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Constitution Redux... further musings
Author: BobR
Date: 02/27/2008 13:31:38
Last Saturday, TriSec posted a muse on the U.S. Constitution. I'd like to provide a "part II", and continue along the same lines, discussing some bits that I find interesting as well.
From Article 1, Section 8:
This sounds to me that Congress is given most of the foreign relations power. Yet we seem to often expect that power to reside in the presidency. In fact, the whole "foreign policy" experience issue seems to be the number one talking point this election cycle, even though the President is not granted any specific powers in that area.
Again, from Article 1, Section 8:
So the Congress is granted the power to raise an army and maintain a navy. To me it seems pretty clear that maintaining an army is unconstitutional. It also points out that Congress needs to redo the spending bills for the military at least every two years, so it's in their power to keep that from spiraling out of control. They certainly haven't done much of that controlling over the last 7 years.
Once more from Article 1, Section 8:
Compare that to the 2nd Amendment:
It seems to be even more clear that the whole "well regulated militia" part of the second amendment is key to this. This is NOT a blanket "everyone can own a gun" declaration; it is clearly a description of our modern National Guard, with the idea that the Guard would provide for the defense of the country, and would defend the people from the government should the need arise.
Finally, apropos of another important news item, from Article 1, Section 9:
"ex post facto Law" means any retroactive law, such as say - granting retroactive immunity to the telecoms? Once again the Bush Administration and its cronies are pushing for a law that is patently unconstitutional.
Despite being 200 yrs old, the U.S. Constitution is an amazing document, and despite the anachronistic linguistic stylings and verbiage, is not that hard to read and comprehend. I recommend it to everyone.
From Article 1, Section 8:
To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states...
To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin...
To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States...
To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations...
Again, from Article 1, Section 8:
To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years;
To provide and maintain a navy;
Once more from Article 1, Section 8:
To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
It seems to be even more clear that the whole "well regulated militia" part of the second amendment is key to this. This is NOT a blanket "everyone can own a gun" declaration; it is clearly a description of our modern National Guard, with the idea that the Guard would provide for the defense of the country, and would defend the people from the government should the need arise.
Finally, apropos of another important news item, from Article 1, Section 9:
No bill of attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed.
"ex post facto Law" means any retroactive law, such as say - granting retroactive immunity to the telecoms? Once again the Bush Administration and its cronies are pushing for a law that is patently unconstitutional.
Despite being 200 yrs old, the U.S. Constitution is an amazing document, and despite the anachronistic linguistic stylings and verbiage, is not that hard to read and comprehend. I recommend it to everyone.
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Comment by 
velveeta jones on 02/27/2008 13:52:33
velveeta jones on 02/27/2008 13:52:33
First? Oh goody!
Excellent post BobR. I too am awed by our Constitution. It may not be absolutely perfect, but it has served us well............... up until our current criminals.
I am still angry and confused why we cannot impeach these guys for their crimes!
I'm not sure about the 2nd Amendment, I do believe it refers to our "national guard" (well regulated militia) but I am frankly glad that we - us common folk - are able to own guns. We may one day need to protect ourselves from "ourselves".
BTW: if anyone wants a copy of the constitution, Dennis Kucinich is giving out autographed copies of the small version that he carries on him, for a contribution. He is desperate for funds!!
Excellent post BobR. I too am awed by our Constitution. It may not be absolutely perfect, but it has served us well............... up until our current criminals.
I am still angry and confused why we cannot impeach these guys for their crimes!
I'm not sure about the 2nd Amendment, I do believe it refers to our "national guard" (well regulated militia) but I am frankly glad that we - us common folk - are able to own guns. We may one day need to protect ourselves from "ourselves".
BTW: if anyone wants a copy of the constitution, Dennis Kucinich is giving out autographed copies of the small version that he carries on him, for a contribution. He is desperate for funds!!
Comment by 
livingonli on 02/27/2008 14:16:40
livingonli on 02/27/2008 14:16:40
Good morning everyone. 
Since it seems as if the Telcom immunity provision is a violation of the constitution under the prohibition of ex post facto laws, why hasn't the opposition brought it up and only a little blog seems to have noticed this little detail?
Since it seems as if the Telcom immunity provision is a violation of the constitution under the prohibition of ex post facto laws, why hasn't the opposition brought it up and only a little blog seems to have noticed this little detail?
Comment by livingonli on 02/27/2008 14:19:01
livingonli on 02/27/2008 14:19:01
I do wonder how they judge the voiting? I figured Bernie Sanders would be the furthest to the left of any Senator (followed by Feingold and B-Box).
Comment by 
Raine on 02/27/2008 14:19:28
Raine on 02/27/2008 14:19:28
Good morning. Very good post bobR
Comment by livingonli on 02/27/2008 14:21:42
livingonli on 02/27/2008 14:21:42
What is with Bill O'Reilly's obsessive hatred of George Soros?
Comment by velveeta jones on 02/27/2008 14:26:26
velveeta jones on 02/27/2008 14:26:26
For those of you are a tad 
You'll want to check out this article which claims that audio forensics scientists believe that the Robert Kennedy assassination was (also) not a lone gunman! Very interesting!
Article
Someone needs to call our TinFoil God: Jim Ward!
You'll want to check out this article which claims that audio forensics scientists believe that the Robert Kennedy assassination was (also) not a lone gunman! Very interesting!
Article
Someone needs to call our TinFoil God: Jim Ward!
Comment by Raine on 02/27/2008 14:26:48
Raine on 02/27/2008 14:26:48
Ed from chicago!
Comment by 
m-hadley on 02/27/2008 14:29:34
Mornin' Everybody :)
Good Post BobR.
Anybody know whether they voted yesterday on the telecom immunity provision of the FISA Bill (I think it was up in the House, perhaps debated in the Senate?)? Just so you all know today the Supremes will hear the Exxon Valdez case - whether the 24,000 (out of the original 30,000 - 6000 of the original claimants have died) Native fishermen and other Alaskans wil ever see the $2.5 billion that a court granted them over 14 years ago... I sure do hope that they get what they have coming to them .
For Exxon 
For Plaintiffs
Cheers,
mfaye
m-hadley on 02/27/2008 14:29:34
Quote by livingonli: I do wonder how they judge the voiting? I figured Bernie Sanders would be the furthest to the left of any Senator (followed by Feingold and B-Box).
Mornin' Everybody :)
Good Post BobR.
Anybody know whether they voted yesterday on the telecom immunity provision of the FISA Bill (I think it was up in the House, perhaps debated in the Senate?)? Just so you all know today the Supremes will hear the Exxon Valdez case - whether the 24,000 (out of the original 30,000 - 6000 of the original claimants have died) Native fishermen and other Alaskans wil ever see the $2.5 billion that a court granted them over 14 years ago... I sure do hope that they get what they have coming to them .
For Exxon For PlaintiffsCheers,
mfaye
Comment by 
TriSec on 02/27/2008 14:30:21
TriSec on 02/27/2008 14:30:21
Morning, folks! Just a quick blow-through.
Athena has re-organized again, and I'm working with our new manager this week to get her familiarized and up to speed with all our processes...
Which will cut down on my blogging time. But I suppose I could train her on 4F policy and procedures, too....
But I don't think JB would approve.
Athena has re-organized again, and I'm working with our new manager this week to get her familiarized and up to speed with all our processes...
Which will cut down on my blogging time. But I suppose I could train her on 4F policy and procedures, too....
But I don't think JB would approve.
Comment by 
BobR on 02/27/2008 14:34:21
wow - that was eye-opening...
BobR on 02/27/2008 14:34:21
Quote by velveeta jones: For those of you are a tad
You'll want to check out this article which claims that audio forensics scientists believe that the Robert Kennedy assassination was (also) not a lone gunman! Very interesting!
Article
Someone needs to call our TinFoil God: Jim Ward!
wow - that was eye-opening...
Comment by livingonli on 02/27/2008 14:34:24
Hopefully you can make some time for more eveening musings.
Does this increase the chance of you going to Maine?
livingonli on 02/27/2008 14:34:24
Quote by TriSec: Morning, folks! Just a quick blow-through.
Athena has re-organized again, and I'm working with our new manager this week to get her familiarized and up to speed with all our processes...
Which will cut down on my blogging time. But I suppose I could train her on 4F policy and procedures, too....
But I don't think JB would approve.
Hopefully you can make some time for more eveening musings.
Does this increase the chance of you going to Maine?
Comment by velveeta jones on 02/27/2008 14:35:04
velveeta jones on 02/27/2008 14:35:04
Yeah! I wouldn't have seen that sketch if one of ya'll hadn't posted it!
Comment by livingonli on 02/27/2008 14:35:54
Thom Hartmann said on yesterday's show, he's worried that corporatist judges like Roberts will rule in Exxon's favor. That's why we should worry about the future of the Supreme Court under the next administration.
livingonli on 02/27/2008 14:35:54
Quote by m-hadley:Quote by livingonli: I do wonder how they judge the voiting? I figured Bernie Sanders would be the furthest to the left of any Senator (followed by Feingold and B-Box).
Mornin' Everybody :)
Good Post BobR.
Anybody know whether they voted yesterday on the telecom immunity provision of the FISA Bill (I think it was up in the House, perhaps debated in the Senate?)? Just so you all know today the Supremes will hear the Exxon Valdez case - whether the 24,000 (out of the original 30,000 - 6000 of the original claimants have died) Native fishermen and other Alaskans wil ever see the $2.5 billion that a court granted them over 14 years ago... I sure do hope that they get what they have coming to them .
Cheers,
mfaye
Thom Hartmann said on yesterday's show, he's worried that corporatist judges like Roberts will rule in Exxon's favor. That's why we should worry about the future of the Supreme Court under the next administration.
Comment by livingonli on 02/27/2008 14:38:19
livingonli on 02/27/2008 14:38:19
A little bird told me it's Will in Chicago's birthday. 
Comment by Will in Chicago on 02/27/2008 14:40:36
Will in Chicago on 02/27/2008 14:40:36
Good morning, Bloggers!!
I hope that everyone is well today. I am taking the day off for a regular physical - and for my birthday.
I hope that everyone is well today. I am taking the day off for a regular physical - and for my birthday.
Comment by 
shelaghc on 02/27/2008 14:43:07
shelaghc on 02/27/2008 14:43:07
Hallo all
My car had currently taken up residence at my mechanic's garagee, my current temporary boss is interviewing people (I had been told I would be interviewed, but since no one seems to have scheduled me, I'm not crying pools of tears - the attitude of some of the doctors towards the people who support them is abominable), the DL Pittsburgh party last night went fantastically, I've been fortunate enough to have hitched rides with kind souls and something's brewing today that bodes well for me.
Now, if I could only work on the frickin' dictation that's been foisted on me for some unconscionable reason. There are four tapes sitting waiting for me but the headset is *so* painful I hate to have to use it.
How're all of you doing?
My car had currently taken up residence at my mechanic's garagee, my current temporary boss is interviewing people (I had been told I would be interviewed, but since no one seems to have scheduled me, I'm not crying pools of tears - the attitude of some of the doctors towards the people who support them is abominable), the DL Pittsburgh party last night went fantastically, I've been fortunate enough to have hitched rides with kind souls and something's brewing today that bodes well for me.
Now, if I could only work on the frickin' dictation that's been foisted on me for some unconscionable reason. There are four tapes sitting waiting for me but the headset is *so* painful I hate to have to use it.
How're all of you doing?
Comment by shelaghc on 02/27/2008 14:43:42
shelaghc on 02/27/2008 14:43:42
Happy Birthday Will!
Comment by BobR on 02/27/2008 14:46:16
Going to the doctor on your birthday? I hope you have other things planned as well!
:party:
BobR on 02/27/2008 14:46:16
Quote by will in chicago: Good morning, Bloggers!!
I hope that everyone is well today. I am taking the day off for a regular physical - and for my birthday.
Going to the doctor on your birthday? I hope you have other things planned as well!
:party:
Comment by 
Grumpymann on 02/27/2008 14:46:28
Happy B-Day!
Grumpymann on 02/27/2008 14:46:28
Quote by will in chicago: Good morning, Bloggers!!
I hope that everyone is well today. I am taking the day off for a regular physical - and for my birthday.
Happy B-Day!
Comment by Raine on 02/27/2008 14:48:44
Raine on 02/27/2008 14:48:44
Letter to the editor at Rolling stone Magazine:
I edited the letter as it was printed in this weeks rolling stone mag. the letter is much longer, but the message is still pretty clear, the FBI does indeed arrest people for the traits they assume are bad.
(bold face mine)
There is an old saying among reporters: The worst thing you can do to a good story is check it out. Guy Lawson ("The Fear Factory" Rolling Stone, February 7th) brings hypothetical theory to new heights. After "checking it out," Mr. Lawson simply tailored his story around any compelling facts that did not fit his original premise. [...]
Derrick Shareef, the convicted terrorist at the center of the story who Mr. Lawson frivolously described as being a "wanna-be jihadi," possessed all of the traits necessary to harm or kill innocent citizens. [...] There is no evidence that he ever wavered in his desire to murder holiday shoppers in the CherryVale Mall that day. Would he have succeeded had it not been for the diligence of the JTTF? Mr. Lawson's story suggests we should be willing to take this gamble, but he is not responsible for the outcome. No one will knock on the doors of Rolling Stone and ask why people died that day.[...]
If we have identified somebody with the intent to take lives in the name of extremism and we fail to take the appropriate action, we are ignoring our sworn mission to protect the innocent. Regardless of criticism, it is our obligation to err on the side of their safety while continuing to adhere to Constitutional protections.
John J. Miller
Assistant Director
Federal Bureau of Investigation
I edited the letter as it was printed in this weeks rolling stone mag. the letter is much longer, but the message is still pretty clear, the FBI does indeed arrest people for the traits they assume are bad.
(bold face mine)
Comment by velveeta jones on 02/27/2008 14:52:18
velveeta jones on 02/27/2008 14:52:18
Happy B-day Will!!
Comment by livingonli on 02/27/2008 14:54:02
livingonli on 02/27/2008 14:54:02
If he keeps shouting, Bill Cunningham should lose his voice.
Comment by 
wickedpam on 02/27/2008 14:54:10
wickedpam on 02/27/2008 14:54:10
Morning! :hug:
Happy B-Day Will!
Happy B-Day Will!
Comment by Raine on 02/27/2008 14:56:35
:dance2::dance::party:Happy Birthday will!!!:party: 
Raine on 02/27/2008 14:56:35
Comment by BobR on 02/27/2008 15:02:34
Like voice, like mind...
BobR on 02/27/2008 15:02:34
Quote by livingonli: If he keeps shouting, Bill Cunningham should lose his voice.
Like voice, like mind...
Comment by Will in Chicago on 02/27/2008 15:06:54
Will in Chicago on 02/27/2008 15:06:54
So, if we keep on hearing conservatives use Barack HUSSEIN Obama, can we just refer to the Republican candidate as Senator John SIDNEY McCain?
Comment by Grumpymann on 02/27/2008 15:07:59
How about
?
Grumpymann on 02/27/2008 15:07:59
Quote by will in chicago: So, if we keep on hearing conservatives use Barack HUSSEIN Obama, can we just refer to the Republican candidate as Senator John SIDNEY McCain?
How about
?
Comment by Raine on 02/27/2008 15:08:24
Raine on 02/27/2008 15:08:24
Yippy kayo yie ayy!!!!!!! :party:
Comment by livingonli on 02/27/2008 15:09:41
I think his mind is already gone, if he ever had one.
livingonli on 02/27/2008 15:09:41
Quote by BobR:Quote by livingonli: If he keeps shouting, Bill Cunningham should lose his voice.
Like voice, like mind...
I think his mind is already gone, if he ever had one.
Comment by wickedpam on 02/27/2008 15:10:41
Only if you yell it.
wickedpam on 02/27/2008 15:10:41
Quote by will in chicago: So, if we keep on hearing conservatives use Barack HUSSEIN Obama, can we just refer to the Republican candidate as Senator John SIDNEY McCain?
Only if you yell it.
Comment by m-hadley on 02/27/2008 15:16:19
Happy Happy Birthday Will - I hope you celebrate in a more festive way after you see the doctor.
Cheers,
mfaye
m-hadley on 02/27/2008 15:16:19
Quote by will in chicago: Good morning, Bloggers!!
I hope that everyone is well today. I am taking the day off for a regular physical - and for my birthday.
Happy Happy Birthday Will - I hope you celebrate in a more festive way after you see the doctor.
Cheers,
mfaye
Comment by m-hadley on 02/27/2008 15:17:54
Don't forget about McCain's wife - Cindy LOU (Who?) Hensley McCain :)
m-hadley on 02/27/2008 15:17:54
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by will in chicago: So, if we keep on hearing conservatives use Barack HUSSEIN Obama, can we just refer to the Republican candidate as Senator John SIDNEY McCain?
Only if you yell it.
Don't forget about McCain's wife - Cindy LOU (Who?) Hensley McCain :)
Comment by Grumpymann on 02/27/2008 15:18:25
Grumpymann on 02/27/2008 15:18:25
Kim Il.....
Comment by Raine on 02/27/2008 15:19:56
Raine on 02/27/2008 15:19:56
McCain is such a liar. He didn't repudiate anything when a supporter called hillary a bich to his face.
Comment by Grumpymann on 02/27/2008 15:20:25
Grumpymann on 02/27/2008 15:20:25
This is why I do not speak for anyone but myself.
I rude, crude and I take no shit.
That is not the way a "Group" or a person should talk in public.
I rude, crude and I take no shit.
That is not the way a "Group" or a person should talk in public.
Comment by BobR on 02/27/2008 15:21:12
With an IQ of no more than two!
BobR on 02/27/2008 15:21:12
Quote by m-hadley:
Don't forget about McCain's wife - Cindy LOU (Who?) Hensley McCain :)
With an IQ of no more than two!
Comment by Grumpymann on 02/27/2008 15:23:13
Don't you DARE bring THAT up that's so a few months ago!
"Anchant History!"
But Clinton gota blow job and lied about it!
[/RightWingNutJob Rant]
Grumpymann on 02/27/2008 15:23:13
Quote by Raine: McCain is such a liar. He didn't repudiate anything when a supporter called hillary a bich to his face.
Don't you DARE bring THAT up that's so a few months ago!
"Anchant History!"
But Clinton gota blow job and lied about it!
[/RightWingNutJob Rant]
Comment by 
starling310 on 02/27/2008 15:26:02
starling310 on 02/27/2008 15:26:02
"I'm a young soul in this very strange world. . . la, la, la, la. . . . " 
Comment by wickedpam on 02/27/2008 15:28:09
wickedpam on 02/27/2008 15:28:09
Question -
About 6-7 months ago the townhouse next store to me was sold. In the past 6-7 months we have had about every 3 months 2-3 people move in and out. Any suggestions on what to do?
About 6-7 months ago the townhouse next store to me was sold. In the past 6-7 months we have had about every 3 months 2-3 people move in and out. Any suggestions on what to do?
Comment by starling310 on 02/27/2008 15:30:18
Happy Birthday Will!
starling310 on 02/27/2008 15:30:18
Comment by livingonli on 02/27/2008 15:31:29
Sounds like more people who can't afford homes.
livingonli on 02/27/2008 15:31:29
Quote by wickedpam: Question -
About 6-7 months ago the townhouse next store to me was sold. In the past 6-7 months we have had about every 3 months 2-3 people move in and out. Any suggestions on what to do?
Sounds like more people who can't afford homes.
Comment by starling310 on 02/27/2008 15:31:34
starling310 on 02/27/2008 15:31:34
: GREEN960 commercial break promo : : leave it to beaver-esque music : : female voice over : "Stay tuned for more with Momma and the Mooks on Green 960."
Comment by Grumpymann on 02/27/2008 15:32:00
Grumpymann on 02/27/2008 15:32:00
Gas prices get much higher I might not be able to go to the blog meet up! 
Comment by wickedpam on 02/27/2008 15:34:27
We're thinking its being used as a transit home. Plus they always move in and out in the middle of the night. Last night I had to tell them to keep it down cause they kept banging stuff against the wall and Mom couldn't sleep.
wickedpam on 02/27/2008 15:34:27
Quote by livingonli:Quote by wickedpam: Question -
About 6-7 months ago the townhouse next store to me was sold. In the past 6-7 months we have had about every 3 months 2-3 people move in and out. Any suggestions on what to do?
Sounds like more people who can't afford homes.
We're thinking its being used as a transit home. Plus they always move in and out in the middle of the night. Last night I had to tell them to keep it down cause they kept banging stuff against the wall and Mom couldn't sleep.
Comment by Raine on 02/27/2008 15:35:05
Don't you have a neighborhood association?
Is he house being rented out?
Raine on 02/27/2008 15:35:05
Quote by wickedpam: Question -
About 6-7 months ago the townhouse next store to me was sold. In the past 6-7 months we have had about every 3 months 2-3 people move in and out. Any suggestions on what to do?
Is he house being rented out?
Comment by wickedpam on 02/27/2008 15:35:42
What are prince in PA - inside the beltway here they are about 3.14. In my area, outside the beltway, it's about 3.07
wickedpam on 02/27/2008 15:35:42
Quote by Grumpymann: Gas prices get much higher I might not be able to go to the blog meet up!
What are prince in PA - inside the beltway here they are about 3.14. In my area, outside the beltway, it's about 3.07
Comment by Grumpymann on 02/27/2008 15:36:17
Is it being rented out?
2 to 3 months? do they even unpack?
Grumpymann on 02/27/2008 15:36:17
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by livingonli:Quote by wickedpam: Question -
About 6-7 months ago the townhouse next store to me was sold. In the past 6-7 months we have had about every 3 months 2-3 people move in and out. Any suggestions on what to do?
Sounds like more people who can't afford homes.
We're thinking its being used as a transit home. Plus they always move in and out in the middle of the night. Last night I had to tell them to keep it down cause they kept banging stuff against the wall and Mom couldn't sleep.
Is it being rented out?
2 to 3 months? do they even unpack?
Comment by Raine on 02/27/2008 15:36:28
Raine on 02/27/2008 15:36:28
Sounds like you are onto something there Mala. Seriously, if they are disturbing the peace, as it were it would not be wrong to call the police.
Have you had a chance to talk to any of these people?
Have you had a chance to talk to any of these people?
Comment by starling310 on 02/27/2008 15:37:10
The 3 stations near my house. . . 3.26, 3.26, and 3.24.
:thud:
starling310 on 02/27/2008 15:37:10
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Grumpymann: Gas prices get much higher I might not be able to go to the blog meet up!
What are prince in PA - inside the beltway here they are about 3.14. In my area, outside the beltway, it's about 3.07
The 3 stations near my house. . . 3.26, 3.26, and 3.24.
:thud:
Comment by Grumpymann on 02/27/2008 15:38:15
3.20 ish
That is just too much!
Grumpymann on 02/27/2008 15:38:15
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Grumpymann: Gas prices get much higher I might not be able to go to the blog meet up!
What are prince in PA - inside the beltway here they are about 3.14. In my area, outside the beltway, it's about 3.07
3.20 ish
That is just too much!
Comment by wickedpam on 02/27/2008 15:40:00
We have a do nothing BOD for an HOA, especailly when it comes to me. It's still being headed up by the not so nice "reverand" who hates me.
We diffenetly think it's being rented to more then one family at a time. There are times when people overlap there time there.
There is a Overcrowding Complaint line, but so far it's not over crowding it's just running the place down. Mom wants to report them to the "save Manassas" group but I think that's just nothing but a bunch of racists and I won't do it.
I just don't know how to handle the situation.
wickedpam on 02/27/2008 15:40:00
Quote by Raine:Don't you have a neighborhood association?Quote by wickedpam: Question -
About 6-7 months ago the townhouse next store to me was sold. In the past 6-7 months we have had about every 3 months 2-3 people move in and out. Any suggestions on what to do?
Is he house being rented out?
We have a do nothing BOD for an HOA, especailly when it comes to me. It's still being headed up by the not so nice "reverand" who hates me.
We diffenetly think it's being rented to more then one family at a time. There are times when people overlap there time there.
There is a Overcrowding Complaint line, but so far it's not over crowding it's just running the place down. Mom wants to report them to the "save Manassas" group but I think that's just nothing but a bunch of racists and I won't do it.
I just don't know how to handle the situation.
Comment by Raine on 02/27/2008 15:40:28
Raine on 02/27/2008 15:40:28
caller is not making ANY sense.
Comment by starling310 on 02/27/2008 15:40:50
starling310 on 02/27/2008 15:40:50
: caller : 
Comment by livingonli on 02/27/2008 15:43:04
livingonli on 02/27/2008 15:43:04
Gas by me is around $3.20 a gallon but it seems like the ExxonMobil stations are almost always 10 cents higher than the other stations in the area.
Comment by wickedpam on 02/27/2008 15:43:12
They aren't disturbing the peace, expect when moving.
It's not been the same people so I never know who I've met and who I haven't. Can't really hold lengthy conversations with them, don't know that they have that much English under their belts. Other then that the people I have met seem nice. We exchanges good mornings/evening and hellos.
wickedpam on 02/27/2008 15:43:12
Quote by Raine: Sounds like you are onto something there Mala. Seriously, if they are disturbing the peace, as it were it would not be wrong to call the police.
Have you had a chance to talk to any of these people?
They aren't disturbing the peace, expect when moving.
It's not been the same people so I never know who I've met and who I haven't. Can't really hold lengthy conversations with them, don't know that they have that much English under their belts. Other then that the people I have met seem nice. We exchanges good mornings/evening and hellos.
Comment by Grumpymann on 02/27/2008 15:44:26
Grumpymann on 02/27/2008 15:44:26
The ChimpyMcBush Show treated the press like petulant children. And they LOVED them.
That is something I see about people on the right. the worst they are treated like ABOVE them the better they love them. And sense they can't be mad at then they treat others like shit.
That is something I see about people on the right. the worst they are treated like ABOVE them the better they love them. And sense they can't be mad at then they treat others like shit.
Comment by wickedpam on 02/27/2008 15:45:03
Not really sure, I never see boxes. Just beds and stuffed black trash bags which always seems weird to me. I mean a pair of suitcases at Target's only about $60 and would be much better for their stuff then a Hefty
wickedpam on 02/27/2008 15:45:03
Quote by Grumpymann:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by livingonli:Quote by wickedpam: Question -
About 6-7 months ago the townhouse next store to me was sold. In the past 6-7 months we have had about every 3 months 2-3 people move in and out. Any suggestions on what to do?
Sounds like more people who can't afford homes.
We're thinking its being used as a transit home. Plus they always move in and out in the middle of the night. Last night I had to tell them to keep it down cause they kept banging stuff against the wall and Mom couldn't sleep.
Is it being rented out?
2 to 3 months? do they even unpack?
Not really sure, I never see boxes. Just beds and stuffed black trash bags which always seems weird to me. I mean a pair of suitcases at Target's only about $60 and would be much better for their stuff then a Hefty
Comment by wickedpam on 02/27/2008 15:45:46
wickedpam on 02/27/2008 15:45:46
Sounds like we have the cheaper gas right now - who would have thought that!
Comment by Raine on 02/27/2008 15:49:03
Raine on 02/27/2008 15:49:03
Mala, In your area, are you allowed to sublet out homes? I see where you are going with this and I unserstand the trepidation. HOWEVER, if it is a transit house, I think that is a serious problem. being that you can only suppose, I thik that it might be better for you to try to find some kind of group that can assist you in thisissue. PErhaps there is a non prfit that actually helps people who may be undocumented in your area. You may want to contact them as opposed to this racist group you mentioned and express your concerns.
if it is a tranist house, I fear there may be more things going on there that go way beyond the fact that they are mexican. it isn't about being mexican or even possibly being undocumented, it is about trafficking people.
if it is a tranist house, I fear there may be more things going on there that go way beyond the fact that they are mexican. it isn't about being mexican or even possibly being undocumented, it is about trafficking people.
Comment by starling310 on 02/27/2008 15:49:16
Mmm...that's never a good sign.
: david spade :
"Oh, that has to be you. You spray that thing for bugs?"
starling310 on 02/27/2008 15:49:16
Quote by wickedpam:
. . .stuffed black trash bags. . .
Mmm...that's never a good sign.
: david spade :
"Oh, that has to be you. You spray that thing for bugs?"
Comment by Raine on 02/27/2008 15:50:19
And yes, I made an assuption that these people may be Mexican. I apologize for that, ny point is that it should not matter what language they speak.
Raine on 02/27/2008 15:50:19
Quote by Raine: Mala, In your area, are you allowed to sublet out homes? I see where you are going with this and I unserstand the trepidation. HOWEVER, if it is a transit house, I think that is a serious problem. being that you can only suppose, I thik that it might be better for you to try to find some kind of group that can assist you in thisissue. PErhaps there is a non prfit that actually helps people who may be undocumented in your area. You may want to contact them as opposed to this racist group you mentioned and express your concerns.
if it is a tranist house, I fear there may be more things going on there that go way beyond the fact that they are mexican. it isn't about being mexican or even possibly being undocumented, it is about trafficking people.
And yes, I made an assuption that these people may be Mexican. I apologize for that, ny point is that it should not matter what language they speak.
Comment by starling310 on 02/27/2008 15:56:57
starling310 on 02/27/2008 15:56:57
Quote by Raine:
And yes, I made an assuption that these people may be Mexican.
Comment by wickedpam on 02/27/2008 15:57:25
Around here they would more then likely be El Salvadorian. I understand what your saying though.
I was searching on the cities website and found something called Neighborhood Services, they say there mission statement is to foster good community relations. I think I might start there and see what they say.
That's for talking this out with me guys! It's such a fine line to walk. I mean I don't want to be Gladys Cravits but if I don't keep up with the homes and know what's going on it's not going to reflect well on my home. did that make sense?
wickedpam on 02/27/2008 15:57:25
Quote by Raine:Quote by Raine: Mala, In your area, are you allowed to sublet out homes? I see where you are going with this and I unserstand the trepidation. HOWEVER, if it is a transit house, I think that is a serious problem. being that you can only suppose, I thik that it might be better for you to try to find some kind of group that can assist you in thisissue. PErhaps there is a non prfit that actually helps people who may be undocumented in your area. You may want to contact them as opposed to this racist group you mentioned and express your concerns.
if it is a tranist house, I fear there may be more things going on there that go way beyond the fact that they are mexican. it isn't about being mexican or even possibly being undocumented, it is about trafficking people.
And yes, I made an assuption that these people may be Mexican. I apologize for that, ny point is that it should not matter what language they speak.
Around here they would more then likely be El Salvadorian. I understand what your saying though.
I was searching on the cities website and found something called Neighborhood Services, they say there mission statement is to foster good community relations. I think I might start there and see what they say.
That's for talking this out with me guys! It's such a fine line to walk. I mean I don't want to be Gladys Cravits but if I don't keep up with the homes and know what's going on it's not going to reflect well on my home. did that make sense?
Comment by starling310 on 02/27/2008 15:59:57
starling310 on 02/27/2008 15:59:57
Quote by wickedpam:
That's for talking this out with me guys! It's such a fine line to walk. I mean I don't want to be Gladys Cravits but if I don't keep up with the homes and know what's going on it's not going to reflect well on my home. did that make sense?
Comment by livingonli on 02/27/2008 16:02:52
Abner, Abner. Something is floating over the Stephens' house.
livingonli on 02/27/2008 16:02:52
Quote by starling310:Quote by wickedpam:
That's for talking this out with me guys! It's such a fine line to walk. I mean I don't want to be Gladys Cravits but if I don't keep up with the homes and know what's going on it's not going to reflect well on my home. did that make sense?
<---- Mala
Abner, Abner. Something is floating over the Stephens' house.
Comment by wickedpam on 02/27/2008 16:02:57
:rofl:
wickedpam on 02/27/2008 16:02:57
Quote by starling310:Quote by wickedpam:
That's for talking this out with me guys! It's such a fine line to walk. I mean I don't want to be Gladys Cravits but if I don't keep up with the homes and know what's going on it's not going to reflect well on my home. did that make sense?
<---- Mala
:rofl:
Comment by Raine on 02/27/2008 16:07:18
Raine on 02/27/2008 16:07:18
IT makes perfect sense to me Mala. More people need to participate in thier communities. And in doing so it does reflect on our own homes.
I could not care less who lives next door to me if I know that they are participating and not breaking the law. I have been having a similar situation with a house next door to me. IT is one of those infill houses -- IE a McMansion. (ugly as all hell)
The man has not followed our watering restrictions(at one point he was stealing our water having the workers come into our yard and fill 5 gallon buckets and then by putting the hose over the fence!) has claimed the property I rent partly is his, he has tried to tear down trees that is against the law, it has been awful. Each time I questioned him, he has treatened to take me to court and sue me. IT has been very nasty. Just the other day I saw him trying to tear down a tree with a truck and a rope. I asked him if he had a permit to do that (after he asked me from his yard why I was looking at him and that is should not look and mind my own business -- for the record, I was talking to my apt. neighbor at the time) Any way, he said it was none of my business to question what he does on his own property.. Guess what?
It is my business when I see people breaking the law. I may be a gladys kravitz, but I don't care. Too long I have seem the effects of people doing nothing.
I could not care less who lives next door to me if I know that they are participating and not breaking the law. I have been having a similar situation with a house next door to me. IT is one of those infill houses -- IE a McMansion. (ugly as all hell)
The man has not followed our watering restrictions(at one point he was stealing our water having the workers come into our yard and fill 5 gallon buckets and then by putting the hose over the fence!) has claimed the property I rent partly is his, he has tried to tear down trees that is against the law, it has been awful. Each time I questioned him, he has treatened to take me to court and sue me. IT has been very nasty. Just the other day I saw him trying to tear down a tree with a truck and a rope. I asked him if he had a permit to do that (after he asked me from his yard why I was looking at him and that is should not look and mind my own business -- for the record, I was talking to my apt. neighbor at the time) Any way, he said it was none of my business to question what he does on his own property.. Guess what?
It is my business when I see people breaking the law. I may be a gladys kravitz, but I don't care. Too long I have seem the effects of people doing nothing.
Comment by Raine on 02/27/2008 16:08:56
:rofl:
Raine on 02/27/2008 16:08:56
Quote by starling310:Quote by wickedpam:
That's for talking this out with me guys! It's such a fine line to walk. I mean I don't want to be Gladys Cravits but if I don't keep up with the homes and know what's going on it's not going to reflect well on my home. did that make sense?
<---- Mala
Comment by Raine on 02/27/2008 16:11:28
I am sorry.
Perhaps I could have stated it more gently by saying that they weren't what? I hate saying illegals, I hate saying non americans... I hate the whole thing.
I did not want to automatically assume that this was an immigrant issue, and my point was that it should not matter if it a transit house.
I am sorry.
Raine on 02/27/2008 16:11:28
Quote by starling310:Quote by Raine:
And yes, I made an assuption that these people may be Mexican.
Perhaps I could have stated it more gently by saying that they weren't what? I hate saying illegals, I hate saying non americans... I hate the whole thing.
I did not want to automatically assume that this was an immigrant issue, and my point was that it should not matter if it a transit house.
I am sorry.
Comment by starling310 on 02/27/2008 16:12:33
Quite alright. I just wanted an excuse to "assspank" you.
starling310 on 02/27/2008 16:12:33
Quote by Raine:I am sorry.Quote by starling310:Quote by Raine:
And yes, I made an assuption that these people may be Mexican.
Perhaps I could have stated it more gently by saying that they weren't what? I hate saying illegals, I hate saying non americans... I hate the whole thing.
I did not want to automatically assume that this was an immigrant issue, and my point was that it should not matter if it a transit house.
I am sorry.
Quite alright. I just wanted an excuse to "assspank" you.
Comment by starling310 on 02/27/2008 16:13:13
starling310 on 02/27/2008 16:13:13
Is Ron Paul still in? 
Comment by Raine on 02/27/2008 16:16:17
Yes, kinda. He isn't really campaigning tho.
From what I understand, he is in the same bind as Dennis as he needs to defend his congressional seat.
Raine on 02/27/2008 16:16:17
Quote by starling310: Is Ron Paul still in?
Yes, kinda. He isn't really campaigning tho.
From what I understand, he is in the same bind as Dennis as he needs to defend his congressional seat.
Comment by Raine on 02/27/2008 16:17:00
Raine on 02/27/2008 16:17:00
I always like a nice :asspank: :P
Comment by Raine on 02/27/2008 16:20:43
Raine on 02/27/2008 16:20:43
:rofl: the Larry Craig Story!!! :rofl:
Comment by starling310 on 02/27/2008 16:22:49
starling310 on 02/27/2008 16:22:49
" Let me be clear. I AM NOT GAY! I HAVE NEVER BEEN GAY!"
:rofl:
Oh...it never gets old.
:rofl:
Oh...it never gets old.
Comment by wickedpam on 02/27/2008 16:23:12
Gawd! He must be related by my back yard neighbor who treats the common areas as his own personal dirt bike track. The noise and smell is horrible, some days I can't even sit in the back yard, and they've destroyed the grass in that area. When I asked them to go somewhere else cause it was so loud and the gas fumes were getting into my home they told me to go to hell.
wickedpam on 02/27/2008 16:23:12
Quote by Raine: IT makes perfect sense to me Mala. More people need to participate in thier communities. And in doing so it does reflect on our own homes.
I could not care less who lives next door to me if I know that they are participating and not breaking the law. I have been having a similar situation with a house next door to me. IT is one of those infill houses -- IE a McMansion. (ugly as all hell)
The man has not followed our watering restrictions(at one point he was stealing our water having the workers come into our yard and fill 5 gallon buckets and then by putting the hose over the fence!) has claimed the property I rent partly is his, he has tried to tear down trees that is against the law, it has been awful. Each time I questioned him, he has treatened to take me to court and sue me. IT has been very nasty. Just the other day I saw him trying to tear down a tree with a truck and a rope. I asked him if he had a permit to do that (after he asked me from his yard why I was looking at him and that is should not look and mind my own business -- for the record, I was talking to my apt. neighbor at the time) Any way, he said it was none of my business to question what he does on his own property.. Guess what?
It is my business when I see people breaking the law. I may be a gladys kravitz, but I don't care. Too long I have seem the effects of people doing nothing.
Gawd! He must be related by my back yard neighbor who treats the common areas as his own personal dirt bike track. The noise and smell is horrible, some days I can't even sit in the back yard, and they've destroyed the grass in that area. When I asked them to go somewhere else cause it was so loud and the gas fumes were getting into my home they told me to go to hell.
Comment by wickedpam on 02/27/2008 16:23:53
I'm guessing yes, since there are Ron Paul signs all over the place here.
wickedpam on 02/27/2008 16:23:53
Quote by starling310: Is Ron Paul still in?
I'm guessing yes, since there are Ron Paul signs all over the place here.
Comment by TriSec on 02/27/2008 16:26:12
TriSec on 02/27/2008 16:26:12
Morning training is over; I'm back in the race!
Listening to last week's Ring of Fire right now, with Pap interviewing Mike Gravel of Alaska, and Al Franken coming up in a bit.
:peace:
Listening to last week's Ring of Fire right now, with Pap interviewing Mike Gravel of Alaska, and Al Franken coming up in a bit.
:peace:
Comment by Raine on 02/27/2008 16:29:35
Raine on 02/27/2008 16:29:35
Welcome back Sir TriSec!
Comment by TriSec on 02/27/2008 16:29:49
TriSec on 02/27/2008 16:29:49
: skimming below :
Sheesh, between my absentee landlord, and the "neighbor incidents" going on, what the hell is going on around here?
Why don't we all go off and form a commune or something. I can telecommute...
And WP, the community policing officer has advised our tenant's association...no matter how minor the offense, if it's a nuisance, call it in. You shouldn't have to deal with enforcing the law; that's what the PD is for.
We've got drugs, gangs, and Section 8 (and most of the unfortunate stereotypes are true, regrettably) moving in to our neighborhood these days.
Sheesh, between my absentee landlord, and the "neighbor incidents" going on, what the hell is going on around here?
Why don't we all go off and form a commune or something. I can telecommute...
And WP, the community policing officer has advised our tenant's association...no matter how minor the offense, if it's a nuisance, call it in. You shouldn't have to deal with enforcing the law; that's what the PD is for.
We've got drugs, gangs, and Section 8 (and most of the unfortunate stereotypes are true, regrettably) moving in to our neighborhood these days.
Comment by starling310 on 02/27/2008 16:30:08
starling310 on 02/27/2008 16:30:08
"But'cha are Blanche. . . You are in that chair."
Comment by TriSec on 02/27/2008 16:31:56
TriSec on 02/27/2008 16:31:56
Candidate Ron Paul
From his website, at least...it still looks like a viable campaign. I checked myself yesterday, he has not moved towards dropping out. I have no information on any challenge he may be facing for his seat in Texas.
From his website, at least...it still looks like a viable campaign. I checked myself yesterday, he has not moved towards dropping out. I have no information on any challenge he may be facing for his seat in Texas.
Comment by livingonli on 02/27/2008 16:39:00
livingonli on 02/27/2008 16:39:00
I remember someone posted a link to an island in the Bahamas for sale, and I think it was suggested we should go in on that (well, if we had the money anyway) and form our own community.
I would handle the TV service of course.
I would handle the TV service of course.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 02/27/2008 16:40:40
Yes, having dinner with my Mom and sister and then driving all the way down to Urbana-Champaign for a job fair tomorrow morning.
Will in Chicago on 02/27/2008 16:40:40
Quote by BobR:Quote by will in chicago: Good morning, Bloggers!!
I hope that everyone is well today. I am taking the day off for a regular physical - and for my birthday.
Going to the doctor on your birthday? I hope you have other things planned as well!
:party:
Yes, having dinner with my Mom and sister and then driving all the way down to Urbana-Champaign for a job fair tomorrow morning.
Comment by wickedpam on 02/27/2008 16:48:31
I know, ours have said that too - I just don't have a desire to make someone's life harder then it is, especially if I don't know the circumstances. It's such as difficult call to make these days. Plus karma's a bitch.
wickedpam on 02/27/2008 16:48:31
Quote by TriSec: : skimming below :
Sheesh, between my absentee landlord, and the "neighbor incidents" going on, what the hell is going on around here?
Why don't we all go off and form a commune or something. I can telecommute...
And WP, the community policing officer has advised our tenant's association...no matter how minor the offense, if it's a nuisance, call it in. You shouldn't have to deal with enforcing the law; that's what the PD is for.
We've got drugs, gangs, and Section 8 (and most of the unfortunate stereotypes are true, regrettably) moving in to our neighborhood these days.
I know, ours have said that too - I just don't have a desire to make someone's life harder then it is, especially if I don't know the circumstances. It's such as difficult call to make these days. Plus karma's a bitch.
Comment by wickedpam on 02/27/2008 16:49:04
That was me - I thought we needed our own island :D
wickedpam on 02/27/2008 16:49:04
Quote by livingonli: I remember someone posted a link to an island in the Bahamas for sale, and I think it was suggested we should go in on that (well, if we had the money anyway) and form our own community.
I would handle the TV service of course.
That was me - I thought we needed our own island :D
Comment by m-hadley on 02/27/2008 16:51:14
I think so, he has plenty of moolah... :wacko:
cheers,
mfaye
m-hadley on 02/27/2008 16:51:14
Quote by starling310: Is Ron Paul still in?
I think so, he has plenty of moolah... :wacko:
cheers,
mfaye
Comment by Raine on 02/27/2008 16:51:31
Raine on 02/27/2008 16:51:31
This is interesting point caller is making.
Voting FOR a candidate as opposed to voting against the other one. Very nicely put.
Voting FOR a candidate as opposed to voting against the other one. Very nicely put.
Comment by livingonli on 02/27/2008 16:51:42
Not a bad idea.
livingonli on 02/27/2008 16:51:42
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by livingonli: I remember someone posted a link to an island in the Bahamas for sale, and I think it was suggested we should go in on that (well, if we had the money anyway) and form our own community.
I would handle the TV service of course.
That was me - I thought we needed our own island :D
Not a bad idea.
Comment by livingonli on 02/27/2008 16:52:42
I am tired of voting for the lesser of two evils myself.
livingonli on 02/27/2008 16:52:42
Quote by Raine: This is interesting point caller is making.
Voting FOR a candidate as opposed to voting against the other one. Very nicely put.
I am tired of voting for the lesser of two evils myself.
Comment by TriSec on 02/27/2008 16:58:29
Ah, I've long given up my "live and let live" attitude in my neighborhood. If you're pissing me off, damn right I'm calling you on it. But that's just me. I just had a neighbor's truck towed because he was parking it illegally and it was leaking oil.
I'm Home Properties worst nightmare, a long-term resident that remembers what the neighborhood was before they came.
There's a scout saying that's apropo in this area...
"Let no one say, and say it to your shame, that all here was beauty before you came."
TriSec on 02/27/2008 16:58:29
Quote by wickedpam:
I know, ours have said that too - I just don't have a desire to make someone's life harder then it is, especially if I don't know the circumstances. It's such as difficult call to make these days. Plus karma's a bitch.
Ah, I've long given up my "live and let live" attitude in my neighborhood. If you're pissing me off, damn right I'm calling you on it. But that's just me. I just had a neighbor's truck towed because he was parking it illegally and it was leaking oil.
I'm Home Properties worst nightmare, a long-term resident that remembers what the neighborhood was before they came.
There's a scout saying that's apropo in this area...
"Let no one say, and say it to your shame, that all here was beauty before you came."
Comment by TriSec on 02/27/2008 17:07:22
TriSec on 02/27/2008 17:07:22
A question for the assembled wisdom present in this blog:
Is it bad to refer to members of my own staff as "mooks"?
Is it bad to refer to members of my own staff as "mooks"?
Comment by Will in Chicago on 02/27/2008 17:08:16
Will in Chicago on 02/27/2008 17:08:16
I just heard on the radio that William F. Buckley dies at the age of 82. While I disagreed with the man on many issues, he at least
Comment by livingonli on 02/27/2008 17:13:53
I think you forgot to finish.
I wonder if this means the conservative movement dies with him.
livingonli on 02/27/2008 17:13:53
Quote by will in chicago: I just heard on the radio that William F. Buckley dies at the age of 82. While I disagreed with the man on many issues, he at least
I think you forgot to finish.
I wonder if this means the conservative movement dies with him.
Comment by Raine on 02/27/2008 17:13:56
Raine on 02/27/2008 17:13:56
Ahhh, I love Laura.
Comment by wickedpam on 02/27/2008 17:16:34
I think it depends on tone.
wickedpam on 02/27/2008 17:16:34
Quote by TriSec: A question for the assembled wisdom present in this blog:
Is it bad to refer to members of my own staff as "mooks"?
I think it depends on tone.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 02/27/2008 17:21:17
You are right. I should have wrote "he at least acted better in his latter years than some of his heirs in the conservative movement. You could hold a civil discussion with Buckley that you could never have with Michael Savage."
The conservative movement may outlive Buckley, but it had everything - the White House, the Senate, and the House of Representatives - and seems to have produced NOTHING of lasting value to most Americans.
Will in Chicago on 02/27/2008 17:21:17
Quote by livingonli:Quote by will in chicago: I just heard on the radio that William F. Buckley dies at the age of 82. While I disagreed with the man on many issues, he at least
I think you forgot to finish.
I wonder if this means the conservative movement dies with him.
You are right. I should have wrote "he at least acted better in his latter years than some of his heirs in the conservative movement. You could hold a civil discussion with Buckley that you could never have with Michael Savage."
The conservative movement may outlive Buckley, but it had everything - the White House, the Senate, and the House of Representatives - and seems to have produced NOTHING of lasting value to most Americans.
Comment by livingonli on 02/27/2008 17:29:56
I miss the old weekend shows. The blog for the show still lives on, though even if not on the Air America site.
livingonli on 02/27/2008 17:29:56
Quote by Raine: Ahhh, I love Laura.
I miss the old weekend shows. The blog for the show still lives on, though even if not on the Air America site.
Comment by TriSec on 02/27/2008 17:53:57
TriSec on 02/27/2008 17:53:57
Say, I never updated everyone on my round 2 interview yesterday...
This was with the hiring director (there's two other managers I could meet with yet.)
I think this one was far more substantive than when I met the VP; I tried really hard to play up my training and documentation skills, which are going to be badly needed up there. I'm also glad that I have close contacts with folks on one of the teams that's moving up there. I trained one of them when she was hired last year, so I have more than a passing familiarity with the ops that are moving to Maine...
Still waiting to hear back on next steps. But this is still on track!
(Mrs. TriSec still needs to drink the kool-aid, though. She's only watched me mix it but hasn't tried any yet.)
This was with the hiring director (there's two other managers I could meet with yet.)
I think this one was far more substantive than when I met the VP; I tried really hard to play up my training and documentation skills, which are going to be badly needed up there. I'm also glad that I have close contacts with folks on one of the teams that's moving up there. I trained one of them when she was hired last year, so I have more than a passing familiarity with the ops that are moving to Maine...
Still waiting to hear back on next steps. But this is still on track!
(Mrs. TriSec still needs to drink the kool-aid, though. She's only watched me mix it but hasn't tried any yet.)
Comment by velveeta jones on 02/27/2008 17:56:48
velveeta jones on 02/27/2008 17:56:48
So, I just read the blog on the WaPo about Larry Craig and the intern applicants. Let me get this "straight" the blogger is equating being a closeted gay man with a wide stance problem as also being a pedophile? Has there ever been any accusation that he's a child molester, or, does she just figure that all gays are perverts?
Comment by velveeta jones on 02/27/2008 17:59:39
velveeta jones on 02/27/2008 17:59:39
Off to the (organic) salt mines.
See ya's later.
See ya's later.
Comment by livingonli on 02/27/2008 18:11:34
livingonli on 02/27/2008 18:11:34
Have fun, VJ.
Comment by TriSec on 02/27/2008 18:39:55
Wha? But Fox says so! They can't possibly be wrong about something like that, could they?
I'm more worried about my priest than my gay friend having anything to do with little boys...
TriSec on 02/27/2008 18:39:55
does she just figure that all gays are perverts?
Wha? But Fox says so! They can't possibly be wrong about something like that, could they?
I'm more worried about my priest than my gay friend having anything to do with little boys...
Comment by Raine on 02/27/2008 19:12:47
Raine on 02/27/2008 19:12:47
The key that LAura flanders is really bringing home is how entrenched Hillary is in the DLC. THAT is the biggest issue that no one really wants to talk about.
Comment by livingonli on 02/27/2008 20:08:18
That's the main reason I can't support her.
And not it's time for the Sammy Cam.
livingonli on 02/27/2008 20:08:18
Quote by Raine: The key that LAura flanders is really bringing home is how entrenched Hillary is in the DLC. THAT is the biggest issue that no one really wants to talk about.
That's the main reason I can't support her.
And not it's time for the Sammy Cam.
Comment by Raine on 02/27/2008 21:15:01
Raine on 02/27/2008 21:15:01
John McCain's bad memory...
Comment by livingonli on 02/27/2008 21:26:15
livingonli on 02/27/2008 21:26:15
Comment by Raine on 02/27/2008 21:56:50
Dispicable... And yet, not surprising.
Raine on 02/27/2008 21:56:50
Dispicable... And yet, not surprising.
Comment by Raine on 02/27/2008 22:10:57
Raine on 02/27/2008 22:10:57
:rofl:
Comment by shelaghc on 02/27/2008 23:07:44
shelaghc on 02/27/2008 23:07:44
Hi - just thought I'd try saying hi again.
Comment by BobR on 02/27/2008 23:12:04
Hi Shelagh!!
:beer:
:beer:
BobR on 02/27/2008 23:12:04
Quote by shelaghc: Hi - just thought I'd try saying hi again.
Hi Shelagh!!
:beer:
:beer:
Comment by livingonli on 02/27/2008 23:36:29
livingonli on 02/27/2008 23:36:29
Hi Shelagh.
Comment by Raine on 02/28/2008 00:38:17
Raine on 02/28/2008 00:38:17
More from the Water Wars!!!
The rest of the story is at the link, and I gotta say, it is f*cking hilarious!
Water Goodwill Gesture in Border Dispute Between TN and GA As part of the Mayor's "Give Our Georgia Friends a Drink Day," a truckload of bottled water arrived at the Georgia capital Wednesday morning. When Assistant to the Mayor Matt Lea and city councilman Manny Rico rolled up to the statehouse armed with a goodwill gesture, Georgia legislators took the water delivery in stride.
Comment by Raine on 02/28/2008 00:40:39
Raine on 02/28/2008 00:40:39
Hello !!!
We are in the midst ... ok BobR is actually cooking tonite, of making Shrimp Alfredo. 
And we have a nice salad for the fiber and the flaven. And a nice Chianti. I am so hungry....
!!!
We are in the midst ... ok BobR is actually cooking tonite, of making Shrimp Alfredo.
And we have a nice salad for the fiber and the flaven. And a nice Chianti. I am so hungry....
Comment by Raine on 02/28/2008 00:41:37
And if I may add, not fettucine, toretelini... MORE
Raine on 02/28/2008 00:41:37
Quote by Raine: Hello
Comment by Raine on 02/28/2008 00:44:55
Raine on 02/28/2008 00:44:55
So what's up tonite guys? How what has Hillary *L. Blair* Clinton and Barack the *great hope* Obama been up to?
(I kid friends, I kid. )
How about John *I was agaist Torture before I was for it* McAin't?
Comment by livingonli on 02/28/2008 01:00:35
livingonli on 02/28/2008 01:00:35
Apparently our government is using the Meow Mix song to torment prisoners at Guantanamo.
Comment by livingonli on 02/28/2008 01:03:19
livingonli on 02/28/2008 01:03:19
So, Rachel is like Thom and just took the partial week on the cruise.
Comment by Raine on 02/28/2008 01:10:47
IS this on KO? I will be tuning into it shortly. I like waiting a few minutes so I can just FF thru the commercials.
Raine on 02/28/2008 01:10:47
Quote by livingonli: Apparently our government is using the Meow Mix song to torment prisoners at Guantanamo.
Comment by Raine on 02/28/2008 01:14:06
Raine on 02/28/2008 01:14:06
Spoke too soon, it seems as tho our bombastic DVR service is not working. 
Perhaps it is due to the storms the other morning, I dunno.
We are now watching KO sans the first 10 minutes.
Perhaps it is due to the storms the other morning, I dunno. We are now watching KO sans the first 10 minutes.
Comment by livingonli on 02/28/2008 01:28:10
I heard it on the guy filling in for Rachel in the last segment. The beginning of Keith's been on the superdelegate/fundraising issues in the Democratic campaign.
livingonli on 02/28/2008 01:28:10
Quote by Raine:IS this on KO? I will be tuning into it shortly. I like waiting a few minutes so I can just FF thru the commercials.Quote by livingonli: Apparently our government is using the Meow Mix song to torment prisoners at Guantanamo.
I heard it on the guy filling in for Rachel in the last segment. The beginning of Keith's been on the superdelegate/fundraising issues in the Democratic campaign.
Comment by livingonli on 02/28/2008 01:32:37
Hope your box didn't fry.
livingonli on 02/28/2008 01:32:37
Quote by Raine: Spoke too soon, it seems as tho our bombastic DVR service is not working.
We are now watching KO sans the first 10 minutes.
Hope your box didn't fry.
Comment by Raine on 02/28/2008 01:36:57
Raine on 02/28/2008 01:36:57
ahhh... meow mix, good to know it is the NEW IMPROVED torture technique...
Then again, music DID work with Noriega.
Then again, music DID work with Noriega.
Comment by livingonli on 02/28/2008 01:40:44
What happened to heavy metal? Did the prisoners start getting into it? :metal:
livingonli on 02/28/2008 01:40:44
Quote by Raine: ahhh... meow mix, good to know it is the NEW IMPROVED torture technique...
Then again, music DID work with Noriega.
What happened to heavy metal? Did the prisoners start getting into it? :metal:
Comment by livingonli on 02/28/2008 01:53:12
livingonli on 02/28/2008 01:53:12
Tonight's worst persons;
3. Jonah Goldberg- for lying about the Guevara flag. He won worst last night for comparing Obama and FDR to Hitler.
2. Florida State Rep. Donald Brown for pushing license plates to "celebrate the Confederate heritage".
1. John McCain for denying meeting Bill Cunningham when Bill said that he met McCain twice and he was specifically picked to throw red meat to the crowd.
How many lies can John McCain get caught in?
3. Jonah Goldberg- for lying about the Guevara flag. He won worst last night for comparing Obama and FDR to Hitler.
2. Florida State Rep. Donald Brown for pushing license plates to "celebrate the Confederate heritage".
1. John McCain for denying meeting Bill Cunningham when Bill said that he met McCain twice and he was specifically picked to throw red meat to the crowd.
How many lies can John McCain get caught in?
Comment by TriSec on 02/28/2008 02:37:10
TriSec on 02/28/2008 02:37:10
TriSec here with an evening *grunt*.
Mythbusters is a repeat, too.
Mythbusters is a repeat, too.
Comment by livingonli on 02/28/2008 02:49:45
livingonli on 02/28/2008 02:49:45
NHL Network is picking up TSN's hockey coverage tonight. I went to check my Sunday records for cartoons but most of them were pre-empted by the NASCAR race running long.
Comment by livingonli on 02/28/2008 04:51:20
livingonli on 02/28/2008 04:51:20
Crony McSnowjob is on tonight's Colbert Report.