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Ask a Vet
Author: TriSec
Date: 11/22/2011 11:25:04
Good Morning.
Today is our 3,170th day in Iraq, and our 3, 698th day in Afghanistan.
We'll start this morning as we always do; with the latest casualty figures from our ongoing wars, courtesy of Antiwar.com:
American Deaths
Since war began (3/19/03): 4483
Since "Mission Accomplished" (5/1/03): 4344
Since Handover (6/29/04): 3624
Since Obama Inauguration (1/20/09): 255
Since Operation New Dawn: 55
Other Coalition Troops - Iraq: 319
US Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 1,838
Other Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 972
Contractor Employee Deaths - Iraq: 1,487
Journalists - Iraq : 348
Academics Killed - Iraq: 448
We find this morning's cost of war passing through:
$ 1, 281, 365, 925, 000 .00
We'll follow up this morning on a couple of long-running stories we've been tracking. Of course we'll start in Iraq, but we'll go back 20 years to Operation Desert Storm. At long last, the government seems to be standardizing a list of symptoms and suggested treatments for those suffering from Gulf War Syndrome. With two decades in the rear-view mirror, it's about damn time.
It's interesting that the above story mentions burn pits; it's a common practice in the military to incinerate all manner of things from ordinary trash, to waste oil and munitions, to human waste. You could probably guess that it's bad to be near these places, but the military has long denied any connection to sickness or disease. There was another recent study that continues to declare the link "inconclusive".
Finally this morning, we'll change gears a bit and check in on the gays. Since DADT was repealed, there's been a complete breakdown in military discipline; gays are showering with straight men and recruiting them hard, and as a result the marriage rate among active-duty personnel has seen a precipitous decline. Oh, no wait...my bad. It's been a non-event.
And so...as we head into Thanksgiving, please take a moment and remember to be thankful for our servicemembers out there on the front lines...and be thankful that for many, this will be the last Thanksgiving away from home.
Today is our 3,170th day in Iraq, and our 3, 698th day in Afghanistan.
We'll start this morning as we always do; with the latest casualty figures from our ongoing wars, courtesy of Antiwar.com:
American Deaths
Since war began (3/19/03): 4483
Since "Mission Accomplished" (5/1/03): 4344
Since Handover (6/29/04): 3624
Since Obama Inauguration (1/20/09): 255
Since Operation New Dawn: 55
Other Coalition Troops - Iraq: 319
US Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 1,838
Other Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 972
Contractor Employee Deaths - Iraq: 1,487
Journalists - Iraq : 348
Academics Killed - Iraq: 448
We find this morning's cost of war passing through:
We'll follow up this morning on a couple of long-running stories we've been tracking. Of course we'll start in Iraq, but we'll go back 20 years to Operation Desert Storm. At long last, the government seems to be standardizing a list of symptoms and suggested treatments for those suffering from Gulf War Syndrome. With two decades in the rear-view mirror, it's about damn time.
WASHINGTON — Twenty years after the end of the Persian Gulf War, the Department of Veterans Affairs plans to standardize and improve treatment for the one of four veterans who suffer from a multi-symptom illness that could have been caused by environmental exposures.
The VA has created a pilot program starting this week in Salt Lake City aimed specifically at caring for Gulf War veterans, and it vowed to improve training, data collection, research and communication for that group.
The department will distribute pocket cards explaining symptoms and possible exposures to medical staff.
The VA has created two positions in the Office of Research and Development to deal with health-related issues possibly arising from the Gulf War or other deployments.
A report, released by the VA’s Gulf War Veterans’ Illnesses Task Force, lays out a proposed plan to address veterans’ concerns.
“This report provides a road map for our continued enhancements in our care and services we provide to Gulf War veterans,” VA Secretary Eric Shinseki said in a statement. “We will be applying lessons learned from this report to veterans of all eras.”
The proposal comes after years of research that mistakenly pointed to stress as the cause of symptoms such as chronic fatigue, headaches, muscle and joint pain, chronic diarrhea and mysterious rashes.
Last year, the VA issued a 32-page training letter documenting possible environmental exposures found during the Gulf War and in the current conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan that could result in troops’ illness.
Those exposures included burn pits that consumed as much as 240 tons of trash a day, particulate matter from dust storms and carcinogenic chemicals left behind by Iraqi troops.
Recent research has shown a connection between Gulf War veterans who used pesticides and anti-nerve agent pills to veterans who have higher rates of Gulf War illness.
It's interesting that the above story mentions burn pits; it's a common practice in the military to incinerate all manner of things from ordinary trash, to waste oil and munitions, to human waste. You could probably guess that it's bad to be near these places, but the military has long denied any connection to sickness or disease. There was another recent study that continues to declare the link "inconclusive".
WASHINGTON -- Researchers studying troops' respiratory problems released findings Monday that suggested poor air quality in Iraq and Afghanistan may be a bigger threat to servicemembers' long-term health than exposure to toxic smoke from burn pits. But they caution that their work still leaves many questions unanswered.
The report, requested by the Department of Veterans Affairs and conducted by the Institute of Medicine, found that particulate matter in the air around the infamous Joint Base Balad burn pit at the height of the Iraq War included dangerous particulate matter that could cause long-term respiratory illnesses.
But the researchers said that likely came from background sources -- "windblown dust combined with elemental carbon and metals that arise from transportation and industrial activities" -- and not the burn pit's toxic smoke. With that factored in, the study found no additional threat from the plastic, metal and other waste being burned in the waste fires.
However, study authors were quick to point out that those conclusions aren't meant to prove that working and living around burn pits was safe. Researchers complained that air-quality monitoring data supplied by the Defense Department was limited in usefulness, and only gave a partial picture of what chemicals troops may have been exposed to.
The authors recommend a follow-up study of the health records of troops stationed at Balad, both before and after the burn pit was phased out in 2009, to better determine what long-term risks they face.
Earlier this month, a study in the Journal of Occupational and Environmental Medicine suggested that defense and VA researchers begin using the term "Iraq/Afghanistan War Lung Injury" for the high rates of respiratory illnesses among returning troops. But that research also didn't isolate whether the problem was from the frequent use of burn pits or other environmental problems in the war zone.
Finally this morning, we'll change gears a bit and check in on the gays. Since DADT was repealed, there's been a complete breakdown in military discipline; gays are showering with straight men and recruiting them hard, and as a result the marriage rate among active-duty personnel has seen a precipitous decline. Oh, no wait...my bad. It's been a non-event.
LAS VEGAS -- Chief Warrant Officer Charlie Morgan kept it simple and sweet. She was eight months into a nine-month assignment in Kuwait, and Defense Secretary Leon Panetta had just informed Congress that the U.S. armed forces were ready to integrate openly gay troops.
Morgan decided the time was right to come out to her commander. The photograph of her wife and 4-year-old daughter she kept hidden on her desk helped her do it.
"I said, `Sir, I would like to introduce you to someone. This is my family,' " Morgan recalled of her July conversation with her boss, an Army colonel leading a 2,400-Soldier brigade. "He said, `Charlie, you have a beautiful family. You know, "don't ask, don't tell" prevented me from getting to know you.' "
Nearly four weeks after the U.S. lifted its ban on open service by gay men, lesbians and bisexuals, similar stories of secret-shedding, relief and acceptance were swapped Saturday at the first-ever national convention of gay military personnel on active duty.
Each of the 200 or so Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen and Marines attending the conference put on by the formerly clandestine group known as OutServe had, to varying degrees, only recently revealed their sexual orientations at work. None had gotten a reaction worse than a shrug.
"Out of the 4,500 members we have, we haven't had any person come to us about one single problem, which is huge, because right before repeal of `don't ask, don't tell,' we had tons of problems," like investigations and other issues relayed to the Pentagon, said Air Force 1st Lt. Josh Seefried, the group's co-founder. "But right now, after Sept. 20, there is nothing to relay because everything has been 100 percent positive."
Senior Airman Kody Parsons, a substance abuse counselor at an Air Force base in Fairfield, Calif., came out to his superiors a week and a half ago because he thought they should know he was attending the OutServe conference.
They thanked him for speaking up, supported his trip to Las Vegas and asked him to let him know if they could help in any way. Parsons called it "a nonevent."
"I think it's very important to ensure nothing changes for fear of reinforcing the stigma that, `Well now that the gays are here, look out,' " he said. "My sexual orientation doesn't have any effect on my ability to do my job, and they recognize that."
And so...as we head into Thanksgiving, please take a moment and remember to be thankful for our servicemembers out there on the front lines...and be thankful that for many, this will be the last Thanksgiving away from home.
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Comment by 
Mondobubba on 11/22/2011 13:52:04
Mondobubba on 11/22/2011 13:52:04
Morning all.
Comment by 
wickedpam on 11/22/2011 13:57:59
wickedpam on 11/22/2011 13:57:59
Morning 
Comment by 
Raine on 11/22/2011 14:07:15
good morning!
Raine on 11/22/2011 14:07:15
good morning!
Comment by Raine on 11/22/2011 14:21:01
well that "food" product also seems to have caused a miscarriage in Seattle.
That and kicking a pregnant woman in the stomach.
Raine on 11/22/2011 14:21:01
Quote by wickedpam:
"Its a food product" according to Fake news
well that "food" product also seems to have caused a miscarriage in Seattle.
That and kicking a pregnant woman in the stomach.
Comment by 
Scoopster on 11/22/2011 14:23:07
Scoopster on 11/22/2011 14:23:07
Mornin' all.. 
I need a good apple pie recipe, but I can't find any that I like. I was even thinking of like a hybrid apple & pecan kinda thing..
I need a good apple pie recipe, but I can't find any that I like. I was even thinking of like a hybrid apple & pecan kinda thing..
Comment by 
TriSec on 11/22/2011 14:26:21
TriSec on 11/22/2011 14:26:21
Food product. OK then, go shake some tabasco on your hands and rub your eyes with it and see how you make out. And that's mild.
Comment by wickedpam on 11/22/2011 14:26:46
you know they are going to say it was her fault for being there and putting her pregnancy in jepardy(sp)
wickedpam on 11/22/2011 14:26:46
Quote by Raine:Quote by wickedpam:
"Its a food product" according to Fake news
well that "food" product also seems to have caused a miscarriage in Seattle.
That and kicking a pregnant woman in the stomach.
you know they are going to say it was her fault for being there and putting her pregnancy in jepardy(sp)
Comment by wickedpam on 11/22/2011 14:29:41
wickedpam on 11/22/2011 14:29:41
Comment by TriSec on 11/22/2011 14:30:47
Julia always has an answer.
TriSec on 11/22/2011 14:30:47
Quote by Scoopster:
Mornin' all..
I need a good apple pie recipe, but I can't find any that I like. I was even thinking of like a hybrid apple & pecan kinda thing..
Julia always has an answer.
Comment by wickedpam on 11/22/2011 14:31:33
that sounds yummy! wish I could help my recipe includes the words "can of pie filling"
wickedpam on 11/22/2011 14:31:33
Quote by Scoopster:
Mornin' all..
I need a good apple pie recipe, but I can't find any that I like. I was even thinking of like a hybrid apple & pecan kinda thing..
that sounds yummy! wish I could help my recipe includes the words "can of pie filling"
Comment by wickedpam on 11/22/2011 14:35:14
wickedpam on 11/22/2011 14:35:14
oh and Meghan McCain is now an official MSNBC contributor, is Rush going to bitch about that? I doubt it.
Comment by Raine on 11/22/2011 14:44:39
mmmhhHHHHMMmmm
Raine on 11/22/2011 14:44:39
Quote by wickedpam:
oh and Meghan McCain is now an official MSNBC contributor, is Rush going to bitch about that? I doubt it.
Comment by 
BobR on 11/22/2011 14:49:06
Mine always turns out good, but it's from the Betty Crocker cookbook. No pecans though...
BobR on 11/22/2011 14:49:06
Quote by Scoopster:
Mornin' all..
I need a good apple pie recipe, but I can't find any that I like. I was even thinking of like a hybrid apple & pecan kinda thing..
Mine always turns out good, but it's from the Betty Crocker cookbook. No pecans though...
Comment by Scoopster on 11/22/2011 14:49:42
They needed a new conservative cow to balance out the stunningly beautiful Chelsea Clinton
Scoopster on 11/22/2011 14:49:42
Quote by wickedpam:
oh and Meghan McCain is now an official MSNBC contributor, is Rush going to bitch about that? I doubt it.
They needed a new conservative cow to balance out the stunningly beautiful Chelsea Clinton
Comment by TriSec on 11/22/2011 14:51:12
TriSec on 11/22/2011 14:51:12
Grandma TriSec's secret: Jiffy Pie Crust
I use Macs and Cortlands....cut them into slices, sprinkle on cinnamon and sugar until it "looks right", then in they go and cover it up. Never had a bad pie with this method. And yes, it even works in the woods over the fire in a Dutch Oven.
I use Macs and Cortlands....cut them into slices, sprinkle on cinnamon and sugar until it "looks right", then in they go and cover it up. Never had a bad pie with this method. And yes, it even works in the woods over the fire in a Dutch Oven.
Comment by Raine on 11/22/2011 14:54:50
that was a beautiful story.
Raine on 11/22/2011 14:54:50
that was a beautiful story.
Comment by wickedpam on 11/22/2011 14:58:32
I missed it, I was watching Oskar the blind kitten plays with first toys, what did I miss? I came back and Steph was weeping in a corner
wickedpam on 11/22/2011 14:58:32
Quote by Raine:
I missed it, I was watching Oskar the blind kitten plays with first toys, what did I miss? I came back and Steph was weeping in a corner
Comment by Raine on 11/22/2011 15:00:13
A caller told a story about how he decided to come out to his family because of Momma.
Raine on 11/22/2011 15:00:13
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
I missed it, I was watching Oskar the blind kitten plays with first toys, what did I miss? I came back and Steph was weeping in a corner
Comment by Scoopster on 11/22/2011 15:00:56
Scoopster on 11/22/2011 15:00:56
Comment by wickedpam on 11/22/2011 15:05:13
aawww to the caller
wickedpam on 11/22/2011 15:05:13
Quote by Raine:A caller told a story about how he decided to come out to his family because of Momma.Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
I missed it, I was watching Oskar the blind kitten plays with first toys, what did I miss? I came back and Steph was weeping in a corner
aawww
to the caller
Comment by Raine on 11/22/2011 15:09:39
oh yes. Removing regulations creates jobs. asshats.
Raine on 11/22/2011 15:09:39
becuase that is like a jobs package, how?
oh yes. Removing regulations creates jobs. asshats.
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/22/2011 15:12:14
That's a tart, not a pie!
Mondobubba on 11/22/2011 15:12:14
Quote by TriSec:Quote by Scoopster:
Mornin' all..
I need a good apple pie recipe, but I can't find any that I like. I was even thinking of like a hybrid apple & pecan kinda thing..
Julia always has an answer.
That's a tart, not a pie!
Comment by BobR on 11/22/2011 15:13:12
BobR on 11/22/2011 15:13:12
Okay, so here is the recipe I use for apple pie filling:
6-8 tart apples, cored, peeled, sliced (8 for Macs, 6 for Granny Smith, since they're larger)
1/2 C sugar
1/4 C flour (all purpose)
1/2 tsp cinnamon
1/2 tsp nutmeg
Mix all ingredients, add to pie shell, dot with 2 TB butter, put on top pie shell
Bake at 425 for 45 mins (cover outer edge of crust with foil for first 30 minutes to avoid excessive browning).
If you want to make your own pie crust, it's fairly simple, although rolling it out and getting it into the pie pan in one piece can be tricky:
2 C all purpose flour
1 tsp salt
2/3 C + 2 TB shortening (I use butter-flavor Crisco)
4-5 TB COLD water
Mix all ingredients, split into to equal size balls, wrap tightly in plastic and rest for 1 hr, then roll out.
6-8 tart apples, cored, peeled, sliced (8 for Macs, 6 for Granny Smith, since they're larger)
1/2 C sugar
1/4 C flour (all purpose)
1/2 tsp cinnamon
1/2 tsp nutmeg
Mix all ingredients, add to pie shell, dot with 2 TB butter, put on top pie shell
Bake at 425 for 45 mins (cover outer edge of crust with foil for first 30 minutes to avoid excessive browning).
If you want to make your own pie crust, it's fairly simple, although rolling it out and getting it into the pie pan in one piece can be tricky:
2 C all purpose flour
1 tsp salt
2/3 C + 2 TB shortening (I use butter-flavor Crisco)
4-5 TB COLD water
Mix all ingredients, split into to equal size balls, wrap tightly in plastic and rest for 1 hr, then roll out.
Comment by BobR on 11/22/2011 15:14:34
Gee - ya think the president is gonna sign that??
BobR on 11/22/2011 15:14:34
Quote by Raine:becuase that is like a jobs package, how?
oh yes. Removing regulations creates jobs. asshats.
Gee - ya think the president is gonna sign that??
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/22/2011 15:14:58
Eight Macs? What kind? Powerbooks? G-4? Don't you think they would be really crunchy? :ducks incoming bricks:
Mondobubba on 11/22/2011 15:14:58
Quote by BobR:
Okay, so here is the recipe I use for apple pie filling:
6-8 tart apples, cored, peeled, sliced (8 for Macs, 6 for Granny Smith, since they're larger)
1/2 C sugar
1/4 C flour (all purpose)
1/2 tsp cinnamon
1/2 tsp nutmeg
Mix all ingredients, add to pie shell, dot with 2 TB butter, put on top pie shell
Bake at 425 for 45 mins (cover outer edge of crust with foil for first 30 minutes to avoid excessive browning).
If you want to make your own pie crust, it's fairly simple, although rolling it out and getting it into the pie pan in one piece can be tricky:
2 C all purpose flour
1 tsp salt
2/3 C + 2 TB shortening (I use butter-flavor Crisco)
4-5 TB COLD water
Mix all ingredients, split into to equal size balls, wrap tightly in plastic and rest for 1 hr, then roll out.
Eight Macs? What kind? Powerbooks? G-4? Don't you think they would be really crunchy? :ducks incoming bricks:
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/22/2011 15:15:30
Now, now it will just die in the Senate.
Mondobubba on 11/22/2011 15:15:30
Quote by BobR:Quote by Raine:becuase that is like a jobs package, how?
oh yes. Removing regulations creates jobs. asshats.
Gee - ya think the president is gonna sign that??
Now, now it will just die in the Senate.
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/22/2011 15:16:45
Mondobubba on 11/22/2011 15:16:45
Question for you all. Is it in bad taste for Stephen King's publisher to realease King's new novel on the Kennedy assassination today?
Comment by BobR on 11/22/2011 15:18:32
Damn onions...
BobR on 11/22/2011 15:18:32
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
I missed it, I was watching Oskar the blind kitten plays with first toys, what did I miss? I came back and Steph was weeping in a corner
Damn onions...
Comment by Raine on 11/22/2011 15:23:47
Wow.
Raine on 11/22/2011 15:23:47
Quote by BobR:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
I missed it, I was watching Oskar the blind kitten plays with first toys, what did I miss? I came back and Steph was weeping in a corner
Damn onions...
Wow.
Comment by wickedpam on 11/22/2011 15:26:58
wickedpam on 11/22/2011 15:26:58
what can I say, I'm good at finding those rabbitholes 
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/22/2011 15:28:42
You know who is a big fan of store bought pie crust? The geek's favorite celebrity chef, Alton Brown.
Mondobubba on 11/22/2011 15:28:42
Quote by BobR:
Okay, so here is the recipe I use for apple pie filling:
6-8 tart apples, cored, peeled, sliced (8 for Macs, 6 for Granny Smith, since they're larger)
1/2 C sugar
1/4 C flour (all purpose)
1/2 tsp cinnamon
1/2 tsp nutmeg
Mix all ingredients, add to pie shell, dot with 2 TB butter, put on top pie shell
Bake at 425 for 45 mins (cover outer edge of crust with foil for first 30 minutes to avoid excessive browning).
If you want to make your own pie crust, it's fairly simple, although rolling it out and getting it into the pie pan in one piece can be tricky:
2 C all purpose flour
1 tsp salt
2/3 C + 2 TB shortening (I use butter-flavor Crisco)
4-5 TB COLD water
Mix all ingredients, split into to equal size balls, wrap tightly in plastic and rest for 1 hr, then roll out.
You know who is a big fan of store bought pie crust? The geek's favorite celebrity chef, Alton Brown.
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/22/2011 15:38:14
Mondobubba on 11/22/2011 15:38:14
Alton Brown killed the blog?
Comment by Raine on 11/22/2011 15:38:33
Raine on 11/22/2011 15:38:33
Oh Charlie....
Charlie , charlie, charlie.
Charlie , charlie, charlie.
Comment by Raine on 11/22/2011 15:39:07
Alton Brown isn;t the boss of me... 
Raine on 11/22/2011 15:39:07
Quote by Mondobubba:
Alton Brown killed the blog?
Comment by wickedpam on 11/22/2011 15:40:41
yeah.
wickedpam on 11/22/2011 15:40:41
Quote by Raine:Alton Brown isn;t the boss of me...Quote by Mondobubba:
Alton Brown killed the blog?
yeah.
Comment by Raine on 11/22/2011 15:42:06
Raine on 11/22/2011 15:42:06
There is nothing I can do that is going to be as good as this:
Comment by TriSec on 11/22/2011 15:44:50
TriSec on 11/22/2011 15:44:50
Has spray man made it into the Shanghai Baby photo from pre-WWII Manchuria yet?
Comment by TriSec on 11/22/2011 15:46:07
No more so then when Uncle Sam himself rolled out the B-2 back in '88.
TriSec on 11/22/2011 15:46:07
Quote by Mondobubba:
Question for you all. Is it in bad taste for Stephen King's publisher to realease King's new novel on the Kennedy assassination today?
No more so then when Uncle Sam himself rolled out the B-2 back in '88.
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/22/2011 15:51:26
That is an orange, sir
Mondobubba on 11/22/2011 15:51:26
Quote by TriSec:Quote by Mondobubba:
Question for you all. Is it in bad taste for Stephen King's publisher to realease King's new novel on the Kennedy assassination today?
No more so then when Uncle Sam himself rolled out the B-2 back in '88.
That is an orange, sir
Comment by Raine on 11/22/2011 15:53:41
I'm sure it has.
Raine on 11/22/2011 15:53:41
Quote by TriSec:
Has spray man made it into the Shanghai Baby photo from pre-WWII Manchuria yet?
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/22/2011 15:55:08
Bow down before your food-nerd GOD!
Mondobubba on 11/22/2011 15:55:08
Quote by Raine:Alton Brown isn;t the boss of me...Quote by Mondobubba:
Alton Brown killed the blog?
Bow down before your food-nerd GOD!
Comment by Raine on 11/22/2011 15:57:12
I used to buy the pillsbury pre rolled crusts.
They fine -- even good. I am not disagreeing with Alton, but I have a new pastry god now.
BOB.
Raine on 11/22/2011 15:57:12
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:Alton Brown isn;t the boss of me...Quote by Mondobubba:
Alton Brown killed the blog?
Bow down before your food-nerd GOD!
They fine -- even good. I am not disagreeing with Alton, but I have a new pastry god now.
BOB.
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/22/2011 16:01:38
Hey if Bob had the pastry magic, rock on!
Mondobubba on 11/22/2011 16:01:38
Quote by Raine:I used to buy the pillsbury pre rolled crusts.Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:Alton Brown isn;t the boss of me...Quote by Mondobubba:
Alton Brown killed the blog?
Bow down before your food-nerd GOD!
They fine -- even good. I am not disagreeing with Alton, but I have a new pastry god now.
BOB.
Hey if Bob had the pastry magic, rock on!
Comment by TriSec on 11/22/2011 16:05:12
Harrumph.
Maybe the bigger question is, at what point in time does an event cease being 'sacred' and become 'history'? For example, I'm fully expecting Mr. Cameron to re-release "Titanic" on or about April 14th next year.
TriSec on 11/22/2011 16:05:12
Quote by Mondobubba:
That is an orange, sir
Harrumph.
Maybe the bigger question is, at what point in time does an event cease being 'sacred' and become 'history'? For example, I'm fully expecting Mr. Cameron to re-release "Titanic" on or about April 14th next year.
Comment by Raine on 11/22/2011 16:08:03
Raine on 11/22/2011 16:08:03
David Frum speaks.
And he's wondering When Did the GOP Lose Touch With Reality?
There is a lot to be snarky about, I know. I also know Frum and what he's done -- but jeepers -- I can't understand why he -- of all people -- didn;t see this train wreck coming.
Maybe the GOP should have stop this mess right in the beginning -- instead of embracing the Tea Party, they could have done something a little different.
Either way, I actually feel like it's a heartfelt piece from a republican.
And he's wondering When Did the GOP Lose Touch With Reality?
There is a lot to be snarky about, I know. I also know Frum and what he's done -- but jeepers -- I can't understand why he -- of all people -- didn;t see this train wreck coming.
Maybe the GOP should have stop this mess right in the beginning -- instead of embracing the Tea Party, they could have done something a little different.
Either way, I actually feel like it's a heartfelt piece from a republican.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 11/22/2011 16:13:48
Will in Chicago on 11/22/2011 16:13:48
Good morning, bloggers!
TriSec, I am not surprised that we have denials about burning pits, It seems to be standard operating procedure to deny responsibility.
I have some Thanksgiving shopping to do later, but I am home job hunting.
TriSec, I should be in the Boston area in early March to take the teaching test. I will let the blog know about any developments.
TriSec, I am not surprised that we have denials about burning pits, It seems to be standard operating procedure to deny responsibility.
I have some Thanksgiving shopping to do later, but I am home job hunting.
TriSec, I should be in the Boston area in early March to take the teaching test. I will let the blog know about any developments.
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/22/2011 16:16:12
My thinking on this is actually deeper that I first let on. Tuesday is the day that various media drops (as the kids would say). This being the Tuesday before Thanksgiving it would be the best day for the release of the latest book by America's Master of Modern Horror. It being the 48th aniversary of having the front of his head blown out by Lee Harvey Oswald acting alone
was just a happy accident.
Mondobubba on 11/22/2011 16:16:12
Quote by TriSec:Quote by Mondobubba:
That is an orange, sir
Harrumph.
Maybe the bigger question is, at what point in time does an event cease being 'sacred' and become 'history'? For example, I'm fully expecting Mr. Cameron to re-release "Titanic" on or about April 14th next year.
My thinking on this is actually deeper that I first let on. Tuesday is the day that various media drops (as the kids would say). This being the Tuesday before Thanksgiving it would be the best day for the release of the latest book by America's Master of Modern Horror. It being the 48th aniversary of having the front of his head blown out by Lee Harvey Oswald acting alone
was just a happy accident.
Comment by Scoopster on 11/22/2011 16:17:01
OOooh we should have a meetup!
Scoopster on 11/22/2011 16:17:01
Quote by Will in Chicago:
Good morning, bloggers!
TriSec, I am not surprised that we have denials about burning pits, It seems to be standard operating procedure to deny responsibility.
I have some Thanksgiving shopping to do later, but I am home job hunting.
TriSec, I should be in the Boston area in early March to take the teaching test. I will let the blog know about any developments.
OOooh we should have a meetup!
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/22/2011 16:17:25
It still doesn't make AB less of a diety!
Mondobubba on 11/22/2011 16:17:25
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:I used to buy the pillsbury pre rolled crusts.Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:Alton Brown isn;t the boss of me...Quote by Mondobubba:
Alton Brown killed the blog?
Bow down before your food-nerd GOD!
They fine -- even good. I am not disagreeing with Alton, but I have a new pastry god now.
BOB.
Hey if Bob had the pastry magic, rock on!
It still doesn't make AB less of a diety!
Comment by TriSec on 11/22/2011 16:17:39
TriSec on 11/22/2011 16:17:39
Come on, it's Thanksgiving. Let's not argue over where the second shooter was standing, hmm?
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/22/2011 16:21:08
You mean the one who, if was standing on the Grassy Knoll, would have had to be over 7 feet tall? Not many giant snipers out there?
Mondobubba on 11/22/2011 16:21:08
Quote by TriSec:
Come on, it's Thanksgiving. Let's not argue over where the second shooter was standing, hmm?
You mean the one who, if was standing on the Grassy Knoll, would have had to be over 7 feet tall? Not many giant snipers out there?
Comment by TriSec on 11/22/2011 16:26:01
Hmm...it's quiet at the store that time of year; I'll probably have some free weekends to work with!
TriSec on 11/22/2011 16:26:01
Quote by Scoopster:
OOooh we should have a meetup!
Hmm...it's quiet at the store that time of year; I'll probably have some free weekends to work with!
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/22/2011 16:26:16
Mondobubba on 11/22/2011 16:26:16
Any way, we all know the so-called second shooter was the Cigarette Smoking Man standing in a storm drain.
Comment by TriSec on 11/22/2011 16:29:19
I was going to go with the Secret Service agent in the lead car that stood up and accidentally sprayed the President's car with his Burp gun. Come on, it was on You Tube, it must be true!
TriSec on 11/22/2011 16:29:19
Quote by Mondobubba:
Any way, we all know the so-called second shooter was the Cigarette Smoking Man standing in a storm drain.
I was going to go with the Secret Service agent in the lead car that stood up and accidentally sprayed the President's car with his Burp gun. Come on, it was on You Tube, it must be true!
Comment by Will in Chicago on 11/22/2011 16:35:46
I'll figure out how many days that I can stay. A friend who told me about the need for teachers in Massachusetts does want to show me around as well. However, I would love a meetup.
Will in Chicago on 11/22/2011 16:35:46
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Will in Chicago:
Good morning, bloggers!
TriSec, I am not surprised that we have denials about burning pits, It seems to be standard operating procedure to deny responsibility.
I have some Thanksgiving shopping to do later, but I am home job hunting.
TriSec, I should be in the Boston area in early March to take the teaching test. I will let the blog know about any developments.
OOooh we should have a meetup!
I'll figure out how many days that I can stay. A friend who told me about the need for teachers in Massachusetts does want to show me around as well. However, I would love a meetup.
Comment by Scoopster on 11/22/2011 16:56:45
Apparently it's also ANOTHER new meme..
Scoopster on 11/22/2011 16:56:45
Quote by wickedpam:
"Its a food product" according to Fake news
Apparently it's also ANOTHER new meme..
Megyn Kelly on beanbag rounds: "It's a game of cornhole, essentially!"
promoted by yourfriendandmine
AMessageToRudy @yourfriendandmine
Megyn Kelly on brains; "It's skull space-filler, essentially."
yourfriendandmine @CountFosco
Megyn Kelly on nightsticks: "It's an olive branch, essentially!"
QueenOfTarts @yourfriendandmine
Excellent meme material..make it happen!
[redacted] @yourfriendandmine
Megyn Kelly on waterboarding: "It's a water park ride essentially!"
promoted by yourfriendandmine
BeefFajitas @yourfriendandmine
Megyn Kelly on Auschwitz: "It was a three star hotel, essentially."
SidAndFinancy @yourfriendandmine
Megyn Kelly on fingernail extraction: "It's a mani-pedi, essentially!"
Sauceboy @yourfriendandmine
Megyn Kelly on genital mutilation: "It's a Brazilian wax, essentially!"
PJamma @yourfriendandmine
Megan Kelly on her haircut: "It's a style, essentially!"
yourfriendandmine @[redacted]
Megyn Kelly on vet beatings: "It's greeting liberators, essentially!"
obfuscator2 @[redacted]
I was going to say:
Megyn Kelly on waterboarding: "It's a Neti Pot, essentially!"
promoted by Rozelle’s Bagman
jayareff @yourfriendandmine
Megyn Kelly on being laid off when your wife is pregnant: "It's European style family leave, essentially."
promoted by Rozelle’s Bagman
Rozelle’s Bagman @yourfriendandmine
Megyn Kelly on zip-tie handcuffs: "It's a Livestrong bracelet, essentially."
Edited by Rozelle’s Bagman at 11/21/11 11:49 PM
Munchma Quchi @yourfriendandmine
Megyn Kelly on Jerry Sandusky: "He was having sex, essentially".
treefingersss @yourfriendandmine
Megyn Kelly on HIV: "It's a common cold, essentially!"
BeefFajitas @yourfriendandmine
Megyn Kelly on the 9/11 hijackings: "They were like that Steve Miller Band Jet Airliner song, essentially."
Comment by Raine on 11/22/2011 16:57:48
Raine on 11/22/2011 16:57:48
Oh I think you are going to like what I am getting ready to post.... 
Comment by Raine on 11/22/2011 16:59:01
Raine on 11/22/2011 16:59:01
Comment by Scoopster on 11/22/2011 16:59:40
Scoopster on 11/22/2011 16:59:40
This one's AWESOME..
Comment by wickedpam on 11/22/2011 17:13:37
not Santa!
wickedpam on 11/22/2011 17:13:37
Quote by Raine:
not Santa!
Comment by Scoopster on 11/22/2011 17:17:38
Nooooooooooo...!
Scoopster on 11/22/2011 17:17:38
Quote by Raine:
Nooooooooooo...!
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/22/2011 17:25:10
Mondobubba on 11/22/2011 17:25:10
Quote by Scoopster:
This one's AWESOME..
Comment by wickedpam on 11/22/2011 17:29:31
is this a boy thing?
I know its not funny if you have to explain it
wickedpam on 11/22/2011 17:29:31
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Scoopster:
This one's AWESOME..
is this a boy thing?
I know its not funny if you have to explain it
Comment by Raine on 11/22/2011 17:32:47
I highly recommend you watch 'The Hangover'
Funny as hell.
Raine on 11/22/2011 17:32:47
Quote by wickedpam:
is this a boy thing?
I know its not funny if you have to explain it
Funny as hell.
Comment by Raine on 11/22/2011 17:33:27
Raine on 11/22/2011 17:33:27
So where can I email my meme contribution?
Comment by wickedpam on 11/22/2011 17:35:27
I'll but it in my netflix que
wickedpam on 11/22/2011 17:35:27
Quote by Raine:I highly recommend you watch 'The Hangover'Quote by wickedpam:
is this a boy thing?
I know its not funny if you have to explain it
Funny as hell.
I'll but it in my netflix que
Comment by Raine on 11/22/2011 17:38:21
I think you will like a little lol asshattery.
Raine on 11/22/2011 17:38:21
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:I highly recommend you watch 'The Hangover'Quote by wickedpam:
is this a boy thing?
I know its not funny if you have to explain it
Funny as hell.
I'll but it in my netflix que
Comment by 
livingonli on 11/22/2011 17:41:12
livingonli on 11/22/2011 17:41:12
Good day everyone. I actually got some sleep tonight but my nose is still a bit cloggy. Megyn Kelly's tweets if accurate, really shows how righties really need to learn about walking a mile in another man's shoes. Well, hopefully, it wouldn't take her getting pepper-sprayed or beaten by the cops to make her more compassionate the way pregnancy affected her views on maternity leave.
Comment by Raine on 11/22/2011 17:43:23
Raine on 11/22/2011 17:43:23
This crap does piss me off.
But this irony doesn't stop there. The very same Glenn Greenwald who is accusing the SEIU of trying to use OWS' language (heaven forbid!) for their own purposes (which, as a union, just happens to be supporting working people), penned another column earlier last week trying to sell (and promote) winter gear for the OWS protesters being disbursed by the notorious Firedoglake. But of course, Greenwald fails to mention that he stands to financially gain from donations to FDL, as the treasurer of FDL's PAC, Accountability Now, and his company, DMDM Enterprises, is used to taking money for "administrative expenses" from Accountability Now.
An examination of FEC reports shows that Greenwald's DMDM Enterprises received more than $40,000 from FDL's Accountability Now from 2008-2010, and of course, we have no idea how much more he has received as salary as Treasurer. (For those interested, yes, I have been working on a story on this with some help, and it keeps getting pushed back for different reasons - but expect a campaign finance story on Greenwald, Hamsher et al. to drop soon).
Comment by Raine on 11/22/2011 17:49:20
Remember the outrage over the "professional left" (I wrote a blog about it right here) comment from Axelrod?
Raine on 11/22/2011 17:49:20
Quote by Raine:
This crap does piss me off.But this irony doesn't stop there. The very same Glenn Greenwald who is accusing the SEIU of trying to use OWS' language (heaven forbid!) for their own purposes (which, as a union, just happens to be supporting working people), penned another column earlier last week trying to sell (and promote) winter gear for the OWS protesters being disbursed by the notorious Firedoglake. But of course, Greenwald fails to mention that he stands to financially gain from donations to FDL, as the treasurer of FDL's PAC, Accountability Now, and his company, DMDM Enterprises, is used to taking money for "administrative expenses" from Accountability Now.
An examination of FEC reports shows that Greenwald's DMDM Enterprises received more than $40,000 from FDL's Accountability Now from 2008-2010, and of course, we have no idea how much more he has received as salary as Treasurer. (For those interested, yes, I have been working on a story on this with some help, and it keeps getting pushed back for different reasons - but expect a campaign finance story on Greenwald, Hamsher et al. to drop soon).
Comment by Raine on 11/22/2011 17:50:26
I don't follow her on twitter, so I am not sure what you mean.
Raine on 11/22/2011 17:50:26
Quote by livingonli:
Good day everyone. I actually got some sleep tonight but my nose is still a bit cloggy. Megyn Kelly's tweets if accurate, really shows how righties really need to learn about walking a mile in another man's shoes. Well, hopefully, it wouldn't take her getting pepper-sprayed or beaten by the cops to make her more compassionate the way pregnancy affected her views on maternity leave.
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/22/2011 17:55:13
Mondobubba on 11/22/2011 17:55:13
Hey asshats, it is two days before Thanksgiving. When you speak with me, keep civil tongue in you emeffing heads! Jesus Christ on toastpoints what is wrong with people?
Comment by Raine on 11/22/2011 17:55:31
Raine on 11/22/2011 17:55:31
Ok, seriously, NEWT of all people, has to know better.
Newt Gingrich: Congressional Budget Office Is 'A Reactionary Socialist Institution'
Seriously, come on. Newt HAS to know better.
Newt Gingrich: Congressional Budget Office Is 'A Reactionary Socialist Institution'
Seriously, come on. Newt HAS to know better.
Comment by TriSec on 11/22/2011 17:57:16
Oh, lordy. At least you have a phone barrier; I have to deal with them face-to-face on the sales floor.
TriSec on 11/22/2011 17:57:16
Quote by Mondobubba:
Hey asshats, it is two days before Thanksgiving. When you speak with me, keep civil tongue in you emeffing heads! Jesus Christ on toastpoints what is wrong with people?
Oh, lordy. At least you have a phone barrier; I have to deal with them face-to-face on the sales floor.
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/22/2011 17:59:12
My thought bubble is terrible, dark place full Boschian imagary.
Mondobubba on 11/22/2011 17:59:12
Quote by TriSec:Quote by Mondobubba:
Hey asshats, it is two days before Thanksgiving. When you speak with me, keep civil tongue in you emeffing heads! Jesus Christ on toastpoints what is wrong with people?
Oh, lordy. At least you have a phone barrier; I have to deal with them face-to-face on the sales floor.
My thought bubble is terrible, dark place full Boschian imagary.
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/22/2011 18:00:40
Newt, you can't be "socialist" and "reactionary." Those are political polar opposites. You know this, right?
Mondobubba on 11/22/2011 18:00:40
Quote by Raine:
Ok, seriously, NEWT of all people, has to know better.
Newt Gingrich: Congressional Budget Office Is 'A Reactionary Socialist Institution'
Seriously, come on. Newt HAS to know better.
Newt, you can't be "socialist" and "reactionary." Those are political polar opposites. You know this, right?
Comment by TriSec on 11/22/2011 18:06:18
TriSec on 11/22/2011 18:06:18
They have gone so far around the spectrum, they've run into commies on the way back.
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/22/2011 18:11:20
Tri, I am sure you have thought about taking say a canoe paddle to someone's head? Or perhaps beating them senseless with a Maine Guide Shoe?
Mondobubba on 11/22/2011 18:11:20
Quote by TriSec:Quote by Mondobubba:
Hey asshats, it is two days before Thanksgiving. When you speak with me, keep civil tongue in you emeffing heads! Jesus Christ on toastpoints what is wrong with people?
Oh, lordy. At least you have a phone barrier; I have to deal with them face-to-face on the sales floor.
Tri, I am sure you have thought about taking say a canoe paddle to someone's head? Or perhaps beating them senseless with a Maine Guide Shoe?
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/22/2011 18:12:23
Mondobubba on 11/22/2011 18:12:23
Oh thanks Alternet! You didn't say spoiler alert in your article about the new "Twilight" movie. You have ruined it for me! Ruined it by telling me far more than I wanted to know.
Comment by livingonli on 11/22/2011 18:13:12
I guess you never saw the Daily Show bit showing her defending maternity leave and noting how Europe has much more generous maternity leave policies than the United States when some other rightie attacked her for supporting maternity leave because of her own pregnancy. It does seem to show the point of how righties are incapable of empathy, and her support of maternity leave seems to come out of her own having a baby rather than seeing other's deal with being able to take care of a newborn.
livingonli on 11/22/2011 18:13:12
Quote by Raine:I don't follow her on twitter, so I am not sure what you mean.Quote by livingonli:
Good day everyone. I actually got some sleep tonight but my nose is still a bit cloggy. Megyn Kelly's tweets if accurate, really shows how righties really need to learn about walking a mile in another man's shoes. Well, hopefully, it wouldn't take her getting pepper-sprayed or beaten by the cops to make her more compassionate the way pregnancy affected her views on maternity leave.
I guess you never saw the Daily Show bit showing her defending maternity leave and noting how Europe has much more generous maternity leave policies than the United States when some other rightie attacked her for supporting maternity leave because of her own pregnancy. It does seem to show the point of how righties are incapable of empathy, and her support of maternity leave seems to come out of her own having a baby rather than seeing other's deal with being able to take care of a newborn.
Comment by wickedpam on 11/22/2011 18:17:43
wickedpam on 11/22/2011 18:17:43
Quote by Mondobubba:
Oh thanks Alternet! You didn't say spoiler alert in your article about the new "Twilight" movie. You have ruined it for me! Ruined it by telling me far more than I wanted to know.
Comment by BobR on 11/22/2011 18:20:26
PLEASE tell me this is snark...
BobR on 11/22/2011 18:20:26
Quote by Mondobubba:
Oh thanks Alternet! You didn't say spoiler alert in your article about the new "Twilight" movie. You have ruined it for me! Ruined it by telling me far more than I wanted to know.
PLEASE tell me this is snark...
Comment by TriSec on 11/22/2011 18:22:02
Canoe paddle, yes. I also work in the camping department; we have knives.
It's a game...with the famed guarantee, word is "take it back and don't ask questions", although the cashiers often try to talk people out of obviously bogus returns if we dare. I don't think I could ever work the registers.
TriSec on 11/22/2011 18:22:02
Quote by Mondobubba:
Tri, I am sure you have thought about taking say a canoe paddle to someone's head? Or perhaps beating them senseless with a Maine Guide Shoe?
Canoe paddle, yes. I also work in the camping department; we have knives.
It's a game...with the famed guarantee, word is "take it back and don't ask questions", although the cashiers often try to talk people out of obviously bogus returns if we dare. I don't think I could ever work the registers.
Comment by wickedpam on 11/22/2011 18:23:51
what you guys are like Nordys and take back anything that gets brought it?
I can't stand obvious scammers
wickedpam on 11/22/2011 18:23:51
Quote by TriSec:Quote by Mondobubba:
Tri, I am sure you have thought about taking say a canoe paddle to someone's head? Or perhaps beating them senseless with a Maine Guide Shoe?
Canoe paddle, yes. I also work in the camping department; we have knives.
It's a game...with the famed guarantee, word is "take it back and don't ask questions", although the cashiers often try to talk people out of obviously bogus returns if we dare. I don't think I could ever work the registers.
what you guys are like Nordys and take back anything that gets brought it?
I can't stand obvious scammers
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/22/2011 18:33:01
Well I figured the Guide Shoe is so iconic it would be a good thing to pummel someone. "Waltham Man Snaps, Beats Customer With LL Bean Shoe" Nice ring don't you think?
Mondobubba on 11/22/2011 18:33:01
Quote by TriSec:Quote by Mondobubba:
Tri, I am sure you have thought about taking say a canoe paddle to someone's head? Or perhaps beating them senseless with a Maine Guide Shoe?
Canoe paddle, yes. I also work in the camping department; we have knives.
It's a game...with the famed guarantee, word is "take it back and don't ask questions", although the cashiers often try to talk people out of obviously bogus returns if we dare. I don't think I could ever work the registers.
Well I figured the Guide Shoe is so iconic it would be a good thing to pummel someone. "Waltham Man Snaps, Beats Customer With LL Bean Shoe" Nice ring don't you think?
Comment by TriSec on 11/22/2011 18:33:17
TriSec on 11/22/2011 18:33:17
Right from the corporate website:
Official Spiel: "It's covered by our satisfaction guarantee. If at any time, for any reason, you're no longer satisfied with the product, bring it back."
Official Spiel: "It's covered by our satisfaction guarantee. If at any time, for any reason, you're no longer satisfied with the product, bring it back."
Comment by TriSec on 11/22/2011 18:37:31
We use two terms interchangeably in-house...."Bean Boot" or the "Maine Hunting Shoe". I once told a young college-looking person looking for a decent boot to 'check out the Maine Hunting Shoe'....he replied, "Oh, I'm not into hunting, so that wouldn't work.". My mouth kept moving, but sounds stopped coming out.
TriSec on 11/22/2011 18:37:31
Quote by Mondobubba:
Well I figured the Guide Shoe is so iconic it would be a good thing to pummel someone. "Waltham Man Snaps, Beats Customer With LL Bean Shoe" Nice ring don't you think?
We use two terms interchangeably in-house...."Bean Boot" or the "Maine Hunting Shoe". I once told a young college-looking person looking for a decent boot to 'check out the Maine Hunting Shoe'....he replied, "Oh, I'm not into hunting, so that wouldn't work.". My mouth kept moving, but sounds stopped coming out.
Comment by 
trojanrabbit on 11/22/2011 18:49:56
And yes, they honor it.
trojanrabbit on 11/22/2011 18:49:56
Quote by TriSec:
Right from the corporate website:
Official Spiel: "It's covered by our satisfaction guarantee. If at any time, for any reason, you're no longer satisfied with the product, bring it back."
And yes, they honor it.
Comment by trojanrabbit on 11/22/2011 18:51:21
He's spinning so fast he's just flinging shit in all directions.
trojanrabbit on 11/22/2011 18:51:21
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
Ok, seriously, NEWT of all people, has to know better.
Newt Gingrich: Congressional Budget Office Is 'A Reactionary Socialist Institution'
Seriously, come on. Newt HAS to know better.
Newt, you can't be "socialist" and "reactionary." Those are political polar opposites. You know this, right?
He's spinning so fast he's just flinging shit in all directions.
Comment by Raine on 11/22/2011 18:57:44
Raine on 11/22/2011 18:57:44
Comment by TriSec on 11/22/2011 19:02:42
That's the one!
TriSec on 11/22/2011 19:02:42
That's the one!
Comment by Raine on 11/22/2011 19:02:50
LOL! 
Raine on 11/22/2011 19:02:50
Quote by trojanrabbit:
He's spinning so fast he's just flinging shit in all directions.
Comment by Raine on 11/22/2011 19:45:09
Raine on 11/22/2011 19:45:09
Comment by Raine on 11/22/2011 19:47:46
Raine on 11/22/2011 19:47:46
Mala, I thank you for this inspiration -- 2 down, 2 to go.
Comment by wickedpam on 11/22/2011 19:49:51
I think Rockwell hits all those American ideals and the perfect backdrop for pepperspray cop.
wickedpam on 11/22/2011 19:49:51
Quote by Raine:
Mala, I thank you for this inspiration -- 2 down, 2 to go.
I think Rockwell hits all those American ideals and the perfect backdrop for pepperspray cop.
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/22/2011 20:02:03
Mondobubba on 11/22/2011 20:02:03
Raine, you are doing the Lord's work meme-wise today! 
Comment by Raine on 11/22/2011 20:18:12
Raine on 11/22/2011 20:18:12
Comment by Scoopster on 11/22/2011 20:23:04
Scoopster on 11/22/2011 20:23:04
Yep.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 11/22/2011 20:54:19
Will in Chicago on 11/22/2011 20:54:19
I found an interesting article on Alternet, OWS: To Change the Country, We Might Have to Change Ourselves by Don Hazen. It also has a great quote from Eve Ensler, activist and author of the Vagina Monologues.
Somehow, I think that this line of thought is almost utterly alien to Bill O'Reilly and Megyn Kelly.
Eve Ensler has a way of artfully articulating the elements of key moments. She writes:
"If we are not afraid, if we open ourselves, we all know everything has to change. We need places to announce and actualize this change. Places are crucial. The ingredients involve stepping out of your comfort zone, giving up more than your share, telling your story and listening to others, not thinking in an obvious linear way, trusting the collective imagination to be more empowered and visionary than your own, refusing to participate in the violent destruction of anything. That includes taking anything that isn't yours, taking more than you need, and believing you have a right to dismiss or ignore or belittle anyone with less power or money or education. Believers...will be beaten with batons and pepper sprayed and dragged off. But no one can evict or silence what is emerging in Zuccotti Park."
Somehow, I think that this line of thought is almost utterly alien to Bill O'Reilly and Megyn Kelly.
Comment by Raine on 11/22/2011 21:16:45
Raine on 11/22/2011 21:16:45