you will do this in your life and a quarter of you will do that.. Towards the end of the program he picked one person to stand up and said that's statistically how many of us would die within two years of graduating, and statistically how many of us would commit suicide.

Weird how you recall these things from your past when you least expect.
No words.

Did he have a family of his own?

She had just gotten engaged to one of my other classmates. He knew that she was depressed and tried to help her with it, but from what I've heard he left for work or a call (he's been a volunteer firefighter since HS) and when he came back she was almost gone.

Comment by Raine on 11/15/2011 15:13:46
Quote by Scoopster:
She had just gotten engaged to one of my other classmates. He knew that she was depressed and tried to help her with it, but from what I've heard he left for work or a call (he's been a volunteer firefighter since HS) and when he came back she was almost gone.
Sorry, I assumed your friend was male.

Oh, this is so sad. I hope her fiancé knows that he tried to help.


Comment by Mondobubba on 11/15/2011 15:14:25
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Mondobubba:
My thought bubble as I email a customer


Dear hydrocephaletic moron,

Thank you for your whinging, whiney clueless email. Did you actually try, I mean by using the ham-like clubs at the end of your hands to type the address of your website into the address bar of your browser? No, you git, not in "The Google" in the ADDRESS BAR!

Please Fuck of and Die,

Mondo.


I am in a very surly mood today.



Surly? no, not you



Surlier than normal I should say.

Comment by Raine on 11/15/2011 15:24:35
Hey Mala, do you know if there are any of those stores around that you can have one customized T-shirt made?




Comment by wickedpam on 11/15/2011 15:27:55
Quote by Raine:
Hey Mala, do you know if there are any of those stores around that you can have one customized T-shirt made?





we use Vistaprint when we want t-shirts made but that's online and takes about a week to get. If your looking to do something just iron on though you can get iron-on transfer paper from Michaels

Comment by Raine on 11/15/2011 15:29:52
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Raine:
Hey Mala, do you know if there are any of those stores around that you can have one customized T-shirt made?





we use Vistaprint when we want t-shirts made but that's online and takes about a week to get. If your looking to do something just iron on though you can get iron-on transfer paper from Michaels

Excellent. Looks like a trip to Michaels in order.

Comment by BobR on 11/15/2011 15:35:28
Herman Cain explains Libya:



Comment by wickedpam on 11/15/2011 15:36:26
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Raine:
Hey Mala, do you know if there are any of those stores around that you can have one customized T-shirt made?





we use Vistaprint when we want t-shirts made but that's online and takes about a week to get. If your looking to do something just iron on though you can get iron-on transfer paper from Michaels

Excellent. Looks like a trip to Michaels in order.



I think its near the yarn and sewing section. If they don't have it AC Moore should but I don't know where there is one down here. Oh and I think there's still a Ben Franklin at the shopping centre at Braddock and Backlick

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/15/2011 15:36:47
Quote by BobR:
Herman Cain explains Libya:






Comment by TriSec on 11/15/2011 15:42:28
Listening to the Cain statements on Libya right now (via TRMS).

Junior Senator Javier (L-MA ) would have nailed it.



Comment by BobR on 11/15/2011 15:42:30
Quote by Scoopster:
Morning all..

Well I hate to bring in sad news, but it felt appropriate for an Ask-a-Vet day. A high school classmate of mine, who served in Iraq & Afghanistan and was suffering from PTSD, committed suicide on Friday.

Oh that sucks. She's He's as much a war casualty as someone killed in action.

EDIT...

Comment by Raine on 11/15/2011 16:11:37
This tweet seems to hav gone down the twitter rabbit hole. But if anyone else has been reading, Greg Mitchell has been diligently live blogging the OWS movement. This was from -- best as I can figure 3 am in NYC -- I am going to delete the name of the tweeter, tell me what you think.


3:00 ------ tweets: "Dozens of Occupys across US raided this weekend--& now NYC- Planned & coordinated by the Dept. of Homeland Security? Did Obama give green light?"


Now I know that emotions can make people say things, but really???


Comment by wickedpam on 11/15/2011 16:23:45
Quote by Raine:
This tweet seems to hav gone down the twitter rabbit hole. But if anyone else has been reading, Greg Mitchell has been diligently live blogging the OWS movement. This was from -- best as I can figure 3 am in NYC -- I am going to delete the name of the tweeter, tell me what you think.


3:00 ------ tweets: "Dozens of Occupys across US raided this weekend--& now NYC- Planned & coordinated by the Dept. of Homeland Security? Did Obama give green light?"


Now I know that emotions can make people say things, but really???



does it sound coordiniated, its suspicious yes. But they've been going after Oakland for a while and it just keeps popping back up. I can't think what reason Obama would green light clearing these? IMO, they work in his favor and help put pressure on the repubs and who they work for

Comment by TriSec on 11/15/2011 16:27:48
They enumerated all the cities swept out overnight...it does sound like a coordinated effort to me.

Curiously...nothing happened in Boston.


Comment by wickedpam on 11/15/2011 16:30:24
Nothing has happened in DC either

Comment by Raine on 11/15/2011 16:31:20
Quote by wickedpam:
does it sound coordiniated, its suspicious yes. But they've been going after Oakland for a while and it just keeps popping back up. I can't think what reason Obama would green light clearing these? IMO, they work in his favor and help put pressure on the repubs and who they work for
It's just infuriating that this is what he really thinks.

Did anyone arrest that young man at APEC the other night? You know, he could have easily been escorted out by the Secret Service. He wasn't. Instead, he sang for 45 minutes.

Deeply disappointed in a man I admire.


Comment by Raine on 11/15/2011 16:34:14
I guess I am just getting tired of unfounded, unprovable accusations about the President. Seriously.



Comment by wickedpam on 11/15/2011 16:35:02
just a word on this dumb basketball stuff, this is how I understand it anyway-

owners offer 50/50 split of the profits

players say they want more and decided to disband their union (I don't understand that move)

people who are getting screwed the people who depend on stadium for jobs or to bring them business.

so - two parts of the 1% fight over who gets more and the 99% get screwed - :/ typical

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/15/2011 16:37:42
Quote by wickedpam:
just a word on this dumb basketball stuff, this is how I understand it anyway-

owners offer 50/50 split of the profits

players say they want more and decided to disband their union (I don't understand that move)

people who are getting screwed the people who depend on stadium for jobs or to bring them business.

so - two parts of the 1% fight over who gets more and the 99% get screwed - :/ typical



They are dispanding the union as part of a move to sue the NBA over its anti-trust exemption. I'm not sure why they need to do that, either.

Comment by wickedpam on 11/15/2011 16:38:13
Quote by Raine:
I guess I am just getting tired of unfounded, unprovable accusations about the President. Seriously.



people whine and bitch and scream it to the highest rafters if they don't get their own way - they never really hear what's going on, again that just my opinion.


Comment by Raine on 11/15/2011 16:38:52
2000 encampments were not cleared this week.

I think that kinda blows away the theory that Obama is behind this. I tire of this tinfoil stuff. Sorry guys -- I do.



Comment by Mondobubba on 11/15/2011 16:39:31
Quote by Raine:
This tweet seems to hav gone down the twitter rabbit hole. But if anyone else has been reading, Greg Mitchell has been diligently live blogging the OWS movement. This was from -- best as I can figure 3 am in NYC -- I am going to delete the name of the tweeter, tell me what you think.


3:00 ------ tweets: "Dozens of Occupys across US raided this weekend--& now NYC- Planned & coordinated by the Dept. of Homeland Security? Did Obama give green light?"


Now I know that emotions can make people say things, but really???



Hardly. Some people really don't understand the whole federal-local thing.

Comment by Raine on 11/15/2011 16:42:06
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Raine:
This tweet seems to hav gone down the twitter rabbit hole. But if anyone else has been reading, Greg Mitchell has been diligently live blogging the OWS movement. This was from -- best as I can figure 3 am in NYC -- I am going to delete the name of the tweeter, tell me what you think.


3:00 ------ tweets: "Dozens of Occupys across US raided this weekend--& now NYC- Planned & coordinated by the Dept. of Homeland Security? Did Obama give green light?"


Now I know that emotions can make people say things, but really???



Hardly. Some people really don't understand the whole federal-local thing.
That is an excellent point. and this person should know this basic stuff, even in the height of his emotion.




Comment by Raine on 11/15/2011 16:48:50
Holy keerist. Gawker has an interesting blog on not just the sandusky gorss interview -- but his LAWYER.

According to documents filed with Centre County Courthouse, Amendola served as the attorney for Mary Iavasile's emancipation petition on Sept. 3, 1996, just weeks before her 17th birthday.

Around the same time, Iavasile became pregnant with Amendola's child, and gave birth before she turned 18, her mother, Janet Iavasile, told The Daily.

He was born in 1948 and was around 49 at the time.


I'm gonna go over here in the corner and eat copious amounts of baked goods.

Comment by wickedpam on 11/15/2011 16:52:18
Quote by Raine:
Holy keerist. Gawker has an interesting blog on not just the sandusky gorss interview -- but his LAWYER.

According to documents filed with Centre County Courthouse, Amendola served as the attorney for Mary Iavasile's emancipation petition on Sept. 3, 1996, just weeks before her 17th birthday.

Around the same time, Iavasile became pregnant with Amendola's child, and gave birth before she turned 18, her mother, Janet Iavasile, told The Daily.

He was born in 1948 and was around 49 at the time.


I'm gonna go over here in the corner and eat copious amounts of baked goods.



get the cookie dough, no baking required, and I think I'll join you

Comment by Scoopster on 11/15/2011 16:53:11
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Raine:
This tweet seems to hav gone down the twitter rabbit hole. But if anyone else has been reading, Greg Mitchell has been diligently live blogging the OWS movement. This was from -- best as I can figure 3 am in NYC -- I am going to delete the name of the tweeter, tell me what you think.
3:00 ------ tweets: "Dozens of Occupys across US raided this weekend--& now NYC- Planned & coordinated by the Dept. of Homeland Security? Did Obama give green light?"

Now I know that emotions can make people say things, but really???

Hardly. Some people really don't understand the whole federal-local thing.
That is an excellent point. and this person should know this basic stuff, even in the height of his emotion.

After this stunt I wouldn't be surprised if OWS called for a general strike on NYC.

Comment by BobR on 11/15/2011 17:02:42
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Raine:
This tweet seems to hav gone down the twitter rabbit hole. But if anyone else has been reading, Greg Mitchell has been diligently live blogging the OWS movement. This was from -- best as I can figure 3 am in NYC -- I am going to delete the name of the tweeter, tell me what you think.

3:00 ------ tweets: "Dozens of Occupys across US raided this weekend--& now NYC- Planned & coordinated by the Dept. of Homeland Security? Did Obama give green light?"


Now I know that emotions can make people say things, but really???



Hardly. Some people really don't understand the whole federal-local thing.

That and this:
Quote by Raine:
2000 encampments were not cleared this week.

I think that kinda blows away the theory that Obama is behind this. I tire of this tinfoil stuff. Sorry guys -- I do.

both say to me: sorry, just a coincidence (btw - where did you get the 2000 number?)

Comment by Raine on 11/15/2011 17:20:10
Quote by BobR:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Raine:
This tweet seems to hav gone down the twitter rabbit hole. But if anyone else has been reading, Greg Mitchell has been diligently live blogging the OWS movement. This was from -- best as I can figure 3 am in NYC -- I am going to delete the name of the tweeter, tell me what you think.

3:00 ------ tweets: "Dozens of Occupys across US raided this weekend--& now NYC- Planned & coordinated by the Dept. of Homeland Security? Did Obama give green light?"


Now I know that emotions can make people say things, but really???



Hardly. Some people really don't understand the whole federal-local thing.

That and this:
Quote by Raine:
2000 encampments were not cleared this week.

I think that kinda blows away the theory that Obama is behind this. I tire of this tinfoil stuff. Sorry guys -- I do.

both say to me: sorry, just a coincidence (btw - where did you get the 2000 number?)
Katrina vanden Heuvel said 2000 during her interview with Stephanie Miller this morning.

I;m gonna have to scrounge up the google map that is pinning all the occupy sites.


Comment by Raine on 11/15/2011 17:25:12
This may take some time to load, but I got this from HuffPo.

Comment by wickedpam on 11/15/2011 17:39:25
so what's the news on OWS? there was supposed to be an 11:30 hearing

Comment by livingonli on 11/15/2011 17:43:41
Good day everyone. Was at a party last night for people who are either leaving the company through buy-outs or pending layoffs. Morale has been low in the company for years, but the departure of Fox Sports Ohio and the pending departures of Comcast SportsNet New England and Bay Area from our facility are devastating and showing how it's not the old place we knew.