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You can't break up an idea.
Author: Raine
Date: 11/17/2011 13:47:36
If you have the ability to watch this is the CBS news live stream from a helicopter above Downtown Manhattan.
This is just one corner of the march that is occurring right now around Wall Street, NYC. They are attempting to shut down Wall Street,
While I put something together, take a watch, for the moment -- there is no media black out. It also appears that the movement will grow. From McClatchy:
And for our New england representatives, Occupy, along with labor leaders, is planning to march once again to the Charlestown bridge. They are also making part of the protest a way to bring to light the dismal state of infrastructure on bridges in that region. In truth, Occupy Boston refuses to march over the bridge, because they say they are afraid of collapse.
Today will be interesting. They can take away the tents, but it appears they cannot take away the idea. I really like that.
and 
Raine
This is just one corner of the march that is occurring right now around Wall Street, NYC. They are attempting to shut down Wall Street,
While I put something together, take a watch, for the moment -- there is no media black out. It also appears that the movement will grow. From McClatchy:
And like many other Occupy activists and social-trend analysts Wednesday, she said that similar police confrontations taking place across the country will have a predictable effect.
"It just grows the movement," Rainey said.
As they prepare for a "national day of action" on Thursday, protesters from Seattle to New York are feeling energized, preparing to turn out perhaps the biggest crowds yet of the 2-month-old Occupy Wall Street movement. Unions and liberal groups are teaming up with Occupy groups across the country in an attempt to boost the turnouts.
With thousands expected to participate, all eyes will be on the police, who have cracked idown on protesters from coast to coast in recent days.
Marchers are expected to take to the streets in major cities including Seattle, New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, Philadelphia, Boston, Portland, Ore., Miami, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Detroit, Milwaukee, Minneapolis and Washington.
And for our New england representatives, Occupy, along with labor leaders, is planning to march once again to the Charlestown bridge.
Hundreds of unemployed workers will join forces with the Occupy Boston protesters, trade unions and community groups today to march for what they describe as "jobs, not cuts."
The protesters will gather first at Dewey Square around 4 p.m. on Thursday before marching to the Charlestown Bridge on North Washington Street. The march will halt before protesters cross the bridge. Police are expected to shut down the bridge during the march.
Today will be interesting. They can take away the tents, but it appears they cannot take away the idea. I really like that.
and Raine
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Comment by 
Mondobubba on 11/17/2011 14:06:52
Mondobubba on 11/17/2011 14:06:52
There is a line from "Dancing In the Dark" by B. Springsteen that keeps running through my mind about Occupy: "You can't start a fire, you can't start a fire without a spark." That line has been with me for about a week now.
Comment by 
Raine on 11/17/2011 14:09:32
I think that is totally on point.
Raine on 11/17/2011 14:09:32
Quote by Mondobubba:
There is a line from "Dancing In the Dark" by B. Springsteen that keeps running through my mind about Occupy: "You can't start a fire, you can't start a fire without a spark." That line has been with me for about a week now.
Comment by 
wickedpam on 11/17/2011 14:11:05
wickedpam on 11/17/2011 14:11:05
Morning 
On the DC front I believe they will be shutting down the Key Bridge with march
On the DC front I believe they will be shutting down the Key Bridge with march
Comment by Raine on 11/17/2011 14:11:26
Raine on 11/17/2011 14:11:26
I do hope you all read the entire McClatchy article.
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/17/2011 14:31:10
There are other spark and flame metaphors too, but the Bruce lyric is the best of the lot.
Mondobubba on 11/17/2011 14:31:10
Quote by Raine:I think that is totally on point.Quote by Mondobubba:
There is a line from "Dancing In the Dark" by B. Springsteen that keeps running through my mind about Occupy: "You can't start a fire, you can't start a fire without a spark." That line has been with me for about a week now.
There are other spark and flame metaphors too, but the Bruce lyric is the best of the lot.
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/17/2011 14:33:10
Mondobubba on 11/17/2011 14:33:10
Comment by Raine on 11/17/2011 14:33:49
You will recall this is a bridge the President hilighted that needed repairs.
Raine on 11/17/2011 14:33:49
Quote by wickedpam:
Morning
On the DC front I believe they will be shutting down the Key Bridge with march
In Washington, protesters hope to form a human chain that will stretch from Georgetown across the Key Bridge into Virginia. The rallies and marches are intended to draw attention to bridges across the country that could be repaired to create more jobs.
You will recall this is a bridge the President hilighted that needed repairs.
Comment by Raine on 11/17/2011 14:42:19
You see, this sortof pisses me off.
Peter King is acting like rape and violence is just an occupy normality.
What the hell has he done for homeless people, WOMEN -- who have been subject to rape and violence and dirt? Maybe it's me, but I think his comments show how insensitive he is to the reality of people struggling in this country.
It also shows to me how uncomfortable the Occupy movement is to people like King.
Raine on 11/17/2011 14:42:19
Quote by Mondobubba:
Peter King, do yourself a favor and shut your piehole. You Sir, are and idiot.
“First of all, you try to listen to them and they make almost no sense,†King said. “These are people who were living in dirt, these were people who are involved in drugs, there was violence, there was rape, these were a small number of people — you could probably get more people at a Mass in St. Patrick’s Cathedral on a Sunday than you got in Zuccotti Park.â€
Peter King is acting like rape and violence is just an occupy normality.
What the hell has he done for homeless people, WOMEN -- who have been subject to rape and violence and dirt? Maybe it's me, but I think his comments show how insensitive he is to the reality of people struggling in this country.
It also shows to me how uncomfortable the Occupy movement is to people like King.
Comment by Raine on 11/17/2011 14:43:41
Kenyanezastan!
Raine on 11/17/2011 14:43:41
Kenyanezastan!
Comment by wickedpam on 11/17/2011 14:47:37
wickedpam on 11/17/2011 14:47:37
the Deli wheel of pie? 
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/17/2011 14:57:22
Precisely! It is the right-wing smear on Occupy. Violent! Drug-addled hippies! Rape! Said over and over with no context of facts. People eat it up too.
Mondobubba on 11/17/2011 14:57:22
Quote by Raine:Quote by Mondobubba:
Peter King, do yourself a favor and shut your piehole. You Sir, are and idiot.You see, this sortof pisses me off.“First of all, you try to listen to them and they make almost no sense,†King said. “These are people who were living in dirt, these were people who are involved in drugs, there was violence, there was rape, these were a small number of people — you could probably get more people at a Mass in St. Patrick’s Cathedral on a Sunday than you got in Zuccotti Park.â€Â
Peter King is acting like rape and violence is just an occupy normality.
What the hell has he done for homeless people, WOMEN -- who have been subject to rape and violence and dirt? Maybe it's me, but I think his comments show how insensitive he is to the reality of people struggling in this country.
It also shows to me how uncomfortable the Occupy movement is to people like King.
Precisely! It is the right-wing smear on Occupy. Violent! Drug-addled hippies! Rape! Said over and over with no context of facts. People eat it up too.
Comment by wickedpam on 11/17/2011 14:57:30
wickedpam on 11/17/2011 14:57:30
btw that cbs link - they switched to something else
Comment by Raine on 11/17/2011 14:59:44
I noticed that.
Not good. lemme see if I can find something else.
I know that Occupy itself has a stream, but to be honest, I was liking the sorta non biased view.
Raine on 11/17/2011 14:59:44
Quote by wickedpam:
btw that cbs link - they switched to something else
Not good. lemme see if I can find something else.
I know that Occupy itself has a stream, but to be honest, I was liking the sorta non biased view.
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/17/2011 15:00:01
Mondobubba on 11/17/2011 15:00:01
This might be my favorite quote in the McClatchy article:
But, he said: "Police have gotten smarter in 40 years."
Oh? Really? How?
But, he said: "Police have gotten smarter in 40 years."
Oh? Really? How?
Comment by wickedpam on 11/17/2011 15:04:40
what about traffic cameras?
wickedpam on 11/17/2011 15:04:40
Quote by Raine:I noticed that.Quote by wickedpam:
btw that cbs link - they switched to something else
Not good. lemme see if I can find something else.
I know that Occupy itself has a stream, but to be honest, I was liking the sorta non biased view.
what about traffic cameras?
Comment by Raine on 11/17/2011 15:27:29
The body politic has been slowly crafted to allow the police to do this,
Bu, yes, I sawthat comment and it raised my eyebrows as well.
Raine on 11/17/2011 15:27:29
Quote by Mondobubba:
This might be my favorite quote in the McClatchy article:
But, he said: "Police have gotten smarter in 40 years."
Oh? Really? How?
Bu, yes, I sawthat comment and it raised my eyebrows as well.
Comment by Raine on 11/17/2011 15:28:32
Raine on 11/17/2011 15:28:32
Ok, guys, this is not a blog worthy post, but I made this my status update. Please tell me what you think:
When people like Wall St. Brokers and Bankers hold signs telling protesters to "Get a Job" it proves the point that they are woefully out of touch with the struggles of this Country. Maybe those Fluckers should HIRE the protesters.
Kinda reminds me of the people who degrade and protest women who choose to have an abortion. They rarely offer to adopt a child. They are more content to harass and annoy instead of taking part in real change.
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/17/2011 15:31:08
:like: In a big way.
Mondobubba on 11/17/2011 15:31:08
Quote by Raine:
Ok, guys, this is not a blog worthy post, but I made this my status update. Please tell me what you think:
When people like Wall St. Brokers and Bankers hold signs telling protesters to "Get a Job" it proves the point that they are woefully out of touch with the struggles of this Country. Maybe those Fluckers should HIRE the protesters.
Kinda reminds me of the people who degrade and protest women who choose to have an abortion. They rarely offer to adopt a child. They are more content to harass and annoy instead of taking part in real change.
:like: In a big way.
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/17/2011 15:32:57
Good point. We have been very accepting of the militirzation of policing over the past 30 or so years. This is one thing that Alternet has been consistently spot on in covering.
Mondobubba on 11/17/2011 15:32:57
Quote by Raine:The body politic has been slowly crafted to allow the police to do this,Quote by Mondobubba:
This might be my favorite quote in the McClatchy article:
But, he said: "Police have gotten smarter in 40 years."
Oh? Really? How?
Bu, yes, I sawthat comment and it raised my eyebrows as well.
Good point. We have been very accepting of the militirzation of policing over the past 30 or so years. This is one thing that Alternet has been consistently spot on in covering.
Comment by wickedpam on 11/17/2011 15:39:32
ditto
wickedpam on 11/17/2011 15:39:32
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
Ok, guys, this is not a blog worthy post, but I made this my status update. Please tell me what you think:
When people like Wall St. Brokers and Bankers hold signs telling protesters to "Get a Job" it proves the point that they are woefully out of touch with the struggles of this Country. Maybe those Fluckers should HIRE the protesters.
Kinda reminds me of the people who degrade and protest women who choose to have an abortion. They rarely offer to adopt a child. They are more content to harass and annoy instead of taking part in real change.
:like: In a big way.
ditto
Comment by wickedpam on 11/17/2011 15:41:44
wickedpam on 11/17/2011 15:41:44
thanks for insuring I will never fly again 
Comment by Raine on 11/17/2011 15:45:37
Raine on 11/17/2011 15:45:37
AND -- this is where Jesse loses me.
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/17/2011 15:46:12
what did he do?
Mondobubba on 11/17/2011 15:46:12
Quote by Raine:
AND -- this is where Jesse loses me.
what did he do?
Comment by wickedpam on 11/17/2011 15:46:21
I have a headache in my eye
wickedpam on 11/17/2011 15:46:21
I have a headache in my eye
Comment by Raine on 11/17/2011 15:47:05
Raine on 11/17/2011 15:47:05
OK, JEsse is just REALLY losing me.
Watch Jim salivate.
and I love that Chris asked the VERY important question: How do we take it back.
JEsse has no fucking answer. Bitch complain and offer no solutions.
Watch Jim salivate.
and I love that Chris asked the VERY important question: How do we take it back.
JEsse has no fucking answer. Bitch complain and offer no solutions.
Comment by Raine on 11/17/2011 15:47:28
Bush =Obama argument.
Raine on 11/17/2011 15:47:28
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
AND -- this is where Jesse loses me.
what did he do?
Comment by wickedpam on 11/17/2011 15:47:32
wickedpam on 11/17/2011 15:47:32
poor Steph, she's trying to keep it light
Comment by 
BobR on 11/17/2011 15:47:33
His solution is not the only one, and it's not viable.
BobR on 11/17/2011 15:47:33
Quote by Raine:
AND -- this is where Jesse loses me.
His solution is not the only one, and it's not viable.
Comment by Raine on 11/17/2011 15:47:53
Raine on 11/17/2011 15:47:53
So what the HELL is your damn solution, Jesse?
Comment by Raine on 11/17/2011 15:48:39
Raine on 11/17/2011 15:48:39
Ah...
So people are lemmings. according to Jesse.
So people are lemmings. according to Jesse.
Comment by wickedpam on 11/17/2011 15:48:52
wickedpam on 11/17/2011 15:48:52
really, can I stop being insulted by a prowrestler who's best know for saying "DOn't have time to bleed"
Comment by BobR on 11/17/2011 15:49:06
Exactly - insult the electorate, call them lemmings. Not a solution. Third party? Not a workable solution, at least not in the short term (short term = 0 - 12 yrs)
BobR on 11/17/2011 15:49:06
Quote by Raine:
OK, JEsse is just REALLY losing me.
Watch Jim salivate.
and I love that Chris asked the VERY important question: How do we take it back.
Jesse has no fucking answer. Bitch complain and offer no solutions.
Exactly - insult the electorate, call them lemmings. Not a solution. Third party? Not a workable solution, at least not in the short term (short term = 0 - 12 yrs)
Comment by Raine on 11/17/2011 15:49:13
Raine on 11/17/2011 15:49:13
Jesse is still offering no solutions. NONE. ZIP.
Comment by Raine on 11/17/2011 15:50:28
Raine on 11/17/2011 15:50:28
FUCK Jesse Ventura.
I am not surprised no one wants to talk to him. HE's an insulting arrogant person.
I am not surprised no one wants to talk to him. HE's an insulting arrogant person.
Comment by Raine on 11/17/2011 15:51:29
Raine on 11/17/2011 15:51:29
and I take it back about Jim. He didn't jump in. I thought he would. I am glad he didn;t.
Comment by Raine on 11/17/2011 16:01:38
Raine on 11/17/2011 16:01:38
Jesse ventura just tossed a WHOLE lotta straw men there.
Dishonest crap that people will debate for the next hour.
GUH.
Dishonest crap that people will debate for the next hour.
GUH.
Comment by wickedpam on 11/17/2011 16:06:57
wickedpam on 11/17/2011 16:06:57
"My favorite tree? hhhmmm............yes.............that one." 
that makes me smile everytime
that makes me smile everytime
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/17/2011 16:29:53
Mondobubba on 11/17/2011 16:29:53
Quote by wickedpam:
really, can I stop being insulted by a prowrestler who's best know for saying "DOn't have time to bleed"
Comment by 
Scoopster on 11/17/2011 16:33:43
Scoopster on 11/17/2011 16:33:43
Mornin' all.. 
Saw one of Karl Rove's bullshit ads this morning against Elizabeth Warren. They're really starting early with the lies & slander.
Saw one of Karl Rove's bullshit ads this morning against Elizabeth Warren. They're really starting early with the lies & slander.
Comment by wickedpam on 11/17/2011 17:10:55
wickedpam on 11/17/2011 17:10:55
and THom's show goes off
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/17/2011 17:14:16
Mondobubba on 11/17/2011 17:14:16
:(
Comment by wickedpam on 11/17/2011 17:17:00
wickedpam on 11/17/2011 17:17:00
why the frowny face?
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/17/2011 17:20:40
The usual feelings of dread and unhappiness.
Mondobubba on 11/17/2011 17:20:40
Quote by wickedpam:
why the frowny face?
The usual feelings of dread and unhappiness.
Comment by wickedpam on 11/17/2011 17:30:24
don't make me break out the kitty pix
wickedpam on 11/17/2011 17:30:24
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam:
why the frowny face?
The usual feelings of dread and unhappiness.
don't make me break out the kitty pix
Comment by 
livingonli on 11/17/2011 17:33:16
livingonli on 11/17/2011 17:33:16
Good day everyone. Still feel like shit and I think my voice is a little fried today too.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 11/17/2011 17:48:30
Will in Chicago on 11/17/2011 17:48:30
Hello, bloggers!!
Raine, thank you for an interesting blog. I think that we will see the movement change and develop.
Here are two articles for the blog . First, from Truthout --
Here is one from Rolling Stone and Matt Taibbi:
Raine, thank you for an interesting blog. I think that we will see the movement change and develop.
Here are two articles for the blog . First, from Truthout --
This Is What Revolution Looks Like
Tuesday 15 November 2011
by: Chris Hedges, Truthdig | Op-Ed
Welcome to the revolution. Our elites have exposed their hand. They have nothing to offer. They can destroy but they cannot build. They can repress but they cannot lead. They can steal but they cannot share. They can talk but they cannot speak. They are as dead and useless to us as the water-soaked books, tents, sleeping bags, suitcases, food boxes and clothes that were tossed by sanitation workers Tuesday morning into garbage trucks in New York City. They have no ideas, no plans and no vision for the future.
Here is one from Rolling Stone and Matt Taibbi:
My Advice to Occupy Wall Street Protesters
Hit bankers where it hurts
By Matt Taibbi
October 12, 2011 8:00 AM ET
I've been down to "Occupy Wall Street" twice now, and I love it. The protests building at Liberty Square and spreading over Lower Manhattan are a great thing, the logical answer to the Tea Party and a long-overdue middle finger to the financial elite. The protesters picked the right target and, through their refusal to disband after just one day, the right tactic, showing the public at large that the movement against Wall Street has stamina, resolve and growing popular appeal.
Comment by wickedpam on 11/17/2011 17:58:04
wickedpam on 11/17/2011 17:58:04
okay I can't watch the livestream from OWS - the twirling camera is making me dizzy 
Comment by Scoopster on 11/17/2011 18:19:41
Scoopster on 11/17/2011 18:19:41
Comment by Scoopster on 11/17/2011 19:02:34
Scoopster on 11/17/2011 19:02:34
Comment by Scoopster on 11/17/2011 19:11:17
Scoopster on 11/17/2011 19:11:17